Transcript: September 5 – “Reverse Psychology”

20:31 lrnchat Welcome everyone to #lrnchat! How have you been?
20:31 kelly_smith01 Will be in and out of #lrnchat – trying to talk my self out of it.
20:31 brunowinck You surely have better things to do than attend this fantastic, right now #lrnchat
20:32 lrnchat Please introduce yourselves. Passions? Projects? What are you working on these days? #lrnchat
20:32 kelly_smith01 Coping with crashed computer – lucky I backed-up stuff #lrnchat – I think
20:33 eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Please introduce yourselves. Passions? Projects? What are you working on these days? #lrnchat
20:33 lrnchat Q0) We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
20:33 dawnjmahoney @LnDDave Thanks for the RT, Dave! And hello! #lrnchat
20:33 MattGuyan Hi everyone Matt from Oz, I’ve had a great week #lrnchat
20:33 kelly_smith01 Kelly Smith Consultant/Free Agent – working on some client prep stuff #lrnchat
20:33 melissachess #lrnchat Melissa in Canberra. ID. SUP instructor. Trying to figure out plan for work stuff for the next few months.
20:34 eLearninCyclops Jeff Goldman – elearning Designer/Developer in Baltimore. Working on a little bit of this & a little of that🙂 #lrnchat
20:34 Quinnovator it’s time again for the 60 min wise and wacky memestream that is #lrnchat, duck or join. Welcome to new and returning participants!
20:34 JaneBozarth I have a new book out this week http://t.co/pwZagAAJN1 thanks for asking #lrnchat
20:34 dawnjmahoney Dawn Mahoney, from WI & in WI–strange, I’m never home! L&D for 200 senior housing buildings #lrnchat
20:34 JaneBozarth I need examples of #showyourwork if anyone has something to share… please… #lrnchat
20:34 brunowinck Q0) Bruno Winck, KM Software Architect (with self directed elearning bits in it), Working on socket.io today #lrnchat
20:34 jess1ecat @JaneBozarth very nice I see hat you did there, #lrnchat on reverse psychology!
20:34 Quinnovator Clark Quinn, L&D change instigator, consultant/author/speaker, genial malcontent, Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
20:35 MichelleLBaker Michelle – learning strategist in Indy. Hi everyone! #lrnchat
20:35 kelly_smith01 Glad I did the pre-read – Maybe I will reach the application level #lrnchat
20:35 LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: I have a new book out this week http://t.co/pwZagAAJN1 thanks for asking #lrnchat
20:35 melissachess A0) #lrnchat This week, (re)learned that I always want to spend more time reading about than doing things.
20:35 JaneBozarth http://t.co/PZqDycwTaa #lrnchat
20:35 Quinnovator Q0) learned today that choosing picture framing is a creative (and expensive) undertaking! #lrnchat
20:35 dawnjmahoney @JaneBozarth What do you want us to show, ma’am? #lrnchat
20:36 MichelleLBaker A0) Today, I learned that tomorrow I will be an aunt again! Can’t wait to meet my new nephew! #lrnchat
20:36 LnDDave Greetings everyone! David Kelly from NY. #lrnchat and the kickoff of another NFL season. Good times.
20:36 dawnjmahoney @JaneBozarth And congrats on the book re-release! #lrnchat
20:36 JaneBozarth @dawnjmahoney Your work. Like this. http://t.co/ecQdb4VTeI #showyourwork #lrnchat
20:36 jess1ecat #lrnchat @jess1ecat: @lrnchat great to be here if I can stay wake tonight joining from Inverness in Scotland.
20:37 lrnchat Q1: Why is ‘forbidden fruit’ sweeter (Reactance)? #lrnchat
20:37 eLearninCyclops Q0) I learned a new phrase 2day, “They left the ISD on the shelf.” Some1’s reference to a few OD folk. #lrnchat
20:37 JaneBozarth @dawnjmahoney not a rerelase it’s a 2nd edition, w updates specific to PPT 2013 #lrnchat
20:37 dawnjmahoney Q0) I learned that having a new boss (in HR) means micro-managing EVERYTHING #becarefulwhatuwishfor #lrnchat
20:37 MichelleLBaker Go Broncos! RT @lnddave: Greetings everyone! David Kelly from NY. #lrnchat and the kickoff of another NFL season. Good times.
20:37 eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q1: Why is ‘forbidden fruit’ sweeter (Reactance)? #lrnchat
20:37 Quinnovator @LnDDave ah, have the game on in background, and device with #lrnchat in the foreground too?
20:38 Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q1: Why is ‘forbidden fruit’ sweeter (Reactance)? #lrnchat
20:38 Quinnovator a1) because the grass is always greener🙂 #lrnchat
20:38 LnDDave @quinnovator Most definitely. Although delayed by lightning? What wimps. #lrnchat
20:38 dawnjmahoney RT @lrnchat Q1: Why is ‘forbidden fruit’ sweeter (Reactance)? #lrnchat
20:38 JaneBozarth I’m sorry to report that #lrnchat is full and you can’t join us. #sadface
20:38 JaneBozarth RT @Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q1: Why is ‘forbidden fruit’ sweeter (Reactance)? #lrnchat
20:38 LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q1: Why is ‘forbidden fruit’ sweeter (Reactance)? #lrnchat
20:39 eLearninCyclops Q1) There must be some reason they don’t want u to have any. #lrnchat
20:39 melissachess A1) #lrnchat Because you have to work harder to get it, perhaps. Barriers and expending energy…
20:39 dawnjmahoney @JaneBozarth oops! so sorry! It will be the yr 2050 b4 I get that version of .ppt/just got 2010 #lrnchat
20:39 eLearninCyclops RT @JaneBozarth I’m sorry to report that #lrnchat is full and you can’t join us. #sadface // Bummer
20:39 MichelleLBaker A1) People want what they can’t have… #lrnchat
20:40 LnDDave A1) It’s scarcity. When you can’t have something you instinctively want it more. #lrnchat
20:40 dawnjmahoney A1) Because of the challenge! #lrnchat
20:40 Quinnovator RT @LnDDave: A1) It’s scarcity. When you can’t have something you instinctively want it more. #lrnchat
20:40 MattGuyan A1 it has more sugar in it #lrnchat
20:40 dawnjmahoney A1) If told it is forbidden, I will take the dare if I think the risk is worth it #lrnchat
20:40 Quinnovator RT @dawnjmahoney: A1) Because of the challenge! #lrnchat
20:40 brunowinck A1) because whta’s forbitten is intriguing, comes from young age I guess #lrnchat
20:41 dawnjmahoney RT @MichelleLBaker A1) People want what they can’t have… #lrnchat
20:41 eLearninCyclops Q1) “Let me figure out if it is good for me” #lrnchat
20:41 JaneBozarth 1 Forbidding it turns it from Jane’s Mild Interest to Jane’s Burning Must-Have #lrnchat
20:41 jess1ecat #lrnchat a1 because it’s one of life’s pleasures to do what someone tells you you can’t, must by s’thg abt dopamine/adrenalin in there too.
20:41 Quinnovator RT @eLearninCyclops: Q1) There must be some reason they don’t want u to have any. #lrnchat < and it’s not because it’s bad for us
20:41 brunowinck @dawnjmahoney Cool I’m still on 2007 #lrnchat
20:41 JaneBozarth 1. Also, don’t buy my new book. No. Not. None for you. #lrnchat
20:41 MattGuyan A1 because its forbidden its more tempting therefore we want it more #lrnchat
20:42 dawnjmahoney @brunowinck Would still have 2003 if my laptop hadn’t crashed #sadclown #lrnchat
20:42 MichelleLBaker A1) People love a challenge…tell me I can’t have something, and I’ll try even harder to get (achieve, try) it. #lrnchat
20:42 eLearninCyclops Q1) “Sometimes it is more satisfying to want than to have” (paraphrasing Mr. Spock) #lrnchat
20:42 Quinnovator a1) what do you mean, *I* can’t have it? Who’s gonna stop me? #lrnchat
20:42 LearnNuggets A1) it’s like looking at a fruit bowl and thinking about the box of Twinkies in the locked pantry. #lrnchat
20:43 dawnjmahoney RT @Quinnovator a1) what do you mean, *I* can’t have it? Who’s gonna stop me? #lrnchat
20:43 melissachess RT @michellelbaker: A1) People love a challenge..tell me I can’t have something, and I’ll try even harder to get (achieve, try) it. #lrnchat
20:43 JaneBozarth RT @Quinnovator RT @eLearninCyclops: Q1) must be some reason they don’t want u to have any. #lrnchat < & not because it’s bad for us
20:43 LnDDave A1) Nobody likes being told no; when told no, we sometimes want the control of YES more than the item itself. #lrnchat
20:43 kelly_smith01 RT @lrnchat: Q1: Why is ‘forbidden fruit’ sweeter (Reactance)? #lrnchat
20:43 dawnjmahoney RT @LnDDave A1) Nobody likes being told no; when told no, we sometimes want the control of YES more than the item itself. #lrnchat
20:43 LearnNuggets RT @JaneBozarth: 1. Also, don’t buy my new book. No. Not. None for you. #lrnchat
20:43 jess1ecat RT @Quinnovator: a1) what do you mean, *I* can’t have it? Who’s gonna stop me? #lrnchat
20:44 eLearninCyclops Q1) Here’s the quote – “After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting.” -Spock #lrnchat
20:44 JaneBozarth 1. To prove we can. I don’t think you can paint this fence. #lrnchat
20:44 LnDDave A1) Everybody likes a ‘bad boy’. #lrnchat
20:45 jess1ecat So true. “@LnDDave: A1) Nobody likes being told no; when told no, we sometimes want the control of YES more than the item itself. #lrnchat”
20:45 LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: 1. To prove we can. I don’t think you can paint this fence. #lrnchat
20:45 MichelleLBaker A1) Ever spend time with a headstrong toddler? “NO” doesn’t go over well!😉 #lrnchat
20:45 JaneBozarth 1. Try telling people they CAN’T take your course and watch what happens. Behold the Power of No. #lrnchat
20:45 lrnchat Q2a: Don’t think about a white bear #lrnchat
20:45 Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q2a: Don’t think about a white bear #lrnchat
20:45 kelly_smith01 Some of use like to be an “outlier” – whether we have a clue or not. #lrnchat
20:45 JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat Q2a: Don’t think about a white bear #lrnchat
20:45 dawnjmahoney A1) Anticipation makes it seem even better–sometimes “it” disappoints when u actually get to have it #lrnchat
20:45 audioswhite Q1 Goes back to school for me, if it’s forbidden it must be cool and “they” are just trying to control me #lrnchat
20:45 _MeredithP A1. We are naturally inquisitive beings. #lrnchat
20:45 dawnjmahoney RT @lrnchat Q2a: Don’t think about a white bear #lrnchat
20:45 ChristineGaudet RT @lrnchat: #lrnchat in an hour! Tonite’s theme is Reverse Psychology, short article linked at http://t.co/ijNIXq164N
20:45 jess1ecat Nice “@JaneBozarth: 1. Try telling people they CAN’T take your course and watch what happens. Behold the Power of No. #lrnchat”
20:46 LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q2a: Don’t think about a white bear #lrnchat << Well played.
20:46 MichelleLBaker RT @lrnchat: Q2a: Don’t think about a white bear #lrnchat
20:46 dawnjmahoney A2) I am NOT thinking of a white bear #lrnchat
20:46 eLearninCyclops Q2a) White Bear #lrnchat
20:46 lrnchat Q2b: Why is it hard to not “think about a white bear” (Rebound)? #lrnchat
20:46 Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q2b: Why is it hard to not “think about a white bear” (Rebound)? #lrnchat
20:46 JaneBozarth @ChristineGaudet already started #lrnchat
20:46 JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat Q2b: Why is it hard to not “think about a white bear” (Rebound)? #lrnchat
20:46 eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q2b: Why is it hard to not “think about a white bear” (Rebound)? #lrnchat
20:46 Quinnovator a2) to know what you should avoid, you have to be concrete about it #lrnchat
20:46 melissachess A2a) Noted. #lrnchat
20:47 LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q2b: Why is it hard to not “think about a white bear” (Rebound)? #lrnchat
20:47 Quinnovator RT @LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2a: Don’t think about a white bear #lrnchat << Well played. < credit to @Tracy_Parish
20:47 MattGuyan A2a Too late……… #lrnchat
20:47 melissachess A2b) #lrnchat Power of suggestion is hard to overcome.
20:48 Quinnovator a2) denying existence inherently affirms concept #lrnchat
20:48 melissachess #ThisToo RT @quinnovator: a2) to know what you should avoid, you have to be concrete about it #lrnchat
20:48 MattGuyan A2b cause you have planted a seed #lrnchat
20:48 LnDDave Side Note: Tonight’s NFL Kickoff has devolved into watching The Weather Channel. #lrnchat
20:49 dawnjmahoney A2b) Suggestion physically moved it to the very front of conscious thought–frontal cortex, right? #lrnchat
20:49 brunowinck Q2) cause a part of your attention is fixed on avoiding it, not so natural #lrnchat
20:49 JaneBozarth Oh look Jane did the prereading. #lrnchat
20:49 jshamsy Always late to the party =( I thought it was later?!? Q0) I learned that poison ivy is in fact poison…and it sucks =( #lrnchat
20:49 eLearninCyclops RT @LnDDave Side Note: Tonight’s NFL Kickoff has devolved into watching The Weather Channel. #lrnchat / Yes, We switched to O’s game
20:50 MattGuyan A2b because its something specific rather than something vague #lrnchat
20:50 JaneBozarth back to Q1: Romeo & Juliet effect -more parents object, stronger the feelings of love that develop #lrnchat
20:50 JaneBozarth @jshamsy always 8:30 et –and good to see you — #lrnchat
20:51 brunowinck @dawnjmahoney I like the idea of moving thoughts around physically #lrnchat
20:51 kelly_smith01 It’s oppositional defiant disorder #lrnchat
20:51 Quinnovator a2) remember a discussion with friends about vehemently denying a proposition to introduce the possibility! (subversive) #lrnchat
20:51 Quinnovator RT @LnDDave: Side Note: Tonight’s NFL Kickoff has devolved into watching The Weather Channel. < more time for #lrnchat🙂
20:51 JaneBozarth Apparently some of you who are multitasking have not read the articles saying you can’t do that. Rebels. #lrnchat
20:52 MattGuyan A2b the ringing bell made me think of Pavlov…. #lrnchat
20:52 LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: back to Q1: Romeo & Juliet effect -more parents object, stronger the feelings of love that develop #lrnchat
20:52 Quinnovator RT @kelly_smith01: It’s oppositional defiant disorder #lrnchat < I resemble that remark
20:52 kelly_smith01 RT @JaneBozarth: back to Q1: Romeo & Juliet effect -more parents object, stronger the feelings of love that develop #lrnchat
20:52 LnDDave RT @kelly_smith01: It’s oppositional defiant disorder #lrnchat
20:52 dawnjmahoney RT @Quinnovator RT @kelly_smith01: It’s oppositional defiant disorder #lrnchat < I resemble that remark<<Haha!
20:53 audioswhite Q2b even after 5 minutes #lrnchat http://t.co/P0BTd05Wot
20:53 JaneBozarth DO NOT think about going to Amazon and buying my new book. #lrnchat
20:53 lrnchat Q3: Why do we want to ‘open the box’ (Curiosity)? #lrnchat
20:53 Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q3: Why do we want to ‘open the box’ (Curiosity)? #lrnchat
20:53 eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q3: Why do we want to ‘open the box’ (Curiosity)? #lrnchat
20:53 brunowinck @JaneBozarth is it a subliminal message ? #lrnchat
20:53 melissachess #burn #loveit MT @janebozarth: Apparently some of u who r multitasking have not read the articles saying you cant do that. Rebels. #lrnchat
20:53 Quinnovator a3) because we don’t know what’s inside, and we want to #lrnchat
20:54 JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat Q3: Why do we want to ‘open the box’ (Curiosity)? #lrnchat
20:54 LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q3: Why do we want to ‘open the box’ (Curiosity)? #lrnchat
20:54 brunowinck Q3) Open the book ? which book #lrnchat
20:54 MichelleLBaker A2) The more you try to not think about white bears, the more your brain “monitors” your thoughts, looking for them. #lrnchat
20:54 eLearninCyclops Q3) Same reason Pandora did – just can’t help ourselves #lrnchat
20:54 brunowinck Q3) Boxes must be opened #fact #lrnchat
20:54 LnDDave RT @Quinnovator: a3) because we don’t know what’s inside, and we want to #lrnchat
20:55 Quinnovator a3) what’s inside might be really interesting, partial reinforcement schedule #lrnchat
20:55 JaneBozarth RT @brunowinck Q3) Boxes must be opened #fact #lrnchat
20:55 eLearninCyclops RT @LnDDave RT @Quinnovator: a3) because we don’t know what’s inside, and we want to #lrnchat
20:55 melissachess A3) #lrnchat Only so much willpower to go around….
20:55 LnDDave A3) We have a deeply rooted need to answer questions. #lrnchat
20:55 jshamsy Q3) Curiosity killed the cat! So much more fun to want a challenge and try to figure it out then go along with what is presented. #lrnchat
20:55 Quinnovator a3) it’s like the lottery: we might not find anything interesting, but we *might*, and that’s better than not knowing #lrnchat
20:55 JaneBozarth I have learned, finally, that sometimes the box needs to be left closed. #lrnchat
20:56 media1der @Quinnovator @kelly_smith01 Great. Now I’m ADD and ODD! Thanks #lrnchat
20:56 JaneBozarth RT @melissachess A3) #lrnchat Only so much willpower to go around….
20:56 Quinnovator RT @brunowinck: Q3) Boxes must be opened #fact #lrnchat < they *afford* it😉
20:56 eLearninCyclops Q3) What if we don’t, what did we miss out on? #lrnchat
20:56 JaneBozarth RT @Quinnovator a3) like the lottery: we might not find anything interesting, but we *might*, and that’s better than not knowing #lrnchat
20:56 MichelleLBaker A3) Scratching the itch… #lrnchat
20:56 Quinnovator RT @eLearninCyclops: Q3) What if we don’t, what did we miss out on? #lrnchat
20:56 brunowinck Imagine there is a treasure in it @JaneBozarth I have learned, finally, that sometimes the box needs to be left closed. #lrnchat
20:57 LnDDave A3) Mysteries are intriguing, and solving them is satisfying. #lrnchat
20:57 Quinnovator a3) it’s a learning style: box-opener, except we’re all that type #lrnchat
20:57 JaneBozarth 3 FOMO #lrnchat
20:57 eLearninCyclops Q3) I have a 3 year old scratch off card from the lottery that I still have not checked #not #lrnchat
20:57 LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: I have learned, finally, that sometimes the box needs to be left closed. #lrnchat
20:57 kelly_smith01 Q3) Discover something we can handle, tame, or utilize better than someone else #lrnchat
20:57 JaneBozarth @brunowinck As often as not it’s ended up being something I wish I didn’t know #lrnchat
20:57 MattGuyan A3 we like the mystery of it #lrnchat
20:57 brunowinck Q3) I have plenty of boxes here, I keep opening them, then I forgot, open them again #lrnchat
20:57 melissachess A3) #lrnchat re: closed boxes – but consider that sometimes what’s in the box is not good for you
20:58 bshermcincy A3) jj Adams has a ted talk about the box. http://t.co/c4GUb6Ydop don’t go there now though #lrnchat
20:58 Quinnovator RT @JaneBozarth: I have learned, finally, that sometimes the box needs to be left closed. #lrnchat < how do you *stand* it?
20:58 eLearninCyclops Q3) “We become intrigued” #lrnchat
20:59 MattGuyan A3 we need to make what’s inside the box something great #lrnchat
20:59 melissachess A3) #lrnchat you don’t know that when you choose not to open, but in long run, may be better off. #stillawillpowerthing
20:59 brunowinck Q3) If it’s not good, better dispose it at once then keep it closed #lrnchat
20:59 LnDDave A3) Because the relief of ‘knowing’ is satisfies the discomfort of ignorance. #lrnchat
20:59 MichelleLBaker A3) Maybe whatever is in the box will make my life easier? Maybe it will be fun? Maybe, just maybe… #lrnchat
20:59 ChristineGaudet RT @bshermcincy: A3) jj Adams has a ted talk about the box. http://t.co/c4GUb6Ydop don’t go there now though #lrnchat
20:59 JaneBozarth @Quinnovator Sometimes it is so much better not to know #lrnchat
20:59 Quinnovator a3) hard-wired to explore, it’s necessary for survival (overall) #lrnchat
20:59 brunowinck @bshermcincy Thanks I was becoming attentive to the chat #lrnchat
20:59 eLearninCyclops RT @brunowinck Q3) If it’s not good, better dispose it at once then keep it closed #lrnchat // If it’s not too late🙂
20:59 Quinnovator RT @LnDDave: A3) Because the relief of ‘knowing’ is satisfies the discomfort of ignorance. #lrnchat
21:00 eLearninCyclops RT @Quinnovator a3) hard-wired to explore, it’s necessary for survival (overall) #lrnchat
21:00 Dave_Ferguson @JaneBozarth I’m with you. Lots of stuff not worth knowing. Exhibit A: anything about Novell lans. Knowing = stuckee. #lrnchat
21:00 audioswhite RT @Quinnovator: a3) hard-wired to explore, it’s necessary for survival (overall) #lrnchat
21:00 MattGuyan @JaneBozarth send the box back! #lrnchat
21:01 lrnchat Q4: Do reactance, rebound, and curiosity (RRC) foster learning? #lrnchat
21:01 JaneBozarth @Dave_Ferguson I’ve worked in same building 10 years and don’t know how to transfer phone lines #WorksForMe #lrnchat
21:01 Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q4: Do reactance, rebound, and curiosity (RRC) foster learning? #lrnchat
21:01 kelly_smith01 RT @Quinnovator: a3) it’s a learning style: box-opener, except we’re all that type #lrnchat
21:01 jshamsy Don’t Read This and other reasons for reverse psychology from tonight’s #lrnchat http://t.co/QFnWuhrwz3
21:01 eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q4: Do reactance, rebound, and curiosity (RRC) foster learning? #lrnchat
21:01 JaneBozarth Seriously, people. The diary thing? Don’t. Just don’t. #lrnchat
21:01 JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat: Q4: Do reactance, rebound, and curiosity (RRC) foster learning? #lrnchat
21:01 Quinnovator a4) most certainly do foster learning, but not always desired lessons😉 #lrnchat
21:02 Dave_Ferguson @JaneBozarth Not sure it’s a rare skill. “I’ll try to transfer you, BUT IF YOU GET LOST, the number is…” #mantra #lrnchat
21:02 LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q4: Do reactance, rebound, and curiosity (RRC) foster learning? #lrnchat
21:02 melissachess A3) #lrnchat reminded of Kierkegaard: http://t.co/SHxR9T6AP1
21:02 evanwolf A3 #lrnchat Ignorance of the unknown in the box could kill us, so we open boxes to learn the threat
21:02 evanwolf A3 #lrnchat Schroedinger’s Cat is meowing for us to resolve its paradox
21:02 eLearninCyclops Q4) Yes, although it can also result in learning from mistakes. #lrnchat
21:02 ChristineGaudet RT @jshamsy: Don’t Read This and other reasons for reverse psychology from tonight’s #lrnchat http://t.co/QFnWuhrwz3
21:02 JaneBozarth RT @evanwolf A3 #lrnchat Schroedinger’s Cat is meowing for us to resolve its paradox
21:03 Dave_Ferguson @evanwolf But it’s also NOT meowing. #lrnchat
21:03 JaneBozarth 4 yes, although it may be that you learn something you wish you hadn’t #lrnchat
21:03 Quinnovator RT @Dave_Ferguson: @evanwolf But it’s also NOT meowing. #lrnchat
21:03 jshamsy A4) Both positive & negative learning can come from any of these! #lrnchat
21:03 brunowinck Q4) Foster, motivate yes but substainable effect not sure #lrnchat
21:03 LnDDave A4) I think any time you can link learning to an instinctual human need, you have an advantage. #lrnchat
21:03 JaneBozarth 4 Yes, we are nosy creatures and that leads to learning #lrnchat
21:03 media1der RT @Dave_Ferguson: I like to think I’m good-humored, but institutionalized fun sounds like compliance with clown noses. #lrnchat
21:04 melissachess A4) #lrnchat Yes. Now trying to sort out why I think so… #brb
21:04 LnDDave RT @JaneBozarth: 4 yes, although it may be that you learn something you wish you hadn’t #lrnchat
21:04 Quinnovator @Dave_Ferguson “you are here to have fun, and fun starts with *discipline*” #lrnchat
21:04 Quinnovator RT @Dave_Ferguson: I like to think I’m good-humored, but institutionalized fun sounds like compliance with clown noses. #lrnchat
21:04 JaneBozarth T @Dave_Ferguson: I like to think I’m good-humored, but institutionalized fun sounds like compliance with clown noses. #lrnchat
21:05 Dave_Ferguson @Quinnovator When I hear “you are here to have fun,” I know they’re not talking to me. #lrnchat
21:05 brunowinck Q4) Do links (URL) plays the role boxes in our conncted lives, we keep opening boxes and learn more #lrnchat
21:05 eLearninCyclops Q4) Minimally, it can be used to lead, or mislead, learners to the right place. #lrnchat
21:05 kelly_smith01 RT @JaneBozarth: RT @lrnchat: Q4: Do reactance, rebound, and curiosity (RRC) foster learning? #lrnchat
21:05 Dave_Ferguson @brunowinck I talk about going 3 links out (eg click a blog’s link, click a ref there, click next) as tool for serendipity… #lrnchat
21:05 MichelleLBaker RT @dave_ferguson: I like to think I’m good-humored, but institutionalized fun sounds like compliance with clown noses. #lrnchat
21:05 LnDDave A4) I think it ties to fight or flight in some ways; we have an instinctual need to ‘know’ to mitigate risk. #lrnchat
21:06 Quinnovator a4) when I open the box, or try forbidden fruit, I learn *something* #lrnchat
21:06 Dave_Ferguson @brunowinck …though if you’re the distractable type you lost a lot of Tuesdays that way. #lrnchat
21:06 melissachess #This #Greatmindsandall🙂 RT @elearnincyclops: Q4) Minimally, it can be used to lead, or mislead, learners to the right place. #lrnchat
21:06 MattGuyan A4 yes because they are learner focused #lrnchat
21:06 JaneBozarth this is interesting and all but MrDrJane just showed up w ice cream sandwiches, and not the Android kind #lrnchat
21:07 kelly_smith01 RRC relates or characterizes informal learning #lrnchat
21:07 Dave_Ferguson @jshamsy Ask me some time about a SME’s 269-slide deck for a 3-hour overview… w/ a helper deck of 74 more. #lrnchat
21:07 Quinnovator a4) a bit pavlovian? a few times ago I pressed this button and got a pellet, maybe it will happen again? #lrnchat
21:07 brunowinck @Dave_Ferguson if only tuesdays … but sometimes you end up learning necessary things and win it back #lrnchat
21:07 melissachess .@janebozarth #lrnchat Did he bring enough to share?
21:08 eLearninCyclops Q4) Reverse psych is how I learned what brussel sprouts taste like. #lrnchat
21:08 knolinfos @LnDDave Hi, #lrnchat. #Instinct is a great point, it leads also 2 #curiousity😉
21:08 bshermcincy A4 just don’t seal the box to well. Too often folks seen to use duct tape #lrnchat
21:08 Dave_Ferguson @Quinnovator Pavlovian or Otisanal, in the case of elevator buttons that were already lit. #lrnchat
21:08 JaneBozarth RT @bshermcincy A4 just don’t seal the box to well. Too often folks seen to use duct tape #lrnchat
21:09 kelly_smith01 Enjoying some salt cracker but thinking ice cream sandwiches, #lrnchat
21:09 lrnchat Q5: Have you seen ‘reverse psychology’ (RRC) work in learning? #lrnchat
21:09 Dave_Ferguson @brunowinck Reminds me of supervisor commenting on an employee transfer: I’m trading Joe for Ellen but don’t know if I’ve won. #lrnchat
21:09 brunowinck @eLearninCyclops They had a story like about the introduction of potatoes, guarding and concealling them #lrnchat
21:09 Quinnovator a4) curiosity is pretty much a precondition for learning #lrnchat
21:09 Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q5: Have you seen ‘reverse psychology’ (RRC) work in learning? #lrnchat
21:09 JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat Q5: Have you seen ‘reverse psychology’ (RRC) work in learning? #lrnchat
21:09 eLearninCyclops Q4) Curiosity, or incredible hunger, led someone to open a coconut for the 1st time. #lrnchat
21:10 eLearninCyclops RT @JaneBozarth RT @lrnchat Q5: Have you seen ‘reverse psychology’ (RRC) work in learning? #lrnchat
21:10 LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q5: Have you seen ‘reverse psychology’ (RRC) work in learning? #lrnchat
21:10 Dave_Ferguson Q5: I think clumsy reverse psych, like clumsy humor and clumsy fun, has a very high risk of alienating people. #lrnchat
21:10 casillia RT @lrnchat: #lrnchat on Reverse Psychology, pre-reading link at http://t.co/ijNIXq164N Tonite at 8:30 PM ET, 5:30 PM PT
21:10 JaneBozarth @eLearninCyclops and eat 1st oyster #lrnchat
21:10 TriciaRansom What am I missing? #lrnchat
21:10 melissachess A5) #lrnchat Not as an explicit strategy, but am still relatively new to the field. Will def watch for it going forward.
21:10 Quinnovator a5) seen myself deliberately doing what I was proscribed from, and learning. For better or worse…:) #lrnchat
21:10 Dave_Ferguson As proof, I offer the typical 5 year old. #lrnchat
21:10 kelly_smith01 Reverse psychology and RRC do not work when getting TweetDeck to work #lrnchat
21:10 brunowinck Q4) Animals have curiosity as well, do they experience RRC ? #lrnchat
21:10 LnDDave A5) Not with my 4 year old… #lrnchat
21:11 jshamsy A5) a majority of my educational interactions? *smirk* But really..learning by fear of failure…not so much fun =( #lrnchat
21:11 audioswhite Q4 yes – part of exploration. Maybe not most efficient, listening may have saved a burn, but now I know when light is on its hot. #lrnchat
21:11 JaneBozarth @TriciaRansom I’m having an ice cream sandwich and a bunch of people dropped everything to go buy my new book #lrnchat
21:11 kelly_smith01 RT @JaneBozarth: RT @lrnchat Q5: Have you seen ‘reverse psychology’ (RRC) work in learning? #lrnchat
21:12 Quinnovator a5) “what happens if I do *this*?” You definitely learn what happens…#lrnchat
21:12 kelly_smith01 RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q5: I think clumsy reverse psych, like clumsy humor and clumsy fun, has a very high risk of alienating people. #lrnchat
21:12 MattGuyan A5 not really but would like to #lrnchat
21:12 JaneBozarth @jshamsy & I just conducted rigorous experiment proving it doesn’t always work #lrnchat
21:12 bshermcincy What is the strategy for inherently uninteresting topics? @Quinnovator: a4) curiosity is pretty much a precondition for learning #lrnchat
21:12 eLearninCyclops Q5) I have posted draft courses on LMS specifically marked “Not for public access, for review only” and got tons of launches #lrnchat
21:13 Quinnovator @bshermcincy don’t teach them! If it’s not interesting, it’s not relevant #lrnchat
21:13 LnDDave RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q5: I think clumsy reverse psych, like clumsy humor and clumsy fun, has a very high risk of alienating people. #lrnchat
21:13 JaneBozarth @eLearninCyclops behold the power of No #lrnchat
21:13 melissachess RT @dave_ferguson: Q5: I think clumsy reverse psych, like clumsy humor and clumsy fun, has a very high risk of alienating people. #lrnchat
21:13 JaneBozarth RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q5: I think clumsy reverse psych, like clumsy humor and clumsy fun, has a very high risk of alienating people. #lrnchat
21:13 Quinnovator @bshermcincy and if it *is* important, there is inherent interest (maybe just not obvious) #lrnchat
21:14 casillia A3) @LnDDave and then, sometimes the state of not-knowing is a blessing #lrnchat
21:15 TriciaRansom Never done reverse psych on a course but I want to #lrnchat
21:15 kelly_smith01 A5) Do Not Touch – sign in museum #lrnchat
21:15 JaneBozarth like i said. See? >RT @casillia A3) @LnDDave and then, sometimes the state of not-knowing is a blessing #lrnchat
21:15 media1der People value that which they perceive is rare or valuable. Perception of scarcity is a powerful sales tool. #lrnchat
21:15 JaneBozarth RT @kelly_smith01 A5) Do Not Touch – sign in museum #lrnchat
21:15 Quinnovator RT @kelly_smith01: A5) Do Not Touch – sign in museum #lrnchat < no doubt covered with fingerprints
21:16 jshamsy RT @media1der: People value that which they perceive is rare or valuable. Perception of scarcity is a powerful sales tool. #lrnchat
21:16 TriciaRansom Setting class sizes artificially low (5 ppl) and then marketing it as “better hurry…” #lrnchat
21:16 JaneBozarth Leveraging curiosity less manipulative than other trickery? #lrnchat
21:16 Dave_Ferguson @TriciaRansom That approach works so well for carpet stores. #lrnchat
21:17 JaneBozarth RT @media1der: People value that which they perceive is rare or valuable. Perception of scarcity is a powerful sales tool. #lrnchat
21:17 lrnchat Q6: How could we, and should we, use reverse psychology in learning? #lrnchat
21:17 Quinnovator RT @JaneBozarth: Leveraging curiosity less manipulative than other trickery? #lrnchat < tell me more?🙂
21:17 Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q6: How could we, and should we, use reverse psychology in learning? #lrnchat
21:17 brunowinck Yes RRC and touching go well together RT @kelly_smith01 A5) Do Not Touch – sign in museum #lrnchat
21:17 TriciaRansom Manipulative? i like “clever” or sneaky… RT @JaneBozarth Leveraging curiosity less manipulative than other trickery? #lrnchat #lrnchat
21:17 LnDDave RT @kelly_smith01: A5) Do Not Touch – sign in museum #lrnchat
21:17 eLearninCyclops RT @lrnchat Q6: How could we, and should we, use reverse psychology in learning? #lrnchat
21:18 LnDDave RT @lrnchat: Q6: How could we, and should we, use reverse psychology in learning? #lrnchat
21:18 eLearninCyclops RT @jshamsy: @eLearninCyclops Maybe something like this would work well with due dates =) / It would, jus twish it worked with SMEs #lrnchat
21:18 melissachess A6) #lrnchat Agree with @janebozarth Q of leveraging curiousity, but don’t know about fully utilizing reverse psychology…#mustmulloverthis
21:19 Quinnovator a6) make it intriguing to find out #lrnchat
21:19 JaneBozarth @Quinnovator Thinking intentionally using rebound is more manipulative than just working to arouse curiosity? #lrnchat
21:19 media1der Today transparency and authenticity are so highly valued; approach “tactics” with care #lrnchat
21:19 ChristineGaudet RT @JaneBozarth Leveraging curiosity less manipulative than other trickery? #lrnchat
21:20 JaneBozarth I’m not doing q6. #lrnchat
21:20 Quinnovator @JaneBozarth I reckon I’d rather invoke curiosity than try to counter-invoke concept; make concept meaningful by intriguing problem #lrnchat
21:20 eLearninCyclops Q6) Certainly in marketing a course – intrinsic motivation. #lrnchat
21:20 TriciaRansom Q6) use w/SMEs all the time. “Love all your content and wouldn’t dream of cutting a word”. They always give me free leeway #lrnchat
21:21 brunowinck A6) Isn’t it what’s used in web site when you can only get an invite -> increase interest #lrnchat
21:21 nthtbranum RT @TeachThought: Using Instagram To Document Abstract Ideas http://t.co/hDHaGkoDdR #edtech #lrnchat #edtechchat
21:21 bshermcincy RT @media1der: Today transparency and authenticity are so highly valued; approach “tactics” with care #lrnchat
21:21 eLearninCyclops Q6) Don’t be so direct, allow opportunities for curiosity. #lrnchat
21:21 casillia A3) @JaneBozarth @LnDDave or vice versa: there are scenarios when knowledge fells like burden & ignorance would make life easier #lrnchat
21:21 JaneBozarth Who remembers the “Google Plus Beanie Baby Invitation Strategy”? #lrnchat
21:22 Quinnovator a6) prefer “how does the box work?” versus “don’t think of Y” or “you can’t have Z” #lrnchat
21:22 TriciaRansom Google Wave surf board RT @JaneBozarth Who remembers the “Google Plus Beanie Baby Invitation Strategy”? #lrnchat #lrnchat
21:22 kelly_smith01 Have to step out – gr8 tie in between reading an chat #lrnchat
21:23 JaneBozarth @casillia @LnDDave how is that different? #lrnchat
21:23 casillia A3) @JaneBozarth @LnDDave admittedly I am thinking politics now #lrnchat
21:23 media1der Yes – intrinsic motiviation @eLearninCyclops is by nature about the learner not about the material #lrnchat
21:24 TriciaRansom Gotta go. Have lost my multitasking #lrnchat and #NFL abilities and football is literally yelling at me. bye guys! #lrnchat
21:24 MattGuyan A6 be less controlling of learners #lrnchat
21:24 Quinnovator a6) how do I do X? What makes Y happen? How can I cause Z? #lrnchat
21:25 lrnchat QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
21:25 Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
21:25 casillia A3) @JaneBozarth @LnDDave hmm because one cannot make knowledge unhappen? #dilemma #BurdenOfKnowing #lrnchat
21:25 eLearninCyclops RT @MattGuyan A6 be less controlling of learners #lrnchat
21:25 eLearninCyclops RT @Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourselves. Shameless plugs welcome #lrnchat
21:26 Quinnovator Over already? Thanks to new and returning participants for another witty and wise #lrnchat
21:26 JaneBozarth Jane. New book out. Online Learning in Chicago week after next. #lrnchat
21:27 brunowinck Shall we do another round, for the pleasure🙂 #lrnchat
21:27 brunowinck Don’t register for Twitter based learning experi[ence/ment] on #xAPI on Sept 17th, (fun incl.) don’t follow @xAPI_JV for +info #lrnchat
21:27 Quinnovator Clark Quinn, learntech strategist, consultant/author/speaker, don’t check out my blog at http://t.co/Nm5yXCbV5R #lrnchat
21:27 eLearninCyclops QWrap) Jeff Goldman – Baltimore. Don’t read my post re: eLearning Character Chart or start using it http://t.co/Hp9K53Z6v4 #lrnchat
21:28 LnDDave Always good to spend time with my #lrnchat friends. Have a great week everyone.
21:28 jshamsy Qwrap) Quite a conversation tonight…lots to think about. Thanks for the great #lrnchat
21:28 melissachess Wrap) Melissa here. ID in Canberra. Great chatting with y’all today #NowIwantIceCream #BooLactoseIntolerance #lrnchat #forgothashtageearlier
21:28 brunowinck @eLearninCyclops click, click, clic, #lrnchat
21:29 eLearninCyclops RT @brunowinck @eLearninCyclops click, click, clic, #lrnchat // Thanks🙂
21:29 MattGuyan Over already? Is this reverse psychology? Thanks everyone🙂 My latest blog post > Shout-out to my #PLN http://t.co/TLlqy44Rao #lrnchat
21:30 lrnchat Thanks everyone for joining #lrnchat tonight. See you next week!