Transcript – June 9, 2016: Desirable Difficulties

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8:31 PM lrnchat Please introduce yourselves. Passions? Projects? What are you working on these days? #lrnchat
8:31 PM ziolablu It’s a long week, but happy to check into learn chat again! I ❤️ Dr. Bjork’s work. #lrnchat
8:31 PM nsulla Dr. Nancy Sulla joining #lrnchat – author: It’s Not What You Teach But How; Students Taking Charge. Creator of #LATIC. Pres of @IDECorp
8:32 PM kelly_smith01 Reading researching and saving the world #lrnchat
8:33 PM jyoti__gupta Hello #lrnchat I’m on time for once
8:33 PM SimonBlairTrain @kelly_smith01 That’s a pretty full dance card. 🙂 #lrnchat
8:33 PM Quinnovator time for the 60 min memestream mayhem that is #lrnchat; filter the hashtag or, better yet, join!
8:33 PM doctorwhy @lrnchat I’m at @BostonLogan en route to #rEDmatsci tweeting on behalf of my passion @AceThatTest! #lrnchat
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8:34 PM kregerck Christine Kreger, librarian and trainer from Denver. #lrnchat
8:34 PM write2tg TG, Learning and Performance Consultant from Vancouver BC joining a chat that’s 60 minutes of fun mixed with lots of learning! #lrnchat
8:34 PM lrnchat Q0) We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
8:34 PM ChadSLowry Chad Lowry, Client Education Manager, Chicago. Hello to all at FocusOn Learning! #lrnchat
8:34 PM Quinnovator and having company, @tomspiglanin joining me for drinks, dinner, & #lrnchat here at #FocusOnLearn
8:34 PM DrJessupS Stephanie an e-learning manager in Wisconsin. #lrnchat
8:34 PM kelly_smith01 Where is everybody? Summer school? Those Tweets won’t Tweet themselves #lrnchat
8:35 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q0) We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
8:35 PM Joseph_Suarez Joe Suarez eLearning dev from Columbus, OH just got done with our #focusonlearn Demofest table #lrnchat
8:35 PM SimonBlairTrain A0: I learned that the potato plants in my compost pile are doing much better than the ones in my garden. #lrnchat
8:35 PM margiemeacham #lrnchat Hi everyone! Trying to keep cool in Phoenix.
8:35 PM lrnchat Any first-time #lrnchatters tonight? FocusOnLearn folks? Please say hi. Ask for help if you need it. #lrnchat #FocusOnLearn
8:35 PM Quinnovator Clark Quinn, L&D Improvement crusader, learning geek, consultant/author/speaker, Walnut Creek CA (currently in Austin TX) #lrnchat
8:35 PM tomspiglanin Hello all ,Tom Spiglanin joining from Austin, TX late to the party. How y’all doin? #lrnchat
8:35 PM JD_Dillon Howdy #lrnchat! Checking in from #FocusOnLearn … Currently on a food run …
8:35 PM ChadSLowry A0) I’m not really cut out for six hours of gardening/landscaping work on the weekend. #lrnchat
8:35 PM doctorwhy @lrnchat this article I just wrote for @tesusa came out today and discusses desirable difficulties! #lrnchat https://t.co/TXGR2PZlkZ
8:35 PM SimonBlairTrain @Quinnovator @tomspiglanin @JD_Dillon is around there somewhere too. #lrnchat #FocusOnLearn
8:36 PM ShiftParadigm Read this true story —> MY WAILING WALL – The Sacred Places Series https://t.co/PLoO9zCbTX #lrnchat
8:36 PM margiemeacham #lrnchat Q1 Learned that we don’t read by recognizing letters – we see each word as an image in the brain.
8:36 PM JD_Dillon @Joseph_Suarez had to go out but I think @Quinnovator and @tomspiglanin are around and #lrnchat-ing
8:36 PM AceThatTest RT @lrnchat: Our chats focus on how people learn. #lrnchat
8:36 PM AceThatTest RT @doctorwhy: @lrnchat I’m at @BostonLogan en route to #rEDmatsci tweeting on behalf of my passion @AceThatTest! #lrnchat
8:36 PM ziolablu A0) I learned not everyone is open to the “sharing economy” 😉 #lrnchat
8:37 PM SimonBlairTrain Show me the person who is! #lrnchat https://t.co/JsgQ5gRJ9G
8:37 PM tomspiglanin Indeed, at the Corner RT @JD_Dillon @Joseph_Suarez had to go out but I think @Quinnovator and @tomspiglanin are around and #lrnchat-ing
8:37 PM kelly_smith01 Kelly Smith, Freelancer working in many place – the world is my stage #lrnchat
8:37 PM RioPDX Hello, this is Rio; Learning Consultant from Portland, OR Good to be back #lrnchat
8:37 PM ChadSLowry @SimonBlairTrain I should’ve gone to Lowes, just on the chance I would run into the Yard Crashers crew. #lrnchat
8:37 PM Joseph_Suarez @tomspiglanin @JD_Dillon @Quinnovator Thanks. I’m going to drag my colleague in who has no idea what #lrnchat is 🙂
8:38 PM AceThatTest RT @doctorwhy: @lrnchat this article I just wrote for @tesusa came out today and discusses desirable difficulties! #lrnchat https://t.co/TX…
8:38 PM kregerck Reading about grit for a conference session on confidence I am preparing. #lrnchat https://t.co/J5O81vMoHi
8:38 PM Minimologist I’m a professional organizer from Allentown, PA. Always looking to find new ways to teach classic concepts to clients. #LRNchat
8:38 PM write2tg A0) Learned that the longest beaver dam was about 850 m built by an eager beaver in Northern Alberta. #deliberatepractice ? #lrnchat
8:38 PM jyoti__gupta a0) I’m learned that I have a very toxic but beautiful plant growing in my backyard – American pokeweed. #lrnchat
8:38 PM The_NthDegree Yellow @lrnchat ‘ers, hope everyone is well… good news is it’s Friday here down under… #lrnchat
8:38 PM JD_Dillon @Joseph_Suarez @tomspiglanin @Quinnovator Rock on! #lrnchat
8:39 PM tomspiglanin @Joseph_Suarez @JD_Dillon @Quinnovator We’re tweeting from the bar, not a lot of room but def fun #lrnchat
8:39 PM RioPDX A1) I learned about the strategic considerations for implementing Augmented Reality development. #orstoryboard #lrnchat
8:39 PM ChadSLowry @tomspiglanin @Joseph_Suarez @JD_Dillon @Quinnovator Is the beer cold? #lrnchat
8:40 PM lrnchat Q1) Can we make learning to easy for ourselves and others? #lrnchat
8:40 PM write2tg Nigel @The_NthDegree Ah that’s where Friday is…I have been looking for it since Monday! #lrnchat
8:40 PM ChadSLowry A1) You mean “too easy,” right? #lrnchat
8:40 PM JeremyDBond Hi, #lrnchat. Jeremy from CT.
A0) Learned more about what my kids have been learning all year. Tomorrow is the last day of school.
8:40 PM Quinnovator @ChadSLowry @tomspiglanin @Joseph_Suarez @JD_Dillon this isn’t the UK, mate! 🙂 Great selection; long racks of local brews on tap #lrnchat
8:40 PM write2tg *too easy? RT @lrnchat Q1) Can we make learning to easy for ourselves and others? #lrnchat
8:41 PM The_NthDegree A1 You can make training or teaching too easy… learning you can’t really make at all let’s be honest… #lrnchat
8:41 PM SimonBlairTrain @JeremyDBond Already? Is it me, or did school finish much later when we were kids? 🙂 #lrnchat
8:41 PM JeremyDBond @kregerck what have you learned new about grit? #lrnchat
8:41 PM tomspiglanin A1) We can totally make learning easier for ourselves. Practice learning out loud. Just do it. You can’t help but learn. #lrnchat
8:41 PM ChadSLowry A1) We can fail to push people to the point where they’re really developing themselves, & instead merely rehearsing known behavior #lrnchat
8:41 PM ziolablu A1) There is no 1 answer – it depends on the purpose for learning. #lrnchat
8:41 PM DrJessupS A1) Yes, we think if it’s easy we’ll have an easier time remembering it which isn’t true. #lrnchat
8:41 PM kelly_smith01 @tomspiglanin @Joseph_Suarez @JD_Dillon @Quinnovator Tweeting from a Starbucks – on my second tea – Watch out #lrnchat
8:42 PM AceThatTest RT @write2tg: *too easy? RT @lrnchat Q1) Can we make learning to easy for ourselves and others? #lrnchat
8:42 PM Quinnovator a1) if not sufficient challenge, it really isn’t learning (learning can and should be ‘hard fun’ 🙂 #lrnchat https://t.co/HbqmBhDdM5
8:42 PM write2tg A1) Well if we make ‘training too easy’, there ain’t no learning happening there! #lrnchat
8:42 PM Quinnovator @ChadSLowry now now, we all *knew* what they meant 😉 #lrnchat
8:42 PM tomspiglanin A1) Make learning easy for others? Sure, make it fun, lighthearted. Fail yourself and laugh it off. Works magic #lrnchat
8:42 PM JD_Dillon A1) We often make the process too easy – thereby limiting real learning in favor of getting it over with #lrnchat https://t.co/5pSuKpvMlT
8:42 PM doctorwhy A1) I wrote that when learning is too easy, that’s a red flag https://t.co/k8cwsn7RRy @tesusa #lrnchat
8:43 PM Quinnovator @kelly_smith01 @tomspiglanin @Joseph_Suarez @JD_Dillon stand back, the man’s on caffeine, *anything* could happen! #lrnchat
8:43 PM margiemeacham Q1 #lrnchat I think all learning is by nature hard. We can make it easier by designing #education the way the #brain wants to #learn.
8:43 PM The_NthDegree A1 Teaching and learning are interconnected things that are often not the same. If teaching is too easy, often learning doesn’t hpn #lrnchat
8:43 PM SimonBlairTrain A1: I guess it depends on how you define “easy”. Watching 12 PPTs is less work than putting a fork in the socket, but takes longer. #lrnchat
8:43 PM JeremyDBond @SimonBlairTrain I never got out this early! The calendar seemed early this year, overcompensating for snow days they didn’t get. #lrnchat
8:43 PM JD_Dillon A1) If it’s difficult, people may not finish as quickly as we need them to … 😫😫😫 #lrnchat
8:44 PM margiemeacham I agree. If it is “too easy” to pass a test, for example, how much #learning actually took place? #lrnchat https://t.co/95Uvg71DNT
8:44 PM EdGameTec RT @margiemeacham: Q1 #lrnchat I think all learning is by nature hard. We can make it easier by designing #education the way the #brain wan…
8:44 PM ziolablu A1) “There’s definitely a “sweet spot” for learner confidence.” says an unapologetic quitter. #lrnchat
8:44 PM Minimologist @lrnchat A1: Well, I know we can make it hard! Certainly seems the converse would also be true. #LRNchat
8:44 PM Quinnovator a1) yerkes-dodson law (and Czikzentmihalyi & Vygotsky): performance (and learning) is better with a bit of challenge #Lrnchat
8:44 PM AceThatTest RT @margiemeacham: I agree. If it is “too easy” to pass a test, for example, how much #learning actually took place? #lrnchat https://t.co/…
8:44 PM tomspiglanin A1) Motivated people find a way to learn. How do people lose that motivation? Maybe we should look into that. #lrnchat
8:44 PM margiemeacham @JD_Dillon #lrnchat I think sometimes we are pressured to do the expedient instead of what we know is most effective.
8:45 PM JD_Dillon Did you spell that from memory? #lrnchat https://t.co/3dTJJSKekG
8:45 PM SimonBlairTrain @JD_Dillon And we won’t be able to check off the box as quickly. *gasp* 🙂 #lrnchat
8:45 PM write2tg A1) No matter how long it takes, learning should be challenging. Sometimes 3 minutes of struggle is a lesson worth a lifetime #lrnchat
8:45 PM ChadSLowry @tomspiglanin Not enough whip-cracking, obviously. #lrnchat
8:45 PM Quinnovator a1) too easy = boring, too hard = frustration: want the middle ground: *right* amount of challenge #lrnchat
8:45 PM kregerck RT @Quinnovator: a1) yerkes-dodson law (and Czikzentmihalyi & Vygotsky): performance (and learning) is better with a bit of challenge #Lrnc…
8:45 PM kelly_smith01 RT @JD_Dillon: Did you spell that from memory? #lrnchat https://t.co/3dTJJSKekG
8:45 PM Quinnovator RT @write2tg: A1) No matter how long it takes, learning should be challenging. Sometimes 3 minutes of struggle is a lesson worth a lifetime…
8:45 PM The_NthDegree A1 So learning is a bit of a trap but ‘easy’ is too. What u might call easy I might mean straight-forward with time, may not b same #lrnchat
8:45 PM Tinasoto524Soto #lrnchat I am new, trying to keep up!
8:45 PM kregerck RT @The_NthDegree: A1 Teaching and learning are interconnected things that are often not the same. If teaching is too easy, often learning…
8:45 PM Quinnovator @JD_Dillon actually, yes. #academic #pedant #lrnchat
8:45 PM tomspiglanin Chad … heh RT @ChadSLowry @tomspiglanin Not enough whip-cracking, obviously. #lrnchat
8:46 PM ChadSLowry @Tinasoto524Soto Welcome! Glad you’re here. #lrnchat
8:46 PM kregerck RT @tomspiglanin: A1) Make learning easy for others? Sure, make it fun, lighthearted. Fail yourself and laugh it off. Works magic #lrnchat
8:46 PM Quinnovator @JD_Dillon and I think I misspelled Czikszentmihalyi (I blame autocorrect) #Lrnchat
8:46 PM Tinasoto524Soto I am new and trying to keep up! #lrnchat
8:46 PM ziolablu A1) Maybe we can make performance easy; job aids provide cueing. Is there anything wrong with that? #lrnchat
8:46 PM The_NthDegree Easy peasy lemon squeezy – or maybe that’s just me being silly, everything is easy when u can do it 😉 #lrnchat
8:46 PM SimonBlairTrain Yes! Plaudits for the people who learn DESPITE the obstacles. #lrnchat https://t.co/O7I9xFcjRl
8:47 PM PatriceKiraly RT @Quinnovator: a1) if not sufficient challenge, it really isn’t learning (learning can and should be ‘hard fun’ 🙂 #lrnchat https://t.co/…
8:47 PM lrnchat Q2) What does desirable difficulty (applied to enhancing learning) mean to you? #lrnchat
8:47 PM The_NthDegree Nope – good answr RT @ziolablu: A1) Maybe we can make performance easy; job aids provide cueing. Is there anything wrong with that? #lrnchat
8:47 PM kregerck RT @margiemeacham: @JD_Dillon #lrnchat I think sometimes we are pressured to do the expedient instead of what we know is most effective.
8:47 PM The_NthDegree A2 Challenging #lrnchat
8:48 PM tomspiglanin RT @lrnchat: Q2) What does desirable difficulty (applied to enhancing learning) mean to you? #lrnchat
8:48 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q2) What does desirable difficulty (applied to enhancing learning) mean to you? #lrnchat
8:48 PM nsulla A1 #lrnchat Making lrning easy: cognitive progression; #executivefunction; ensure #grappling; ensure mastery, purpose, autonomy @DanielPink
8:48 PM write2tg A1) But we shouldn’t design learning to be anymore difficult than how work really happens. Keeping it real is the key #lrnchat
8:48 PM ziolablu A2) It means challenging what you think you know. #lrnchat
8:48 PM Tinasoto524Soto Too easy? Not if it is interesting! #A1 #lrnchat
8:48 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q2) What does desirable difficulty (applied to enhancing learning) mean to you? #lrnchat
8:48 PM JD_Dillon A2) Realistically challenging … As in real-world application challenging #lrnchat https://t.co/kyBaSnL84T
8:48 PM DrJessupS A2) All the correct test answers aren’t obvious. #lrnchat
8:48 PM margiemeacham A2) #lrnchat I think Clark already answered this one for me. https://t.co/A13sjcupkl
8:48 PM MrKMaston @lrnchat A0) Synthwave, and learning more things about myself as I take the time to reflect and doodle my thoughts, feelings #lrnchat
8:48 PM nsulla A0 Today I learned what the “illusion of knowing” is (Dr. Bjork) … powerful article. https://t.co/WKQkj8JSPo #lrnchat
8:49 PM kregerck RT @ziolablu: A1) Maybe we can make performance easy; job aids provide cueing. Is there anything wrong with that? #lrnchat
8:49 PM JeremyDBond A1) #Learning that’s “too easy” isn’t learning at all. #lrnchat
8:49 PM ChadSLowry A2) Desirable difficulty is something that’s just out of reach, but within my grasp with a reasonable effort. #lrnchat
8:49 PM ziolablu #lrnchat https://t.co/rQZcmQ9gGa
8:49 PM eLearninCyclops Q2) Switching things up, opportunities to make mistakes but ones that help u learn #lrnchat
8:49 PM Quinnovator a2) means pitched in zone where it’s not within their grasp, but not beyond it, the learning zone #Lrnchat https://t.co/2S79Dweq0Q
8:50 PM write2tg A2) Desirable difficulty = stretch goal > It is possible but won’t come easy. #lrnchat
8:50 PM audioswhite A1 hmm – info packed slides, Tasty videos, etc. can be easy, but not really learning. If learning is really the goal – then – yes. #lrnchat
8:50 PM SimonBlairTrain A2: Making it challenging enough to be meaningful and (hopefully) meaningful enough to be memorable. #lrnchat
8:50 PM tomspiglanin A2) Something challenging that’s overcome leads to learning; spaced over time makes it stick.
#lrnchat
8:50 PM DrJessupS A2) It’s okay to not pass the test on the first attempt. #lrnchat
8:50 PM ChadSLowry Dang it, now I’m being followed by a gardening videos account. #lrnchat
8:50 PM Minimologist @lrnchat A2: Challenging enough to keep the synapses firing. Admittedly a difficult spot to find with a group, much easier 1:1. #LRNchat
8:51 PM focus2achieve Oskar from Minneapolis jumping in late, STEM T #lrnchat
8:51 PM AceThatTest RT @ziolablu: #lrnchat https://t.co/rQZcmQ9gGa
8:51 PM eLearninCyclops RT @write2tg A2) Desirable difficulty = stretch goal > It is possible but won’t come easy. #lrnchat
8:51 PM JeremyDBond A2) That magic spot between the lightbulb going off and throwing things. Challenging, but not impossible. #lrnchat https://t.co/tb2gh50nnI
8:51 PM Minimologist @audioswhite Good observation. Sometimes the underlying goal is entertainment, not learning. #LRNchat
8:51 PM write2tg A2) The only time I ‘desire’ difficulty is when I know the rewards will be worth it. So, I must make the learning count #lrnchat
8:51 PM ziolablu A2) Pushing learners to rise to the challenge. #lrnchat
8:51 PM write2tg RT @ziolablu: A2) Pushing learners to rise to the challenge. #lrnchat
8:51 PM eLearninCyclops RT @DrJessupS A2) It’s okay to not pass the test on the first attempt. #lrnchat
8:52 PM SimonBlairTrain @Quinnovator “The Learning Zone”, wasn’t that a Rod Sterling show? #lrnchat
8:52 PM focus2achieve A2 When learners struggle their brain s make stronger neural connections #lrnchat
8:52 PM kelly_smith01 Q2) Desirable difficulty challenges a learner to apply something learned in unanticipated context #lrnchat
8:52 PM write2tg RT @eLearninCyclops: RT @write2tg A2) Desirable difficulty = stretch goal > It is possible but won’t come easy. #lrnchat
8:52 PM jvrbntz RT @ziolablu: #lrnchat https://t.co/rQZcmQ9gGa
8:52 PM kregerck RT @write2tg: A1) But we shouldn’t design learning to be anymore difficult than how work really happens. Keeping it real is the key #lrnchat
8:52 PM jyoti__gupta #lrnchat – Yes. I think a lot of behavorial training is too easy and it fails.
8:52 PM doctorwhy @The_NthDegree @ziolablu easy performance will result in quick forgetting @EdScientists #lrnchat
8:52 PM Minimologist @JeremyDBond I was hoping someone would find a memorable way to express this concept! #LRNchat
8:52 PM AceThatTest RT @lrnchat: Q2) What does desirable difficulty (applied to enhancing learning) mean to you? #lrnchat
8:53 PM ziolablu Technology makes this so much easier if you can wrangle it. #lrnchat https://t.co/SII1XC0YFt
8:53 PM SimonBlairTrain @ChadSLowry LOL. I love it when that happens. I mentioned insurance once and 5 brokers and insurance companies followed me. #lrnchat
8:53 PM kregerck A2) The level of difficulty matches the real life task, and is challenging enough to grab interest. #lrnchat https://t.co/dIPzptqImG
8:53 PM JD_Dillon I still don’t get the fascination … #lrnchat https://t.co/n0EHDR9Wfg
8:53 PM eLearninCyclops A2) Give ’em a chance to figure things out themselves #lrnchat
8:53 PM ChadSLowry @SimonBlairTrain Not at all creepy, right? #lrnchat
8:54 PM Tinasoto524Soto I like @DrJessupS’ answer #lrnchat
8:54 PM The_NthDegree @doctorwhy @ziolablu @edscientists it certainly could, but things you can do well & aren’t difficult doesn’t necessarly mean u frgt #lrnchat
8:54 PM ChadSLowry RT @doctorwhy: @The_NthDegree @ziolablu easy performance will result in quick forgetting @EdScientists #lrnchat
8:54 PM lrnchat Q3)When are desirable difficulties appropriate when we learn?#lrnchat
8:54 PM SimonBlairTrain @ChadSLowry There’s probably an experiment in there. Create a new account and tweet random words, See who follows. #lrnchat
8:54 PM ziolablu I feel like this goes back to purpose. We don’t and maybe shouldn’t “remember” everything. #lrnchat https://t.co/icREgtIJKS
8:55 PM write2tg A2) Thinking out loud here…are desirable difficulties sort of like constraints that foster creativity and innovation? #lrnchat
8:55 PM nsulla A2 #lrnchat Learning is enhanced when triggered by cognitive dissonance; learning is hard. Love Bjork’s “desirable difficulty”
8:55 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q3)When are desirable difficulties appropriate when we learn?#lrnchat
8:55 PM kregerck RT @JeremyDBond: A2) That magic spot between the lightbulb going off and throwing things. Challenging, but not impossible. #lrnchat https:…
8:55 PM JD_Dillon RT @lrnchat: Q3)When are desirable difficulties appropriate when we learn?#lrnchat
8:55 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q3)When are desirable difficulties appropriate when we learn?#lrnchat
8:55 PM SimonBlairTrain @JD_Dillon Your dinner appears to be sideways. You may wish to send it back. #lrnchat
8:55 PM The_NthDegree A3 When the environment doesn’t place all it’s emphasis directly on a getting it right or ‘winning’ #lrnchat
8:56 PM Minimologist @SimonBlairTrain @ChadSLowry And then a week later they unfollow, because you’re not following back and talking up insurance. #LRNchat
8:56 PM ziolablu A3) When long-term retention is the goal. #lrnchat
8:56 PM tomspiglanin @SimonBlairTrain Meet my daughter, who has an avid following! https://t.co/ZfymE5NeH7 #lrnchat
8:56 PM ChadSLowry A3) Desirable difficulties are good when people are learning something new or something more than they’ve experienced to date. #lrnchat
8:56 PM write2tg A3) If desirable difficulties really improve our performance and make us learn better, why wouldn’t we want them all the time? #lrnchat
8:56 PM tomspiglanin RT @lrnchat: Q3)When are desirable difficulties appropriate when we learn?#lrnchat
8:56 PM margiemeacham @write2tg #lrnchat Interesting idea – maybe. You may also need to consider the level of “grit” the learner has when you construct challenge
8:57 PM kregerck RT @nsulla: A2 #lrnchat Learning is enhanced when triggered by cognitive dissonance; learning is hard. Love Bjork’s “desirable difficulty”
8:57 PM Quinnovator a3) Um, when they lead to learning? #lrnchat https://t.co/yLkoTiJWyg
8:57 PM doctorwhy @ziolablu @The_NthDegree @EdScientists aren’t we talking about learning things? That’s what memory is. #lrnchat
8:57 PM Minimologist @lrnchat A3: When the teaching includes an empathy lesson, it helps if the student experiences that emotion. #LRNchat
8:57 PM Tinasoto524Soto @SimonBlairTrain @JD_Dillon One of my favorite places to eat! #lrnchat
8:57 PM focus2achieve A3 when the learned concept/task is challenging but attainable #lrnchat
8:57 PM write2tg @margiemeacham Yes, I think ‘attitude’ is an underpinning concept for ‘desirable difficulties’ to work #lrnchat
8:58 PM The_NthDegree @doctorwhy @ziolablu @edscientists storing things & learning things related… not the same things tho’ for me #lrnchat
8:58 PM eLearninCyclops When they have to learn how they may actually experience it in the real world – Where they have to think on thier feet #lrnchat
8:58 PM tomspiglanin A3) Seems to me when people are too comfortable w/ current performance, a kick in the @ss might be in order to achieve more #lrnchat
8:58 PM kregerck A3) When changing circumstances matter. We want people to be able to think critically. #lrnchat https://t.co/dlHivhsRqa
8:58 PM ChadSLowry A3) @write2tg Because sometimes you merely want to recall or apply information, not pick it up anew. #lrnchat
8:58 PM DrJessupS A3) When it rewards your effort versus telling you how smart or not smart you are. #lrnchat
8:59 PM kregerck RT @The_NthDegree: A3 When the environment doesn’t place all it’s emphasis directly on a getting it right or ‘winning’ #lrnchat
8:59 PM SimonBlairTrain @Minimologist @ChadSLowry Although they’re not as funny/sad as all the “social media experts” who follow me for no reason. #lrnchat
8:59 PM doctorwhy @The_NthDegree @ziolablu @EdScientists can you elaborate on that? Storage is absolutely necessary for retrieval of learned info #lrnchat
8:59 PM nsulla A2 #lrnchat “Flow” by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi – keep the challenge just above ability level:
https://t.co/h5MjUOkxV9
8:59 PM JeremyDBond A3) When we have space and time to learn. Not a pressurized environment to finish and get it “right.” #lrnchat https://t.co/AuUITpFBrp
9:00 PM margiemeacham A3) #lrnchat Desirable difficulty is always appropriate – to ensure that the learner pays enough attention to form neural pathways
9:00 PM write2tg . @ChadSLowry Yes, perhaps not required for recall (is that learning?) but definitely to apply – perhaps in new contexts? #lrnchat
9:00 PM kregerck RT @DrJessupS: A3) When it rewards your effort versus telling you how smart or not smart you are. #lrnchat
9:00 PM write2tg RT @margiemeacham: A3) #lrnchat Desirable difficulty is always appropriate – to ensure that the learner pays enough attention to form neura…
9:00 PM eLearninCyclops MT @margiemeacham A3) #lrnchat Desirable difficulty is always appropriate – ensure the learner pays enough attention to form neural pathways
9:00 PM focus2achieve @Minimologist @lrnchat we form stronger neural pathways when learning is coupled w/emotions #lrnchat
9:01 PM ChadSLowry @write2tg Yes, mostly. I’m not seeking desirable difficulty when driving in a new city, for instance. Just get me there. #lrnchat
9:01 PM RioPDX A3)When the topic is about fast critical decision making process. I.E., law enforcement determining what level of force to use. #lrnchat
9:01 PM nsulla A3 #lrnchat Desirable difficulties are appropriate when Ss are empowered and inspired #LATIC
9:01 PM eLearninCyclops A3) To increase retention too #lrnchat
9:01 PM Tinasoto524Soto Great point @nsulla ! #lrnchat
9:02 PM lrnchat Q4) Do you incorporate desirable difficulties (challenge yourself) when you learn? #lrnchat
9:02 PM AceThatTest RT @write2tg: A3) If desirable difficulties really improve our performance and make us learn better, why wouldn’t we want them all the time…
9:02 PM Minimologist @SimonBlairTrain @ChadSLowry Is half of Twitter social media experts??? #LRNchat
9:02 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q4) Do you incorporate desirable difficulties (challenge yourself) when you learn? #lrnchat
9:02 PM write2tg @ChadSLowry Yes, no learning when driving in a new city. We just need performance support aka GPS! 🙂 #lrnchat
9:02 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q1) Can we make learning to easy for ourselves and others? #lrnchat
9:02 PM AceThatTest RT @tomspiglanin: A3) Seems to me when people are too comfortable w/ current performance, a kick in the @ss might be in order to achieve mo…
9:02 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q4) Do you incorporate desirable difficulties (challenge yourself) when you learn? #lrnchat
9:02 PM JD_Dillon RT @lrnchat: Q4) Do you incorporate desirable difficulties (challenge yourself) when you learn? #lrnchat
9:03 PM SimonBlairTrain @Minimologist @ChadSLowry Seems like it. And their “expertise” seems to be “follow a bunch of people and hope the follow back” #lrnchat
9:03 PM kelly_smith01 RT @lrnchat: Q4) Do you incorporate desirable difficulties (challenge yourself) when you learn? #lrnchat
9:03 PM Quinnovator @Minimologist @SimonBlairTrain @ChadSLowry if you’re in #lrnchat, you *are* a social media expert 😉
9:03 PM eLearninCyclops A4) Yup, sometimes just by picking a very challenging topic #lrnchat
9:03 PM RioPDX A4) Nope! LOL #lrnchat
9:03 PM focus2achieve @ChadSLowry @write2tg our brain just wants to survive those experiences as they are stressful #lrnchat
9:04 PM urbie #lrnchat A1 Depends. How open to change, growth are we? Moving from woe to hope to whoopee takes effort and a #growthmindset
9:04 PM ziolablu A4) Yes, but only if it’s important to me. Knowing and doing are very different 🙂 #lrnchat
9:04 PM kelly_smith01 Q4) When learning SQL I would attempt to write queries at a level higher level #lrnchat
9:04 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q2) What does desirable difficulty (applied to enhancing learning) mean to you? #lrnchat
9:04 PM kregerck RT @lrnchat: Q4) Do you incorporate desirable difficulties (challenge yourself) when you learn? #lrnchat
9:04 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q3)When are desirable difficulties appropriate when we learn?#lrnchat
9:04 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q4) Do you incorporate desirable difficulties (challenge yourself) when you learn? #lrnchat
9:04 PM Minimologist @lrnchat A4: Learning automatically brings the difficulties. The challenge for me and sticking with it beyond the frustration point.#LRNchat
9:04 PM doctorwhy @ziolablu @The_NthDegree @EdScientists that still requires you to use your memory. #lrnchat
9:04 PM AceThatTest Since the difficulties are “desirable”, aren’t they by definition always appropriate? #lrnchat https://t.co/43njC7mszL
9:04 PM write2tg A4 I don’t know if I consciously try to incorporate difficulties when I learn but they naturally appear from somewhere 🙂 #lrnchat
9:04 PM nsulla #lrnchat @write2tg “Cognitive Overload” – you need some downtime – if you’re overcoming difficulties & tackling content, cog load –>lrning
9:05 PM tomspiglanin RT @lrnchat: Q4) Do you incorporate desirable difficulties (challenge yourself) when you learn? #lrnchat
9:05 PM SimonBlairTrain @Quinnovator @Minimologist @ChadSLowry I’ll take the Cincinnatus plan. Anybody can be a social media expert…til they claim to be. #lrnchat
9:05 PM DrJessupS RT @Minimologist: @lrnchat A4: Learning automatically brings the difficulties. The challenge for me and sticking with it beyond the frustra…
9:05 PM ChadSLowry A4) Kind of. I try to pause to ensure I comprehend the past challenge before I move on to the next. #lrnchat
9:05 PM Quinnovator a4) When I learn things I don’t know, there’s an inherent gap, so QED a desirable difficulty #lrnchat https://t.co/hTdhtrLBnK
9:05 PM margiemeacham #lrnchat – Sounds a bit like my former love life, until I met my husband. 🙂 https://t.co/6owaiye9Vm
9:05 PM The_NthDegree @doctorwhy @ziolablu @edscientists I’m coming at same thing slightly differently I guess, less storage & retrieval, more shaping #lrnchat
9:05 PM kelly_smith01 Q4) Reading or practicing beyond the assignment #lrnchat
9:05 PM Minimologist @SimonBlairTrain @ChadSLowry Almost everyone who unfollows me is someone I’m not following. So, yes. #LRNchat
9:05 PM AceThatTest RT @lrnchat: Q4) Do you incorporate desirable difficulties (challenge yourself) when you learn? #lrnchat
9:05 PM kregerck RT @urbie: #lrnchat A1 Depends. How open to change, growth are we? Moving from woe to hope to whoopee takes effort and a #growthmindset
9:06 PM tomspiglanin A4) Sharing my evolution in making videos is a challenge. Hey, if you don’t accept criticism you don’t grow. #lrnchat
9:06 PM Quinnovator a4) have a (bad?) habit of deliberately taking on challenges that stretch my abilities; implicitly desirable if self-chosen, eh? #Lrnchat
9:06 PM eLearninCyclops A4) Back in my sax playing days, trying to play some bebop. #lrnchat
9:06 PM Minimologist @nsulla @write2tg Yes, cycle in and out of the sometimes frustrating growth spot. #LRNchat
9:07 PM ILxcPIBxgd6i4xb RT @margiemeacham: #lrnchat – Sounds a bit like my former love life, until I met my husband. 🙂 https://t.co/6owaiye9Vm
9:07 PM DrJessupS A4) Isn’t this what the corporate world calls Stretch assignments? #lrnchat
9:07 PM focus2achieve @margiemeacham @Minimologist @lrnchat I suppose long term memories form more readily when powerful emotions are present #lrnchat
9:07 PM nsulla A4 #lrnchat I am energized by desirable difficulties in learning
9:07 PM urbie #lrnchat A2 Having time (or other resources) to deal with the difficulty can enhance learning.
9:07 PM write2tg You said it Nancy! RT @nsulla A4 #lrnchat I am energized by desirable difficulties in learning
9:07 PM RioPDX Interesting responses in contrast of mine.I tend to learn on the fly; fast intake and immediate application.Can’t challenge myself. #lrnchat
9:07 PM kregerck A4) Not sue if I add difficulty to my learning, but I am trying to reach for harder challenges which means lots of new learning. #lrnchat
9:07 PM AceThatTest #lrnchat https://t.co/VfuQ0Cw2jz
9:07 PM margiemeacham #lrnchat Is this happening to you? Folks follow me who are trying to sell social media programs. They unfollow soon. https://t.co/PTEDVrOhpL
9:08 PM urbie #lrnchat A3 When there’s evidence (strong intrinsic belief — faith —) that desirable difficulty has a lasting rather than transient benefit
9:08 PM write2tg You are a challenge magnet! MT @Quinnovator a4) have a (bad?) habit of deliberately taking on challenges… #lrnchat
9:08 PM lrnchat Q5) How can the level of difficulty (too easy or to hard) impede learning? #lrnchat
9:08 PM nsulla A4 #lrnchat once had an interviewee modeling a good primary addition activity; I did it in base 2 to challenge myself 😉
9:08 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q5) How can the level of difficulty (too easy or to hard) impede learning? #lrnchat
9:08 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q5) How can the level of difficulty (too easy or to hard) impede learning? #lrnchat
9:08 PM margiemeacham #lrnchat @Riopdx – I think many folks would find your style of learning quite challenging! https://t.co/ExDl4yFBSO
9:08 PM urbie #lrnchat A4a When I can, yes, I use desirable difficulties.
9:09 PM JD_Dillon RT @lrnchat: Q5) How can the level of difficulty (too easy or to hard) impede learning? #lrnchat
9:09 PM The_NthDegree @doctorwhy something that happens in nature throughout the history of time, occurs in learning, like evolution or ideas #lrnchat
9:09 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q5) How can the level of difficulty (too easy or to hard) impede learning? #lrnchat
9:09 PM Tinasoto524Soto I find social media like twitter a little more challenging than I what I was told @SimonBlairTrain #lrnchat or is it I’m Twitter challenged
9:09 PM SimonBlairTrain A5: Too easy -> illusion of knowledge. Too hard -> frustration, shutting down, abandonment. #lrnchat
9:09 PM DrJessupS RT @SimonBlairTrain: A5: Too easy -> illusion of knowledge. Too hard -> frustration, shutting down, abandonment. #lrnchat
9:10 PM doctorwhy @The_NthDegree describe how you would study this in an experiment? #lrnchat
9:10 PM ChadSLowry A5) @Quinnovator has a great chart/graphic he’s cited/shared in the past that illustrates this concept. #lrnchat
9:10 PM ziolablu My perspective is designing learning for others. Not all things must be learned deeply; to be known. #lrnchat https://t.co/2XhTRiopCq
9:10 PM focus2achieve A4 yes? #lrnchat
9:10 PM write2tg A5) It has to be right amount of challenge based on the learner. Learning fails each time when its too hard or too easy #lrnchat
9:10 PM eLearninCyclops A5) Too ez – boring. Too hard – Frustrating. Gotta find the learning that is somewhere in between #lrnchat
9:10 PM kelly_smith01 I will take on any challenge that does not include standing next to a lava flow #lrnchat
9:10 PM urbie #lrnchat A4b Whether I do or do not depends in large part on how deep in the trenches I am. Undesirable difficulties are all around us..
9:10 PM RioPDX RT @lrnchat Q5) How can the level of difficulty (too easy or to hard) impede learning? #lrnchat
9:10 PM write2tg RT @eLearninCyclops A5) Too ez – boring. Too hard – Frustrating. Gotta find the learning that is somewhere in between #lrnchat
9:11 PM JD_Dillon RT @eLearninCyclops: A5) Too ez – boring. Too hard – Frustrating. Gotta find the learning that is somewhere in between #lrnchat
9:11 PM kidd81 Learn Addition & Subtraction https://t.co/Et5vlHquq7 #lrnchat #edchat #mlearning #elearning #ipadchat #gbl #edtech https://t.co/XHnyGiz0XB
9:11 PM PatriceKiraly RT @Quinnovator: a4) have a (bad?) habit of deliberately taking on challenges that stretch my abilities; implicitly desirable if self-chose…
9:11 PM eLearninCyclops A5) Something challenging and fun – Memorable #lrnchat
9:11 PM Tinasoto524Soto If it’s too easy may not hold interest, too hard frustration sets in. #A5 #lrnchat
9:11 PM margiemeacham A5) It’s a very personal interpretation isn’t it? Where one person gives up another may be energized. #lrnchat
9:11 PM urbie #lrnchat A5a I’ve been doing #HardTime as a broadcast & video project manager since Christmas, on a scale way greater than before..
9:11 PM kregerck A5) Too easy = phone it in. May miss things. Too hard = give up. Undesirable difficulty #lrnchat https://t.co/BHAJlx0nDO
9:11 PM SimonBlairTrain @Tinasoto524Soto The challenge, I think, is that it’s such a versatile tool. Ppls can’t tell you how to use it. Find your own ways. #lrnchat
9:12 PM ziolablu A5) Someone already mentioned Vygotsky right? #lrnchat
9:12 PM urbie #lrnchat A5b What makes it difficult (desirable difficulties haven’t helped) is each project is a lot different from the last one, and..
9:12 PM btopro RT @lrnchat: Q1) Can we make learning to easy for ourselves and others? #lrnchat
9:13 PM doctorwhy @fabzGoku @AceThatTest are inappropriate desirable difficulties R-rated? #lrnchat
9:13 PM write2tg A5) As learners we must believe that our efforts will improve performance. The right amount of challenge builds this belief #lrnchat
9:13 PM urbie #lrnchat A5c The support tools & processes aren’t consistently available or correct. It’s like with applying statistical quality controls..
9:14 PM focus2achieve A5 boredom vs frustration #lrnchat
9:14 PM write2tg A5) Use strategies that test the level of challenge that’s right for the learner. Games do that to us all the time! #lrnchat
9:14 PM eLearninCyclops RT @write2tg A5) Use strategies that test the level of challenge that’s right for the learner. Games do that to us all the time! #lrnchat
9:14 PM JeremyDBond @kregerck that’s it in a nutshell! #lrnchat
9:14 PM Tinasoto524Soto @SimonBlairTrain Haha, I actually have a twitter tutor at my side. I just can’t answer fast enough…yet! #lrnchat
9:14 PM nsulla A5 #lrnchat Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi: too easy –> boredom; too hard –> anxiety; learn from video game designers https://t.co/47ojl5XZ20
9:15 PM focus2achieve @margiemeacham that is why Ts have to differentiate #lrnchat
9:15 PM urbie #lrnchat A5d And having to deal with special as well as common causes.
9:15 PM Quinnovator RT @nsulla: A5 #lrnchat Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi: too easy –> boredom; too hard –> anxiety; learn from video game designers https://t.co/4…
9:15 PM write2tg RT @eLearninCyclops: RT @write2tg A5) Use strategies that test the level of challenge that’s right for the learner. Games do that to us all…
9:15 PM The_NthDegree A5 It can, especially the perception of difficulty… it’s finding the right balance of achievability & challenge I guess #lrnchat
9:16 PM margiemeacham #lrnchat A well-designed game has challenge at every level, so people can enjoy it from multiple perspectives https://t.co/039BdEUN9B
9:16 PM SimonBlairTrain @Tinasoto524Soto Don’t sweat it. The chat moves quickly. I skipped Q5 and miss a lot of the comments. Don’t tell the others 😉 #lrnchat
9:16 PM RioPDX I wonder if the challenge level should be proportionate to the level of difficulty when applying that knowledge. #lrnchat
9:16 PM tomspiglanin RT @lrnchat: Q5) How can the level of difficulty (too easy or to hard) impede learning? #lrnchat
9:16 PM AceThatTest RT @nsulla: A5 #lrnchat Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi: too easy –> boredom; too hard –> anxiety; learn from video game designers https://t.co/4…
9:16 PM lrnchat Q6) How can we fully engage learners while challenging them with desirable difficulties? #lrnchat
9:17 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q6) How can we fully engage learners while challenging them with desirable difficulties? #lrnchat
9:17 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q6) How can we fully engage learners while challenging them with desirable difficulties? #lrnchat
9:17 PM write2tg A6) Give opportunities to the learners to test their own challenge readiness level. They don’t know what they don’t know! #lrnchat
9:17 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q6) How can we fully engage learners while challenging them with desirable difficulties? #lrnchat
9:17 PM MrKMaston @lrnchat A5) It compromises the feeling of accomplishment. #lrnchat
9:17 PM kregerck RT @write2tg: A5) Use strategies that test the level of challenge that’s right for the learner. Games do that to us all the time! #lrnchat
9:17 PM SimonBlairTrain @RioPDX Yes, but you may have to work up to it. #lrnchat
9:17 PM focus2achieve A5 though easy learning can be used in habit formation #lrnchat
9:17 PM ChadSLowry A6) Keep the learning relevant to their work, while pushing them to think about solving a problem in a way they haven’t considered. #lrnchat
9:17 PM RioPDX @SimonBlairTrain 100% agree #lrnchat
9:18 PM tomspiglanin A5) Too easy? I could lready do it. Too hard? I might get frustrated and refuse to try again. #lrnchat
9:18 PM ziolablu A5) I use cheat codes when I play games. That says something about my willingness to engage in desirable difficulty. #lrnchat
9:18 PM kregerck RT @write2tg: A6) Give opportunities to the learners to test their own challenge readiness level. They don’t know what they don’t know! #lr…
9:18 PM DrJessupS A6) Tell them expectations and tell them about why the difficulties will help them learn. #lrnchat
9:18 PM tomspiglanin RT @lrnchat: Q6) How can we fully engage learners while challenging them with desirable difficulties? #lrnchat
9:18 PM eLearninCyclops Q6) Branching scenarios that are very realistic, including potential deadends and failures, are a great way #lrnchat
9:18 PM margiemeacham A5) It might help if we assessed current levels of competency/knowledge before training #lrnchat
9:18 PM write2tg A6) Provide scaffolding that helps learners accept the desirable difficulty/challenge and feel supported to achieve their goals #lrnchat
9:19 PM ziolablu A6) I think performance supports are a big part of constructive learning with desirable difficulty. #lrnchat
9:19 PM Quinnovator a6) the right level of challenge *is* engaging (c.f. ‘hard fun’ https://t.co/xfugi8fonX) #lrnchat https://t.co/uSZckwLgCd
9:19 PM urbie #lrnchat A6 Desirable difficulty process..

1. Identify/mitigate sources of variation in what’s to be learned
2. Allow for spaced practice

9:19 PM The_NthDegree @doctorwhy the effects to measure are incredibly difficult in a controlled experiment,yet in a holistic view, like shaping of rocks #lrnchat
9:19 PM SimonBlairTrain I’m starting to think “desirable difficulties in learning” has little to do with getting distracted by attractive people. 🙂 #lrnchat
9:19 PM nsulla A6 #lrnchat S-driven classrooms w/ Ss as #problemfinders #innovators & #entrepreneurs; teachers as architects, resources, & facilitators
9:19 PM tomspiglanin a6) Fully challenge? Sounds like case for personalized learning. Data-driven challenges. Implementation? Maybe tough now, but soon #lrnchat
9:19 PM MrKMaston @ziolablu … #lrnchat https://t.co/AH62fNPKIV
9:19 PM RioPDX @eLearninCyclops YES! Branching is an excellent idea. #lrnchat
9:20 PM kregerck A6) Help show relevance. Include them in the development of the learning. #lrnchat https://t.co/C0hZRqXGPf
9:20 PM Quinnovator a6) look at games; challenge ramps up at a level that you *pay* for the experience! #lrnchat
9:20 PM margiemeacham @SimonBlairTrain #lrnchat Simon, I guess that depends on what you are trying to “learn.” 😉
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9:21 PM eLearninCyclops RT @Quinnovator a6) look at games; challenge ramps up at a level that you *pay* for the experience! #lrnchat
9:21 PM urbie #lrnchat A6 The more learning experience resembles a forest fire the lower the engagement & the harder it is to sell desirable difficulties
9:21 PM Quinnovator a6) game designer @raphkoster, in his “theory of fun”, says what games are all about is learning #lrnchat
9:21 PM JD_Dillon RT @Quinnovator: a6) the right level of challenge *is* engaging (c.f. ‘hard fun’ https://t.co/xfugi8fonX) #lrnchat https://t.co/uSZckwLgCd
9:21 PM kregerck RT @urbie: #lrnchat A6 Desirable difficulty process..

1. Identify/mitigate sources of variation in what’s to be learned
2. Allow for space…

9:21 PM write2tg .@Quinnovator And, when you stop playing the game for two weeks, see how easy the same levels become! 🙂 #lrnchat
9:21 PM EdScientists @kregerck Yes! Getting learner buy-in is important. But also: difficult/challenging does not equal unfun! It can be MORE engaging! #lrnchat
9:21 PM kregerck RT @write2tg: A6) Provide scaffolding that helps learners accept the desirable difficulty/challenge and feel supported to achieve their goa…
9:22 PM lrnchat What was something you learned tonight? #lrnchat
9:22 PM focus2achieve A6 through collaborative work, providing situational feedback only, encourage and support #lrnchat
9:22 PM The_NthDegree A6 Stop focussing on outcomes, the challenge can then be incredibly tough & learning still occurs… #lrnchat
9:22 PM The_NthDegree A6 Stop focussing on outcomes, the challenge can then be incredibly tough & learning still occurs… #lrnchat
9:22 PM write2tg A6) Be sensitive to learners and feedback. If the learning experience is too hard and frustrating, turn the challenge down #lrnchat
9:23 PM urbie #lrnchat A6 My fav desirable difficulty is making little mistakes along the way AND being able to come up with my own corrective feedback..
9:23 PM Minimologist @lrnchat Be sensitive to the student’s learning pace and tolerance for frustration. #LRNchat
9:23 PM focus2achieve RT @The_NthDegree: A6 Stop focussing on outcomes, the challenge can then be incredibly tough & learning still occurs… #lrnchat
9:23 PM SimonBlairTrain Something I learned? It wasn’t how to spell Czikzentmihalyi or Vygotsky. Had to look those up. #lrnchat
9:23 PM urbie RT @nsulla: A5 #lrnchat Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi: too easy –> boredom; too hard –> anxiety; learn from video game designers https://t.co/4…
9:24 PM DrJessupS A7) Interleaving – don’t have a series of the same topic. Switch between topics. #lrnchat
9:24 PM margiemeacham Learned I have to go look up some of these names that were quoted. #lrnchat. Thanks for sharing everyone.
9:24 PM urbie RT @kregerck: A5) Too easy = phone it in. May miss things. Too hard = give up. Undesirable difficulty #lrnchat https://t.co/BHAJlx0nDO
9:24 PM eLearninCyclops From the article, I learned that more tests can b more beneficial 2 the learner than I thought – more thn just measuring learning. #lrnchat
9:24 PM write2tg I learned that this group always presents great mental challenges and I find these difficulties very desirable 🙂 #lrnchat
9:24 PM RioPDX A6) Instructional Design is not dead. Seriously, too many ppt decks instead of real learning experiences. Inspiring conversation #lrnchat
9:24 PM focus2achieve @The_NthDegree well said Nigel – situational feedback only #lrnchat
9:24 PM JD_Dillon RT @lrnchat: What was something you learned tonight? #lrnchat
9:24 PM kregerck RT @write2tg: A6) Be sensitive to learners and feedback. If the learning experience is too hard and frustrating, turn the challenge down #l…
9:24 PM Tinasoto524Soto I’m so slow at this that while i’m answering we have moved on to a new question #lrnchat
9:25 PM margiemeacham I agree Jeff – they can be learning experiences. #lrnchat https://t.co/9nIwDqfjKZ
9:25 PM DrJessupS @Tinasoto524Soto with weekly spaced practice you’ll get better. 🙂 #lrnchat
9:25 PM SimonBlairTrain I learned that there seems to be a negative correlation between smile sheet scores and actual learning. #lrnchat
9:25 PM write2tg .@Tinasoto524Soto hang in there Tina! I know it can be challenging but I promise it gets better….desirable difficulties? 🙂 #lrnchat
9:25 PM urbie #lrnchat Ax Dunno where this fits.. one thing that seriously inhibits learning is The Curse of Knowledge (in trainers, facilitators, SMEs)..
9:26 PM lrnchat QWrap. It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
9:26 PM MrKMaston @Quinnovator Ha! @raphkoster played dungeons & dragons? I am definitely looking this guy up. #dnd #lrnchat #gamedesign
9:26 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat QWrap. It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
9:26 PM txmischief RT @SimonBlairTrain: I learned that there seems to be a negative correlation between smile sheet scores and actual learning. #lrnchat
9:26 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: QWrap. It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
9:27 PM txmischief RT @urbie: #lrnchat Ax Dunno where this fits.. one thing that seriously inhibits learning is The Curse of Knowledge (in trainers, facilitat…
9:27 PM nsulla A7 #lrnchat “interleaving” –
https://t.co/P8Wucgy1Ue

Definitely including in my next book on #executivefunction

9:27 PM Ephemeral321 RT @nsulla: A5 #lrnchat Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi: too easy –> boredom; too hard –> anxiety; learn from video game designers https://t.co/4…
9:27 PM Quinnovator already? #Lrnchat https://t.co/JS6tH8fIdG
9:27 PM eLearninCyclops QWrap) Jeff Goldman – eLearning Designer in Baltimore. Thx for another great #lrnchat
9:27 PM kregerck @Tinasoto524Soto Totally normal! And, we all have the ability to continue the conversations even after #lrnchat is over!
9:27 PM Tinasoto524Soto I didn’t mean to be the model for desirable difficulties. #lrnchat
9:27 PM ziolablu Formative feedback is not incorporated often enough #lrnchat https://t.co/qHbHt2HaW6
9:27 PM urbie #lrnchat Awrap urbie, learning experience designer presently doing #HardTime as broadcast/video PM.. https://t.co/sZHcl08EWA soon!!
9:27 PM JD_Dillon Sorry I was largely absent! Next week, #lrnchat! Til then I’m at https://t.co/8xKUK5w1DS + https://t.co/pbUEYUqgHU 👍 https://t.co/DDgJWjAmmM
9:28 PM Quinnovator blogging at https://t.co/Nm5yXCbV5R, instigating at https://t.co/riPao8x0R5, available thru https://t.co/FfFRKPWUDT #lrnchat
9:28 PM kregerck RT @urbie: #lrnchat Ax Dunno where this fits.. one thing that seriously inhibits learning is The Curse of Knowledge (in trainers, facilitat…
9:28 PM RioPDX Rio from PDX. Looking for projects nationally. I will consider a move also 😉 https://t.co/pKNYuPLXB7
#lrnchat
9:28 PM focus2achieve @margiemeacham @eLearninCyclops yes – Barb Oakley who’s a known brain based learning researcher would agree with that #lrnchat
9:28 PM Quinnovator sorry if you’re not here at #focusonlearn here in Austin, but maybe NY next week at https://t.co/eHWt9WHYur? #lrnchat
9:28 PM margiemeacham #lrnchat Join me in #Sandiego for Brain-aware instructional design workshop 7/19: https://t.co/Gdbd7hE2pv
9:28 PM EdScientists Learning scientist, graduate student and postdoc of Robert Bjork, more info at https://t.co/EQ4KETZAi6 #lrnchat https://t.co/3uWqbpvotD
9:28 PM SimonBlairTrain AWrap: Simon Blair, professional e-Learning guy and amateur farmer in super-rural Ontario. #lrnchat
9:29 PM Quinnovator @EdScientists we move fast! Next week? #lrnchat
9:29 PM ChadSLowry Awrap) Chad Lowry, Client Education Manager. Currently hiring for an Internal Training Consultant @MorningstarInc. #lrnchat
9:29 PM tomspiglanin Awrap) Ton Spiglanin, sitting next to @Quinnovator in Austin. No plugs but check out my vlogs at https://t.co/R6EV6ibgnu #lrnchat
9:29 PM kelly_smith01 Qlast) Goodnight great crowd tonight. Drive home safely #lrnchat
9:29 PM Minimologist @lrnchat I teach you to run your home or business more efficiently, and with greater focus on your projects and goals.#GetOrganized #LRNchat
9:29 PM DrJessupS Stephanie an e-learning manager. Thanks for another great #lrnchat
9:29 PM margiemeacham You can catch her podcast with me here: https://t.co/S4msBKqQuF Love her! #lrnchat. https://t.co/FaHPUDv28I
9:29 PM write2tg Thanks for a great chat! TG signing off. Catch my post on metaphors https://t.co/LXpkH2fPhk or https://t.co/oqgk8by82G #lrnchat
9:30 PM fabzGoku For me learning 漢字 is less desirable difficulty and more difficult difficulty
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9:30 PM margiemeacham @Quinnovator @EdScientists Missed you guys! Will try to get back into the routine on Thursday nights #lrnchat
9:30 PM tomspiglanin Awrap and see what workshop participants produced on Tues at #FocusOnLearn https://t.co/GxoSfOgMFh #lrnchat
9:31 PM nsulla #lrnchat Grt chat. Shameless plugs? My blog (https://t.co/EaVW0wBnA4) books (https://t.co/q1Mk6oOGt7) and our VLCs (https://t.co/Lel1nH96xa)
9:31 PM lrnchat Thanks everyone for joining #lrnchat tonight. See you next week! Look for weekly transcripts at https://t.co/ijNIXq164N