Transcript – January 30: Learning By Making

Suggested readings  seen in this post for this week’s topic: #lrnchat January 30 – Learning by Making

20:31 lrnchat Welcome everyone to #lrnchat! How have you been?
20:31 jackietrains Great! Love tonight’s topic. #lrnchat
20:32 ric9901 Cold! The cold and snow is never-ending here in Michigan… #lrnchat
20:32 DaveHallmon @RobertTinaro Welcome. #lrnchat
20:32 AjayPangarkar Helllooo #lrnchat! Ajay Pangarkar from cold/beautiful Montreal, Canada, leading performance strategist & Author & just back from #astdtk14
20:32 DaveHallmon @jackietrains Me too! Looking forward to tonight. #LRNchat
20:32 RobertTinaro Hi all. First time lrnchatter #lrnchat
20:33 lodtrain Happy to be at #lrnchat from IT Global Education, working on Lync 2013 for Android and other fun tech education stuff lrning by playing
20:33 jackietrains RT @kelly_smith01: Fine but then I am not driving in ATL #lrnchat Good one.
20:33 DaveHallmon @ric9901 Do you even get a month for summer? #LRNchat
20:33 kelly_smith01 Fine but then I am not driving in ATL #lrnchat
20:33 AjayPangarkar #awesome prepping for #training2014 #lrnchat
20:34 Elham_ab Hello! Doing great. On Chinese New Year holiday. #lrnchat
20:34 WmJRyan 1st time #lrnchat from KY
20:34 lrnchat Q0) We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
20:35 kelly_smith01 Q0) Learned to practice patience – again #lrnchat
20:35 jackietrains A0) Learning allllllll about my new iMac. (My first.) So much fun – and so much to learn! #lrnchat
20:35 TriciaRansom This is Tricia in summy and warm California #lrnchat
20:35 DaveHallmon @lrnchat Looking more into #DMLiteracy, Pls Answer > What can librarians do to increase patrons DML? #LRNchat
20:35 AjayPangarkar @WmJRyan Welcome! #lrnchat
20:36 TriciaRansom Q0) I learned that no matter how much you plan, you’ve forgotten something #lrnchat
20:36 NU_MSLOC RT @lrnchat: #lrnchat in 15 minutes! Learning by Making
20:36 jyoti__gupta #lrnchat q0) Styles in Word are not that simple.
20:36 kelly_smith01 @WmJRyan Welecom to #lrnchat
20:36 britz Hello from balmy #Syracuse NY. Mark Britz, mngr of L&D by trade, org tree shaker by choice #lrnchat
20:36 TriciaRansom Tricia who is in desperate need of spellcheck #lrnchat
20:36 ric9901 @WmJRyan Welcome to your first #lrnchat!
20:37 ric9901 Ericca Williams – ID/Learning Tech/eLearn dev from Michigan… This week I learned that I put waay too much on my plate #lrnchat
20:37 LnDDave Hey #lrnchat. Putting in a late night of work in London, but figured I’d stop in to give a wave from across the pond.
20:37 britz A0) learned that the incubation period for a head cold virus after a 5.5hr flight is abt 4 days:\ #lrnchat
20:37 lodtrain RT @TriciaRansom: Q0) I learned that no matter how much you plan, you’ve forgotten something #lrnchat
20:37 kelly_smith01 @TriciaRansom I think Tweetdeck used to have spellcheck not know apprently #lrnchat
20:37 eLearninCyclops Q0) Learned sometimes you gotta get the course launched b4 the SMEs change their mind… again #lrnchat
20:37 lodtrain Q0) Learning more about lync 2013 mobile android and created mini guide as perf support for my learners🙂 #lrnchat
20:37 AjayPangarkar Regretfully, learning to cope with a sick pet…outlook not good…becoming an #armchairvet #lrnchat
20:37 DaveHallmon @jyoti__gupta Because it is #MSWord… #LRNchat🙂
20:38 lrnchat Q1) What are the benefits of ‘learning by making’ – that is creating something? #lrnchat
20:38 LnDDave Q0) I learned that the dollar doesn’t hold up so well in the UK. #lrnchat
20:38 kelly_smith01 @AjayPangarkar😦 Sprry about sick pet #lrnchat
20:38 TriciaRansom guest knot RT @kelly_smith01 @TriciaRansom I think Tweetdeck used to have spellcheck not know apprently #lrnchat
20:38 DaveHallmon RT @TriciaRansom: Reminded again about the power of The Twitter…for those of us that are shy, it is an amazing networking tool #lrnchat
20:38 TriciaRansom Reminded again about the power of The Twitter…for those of us that are shy, it is an amazing networking tool #lrnchat
20:39 TriciaRansom Q1) When you’re cooking, you learn real quick not to add too much salt…learning by making #lrnchat
20:39 eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q1) What are the benefits of ‘learning by making’ – that is creating something? #lrnchat
20:39 LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of ‘learning by making’ – that is creating something? #lrnchat
20:39 jackietrains A1) In becoming the creator you also can become the teacher. #lrnchat
20:39 DaveHallmon @lrnchat A1) You start applying and solving the problem right from the start! #LRNchat
20:39 AjayPangarkar @kelly_smith01 Thank you Kelly #lrnchat
20:39 TriciaRansom RT @lrnchat Q1) What are the benefits of ‘learning by making’ – that is creating something? #lrnchat
20:39 TriciaRansom @LnDDave Hey, at least in your somewhere neato, right? #lrnchat
20:39 AjayPangarkar @TriciaRansom Yes it is!!! #lrnchat
20:40 DaveHallmon @lodtrain You can’t sleep in the back of the room when you are making something🙂 #LRNchat
20:40 AjayPangarkar A1) isn’t that called #apprenticeship or #coaching? #lrnchat
20:40 lodtrain RT @RobertTinaro: Gives the Kinesthetics learner a place to shine #lrnchat
20:40 TriciaRansom Q1) Learning by making highlights the positives of non-perfection #lrnchat
20:40 kellygarber Q1) gain experiences while learning #lrnchat
20:40 lodtrain Q1) Learning by making gets more engaged, new ways to demonstrate and accomplish lrning objectives #lrnchat
20:40 RobertTinaro Gives the Kinesthetics learner a place to shine #lrnchat
20:40 britz RT @lrnchat Q1) What are the benefits of ‘learning by making’ – that is creating something? #lrnchat #lrnchat
20:40 bschlenker A0) this week I learned all about OpenCompute from @facebook #lrnchat
20:41 jyoti__gupta #lrnchat a1) Muscle memory – especially when it comes to physical tasks, like surgery, cooking, art-making.
20:41 kelly_smith01 RT @kellygarber: Q1) gain experiences while learning #lrnchat
20:41 TriciaRansom I can sleep in the back of the room while I’m making wonderful dreams about where I want to be…. #lrnchat
20:42 TriciaRansom @DaveHallmon C’mon, dream BIG…Bali, Bora Bora… #lrnchat
20:42 AjayPangarkar A1) Love it…it is “baptism by fire” #learning by mistakes…just don’t make the same ones twice #lrnchat
20:42 DaveHallmon @TriciaRansom I’m thinking #Florida! #LRNchat
20:42 TriciaRansom Q1) To learn, you must own the desire to learn. When you make something, deepens ownership #lrnchat
20:43 Elham_ab RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of ‘learning by making’ – that is creating something? #lrnchat
20:43 bschlenker RT @TriciaRansom: Q1) To learn, you must own the desire to learn. When you make something, deepens ownership #lrnchat
20:43 DaveHallmon +1 @TriciaRansom Making something Deepens Ownership. I like that🙂 #LRNchat
20:43 TriciaRansom Q1) Making something lets you examine and learn from all angles. I don’t think we can simulate that #lrnchat
20:43 kelly_smith01 Making things may give us context or near real world experience #lrnchat
20:43 kellygarber RT @jyoti__gupta a1) Muscle memory – especially when it comes to physical tasks, like surgery, cooking, art-making. #lrnchat
20:43 bschlenker RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of ‘learning by making’ – that is creating something? #lrnchat
20:44 AjayPangarkar A1) used in context…don’t know I want my surgeon “learning by making” #lrnchat
20:44 lodtrain Q1) Lots of ideas to build item but like tech ways like building qrcodes to do a scavenger hunt #lrnchat
20:44 TriciaRansom Q1) How many of us “made” instructor guides or horrid powerpoints? How many of us learned what not to do? #lrnchat
20:44 theASIDEblog When you make it, you own it. That means you learn it. #lrnchat
20:44 DaveHallmon @kelly_smith01 When would it not be real world experience when making something? #LRNchat
20:45 TriciaRansom RT @lrnchat Q2) Can you think of a time you learned by making something without traditional instruction? #lrnchat
20:45 lrnchat Q2) Can you think of a time you learned by making something without traditional instruction? #lrnchat
20:45 TriciaRansom Q1) Does this also apply to creating networks? or limited to physical objects? #lrnchat
20:45 DaveHallmon @AjayPangarkar Don’t they do that on cadavers? #LRNchat
20:45 Elham_ab 1. It is more effective, since we learn about the process and many ways that sth can be made. Creativity is boosted. #lrnchat
20:46 DaveHallmon @lrnchat A2) Building my first fort in my back yard. No plans. Just sticks from the woods. #LRNchat
20:46 AjayPangarkar @DaveHallmon yup, and years of interning #lrnchat
20:46 TriciaRansom Q2) Made mud pies, dandelion tea, and entire worlds in our basement #lrnchat
20:46 Elham_ab “@DaveHallmon: @lrnchat A1) You start applying and solving the problem right from the start! #LRNchat”~Yes, higher level if Bloom taxonomy
20:46 theASIDEblog Tinkering and grappling to put something together let’s learners ponder possibilities. #lrnchat
20:46 kellygarber Q1) drive home the prototype instead of saving the file #lrnchat
20:47 theASIDEblog Our learners always remember when they made something themselves. That speaks volumes. #lrnchat
20:47 lrnchat Here is one of the suggested readings for tonight’s #lrnchat – http://t.co/WFaGfhHtj5
20:47 Elham_ab RT @lrnchat: Q2) Can you think of a time you learned by making something without traditional instruction? #lrnchat
20:47 kelly_smith01 RT @DaveHallmon: @lrnchat A2) Building my first fort in my back yard. No plans. Just sticks from the woods. #LRNchat
20:47 TriciaRansom Q2) I learned #Captivate by making my first elearning course. Painful. #lrnchat
20:48 jyoti__gupta @TriciaRansom Agree w/ your q2. Lots of good woman-to-woman knowledge sharing on the net on “ladydom” stuff – recipes, craft, etc. #lrnchat
20:48 TriciaRansom Q2) I dated a guy who “learned” how to make spaghetti sauce on his own…it was ketchup and basil. 1 date only #lrnchat
20:48 LnDDave Q2) Making up games with my kids. #lrnchat
20:48 lodtrain Q2) Handed piece of software and asked to teach group how to use it in 2 hrs any type of training would do #lrnchat
20:48 theASIDEblog Direct involvement in planning and designing engages learners on a totally different level. #lrnchat
20:48 kelly_smith01 Running my 1st ultramarathon w/o in real coaching – I guess that is more doing than making #lrnchat
20:48 RobertTinaro My most memorable learning experiences were made by making something… Haunted houses in the basement, forts in the woods, go-kart #lrnchat
20:48 DaveHallmon @theASIDEblog Can you give us an example? #LRNchat
20:48 2be2learn A2 made kids iron on Tshirts and learned how to do it better by 3rd shirt. Practice still makes better, not always perfect #lrnchat
20:48 lodtrain RT @DaveHallmon: @lrnchat A2) Building my first fort in my back yard. No plans. Just sticks from the woods. #LRNchat
20:48 TriciaRansom Q2) I learned that glass is a heat conductor when I grabbed cake pan out of oven bare handed. I was 5 #lrnchat
20:48 AjayPangarkar A2) yup, my home made spaghetti sauce “trail and error” #lrnchat
20:49 DaveHallmon @lodtrain In 2 hours? I hope you got paid $$$ #LRNchat Good. Fast. or Cheep. Pick 2.
20:49 TriciaRansom Q2) We’re making a new process here at work. I’m learning as we go. #lrnchat
20:49 Elham_ab #lrnchat.2. Wood carving. It felt very good that I did sth without lessons
20:49 jackietrains A2) A website! #lrnchat
20:50 AjayPangarkar @TriciaRansom Our home is a no ketchup zone …and my wife is of Italian heritage…ketchup = #heracy good decision on your part #lrnchat
20:50 TriciaRansom We’re talking about kids….why don’t we do this as grownups? #lrnchat
20:50 jackietrains A2) Raised beds for the garden. #lrnchat
20:50 theASIDEblog Signature projects involving creativity are the ones kids look forward to grade after grade. #lrnchat
20:51 DaveHallmon @AjayPangarkar @TriciaRansom Ketchup + Basil + hot water = free soup at a restaurant🙂 #LRNchat
20:51 AjayPangarkar a2) an award-winning examination system (used by Apple and Nest)🙂 #lrnchat
20:51 lodtrain RT @britz: RT @TriciaRansom Q2) I learned #Captivate by making my first elearning course. Painful. #lrnchat #lrnchat
20:51 eLearninCyclops RT @gabriellabroady RT @lrnchat: Q2) Can you think of a time you learned by making something without traditional instruction? #lrnchat
20:51 gabriellabroady RT @lrnchat: Q2) Can you think of a time you learned by making something without traditional instruction? #lrnchat
20:51 britz RT @TriciaRansom Q2) I learned #Captivate by making my first elearning course. Painful. #lrnchat #lrnchat
20:52 gabriellabroady a2) how to get on LinkedIn – before it was popular! #lrnchat
20:52 DaveHallmon RT @theASIDEblog: Making is Steve Jobs in his father’s garage. We’re lucky he didn’t have to wear helmet, safety goggles, & sign damage rel…
20:52 kelly_smith01 RT @TriciaRansom: We’re talking about kids….why don’t we do this as grownups? #lrnchat –> ‘zactly
20:52 theASIDEblog Making is Steve Jobs in his father’s garage. We’re lucky he didn’t have to wear helmet, safety goggles, & sign damage release form. #lrnchat
20:52 TriciaRansom In fact, I learned most of my ID skills w/out any type of instruction. #lrnchat
20:52 kelly_smith01 RT @britz: RT @TriciaRansom Q2) I learned #Captivate by making my first elearning course. Painful. #lrnchat #lrnchat
20:53 britz A2. I made solid friendships and connected with experts via social networks… No training necessary #lrnchat
20:53 TriciaRansom RT @lrnchat Q3) Is there a downside or limitation to ‘learning by making’? #lrnchat
20:53 lrnchat Q3) Is there a downside or limitation to ‘learning by making’? #lrnchat
20:53 lodtrain Q2) Once in a session not allowed to use tech, just crafts to make our presentation #LRNchat
20:53 TriciaRansom Q2) I taught myself how to set up and use a computer back in 87 all by myself. Not bad, huh? #lrnchat
20:53 gabriellabroady RT @TriciaRansom: In fact, I learned most of my ID skills w/out any type of instruction. #lrnchat
20:54 TriciaRansom I learned how people learn by suffering through too many training classes #lrnchat
20:54 DaveHallmon @lrnchat A3) Time and Common Core State Standards #LRNchat
20:54 ric9901 @TriciaRansom Same here.. I learned how people learn from observing my son with Autism not from a formal education. #lrnchat
20:54 kelly_smith01 @TriciaRansom That is a very good way to learn ID skills w/o much teaching classroom #lrnchat
20:55 RobertTinaro There may be a difference between learning g by doing and learning by making #lrnchat
20:55 gabriellabroady RT @lrnchat: Q3) Is there a downside or limitation to ‘learning by making’? #lrnchat
20:55 DaveHallmon @TriciaRansom The brain can only learn what the seat can endure🙂 #LRNchat
20:55 TriciaRansom Q3) Frustration that leads to quitting. #lrnchat
20:55 britz A3. Yes, downside can be longer time (if it’s urgent) and many errors (if it’s critical) before getting it right #lrnchat
20:55 gabriellabroady a3) Sometimes you need to start over – like when I made my 1st quilt – cutting the wrong way means I needed to buy new materials #lrnchat
20:55 lodtrain Q3) Downside, lrn by making maybe not related to learning objectives/what learners should understand by making #LRNchat
20:56 ric9901 RT @TriciaRansom: I learned how people learn by suffering through too many training classes #lrnchat
20:56 gabriellabroady a3) if I think in terms of organizations, the downside would be that it can take longer to get things done (time = $) #lrnchat
20:56 TriciaRansom Tim Tebow throwing a football RT @jyoti__gupta #lrnchat a3) if you learn some physical incorrectly it can be hard to unlearn.
20:56 DaveHallmon @RobertTinaro What is the difference between doing and making? #LRNchat
20:56 lrnchat Here is another of the suggested readings for tonight’s #lrnchat – http://t.co/d8l5m4aarc
20:56 ric9901 Q3. There are limits to everything. If there were’t limits then why would there be any formal instruction? #lrnchat
20:56 AjayPangarkar A3) possible bad habits and “doing it my way” syndrome. May lack consistency #lrnchat
20:56 jyoti__gupta #lrnchat a3) if you learn some physical incorrectly (like how to shoot a basket), it can be hard to unlearn.
20:56 TriciaRansom Q3) I’m teaching myself how to knit. I’m making a scarf. It’s been 4 years, and I’m frustrated. #lrnchat
20:57 TriciaRansom Q3) and orgs don’t always need to have something remade over and over again by ppl learning (ie ppt decks) #lrnchat
20:57 theASIDEblog There is no downside to learning by making other than to make sure we allot the time to do it. Creativity takes time. #lrnchat
20:58 AjayPangarkar @theASIDEblog regret to disagree, but there are downsides but ur right, can’t limit creativity #lrnchat
20:58 jackietrains A3) No true downsides, in my opinion. All “mistakes” (and there really aren’t any) are just new learning opportunities. #lrnchat
20:58 kelly_smith01 RT @theASIDEblog: There is no downside to learning by making other than to make sure we allot the time to do it. Creativity takes time. #lr…
20:58 DaveHallmon @theASIDEblog Sometimes it is more cost effective to just not reinvent the wheel. #LRNchat
20:58 theASIDEblog Anytime we encourage tinkering, grappling, and pondering is time well spent. #lrnchat
20:58 2be2learn A3 frustration when you learn what you tried to make failed. Some may give up #lrnchat
20:58 Elham_ab RT @lrnchat: Q3) Is there a downside or limitation to ‘learning by making’? #lrnchat
20:58 gabriellabroady a3) context…sometimes ya need context – sometimes ya don’t #lrnchat
20:59 TriciaRansom See…I’ve given up on my scarf-stub. This is how far I’ve gotten in FOUR YEARS #lrnchat http://t.co/1B2uL0a91Z
20:59 jyoti__gupta @TriciaRansom I couldn’t imagine doing that. I had 3 generations of women teach me, and I can barely knit. #lrnchat
20:59 2be2learn @TriciaRansom funny I better watch my text grammar. #lrnchat
20:59 Elham_ab #lrnchat.3. I can’t see any downside to that. Unless we learn sth wrong if accurate instruction is not given.
20:59 jackietrains Like learning to use the #lrnchat tag.
21:00 TriciaRansom @DaveHallmon NO #lrnchat
21:00 DaveHallmon @TriciaRansom Do you appreciate that ROI? #LRNchat
21:01 willconstantine RT @lrnchat: Here is one of the suggested readings for tonight’s #lrnchat – http://t.co/WFaGfhHtj5
21:01 lrnchat Q4) How can we make ‘learning by making’ more central in learning? #lrnchat
21:01 willconstantine RT @lrnchat: Here is another of the suggested readings for tonight’s #lrnchat – http://t.co/d8l5m4aarc
21:01 AjayPangarkar a3) mistakes to many = failure, only some see mistakes=learning be careful when using this method #lrnchat
21:02 Elham_ab RT @lrnchat: Q4) How can we make ‘learning by making’ more central in learning? #lrnchat
21:02 jackietrains Q4) By designing it that way. #lrnchat
21:02 TriciaRansom Q4) We need to learn how to make connections and how to help others make connections #lrnchat
21:02 theASIDEblog @AjayPangarkar Downside is time and Ed system. Learning by making is interdisciplinary. #lrnchat
21:02 DaveHallmon @AjayPangarkar Surgeons loose their jobs and get sued. #LRNchat
21:02 TriciaRansom RT @lrnchat Q4) How can we make ‘learning by making’ more central in learning? #lrnchat
21:03 theASIDEblog @DaveHallmon Really, is coding, robotics, and gamification reinventing the wheel? We think not. #lrnchat
21:03 lodtrain RT @jackietrains: Q4) By designing it that way. #lrnchat
21:03 gabriellabroady RT @jackietrains: Q4) By designing it that way. #lrnchat
21:03 AjayPangarkar a4) like pilots, doctors, use it in control learning environments #lrnchat
21:04 kellygarber Q4) get the buy in from the bean counters #lrnchat
21:04 britz A4. Make innovation the goal in your org #lrnchat
21:04 TriciaRansom I’m loving the discussions going on here #lrnchat
21:04 DaveHallmon @lrnchat A4) We and our learners should all be on the TV show @Survivor_Tweet? #LRNchat
21:04 2be2learn A4 minimize the role of the teacher/speaker/trainer as only expert and maximize active, participative learning #lrnchat
21:04 theASIDEblog @2be2learn Pitiful is not powerful, kids need to get over it. Iterate and go back at it. #lrnchat
21:04 lodtrain RT @theASIDEblog: @DaveHallmon Really, is coding, robotics, and gamification reinventing the wheel? We think not. #lrnchat
21:05 kellygarber Q4) prove value to business objectives #lrnchat
21:05 DaveHallmon @theASIDEblog That is a situation where it works and perhaps the only way to do it. #LRNchat
21:05 TriciaRansom Q4) If your org is about innovation, align your learning to that. Learning by making will follow #lrnchat
21:05 kelly_smith01 RT @TriciaRansom: I’m loving the discussions going on here #lrnchat
21:06 jyoti__gupta @2be2learn Agree. Could work well in flipped classrooms. #lrnchat
21:06 2be2learn @theASIDEblog my audience is always adult learners who occasionally like self pity and excuse making to avoid learning #lrnchat
21:06 TriciaRansom Q4) Design making, show $$ value, and you’ll get to do it over and over again #lrnchat
21:06 AjayPangarkar @britz hallelujah! #lrnchat
21:06 DaveHallmon RT @kellygarber: Q4) prove value to business objectives #lrnchat
21:06 kelly_smith01 RT @kellygarber: Q4) prove value to business objectives #lrnchat
21:06 Elham_ab #lrnchat.4. Documenting the steps and sharing with others for improvement
21:06 britz RT @lrnchat Q4) How can we make ‘learning by making’ more central in learning? #lrnchat #lrnchat
21:07 TriciaRansom Q4) If you make “making” more central to learning, will the LMSs and managers need to standardize the makings? #lrnchat
21:07 lodtrain RT @theASIDEblog: Quote by Pat Kane from his book The Play Ethic. #lrnchat http://t.co/A0HZgomVvQ
21:07 patjazz251 @lrnchat A2) does making music counts? #lrnchat
21:07 DaveHallmon RT @theASIDEblog: Quote by Pat Kane from his book The Play Ethic. #lrnchat http://t.co/A0HZgomVvQ
21:07 lodtrain RT @jyoti__gupta: @2be2learn Agree. Could work well in flipped classrooms. #lrnchat
21:07 theASIDEblog Quote by Pat Kane from his book The Play Ethic. #lrnchat http://t.co/A0HZgomVvQ
21:07 AjayPangarkar @kellygarber Now you’re preaching to the choir #lrnchat
21:07 TriciaRansom Q4) Learning by making could have a downside, especially with a facilitator who is picky, perfectionist #lrnchat
21:08 TriciaRansom Earlier question: I’ve taught myself to sing. Well, I call it singing; my husband calls it something else… #lrnchat
21:08 sorokti “@lrnchat: Here is another of the suggested readings for tonight’s #lrnchat – http://t.co/uj2B2iMYvK” #DIY #futureed #msloc
21:08 theASIDEblog Today, free play to learn how to socialize, invent, and imagine is rare; instead, child’s play is organized. That’s a problem. #lrnchat
21:08 kelly_smith01 RT @theASIDEblog: Quote by Pat Kane from his book The Play Ethic. #lrnchat http://t.co/A0HZgomVvQ
21:08 mtechman RT @theASIDEblog: Anytime we encourage tinkering, grappling, and pondering is time well spent. #lrnchat
21:09 theASIDEblog @TriciaRansom If that happens, making is doomed. No room for “bubble tests.” #lrnchat
21:09 RobertTinaro Institutionalizing making may drain tube process of its necessary creativity and divergent learning #lrnchat
21:09 lrnchat Q5) How do we measure success or accomplishment in a ‘learning by making’ effort? #lrnchat
21:09 DaveHallmon RT @britz: A4. Watch more children at play. They can make hours of enjoyment out of a large cardboard box and some crayons #lrnchat
21:09 sorokti “@britz: A2. I made solid friendships and connected with experts via social networks…No training necessary #lrnchat” #msloc430 cc @MLBavs
21:09 TriciaRansom Do kids get to play outside without adults? #lrnchat
21:09 kelly_smith01 @TriciaRansom An LMS cannot measure or track the best learning #lrnchat
21:09 thatlearningguy @TriciaRansom Excellent point. If so, would that standardization limit the learning potential of the opportunity? #lrnchat
21:09 britz A4. Watch more children at play. They can make hours of enjoyment out of a large cardboard box and some crayons #lrnchat
21:09 DaveHallmon @TriciaRansom LOL🙂 Good luck with that. #LRNchat
21:10 theASIDEblog If learners can’t play to learn, it limits innovation. #lrnchat
21:10 TriciaRansom @2be2learn I call my singing “not-to-be-heard-by-anyone” #lrnchat
21:10 britz RT @lrnchat Q5) How do we measure success or accomplishment in a ‘learning by making’ effort? #lrnchat #lrnchat
21:10 DaveHallmon @TriciaRansom Not since 1950… #LRNchat
21:10 2be2learn @TriciaRansom call your singing — self-expression! #lrnchat
21:10 TriciaRansom I’ve decided to stand up for the misunderstood LMS RT @kelly_smith01 @TriciaRansom An LMS cannot measure or track the best learning #lrnchat
21:11 lodtrain Q5) By looking at what success looks like first, and then give learning by making activities that match, so u can msre #lrnchat
21:11 TriciaRansom Q5) Why is it important to measure success or accomplishment? #lrnchat
21:11 RobertTinaro Therein lies the rub #lrnchat
21:11 DaveHallmon @lrnchat A5) The product. Vetted by peers. Produce it again? #LRNchat
21:12 TriciaRansom I’m here to defend the mis-understood LMS being attacked on all sides….you guys just don’t know the “real” LMS #lrnchat
21:12 kelly_smith01 Q5) I know you cannot measure success/accomplishment the same way you do everythingelse #lrnchat
21:12 jyoti__gupta #lrnchat Good q. Remember my abstract sculpture prof critiquing my “artwork” & I thought it was interesting he could offer useful criticism.
21:12 lodtrain Q5) Measure success by having a “Shark Tank” panel at end🙂 #lrnchat
21:12 britz @TriciaRansom @kelly_smith01 an LMS can’t measure ANY learning #lrnchat
21:12 TriciaRansom Q5) Isn’t success measured by if you make the thing? And isn’t effort if you’ve started making? #lrnchat
21:13 britz RT @jackietrains A5) 1st: In one’s self confidence & satisfaction with the result, and 2nd: In how it helps others. #lrnchat #lrnchat
21:13 DaveHallmon @lodtrain A5) Yea but there is still learning even if @mcuban doesn’t invest in your product. #LRNchat
21:13 theASIDEblog Ideate, iterate, and then innovate. #lrnchat
21:13 lodtrain RT @2be2learn: a5 learning “by making” success can be measured as internal reward- self satisfaction #lrnchat
21:13 lodtrain RT @thatlearningguy: A5) Clearly defining the end results but allowing the learner to discover their path to it. #lrnchat
21:13 2be2learn a5 learning “by making” success can be measured as internal reward- self satisfaction #lrnchat
21:13 jackietrains A5) 1st: In one’s self confidence & satisfaction with the result, and 2nd: In how it helps others. #lrnchat
21:13 thatlearningguy A5) Clearly defining the end results but allowing the learner to discover their path to it. #lrnchat
21:14 lrnchat Q6) Can you think of a work situation where you would or did engage in ‘learning by making’? #lrnchat
21:14 kelly_smith01 RT @TriciaRansom: I’m here to defend the mis-understood LMS being attacked on all sides….you guys just don’t know the “real” LMS #lrnchat
21:14 TriciaRansom Q5) what data can/will an org collect when you learn by making? And how will that track thru learners life? #lrnchat
21:15 DaveHallmon @lrnchat A6) Presenting to the Board of Directors for the first time. And it was right before lunch🙂 #LRNchat
21:15 TriciaRansom Q6) Instructional design. Adult learning. eLearning. LMS administration #lrnchat
21:15 2be2learn Measure success by having #SharkTank panel at end via @lodtrain #lrnchat
21:15 theASIDEblog If we let them build it, make it, design it, they will learn it. #lrnchat
21:15 kelly_smith01 @TriciaRansom Always open to new ideas and views of the value and function of an LMS #lrnchat
21:15 TriciaRansom RT @lrnchat Q6) Can you think of a work situation where you would or did engage in ‘learning by making’? #lrnchat
21:16 jackietrains A6) In every unexpected situation in consulting. (Where’s my magic wand again? #lrnchat
21:16 DaveHallmon @TriciaRansom What LMS are you using? You must love it🙂 #LRNchat
21:16 Elham_ab RT @lrnchat: Q6) Can you think of a work situation where you would or did engage in ‘learning by making’? #lrnchat
21:16 TriciaRansom Q6) Classroom facilitation, webinar facilitation.. #lrnchat
21:16 AjayPangarkar a6) yup, helping a famous company get their customer support team to be #1 in customer service. the CS team “learning by making” #lrnchat
21:16 britz A6. Made coffee in one of those industrial sized coffee makers… Does that count? #lrnchat
21:16 TriciaRansom The LMS is a comfort blankie to HR departments around the world! That’s worth something, right? #lrnchat
21:17 DaveHallmon @britz First time I did that… I couldn’t figure out how to get the filter right and it over flowed all over the kitchen🙂 #LRNchat
21:17 TriciaRansom Q6) Every day at work is a learning by making experience. Every tweet, sentence, utterance #lrnchat
21:17 jackietrains RT @thatlearningguy: A6) I’ve found every learning project to be a “learn by making” experience. #lrnchat I agree!
21:17 lodtrain Q6) In a trng class have learners create an eLearning, or presentation with the result of a work product, but no guidelines just do #lrnchat
21:17 enb411 RT @lrnchat: Here is one of the suggested readings for tonight’s #lrnchat – http://t.co/WFaGfhHtj5
21:17 thatlearningguy A6) I’ve found every learning project to be a “learn by making” experience. #lrnchat
21:17 TriciaRansom Q6) I’m still learning patience by making patience. #lrnchat
21:18 theASIDEblog Great #lrnchat tonight on a top dear to us. Thanks.
21:18 heikan2003 Q6) Does fixing a pump problem in the lab count? #lrnchat
21:18 Elham_ab #lrnchat.6. Learned Lectora & Ariculate. Besides File maker for project documentation.
21:18 MMTingley A2) learn to cook new things like that all the time! #lrnchat
21:18 kellygarber Q6) every learning program I’ve developed has been a personal exp in learning while making-it is why I love what I do. #lrnchat
21:18 TriciaRansom They can make your life a living hell RT @kelly_smith01 @TriciaRansom Anytime HR is happy is OK #lrnchat
21:18 lodtrain RT @thatlearningguy: A6) I’ve found every learning project to be a “learn by making” experience. #lrnchat
21:18 kelly_smith01 @TriciaRansom Anytime HR is happy is OK #lrnchat
21:19 Elham_ab #lrnchat.5. Probably by getting an expert’s opinion to assess the product
21:19 TriciaRansom I’m waiting for someone to say “Yeah, well, what I made it bigger than yours, so I musta learned WAY more” #lrnchat
21:19 2be2learn A6. Learn quickly at work who “does not” have a sense of humor when “making” light of a stressful situation #lrnchat
21:19 DaveHallmon @lrnchat A6) Non work situation? Being a father. Still learning and I am on my 3rd. #LRNchat
21:19 jyoti__gupta #lrnchat @TriciaRansom Ditto. Also software installations, programming, etc – easier just to do it than to read about it.
21:19 britz @TriciaRansom most out grow their blankies #lrnchat
21:19 Elham_ab RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do we measure success or accomplishment in a ‘learning by making’ effort? #lrnchat
21:19 jackietrains We’re all just a big bunch of makers. #lrnchat
21:20 cecilia_bocking RT @OpusLearning: Learners’ Often Use Poor #Learning Strategies — From a #Research Review http://t.co/7YILEMkHbt
#lrnchat #edchat
21:20 TriciaRansom @britz I betcha they have their blankies hidden in their bottom drawer at work #lrnchat
21:20 MMTingley Late as usual, but finally back at #lrnchat
21:20 RobertTinaro Teaching a lesson around a question for which you have not worked out the answer #lrnchat
21:20 enb411 A6) load chart interpretation guide for crane operators and national cert prep. #lrnchat
21:21 heikan2003 RT @RobertTinaro: Teaching a lesson around a question for which you have not worked out the answer #lrnchat I like that
21:21 enb411 Parenting #truth -> @DaveHallmon: @lrnchat A6) Non work situation? Being a father. Still learning and I am on my 3rd. #LRNchat”
21:21 lodtrain RT @TriciaRansom: I had to make Excel do something it didn’t want to…I learned I can do anything I put my mind to #lrnchat
21:21 JustStormy @TriciaRansom “Yeah, well, what I made it bigger than yours, so I musta learned WAY more” #lrnchat *snicker*
21:21 TriciaRansom I had to make Excel do something it didn’t want to…I learned I can do anything I put my mind to #lrnchat
21:22 DaveHallmon @JustStormy and your still at dinner? #LRNchat
21:22 theASIDEblog We need to move from a culture of evaluation to one of inspiration. #lrnchat #edchat http://t.co/C1rtXXCzlk http://t.co/ABIEpp0N2y
21:22 lodtrain RT @kelly_smith01: Q6) Here is more on the Maker Movement – http://t.co/mWlf8KPqMe #lrnchat
21:22 DaveHallmon RT @MMTingley: A3) winging it invites mistakes, but mistakes are learning opportunities #lrnchat
21:22 kellygarber Exactly. RT @jackietrains We’re all just a big bunch of makers. #lrnchat
21:22 JustStormy joining #lrnchat way late…it was my anniversary :p
21:22 kelly_smith01 Q6) Here is more on the Maker Movement – http://t.co/mWlf8KPqMe #lrnchat
21:22 MMTingley A3) winging it invites mistakes, but mistakes are learning opportunities #lrnchat
21:22 patjazz251 @lrnchat A6) every time I step in the classroom #lrnchat
21:23 JustStormy a6) when I had to build a database driven web-site…every second was making and unmaking and making again (with a lot of cursing) #lrnchat
21:23 AjayPangarkar A6) Will never claim “mine is bigger” but will claim “mine is better”🙂 #lrnchat
21:23 TriciaRansom Tried to incorporate making into my learning (make a diagram, infographic). Got WAY big pushback from everyone. Said “childish” #lrnchat
21:23 Elham_ab #lrnchat.6. Chairing a conference session
21:24 jackietrains Thanks so much for the topic and articles tonight, #lrnchat gods. Truly inspired.
21:24 lrnchat QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
21:24 2be2learn @JustStormy happy anniv! #lrnchat
21:24 TriciaRansom @JustStormy…why are you hanging out with us on your anniversary? But glad to see you here #lrnchat
21:25 Elham_ab “@DaveHallmon: @lrnchat A6) Non work situation? Being a father. Still learning and I am on my 3rd. #LRNchat”~great attitude for a parent
21:25 jackietrains QWrap) Jackie Van Nice in chilly SC – freelance elearning ID and new Mac-o-phile. #lrnchat
21:25 MMTingley A4) learning by making takes more time #lrnchat might create pressure of performing in front of others
21:25 RobertTinaro 1st time- loved it. Thank you all #lrnchat
21:25 TriciaRansom This was a great chat tonight…thanks everyone! #lrnchat
21:25 lodtrain QWrap) Thanks for helping me learn by doing #lrnchat from IT Global Education – great chat!
21:25 theASIDEblog Developing a Participatory Approach to Fostering Creativity Through Education #edchat #lrnchat http://t.co/Vsbl0GNR2n via @creativitypost
21:25 DaveHallmon @lrnchat Need help #LRNchat Can you check out this hash #DMLiteracy and answer the question What can librarians do to increase patrons DML?
21:26 JustStormy RT @lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
21:26 AjayPangarkar Ajay author of “The Trainer’s Balanced Scorecard” Get 30%off my books. Buy now use code PANG30: http://t.co/xCLjOULtq0 #lrnchat
21:26 kelly_smith01 QWrap) Kelly Smith – Consultant of Learnin’ and Changin’ stuff #lrnchat
21:26 TriciaRansom RT @britz A6. As work grows more complex must learn in our work. Simpler work being outsourced or automated.”Make or die” to harsh? #lrnchat
21:26 JustStormy @DaveHallmon @TriciaRansom Dinner is done, hubby and puppy are asleep, and good conversation is at #lrnchat….🙂
21:26 heikan2003 Sorry I missed most of tonight. Have a great week everyone! #lrnchat
21:26 2be2learn Chief learning officer, EdD student, busy busy. Good night #lrnchat
21:26 alexanderpolo Today, free play to learn how to socialize, invent, and imagine is rare; instead, child’s play is organized. That’s a problem. #lrnchat”
21:26 TriciaRansom The LMS just told me that it is learning more reports by making more reporting options #lrnchat
21:26 britz A6. As work grows more complex we must learn in our work. Simpler work is being outsourced or automated. Is “Make or die” to harsh? #lrnchat
21:27 lrnchat Thanks all for joining #lrnchat tonight. See you next week at this same time.
21:27 jyoti__gupta Awrap) Please feel free to follow me. I mainly tweet about adult education and job training ed. #lrnchat
21:27 alexanderpolo There is no downside to learning by making other than to make sure we allot the time to do it. Creativity takes time. #lrnchat”
21:27 enb411 QWrap) training manger & so much more in petro-chemical industry in BR, LA. #lrnchat
21:27 AjayPangarkar Wonder what biz leaders are thinking? read my latest #trainingindustry: “The Business Leader’s Bottom Line” http://t.co/zvlLRGl3ik #lrnchat
21:27 DaveHallmon @Elham_ab @enb411 They are all 3 years and under and we are trying for our 4th🙂 #LRNchat
21:28 jackietrains Bye! Thanks to everyone for making good chat. #lrnchat
21:28 JustStormy qwrap) dang…Melissa Hicks, PSU Learning designer. Check out our #drupal #rubric #elmsln efforts https://t.co/kupT7NDL5P #lrnchat
21:28 theASIDEblog If inventors, entrepreneurs, innovators, etc. were asked to be educators, would there be desks? #edchat #lrnchat http://t.co/vX2vurXM2f
21:28 alexanderpolo “@theASIDEblog: Signature projects involving creativity are the ones kids look forward to grade after grade. #lrnchat”
21:28 AjayPangarkar Come meet me at #training2014 next week – speaking on 2 topics #lrnchat
21:28 Elham_ab RT @kelly_smith01: Q6) Here is more on the Maker Movement – http://t.co/mWlf8KPqMe #lrnchat
21:28 britz Mark Britz. #Syracuse L&D mngr. Trying to *make* change🙂 #lrnchat
21:29 MMTingley Q6) designing ILT for the first time after decade of eLearning. #lrnchat Worked out well though.
21:30 nancyrubin RT @theASIDEblog: If inventors, entrepreneurs, innovators, etc. were asked to be educators, would there be desks? #edchat #lrnchat http://t…
21:31 lrnchat Thanks again for joining #lrnchat tonight. Great ideas – See you next week at this same time.