Transcript 16 August 2012 Learning Goals

08:30:47 pm lrnchat: Hello everyone and welcome to #lrnchat. How have you been?
08:31:23 pm JD_Dillon: It’s time for another magical #lrnchat …. YOLO!🙂
08:31:28 pm lrnchat: Please introduce yourself. Name, specialties, interests, etc.? #lrnchat
08:31:48 pm Quinnovator: time for the 90 min memestream extravaganza that is #lrnchat; duck or join in!
08:32:27 pm KathyKitch: Kathy in Iowa – we’re good-finally got some rain I’m a corporate trainer
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08:32:38 pm JD_Dillon: JD from Orlando, FL, focused on collaborative knowledge sharing and curation. #lrnchat
08:32:54 pm LearnKotch: Hey Helen you on #lrnchat ?@ActivateLearn
08:33:06 pm reubentozman: Hey Lrnchat..Reuben Tozman CLO edCetra in Toronto #Lrnchat
08:33:08 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design strategist, consultant/author/speaker, genial malcontent, Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
08:33:25 pm write2tg: Hopping on to a roller coaster ride called #lrnchat. Expect a stream of tweets! #lrnchat
08:33:36 pm lrnchat: Q0. We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:33:50 pm trainersleaders: Participating in live chat for next 90 minutes: Paul Signorelli, San Francisco-based writer-trainer-consultant; active in ASTD #lrnchat
08:33:58 pm trchandler: RT @Quinnovator: time for the 90 min memestream extravaganza that is #lrnchat; duck or join in! #lrnchat
08:34:05 pm write2tg: Taruna Goel, Program Manager, Vancouver BC #lrnchat
08:34:18 pm write2tg: RT @lrnchat: #lrnchat starts in one hour. Join us at 8:30PM EST. Tonights Topic: Learning Goals and Outcomes. See you there! #lrnchat
08:34:23 pm Quinnovator: learned this week that a good attitude pays off in times of stress #lrnchat #travelhiccups
08:34:23 pm write2tg: RT @lrnchat: Q0. We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:35:02 pm trchandler: Todd Chandler, organization man working to create a learning culture in KC MO #lrnchat
08:35:03 pm JD_Dillon: A0) Reminded this week that support organizations often forget to treat others like customers rather than competitors. #lrnchat
08:35:55 pm ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Rochester, NY. Time for another #lrnchat… hello everyone!
08:36:00 pm iHeartLiteracy: Margaret Vaughan, literacy coach/reading specialist in Missoula, MT #lrnchat
08:36:27 pm write2tg: Q0) This week I learned to make Vietnamese rice rolls and realized yet again that simple is better🙂 #lrnchat
08:36:37 pm trainersleaders: q0) This week’s learning moment: it’s easy to have a social media account hijacked; resistance was futile, recovery was quick #lrnchat
08:36:49 pm reubentozman: Lots of thought this week on book I finished reading called Prometheus Rising by Robert Anton Wilson #Lrnchat
08:37:11 pm trchandler: @trainersleaders yikes!
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08:37:41 pm trainersleaders: Hear hear: RT @Quinnovator: learned this week that a good attitude pays off in times of stress #lrnchat
08:37:53 pm KathyKitch: I’m learning how to do online demos/webinars. #lrnchat
08:38:09 pm iHeartLiteracy: A0) I was reminded that it is always important to ask questions to ensure you fully understand a given situation/problem #lrnchat
08:38:44 pm write2tg: @trainersleaders Ouch! That would leave anyone with a lifelong lesson. I am glad recovery was quick! #lrnchat
08:39:04 pm Quinnovator: learned that there’s something to be said for a week of downtime: hiking, reading, family #lrnchat #vacation
08:39:10 pm kathyswanson73: Kathy Swanson, 3rd gr teacher, MA. hi there! I learned how to use tweetchat #Lrnchat
08:39:28 pm KathyKitch: @iHeartLiteracy and we do have the right to question
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08:39:32 pm lrnchat: Q1) What are some different types of things you’d like to learn? #lrnchat
08:39:41 pm Quinnovator: RT @iHeartLiteracy: was reminded that is important to ask questions to ensure you fully understand a given situation/problem #lrnchat
08:39:47 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some different types of things you’d like to learn? #lrnchat
08:40:01 pm write2tg: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some different types of things youd like to learn? #lrnchat
08:40:03 pm trainersleaders: @trchandler Yes, the hacker plague du jour is “what are you doing in this viddeoo?”; do not check link even if you WERE in a video #lrnchat
08:40:12 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some different types of things youd like to learn? #lrnchat
08:40:41 pm KathyKitch: @kathyswanson73 I’m using tweetchat, too, but have been encouraged to go hootsuite; have you?
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08:40:42 pm trchandler: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some different types of things youd like to learn? #lrnchat
08:41:02 pm trchandler: @trainersleaders important safety tip. #lrnchat
08:41:12 pm iHeartLiteracy: @kathyswanson73 I was so happy when I found tweetchat! #lrnchat
08:41:23 pm JD_Dillon: A1) Gonna need more than 140 characters for that list … Let’s start with learning more about coding. #lrnchat
08:41:25 pm chris_saeger: Q0) I learned about http://t.co/sK9nYmDU a curation tool for twitter kinda like pintrist #lrnchat
08:41:29 pm trainersleaders: q1) Having been so effectively hijacked, I’d like to (re)-learn to balance caution and paranoia in use of social media #lrnchat
08:41:37 pm reubentozman: Q1) would love to learn how to relax when my body feels aggravated #Lrnchat
08:41:41 pm Quinnovator: q1) emotional things (staying calm), intellectual things (more about content models), pragmatic (‘sell’ better learning design) #lrnchat
08:41:59 pm trchandler: Q1) how to grill brisket to perfection #lrnchat
08:42:09 pm kathyswanson73: @KathyKitch Hoot suite? I am still learning and haven’t heard of it.
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08:42:38 pm trchandler: Q1) How can I answer other questions with a question? #lrnchat
08:42:38 pm KathyKitch: @chris_saeger Thanks for link on curation; I’ll check it out #lrnchat
08:43:01 pm write2tg: A1) I like to learn about…in 140 characters?!? In short, I’d like to be better at work and get most out of life! #lrnchat
08:43:20 pm Quinnovator: RT @write2tg: A1) I like to learn about…in 140 characters?!? In short, I’d like to be better at work and get most out of life! #lrnchat
08:43:33 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Sorry I am late – Blame Time Warner #lrnchat
08:43:34 pm trchandler: Q1) How to read others non-verbals better
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08:43:36 pm JD_Dillon: A1) How to let go … #lrnchat
08:43:37 pm chris_saeger: MT @Quinnovator:pragmatic (sell better learning design) This is the central challenge of my world #lrnchat
08:44:10 pm write2tg: A1) I also like to learn about new places to go to, books to read and my hobby (these days it is nail art.) #lrnchat
08:44:17 pm Quinnovator: q1) how to talk to my teen better! #lrnchat
08:44:19 pm Pball001: Just popping in – Q1) Learn how to grow my professional network. #lrnchat
08:44:22 pm iHeartLiteracy: A1) lots of things… new recipes, computer coding, biological psychology/neuroscience, the secret to life… #lrnchat
08:44:28 pm kathyswanson73: I’d like to learn how to better manage my time in all aspects of my life work, home, personal,etc. #Lrnchat
08:44:50 pm KathyKitch: @kathyswanson73 I’ve been learning a lot here; stick with us. I am former 5&6 teacher &now training adults; learning everyday #lrnchat
08:45:10 pm iHeartLiteracy: Agreed! RT @kathyswanson73: Id like to learn how to better manage my time in all aspects of my life work, home, personal,etc. #lrnchat
08:45:30 pm JD_Dillon: A1) Everything that will appear on the CPLP exam!🙂 #lrnchat
08:45:36 pm trainersleaders: @trchandler Yes, and 1 more great anti-hacking/hijacking resource: Matt Honan’s chilling Wired article http://t.co/YdvGqGmS #lrnchat
08:45:47 pm KathyKitch: @write2tg and learn how to squeeze it all into your life! there aren’t enuf hours anymore #lrnchat
08:45:49 pm Pball001: @kathyswanson73 Time management is about taking time for you! #lrnchat
08:46:04 pm ThomasStone: Sorry, stepped away for a moment to watch the video of David Pogue’s wedding proposal. Well done. #lrnchat https://t.co/hPgJQs0E
08:46:33 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Finding opportunities – to provide solutions.#lrnchat
08:46:53 pm ThomasStone: Good one RT @reubentozman: Q1) would love to learn how to relax when my body feels aggravated #Lrnchat
08:47:47 pm kathyswanson73: @iHeartLiteracy @Pball001 thanks. Time – I need to realize there will never be enough of it.🙂 #Lrnchat
08:49:11 pm trchandler: @kathyswanson73 OR there’s ALWAYS enough to do what’s important. #lrnchat
08:50:01 pm Pball001: @kathyswanson73 @iHeartLiteracy I remind myself each day that its my holiday on earth. I can choose . . . #lrnchat
08:50:08 pm Quinnovator: q1) how to *accelerate* in continual self-improvement #lrnchat
08:50:14 pm trchandler: @Pball001 glad to see you made it. And on your birthday. We should have brought a cake. #lrnchat
08:50:16 pm kathyswanson73: Yes! RT @trchandler: @kathyswanson73 OR theres ALWAYS enough to do whats important. #Lrnchat
08:50:27 pm write2tg: A1) I’d like to learn more about my learners’ motivation. How can I get 1 hour from their life to be spent on a training I designed #lrnchat
08:50:40 pm write2tg: Right! RT @trchandler: @kathyswanson73 OR theres ALWAYS enough to do whats important. #lrnchat
08:50:43 pm lrnchat: Q2) How do you decide when you want/need to learn something new? Is it a conscious moment? #lrnchat
08:50:59 pm Pball001: @trchandler Let’s just imagine a virtual cake, saves calories. #lrnchat
08:51:06 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you decide when you want/need to learn something new? Is it a conscious moment? #lrnchat
08:51:20 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you decide when you want/need to learn something new? Is it a conscious moment? #lrnchat
08:51:22 pm write2tg: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you decide when you want/need to learn something new? Is it a conscious moment? #lrnchat
08:51:26 pm kelly_smith01: RT @trchandler: @kathyswanson73 OR there’s ALWAYS enough to do what’s important. #lrnchat
08:52:00 pm trchandler: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you decide when you want/need to learn something new? Is it a conscious moment? #lrnchat
08:52:00 pm Quinnovator: q2) by definition, I reckon it is a conscious moment at the time of decision, but it may be ‘fermenting’ beforehand #lrnchat
08:52:13 pm kelly_smith01: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you decide when you want/need to learn something new? Is it a conscious moment? #lrnchat
08:52:19 pm write2tg: That’d be good to learn! RT @Quinnovator: q1) how to *accelerate* in continual self-improvement #lrnchat #lrnchat
08:52:33 pm JD_Dillon: A2) Failures often highlight the need to learn, prioritize new skills/knowledge required to become successful #lrnchat
08:52:35 pm Pball001: @lrnchat Q2) Not always! Its a niggling thought, or frustration. #lrnchat
08:52:40 pm trchandler: @Pball001 yum, I can virtually taste it now. With a big scoop of virtual ice cream. #lrnchat
08:52:57 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q2: often a perceived need (don’t know/can’t do X); less often, desire (want to know/do Y). #lrnchat
08:53:07 pm reubentozman: Q2) you started learning whatever it is you wanted to learn before you ever wanted to learn it. There is no hard start and stop #Lrnchat
08:53:24 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) I know I don’t wait for a reminder from the LMS. or an e-mail from boss. I just know. #lrnchat
08:53:50 pm JD_Dillon: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q2: often a perceived need (dont know/cant do X); less often, desire (want to know/do Y). #lrnchat
08:54:01 pm Pball001: @JD_Dillon Failure is such a defeating word. I like to find ways that simply don’t work. #lrnchat
08:54:07 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kelly_smith01 Mostly what *I* want from an LMS is its departure. #lrnchat
08:54:14 pm trainersleaders: Q2) Regarding when I decide I want/need to learn something new: for me, it’s moment of need combined with long-term needs/interests #lrnchat
08:54:29 pm write2tg: A2) Learning is a conscious moment but the need may be a matter of several streams of unconscious thoughts #lrnchat
08:54:44 pm trchandler: Q2) you can learn something when you didn’t intend to, but when you make a decision to learn, it’s conscious by nature #lrnchat
08:55:04 pm Quinnovator: q2) when I’m at an impasse and can identify the gap #lrnchat
08:55:18 pm trainersleaders: RT @JD_Dillon Failures often highlight the need to learn [and] prioritize new skills/knowledge required to become successful #lrnchat
08:55:19 pm write2tg: A2) When a challenge strikes, it is a need to learn. When I want to pursue something new, I want to learn. #lrnchat
08:55:54 pm trchandler: Q2) curiosity often drives a decision for me to want to learn #lrnchat
08:56:33 pm Dave_Ferguson: I think there’s often a redefinition (or several) of “what I want to learn” as you learn. Abler to discern wants/needs/goals. #lrnchat
08:56:36 pm JD_Dillon: A2) When I was younger, people told me what I should learn. Now, it’s up to me (with help from peers and mentors). #lrnchat
08:56:36 pm chris_saeger: Q2) I don’t usually want to “learn” something new. I do something, fail, and then find out i have to learn how. #lrnchat
08:56:39 pm reubentozman: @write2tg Learning is most definitely not a conscious moment. It ends with ‘ing’. The moment where you become conscious…. #Lrnchat
08:56:40 pm trainersleaders: RT @reubentozman You started learning whatever it is you wanted to learn before you ever wanted to learn it…no hard start & stop #lrnchat
08:56:54 pm write2tg: RT @trchandler: Q2) you can learn something when u didnt intend to, but when you make a decision to learn, its conscious by nature #lrnchat
08:57:12 pm Dave_Ferguson: …and perhaps abler to comprehend just how much effort might go into acquiring a complex set of skills.

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08:57:24 pm reubentozman: @write2tg of having learned, the learning has happened and is continuing to happen. #Lrnchat
08:57:45 pm JD_Dillon: A2) The need to learn is becoming an increasingly conscious decision as I outline my long-term career goals. #lrnchat
08:57:48 pm mizminh: Q2 Its a Yes!!! as you realise you’re hitting the lower slopes of the learning curve. If its a really good one you go ballistic.#lrnchat
08:57:54 pm kathyswanson73: The curiosity or interest is unconscious and ignites a need to continue to learn more. #Lrnchat
08:58:06 pm trchandler: @JD_Dillon I find I remember more of what I WANTED to learn versus what I SHOULD HAVE learned #lrnchat
08:58:43 pm trainersleaders: RT @write2tg Learning is a conscious moment but the need may be a matter of several streams of unconscious thoughts #lrnchat
08:59:15 pm trchandler: Q2) decisions to learn hardly seem like decisions to me. I don’t decide to turn on the lights. I just turn on the lights. #lrnchat
08:59:28 pm reubentozman: I find the mistake in designing for ‘learning’ is that we mistake the content for the process #Lrnchat
08:59:31 pm write2tg: @reubentozman learning is a series of events – sometimes you know it is happening and sometimes you only know after it happened #lrnchat
08:59:39 pm JD_Dillon: @trchandler I often find the same when I don’t keep myself open to feedback #lrnchat
08:59:44 pm Pball001: @trchandler @JD_Dillon agreed the key to learning new things is based on curiosity and desire. #lrnchat
08:59:46 pm LnDDave: Greetings #lrnchat. David Kelly from NY, checking in for a bit. How is everyone?
08:59:50 pm KathyKitch: Q2 I attempt a task & often discover I need some learning. Task covers a large range.
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09:00:16 pm trchandler: True. Great fuel for learning. RT @kathyswanson73: The curiosity or interest is unconscious and ignites a need… to learn more. #lrnchat
09:01:16 pm kathyswanson73: Thanks for the chat. I hope to come back. I need to put my daughter to bed. #Lrnchat
09:01:22 pm SeanPutman1: Hi all, joining bit late tonight. Sean Putman from Detroit. #Lrnchat
09:01:27 pm trchandler: @write2tg great callout. And you never know how much you can learn until you’ve learned it. #lrnchat
09:01:33 pm lrnchat: Q3) At what point does an idea to learn something move into a learning “goal”? Is there a line that gets crossed? #lrnchat
09:01:59 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) At what point does an idea to learn something move into a learning “goal”? Is there a line that gets crossed? #lrnchat
09:02:10 pm trchandler: @kathyswanson73 we’ll save your spot. #lrnchat
09:02:25 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q3) At what point does an idea to learn something move into a learning “goal”? Is there a line that gets crossed? #lrnchat
09:02:45 pm JD_Dillon: Q3) At what point does an idea to learn something move into a learning “goal”? Is there a line that gets crossed? #lrnchat
09:02:47 pm Pball001: @lrnchat Q3) Yes, you cross the line when you write it down. #lrnchat
09:02:59 pm reubentozman: @write2tg All u are ever conscious of is the content, not ‘learning’. What you make of content is partly out of u’r control #Lrnchat
09:03:07 pm Quinnovator: q3) reckon learning goals can be implicit, explicit, or even opportunistic #lrnchat
09:03:17 pm write2tg: RT @lrnchat Q3) At what point does an idea to learn something move into a learning “goal”? Is there a line that gets crossed? #lrnchat
09:03:18 pm trainersleaders: q3) The idea to learn something becomes a learning “goal” when I set a learning deadline for myself or sign up for a learning opp #lrnchat
09:03:28 pm trchandler: RT @lrnchat Q3) At what point does an idea to learn something move into a learning “goal”? Is there a line that gets crossed? #lrnchat
09:03:38 pm srLeoSalazar: RT @lrnchat: Q3) At what point does an idea to learn something move into a learning “goal”? Is there a line that gets crossed? #lrnchat
09:03:40 pm Pball001: @lrnchat Q3) Until you make it real its simply a dream. #lrnchat
09:03:44 pm ryantracey: Q3) I think the line is crossed when the outcome is time sensitive. #lrnchat
09:04:00 pm JD_Dillon: A3) Learning requires action, whether purposeful or accidental acquisition of new knowledge/skills take place. #lrnchat
09:04:03 pm AshLaurenPerez: hi everyone! #lrnchat
09:04:20 pm Quinnovator: @reubentozman does your definition of ‘content’ include proprioceptive feedback, emotional responses? #lrnchat
09:04:27 pm AshLaurenPerez: oh wow, when does this chat start? I thought it started at 9 est? #lrnchat
09:04:32 pm chris_saeger: Q3) It becomes a goal, when I know it will take some time to learn it. #lrnchat
09:04:32 pm Pball001: I’ve found a written goal becomes a dream with a time frame on it. #lrnchat
09:04:37 pm trchandler: Q3) I don’t know about learning goals. Goals have specific destinations. In learning, I rarely feel like I have arrived. #lrnchat
09:04:52 pm write2tg: A3) My learning goal is when it has specific outcomes and is within a timeline but more important it should solve my need! #lrnchat
09:05:10 pm LnDDave: Q3) I think it becomes a learning goal the moment there is conscious intent to learn. #lrnchat
09:05:19 pm ryantracey: MT @trainersleaders q3) The idea becomes a “goal” when I set a learning deadline for myself or sign up for a learning opp #lrnchat
09:05:30 pm write2tg: Lifelong learners we are! RT @trchandler: Q3)… Goals have specific destinations. In learning, I rarely feel like I have arrived. #lrnchat
09:05:41 pm JD_Dillon: A3) Desire to learn becomes a goal once it is aligned to a practical outcome. I want to learn X so that I can do Y. #lrnchat
09:05:48 pm trainersleaders: RT @trchandler I don’t know about learning goals. Goals have specific destinations. In learning, I rarely feel like I have arrived. #lrnchat
09:05:49 pm trchandler: @AshLaurenPerez 8:30. You only missed the first 30 minutes. We’re just getting warmed up. #lrnchat
09:05:55 pm SeanPutman1: A3)Goal feels like it has a defined end. I always feel like I can learn more on a subject #Lrnchat
09:06:14 pm Pball001: @trchandler Good point Todd, you never really arrive. You find ways to develop new techniques to learn. #lrnchat
09:06:17 pm Quinnovator: RT @SeanPutman1: A3)Goal feels like it has a defined end. I always feel like I can learn more on a subject #Lrnchat < good point
09:06:48 pm reubentozman: @Quinnovator yip. I think we can train ourselves to be more conscious of those things. Often though, those are mediating factors #Lrnchat
09:06:58 pm trainersleaders: RT @LnDDave I think it [an idea] becomes a learning goal the moment there is conscious intent to learn. #lrnchat
09:07:14 pm LnDDave: RT @JD_Dillon: A3) Desire to learn becomes a goal once it is aligned to a practical outcome. I want to learn X so that I can do Y. #lrnchat
09:07:19 pm ryantracey: @trchandler I agree, though sometimes there is a specific destination – I need to be able to do *this*. #lrnchat
09:07:38 pm KathyKitch: @Quinnovator It’s horizontal enrichment or a vine that keeps reaching #lrnchat
09:07:45 pm write2tg: RT @JD_Dillon: A3) Desire to learn becomes a goal once it is aligned to a practical outcome. I want to learn X so that I can do Y. #lrnchat
09:07:52 pm Pball001: @SeanPutman1 “I always feel like I can learn more on a subject,” can you clarify? #lrnchat
09:08:11 pm AshLaurenPerez: @trchandler fantastic. I’ll change that on my schedule. Thanks! #lrnchat
09:08:49 pm AshLaurenPerez: A3. I think about what I want, research it a bit, and then make a realistic plan of action and deadline. #lrnchat
09:09:04 pm Quinnovator: q3) interesting discussion: yes you can have concrete goals, but there are always more levels #lrnchat
09:09:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: There have been subjects about which I learned I did not want to learn any more, except better avoidance. #lrnchat
09:09:22 pm trchandler: Taking off to set some learning goals. Learn on! #lrnchat
09:09:26 pm Quinnovator: q3) tho’ law of diminishing returns: is the time/effort investment worth incremental improvement? #lrnchat
09:09:44 pm ryantracey: +1 RT @Quinnovator: q3) interesting discussion: yes you can have concrete goals, but there are always more levels #lrnchat
09:09:57 pm Quinnovator: RT @Dave_Ferguson: There have been subjects about which I learned I did not want to learn any more, except better avoidance. #lrnchat
09:10:09 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator A concrete goal, however, is not always a realistic one.
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09:10:23 pm trchandler: “Learning often spawns the desire for additional learning.” ~ @JaneBozarth #lrnchat http://t.co/Gdt5IU5t
09:10:24 pm lrnchat: Q4) What are the critical components of a learning goal or development path’? #lrnchat
09:10:32 pm SeanPutman1: @Pball001 Sure, even if I can complete a task from learning I still feel like there is more knowledge to gain by continued learning #Lrnchat
09:10:44 pm AshLaurenPerez: Hit your goals but don’t stop there. Always have new goals and continue to evolve. #lrnchat
09:10:47 pm write2tg: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What are the critical components of a learning goal or development path? #lrnchat
09:10:55 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What are the critical components of a learning goal or development path? #lrnchat
09:11:04 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What are the critical components of a learning goal or development path’? #lrnchat
09:11:06 pm Pball001: @KathyKitch “It’s horizontal enrichment” I like to think one ttys to experience new learning in the 4th dimension – space time. #lrnchat
09:11:25 pm SeanPutman1: @Pball001 ex, I have been working on cars for 20 + years. There is always more to learn #Lrnchat
09:11:33 pm AshLaurenPerez: A4. Being realistic about your goals and timelines so you don’t get frustrated that you’re not getting the results fast enough. #lrnchat
09:11:40 pm mizminh: Learning goals:-highly structured skill, broad conceptual process, complex & multifaceted eg new language…? Immediate longterm? #lrnchat
09:11:49 pm JD_Dillon: A4) Learning goals must be aligned to practical application and measurable outcomes. #lrnchat
09:12:08 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What are the critical components of a learning goal or development path? #Lrnchat
09:12:18 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson SMART goal includes A: attainable😉 #lrnchat
09:12:47 pm Pball001: @SeanPutman1 Absolutely I’ve been teaching people about diamonds for over 25 years – there’s always new developments. #lrnchat
09:12:49 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q4: For me, any learning journey needs to have rest stops at which I can pause & enjoy my genuine progress. #lrnchat
09:12:55 pm Quinnovator: q4) SMART goals not a bad framework: Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant, Timely #lrnchat
09:13:04 pm trainersleaders: q4) Critical components of a learning goal or development path: achievable, supportable & sustainable, compelling, & useful #lrnchat
09:13:18 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What are the critical components of a learning goal or development path’? #lrnchat
09:13:44 pm SeanPutman1: RT @Quinnovator: q3) interesting discussion: yes you can have concrete goals, but there are always more levels >> I like this #Lrnchat
09:13:46 pm Pball001: @Quinnovator Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant, Timely. Its all right here! #lrnchat
09:14:12 pm trainersleaders: RT @JD_Dillon Learning goals must be aligned to practical application and measurable outcomes. #lrnchat
09:14:18 pm theASIDEblog: What about adjusting goals? Sometimes the process steers in a different direction. #lrnchat
09:14:19 pm SeanPutman1: RT @Quinnovator: q4) SMART goals not a bad framework: Specific, Measurable, Attainable, Relevant, Timely #Lrnchat
09:14:28 pm JD_Dillon: A4) Development paths should stress opportunities to share new knowledge. #lrnchat
09:14:34 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q4 example of long-range goal: get a job using a new language. “Rest stop” example: real conversation w/ native speaker. #lrnchat
09:14:52 pm trainersleaders: RT @Dave_Ferguson For me, any learning journey needs to have rest stops at which I can pause & enjoy my genuine progress. #lrnchat
09:14:55 pm write2tg: A4) All the adjectives but also one’s commitment to the goal and someone else being aware of it too – your boss, a mentor, a peer #lrnchat
09:15:01 pm Pball001: @Pball001 Success goal people find a river of interest. #lrnchat
09:15:09 pm Quinnovator: q4) developmental path criteria: motivated, appropriate spacing, sufficient practice, model-guided, sufficiently cross-context #lrnchat
09:15:11 pm aaronesilvers: Q4) Bourbon #lrnchat
09:15:18 pm reubentozman: I’m not sure personal learning goals need to be measurable or specific…lots of stuff I’ve explored without those in mind #Lrnchat
09:15:42 pm theASIDEblog: Don’t like the term “measurable;” it reminds us of “testing.” Experiential learning and process are more important. #lrnchat
09:15:48 pm Quinnovator: @reubentozman ah, but when did you decide to stop? you made some decision to pursue, and then not more. Why? #Lrnchat
09:15:49 pm write2tg: A4) Sometimes others can fuel us to achieve the goals we set out for ourselves only if they know. Find your motivator! #lrnchat
09:15:54 pm ryantracey: Q4) We use SMART in our org. It really does prompt people to make their learning goals smarter :0) #lrnchat
09:16:57 pm ryantracey: @reubentozman I agree, but some people find the structure helpful. #lrnchat
09:16:58 pm reubentozman: @Quinnovator Not sure conscious decisions were made…something else piqued interest and moved on. #Lrnchat
09:17:16 pm write2tg: A4) Development path has to be personal, aligned to goals and reviewed frequently in an organized manner #lrnchat
09:17:16 pm Quinnovator: @theASIDEblog but how do you check how you’re doing? need feedback to change direction #lrnchat
09:17:19 pm trainersleaders: RT @write2tg Sometimes others can fuel us to achieve the goals we set out for ourselves only if they know. Find your motivator! #lrnchat
09:17:36 pm mizminh: @Dave_Ferguson Plateauing? #lrnchat
09:17:41 pm theASIDEblog: Motivating students as learners who love what they are doing should yield outcomes that go above expectations. #lrnchat
09:18:13 pm JD_Dillon: A4) Development plans shouldn’t be an extra administrative task, should support and further existing interests and needs. #lrnchat
09:18:55 pm Dave_Ferguson: @mizminh Maybe more like a stairway landing than a plateau. (I’m thinking esp of complex skills requiring lots of time) #lrnchat
09:18:58 pm reubentozman: I’m gonna say within an org, all goals need to be performance centric and have SMART attributes associated #Lrnchat
09:19:03 pm write2tg: A4) A critical component of any learning path is feedback. Frequent review & feedback can let us know if we are on the right track #lrnchat
09:19:15 pm aaronesilvers: Q4) when I finally set a goal for myself to
learn something, am I not really training myself on how to do it? #lrnchat
09:19:19 pm Pball001: Thank you all need to bow out for tonight. Excellent topic! #lrnchat
09:19:37 pm AshLaurenPerez: I like having my goals and plans written out in a place where I can constantly see them. It helps me visualize things better. #lrnchat
09:19:42 pm write2tg: A4) Development path is not a ‘template’ you can use for all employees in a particular role. It is personal and takes time to make #lrnchat
09:19:44 pm theASIDEblog: @Quinnovator There R ways of checking on learning, engagement & motivation. It should be visible from the get go. It’s not a grade. #lrnchat
09:19:46 pm SeanPutman1: RT @aaronesilvers: Q4) when I finally set a goal for myself tolearn something, am I not really training myself on how to do it? #Lrnchat
09:20:19 pm Dave_Ferguson: @aaronesilvers Not necess just w/ the setting of a goal. “Train how to do it” implies supporting set of skills… #lrnchat
09:20:29 pm Quinnovator: @theASIDEblog formative or summative, there’re criteria; agreed: doesn’t have to be a ‘grade’ #lrnchat
09:20:47 pm write2tg: A4) I don’t always write my goals but always visualize the final outcome once I have achieved my goal. Always helps! #lrnchat
09:21:26 pm lrnchat: Q5) How do different types of learning require different types of development paths? #lrnchat
09:21:27 pm Dave_Ferguson: @aaronesilvers E.g.: goal, learn to play bagpipes. Still gotta figure out how to learn (live teacher? online? DVD?) & skill up. #lrnchat
09:21:32 pm Quinnovator: and sometimes, I’m exploring, not sure what my end criteria is, except perhaps diagram that explains it to myself #lrnchat
09:21:34 pm aaronesilvers: @Dave_Ferguson I’m with you. Twitter doesn’t give me the luxury I being longwinded😉 #lrnchat
09:21:38 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do different types of learning require different types of development paths? #lrnchat
09:22:01 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do different types of learning require different types of development paths? #lrnchat
09:22:08 pm theASIDEblog: While we realize the mandatory requirements of assessment, at some point we have to not be afraid to fail for the sake of the kids. #lrnchat
09:22:20 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do different types of learning require different types of development paths? #Lrnchat
09:22:34 pm Quinnovator: q5) for one, attitude change requires recognizing what one’s attitude *is*😉 #lrnchat
09:22:46 pm aaronesilvers: @Dave_Ferguson the “skill up” though. Once I understand metacognitively what the steps are, isn’t it training? #lrnchat
09:23:01 pm write2tg: Sorry got to leave a bit early today but thanks everyone for the enriching chat yet again. #lrnchat
09:23:11 pm trainersleaders: RT @write2tg Critical component of any learning path is feedback. Frequent review & feedback let us know we are on the right track #lrnchat
09:23:13 pm NMHS_Principal: RT @willrich45: Just Posted: The Learners We Need http://t.co/xAt9JHUY #edchat #edreform #lrnchat #moocmooc
09:23:29 pm reubentozman: Bowing out folks. See youze at #devlearn #Lrnchat
09:23:40 pm theASIDEblog: Too often kids go through a process with little time for questioning or feedback. We need to allow more time for them to set goals. #lrnchat
09:23:48 pm Quinnovator: q5) certainly, level of proficiency desired, frequency of application etc, will determine appropriate practice required #lrnchat
09:23:50 pm JD_Dillon: A5) Depending on desired outcome, some paths are more formalized than others. #lrnchat
09:24:04 pm AshLaurenPerez: A5. It depends on what you’re attempting to learn, what effort you need to put in, how long it takes to learn, what tools, etc #lrnchat
09:24:41 pm Quinnovator: q5) attitude change, motor skills, problem-solving skill development can all require different types of paths and support #lrnchat
09:24:47 pm Dave_Ferguson: @aaronesilvers I don’t see “knowing the steps” as training. Maybe as consulting.😉
#lrnchat
09:24:55 pm RealSchool1: RT @willrich45: Just Posted: The Learners We Need http://t.co/60W98cK3 #edchat #edreform #lrnchat #moocmooc
09:24:59 pm SeanPutman1: Q5) learning time, attitude, desired outcome #Lrnchat
09:25:07 pm theASIDEblog: @Quinnovator We are still to focused on measurable and outcome. It’s about creating not finishing. #lrnchat
09:25:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: @aaronesilvers I see “trying to apply the steps and seeing how I do” as one form of training. #lrnchat
09:25:38 pm aaronesilvers: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @aaronesilvers I see “trying to apply the steps and seeing how I do” as one form of training. #lrnchat
09:25:53 pm Quinnovator: q5) reckon the space of transfer: near/far, level of ambiguity in answer can influence how it’s addressed, too #lrnchat
09:26:51 pm Dave_Ferguson: I think I’ll save time and just RT most of what @quinnovator is saying. #lrnchat
09:28:24 pm trainersleaders: Ditto, upon realizing I’m stumped by question: RT @Dave_Ferguson Think I’ll save time & just RT most of what @quinnovator is saying #lrnchat
09:28:53 pm Dave_Ferguson: There’s a degree to which stress contributes to learning. @aaronsilvers mentioned people who are under the gun… #lrnchat
09:29:28 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson @trainersleaders hate that I sound so deterministic, as I’m usually the voice of the ‘experience’! #lrnchat
09:29:32 pm Dave_Ferguson: …a kind of OTJ “learning situation” that many people face but doesn’t always fit the idealized instr design world. #lrnchat
09:30:07 pm theASIDEblog: @Quinnovator The school system is accustomed to pushing “quantity over quality and product over process. What about learning? #lrnchat
09:30:19 pm Quinnovator: wondering about the role of self- vs other- motivation in successful learning across types of learning goals #lrnchat
09:30:26 pm CareerFolks: RT @willrich45: Just Posted: The Learners We Need http://t.co/xAt9JHUY #edchat #edreform #lrnchat #moocmooc
09:30:52 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Goals without experience: road trip at 17. Experience w/o goals: 65 but never took road trip. #lrnchat
09:31:19 pm trainersleaders: Very thoughtful piece & great resource on learning via @willrich45: “The Learners We Need” http://t.co/ATOdbjMf #astd #nmchz #lrnchat
09:31:30 pm SeanPutman1: @Dave_Ferguson seems to be most of what find, need it now while OTJ. No time for “formal” learning #Lrnchat
09:31:52 pm Quinnovator: @theASIDEblog school system <> learning (sadly) #lrnchat
09:32:07 pm theASIDEblog: If we could engage in more #PBL and #DesignThinking in learning, we would not have to “measure” anything. #lrnchat
09:32:31 pm lrnchat: Q6) How is a learning goal different when someone “tells” you that you need to learn something new? #lrnchat
09:32:36 pm trainersleaders: Why we retweet him: RT @Quinnovator Hate that I sound so deterministic, as I’m usually the voice of the ‘experience’! #lrnchat
09:32:40 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q6) How is a learning goal different when someone “tells” you that you need to learn something new? #lrnchat
09:33:40 pm SeanPutman1: Q6) If you are told, attitude will have a large affect on what you learn #Lrnchat
09:33:45 pm Quinnovator: q6) learning comes from inside; someone can’t ‘tell’ you you need to learn something, they can only inspire you #lrnchat
09:34:11 pm AshLaurenPerez: A6. I think having a passion to learn or self-motivation to learn makes a huge difference compared to being forced to learn #lrnchat
09:34:27 pm SeanPutman1: RT @Quinnovator: q6) learning comes from inside; someone cant tell you you need to learn something, they can only inspire you #Lrnchat
09:34:29 pm theASIDEblog: Learning is about insight, vision and guts. If kids knew contributed to a goal & were supported at the possibility of failure, wow! #lrnchat
09:34:37 pm AshLaurenPerez: A6. I retain more when I teach myself than I did when I was required to sit in class for college. #lrnchat
09:34:51 pm Quinnovator: q6) if you’re not motivated, you may as well be coated in teflon, nothing will stick #lrnchat (back to the ‘experience’ me😉
09:34:57 pm Dave_Ferguson: I have to say that I don’t ever want to work for an organization that doesn’t measure anything. I live close to Congress as it is.
#lrnchat
09:36:25 pm trainersleaders: Q6) Learning goals are different when someone tells you that you need to learn something new because it’s forced, not inner-driven #lrnchat
09:36:29 pm Dave_Ferguson: @SeanPutman1 When my GE component dumped mainframe stuff for PCs, we’d have told you to learn PC. Or, you could leave. #lrnchat
09:36:29 pm theASIDEblog: @Quinnovator Brilliant! This is why kids check out at 35% in the USA. They are not inspired to learn; they have to pass tests. #lrnchat
09:36:36 pm Quinnovator: @theASIDEblog I’m with you, but: doesn’t knowing point of failure mean having *some* evaluation?😉 #lrnchat
09:37:08 pm SeanPutman1: Q6) no matter how interesting a topic, if not motivated, learners will rarely learn a subject #Lrnchat
09:37:25 pm Quinnovator: @theASIDEblog in *total* agreement re: kids checking out, and worthlessness of existing tests #lrnchat
09:38:16 pm JD_Dillon: A6) Buy-in. Motivation to learn is stronger when you identify the need on your own and tie it to your desired outcomes. #lrnchat
09:38:18 pm trainersleaders: @Quinnovator clearly on a roll: “Learning comes from inside; someone can’t ‘tell’ you…to learn something…can only inspire you” #lrnchat
09:38:24 pm Quinnovator: RT @Dave_Ferguson: don’t ever want to work for organization that doesn’t measure anything. live close to Congress as it is #lrnchat < LOL
09:38:34 pm AshLaurenPerez: I think finding a way to engage people to learn rather than making it a requirement is important. #lrnchat
09:38:35 pm MJK60631: RT @lrnchat: Q6) How is a learning goal different when someone “tells” you that you need to learn something new? #lrnchat
09:38:46 pm SeanPutman1: @Dave_Ferguson Most people would probably learn enough to get by while finding something new🙂 #Lrnchat
09:39:15 pm Quinnovator: hence my book on ‘engaging learning’😉 #lrnchat
09:39:53 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q6: if someone assigns you a learning goal, your first decision is whether you’re going to accept it. #lrnchat
09:40:02 pm theASIDEblog: Learning is about insight, vision and guts. If kids contributed to goals & were supported if ideas failed, that’s learning. #lrnchat
09:40:15 pm LoriSoifer: RT @willrich45: Just Posted: The Learners We Need http://t.co/xAt9JHUY #edchat #edreform #lrnchat #moocmooc
09:40:30 pm Quinnovator: think I’m going to just have to RT what @Dave_Ferguson says! #lrnchat
09:40:50 pm AshLaurenPerez: I often wonder how much further college kids would go if they chose WHAT they wanted to learn rather than the req. gen ed classes #lrnchat
09:40:59 pm SeanPutman1: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q6: if someone assigns you a learning goal, your first decision is whether youre going to accept it. #Lrnchat
09:41:12 pm trainersleaders: RT @Dave_Ferguson If someone assigns you a learning goal, your first decision is whether you’re going to accept it. #lrnchat
09:41:13 pm JD_Dillon: A6) Some people just don’t like being told what to do, even if it will clearly benefit them. #lrnchat
09:41:35 pm ktvee: that saying “u can lead a horse to water, but can’t make him drink” applies to learning, u can support their journey, cant force it #lrnchat
09:42:04 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JD_Dillon “You can always tell a Harvard man, but you can’t tell him much.” #lrnchat
09:42:21 pm jreulbach: @ktvee I can teach you, but I can’t understand it for you. #lrnchat
09:42:22 pm theASIDEblog: Doing learning, tinkering, grappling and most of all FAILING develops motivation to try again. It’s not a measurable assessment. #lrnchat
09:42:45 pm Quinnovator: q6) sometimes facilitating learning is selling, whether yourself or others: “this is important to YOU”! #lrnchat
09:42:47 pm JD_Dillon: A6) Required learning activities make completion the goal, not improved performance. #lrnchat
09:43:06 pm trainersleaders: Example of turnabout as fair play: RT @Quinnovator: think I’m going to just have to RT what @Dave_Ferguson says! #lrnchat
09:43:21 pm SeanPutman1: RT @JD_Dillon: A6) Required learning activities make completion the goal, not improved performance. #Lrnchat
09:43:31 pm AshLaurenPerez: @JD_Dillon guilty sometimes. I’m stubbornly independent. #lrnchat
09:43:33 pm lrnchat: Q7) How do you incorporate informal learning into something formal like a learning goal or development path? #lrnchat
09:43:49 pm Quinnovator: @theASIDEblog reckon sometimes failure can be off-putting, and need to address anxiety as well as motivation #lrnchat
09:43:49 pm JoelleYalin: RT @Quinnovator: q6) learning comes from inside; someone can’t ‘tell’ you you need to learn something, they can only inspire you #lrnchat
09:43:53 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q7) How do you incorporate informal learning into something formal like a learning goal or development path? #lrnchat
09:44:07 pm Sprinkler: The struggle between those who know how ppl learn and those who decide that 8 hrs in class is the way. #lrnchat
09:44:10 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: Q7) How do you incorporate informal learning into something formal like a learning goal or development path? #Lrnchat
09:44:37 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q7) How do you incorporate informal learning into something formal like a learning goal or development path? #lrnchat
09:44:42 pm Dave_Ferguson: If you know someone with depression, you’re not such an ardent fan of the word “failure,” despite its learning-space chic. #lrnchat
09:44:58 pm trainersleaders: New idea for #lrnchat: We all contribute for the first 10 minutes, then spend the remaining 80 minutes retweeting…or not… #lrnchat
09:45:09 pm Quinnovator: q7) supporting serendipity, social interaction in learning is big opportunity for some unexpected rewards #lrnchat
09:45:15 pm AshLaurenPerez: A7. Document metrics and scalable results. Prove that informal learning can be transferred into formal goals #lrnchat
09:45:23 pm JD_Dillon: A7) Provide expectations for performance, opportunities for continued learning and knowledge sharing, and get out of the way. #lrnchat
09:46:11 pm SeanPutman1: Q7) job aids, social learning, feedback to point additional learning #Lrnchat
09:46:25 pm MJK60631: Q6) Honestly, if I agreed, no one would be more enthusiastic. If I disagreed, I might check the box to appease. #lrnchat
09:46:45 pm theASIDEblog: @Quinnovator What if we just kept working with kids to revisit ideas? We are still to focused on outcome. It stymies kids. #lrnchat
09:46:56 pm MJK60631: RT @lrnchat: Q7) How do you incorporate informal learning into something formal like a learning goal or development path? #lrnchat
09:47:34 pm Quinnovator: @theASIDEblog what about shifting outcomes to problem-solving, skills, not rote knowledge? #lrnchat
09:47:58 pm Quinnovator: RT @SeanPutman1: Q7) job aids, social learning, feedback to point additional learning #Lrnchat
09:49:00 pm theASIDEblog: @Quinnovator Failure is the key to success. We learn from mistakes. Unfortunately legislators don’t get it. #lrnchat
09:49:08 pm trainersleaders: q7) Incorporate informal learning into something formal by reminding ourselves that learning never stops; life=learning #lrnchat
09:49:24 pm SeanPutman1: RT @Quinnovator:what about shifting outcomes to problem-solving, skills, not rote knowledge?>>I think would be a big benefit #Lrnchat
09:49:57 pm Quinnovator: q7) appropriate ambiguity in practice spec leads to interesting discussions #lrnchat
09:50:15 pm SeanPutman1: Q7)provide suggestions for outside learning such as books, blogs, etc #Lrnchat
09:50:54 pm Quinnovator: q7) ‘flip’ the learning situation: have learners decide syllabus, activities, outcomes (as you do on your own) #lrnchat
09:51:27 pm theASIDEblog: @Quinnovator We keep thinking kids will have to attend schools to learn. NOT! #PunkLearning, #DIY are here now. #lrnchat #BYOD
09:52:31 pm SeanPutman1: RT @Quinnovator: q7) flip the learning situation: have learners decide syllabus, activities, outcomes (as you do on your own) #Lrnchat
09:52:44 pm MJK60631: Q7) As a learner, I need lots of data for context – that includes informal learning to add depth & breadth to formal learning. #lrnchat
09:53:16 pm kkruse: Dunno the Q but this is a fab A! MT @Quinnovator Q7) ‘flip’ the learning situation: learners decide syllabus, activities, outcomes #lrnchat
09:53:36 pm AshLaurenPerez: Hopping out. Good chat. Feel free to connect. Have a great night! #lrnchat
09:54:12 pm pgow: RT @willrich45: Just Posted: The Learners We Need http://t.co/xAt9JHUY #edchat #edreform #lrnchat #moocmooc
09:54:33 pm lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:55:08 pm Quinnovator: once again another great #lrnchat, thanks to new and returning participants
09:55:13 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) Its that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #Lrnchat
09:56:00 pm SeanPutman1: Sean from outside Detroit, great chat thanks everyone! #Lrnchat
09:56:06 pm JD_Dillon: QWrap) JD from Orlando, I’ll plug new episodes of Breaking Bad on Sunday nights @ 10pm! Thanks for another great #lrnchat
09:56:19 pm theASIDEblog: Thanks for a great chat tonight. We appreciate the give and take. #lrnchat
09:56:31 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design advocate, consultant/speaker/author, self-learning narrator #lrnchat
09:56:32 pm iLearnAtWork: RT @quinnovator: q6) if you’re not motivated, you may as well be coated in teflon, nothing will stick #lrnchat (back to the ‘experience’…
09:57:27 pm JaneBozarth: Sorry to miss #lrnchat but here’s something: resources from my “Upskilling: 21st Century Trainer” session= http://t.co/c6mrAF1l
09:58:04 pm kkruse: RT @JaneBozarth: Sorry to miss #lrnchat but here’s something: resources from my “Upskilling: 21st Century Trainer” session= http://t.co/c6mrAF1l
09:58:17 pm trainersleaders: #lrnchat wrap: Paul Signorelli, San Francisco-based writer-trainer-consultant, blogging at http://t.co/8IuT9MZz #lrnchat
09:59:09 pm JaneBozarth: MT @jsuzcampos Absolutely #obsessed with this account of self-directed, social, informal #learning http://t.co/BSP8dD59 #lrnchat
10:01:25 pm lrnchat: Goodnight everyone. See you next week, August 16th, 8:30pm EST / 5:30pm PST. #lrnchat

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