Transcript – July 3: Data Denial – why unfounded ideas about learning persist

8:30 PM lrnchat Welcome everyone to #lrnchat! How have you been?
8:31 PM JaneBozarth @NOVAeducation Well, I’m smart enough to know not to spam #lrnchat
8:31 PM JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat Welcome everyone to #lrnchat! How have you been?
8:31 PM willconstantine Here we go! #lrnchat
8:32 PM lodtrain glad to be at #lrnchat been great #lazydays vaca
8:32 PM SLDoyle67 Yay! #lrnchat time!
8:32 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat Welcome everyone to #lrnchat! How have you been?
8:32 PM kelly_smith01 RT @lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat! How have you been?
8:32 PM lrnchat Please introduce yourselves. Passions? Projects? What are you working on these days? #lrnchat
8:32 PM willconstantine I feel like things are coming together. #lrnchat
8:32 PM LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat! How have you been?
8:33 PM lrnchat Tonight’s #lrnchat theme:data denial & why unfounded ideas about learning persist
8:33 PM willconstantine Will Constantine, ID Neuroscience, I have many different pieces to put together #lrnchat
8:33 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat Please introduce yourselves. Passions? Projects? What are you working on these days? #lrnchat
8:33 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat Tonight’s #lrnchat theme:data denial & why unfounded ideas about learning persist
8:33 PM kelly_smith01 Kelly Smith – drifter – somewhere in Texas #lrnchat
8:34 PM JaneBozarth Jane in Raleigh-Durham NC. Hunkering down in solidarity with friends on the coast awaiting Arthur’s arrival #lrnchat
8:34 PM SLDoyle67 RT @lrnchat: Tonight’s #lrnchat theme:data denial & why unfounded ideas about learning persist
8:34 PM lodtrain #lrnchat working on strategy for next 18 months for IT education. That is after vaca
8:34 PM eLearninCyclops @JaneBozarth Be safe #lrnchat
8:34 PM willconstantine Arthur says hello #lrnchat
8:34 PM JaneBozarth Passionate about #showyourwork and finding performance solutions that don’t involve ‘courses’ #lrnchat
8:34 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Tonight’s #lrnchat theme:data denial & why unfounded ideas about learning persist
8:35 PM JaneBozarth @eLearninCyclops We’re way inland so should be ok. Coast getting pounded tonight. #lrnchat
8:35 PM LnDDave Greetings all. David from NY. Hope everyone is well. #lrnchat
8:35 PM eLearninCyclops Jeff – eLearning Guy in Maryland, working on fun vacation this week. #lrnchat
8:35 PM Quinnovator time agin for the 60 mins of memestream mayhem that is #lrnchat (duck or, better yet, join!). Welcome to new and returning participants!
8:35 PM LnDDave RT @eLearninCyclops: RT @lrnchat Tonight’s #lrnchat theme:data denial & why unfounded ideas about learning persist
8:36 PM WonderPix Hi! Anyone else ready for a fun long weekend? #lrnchat
8:36 PM britz Dipping in for a spell of #lrnchat for just a bit. Mark Britz, in THE Syracuse, NY. L&D agent of change or something like that.
8:36 PM criticallearner Joining #lrnchat after a long absence- I am torqued up, so for the next hr+ my tweets are coming fast, furious and unfiltered (join or duck)
8:36 PM eLearninCyclops @JaneBozarth Stay inland🙂 Hopefully the coast won’t get it too bad #lrnchat
8:36 PM criticallearner RT @lrnchat: Tonight’s #lrnchat theme:data denial & why unfounded ideas about learning persist
8:36 PM JaneBozarth Side note: I have just aquired a banjolele circa 1925. And I know how to use it. #BeAfraid #lrnchat
8:36 PM SLDoyle67 Hi folks. Sharon from Calgary. Working on PM scheduling and EVM. #lrnchat
8:37 PM Quinnovator Clark Quinn, denial denier, L&D change instigator, up to mischief this year, Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
8:37 PM JaneBozarth @SLDoyle67 Calgary! Lucky you… #lrnchat
8:37 PM britz MT @Quinnovator: time agin for the 60 mins of memestream mayhem that is #lrnchat (duck or, better yet, join!)
8:37 PM Quinnovator RT @JaneBozarth: Side note: I have just aquired a banjolele circa 1925. And I know how to use it. #BeAfraid #lrnchat < #BeVeryAfraid
8:37 PM DesertOasisX03 #lrnchat Rakesh Kashyap, software trainer in Columbia, MD, second lrnchat! Hi all!
8:37 PM willconstantine This week my blog post was published to ATD’s website and I mention #lrnchat http://t.co/WYWZAkebSW
8:37 PM kelly_smith01 Trying to recall all the lyrics to “Fifty Nifty United States” #lrnchat
8:37 PM criticallearner Hi #lrnchat folks, David Glow, Tampa. Doing lots of storyline stuff when I am not modeling (funny, but true) and cruising.
8:37 PM kmarranzino Indeed!
“@WonderPix: Hi! Anyone else ready for a fun long weekend? #lrnchat”
8:38 PM JaneBozarth RT @willconstantine This week my blog post was published to ATD’s website and I mention #lrnchat http://t.co/SrwFaYa2OX
8:38 PM willconstantine @criticallearner welcome! #lrnchat
8:38 PM Quinnovator RT @willconstantine: This week my blog post was published to ATD’s website and I mention #lrnchat http://t.co/1fM8N2Efs3 < way to go!
8:38 PM lrnchat Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:38 PM eLearninCyclops @DesertOasisX03 Hi Rakesh – Good to see another Marylander in here. #lrnchat
8:38 PM britz @kelly_smith01 I can have my 8yo call you after this #lrnchat
8:38 PM kmarranzino Joining #lrnchat for a bit. Feel free to mute me if you’re not a learning pro. If you are, join us!
8:38 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:38 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:38 PM lodtrain RT @Quinnovator: RT @willconstantine: This week my blog post was published to ATD’s website and I mention #lrnchat http://t.co/1fM8N2Efs3 <…
8:38 PM kelly_smith01 RT @willconstantine: This week my blog post was published to ATD’s website and I mention #lrnchat http://t.co/WYWZAkebSW
8:39 PM nancysafar hi Folks! it’s been awhile. Gonna join in the #lrnchat convo tonight
8:39 PM DesertOasisX03 @eLearninCyclops Hi Jeff! #lrnchat Hope you’re staying dry today!
8:39 PM criticallearner RT @JaneBozarth: Coming to #lrnchat tonight? Prereading: http://t.co/gJK5KhOolF
8:39 PM willconstantine Q1) Give us reasons (excuses) for under performance #lrnchat
8:39 PM eLearninCyclops @DesertOasisX03 I am #lrnchat
8:39 PM criticallearner RT @lrnchat: Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:39 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:39 PM JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:39 PM JaneBozarth RT @willconstantine Q1) Give us reasons (excuses) for under performance #lrnchat
8:39 PM britz A1 sadly it’s because they “feel” right #lrnchat
8:39 PM Quinnovator a1) because they appeal to obvious differences, clearly people differ as learners, and we change as we age, but… #lrnchat
8:39 PM JaneBozarth Q1 Same reason astrology is? #lrnchat
8:39 PM kelly_smith01 RT @lrnchat: Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:40 PM eLearninCyclops RT @kelly_smith01 RT @willconstantine: This week my blog post was published to ATD’s website and I mention #lrnchat http://t.co/Q8aXjRPsCk
8:40 PM LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:40 PM kmarranzino Ken Marranzino, learning manager – design, financial services. #lrnchat
8:40 PM Quinnovator RT @JaneBozarth: Q1 Same reason astrology is? #lrnchat < love it!
8:40 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A1> Discredited stuff persists because folks invested in learning it, thus don’t want to discredit (habits die hard, unlearning),
8:40 PM sellio7 RT @lrnchat: Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:40 PM lodtrain #lrnchat q1 appealing based on experience (intiuition) folks learn differently and engaging is key
8:40 PM willconstantine Tonight I am using TweetChat #lrnchat
8:40 PM tomspiglanin RT @LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:41 PM eLearninCyclops MT @criticallearner A1> Discredited stuff persists because folks invested in learning it, thus don’t want to discredit.., #lrnchat
8:41 PM kelly_smith01 Q1) They provide ammunition for those avoiding change or doing it a new way #lrnchat
8:41 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A1> For the record, my MBTI type is STFU
8:41 PM willconstantine Q1) also we should create learning based on behavior not personality #lrnchat
8:41 PM JaneBozarth People do love them an expensive certification course… #lrnchat
8:41 PM LnDDave RT @britz: A1 sadly it’s because they “feel” right #lrnchat
8:41 PM lodtrain RT @eLearninCyclops: MT @criticallearner A1> Discredited stuff persists because folks invested in learning it, thus don’t want to discredit…
8:41 PM SLDoyle67 A1) They’re heard of more than underpinning theories of ID. Those not trained in ID can cling to them as justification for design. #lrnchat
8:41 PM eLearninCyclops RT @LnDDave RT @britz: A1 sadly it’s because they “feel” right #lrnchat
8:41 PM willconstantine @kelly_smith01Yes this is true #lrnchat
8:41 PM JaneBozarth @criticallearner Tweet of the night! … already #lrnchat
8:41 PM Quinnovator a1) differentiation is valuable and naturally appealing. most aren’t, unfortunately, discerning enough tho’ #lrnchat
8:42 PM kmarranzino A1) Because everyone believed for so long, assumption is that it must be true. Like notion that world is flat. #lrnchat
8:42 PM tomspiglanin Q1) Typical, blame the participants for not learning… #lrnchat
8:42 PM kelly_smith01 Q1) Discredited stuff validates some people and their ideas and policies #lrnchat
8:42 PM sellio7 @lrnchat q1) some are lazy so they just accept old concepts. Easier then researching. #lrnchat
8:42 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A1> Same reason folks don’t believe global warming data, evolution, etc… beliefs drive, facts don’t (we are not logical beings)
8:42 PM sellio7 RT @JaneBozarth: Q1 Same reason astrology is? #lrnchat
8:42 PM LnDDave RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat A1> For the record, my MBTI type is STFU
8:43 PM criticallearner RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) They provide ammunition for those avoiding change or doing it a new way #lrnchat
8:43 PM willconstantine @tomspiglanin Yes it’s never the instructor! #lrnchat
8:43 PM Quinnovator a1) what’s with the appeal of the “what X are you” quizzes? People want to understand themselves #lrnchat
8:43 PM JaneBozarth RT @criticallearner RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) They provide ammunition for those avoiding change or doing it a new way #lrnchat
8:43 PM tomspiglanin YES, intuition says the data are wrong😦 RT @eLearninCyclops RT @LnDDave RT @britz: A1 sadly it’s because they “feel” right #lrnchat
8:43 PM sellio7 RT @eLearninCyclops: RT @LnDDave RT @britz: A1 sadly it’s because they “feel” right #lrnchat
8:43 PM JaneBozarth “Not my fault.” #lrnchat
8:43 PM kmarranzino A1) Because it’s easy. Lots of examples of how to build learning programs for “learning styles” exist. #lrnchat
8:44 PM JaneBozarth RT @kmarranzino A1) Because it’s easy. Lots of examples of how to build learning programs for “learning styles” exist. #lrnchat
8:44 PM criticallearner RT @sellio7: @lrnchat q1) some are lazy so they just accept old concepts. Easier then researching. #lrnchat >Lazy helps for sure.
8:44 PM Quinnovator RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat A1> For the record, my MBTI type is STFU
8:44 PM JaneBozarth Because if you tell a lie often enough it becomes true? #lrnchat
8:44 PM tomspiglanin Keep that attitude and I’ll learn you a lesson… RT @JaneBozarth “Not my fault.” #lrnchat
8:44 PM sellio7 RT @willconstantine: Tonight I am using TweetChat #lrnchat
8:44 PM Quinnovator RT @britz: A1 sadly it’s because they “feel” right #lrnchat
8:44 PM kmarranzino RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat A1> Same reason folks don’t believe global warming data, evolution, etc… beliefs drive, facts don’t (we are…
8:44 PM DesertOasisX03 #lrnchat A1 aren’t certain discredited things worth exploring? Not personality types or learning styles but something more legit
8:44 PM britz “@Quinnovator: a1) what’s with the appeal of the “what X are you” quizzes? People want to understand themselves #lrnchat”
8:44 PM criticallearner RT @Quinnovator: a1) what’s with the appeal of the “what X are you” quizzes? People want to understand themselves #lrnchat >insightful!
8:44 PM willconstantine Q1) We need to up our ante about the way people learn because these “learning styles” are actually not real #lrnchat
8:44 PM nancysafar Q1) It’s hard for ppl to “reprogram” the brain patterns #lrnchat
8:44 PM kelly_smith01 They do not leave fingerprints or an audit trail #lrnchat
8:44 PM WonderPix “@Quinnovator: a1) what’s with the appeal of the “what X are you” quizzes? People want to understand themselves #lrnchat” >and they are fun
8:45 PM willconstantine @nancysafar Yes it is very difficult but people can do it. #lrnchat
8:45 PM eLearninCyclops Q1) People love to categorize things including people (sadly) #lrnchat
8:45 PM sellio7 RT @JaneBozarth: People do love them an expensive certification course… #lrnchat
8:45 PM criticallearner @JaneBozarth #lrnchat isn’t that the Costanza logic from Sienfeld?
8:46 PM LnDDave If it feels right, so what if it doesn’t hold up to research. #lrnchat
8:46 PM SLDoyle67 A1) Easier to say “I’m a yellow” or “I’m a ENTJ” to explain away why you can/can’t do things. #lrnchat
8:46 PM willconstantine @eLearninCyclops The think that because they “identified” the category the work is complete #lrnchat
8:46 PM Quinnovator RT @LnDDave: If it feels right, so what if it doesn’t hold up to research. #lrnchat < “it’s *intuitively* right”
8:46 PM LnDDave RT @britz: “@Quinnovator: a1) what’s with the appeal of the “what X are you” quizzes? People want to understand themselves #lrnchat”
8:46 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A1> Many are appealing because they simplify things that are in fact, much more complex and nuanced so we feel we can manage it.
8:47 PM eLearninCyclops @willconstantine The box is checked🙂 #lrnchat
8:47 PM lrnchat Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:47 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:47 PM kmarranzino RT @LnDDave: If it feels right, so what if it doesn’t hold up to research. #lrnchat
8:47 PM JaneBozarth YES RT @SLDoyle67 A1) Easier to say “I’m a yellow” or “I’m a ENTJ” to explain away why you can/can’t do things. #lrnchat
8:47 PM kelly_smith01 If you “sell” MBTI – you can say “Hey pal, I’m certified. What are you?” #lrnchat
8:47 PM Quinnovator a1) obviously people differ, and we want to understand; intuitive is more appealing than ‘scientific’ #lrnchat
8:47 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:47 PM JaneBozarth RT @willconstantine RT @lrnchat Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:47 PM nancysafar RT @lrnchat Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:47 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:47 PM kmarranzino RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat A1> Many are appealing because they simplify things that are in fact, much more complex and nuanced so we fee…
8:47 PM shoobe01 RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat A1> For the record, my MBTI type is STFU
8:47 PM willconstantine Q2) If I see one more tactic for understanding Big Data I am going to scream #lrnchat
8:48 PM kelly_smith01 RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:48 PM LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:48 PM JaneBozarth q2. “GENERATIONS”! #lrnchat
8:48 PM SLDoyle67 A2) You must provide a bulleted list of “The learners will be able to….” for every course. #lrnchat
8:48 PM JaneBozarth q2 “Digital Natives” !! #lrnchat
8:48 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A1> If you take away the easy model, then we actually have to really look at it critically.
8:48 PM Quinnovator a2) snakeoil: generations, digital natives, learning styles, dale’s cone, ‘rapid’ elearning, #lrnchat
8:48 PM WonderPix Q2) if a learner passes the test, they surely learned. #lrnchat
8:48 PM criticallearner RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:48 PM JaneBozarth RT @criticallearner #lrnchat A1> If you take away the easy model, then we actually have to really look at it critically.
8:48 PM willconstantine Q2) We also see it all the time in elearning people still do not understand that learning is not LINEAR! #lrnchat
8:48 PM LnDDave A2) The social LMS. #lrnchat
8:48 PM tomspiglanin RT @criticallearner RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:49 PM willconstantine RT @WonderPix Q2) if a learner passes the test, they surely learned. #lrnchat
8:49 PM stipton Absolutely! yes. @willconstantine: Q2) If I see one more tactic for understanding Big Data I am going to scream #lrnchat”
8:49 PM kmarranzino A2) That we as human beings only use 10% of our brains. Even the @MythBusters disproved that one. #lrnchat
8:49 PM LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: q2. “GENERATIONS”! #lrnchat
8:49 PM kelly_smith01 Q2) Many things (not everything) that requires a workshop to “train” everyone on it. #lrnchat
8:49 PM Quinnovator RT @kmarranzino: A2) That we as human beings only use 10% of our brains. Even the @MythBusters disproved that one. #lrnchat
8:49 PM WonderPix “@SLDoyle67: A2) You must provide a bulleted list of “The learners will be able to….” for every course. #lrnchat” >hate those!
8:49 PM lodtrain RT @WonderPix: Q2) if a learner passes the test, they surely learned. #lrnchat
8:49 PM Quinnovator RT @LnDDave: A2) The social LMS. #lrnchat
8:49 PM lodtrain RT @kmarranzino: A2) That we as human beings only use 10% of our brains. Even the @MythBusters disproved that one. #lrnchat
8:50 PM willconstantine Q2) also people think the newest trend will solve the world’s learning problems #lrnchat
8:50 PM tomspiglanin Q2) Pre-test, post-test. Level 1 Evaluations. Bullet points. #lrnchat
8:50 PM Quinnovator a2) all you need is our ‘all singing, all dancing’ solution for all your ills #lrnchat
8:50 PM Quinnovator RT @tomspiglanin: Q2) Pre-test, post-test. Level 1 Evaluations. Bullet points. #lrnchat
8:50 PM atomic_learning Check out our Spotlight: Collaborating with a Global Community http://t.co/1YKJ5lK3Sq #edtech #edchat #lrnchat
8:50 PM nancysafar Q2) Interactivity levels #lrnchat
8:50 PM WonderPix Q2) Training fixes every problem #lrnchat
8:50 PM Quinnovator RT @WonderPix: Q2) if a learner passes the test, they surely learned. #lrnchat
8:50 PM JaneBozarth q2. “ROI” of training #lrnchat
8:50 PM eLearninCyclops Q2) Engagement Surveys #lrnchat
8:50 PM SLDoyle67 A2) Every eLearning requires a test/quiz to ensure the learner learned. #lrnchat
8:50 PM britz Q0 that an ancient alien race taught us razors would stay sharpened if kept under a cardboard pyramid #lrnchat (workin the theme here)
8:50 PM willconstantine @tomspiglanin I just read about all those items you mentioned and how to change it completely #lrnchat people are trying
8:50 PM JaneBozarth 2 “Knowledge” “Management” #lrnchat
8:50 PM lodtrain RT @WonderPix: Q2) Training fixes every problem #lrnchat
8:50 PM JaneBozarth Q0 that the next named storm will be Bertha #lrnchat
8:51 PM lodtrain RT @eLearninCyclops: Q2) Engagement Surveys #lrnchat
8:51 PM LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: q2. “ROI” of training #lrnchat
8:51 PM kmarranzino RT @WonderPix: Q2) Training fixes every problem #lrnchat
8:51 PM Quinnovator a2) we need to make sure they cn’t click next until enough time’s gone by, they *have* to read it #lrnchat
8:51 PM JaneBozarth Q0 that a dogless boy and a boyless dog can prove delightfully mutually exhausting #lrnchat
8:51 PM tomspiglanin RT @LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: q2. “ROI” of training #lrnchat
8:51 PM Quinnovator a2) social ‘management’ #lrnchat
8:51 PM willconstantine RT @lodtrain RT @eLearninCyclops: Q2) Engagement Surveys #lrnchat
8:51 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A2> Learning Management. <drops mic>
8:51 PM LnDDave A2) The social learning platform #lrnchat
8:52 PM britz “@LnDDave: If it feels right, so what if it doesn’t hold up to research. #lrnchat” / many have been taught to question authority too
8:52 PM JaneBozarth q2 “managing” social learning #lrnchat
8:52 PM SLDoyle67 @Quinnovator Some still think clicking is “interactive” #lrnchat
8:52 PM criticallearner RT @tomspiglanin: RT @LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: q2. “ROI” of training #lrnchat
8:52 PM kelly_smith01 Q2) I have a wonderful and proven Social Learning package I offer with a workbook #lrnchat
8:52 PM willconstantine There seems to be a lot of smoke and mirrors in the learning profession because of all the changes. #lrnchat
8:52 PM eLearninCyclops RT @SLDoyle67 @Quinnovator Some still think clicking is “interactive” #lrnchat
8:52 PM Quinnovator RT @SLDoyle67: @Quinnovator Some still think clicking is “interactive” #lrnchat
8:52 PM kmarranzino True dat! I try to steer business partners toward “ROE” (expectations).
“@JaneBozarth: q2. “ROI” of training #lrnchat”
8:52 PM willconstantine @kelly_smith01WOW a workbook #lrnchat
8:52 PM criticallearner RT @SLDoyle67: A2) Every eLearning requires a test/quiz to ensure the learner learned. #lrnchat
8:52 PM kelly_smith01 RT @JaneBozarth: q2 “managing” social learning #lrnchat
8:52 PM tomspiglanin A2) The learning organization. #lrnchat
8:52 PM eLearninCyclops Q2) 9 to 5 #lrnchat
8:52 PM lodtrain RT @SLDoyle67: @Quinnovator Some still think clicking is “interactive” #lrnchat
8:52 PM kmarranzino RT @SLDoyle67: A2) Every eLearning requires a test/quiz to ensure the learner learned. #lrnchat
8:52 PM JaneBozarth RT @tomspiglanin A2) The learning organization. #lrnchat
8:53 PM willconstantine @criticallearner @SLDoyle67 and that the test verifies that point #lrnchat
8:53 PM britz @lrnchat: Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat”
8:53 PM Quinnovator a2) gamification #lrnchat
8:53 PM tomspiglanin A2) This thing called the, “Social Media Policy.” #lrnchat
8:53 PM stipton Engage the brain not the mouse! @SLDoyle67: @Quinnovator Some still think clicking is “interactive” #lrnchat”
8:53 PM MJK60631 RT @lrnchat: Q1) Why are discredited ideas like personality types & teaching to learning styles so appealing? #lrnchat
8:53 PM lodtrain RT @eLearninCyclops: Q2) 9 to 5 #lrnchat
8:53 PM Quinnovator a2) that cost/seat/hour is a meaningful metric #lrnchat
8:53 PM sueprendo #lrnchat a1. people love to know about themselves, e.g. learning what “type” of person they are. It gives us an excuse to avoid change?
8:53 PM LnDDave A2) The “publish to mobile” button. #lrnchat
8:53 PM lodtrain RT @Quinnovator: a2) gamification #lrnchat
8:54 PM willconstantine @Quinnovator People don’t realize that the entire learning experience doesn’t have to be ramified. #lrnchat
8:54 PM Quinnovator RT @stipton: Engage the brain not the mouse! #lrnchat” < like that!
8:54 PM stipton Q2) office face time #lrnchat
8:54 PM JaneBozarth @tomspiglanin Right. Your workers already have a ‘social media policy’. If you’re lucky they told you what it is. #lrnchat
8:54 PM sellio7 RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some other “snake oil” products, services, beliefs, or practices? #lrnchat
8:54 PM lrnchat Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:54 PM Quinnovator RT @LnDDave: A2) The “publish to mobile” button. #lrnchat <🙂
8:54 PM MJK60631 RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat A1> Many are appealing because they simplify things that are in fact, much more complex and nuanced so we fee…
8:54 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:54 PM JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:54 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:54 PM willconstantine @Quinnovator I mean gamified #lrnchat
8:54 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:54 PM SLDoyle67 A2) My organization believes everything we are calling ‘snake oil’, and I am the only ID on the team…change takes time #lrnchat
8:54 PM eLearninCyclops Q3) Look at the results #lrnchat
8:55 PM tomspiglanin Yikes, the “training hours = smart people” snake oil RT @Quinnovator a2) that cost/seat/hour is a meaningful metric #lrnchat
8:55 PM reubentozman q3) Take the blue pill
#lrnchat
8:55 PM willconstantine Q3) We have to try it out ourselves and see the outcome. #lrnchat
8:55 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A2 > Print/classroom is dead so use <e-something>
8:55 PM tomspiglanin RT @lrnchat Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:55 PM Quinnovator a3) Demand the research #lrnchat
8:55 PM stipton RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:55 PM LnDDave A2) That Training “deserves” a seat at the table. #lrnchat
8:55 PM tomspiglanin RT @LnDDave A2) That Training “deserves” a seat at the table. #lrnchat
8:55 PM lodtrain #lrnchat q3 review lessons learned from your big training rollouts 3 true success factors etc
8:55 PM kmarranzino RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:55 PM nancysafar Q3) Research. Analyze. Take Control…. don’t just follow #lrnchat
8:55 PM criticallearner RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:55 PM LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:55 PM willconstantine RT @nancysafar Q3) Research. Analyze. Take Control…. don’t just follow #lrnchat
8:55 PM kelly_smith01 Q3) Well particpate in #lrnchat and read damn it read #lrnchat
8:55 PM SLDoyle67 @stipton Yes! Even thought being in the office is not conducive to my learning style!😉 #lrnchat
8:55 PM Quinnovator RT @eLearninCyclops: Q3) Look at the results #lrnchat
8:55 PM eLearninCyclops RT @nancysafar Q3) Research. Analyze. Take Control…. don’t just follow #lrnchat
8:56 PM sellio7 Q2) the belief that training fixes everything. “I will train away that problem” #lrnchat
8:56 PM Quinnovator RT @kelly_smith01: Q3) particpate in #lrnchat and read damn it read #lrnchat < what he said
8:56 PM eLearninCyclops Q3) Is the guy selling it wearing a plaid suit? #lrnchat
8:56 PM willconstantine Q3) We must take action in order to discover what works and what doesn’t #lrnchat
8:56 PM Quinnovator RT @sellio7: Q2) the belief that training fixes everything. “I will train away that problem” #lrnchat
8:56 PM lodtrain RT @eLearninCyclops: RT @nancysafar Q3) Research. Analyze. Take Control…. don’t just follow #lrnchat
8:56 PM JaneBozarth RT @Quinnovator RT @kelly_smith01: Q3) particpate in #lrnchat and read damn it read #lrnchat < what he said
8:56 PM stipton Q3) do your own research, tribal knowledge isn’t & rarely is, reliable or dependable. #lrnchat
8:56 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A2> not only is seat time as evidence of learning snake oil, it’s downright dangerous when real biz analyst looks at that metrics
8:56 PM sellio7 RT @JaneBozarth: RT @lrnchat Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat
8:56 PM SLDoyle67 RT @Quinnovator: a3) Demand the research #lrnchat
8:56 PM sellio7 RT @eLearninCyclops: RT @nancysafar Q3) Research. Analyze. Take Control…. don’t just follow #lrnchat
8:56 PM sellio7 RT @kelly_smith01: Q3) Well particpate in #lrnchat and read damn it read #lrnchat
8:56 PM JaneBozarth FIND the research. READ the research. Find out WHO FUNDED the research. #lrnchat
8:57 PM willconstantine RT @JaneBozarth FIND the research. READ the research. Find out WHO FUNDED the research. #lrnchat
8:57 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A3> How can you separate “real” from “snake oil”: the google.
8:57 PM Quinnovator a3) evaluate who’s giving the message, and what their stake in the game is #lrnchat
8:57 PM eLearninCyclops RT @JaneBozarth FIND the research. READ the research. Find out WHO FUNDED the research. #lrnchat
8:57 PM criticallearner RT @stipton: Q3) do your own research, tribal knowledge isn’t & rarely is, reliable or dependable. #lrnchat
8:57 PM britz Q2. That learning can be managed #lrnchat
8:57 PM lodtrain “@stipton: Q3) do your own research, tribal knowledge isn’t & rarely is, reliable or dependable. #lrnchat”agreed
8:57 PM kmarranzino A3) Published research findings, data, or here’s a wild idea; your own past learning program results. #lrnchat
8:57 PM Quinnovator RT @britz: Q2. That learning can be managed #lrnchat < heresy!
8:57 PM LnDDave A3) ask the salesman to speak to some of the users. #lrnchat
8:57 PM criticallearner RT @kelly_smith01: Q3) Well particpate in #lrnchat and read damn it read #lrnchat
8:58 PM WonderPix “@eLearninCyclops: Q3) Is the guy selling it wearing a plaid suit? #lrnchat”>andtalkingsuperfastnonstop🙂
8:58 PM sellio7 Q3) have a rigorous needs assessment and execute your plan based on that don’t let those uninformed sway you. #lrnchat
8:58 PM stipton I so hate that term, no wonder businesses don’t take us seriously. @Quinnovator: a2) gamification #lrnchat”
8:58 PM kelly_smith01 Q3) Read articles with citations – read the cited articles – validate validate #lrnchat
8:58 PM LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: FIND the research. READ the research. Find out WHO FUNDED the research. #lrnchat
8:58 PM Quinnovator a3) “Show me the money!” #lrnchat
8:58 PM willconstantine Q3) You have to find the meaning for yourself and make sense of it. People telling you it works doesn’t you. #lrnchat
8:58 PM tomspiglanin A3) If the phrase begins, “In my experience…” it’s usually followed by snake oil. #lrnchat
8:58 PM lodtrain “@LnDDave: A3) ask the salesman to speak to some of the users. #lrnchat” usability studies/data
8:58 PM kelly_smith01 RT @JaneBozarth: FIND the research. READ the research. Find out WHO FUNDED the research. #lrnchat
8:58 PM sueprendo #lrnchat a3 taking the time – measure actual performance change, align to business goals. Focus on actions!
8:58 PM Ed_Tech_ RT @atomic_learning: Check out our Spotlight: Collaborating with a Global Community http://t.co/1YKJ5lK3Sq #edtech #edchat #lrnchat
8:58 PM criticallearner RT @Quinnovator: a3) evaluate who’s giving the message, and what their stake in the game is #lrnchat > LMS ratings published by LMS orgs
8:58 PM lodtrain RT @willconstantine: Q3) You have to find the meaning for yourself and make sense of it. People telling you it works doesn’t you. #lrnchat
8:59 PM willconstantine @Ed_Tech_ @atomic_learning NO SPAM #lrnchat
8:59 PM sellio7 Q3) don’t be afraid or too political when expressing yourself. If the theory is flawed voice your informed stance #lrnchat
8:59 PM Quinnovator RT @WonderPix: @eLearninCyclops: Q3) Is guy selling it wearing plaid suit? #lrnchat >andtalkingsuperfastnonstop🙂 < so I should stop that?
8:59 PM reubentozman q3) Question everything. Argue. Don’t be afraid to look like an ass. #lrnchat
8:59 PM britz “@tomspiglanin: A2) The learning organization. #lrnchat”
8:59 PM willconstantine RT @reubentozman q3) Question everything. Argue. Don’t be afraid to look like an ass. #lrnchat
8:59 PM Collabor8Alex #lrnchat if it contains bullet points- it’s snake oil!
8:59 PM JaneBozarth Find out WHO FUNDED the research. MBTI granted money partly on promise that research would promote it http://t.co/Jx32DZNxzB #lrnchat
8:59 PM kmarranzino RT @criticallearner: RT @Quinnovator: a3) evaluate who’s giving the message, and what their stake in the game is #lrnchat > LMS ratings pu…
9:00 PM drubeli A1. They are easy to understand. #lrnchat
9:00 PM Quinnovator a3) ask the tough/challenging questions (don’t be ‘nice’, be real) #lrnchat
9:00 PM eLearninCyclops @Quinnovator @WonderPix Yes, or at least tone it done a bit🙂 #lrnchat
9:00 PM lodtrain #lrnchat q3 ask for free pilot 😜
9:00 PM Quinnovator RT @reubentozman: q3) Question everything. Argue. Don’t be afraid to look like an ass. #lrnchat
9:00 PM criticallearner RT @reubentozman: q3) Question everything. Argue. Don’t be afraid to look like an ass. #lrnchat > I seem to have expertise in that area.
9:00 PM eLearninCyclops @Quinnovator @WonderPix At least lose the white belt. #lrnchat
9:00 PM LnDDave A3) Don’t believe the hype. #lrnchat
9:00 PM JaneBozarth LEARN TO READ RESEARCH. #lrnchat
9:01 PM Quinnovator RT @JaneBozarth: LEARN TO READ RESEARCH. #lrnchat < that. So that.
9:01 PM sellio7 RT @JaneBozarth: Find out WHO FUNDED the research. MBTI granted money partly on promise that research would promote it http://t.co/Jx32DZNx…
9:01 PM JaneBozarth If it comes with a mug… #lrnchat
9:01 PM lodtrain RT @JaneBozarth: LEARN TO READ RESEARCH. #lrnchat
9:01 PM LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: LEARN TO READ RESEARCH. #lrnchat
9:01 PM sellio7 RT @lodtrain: #lrnchat q3 ask for free pilot 😜
9:01 PM willconstantine RT @JaneBozarth If it comes with a mug… #lrnchat
9:01 PM reubentozman There is no such thing as it will work. It has to work for you. If it works for you, it works. Don’t buy into theory #lrnchat
9:02 PM kelly_smith01 Anyone that says or implies they have all (or almost all) the answers – does nat have any #lrnchat
9:02 PM SLDoyle67 a3) Stay current. Read. Research. #lrnchat. PLN. Verify. Make yourself heard. Repeat…
9:02 PM reubentozman Nice to see folks. have a great night #lrnchat
9:02 PM willconstantine @reubentozman I totally agree with you #lrnchat
9:02 PM britz @lrnchat: Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat” / build TRUSTED networks
9:02 PM willconstantine RT @SLDoyle67 a3) Stay current. Read. Research. #lrnchat. PLN. Verify. Make yourself heard. Repeat…
9:02 PM Quinnovator a3) Ask for real case studies. Talk to the people independently. Ask for data. #lrnchat
9:03 PM stipton RT @britz: “@lrnchat: Q3) How do we sort the real from the snake oil ? #lrnchat” / build TRUSTED networks
9:03 PM JaneBozarth Turn with a shovel to see if it’s, er, compost. “Generations” is just thinly disguised age discrimination, isn’t it? #lrnchat
9:03 PM eLearninCyclops Q3) If a dev tool – take it for a 30-day test drive and c what happens #lrnchat
9:03 PM Quinnovator a3) do your homework. Know what you’re talking about *before* you talk to them #lrnchat
9:03 PM sellio7 @JaneBozarth that’s not as sexy as quoting something you heard in another training session that was based on some other research. #lrnchat
9:03 PM kelly_smith01 RT @Quinnovator: a3) Ask for real case studies. Talk to the people independently. Ask for data. #lrnchat
9:03 PM JaneBozarth RT @sellio7 @JaneBozarth not as sexy as quoting something you heard in another session that was based on some other research. #lrnchat
9:04 PM SLDoyle67 RT @JaneBozarth: Turn with a shovel to see if it’s, er, compost. “Generations” is just thinly disguised age discrimination, isn’t it? #lrn…
9:04 PM Quinnovator a3) don’t talk to just one vendor, talk to several. Get an outside expert opinion. Look to independent evaluations #lrnchat
9:04 PM britz “@JaneBozarth: Turn w/ a shovel to see if it’s, er, compost. “Generations” is just thinly disguised age discrimination, isn’t it? #lrnchat”
9:04 PM sueprendo #lrnchat #relativenewbie it’s hard to navigate through the tons of L&D content out there. I try to stick to a small amt of credible sources
9:04 PM Quinnovator a3) find the Consumer Reports equivalent for whatever you’re looking for #lrnchat
9:04 PM drubeli Well said, Jane – @JaneBozarth: FIND the research. READ the research. Find out WHO FUNDED the research. #lrnchat
9:04 PM sueprendo RT @willconstantine: RT @SLDoyle67 a3) Stay current. Read. Research. #lrnchat. PLN. Verify. Make yourself heard. Repeat…
9:04 PM JaneBozarth Excellent RT @Quinnovator a3) find the Consumer Reports equivalent for whatever you’re looking for #lrnchat
9:05 PM sellio7 RT @JaneBozarth: Turn with a shovel to see if it’s, er, compost. “Generations” is just thinly disguised age discrimination, isn’t it? #lrn…
9:05 PM lrnchat Q4) How does pseudoscience perpetuate bad practice in education and learning? #lrnchat
9:05 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat Q4) How does pseudoscience perpetuate bad practice in education and learning? #lrnchat
9:05 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q4) How does pseudoscience perpetuate bad practice in education and learning? #lrnchat
9:05 PM kelly_smith01 RT @lrnchat: Q4) How does pseudoscience perpetuate bad practice in education and learning? #lrnchat
9:05 PM JaneBozarth Really? I’m going to tell the CEO he’s a Purple? No. #lrnchat
9:05 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A3> Just remember in asking others/customers/studies… their experience may not transfer to your work culture (keep eyes open)
9:05 PM LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: Excellent RT @Quinnovator a3) find the Consumer Reports equivalent for whatever you’re looking for #lrnchat
9:05 PM JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat Q4) How does pseudoscience perpetuate bad practice in education and learning? #lrnchat
9:05 PM criticallearner RT @lrnchat: Q4) How does pseudoscience perpetuate bad practice in education and learning? #lrnchat
9:05 PM LnDDave RT @britz: “@JaneBozarth: Turn w/ a shovel to see if it’s, er, compost. “Generations” is just thinly disguised age discrimination, isn’t it…
9:05 PM lodtrain “@drubeli: Well said, Jane – @JaneBozarth: FIND the research. READ the research. Find out WHO FUNDED the research. #lrnchat” write to “who
9:05 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q4) How does pseudoscience perpetuate bad practice in education and learning? #lrnchat
9:05 PM sellio7 RT @lrnchat: Q4) How does pseudoscience perpetuate bad practice in education and learning? #lrnchat
9:05 PM Quinnovator a4) easy to conduct studies that show what you want to show, you have to know research methods! #lrnchat
9:05 PM willconstantine Q4) it gives a “scientific” reason and proof to the reasoning #lrnchat
9:05 PM JaneBozarth Q4 keeps us away from performance. Wait… is that the point? #lrnchat
9:06 PM JaneBozarth RT @Quinnovator a4) easy to conduct studies that show what you want to show, you have to know research methods! #lrnchat
9:06 PM willconstantine Q4) you must be able to understand how the brain learns in order to really apply it to learning experiences. #lrnchat
9:06 PM SLDoyle67 a4) It’s readily available and sensationalistic. Those who don’t know better can cling to it. #lrnchat
9:06 PM JaneBozarth RT @SLDoyle67 a4) It’s readily available and sensationalistic. Those who don’t know better can cling to it. #lrnchat
9:06 PM Quinnovator a4) plays on people’s lack of sophistication to drive counterproductive behaviors #lrnchat
9:06 PM JaneBozarth RT @Quinnovator a4) plays on people’s lack of sophistication to drive counterproductive behaviors #lrnchat
9:07 PM stipton Don’t be afraid to challenge conventional thinking. Good things never came from the statement “conventional thinking states…” #lrnchat
9:07 PM willconstantine Q4) Neuroscience should relate to how the learner will perform on the job not how the content should be organized #lrnchat
9:07 PM drubeli A2. Neuroscience explanations for learning phenomena. #malarkey #lrnchat
9:07 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A3> Work with YOUR customers to validate what experience they will have with your targeted practices.
9:07 PM LnDDave A4) nobody challenges research that “feels” right. #lrnchat
9:07 PM JaneBozarth RT @willconstantine Q4) Neuroscience should relate to how learner will perform OTJ not how the content should be organized #lrnchat
9:07 PM criticallearner RT @JaneBozarth: RT @SLDoyle67 a4) It’s readily available and sensationalistic. Those who don’t know better can cling to it. #lrnchat
9:07 PM Quinnovator a4) plays to what you *want* to hear, not what you *need* to hear! #lrnchat
9:07 PM JaneBozarth RT @LnDDave A4) nobody challenges research that “feels” right. #lrnchat
9:07 PM OU812Jensen #lrnchat A4) because we think it gives credibility, but we neglect to incorporate culture of org to make it valid and valuable.
9:07 PM LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: RT @willconstantine Q4) Neuroscience should relate to how learner will perform OTJ not how the content should be organize…
9:08 PM stipton @sueprendo great way to approach it. How do you eat an elephant? #lrnchat
9:08 PM Quinnovator RT @LnDDave: A4) nobody challenges research that “feels” right. #lrnchat < reinforce what I *want* to believe
9:08 PM stipton RT @Quinnovator: a3) find the Consumer Reports equivalent for whatever you’re looking for #lrnchat
9:08 PM willconstantine @drubeli You have to be able to know how the brain functions for yourself, not a company #lrnchat
9:08 PM lodtrain RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat A3> Work with YOUR customers to validate what experience they will have with your targeted practices.
9:08 PM SLDoyle67 a4) Most people don’t know enough regarding stats and how they are (mis)used. If it’s on the Internet it must be true! #lrnchat
9:08 PM Quinnovator RT @SLDoyle67: a4) Most people don’t know enough regarding stats and how they are (mis)used. If it’s on the Internet it must be true! #lrnc…
9:08 PM OU812Jensen RT @Quinnovator: a4) plays to what you *want* to hear, not what you *need* to hear! #lrnchat
9:09 PM lodtrain RT @Quinnovator: RT @LnDDave: A4) nobody challenges research that “feels” right. #lrnchat < reinforce what I *want* to believe
9:09 PM tomspiglanin @LnDDave research feels right when you only ask questions you think you know the answers to, and aren’t too surprised by results #lrnchat
9:09 PM eLearninCyclops RT @OU812Jensen RT @Quinnovator: a4) plays to what you *want* to hear, not what you *need* to hear! #lrnchat
9:09 PM kelly_smith01 Pseudoscience is easy to rationalize or authenticate a product/service which makes things “easier” for an end user. #lrnchat
9:09 PM criticallearner RT @Quinnovator: a4) plays to what you *want* to hear, not what you *need* to hear! #lrnchat < THIS
9:09 PM JaneBozarth RT @criticallearner RT @Quinnovator: a4) plays to what you *want* to hear, not what you *need* to hear! #lrnchat < THIS
9:09 PM LnDDave A4) there’s plenty of educational “research” that is financed by educational product marketing departments. #lrnchat
9:10 PM drubeli Well said, @willconstantine Q4) Neuroscience should relate to how learner will perform OTJ not how the content should be organized #lrnchat
9:10 PM willconstantine Q4) We actually agree with the research that most aligns with our beliefs and not what is right #lrnchat especially execs
9:10 PM willconstantine @drubeli thanks #lrnchat
9:10 PM sueprendo RT @stipton: Don’t be afraid to challenge conventional thinking. Good things never came from the statement “conventional thinking states……
9:10 PM tomspiglanin A4) The research says what??? http://t.co/COdbr6T5El #lrnchat
9:10 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A4> Many like believing comfortable lies vs uncomfortable truths
9:10 PM kelly_smith01 RT @drubeli: Well said, @willconstantine Q4) Neuroscience should relate to how learner will perform OTJ not how the content should be orga…
9:10 PM willconstantine RT @criticallearner #lrnchat A4> Many like believing comfortable lies vs uncomfortable truths
9:11 PM SLDoyle67 RT @willconstantine: Q4) We actually agree with the research that most aligns with our beliefs and not what is right #lrnchat especially ex…
9:11 PM JaneBozarth RT @willconstantine Q4) We actually agree with the research that most aligns with our beliefs and not what is right esp execs #lrnchat
9:11 PM Quinnovator RT @tomspiglanin: A4) The research says what??? http://t.co/2jooY45v5r #lrnchat <😀
9:11 PM stipton @LnDDave research feels right when you only ask questions you think you know the answers to, and aren’t too surprised by results #lrnchat
9:12 PM OU812Jensen #lrnchat A4) regardless of what the research says sometimes we just need to do the right thing and trust our instincts now there’s a concept
9:12 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A4> And, if folks up in higher brass have hung their hat on these things, forget about having them reevaluated.
9:12 PM lrnchat Q6) How can we better work with stakeholders who hold on to gut feelings rather than data? #lrnchat
9:12 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat Q6) How can we better work with stakeholders who hold on to gut feelings rather than data? #lrnchat
9:12 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q6) How can we better work with stakeholders who hold on to gut feelings rather than data? #lrnchat
9:12 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q6) How can we better work with stakeholders who hold on to gut feelings rather than data? #lrnchat
9:12 PM LnDDave The only “science” attached to pseudoscience is the “Law of Attraction”. #lrnchat
9:12 PM lodtrain #lrnchat q4 people look for research that supports their ideas and reject data that disproves #beopen
9:12 PM willconstantine Q3) Usually our “gut feeling” is correct but we over analyze thinking that is what have to do. Don’t over complicate #lrnchat
9:13 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A4> Great resource to debunk most myths we’ve been taught about brains: Medina’s Brain Rules (you will be surprised)
9:13 PM eLearninCyclops Q6) Don’t present it as data #lrnchat
9:13 PM LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q6) How can we better work with stakeholders who hold on to gut feelings rather than data? #lrnchat
9:13 PM Quinnovator a6) show them what it looks like, then show them results #lrnchat
9:13 PM dnlblank Is there research using fMRI data to inform our practice as teachers? #lrnchat
9:13 PM WonderPix Q6) or if they believe bad data? #lrnchat
9:13 PM eLearninCyclops RT @Quinnovator a6) show them what it looks like, then show them results #lrnchat
9:13 PM criticallearner RT @lrnchat: Q6) How can we better work with stakeholders who hold on to gut feelings rather than data? #lrnchat
9:13 PM stipton Go back & look at data again, it can’t be right, said every CEO on the planet. MT @Quinnovator: a4) plays 2 what u *want* to hear! #lrnchat”
9:14 PM JaneBozarth Laugh heartily. Ok maybe don’t. Really, try not to. Try. #lrnchat
9:14 PM OU812Jensen #lrnchat A6) show them the impact of the data, on the learners, the organization, the learning, etc., stakeholders often ascribe vs. felt
9:14 PM Quinnovator a6) show them the money #lrnchat
9:14 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A5> “What results do you need?” Build that- they don’t need to tell you how they think it should be built. Built it right
9:14 PM Quinnovator a6) full court press: the concept, the data, the results, the money. And again and again. #lrnchat
9:15 PM willconstantine Q6) you have to go back and look at it again rather than allowing them to make the decision without the data. 1 in 10 do this. #lrnchat
9:15 PM JaneBozarth 1/2 “when asked how they’d decide if the data contradicted their gut feeling, a mere 10% said they would go with the data.” #lrnchat
9:15 PM eLearninCyclops Q6) Show them the results the competitors received from it #lrnchat
9:15 PM kelly_smith01 Understanding research takes effort and deliberation. There are limitations to conclusions of research as well as solutions. #lrnchat
9:15 PM tomspiglanin Maybe don’t skip Q’s?😉 RT @lrnchat Q6) How can we better work with stakeholders who hold on to gut feelings rather than data? #lrnchat
9:15 PM LnDDave A6) ask for an example of the guy feelings put into action – then wait. #lrnchat
9:15 PM JaneBozarth 2/2 previous tweet from http://t.co/FxNhykgZxQ #lrnchat
9:15 PM SLDoyle67 a6) “gut feelings” are usually all stakeholders have. We need to show them OUR data from our areas of expertise. #lrnchat
9:15 PM Quinnovator a6) show them how the competition is using it and beating them #lrnchat
9:15 PM criticallearner RT @Quinnovator: a6) show them the money #lrnchat >shorter (and better) way of saying what I said
9:15 PM dnlblank Q1) Learning styles has strong narrative. Success stories that shape belief. #lrnchat
9:15 PM nancysafar Dr. Beau Lotto said it best – ” Information data while useful is meaningless …because it can mean anything.” #lrnchat
9:17 PM lrnchat Order/# of Qs tonight my fault. Busy day. And I’m new to #lrnchat so give me a break. And I’m an auditory NSFW millenial. — Jane Bozarth
9:17 PM kelly_smith01 Q6) Maybe some pretty charts with graphs and big letters #lrnchat
9:17 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A5> I dunno, if the exec is telling you HOW to do it, they are not thinking strategically and getting too tactically involved.
9:17 PM Quinnovator @tomspiglanin picky picky picky. Maybe we’re playing with your expectations?🙂 #lrnchat
9:17 PM JaneBozarth Order/# of Qs tonight my fault. Busy day. And I’m new to #lrnchat so give me a break. And I’m an auditory NSFW millenial.
9:17 PM lodtrain RT @kelly_smith01: Q6) Maybe some pretty charts with graphs and big letters #lrnchat
9:18 PM willconstantine Can someone please pull up the article about data and execs. i just read it today and now I can’t find it! #lrnchat
9:18 PM LnDDave A6) ask the CEO to mention the importance of MBTI in the next annual report to shareholders. See how important it is then. #lrnchat
9:18 PM Quinnovator @JaneBozarth ooh, that’s my new MBTI style: NSFW! #lrnchat
9:18 PM OU812Jensen RT @lrnchat: Order/# of Qs tonight my fault. Busy day. And I’m new to #lrnchat so give me a break. And I’m an auditory NSFW millenial. — J…
9:18 PM drubeli A6. Challenge at appropriate moments and model evidence-based practice. #lrnchat
9:18 PM criticallearner A6 #lrnchat> Hopefully, folks should focus on results, not methods at that level. And if the data drives results… (a boy can dream, no?)
9:19 PM stipton A6) it’s about the pain point. Show them the pain point. Be it money or not. Does data solve a pain point. #lrnchat
9:19 PM eLearninCyclops @willconstantine Here u go – http://t.co/V0TsWfLylT #lrnchat
9:19 PM Quinnovator a6) dress up in witch doctor clothing when asked to do something that’s trendy, not true #lrnchat
9:20 PM Quinnovator a6) tell ‘em you can’t, the moon isn’t in the seventh house #lrnchat
9:20 PM JaneBozarth RT @Quinnovator a6) tell ‘em you can’t, the moon isn’t in the seventh house #lrnchat
9:20 PM criticallearner MT @LnDDave: A6) ask the CEO to mention MBTI in the next annual report to shareholders. See how important it is then. #lrnchat >aces!
9:20 PM britz A6 help them to see the error of the judgement. They must own the change in thinking. Don’t rub their nose in the pee stain #lrnchat
9:20 PM willconstantine @eLearninCyclops YES thanks! This is a great article! #lrnchat
9:20 PM stipton A6) you can’t talk research to leadership. You have to present data in their language to be successful #lrnchat
9:20 PM JaneBozarth YES YES @LnDDave: A6) ask the CEO to mention MBTI in the next annual report to shareholders. See how important it is then. #lrnchat
9:21 PM drubeli RT @kelly_smith01: Understanding research takes effort and deliberation. There are limitations to conclusions of research as well as soluti…
9:21 PM lrnchat Q5) What sources do you rely on for research? #lrnchat
9:21 PM britz “@Quinnovator: a6) dress up in witch doctor clothing when asked to do something that’s trendy, not true #lrnchat”
9:21 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q5) What sources do you rely on for research? #lrnchat
9:21 PM willconstantine @stipton Yes I agree with this #lnchat #lrnchat
9:21 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat Q5) What sources do you rely on for research? #lrnchat
9:21 PM JaneBozarth @stipton Not what research says. Did you see this? http://t.co/FxNhykgZxQ #lrnchat
9:21 PM kelly_smith01 Q6) I am a WALUS #lrnchat
9:21 PM willconstantine Q5) Annual reports from credible sources #lrnchat
9:21 PM Quinnovator a5/6) don’t stick to linear orders, go with the flow #lrnchat
9:21 PM stipton “@Quinnovator: a6) show them how the competition is using it and beating them #lrnchat < yes.
9:21 PM lodtrain “@stipton: A6) it’s about the pain point. Show them the pain point. Be it money or not. Does data solve a pain point. #lrnchat”& soln
9:22 PM eLearninCyclops RT @kelly_smith01 Q6) I am a WALUS | Coo coo ca choo ? #lrnchat
9:22 PM willconstantine Q5) Or conduct your own that will be valid to what you are talking to leadership about #lrnchat
9:22 PM nancysafar RT @lrnchat Q5) What sources do you rely on for research? #lrnchat
9:22 PM criticallearner RT @lrnchat: Q5) What sources do you rely on for research? #lrnchat
9:22 PM OU812Jensen #lrnchat A5) @eLearningGuild @TrainingMagUS @TalentCulture @Leadershipfreak @LeadWithGiants I have tons the list is endless.
9:23 PM eLearninCyclops RT @criticallearner RT @lrnchat: Q5) What sources do you rely on for research? #lrnchat
9:23 PM willconstantine Q5) I love reading the research that is conducted but I do not let it persuade me #lrnchat I take it into consideration
9:23 PM Quinnovator a5) @WillWorkLearn, @usablelearning, journal articles, @learningsolmag, @eLearnMag, #lrnchat
9:23 PM stipton @JaneBozarth I did & agree. However, may as well try to set yourself up for success by talking in their language rather than ours. #lrnchat
9:23 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A6> I have often quoted Will T’s bounty for validating studies to debunk folks spouting mythology
9:23 PM willconstantine RT @Quinnovator a5) @WillWorkLearn, @usablelearning, journal articles, @learningsolmag, @eLearnMag, #lrnchat
9:24 PM JaneBozarth @stipton ? #lrnchat
9:24 PM stipton Ha! @LnDDave: A6) ask CEO to mention the importance of MBTI in next annual report to shareholders. See how important it is then. #lrnchat
9:24 PM eLearninCyclops Q5) ATD (ASTD), eLearning Guild #lrnchat
9:24 PM britz @tomspiglanin the original Q5 was deemed to be a myth. We pulled it just in time! #lrnchat
9:24 PM WonderPix “@eLearninCyclops: RT @kelly_smith01 Q6) I am a WALUS | Coo coo ca choo ? #lrnchat” >beat me to it!
9:24 PM OU812Jensen #lrnchat A5) depends on what I need to know, but I don’t know I go find because I’m not a data person on some level so I need the resources.
9:24 PM sueprendo #lrnchat a5 – Will Thalheimer, Learning Solutions Magazine, ASTD
9:24 PM kelly_smith01 Q5) Research is found by finding good articles and checking out the citations/footnotes attached to the article.#lrnchat
9:25 PM criticallearner RT @Quinnovator: a5) @WillWorkLearn, @usablelearning, journal articles, @learningsolmag, @eLearnMag, #lrnchat > THESE
9:25 PM Quinnovator a5) what my trusted network points me too: @JaneBozarth, @C4LPT, @hjarche, @charlesjennings, @jaycross, … #lrnchat
9:25 PM JaneBozarth I teach a college course mostly so I can have access to library/online journals #lrnchat
9:25 PM JaneBozarth RT @criticallearner RT @Quinnovator: a5) @WillWorkLearn, @usablelearning, journal articles, @learningsolmag, @eLearnMag, #lrnchat > THESE
9:25 PM lodtrain RT @kelly_smith01: Q5) Research is found by finding good articles and checking out the citations/footnotes attached to the article.#lrnchat
9:26 PM JaneBozarth Apparently 2 apologies and taking full accountability for issues with tonight’s question order was not enough…. #lrnchat
9:26 PM Quinnovator a5) I serve on journal and conference review boards to track what’s happening #lrnchat
9:26 PM sueprendo @sueprendo #lrnchat a5 Jane @C4LPT
9:26 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A6> NOT anything vendor-sponsored. Ever. I am also suspicious of some of the ratings places that always rate same things as “top”.
9:26 PM kelly_smith01 I am a WALRUS that cannot spell – its these flippers #lrnchat
9:27 PM SLDoyle67 (Husband is chatty tonight. Hard to focus. He doesn’t yet realize how much I enjoy this hour with all of you! #lrnchat)🙂
9:27 PM JaneBozarth Find good curators. If @c4lpt tweets it then I know she’s looked it over. #lrnchat
9:27 PM Joseph_Suarez Well said. RT @LnDDave: The only “science” attached to pseudoscience is the “Law of Attraction”. #lrnchat
9:27 PM lrnchat QWrap. It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
9:27 PM Quinnovator RT @JaneBozarth: Find good curators. If @c4lpt tweets it then I know she’s looked it over. #lrnchat
9:27 PM JaneBozarth . RT @LnDDave: The only “science” attached to pseudoscience is the “Law of Attraction”. #lrnchat
9:27 PM kelly_smith01 RT @JaneBozarth: Find good curators. If @c4lpt tweets it then I know she’s looked it over. #lrnchat
9:28 PM eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat QWrap. It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
9:28 PM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: QWrap. It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat < already?
9:28 PM criticallearner #lrnchat A6> One reason I like eLearning Guild research is the community involvement aspect vs “independent researchers”
9:28 PM stipton @JaneBozarth yes, they will go w/their gut, but you stand a chance of them going w/your L&D data if you don’t speak L&D to them. #lrnchat
9:28 PM lrnchat RT @JaneBozarth: Find good curators. If @c4lpt tweets it then I know she’s looked it over. #lrnchat
9:28 PM Quinnovator aWrap) that was a fun and fast as well as wise and witty #lrnchat, thanks to new and returning participants!
9:28 PM willconstantine RT @lrnchat QWrap. It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
9:28 PM JaneBozarth What he said. RT @Quinnovator aWrap) that was a fun and fast as well as wise and witty #lrnchat, thanks to new and returning participants!
9:28 PM eLearninCyclops Jeff Goldman – eLearning Designer in Baltimore and blogging in cyberspace – http://t.co/gB8qeJNWC9 #lrnchat
9:29 PM SLDoyle67 Jumping ahead – Sharon Doyle signing off. Time for yoga. As always, a pleasure! Check out my blog – http://t.co/w3kJKoIvsq #lrnchat
9:29 PM kelly_smith01 This was a good #lrnchat week and its the day before a holiday
9:29 PM willconstantine QWrap) Will Constantine, ID Neuroscience, looking for an ID opportunity! #lrnchat
9:29 PM lrnchat Thanks everyone for joining #lrnchat tonight. See you next week! Look for weekly transcripts at http://t.co/ijNIXqjfiV