Transcript 4 April 2013 Rewards

08:30:46 pm lrnchat: Hello everyone and welcome to #lrnchat. Thanks for joining us this evening.
08:31:05 pm eLearninCyclops: Pardon all the tweets – gettin ready gor #lrnchat
08:31:09 pm Tracy_Parish: Good evening #lrnchat. Welcome to another Thursday evening.
08:31:25 pm lrnchat: Please introduce yourself. Name, specialties, interests, etc.? #lrnchat
08:32:12 pm lodtrain: #lrnchat IT Global Education – clickity click training and happy to be here
08:32:24 pm lrnchat: Q0. We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:32:59 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Autumn T. E.learning buff, fresh in the video pond, m.learning hunter, LMS admin. #happylrnchateveryone!
08:33:00 pm TheAirton: Excuse the extra tweets all #lrnchat
08:33:02 pm scartsos: Hi, Sam here. Accessibility and learning is my thang. #lrnchat
08:33:13 pm chris_saeger: In Roanoke VA, looking at 4 inches of snow that fell this afternoon. interested in active learning and finding spring. #lrnchat
08:33:34 pm Tracy_Parish: Q0) I learned that you can still see PANSTARRS? Here’s tonight’s guide chart http://t.co/8GKCAdhl6X #lrnchat
08:33:40 pm JaneBozarth: RT @lrnchat: Q0. We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:33:44 pm TheAirton: Airton from Orlando, thinker and doer, Evening all #lrnchat
08:33:45 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith Plano, Texas #lrnchat
08:33:54 pm lodtrain: Q0) Learned that elearning on mobile will be available with Articulate Studio 13, and on Storyline today #lrnchat
08:33:58 pm scartsos: Q0 – Something I Learned Today – http://t.co/K4UQw1N0Ok #lrnchat
08:33:58 pm eLearninCyclops: Jeff Goldman – eLearning Designer in Baltimore, MD. My specialty today… teaching RNs all about using computers🙂 #lrnchat
08:34:03 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Manage your expectations of the people closest to you – they will still shock you by their choices.
08:34:05 pm JaneBozarth: Oh look there’s #lrnchat !
08:34:21 pm JaneBozarth: RT @TeachThought: Are These The 20 Most Useful #hashtags In Education? http://t.co/jPz68ExNDr #edtech #21stedchat #lrnchat
08:34:28 pm lodtrain: Q0) Learned that am addicted to pinterest for learning #lrnchat
08:34:30 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q0: NEW HTML CODING!! Hurrayy! Thanks @AllisonRH
08:34:35 pm TheAirton: I learned that Facebook wants to give me a Home on my phone then dump ads in my lap #lrnchat
08:34:53 pm Tracy_Parish: I hear you there. Love it for finding inspiration. RT @lodtrain: Q0) Learned that am addicted to pinterest for learning #lrnchat
08:35:21 pm lodtrain: “@TeachThought: Are These The 20 Most Useful #hashtags In Education? http://t.co/H220rEuEyr #edtech #21stedchat #lrnchat”look #lrnchat
08:35:26 pm scartsos: Ha! True.. I learned that too! RT @TheAirton: I learned that Facebook wants to give me a Home on my phone then dump ads in my lap #lrnchat
08:35:33 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat Ian M. Industrial engineer, lms admin by association
08:35:42 pm TheAirton: That the 1st step to fixing it. WElcome. RT @lodtrain: Q0) Learned that am addicted to pinterest for learning #lrnchat
08:36:01 pm eLearninCyclops: q0) Learned 2day – We have a new manager at my org who is extremely supportive of getting here peeps trained – Yay! #lrnchat
08:36:22 pm lrnchat: Q1) What are good ways you have seen learning rewarded? #lrnchat
08:36:43 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are good ways you have seen learning rewarded? #lrnchat
08:36:59 pm weisblatt: Joining lrnchat. Wave of tweets comin. Join us. #Lrnchat
08:37:01 pm Tracy_Parish: I learned that if I act really stressed around one particular co-worker – they will reward me with chocolate. #lrnchat #serenitynow
08:37:04 pm billcush: Bill Cushard. Never lived in a place where I looked forward to spring. Now I do. Weird. I dabble in onboarding, systems training… #lrnchat
08:37:09 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are good ways you have seen learning rewarded? #Lrnchat
08:37:17 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q1) positive feedback from support teams
08:37:22 pm JoshCav: Hello! Josh Cavalier – Charlotte, NC. Training trainers on how to make awesome training. Captivate, Storyline, Lectora – oh my… #lrnchat
08:37:27 pm scartsos: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are good ways you have seen learning rewarded? #lrnchat
08:37:33 pm eLearninCyclops: Q1) Recognition ceremonies #lrnchat
08:37:34 pm Tracy_Parish: Looks like I answered question 1 inadvertently. #lrnchat
08:37:42 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q1: LOTS OF HUGS! #red #hbdihumour
08:37:44 pm weisblatt: q1) sounds hokey but learning really is its own reward #Lrnchat
08:37:58 pm billcush: I still don’t get Pinterest. Am just too slow, I guess. RT @lodtrain: Q0) Learned that am addicted to pinterest for learning #lrnchat
08:38:00 pm TheAirton: Q0) learned that too many ppl live life like Sisyphus #lrnchat
08:38:04 pm gminks: Q0) I (re)learned that customers just want to be heard…and acknowledged #lrnchat
08:38:22 pm Tracy_Parish: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are good ways you have seen learning rewarded? #lrnchat
08:38:26 pm scartsos: Hokey but true🙂 RT @weisblatt: q1) sounds hokey but learning really is its own reward #lrnchat
08:38:36 pm JD_Dillon: Darn. Late to 2 twitter chats today! Hi everyone … JD from Orlando. #lrnchat
08:38:38 pm lodtrain: Q1) Idea expo’s sharing ideas with eachother (informal) rewarded by implementing idea and $ #lrnchat
08:38:47 pm JD_Dillon: RT @weisblatt: q1) sounds hokey but learning really is its own reward #Lrnchat
08:38:48 pm chris_saeger: Q1) a personal sense of accomplishment for the learner. #lrnchat
08:38:48 pm TheAirton: A1) Salary increases #lrnchat
08:38:49 pm gminks: RT @eLearninCyclops: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are good ways you have seen learning rewarded? #lrnchat
08:38:56 pm weisblatt: Qintro) Adam Weisblatt Fairfield ct #Lrnchat
08:39:02 pm billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are good ways you have seen learning rewarded? #lrnchat
08:39:17 pm jj_litt: #lrnchat Jenny from MO. Currently in the car driving back from Spring Break in FL w the fam. I learned that great memories r priceless.
08:39:20 pm Tracy_Parish: Q1) Some my disagree with being good, but I have seen learning rewarded with extra responsibilities/projects. #lrnchat
08:39:28 pm JaneBozarth: Q1) What are good ways you have seen learning rewarded? #lrnchat
08:39:33 pm eLearninCyclops: Q1) Allowing them to become the teacher #lrnchat
08:39:36 pm billcush: Q1) An automated certificate at the end of an e-learning course. Good times! #lrnchat
08:39:40 pm gminks: Q1) $$$$$$$$$$ #lrnchat
08:39:42 pm TheAirton: A1) Badges, Yes we need stinking badges. not all times #lrnchat
08:40:02 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q1) shocking everyone you know with your new skills! BLAM! #brainmattereverywhere
08:40:13 pm Dan_Jacques_LD: I have seen good learning best rewarded, when the recognition was personalized for person and what they desired, not standardized #lrnchat
08:40:19 pm Tracy_Parish: Q1) Successful learning rewarded with promotion. #lrnchat
08:40:21 pm billcush: Q1) It had my name on it and everything. #lrnchat
08:40:34 pm TheAirton: ding ding ding RT @gminks: Q1) $$$$$$$$$$ #lrnchat
08:40:50 pm JaneBozarth: @billcush didja frame it? #lrnchat
08:40:50 pm jj_litt: @Tracy_Parish I agree. It’s unfortunate! #lrnchat
08:40:51 pm lodtrain: Q1) Learning rewarded in mentoring and watching mentees pay it forward #lrnchat
08:40:52 pm eLearninCyclops: MT @Tracy_Parish: …but I have seen learning rewarded w extra responsibilities/projects | & take simple projects off their plate #lrnchat
08:40:55 pm JD_Dillon: A1) Opportunities to learn and do even more. #lrnchat
08:40:56 pm weisblatt: Q1) if you learn people think of you as someone who can take on more challenges. #Lrnchat
08:41:39 pm weisblatt: Q1) theoretically the goal was better performance so you should get rewarded for the better performance. #Lrnchat
08:41:53 pm a_Tuffin: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat Q1: ocular high fives @jamiedewU #mindblown
08:41:59 pm Tracy_Parish: That would be nice. More opportunities. RT @JD_Dillon: A1) Opportunities to learn and do even more. #lrnchat
08:42:01 pm JaneBozarth: Did master’s work partly to learn to speak language of HR/others not in the field. Found that paid off well. #lrnchat
08:42:03 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q1: level by level certification and by seeing someone implement what they’ve learned and realizing the impact generated
08:42:06 pm TheAirton: A1) There should be no reward for doing your job. It’s the increase ansd self growth initiatives that should be rewarded #lrnchat
08:42:22 pm JaneBozarth: I’m not using the Q/A numbers because I am a REBEL yee haw. #lrnchat
08:42:31 pm weisblatt: Q1) We introduce a campaign to achieve something and give prizes and launch the learning simultaneously. #Lrnchat
08:42:35 pm eLearninCyclops: Q1) Additional learning resources (books, software, etc) to allow more advanced learning… & a certificate #lrnchat
08:42:43 pm billcush: @janebozarth Not framed….but actually tacked it up on the wall. #HokeyAsItGets #lrnchat
08:42:52 pm Tracy_Parish: Spoken like true mgmt.🙂 RT @TheAirton: A1) There should be no reward for doing your job. #lrnchat
08:42:54 pm weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: Did masters work partly to learn to speak language of HR/others not in the field. Found that paid off well. #Lrnchat
08:43:14 pm JD_Dillon: A1) Reward for learning – the opportunity to teach and share. #lrnchat
08:43:15 pm weisblatt: Always! RT @JaneBozarth: Im not using the Q/A numbers because I am a REBEL yee haw. #Lrnchat
08:43:21 pm lodtrain: Q1) via #lrnchat feel rewarded when I pick up tips and good advice🙂
08:43:28 pm jj_litt: Q1: opportunities to share learning with others #lrnchat
08:43:41 pm Tracy_Parish: My colleague and I used to see who could post the most certificates on our shared wall. #lrnchat (I won by the way)
08:43:57 pm eLearninCyclops: Q1) A comp day is nice #lrnchat
08:43:57 pm TheAirton: thats what salary negotiations are for @tracy_parish #lrnchat
08:44:06 pm weisblatt: RT @a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q1) shocking everyone you know with your new skills! BLAM! #brainmattereverywhere #Lrnchat
08:44:16 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @Tracy_Parish: My colleague and I used to see who could post the most certificates on our shared wall. (I won by the way) #lrnchat
08:44:35 pm Tracy_Parish: Success you learned WHMIS symbols – take tomorrow off. #dreambig RT @eLearninCyclops: Q1) A comp day is nice #lrnchat
08:44:36 pm a_Tuffin: “I like how you put 2 ideas in one tweet!” .. “I’m all about efficiency” @Nitz_Noise #lrnchat
08:44:39 pm lodtrain: Q1) We have a system at work that allows colleagues to reward eachother with good ideas, sharing, connecting… #lrnchat
08:44:57 pm weisblatt: RT @eLearninCyclops: Q1) A comp day is nice. They do that for charity work. #Lrnchat
08:44:59 pm TheAirton: My fav RT @elearnincyclops: Q1) A comp day is nice #lrnchat
08:45:13 pm lrnchat: Q2) What are some examples of rewarding learning that have backfired? #lrnchat
08:45:15 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @JD_Dillon: A1) Reward for learning – the opportunity to teach and share. | Benefits all and empowering #lrnchat
08:45:26 pm billcush: Q1) Have seen people get invited to participate on projects at work….after completing a course or certification program. #lrnchat
08:45:29 pm weisblatt: RT @lodtrain: Q1) We have a system at work that allows colleagues to reward eachother with good ideas, sharing, connecting… #Lrnchat
08:45:41 pm JoshCav: @Tracy_Parish Peer-to-peer recognition of accomplishment! #lrnchat
08:45:48 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some examples of rewarding learning that have backfired? #lrnchat
08:45:49 pm billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some examples of rewarding learning that have backfired? #lrnchat
08:45:52 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some examples of rewarding learning that have backfired? #lrnchat
08:45:57 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some examples of rewarding learning that have backfired? #Lrnchat
08:46:00 pm lodtrain: Q1) Was once rewarded in a global class by folks applauding (was my fav moment ever) #lrnchat
08:46:09 pm gminks: RT @eLearninCyclops: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some examples of rewarding learning that have backfired? #lrnchat
08:46:19 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat. #lrnchat Q2: hugging the blues #hbdihumour
08:46:32 pm Tracy_Parish: Q2) Congratulations you learned WHMIS symbols – now on to Privacy Issues #lrnchat
08:46:35 pm JaneBozarth: RT @weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some examples of rewarding learning that have backfired? #lrnchat
08:46:57 pm JaneBozarth: Best reward I’ve found: If you finish the online course by xxxx then you don’t have to come to the F2F class. #lrnchat
08:47:07 pm TheAirton: A2) the self promotion to Sage-on-the-Stage office #lrnchat
08:47:13 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q2: saying the same filler word… 1000 times… And it loses meaning. #awesome @_GinaN
08:47:20 pm JD_Dillon: A2) I once got a paper cut from a certificate … #lrnchat
08:47:33 pm eLearninCyclops: Q1) Calling them THE EXPERT and then they get deluged by calls and requests #lrnchat
08:47:33 pm weisblatt: q2. Once a trainer threw candy at the class like they were trained seals. I might have been thinly one unimpressed though. #Lrnchat
08:47:36 pm JaneBozarth: @weisblatt I might use Roman numerals. #lrnchat
08:47:42 pm Tracy_Parish: Ha, you’re lucky. RT @JD_Dillon: A2) I once got a paper cut from a certificate … #lrnchat
08:47:58 pm weisblatt: RT @JD_Dillon: A2) I once got a paper cut from a certificate … #Lrnchat
08:48:24 pm JaneBozarth: @JD_Dillon did you find that rewarding? #lrnchat
08:48:43 pm billcush: Q2) New project, more responsibility, more work, longer hours, more visibility….no more pay. #lrnchat
08:48:44 pm TheAirton: A2) I gave myself the “SME certificate/badge/medal” #lrnchat
08:48:52 pm eLearninCyclops: Q2) I was once given a broken desk clock, but at least it was stuck at 5 o’clock #lrnchat
08:48:56 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q2: providing a sense of over confidence and ‘know it all-ism’.
08:49:12 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q2: over compensating monetarily – setting the expectation it will continue .. Sometimes, it doesn’t! #ohshoot
08:49:35 pm chris_saeger: Q2) just heard a story about a presenter using cash in a session, the next presenter didn’t and had an testy crowd. #lrnchat
08:50:02 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat the highest perch is ofter the weakest
08:50:08 pm billcush: The gift that keeps on giving… RT @weisblatt: RT @JD_Dillon: A2) I once got a paper cut from a certificate … #Lrnchat
08:50:10 pm atomic_learning: Coming of age in a digital age: http://t.co/dehBCPhrVg #edtech #lrnchat #edchat
08:50:13 pm JD_Dillon: @JaneBozarth ummmm … yes!🙂 #lrnchat
08:50:16 pm weisblatt: Q2) people laugh at your certificate. #Lrnchat
08:50:30 pm LnDDave: Greetings #lrnchat. David Kelly from NY, popping in to say Hi!
08:50:57 pm TriciaRansom: Hi all. This is Tricia formerly of Chicago, now San Jose, but tweeting from Orlando. #lrnchat
08:51:00 pm TheAirton: A3) Rewards can become expectation not encouragement #lrnchat
08:51:16 pm Tracy_Parish: Q2) We have a program that has participants because they have been identified for leadership roles. They complete the program ….#lrnchat
08:51:25 pm JaneBozarth: @JD_Dillon was there a Batman bandaid after? #lrnchat
08:51:34 pm Tracy_Parish: And then don’t get the opportunity to go into those roles as expected. #lrnchat
08:51:46 pm weisblatt: RT @LnDDave: Greetings #lrnchat. >I know the service was slow in the restaurant right?😉 #Lrnchat
08:51:47 pm Dan_Jacques_LD: If not positioned or explained (WIIFM) I have seen extra work or responsibility be looked upon as a bad reward #lrnchat
08:51:49 pm billcush: Q2) Certificates are the new binders. Everyone wants one…but no ones uses them. #lrnchat
08:51:57 pm JD_Dillon: @JaneBozarth Nope … Disney Princesses!🙂 #lrnchat
08:52:16 pm jj_litt: RT @billcush: Q2) Certificates are the new binders. Everyone wants one…but no ones uses them. #lrnchat
08:52:31 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @Tracy_Parish: And then dont get the opportunity to go into those roles as expected. | We have a similar leadership prgrm – ugh #lrnchat
08:52:41 pm Tracy_Parish: @billcush Hey, they keep me from seeing the ugly paint colour that they have painted my office. #lrnchat🙂
08:52:47 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @jj_litt: RT @billcush: Q2) Certificates are the new binders. Everyone wants one…but no ones uses them. #lrnchat
08:52:48 pm scartsos: Depends if they’re of consequence RT @billcush: Q2) Certificates are the new binders. Everyone wants one…but no ones uses them. #lrnchat
08:53:08 pm TheAirton: You mean TrapperKeepers? RT @billcush: Q2) Certificates are the new binders. Everyone wants one…but no ones uses them. #lrnchat
08:53:16 pm lrnchat: Q3) Should learning be (extrinsically) rewarded? Why or why not? #lrnchat
08:53:24 pm JD_Dillon: A2) Can we stop giving people rewards for participation? Not everyone deserves a trophy. #lrnchat
08:53:27 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat damn lack of spell check…often the weakest
08:53:31 pm weisblatt: RT @Tracy_Parish: Q2) ….because they have been identified for leadership roles. > makes the people not selected feel real good. #Lrnchat
08:53:40 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q3) Should learning be (extrinsically) rewarded? Why or why not? #lrnchat
08:53:50 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q3) Should learning be (extrinsically) rewarded? Why or why not? #Lrnchat
08:53:51 pm TriciaRansom: RT @JD_Dillon: A2) Can we stop giving people rewards for participation? Not everyone deserves a trophy. #lrnchat
08:54:14 pm JaneBozarth: II. Been fortunate to have bosses who actually do recognize when I learn and acknowledge/ask to utilize/whatever. It does matter. #lrnchat
08:54:20 pm weisblatt: q3). How about rewarding a habit of learning and sharing. #Lrnchat
08:54:20 pm scartsos: RT @JD_Dillon: A2) Can we stop giving people rewards for participation? Not everyone deserves a trophy. #lrnchat
08:54:31 pm Dan_Jacques_LD: When everyone gets exactly the same reward regardless is often seen as a bad reward in learning #lrnchat
08:54:33 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q3) Should learning be (extrinsically) rewarded? Why or why not? Dan Pink says “Na”🙂 #lrnchat
08:54:38 pm TheAirton: A3) Only if the reverse is also true. WHat value does it have? #lrnchat
08:54:53 pm billcush: @tracy_parish You have that many binders AND certificates? You must be a genius… #lrnchat
08:55:02 pm JaneBozarth: Q3) Should learning be (extrinsically) rewarded? Why or why not? #lrnchat
08:55:14 pm Tracy_Parish: Q2) Asked to share your learnings with others and then no one uses your discoveries to enhance their own work. #lrnchat
08:55:14 pm JD_Dillon: A3) Depends on the needs of the participants … some require extrinsic motivation/rewards until intrinsic takes hold. #lrnchat
08:56:00 pm weisblatt: a3) We choose to learn only because we want to get a future advantage. Getting baubles now is irrelevant. #Lrnchat
08:56:03 pm TheAirton: A3) There has to be second place #lrnchat
08:56:06 pm JaneBozarth: III. Would like to see explicit sharing, telling, articulating, demo of that learning rewarded/acknowleged #lrnchat
08:56:13 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q3) YES! Drive your own bus folks🙂 people notice🙂
08:56:13 pm weisblatt: RT @Tracy_Parish: Q2) Asked to share your learnings with others and then no one uses your discoveries to enhance their own work. #Lrnchat
08:56:13 pm JD_Dillon: A3) You can’t just throw certificates and badges around and assume people will value learning as a result. #lrnchat
08:56:23 pm scartsos: Q3 – if the intrinsic motivation is not there, extrinsic motivation won’t help much #lrnchat
08:56:30 pm TriciaRansom: Q3) if extrinsically rewarded, reward becomes motivation rather than joy o learning #lrnchat
08:56:31 pm weisblatt: RT @JD_Dillon: A3) Depends on the needs of the participants some require extrinsic motivation/rewards until intrinsic takes hold. #Lrnchat
08:56:40 pm billcush: @scartsos There’s a consequence alright….more distracting clutter on my desk. #lrnchat
08:56:46 pm JaneBozarth: III. Even if we (here, in lrnchat) don’t seem to value them, we do agree that some folks seem to love those certificates #lrnchat
08:56:53 pm JaneBozarth: @scartsos agreed. well said. #lrnchat
08:56:54 pm scartsos: Q3: Then again, some encouragement never hurts #lrnchat
08:56:56 pm JaneBozarth: RT @scartsos: Q3 – if the intrinsic motivation is not there, extrinsic motivation wont help much #lrnchat
08:56:58 pm billcush: @theairton Love this. I might still have one around here someplace. #lrnchat
08:57:06 pm Tracy_Parish: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @scartsos: Q3 – if the intrinsic motivation is not there, extrinsic motivation wont help much #lrnchat
08:57:15 pm lodtrain: Q3) Hmm all rewards are good! outside the job, extrinsic such as volunteering and receiving rewards is nice #lrnchat
08:57:19 pm jj_litt: Learning relevant, interesting things is intrinsically rewarding. However, it is nice to be acknowledged occasionally. #lrnchat
08:57:22 pm Edustrategies: RT @snbeach: Don’t forget.. your voice matters. http://t.co/JrH9Hpp18l #plpnetwork #edchat #fetc #ce12 #lrnchat #pblchat #vflr #edtech #edreform #edadmin
08:57:26 pm scartsos: Haha! RT @billcush: @scartsos Theres a consequence alright….more distracting clutter on my desk. #lrnchat
08:57:33 pm weisblatt: If @janebozarth is using Roman numerals then I’m using binary. What are we on question 11? #Lrnchat
08:57:34 pm Edustrategies: RT @eyeoneducation: Create a Technology-Infused, Student-Centered Classroom http://t.co/Ym46IAQVM1 #edchat #edtech #teachchat #lrnchat
08:57:35 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q3: Yes its the hardest form, trying to learn when its not inherent
08:57:42 pm scartsos: @billcush I keeps my certificates digital! #lrnchat
08:57:44 pm TriciaRansom: Q3) the warm fuzzy from telling yourself “DANG! I got this!” Is waaayyyy longer lasting than a certificate/gift card #lrnchat
08:58:11 pm Tracy_Parish: @billcush No one said the certificates were award for anything like calculus or genetic engineering. LOL #lrnchat
08:58:16 pm TheAirton: good night all #lrnchat
08:58:18 pm chris_saeger: Q3) I think a better Q is how and when can extrinsic rewards be used effectively. #lrnchat
08:58:19 pm Dan_Jacques_LD: Q3) It needs to be a mixture of intrinsically & extrinsically in most cases , but if is more intrinsically better chance of sucess #lrnchat
08:58:22 pm Edustrategies: RT @TeachThought: Are These The 20 Most Useful #hashtags In Education? http://t.co/jPz68ExNDr #edtech #21stedchat #lrnchat
08:58:29 pm JaneBozarth: @weisblatt see now it’s anarchy. However will we manage? #lrnchat
08:58:33 pm billcush: People scream bloody murder if they don’t get one. RT @janebozarth: III. …..some folks seem to love those certificates #lrnchat
08:58:33 pm theASIDEblog: We have too many rewards. Motivation should come from within. Benefits don’t have to be rewards. #lrnchat
08:58:39 pm JaneBozarth: @TheAirton get back here. #lrnchat
08:58:43 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q3: it really also depends on your views of what “rewarded” means… Yes? No? Hmmm.. #focus
08:58:43 pm weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @scartsos: Q3 – if the intrinsic motivation is not there, extrinsic motivation wont help much #Lrnchat
08:58:46 pm TriciaRansom: Q3) does extrinsic reward include things such as public acknowledgment, peer recognition, etc? #lrnchat
08:58:54 pm Tracy_Parish: Agreed! RT @TriciaRansom: Q3) the warm fuzzy from telling yourself “I got this!” Is longer lasting than a certificate/gift card #lrnchat
08:59:22 pm weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: anarchy. However will we manage? Let them have badges! #Lrnchat
08:59:23 pm TriciaRansom: Q3) I ain’t taking no training less I get my certiifi a #lrnchat
08:59:33 pm theASIDEblog: @JaneBozarth @scartsos Agreed, to learn is to grow from the bottom up! #lrnchat
09:00:04 pm TriciaRansom: q3) I ain’t taking no training less I get my certificate, printed in colour, and FRAMED! #lrnchat
09:00:09 pm scartsos: Damn straight! RT @TriciaRansom: Q3) I aint taking no training less I get my certiifi a #lrnchat
09:00:19 pm theASIDEblog: Own it to learn it. #lrnchat
09:00:28 pm weisblatt: Q3. Best extrinsic award. Getting assigned the coolest job. #Lrnchat
09:00:35 pm scartsos: and inside out too! RT @theASIDEblog: @JaneBozarth @scartsos Agreed, to learn is to grow from the bottom up! #lrnchat
09:00:46 pm atomic_learning: Free Webinar: Aligning Curriculum and Technology http://t.co/TEDpfXfbOA #lrnchat
09:00:58 pm TheAirton: I am back #lrnchat #computerreboot
09:01:10 pm jj_litt: @TriciaRansom bet you want your name spelled correctly too! Demands… #lrnchat
09:01:14 pm jshamsy: RT @scartsos: Q3 – if the intrinsic motivation is not there, extrinsic motivation won’t help much #lrnchat
09:01:38 pm weisblatt: RT @theASIDEblog: Own it to learn it. #Lrnchat
09:01:39 pm TriciaRansom: Duh RT @jj_litt: @TriciaRansom bet you want your name spelled correctly too! Demands… #lrnchat
09:01:43 pm JaneBozarth: @TheAirton bout time #lrnchat
09:01:44 pm theASIDEblog: Learning to do things for yourself changes your direction. #lrnchat
09:01:56 pm Edustrategies: Q3: Extrinsic motivation still helps. Learners will do s/t to please the teacher, then end up liking it. Experience > intrinsic. #lrnchat
09:02:06 pm scartsos: Q3 – extrinsic rewards are best when soliciting feedback on the learning #lrnchat
09:02:13 pm weisblatt: RT @theASIDEblog: Learning to do things for yourself changes your direction. #Lrnchat
09:02:19 pm lrnchat: Q4) Some organizations give rewards and awards related to learning programs. What would make a learning award meaningful to you? #lrnchat
09:02:22 pm jenhegna: RT @TeachThought: Are These The 20 Most Useful #hashtags In Education? http://t.co/jPz68ExNDr #edtech #21stedchat #lrnchat
09:02:35 pm TheAirton: A3) public schools are a perfect example of only extrinsic learning. Memorize for the test, #lrnchat
09:03:07 pm scartsos: Q3 – hand over that extra credit, discount or a starbucks card for me to tell you how that worked and where it paid off #lrnchat
09:03:20 pm TheAirton: @janebozarth not prepared with the extra battery #learningmoment #lrnchat
09:03:25 pm scartsos: Bingo! RT @TheAirton: A3) public schools are a perfect example of only extrinsic learning. Memorize for the test, #lrnchat
09:03:28 pm JaneBozarth: Q4) Some organizations give rewards and awards related to learning programs. What would make a learning award meaningful to you? #lrnchat
09:03:55 pm JaneBozarth: yup RT @TheAirton: A3) public schools are a perfect example of only extrinsic learning. Memorize for the test, #lrnchat
09:03:55 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q4: knowing that because of my learning – others will grow!!
09:04:04 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would make a learning award meaningful to you? #Lrnchat
09:04:26 pm jj_litt: A4: inspiring or impacting others in some way #lrnchat
09:04:40 pm Dan_Jacques_LD: Q4) For myself the reward is personal confirmation that I have taken a step to achieving my long term goals #lrnchat
09:04:54 pm JD_Dillon: A4) I want opportunities to share, explore, and improve … not certificates, statues, or collectable pins. #lrnchat
09:05:07 pm JaneBozarth: A former boss loved for us to get awards & b/c I’m the writer s/he had me do it. Mostly it was fiction writing contest. #sorry #lrnchat
09:05:15 pm TheAirton: A3) One that recognizes the extra effort & time it took to get and challenges me 2 a next step #lrnchat
09:05:34 pm jj_litt: True that! “@a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q4: knowing that because of my learning – others will grow!!”
09:05:36 pm weisblatt: Q4) got loads of room in my head for learning but not enough room on my desk for awards. #Lrnchat
09:05:46 pm JaneBozarth: RT @JD_Dillon: A4) I want opportunities to share, explore, and improve … not certificates, statues, or collectable pins. #lrnchat
09:05:47 pm chris_saeger: Q3)ish Clark Quinn has good post “engagification” that speaks to intrinsic/extrinsic rewards http://t.co/0kk6YRnbca #lrnchat
09:06:00 pm TheAirton: I need the pins @JD_Dillon #lrnchat
09:06:15 pm lodtrain: Q4) Meaningful rewards can be Company wide rewards (large group recognizing) recognition seen as making a difference #lrnchat
09:06:19 pm weisblatt: RT @JD_Dillon: A4) I want opportunities to share, explore, and improve … not certificates, statues, or collectable pins. #Lrnchat
09:06:33 pm Edustrategies: A4) My reward is student ‘aha’ moments and depths of intrinsic motivation that comes from following their passion. #lrnchat
09:07:17 pm JaneBozarth: IV. I LOVE @elearningguild’s Demofest, btw, and would think peer-voted rewards would be meaningful #lrnchat
09:07:49 pm theASIDEblog: @weisblatt @lrnchat Satisfaction, personal praise, and sheer success that you did it yourself. #lrnchat
09:07:58 pm weisblatt: Q4) to be honest I find all that stuff embarrassing. #Lrnchat
09:07:58 pm lodtrain: Q4) Rewards are seeing folks take your education/training and teaching others, u can see your trng in action #lrnchat
09:08:02 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q4: exploring and implementing ideas taking the learning
09:08:39 pm JaneBozarth: On the other hand, you end up with people saying they are “Certified Knowledge Management Experts” b/c they paid for that #lrnchat
09:08:42 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat having the ability to teach on… That’s an award all in itself. #heckyes
09:08:46 pm jj_litt: Indeed! “@weisblatt: Q4) to be honest I find all that stuff embarrassing. #Lrnchat”
09:09:09 pm weisblatt: @JaneBozarth how about a practice of peers voting on best action on learning. #Lrnchat
09:09:11 pm JaneBozarth: @weisblatt me too #lrnchat
09:09:17 pm Edustrategies: RT @JD_Dillon: A4) I want opportunities to share, explore, and improve … not certificates, statues, or collectable pins. #lrnchat
09:09:20 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat beyond what it was intended
09:09:28 pm lodtrain: q4) I got a TV and recliner as a reward, sitting in it now doing #lrnchat
09:09:31 pm chris_saeger: Q4) looks like differing rewards for different “learning styles”😉 #lrnchat
09:09:49 pm TheAirton: A4) rewards are important. Everyone wants the “atta-boys” #lrnchat
09:10:12 pm JaneBozarth: @weisblatt I like that #Lrnchat IVc.&.3
09:10:17 pm weisblatt: Q4) how about awards like Most Sales. Most Patents. Highest customer service #Lrnchat
09:10:24 pm TheAirton: JEALOUS RT @lodtrain: q4) I got a TV and recliner as a reward, sitting in it now doing #lrnchat
09:10:36 pm lrnchat: Q5) What makes a reward program credible? #lrnchat
09:10:49 pm JaneBozarth: Overall, are ‘rewards for learning’ different than rewards for anything else? #lrnchat
09:10:54 pm scartsos: Q4: Rewards should count for something. College credit? Credit for prof certification, continuing ed? #lrnchat
09:10:58 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What makes a reward program credible? #Lrnchat
09:11:02 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What makes a reward program credible? #lrnchat
09:11:11 pm JaneBozarth: Q5) What makes a reward program credible? #lrnchat
09:11:12 pm TheAirton: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What makes a reward program credible? #lrnchat
09:11:15 pm weisblatt: Q5: Relevance! #Lrnchat
09:11:17 pm OU812Jensen: #lrnchat a2) Not knowing how to award in the first place huge backfire, a potential design flaw in evaluation strategy
09:11:35 pm JD_Dillon: A5) Alignment to the needs and wants of the participants, true of loyalty programs as well #lrnchat
09:11:56 pm chris_saeger: RT @JaneBozarth: Overall, are rewards for learning different than rewards for anything else? #lrnchat
09:11:58 pm lodtrain: RT @JD_Dillon: A5) Alignment to the needs and wants of the participants, true of loyalty programs as well #lrnchat
09:12:03 pm JaneBozarth: 5 One people didn’t pay to enter. #lrnchat
09:12:05 pm TheAirton: A5) 1. CONSISTENCY 2. TRANSPARENCY 3. CONSISTENCY #lrnchat
09:12:32 pm JaneBozarth: RT @TheAirton: A5) 1. CONSISTENCY 2. TRANSPARENCY 3. CONSISTENCY #lrnchat
09:12:46 pm JD_Dillon: A5) Transparency. #lrnchat
09:14:00 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat not giving the same reward on repeat! Let’s switch it up people🙂
09:14:03 pm OU812Jensen: #lrnchat A5) progression of certification in our org. The reward reflected in type or amount of work individual can engage in, some comp inc
09:14:06 pm JD_Dillon: A5) Integration – the rewards program should be part of the experience, not an extra/add on #lrnchat
09:14:07 pm lodtrain: Q5) Reward program credible if it is aligned to company goals, and perception of folks receiving is deserved #lrnchat
09:14:39 pm weisblatt: RT @JD_Dillon: A5) Integration – the rewards program should be part of the experience, not an extra/add on #Lrnchat
09:14:57 pm scartsos: RT @JD_Dillon: A5) Integration – the rewards program should be part of the experience, not an extra/add on #lrnchat
09:14:57 pm TheAirton: RT @lodtrain: Q5) Reward program credible if it is aligned to company goals, and perception of folks receiving is deserved #lrnchat
09:15:04 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q5: proper implementation, practice what you preach. You can’t be credible with a ‘do as I say not as I do’ attitude
09:15:06 pm TheAirton: RT @janebozarth: 5 One people didn’t pay to enter. #lrnchat
09:15:18 pm theASIDEblog: @TheAirton But if the reward is the goal, than the reason for achieving should be questioned. If it’s drive go for it. #lrnchat
09:15:21 pm JaneBozarth: Like Demofest RT @JD_Dillon: A5) Integration – the rewards program should be part of the experience, not an extra/add on #lrnchat
09:15:26 pm weisblatt: Q5) the program was challenging #Lrnchat
09:15:38 pm OU812Jensen: RT @weisblatt: Q5: Relevance! #Lrnchat
09:16:00 pm xpconcept: #lrnchat Q5) not confusing rewards with “good things you should be doing for people anyway” – withholding tools or encouragement is bad.
09:16:17 pm lodtrain: RT @xpconcept: #lrnchat Q5) not confusing rewards with “good things you should be doing for people anyway” – withholding tools or encouragement is bad.
09:16:23 pm JD_Dillon: A5) Personalized … the program should evolve with me as I progress, not remain static and repetitive #lrnchat
09:16:56 pm theASIDEblog: How about badges based on learning? #lrnchat #isedchat
09:17:01 pm TheAirton: @theasideblog true and once a reward program is started it will have an adverse affect once it is stopped. #lrnchat
09:17:15 pm weisblatt: q5) No rewards for passive involvement. #Lrnchat
09:17:41 pm TheAirton: A5) One I can Level-Up on #lrnchat
09:17:56 pm scartsos: A lot we can learn from special education here RT @JD_Dillon: A5) Personalized … the program should evolve with me #lrnchat
09:18:14 pm weisblatt: @theASIDEblog can someone explain why anyone would want badges. #Lrnchat
09:18:15 pm OU812Jensen: #lrnchat a5) Reward can be as simple as just being competent in the new goal or task, big production not needed know what Reward looks like
09:18:22 pm lrnchat: Q6) What are some red flags that would make you question the credibility of a rewards program? #lrnchat
09:18:46 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q6) What are some red flags that would make you question the credibility of a rewards program? #lrnchat
09:18:56 pm scartsos: Um, they’re pretty? RT @weisblatt: @theASIDEblog can someone explain why anyone would want badges. #lrnchat
09:19:05 pm JoshCav: RT @weisblatt: q5) No rewards for passive involvement. <— Darn. No rewards for lurking tonight on —> #lrnchat
09:19:16 pm TheAirton: RT @lrnchat: Q6) What are some red flags that would make you question the credibility of a rewards program? #lrnchat
09:19:18 pm JD_Dillon: A6) The word “certification” … red flag #lrnchat
09:19:18 pm weisblatt: In games you are rewarded with endorphins. Can we find a way to do that? #Lrnchat
09:19:52 pm JaneBozarth: Q6) What are some red flags that would make you question the credibility of a rewards program? #lrnchat
09:19:58 pm scartsos: @weisblatt Drugs? #lrnchat
09:20:13 pm TheAirton: A6) Eas of gaming the system #lrnchat
09:20:30 pm weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: Q6) What are some red flags that would make you question the credibility of a rewards program? #Lrnchat
09:20:31 pm theASIDEblog: @weisblatt Perhaps because it’s not a grade and you have to earn them on your own. #lrnchat
09:20:51 pm lodtrain: Q6) Would question the rewards program if rewards didn’t equate with results or perception was that ineffective trng program #lrnchat
09:20:51 pm weisblatt: Q6. Everyone gets one. #Lrnchat
09:20:55 pm JD_Dillon: A6) Requirement to participate, no choice … red flag #lrnchat
09:20:59 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q6: when the rewards are “expected” …. It makes them not rewards… It makes them expectations.
09:21:00 pm TheAirton: A6) Unclear rules and unknown decision makers #lrnchat
09:21:47 pm TheAirton: I love optionally mandatory RT @jd_dillon: A6) Requirement to participate, no choice … red flag #lrnchat
09:21:53 pm OU812Jensen: #lrnchat A6) lack of sustainability by previous participants, lack of relevance to org., lack of enthusiasm and support by key stakeholders
09:21:57 pm theASIDEblog: @exmathematician Ahh, playing the game of school. That’s not learning, it’s learning to get by on the least amount of work. #lrnchat
09:21:59 pm xpconcept: #lrnchat – What about making it OK (and modeling methods / choices) for folks to reward themselves? #lrnchat
09:22:02 pm NancySlawski: RT @weisblatt: In games you are rewarded with endorphins. Can we find a way to do that? #Lrnchat
09:22:12 pm lodtrain: RT @JD_Dillon: A6) Requirement to participate, no choice … red flag #lrnchat
09:22:14 pm scartsos: Q6 – Can’t opt out. #lrnchat
09:23:22 pm cammybean: Have we talked about the rewards that everyone gets just for showing up? Totally lame certificates that have no meaning? We did? #lrnchat
09:23:39 pm Edustrategies: A6: Question to group… would all voluntold training uninspire, or just things you aren’t interested in? #lrnchat
09:23:52 pm theASIDEblog: @bivey Fair enough, but it breaks the pattern. It’s still all a competition though. #lrnchat
09:23:54 pm TheAirton: A6) ease of earning and leveling up or no falling back #lrnchat
09:23:59 pm cammybean: q6) I question the credibility of a rewards program that you have to pay to enter… #lrnchat
09:23:59 pm weisblatt: “Here’s my Best Tryer Award. Tied with everyone else in my class. ” Doonesbury #Lrnchat
09:24:20 pm JaneBozarth: @cammybean we did. But it’s worth revisiting. #lrnchat
09:24:30 pm JaneBozarth: RT @cammybean: q6) I question the credibility of a rewards program that you have to pay to enter… #lrnchat
09:24:35 pm xpconcept: @cammybean – Thanks for showing up, Cammy! #heresyouraward #lrnchat #lrnchat
09:24:52 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat when the competition impedes the learning – all because the rewards are on the table.
09:25:09 pm JD_Dillon: A6) If I don’t get a frame with the certificate, it’s just not worth it.😉 #lrnchat
09:25:16 pm tomspiglanin: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @cammybean: q6) I question the credibility of a rewards program that you have to pay to enter… #lrnchat
09:25:24 pm theASIDEblog: @bivey @8rinaldi Feedback, feedback, feedback is the point. It’s not about the test and what they did wrong. #lrnchat #isedchat
09:26:05 pm JaneBozarth: RT @a_Tuffin: when the competition impedes the learning – all because the rewards are on the table. #lrnchat
09:26:08 pm weisblatt: RT @theASIDEblog: @bivey @8rinaldi Feedback, feedback, feedback is the point. Its not about the test and what they did wrong. #Lrnchat
09:26:20 pm lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:26:36 pm weisblatt: RT @xpconcept: #lrnchat – What about making it OK (and modeling methods / choices) for folks to reward themselves? #Lrnchat
09:26:44 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) Its that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #Lrnchat
09:27:04 pm TheAirton: @edustrategies I don’t deal with uninterested training, but completely disengage when voluntold #lrnchat
09:27:22 pm weisblatt: Qwrap) Adam Weisblatt. Learner. Thanks everyone for a great chat. #Lrnchat
09:27:23 pm lodtrain: Great #lrnchat thanks went by sooo fast tonite great topic and I feel rewarded🙂
09:27:50 pm chris_saeger: good night from the blue ridge where it has just stopped snowing. Its been a rewarding experience. #lrnchat
09:27:54 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat Autumn T. E.learning techie, video learning learner, telecom junkie, addicted to making my learners experience better.
09:27:56 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q6: any ethical or moral grey areas, when rewards become the only focus and an impression of the program being forced
09:27:57 pm OU812Jensen: #lrnchat a6) what if we shifted our mindset from Reward to Satisfied? How can we provide Satisfaction instead of Reward?
09:28:16 pm JD_Dillon: QWrap) Thanks, everyone! Fun topic tonight. JD from Orlando. Be sure to check out http://t.co/SpKyXQ6kTf. #lrnchat
09:28:34 pm JaneBozarth: @chris_saeger ha #lrnchat
09:28:36 pm a_Tuffin: @lrnchat #lrnchat thank you everyone who participated in #lrnchat … I always leave having new idea’s to tackle my role!
09:28:38 pm TheAirton: Q6) life has leader boards –> High School reunions — Did you level up? #lrnchat
09:28:45 pm weisblatt: RT @OU812Jensen: a6) what if we shifted our mindset from Reward to Satisfied? How can we provide Satisfaction instead of Reward? #Lrnchat
09:28:49 pm JaneBozarth: RT @OU812Jensen a6) what if we shifted our mindset from Reward to Satisfied? How can we provide Satisfaction instead of Reward? #lrnchat
09:28:52 pm mrfigurelli: Phenomenal #TED talk by @dlaufenberg How to learn? From mistakes http://t.co/J2iqX4blGm Love the message!! #njed #edchat #lrnchat
09:29:04 pm xpconcept: RT @OU812Jensen: #lrnchat a6) what if we shifted our mindset from Reward to Satisfied? How can we provide Satisfaction vs Reward? #lrnchat
09:29:33 pm Nitz_Noise: @lrnchat #lrnchat Ian M. Industrial engineer, brilliant by association.
09:29:41 pm JaneBozarth: Jane, Raleigh, heading Down Under tomorrow. 2nd ed of “Better than Bullet Points” now in page proof stage! Shipping mid-August. #lrnchat
09:29:41 pm TheAirton: QWrap) Airton from Orlando, good fun again. #lrnchat
09:29:45 pm OU812Jensen: #lrnchat Qwrap apologize for divided attention, was helping my college graphic designer daughter mount her project – Cindy from Canada out!
09:29:52 pm weisblatt: RT @TheAirton: Q6) life has leader boards –> High School reunions — Did you level up? #Lrnchat
09:30:01 pm cammybean: @xpconcept That was a very meaningful reward and I’m sure it will encourage me to show up again next time. #lrnchat
09:30:16 pm scartsos: Great topic – and good food for thought. Sam here in NYC. Learning and accessibility apps. Trying to get machines to learn too. #lrnchat
09:30:30 pm JoshCav: Josh Cavalier with Lodestone – Charlotte, NC. Hanging in the background. Great topic tonight. #lrnchat
09:30:42 pm lrnchat: Goodnight, and thanks for another great #lrnchat. See you next week at this same time.
09:30:51 pm theASIDEblog: When the reward is a grade, the learning and motivation becomes secondary. It should be the opposite. #isedchat #lrnchat
09:31:09 pm weisblatt: Lrnchat definitely gets my endorphins going. #Lrnchat
09:31:39 pm theASIDEblog: Parent pressure for grades should never be the driving force for learning. #lrnchat #isedchat
09:32:29 pm leahdesouza: @lrnchat Hi All – I’m a trilingual #Consultant in #Trinidad serving ppl & orgs worldwide to reach their goals thru T&D & Coaching. #lrnchat
09:33:05 pm TheAirton: @edustrategies agreed. As a homeschooling parent I want self drive but need that balanced with you will because. #lrnchat
09:33:10 pm willconstantine: RT @lrnchat: Goodnight, and thanks for another great #lrnchat. See you next week at this same time.
09:33:21 pm scartsos: @theASIDEblog Agreed – I’m intrigued lately by quests replacing grades. Keep trying til you get it and perfect it. #lrnchat
09:33:44 pm NNJASTD: RT @lrnchat: Goodnight, and thanks for another great #lrnchat. See you next week at this same time.
09:34:33 pm TheAirton: qWrap) The REd Sox began the season beating the Yankersmy fav reward #lrnchat

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