Transcript – December 17, 2015: Know-How

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This Week’s Questions

  • How do you know what you know?
  • How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)?
  • When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance)
  • Practice/repetition builds know-how. What are the elements of practice that make it effective for building skill?
  • Know-how helps us generalize and better switch between similar tasks. How can we become more fluent in our know-how?
  • Know-how is an almost unconscious activity. How is this the same or different than a habit?
  • What did you learn tonight?
8:29 PM lrnchat Welcome to #lrnchat everyone. Our 1st question will be posted in a few minutes. Take a moment to introduce yourself.
8:29 PM write2tg “Any fool can know. The point is to understand.” said Albert Einstein. Knowing vs. Understanding in today’s #lrnchat. Happening now!
8:30 PM mscardiff marlie cardiff enjoying summer-like weather in the midwest in the last 3 weeks. winter pls never come! #lrnchat
8:30 PM urbie Hello world! 60 minutes #lrnchat starts now.. urbie, learning experience designer from arizona.
8:31 PM lrnchat Please introduce yourselves. Passions? Projects? What are you working on these days? #lrnchat
8:31 PM mscardiff @urbie hi urbie! long time no talk #lrnchat
8:31 PM perrinia Perrin from Auckland – still trying to figure out how to ride a bike without reversing gears
#lrnchat
8:32 PM lrnchat Any first-time “lrnchatters” tonight? Please say hi. Ask for help if you need it. #lrnchat
8:32 PM CandiceCPLP #lrnchat hi all, Candice in OR, learning architect and soon off to dinner.
8:32 PM perrinia Working at launching a learning strategy from ground zero. Collaboratively. #lrnchat
8:32 PM DanHirtEsq Heads up, joining #lrnchat !
8:32 PM write2tg Hello people! TG from Vancouver. Developing a practical assessment for Hairstylists in BC, Canada! Change is in the hair! #lrnchat
8:32 PM urbie @mscardiff Marlie inna house! #lrnchat
8:32 PM The_NthDegree Kia Ora everyone, Nigel from Bay of Plenty surfin’ in for a splash of #lrnchat
8:33 PM avanbarn Angela in Ottawa – glad to be back in the chat! #lrnchat
8:33 PM JD_Dillon This is the #lrnchat I’m looking for … JD checkin’ in from Orlando, FL. Learning geek, presenter, sharer. https://t.co/UOy8OZrsH4
8:33 PM lrnchat Q0) We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
8:33 PM btopro bryan ollendyke, @elmsln project lead, ruiner of inefficiency, lms/edtech slayer. #lrnchat
8:33 PM DanHirtEsq Hey all! Back after taking 6 mos off! Joined Fort Worth ATD chapter and have an 11 month old #lrnchat
8:33 PM avanbarn That sounds totally cool! #lrnchat https://t.co/IG5YSMRhXT
8:33 PM jyoti__gupta #lrnchat Hello! It’s Jyoti from Boston, suffering in the cold soggy winter.
8:34 PM avanbarn Thanks for the warning, Dan! #lrnchat https://t.co/tkCKcMHkZw
8:34 PM JD_Dillon A0) No one reads the entire email. They just stop when they feel they’ve given you sufficient attention. #lrnchat https://t.co/XbiOxSdAA9
8:34 PM write2tg @avanbarn Oh Yes!I hang around with the coolest folks on this planet and get to work on some fun stuff🙂 Like right now! #lrnchat
8:34 PM patjazz251 Hello #lrnchat Pat from Ontario, bldg LMS for schools PD day and learning to code my #wordpress website from scratch
8:34 PM Quinnovator Clark Quinn, L&D revolution instigator, consultant/author/speaker, blog @ https://t.co/Nm5yXCtwur, Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
8:34 PM CandiceCPLP I learned how to build a tile backsplash, and it looks great! #lrnchat
8:34 PM mscardiff a0) today i learned that i can’t design a good course without understanding what it is i’m supposed to be teaching someone else #lrnchat
8:34 PM perrinia @write2tg Hey- i have a hair college in my wings— I’d love to hear what you are doing! #lrnchat
8:34 PM urbie #lrnchat Passion? #boos (butts-out-of-seats).. adding a little humanity into learning
8:34 PM btopro A0) I learned there are ppl that prefer doing things by hand when they’ve already been automated years ago #lrnchat
8:34 PM btopro RT @lrnchat: Q0) We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
8:35 PM elmsln RT @btopro: bryan ollendyke, @elmsln project lead, ruiner of inefficiency, lms/edtech slayer. #lrnchat
8:35 PM avanbarn A0: Learned that I have more time to complete my grading of assignmens – PHEW! #lrnchat
8:35 PM DanHirtEsq a0) learned to look before you leap. or at least before you start grabbing random stuff off the workbench #lrnchat
8:35 PM CandiceCPLP @DanHirtEsq welcome back, Dan. Hope you’re getting some keep by now. #lrnchat
8:35 PM patjazz251 A0 a little bit of php code #lrnchat
8:35 PM rfs426 #lrnchat A0) Learned that teamwork makes the dream work.
8:35 PM mscardiff @btopro hey that’s me! i still have a manual calendar and write a to do list #lrnchat
8:36 PM Quinnovator a0) learned that building good scenarios requires some deep thought to get compelling alternatives #lrnchat
8:36 PM write2tg @perrinia Sure! My work will be out on 01 Jan for the world to see🙂 let’s chat sometime.. #lrnchat
8:36 PM Quinnovator a0) and learned that thinking through models to get predictive insights requires some elaboration #lrnchat
8:37 PM urbie #lrnchat A0 What’d I learn this week? I need to tweet in complete sentences more. A pal in Vienna said so. In German. Commanding lingo that.
8:37 PM avanbarn A0: Learned that doing is critical to figuring it all out. Being perfect is old school! JUST DO IT! #lrnchat
8:37 PM jyoti__gupta a0) I re-learned the funny words we use in computer science to mean ho-hum things: immutable . #lrnchat
8:37 PM ZakiaRinggold Zakia Ringgold, Strategic Learning and Performance Consultant. Exploring all things social. Philadelphia #LRNCHAT
8:37 PM write2tg I hear ya! Distractors that are plausible yet incorrect are the toughest to write @Quinnovator #lrnchat
8:38 PM Quinnovator a0) and learned more deeply just how much @jaycross impacted people😦 #lrnchat
8:38 PM lrnchat Q1) How do you know what you know? #lrnchat
8:38 PM DanHirtEsq @JD_Dillon I screw up plenty of recipies that way.😦 #lrnchat
8:38 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you know what you know? #lrnchat
8:38 PM The_NthDegree A1 I’m honestly not sure I do. The phrase you don’t know what you don’t know is pretty much invalid in converse. #lrnchat
8:38 PM Quinnovator a1) through experimentation on my own or reading others #lrnchat
8:38 PM mscardiff a1) i know what i know when i can explain it to someone else #lrnchat
8:39 PM JD_Dillon A1) I’m curious, explore, try, screw up, ask around, try again, repeat … #lrnchat https://t.co/Qc7hQlEM2t
8:39 PM Quinnovator a1) talk to people who know #lrnchat
8:39 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you know what you know? #lrnchat
8:39 PM DanHirtEsq a1) knowledge bounderies have been located at the same place (some*) errors occure #lrnchat
8:39 PM btopro A1 I gather consensus from others as to direction to go then dig my hands into a machine, rip it to bits and put it back together. #lrnchat
8:39 PM perrinia #lrnchat A1) my Buddhist pal just read this and said, yes. exactly.
8:39 PM The_NthDegree A1 You only think you know what you think you know. It’s really not that simple, knowledge is a slippery thing and often a misnomer #lrnchat
8:39 PM britz A0) Hello Mark Britz from rainy #syracuse – learning much about marketing, graphics and all that goes into it these days #lrnchat
8:39 PM JD_Dillon A1) Lets see how many people say “school” … #lrnchat https://t.co/Qc7hQlEM2t
8:39 PM btopro RT @mscardiff: a1) i know what i know when i can explain it to someone else #lrnchat
8:39 PM mscardiff a1) or i know when i know when someone shows me something and i go “ah, yes i remember” does that count?🙂 #lrnchat
8:40 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q1) How do you know what you know? #lrnchat
8:40 PM britz RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you know what you know? #lrnchat
8:40 PM Quinnovator RT @write2tg: I hear ya! Distractors that are plausible yet incorrect are the toughest to write @Quinnovator #lrnchat
8:40 PM CandiceCPLP A1) if@i know it, I don’t care how I know it; unless I have to prove that I know it #lrnchat
8:40 PM JD_Dillon A1) The all important step of admitting I don’t know – or don’t know enough #lrnchat
8:40 PM btopro RT @britz: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you know what you know? #lrnchat
8:41 PM avanbarn A1: I guess one way is external confirmation from my community. But also, sometimes I just know. #lrnchat
8:41 PM The_NthDegree A1 You don’t know quite what you think you know because everything is relative… #lrnchat
8:41 PM write2tg A1) I know what I know because I think I know and others say I know. Also, it helps when I can explain to others what I know #lrnchat
8:41 PM DanHirtEsq a1) decisiveness *can be an indicator #lrnchat
8:41 PM britz A1. I generally know what i know through the results found thru experience and feedback #lrnchat
8:41 PM Quinnovator a1) ask, explore, try, reflect, repeat (aka do, review, refine) #lrnchat
8:41 PM jyoti__gupta a1) reading and/or doing for the most part #lrnchat
8:42 PM write2tg A1) I know by asking, reading, doing, reflecting #lrnchat
8:42 PM DanHirtEsq taking apart, rearranging, putting together #lrnchat
8:42 PM urbie #lrnchat A1 Scar tissue. The roadmap to knowing lead me to a few spills. Where on me the scars are reminds me of what I know.
8:42 PM avanbarn Isn’t that always the case? Is there a point we reach when we think we know enough? #lrnchat #perpetuallearner https://t.co/GUgj6fdsF1
8:42 PM The_NthDegree Wow – on my own today – the rest of you much more knowledgeable than me… #lrnchat
8:42 PM CandiceCPLP Exactly, but no knowing is often more fun, right? #lrnchat https://t.co/AOiksdCttp
8:42 PM mscardiff a1) sometimes you don’t know what you know until you’re put in a situation where you have to do something #lrnchat
8:43 PM DanHirtEsq The most memorable lessons… #lrnchat https://t.co/YFJ7hPJOYv
8:43 PM write2tg RT @mscardiff a1) sometimes you don’t know what you know until you’re put in a situation where you have to do something #lrnchat
8:43 PM ZakiaRinggold RT @CandiceCPLP: A1) if@i know it, I don’t care how I know it; unless I have to prove that I know it #lrnchat
8:43 PM avanbarn A1: Also, when I have to fight the urge to yell “I told you so!” #lrnchat
8:43 PM The_NthDegree How about you know what you know until what you know isn’t what you thought it was any more: knowledge relativity #lrnchat
8:44 PM CandiceCPLP And there are levels of ‘knowing’ – from books, others, experience, intuition, etc. #lrnchat
8:44 PM ZakiaRinggold A1. As soon as I think I know. I know it’s time to go back to the drawing board. #LRNCHAT
8:44 PM The_NthDegree finally! good answer🙂 RT @ZakiaRinggold: A1. As soon as I think I know. I know it’s time to go back to the drawing board. #LRNCHAT
8:45 PM Quinnovator heh, so true! #Lrnchat https://t.co/KWiu1QHVcL
8:45 PM write2tg A1) There’s lots I don’t know. And I know that. And there’s lots that I don’t know but I don’t know that yet. #toomanyknows #lrnchat
8:45 PM urbie #lrnchat A1 Another way that I know what I know is I hear “no” a lot less often. Nos mean I can’t do something. I do lots (some not well).
8:45 PM britz The more u know the less u understand. I’m making a conscious effort at knowing less if you get what I mean. #lrnchat #additionbysubtraction
8:45 PM Quinnovator a1) what I can *do* #lrnchat
8:45 PM ZakiaRinggold When this happens several times on the same topic probably on to something. #LRNCHAT https://t.co/26l6TK93Qn
8:45 PM The_NthDegree @write2tg it’s worse than that – what we think we know is often a mismash of approximations and memories too! #lrnchat
8:45 PM avanbarn Oooo – I like that one! Happens all the time and that is thrilling! Great opps to keep learning. #lrnchat https://t.co/JfG4zJgkZ6
8:45 PM patjazz251 A1 depends to what level (Bloom’s). Know to undrstnd, to apply, to evaluate… #lrnchat https://t.co/jwDq7W37Xf
8:46 PM lrnchat Q2) How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)? #lrnchat
8:46 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q2) How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)? #lrnchat
8:46 PM The_NthDegree RT @avanbarn: Oooo – I like that one! Happens all the time and that is thrilling! Great opps to keep learning. #lrnchat https://t.co/JfG4z…
8:46 PM DanHirtEsq RT @lrnchat: Q2) How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)? #lrnchat
8:46 PM urbie #lrnchat A1 Through #reimaginePD and #EdCamp I meet lots of teachers. Many tell me I’m no to something. They’re teachers. They know, right?
8:46 PM write2tg @The_NthDegree Yes. That’s true. But that’s what we are all made of Nigel – a mismash of approximations and memories #lrnchat
8:46 PM Quinnovator a2) show our know how by *doing* #lrnchat
8:46 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q2) How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)? #lrnchat
8:46 PM JD_Dillon @avanbarn PLENTY of people think they know enough … Otherwise L&D wouldn’t be necessary … #lrnchat
8:46 PM btopro RT @lrnchat: Q2) How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)? #lrnchat
8:46 PM ZakiaRinggold RT @britz: The more u know the less u understand. I’m making a conscious effort at knowing less if you get what I mean. #lrnchat #additionb…
8:46 PM The_NthDegree A2 Yuk! How about we show more of what we don’t know to each other and change culture? #lrnchat
8:47 PM perrinia #lrnchat A2) It comes from the Do

Getting things done. Doing the work

8:47 PM mscardiff a1) i am practicing a new skill – i go in to situations thinking i don’t know anything. humbling and also makes me listen more #lrnchat
8:47 PM JD_Dillon A2) Demonstrate. Share the process, not just the outcome. Work out loud continuously. #lrnchat https://t.co/ur2ghYP7Rk
8:47 PM write2tg RT @Quinnovator a2) show our know how by *doing* #lrnchat
8:47 PM Quinnovator a2) via doing, simulation, others acknowledgement, outcomes #lrnchat
8:47 PM DanHirtEsq a2) get off our butts and go do something #lrnchat
8:47 PM btopro A2) screencast, constantly. Describe a cool idea, then show how it works, then show what made it possible. inside and out #lrnchat
8:47 PM The_NthDegree @write2tg I agree – but is this what we casually refer to as knowledge or is it something else… is knowledge really a commodity? #lrnchat
8:47 PM britz A2. Put yourself into situations to show not tell, put knowledge into action. Experiments, projects, outputs #lrnchat
8:47 PM mscardiff RT @lrnchat: Q2) How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)? #lrnchat
8:48 PM write2tg A2) Show what you know and apply the know-how to do something. #lrnchat
8:48 PM urbie #lrnchat A2a That part in that book where that guy walks inland with an oar over his shoulder. Asked what it is, give your elevator pitch. +
8:48 PM DanHirtEsq a2) create #lrnchat
8:49 PM avanbarn A2: We need to DO stuff to show KNOW-HOW. No? Otherwise, we are just spreading rumours of our brilliance #lrnchat https://t.co/yYz1N4HGCP
8:50 PM avanbarn okay – but then how do we get things done? #lrnchat https://t.co/nV88m8yai8
8:50 PM The_NthDegree A2 Flip it – show what you don’t know – show what ur learning & what’s shaping you – ask for help… disagree & challenge the norm #lrnchat
8:50 PM DanHirtEsq I wonder if teachers/professors would take issue with that…😉 #lrnchat https://t.co/bq8qKN6qDw
8:50 PM mscardiff a2) we can show our tacit knowledge by providing constructive feedback when given the opportunity #lrnchat
8:50 PM The_NthDegree …and stop asking questions you know the answer to… unless you have the intellectual humility to change your mind🙂 #lrnchat
8:50 PM jmarcielrozzi RT @The_NthDegree: A2 Flip it – show what you don’t know – show what ur learning & what’s shaping you – ask for help… disagree & challeng…
8:51 PM urbie #lrnchat A2 Being around people who know what you know it’s easy not to show it. We could be wrong. Hang around people who know other stuff.
8:51 PM JustStormy RT @lrnchat: Q2) How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)? #lrnchat
8:51 PM write2tg @The_NthDegree In some ways, yes, knowledge is perhaps a commodity. But we know better…don’t we🙂 #lrnchat
8:51 PM ZakiaRinggold A2- demonstrate the actual processes behind the scenes, gotchas, trials and triumphs. Invite participants to learn and lead. #LRNCHAT
8:51 PM avanbarn Oooo, Dan – don’t get me started in that one! LOL! #lrnchat https://t.co/2QBem89HuQ
8:51 PM The_NthDegree @urbie God help me there’s nothing so dangerous as collective knowledge or wisdom… #lrnchat
8:52 PM JustStormy a2) talk about it. if i’m tongue-tied, I don’t know enough #lrnchat
8:52 PM ZakiaRinggold RT @lrnchat: Q2) How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)? #lrnchat
8:52 PM write2tg That’s a powerful method too. RT @The_NthDegree A2 Flip it – show what you don’t know – show what ur learning & what’s shaping you #lrnchat
8:52 PM DanHirtEsq show what you can do by seeking out problems to solve #lrnchat
8:52 PM jyoti__gupta a2) YouTube how-to videos are pretty good for that #lrnchat
8:52 PM avanbarn Does that guarantee tacit knowledge – or possibly a kind and useful delivery of KNOW-WHAT? #lrnchat https://t.co/6KyMQ7niba
8:53 PM patjazz251 A2 demo, model, create, do. By building portfolios, perf support tools, blog posts #lrnchat
8:53 PM JD_Dillon A2) Invite new people into your process. Don’t make it just about your team or function. #lrnchat
8:53 PM susangenden RT @britz: A2. Put yourself into situations to show not tell, put knowledge into action. Experiments, projects, outputs #lrnchat
8:53 PM ZakiaRinggold Great response!!! #lrnchat https://t.co/tS4Wscbgvi
8:53 PM mscardiff @avanbarn perhaps both? #lrnchat
8:53 PM Quinnovator a2) channeling @susangenden: when you can help someone else learn to do it #lrnchat
8:54 PM avanbarn You just need to know when you are swimming in that pool. The water is not always fine! #lrnchat https://t.co/zPPzrPepW4
8:54 PM britz RT @DanHirtEsq: show what you can do by seeking out problems to solve #lrnchat
8:54 PM write2tg A2) Get people to interview you to extract your tacit knowledge so you know what you know or don’t know. #lrnchat
8:54 PM urbie #lrnchat A2 A really good way to show your know-how is to ask for help from others. The conversation reinforces yours and others know-how.
8:55 PM JD_Dillon A2) Welcome the questions “why?” and “how?” Don’t consider them to be challenges. #lrnchat
8:55 PM susangenden A2) #lrnchat Share / show / demo your expertise. #Mentor others.
8:55 PM JD_Dillon A2) Blog your process, not just your outcomes #lrnchat
8:55 PM The_NthDegree @JD_Dillon ask them yourself of your own ‘knowledge’ – and don’t think the answer is yours alone to find (or a static thing) #lrnchat
8:56 PM lrnchat Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
8:56 PM The_NthDegree A3 Hairdressers? #lrnchat
8:56 PM mscardiff RT @lrnchat: Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
8:56 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
8:56 PM DanHirtEsq RT @lrnchat: Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
8:56 PM stipton RT @The_NthDegree: @urbie God help me there’s nothing so dangerous as collective knowledge or wisdom… #lrnchat
8:56 PM The_NthDegree A3 I’ve got it! PARENTING🙂 #lrnchat
8:56 PM JustStormy RT @lrnchat: Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
8:57 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
8:57 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
8:57 PM Quinnovator RT @The_NthDegree: A3 I’ve got it! PARENTING🙂 #lrnchat
8:57 PM britz RT @lrnchat: Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
8:57 PM DanHirtEsq a3) trainers that refuse to learn. oh man. that gets my goat. #lrnchat
8:57 PM urbie #lrnchat A3 When I was single.. dating.
8:57 PM avanbarn And also ‘why not’? Agree that need to be open to & welcome feedback in the spirit in which it is offered. #lrnchat https://t.co/79dcpVhs9i
8:57 PM Quinnovator a3) when instructors talk about what they know but has little relation to what they *really* do #lrnchat
8:57 PM The_NthDegree A3 If I say @lrnchat here will I get blocked from these chats? #lrnchat
8:57 PM JD_Dillon A3) I think that’s the definition of standard operation documentation. Tons of what, no how. #lrnchat https://t.co/d7qmVm6TmN
8:57 PM patjazz251 A3 so many music teacher who can’t play😦 #lrnchat
8:58 PM JD_Dillon A3) Plenty of training people (unfortunately) who don’t take time to learn biz, establish credibility #lrnchat https://t.co/d7qmVm6TmN
8:58 PM write2tg A3) Happens everywhere and in all walks of life. We can see through the disconnect between know-what and know-how. Eventually. #lrnchat
8:59 PM JustStormy @Quinnovator was trying to figure out a way to say that… well done… #lrnchat
8:59 PM mscardiff a3) isn’t that all of us? IDs/trainers who create training for subjects they don’t practice? #lrnchat
8:59 PM ryantracey Hi everyone. Late to the party. ‘Tis the season! #lrnchat
8:59 PM JD_Dillon A3) Most corporate communications. Preaching what should be done but not sharing how people do it. #lrnchat
8:59 PM avanbarn A3: See it in people who have the job title of instructional designer, but not the training. #lrnchat https://t.co/dZRKqwscb4
8:59 PM The_NthDegree A3 L&D professionals probably have this pretty well covered… present company excluded of course😉 #lrnchat
8:59 PM DanHirtEsq It’s a complicated life we lead… #lrnchat https://t.co/6dJtymBjGW
9:00 PM ryantracey A3) *cough* university #lrnchat
9:00 PM susangenden A3) #lrnchat that’s easy to answer. Teachers who just lecture about learning and don’t listen to learners. Missed opportunities there.
9:00 PM The_NthDegree A3 By the end of this course you will be able to…. #lrnchat
9:00 PM jyoti__gupta a3) Me, the first time I taught a course on xslt #lrnchat
9:00 PM write2tg RT @mscardiff: a3) isn’t that all of us? IDs/trainers who create training for subjects they don’t practice? #lrnchat
9:00 PM CandiceCPLP A3) we all know the MBAs that can’t manage #lrnchat
9:00 PM PatriceKiraly RT @lrnchat: Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
9:00 PM Quinnovator Heh! #lrnchat https://t.co/vIEdYlcxd2
9:00 PM ZakiaRinggold A3. When subject matter experts attempt to create “interactive” learning experiences. #LRNCHAT
9:01 PM urbie #lrnchat A3 In ’67 papa lost his right arm in a steel mill accident. Relearning how to do everything with his left was hard.
9:01 PM patjazz251 A3 do as I say, not as I do. Never happens? #lrnchat
9:01 PM btopro RT @lrnchat: Q3) When have you seen disconnect between know-what and know-how? (i.e. swim instructor who can’t swim, for instance) #lrnchat
9:01 PM mscardiff @DanHirtEsq i hear ya! i struggled this week to design training to process i couldn’t grasp! #lrnchat
9:01 PM write2tg @mscardiff Oh but I don’t call that knowing. I call it short-term memory. #lrnchat
9:01 PM DanHirtEsq So should all trainers only be SME’s first? #lrnchat https://t.co/fpFBs4QIEs
9:01 PM avanbarn Say more, I’m curious now. @The_NthDegree #lrnchat https://t.co/i0yF7aJtbM
9:01 PM CandiceCPLP A2) Also by engaging actively with others in your field. Great way to discuss &I learn #lrnchat
9:01 PM Quinnovator a3) when you read the instructions on how to put it together and it doesn’t work! #lrnchat
9:01 PM btopro A3) Instructional designers who can’t influence technology yet have to base every decision, every day off selecting it #lrnchat
9:02 PM susangenden @Quinnovator ahh, similar thinking. #lrnchat
9:02 PM btopro RT @CandiceCPLP: A3) we all know the MBAs that can’t manage #lrnchat
9:02 PM JustStormy a3) administrators…administrating #lrnchat
9:02 PM ryantracey A3) We’ve all seen those people who pass the exam… but do they really get it? #lrnchat
9:02 PM DanHirtEsq @patjazz251 happened one time, but i think that was it #lrnchat
9:02 PM urbie #lrnchat A3 Saying yes to a customer demand for training when analysis contraindicates it.
9:02 PM CandiceCPLP A good recommendation for IDs actually doing…#lrnchat https://t.co/w2Xw7aowvS
9:02 PM write2tg But it was an ‘exam’ Ryan! RT @ryantracey A3) We’ve all seen those people who pass the exam… but do they really get it? #lrnchat
9:04 PM ZakiaRinggold Definitely the case if we don’t collaborate with SMEs. #LRNCHAT https://t.co/kZTPCbt2tx
9:04 PM write2tg A3) Leaders not leading, Managers not managing, Workers not working…say more? #lrnchat
9:04 PM CandiceCPLP No, we should collaborate well…. #lrnchat https://t.co/b5yUT5uE9B
9:04 PM The_NthDegree @write2tg @ryantracey ..learning objectives properly tested – tick🙂 must be all good🙂 #lrnchat
9:04 PM ryantracey @mscardiff That’s an interesting point. I’d say IDers are applying their knowledge of ID, no? #lrnchat
9:04 PM lrnchat Q4) Practice/repetition builds know-how. What are the elements of practice that make it effective for building skill? #lrnchat
9:04 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q4) Practice/repetition builds know-how. What are the elements of practice that make it effective for building skill? #lrnchat
9:04 PM avanbarn But your expertise is learning design, no? THAT’S what you bring to the table. #lrnchat https://t.co/CerHyuXZZJ
9:04 PM ryantracey @The_NthDegree @write2tg I have no qualms with assessment. I guess “properly tested” is the key phrase. #lrnchat
9:05 PM DanHirtEsq RT @lrnchat: Q4) Practice/repetition builds know-how. What are the elements of practice that make it effective for building skill? #lrnchat
9:05 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q4) Practice/repetition builds know-how. What are the elements of practice that make it effective for building skill? #lrnchat
9:05 PM CandiceCPLP A great example of non-transfer of learning 😌#lrnchat https://t.co/RXXezX8B0M
9:05 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q4) Practice/repetition builds know-how. What are the elements of practice that make it effective for building skill? #lrnchat
9:05 PM patjazz251 @DanHirtEsq lol I think it was in 1987 or 88… #lrnchat
9:05 PM JD_Dillon A4) Feedback #lrnchat https://t.co/irYCN2V9Mp
9:05 PM The_NthDegree @ryantracey @The_NthDegree @write2tg properly testing a moving target? Isn’t the whole thing a bit cheesy and ineffective? #lrnchat
9:06 PM Quinnovator a4) good practice = meaningful context, challenge balanced to learner level, spaced, sufficient quantity, authentic tasks #lrnchat
9:06 PM CandiceCPLP a4) Reflection on what went well, what didn’t, and by. #lrnchat
9:06 PM ryantracey A4) We say it all the time here… learn from failure. #lrnchat
9:06 PM matthwdoyle RT @lrnchat: Q2) How can we better show our know-how (tacit knowledge) and not just our know-what (explicit)? #lrnchat
9:06 PM write2tg @ryantracey @The_NthDegree Yes, perhaps tested the way the knowledge is applied in real-life. So challenging but worth it #lrnchat
9:06 PM ryantracey RT @JD_Dillon: A4) Feedback #lrnchat https://t.co/irYCN2V9Mp
9:06 PM DanHirtEsq a4) applying the skill/idea in varied situations #lrnchat
9:06 PM The_NthDegree A4 The practice makes perfect model is broken… let’s challenge that one #lrnchat
9:06 PM JD_Dillon RT @Quinnovator: a4) good practice = meaningful context, challenge balanced to learner level, spaced, sufficient quantity, authentic tasks …
9:06 PM 4KM Dropping into #lrnchat (if I can catch up). Happy holidays everyone.
9:06 PM avanbarn Is that due to the learning or to the teaching? #lrnchat https://t.co/d7qpTqpHBw
9:07 PM CandiceCPLP A4) “Now, what did we learn from that?” #lrnchat
9:07 PM urbie #lrnchat A4 Rewards can help at first. The feeling riding your bike down a sidewalk with the Jack o’ Hearts between the back tire’s spokes.
9:07 PM write2tg A4) Application of knowledge in different contexts is one way of building skills #lrnchat
9:07 PM mscardiff RT @lrnchat: Q4) Practice/repetition builds know-how. What are the elements of practice that make it effective for building skill? #lrnchat
9:07 PM matthwdoyle RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you know what you know? #lrnchat
9:07 PM jmarcielrozzi RT @write2tg: @ryantracey @The_NthDegree Yes, perhaps tested the way the knowledge is applied in real-life. So challenging but worth it #lr…
9:08 PM ryantracey @avanbarn I hate this answer… the “system”… but I think in this case it’s true. #lrnchat
9:08 PM write2tg RT @Quinnovator good practice = meaningful context, challenge balanced to learner level, spaced, sufficient quantity, authentic #lrnchat
9:08 PM avanbarn A4: Attempt, failure, feedback, reflection. Rinse and repeat with courage and faith! #lrnchat
9:08 PM mscardiff a4) activity has to be relevant to real world, day in the life #lrnchat
9:08 PM Quinnovator @ryantracey @JD_Dillon good points: safe to fail, and meaningful feedback #lrnchat
9:08 PM DanHirtEsq @CandiceCPLP HA! hopefully ice was applied before ‘learning’ lessons #lrnchat
9:08 PM susangenden @lrnchat #lrnchat Not just practice but spaced practice over time, interleaving with related topics, and recall of #learning.
9:09 PM write2tg A4) Trying to make connections between different knowledge items that may seem unrelated is another way to build skills. #lrnchat
9:09 PM ryantracey RT @mscardiff: a4) activity has to be relevant to real world, day in the life #lrnchat
9:09 PM JustStormy RT @lrnchat: Q4) Practice/repetition builds know-how. What are the elements of practice that make it effective for building skill? #lrnchat
9:09 PM 4KM A4 Judging quality of know-how is getting interesting. For ex., directive lens makes collaborative look poor #lrnchat.
9:10 PM Squiddel RT @susangenden: @lrnchat #lrnchat Not just practice but spaced practice over time, interleaving with related topics, and recall of #learni…
9:10 PM avanbarn @ryantracey I think it’s true too – just asking. #lrnchat https://t.co/MRNs4dzmue
9:11 PM lrnchat Q5) Know-how helps us generalize and better switch between similar tasks. How can we become more fluent in our know-how? #lrnchat
9:11 PM CandiceCPLP Nice! Creating context from content – the essence of curation! #lrnchat https://t.co/H7CpUBcCvj
9:11 PM mscardiff RT @lrnchat: Q5) Know-how helps us generalize and better switch between similar tasks. How can we become more fluent in our know-how? #lrnc…
9:12 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q5) Know-how helps us generalize and better switch between similar tasks. How can we become more fluent in our know-how? #lrnc…
9:12 PM patjazz251 A4 Demo, deliberate practice and every type of feedback imaginable (peer, self, SME, community) #lrnchat https://t.co/1y4lGG5tBQ
9:12 PM DanHirtEsq RT @lrnchat: Q5) Know-how helps us generalize and better switch between similar tasks. How can we become more fluent in our know-how? #lrnc…
9:12 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q5) Know-how helps us generalize and better switch between similar tasks. How can we become more fluent in know-how? #lrnchat
9:12 PM urbie #lrnchat A4 Competition can help one improve practice. A fuzzy goal (clarified through practice) supports more than one right way skills.
9:12 PM DanHirtEsq a5) have more life experiences of all sorts! Life a little! (or a bunch) #lrnchat
9:12 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q5) Know-how helps us generalize and better switch between similar tasks. How can we become more fluent in our know-how? #lrnc…
9:13 PM hjarche @lrnchat Q5) only way to get better at anything is to practice. meaningful practice is essential #lrnchat
9:13 PM Quinnovator a5) look for models, reflect – abstract and generalize, try to represent our understanding, and solicit feedback #lrnchat
9:13 PM jyoti__gupta q4) building muscle memory #lrnchat
9:13 PM write2tg RT @DanHirtEsq a5) have more life experiences of all sorts! Life a little! (or a bunch) #lrnchat
9:13 PM JD_Dillon A5) Continued application, awareness of our deficiencies, acceptance of feedback, purposeful practice #lrnchat https://t.co/bbD6FIK7pk
9:13 PM JustStormy RT@lrnchat: Q5) Know-how helps us generalize & better switch between similar tasks. How can we become more fluent in our know-how? #lrnchat
9:13 PM btopro A5 being Agile (both the methodology / as humans). Fail often, fix fast; stop over analyzing, start doing. youll get more done fast #lrnchat
9:13 PM avanbarn A5: Fluent? I guess experiment in variety scenarios, multiple perspectives, new and odd situations. #lrnchat https://t.co/y9h0fdSIGB
9:13 PM CandiceCPLP A5) Ah, the Star Wars tie in! To learn, there is do, not ‘not do’. One must try! #lrnchat
9:13 PM Quinnovator a5) work out loud and narrate our work #lrnchat
9:14 PM write2tg A5) For know-how, it is important to see the big picture. You need observe, be open and reflect on more of everything. #lrnchat
9:14 PM 4KM A5 If more “training” were safe, real-life practice we’d do better. #lrnchat
9:14 PM CandiceCPLP Meaningful’ is key. #lrnchat https://t.co/84ejxECe2U
9:15 PM JD_Dillon A5) Immerse yourself in practical application (ex: learning a language while traveling) #lrnchat
9:15 PM DanHirtEsq my ‘out loud’ is on paper. once i’ve put it in words there, i’m money. Money i tell you! #lrnchat https://t.co/TTCDGwac0I
9:15 PM Quinnovator a5) give ourselves stretch goals #lrnchat
9:15 PM write2tg @4KM Yes, if all training was real-life, it wouldn’t feel like training. #lrnchat
9:15 PM avanbarn Do, or do not. There is no try.’ ~ Yoda, Jedi Master #lrnchat https://t.co/y5Pp4S1OGj
9:16 PM JustStormy a5) walk the walk…trip, and right ourselves if we have to #lrnchat
9:16 PM Quinnovator a5) do, review, refine #lrnchat
9:16 PM mscardiff a5) we can become fluent in our know-how by doing what olympic gold medalists do – practice, train, eat right, get enough sleep #lrnchat
9:16 PM avanbarn I love the idea of Working Out Loud – sounds very community-oriented and supportive! @Quinnovator #lrnchat https://t.co/TTSWgMIxkD
9:16 PM DanHirtEsq get different perspective, see how your position/idea stands up #lrnchat
9:17 PM CaveoLearning Find out how retail chain @CrateandBarrel does #elearning on a budget. https://t.co/No3ewzO1eS #lrnchat #edtech #learning
9:17 PM 4KM @write2tg Sadly, some ADDIE-trained designers have a lot of difficulty with real-life learning designs. #lrnchat
9:17 PM Quinnovator er: do, review, refine, *repeat* #lrnchat https://t.co/xK4CQAvu6Q
9:17 PM write2tg A5) Stay hands-on. Don’t shy away from doing when your brain tells you that you ‘know’. #lrnchat
9:17 PM patjazz251 A5 it’s all about failure: fail early, fail often, fail forward #lrnchat
9:17 PM lrnchat Q6) Know-how is an almost unconscious activity. How is this the same or different than a habit? #lrnchat
9:17 PM susangenden #lrnchat A5) Using Bloom’s Taxonomy, synthesis is required to become more fluent, then continuous application, evaluate, more #learning.
9:17 PM urbie @hjarche @lrnchat So practice until it becomes habit, as in.. https://t.co/XnuwJWa3s9 #lrnchat
9:17 PM Quinnovator @avanbarn aka @JaneBozarth’s Show Your Work #lrnchat
9:18 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q6) Know-how is an almost unconscious activity. How is this the same or different than a habit? #lrnchat
9:18 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q6) Know-how is an almost unconscious activity. How is this the same or different than a habit? #lrnchat
9:18 PM mscardiff RT @lrnchat: Q6) Know-how is an almost unconscious activity. How is this the same or different than a habit? #lrnchat
9:18 PM DanHirtEsq I make it a habit to fail as often as possible. I’m not sure it that’s the same thing. #lrnchat https://t.co/jsFGjiyTwG
9:18 PM DanHirtEsq RT @lrnchat: Q6) Know-how is an almost unconscious activity. How is this the same or different than a habit? #lrnchat
9:18 PM write2tg @4KM Yes, and many clients too. I see it is a continuum. The closer you get to real-life, the better the training gets. #lrnchat
9:18 PM JD_Dillon RT @lrnchat: Q6) Know-how is an almost unconscious activity. How is this the same or different than a habit? #lrnchat
9:18 PM JustStormy RT @lrnchat: Q6) Know-how is an almost unconscious activity. How is this the same or different than a habit? #lrnchat
9:18 PM The_NthDegree I’m out @lrnchat ‘ers I can see some of you remain unconvinced… remember knowledge is a trap🙂 https://t.co/LaPBJ5Ybjc #lrnchat
9:19 PM Quinnovator a6) expertise may be unconsciously executed, but usually consciously initiated, whereas habit may be unconsciously initiated (?) #lrnchat
9:19 PM _Geek_Fish_ RT @btopro: A5 being Agile (both the methodology / as humans). Fail often, fix fast; stop over analyzing, start doing. youll get more done …
9:19 PM CandiceCPLP A6) Habits are usually tied to a trigger of some kind (when I get up….) Don’t think know-how is. #lrnchat
9:19 PM hjarche @DanHirtEsq only if you learn from your failures #lrnchat and don’t repeat them😉
9:19 PM The_NthDegree A6 – ooh I’ve written on this one too… https://t.co/zXOI68iQSe #lrnchat
9:20 PM btopro RT @lrnchat: Q6) Know-how is an almost unconscious activity. How is this the same or different than a habit? #lrnchat
9:20 PM avanbarn It is if you pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and start all over again! #lrnchat @DanHirtEsq https://t.co/ECFDHgA4al
9:20 PM ryantracey @patjazz251 “Fail forward”… I like that. #lrnchat
9:20 PM 4KM A6 habit+reflective learning➡revised know-how➡habit. Repeat. ? #lrnchat
9:20 PM JD_Dillon I’ll take it … 😜 #lrnchat https://t.co/P3yt4bQLj9
9:20 PM busynessgirl Habits are a physical muscle memory. Know how is ROM. #lrnchat
9:20 PM mscardiff a6) some habits are bad for you i.e. smoking so can some of our know-how unless we’re open to always learning so no difference #lrnchat
9:20 PM DanHirtEsq habits are compulsive, out of the way (often dentrimental) behaviours. know how is smoothing out procedural edges #lrnchat
9:20 PM CandiceCPLP Yes, knowledge can be a bias. #lrnchat https://t.co/pVAdIYLC6z
9:20 PM btopro A6 know-how, like “common-sense” becomes impossible to explain to someone else at times bc it becomes so habitual #lrnchat
9:20 PM urbie #lrnchat A6 Mindfulness. Running widgets through a bandsaw and not losing fingers requires mindfulness. Habits can kill.
9:21 PM write2tg A60 I am not sure about my answer to Question 6. Well, I just don’t know…. #lrnchat
9:21 PM DanHirtEsq I make no promises #lrnchat https://t.co/ZrCLQI2yN0
9:22 PM 4KM @write2tg Based on my experiences, I agree. Trying to do some research on that now. #lrnchat
9:22 PM avanbarn Me too! HA! #lrnchat https://t.co/YlslmJZ0Xd
9:22 PM avanbarn Me too! HA! #lrnchat https://t.co/YlslmJZ0Xd
9:22 PM write2tg @4KM That’s nice. I’d be curious to hear more about your findings. #lrnchat
9:23 PM lrnchat Q7) What did you learn tonight? #lrnchat
9:24 PM write2tg RT @lrnchat Q7) What did you learn tonight? #lrnchat
9:24 PM patjazz251 @ryantracey and to support, we should give feed forward vice feedback #lrnchat
9:24 PM susangenden A6) Reflection and mindfulness are key to truly learning along with practice and recall. #lrnchat
9:24 PM MrKMaston Second this. #lrnchat https://t.co/Ylakcwwqge
9:24 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q7) What did you learn tonight? #lrnchat
9:24 PM urbie RT @lrnchat: Q7) What did you learn tonight? #lrnchat
9:24 PM JD_Dillon RT @lrnchat: Q7) What did you learn tonight? #lrnchat
9:25 PM mscardiff a7) i learned tonight that maybe i’ve been thinking about some things all wrong! #lrnchat
9:25 PM mscardiff RT @lrnchat: Q7) What did you learn tonight? #lrnchat
9:25 PM urbie #lrnchat A7 The pre-work got me thinking about adults learning to bike ride. It was a #rhizome kinda ride. Nothing kills like embarrassment.
9:25 PM Quinnovator a7) that I need to be more curious in public #lrnchat
9:26 PM 4KM A7 Learned that there is hope for the #KM and #Learning (formal and nonformal) intersection. Love silo-busting. #lrnchat
9:26 PM MrKMaston Late to the #lrnchat party! Quickly perusing, some good answers. Looking forward to a full review.
9:26 PM lrnchat QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
9:26 PM write2tg A7) Learned that I need to learn so much more. #lrnchat
9:26 PM DanHirtEsq Always read the plaque #lrnchat https://t.co/P43biCqrIR
9:26 PM Quinnovator Already? #lrnchat https://t.co/yKnPV47XPI
9:26 PM ryantracey A7) I learned that @Quinnovator takes these questions very seriously! #lrnchat
9:26 PM 4KM @mscardiff Say more? #lrnchat
9:26 PM ryantracey AW) Ryan from Sydney – My blogging year in the rear-view mirror: https://t.co/IeeU8bp6YP #lrnchat
9:27 PM DanHirtEsq a7) I need to get better at identifying areas of improvement #lrnchat
9:27 PM JD_Dillon Thanks #lrnchat! JD in Orlando. Hope to cya in Vegas for #ATDTK. Til then https://t.co/8xKUK5eqMk. May the force … https://t.co/rI5Nx1cQuZ
9:27 PM write2tg Qwrap) Wow! This was so much fun. Taruna from Vancouver. I should really blog more frequently. https://t.co/oqgk8by82G #lrnchat
9:27 PM Quinnovator aW) blog at https://t.co/Nm5yXCtwur, work thru https://t.co/FfFRKQew2t, instigate at https://t.co/riPao8fpZx #lrnchat Happy Holidays!
9:27 PM 4KM Alice MacGillivray: independent consultant working w the intersections of #KM-learning, leadership and complexity. #lrnchat
9:28 PM susangenden #lrnchat By participating, sharing knowledge, I learned more about what I know. Also learned from others sharing.
9:28 PM DanHirtEsq Dan Hirt, Fort Worth Texas. https://t.co/e8QIqCjxNl if you know of any speakers in the DFW area let me know! #lrnchat
9:28 PM avanbarn A7: DOING is really the key to expertise, but mindful and reflective doing – use the PLN and do it out loud. #lrnchat
9:28 PM urbie #lrnchat Awrap urbie, instructional designer. I’m presenting https://t.co/od5q3VVGRQ at #lscon.. see you there.
9:29 PM CandiceCPLP A7) I need to get better at identifying – and researching-trends I don’t find particularly interesting #lrnchat
9:30 PM CandiceCPLP #lrnchat Awrap) That was fast! Have a great holiday all, from Candice in Oregon.
9:30 PM ryantracey Merry Christmas , happy holidays, here’s to a great 2016!!! 🎅 🎄 🍗 🍸 👍 #lrnchat
9:30 PM mscardiff awrap) mc at kc signing off! great chat all #lrnchat
9:30 PM DanHirtEsq Thanks to the moderators! (I’ve heard they’re all as good looking as Australians!!!) #lrnchat
9:30 PM 4KM @CandiceCPLP Perhaps because trends often get disrupted? We often only see big trends in retrospect? #lrnchat
9:30 PM lrnchat Thanks everyone for joining #lrnchat tonight. We’ll return on January 7, 2016! Look for weekly transcripts at https://t.co/ijNIXq164N