Transcript 12 April 2012

08:30:03 pm lrnchat: Hello everyone and welcome to #lrnchat. How’ve you been?
08:31:13 pm Keener1111: Well, thanks for asking🙂
#lrnchat
08:32:02 pm lrnchat: Q0. What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:32:09 pm Keener1111: @lrnchat How are you tonight? #lrnchat
08:33:16 pm busynessgirl: Wow – I don’t think I’ve seen #lrnchat or #mathchat go by “live” for quite a while. Just not compatible times this year.
08:33:27 pm Keener1111: Q0) I learned working on a PC after getting used to a mac is very, very painful… #lrnchat
08:34:10 pm Quinnovator: time for the 90 mins of fast and fun memestream that is #lrnchat. Duck or join! Welcome to new and returning participants.
08:34:20 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q0. What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:35:04 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design strategist, author/speaker/consultant, genial malcontent, Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
08:35:13 pm HollyJustice1: Hi everyone, I’m doing #lrnchat now. Please excuse all the tweets.
08:35:15 pm JD_Dillon: Q0) JD from Orlando … Less learned, more reminded people need motivation and WIIFMs before theyll volunteer to work. #lrnchat
08:35:33 pm JD_Dillon: RT @Quinnovator: time for the 90 mins of fast and fun memestream that is #lrnchat. Duck or join! Welcome to new and returning participants.
08:36:31 pm Quinnovator: and don’t forget the Official #lrnchat Drinking Game™ http://t.co/VeuihVpN (drinks at the ready!)
08:36:53 pm reubentozman: Reuben Tozman CLO edCetra Training…feeling feisty #Lrnchat
08:37:25 pm LnDDave: Hi all. David Kelly from NYC but playing along tonight from Philly. #lrnchat
08:37:33 pm Keener1111: .@Quinnovator Does coffee count? It’s one of those nights #lrnchat
08:37:36 pm HollyJustice1: Q0) Hello! Holly Justice Portland, OR. Learned from two wonderful mentors this week about taking risks in the search for work. #lrnchat
08:38:02 pm lrnchat: Q1. Remember when you learned to ride a bike? What was that like? #lrnchat
08:38:15 pm reubentozman: @LnDDave How was the trip? #Lrnchat
08:38:25 pm aplusdrb: Q0. I have learned even in a bad economy, there are still people who value quality over price …refreshing #lrnchat
08:38:30 pm JD_Dillon: @LnDDave are the #Flyers fans still dancing in the streets after last night’s OT win? #lrnchat
08:38:42 pm sjunkins: Hello #lrnchat Greetings from South Carolina!
08:38:45 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Remember when you learned to ride a bike? What was that like? #lrnchat
08:38:46 pm stipton: Shannon from Chicago currently sleepless in UK – director of L&D #lrnchat
08:38:59 pm aplusdrb: Q0. I also learned that I am going to have to save a lot more money if I want to purchase a home to rent!!!🙂 #lrnchat
08:39:15 pm stipton: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Remember when you learned to ride a bike? What was that like? #lrnchat
08:39:23 pm JD_Dillon: Q1) Have to admit it, I’ve never ridden a bike. I’ll replace “bike” with “roller skate.” #lrnchat
08:39:31 pm ThomasStone: What is tonight’s #lrnchat topic? I’ve not seen any mention of it from the official @lrnchat account.
08:39:39 pm Quinnovator: q1) fear & anxiety, supported practice, and that moment of suddenly ‘getting it’ #Lrnchat
08:39:47 pm Quinnovator: @Keener1111 you have my sympathies! #lrnchat
08:40:20 pm reubentozman: Q1) better question for me is can anyone remember what they couldn’t get about riding a bike? That’s the nature of memory #Lrnchat
08:40:23 pm Quinnovator: @ThomasStone kinda about ‘natural learning’ , I reckon #lrnchat
08:40:35 pm JD_Dillon: Q1) Exciting. Scary. Collaborative. Repetitive. Trusting. #lrnchat
08:40:36 pm Keener1111: .@JD_Dillon It’s never too late to learn! #lrnchat
08:40:44 pm kasey428: Q0. Learned there are days we all have to do grunt work and smile about. Today was one of those days. Kay Wood, DC metro #lrnchat
08:40:53 pm Quinnovator: RT @JD_Dillon: Q1) Exciting. Scary. Collaborative. Repetitive. Trusting. #lrnchat
08:40:54 pm stipton: Q1) Scary and exhilarating at the same time. Sense of flying through time #lrnchat
08:41:24 pm busynessgirl: Great TEDx talk on how learning to skateboard can save education http://t.co/xGPKy1Zi #lrnchat (like riding a bike)
08:41:26 pm Quinnovator: RT @stipton: Q1) Scary and exhilarating at the same time. Sense of flying through time #lrnchat
08:41:39 pm sjunkins: Learning is one of the most powerful things a student can do with their mind. #lrnchat
08:41:40 pm JD_Dillon: Q1) You have to fail over and over again to get it right, continue to practice to improve. #lrnchat
08:42:10 pm Quinnovator: RT @sjunkins: Learning is one of the most powerful things a student can do with their mind. #lrnchat < er, anyone!
08:42:19 pm Keener1111: RT @sjunkins: Learning is one of the most powerful things a student can do with their mind. #lrnchat
08:42:22 pm kasey428: Q1) I don’t remember. Only vague memories of fear. The bike was too big for me. I do remember that. #lrnchat
08:42:45 pm LnDDave: RT @Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Remember when you learned to ride a bike? What was that like? #lrnchat
08:42:48 pm reubentozman: Q1) I remember first getting my balance…..I remember riding the next time and immediately getting it #Lrnchat
08:42:50 pm JD_Dillon: Q1) Failing should “hurt” but also motivate and prompt added support. This feels like a metaphor… #lrnchat
08:43:01 pm stipton: q1) being excited to have the power of learning something new, that gave a sense of freedom & empowerment. #lrnchat
08:43:02 pm HistorianNora: RT @sjunkins: Learning is one of the most powerful things a student can do with their mind. #lrnchat
08:43:12 pm Quinnovator: q1) thing that sticks in my mind was the ‘eureka’ moment when felt the *right* connection between body shift and bike turning #lrnchat
08:43:14 pm reubentozman: Q1) never figured out why I couldn’t do it right from the beginning #Lrnchat
08:43:27 pm busynessgirl: @JD_Dillon See previous tweet about awesome video where you see someone trying to learn a skateboarding move again & again & again #lrnchat
08:43:27 pm Keener1111: RT @JD_Dillon: Q1) You have to fail over and over again …You never remember that part afterwards #lrnchat
08:43:33 pm Quinnovator: @kasey428 yeah, kinda far back in my mind too. Using ‘surfing’ as my proxy😉 #lrnchat
08:43:40 pm jmunro18: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Remember when you learned to ride a bike? What was that like? Just jumped on as soon ASAP & experimented #lrnchat”
08:43:41 pm ThomasStone: This week I learned about Caine’s Cardboard Arcade. Such a great video! http://t.co/WXbGuCh6 #lrnchat
08:44:34 pm kasey428: Q1) Surely I fell over a couple of times. Probably hurt my pride, but it didn’t stop me from learning. #lrnchat
08:44:49 pm HollyJustice1: Q1) Learning to ride:1) be brave; 2) lean on those helper tools; 3) It’s OK if things aren’t easy. Practice and don’t give up. #lrnchat
08:44:52 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 I remember wanting to do it so badly that it didn’t matter that I fell and got hurt. I remember how free I felt.Still do on bike #lrnchat
08:45:24 pm Quinnovator: q1) do believe I had training wheels first. #lrnchat
08:45:36 pm LnDDave: Q1) the realization that you will fall… But more importantly that you will also give able to get back up when you do #lrnchat
08:45:38 pm jmunro18: Q1. Stoping was the hard part. #lrnchat
08:45:49 pm JD_Dillon: Q1) Learning created a transition from reliance to autonomy. #lrnchat
08:46:02 pm reubentozman: Q1) The body memorized as well. Like surfing, snow boarding, windsurfing…the body remembers what to do #Lrnchat
08:46:04 pm Quinnovator: RT @jmunro18: Q1. Stoping was the hard part. #lrnchat < for me, it was turning w/o falling
08:46:19 pm stipton: Q1) That “I did it” moment cannot be replicated. Wow, talk about transporting back… #lrnchat
08:46:39 pm Keener1111: RT @Quinnovator: q1) do believe I had training wheels first. – kids learning today remove the pedals (run-along bikes) #lrnchat
08:46:44 pm Quinnovator: @reubentozman tho’ found negative transfer ‘twixt surfing and snowboarding: side to side yes, front to back *no*! #lrnchat
08:47:08 pm LnDDave: Q1) not being able to succeed until I was no longer afraid to fail #lrnchat
08:47:26 pm jmunro18: “@Quinnovator: RT @jmunro18: Q1. Stoping was the hard part. #lrnchat < for me, it was turning w/o falling”that too but we so wanted to do it
08:47:42 pm aplusdrb: Q1.To be honest I dont! but I remember my first bike! loved it!!! and was so excited when I could ride!!!! #lrnchat”
08:48:00 pm Quinnovator: @Keener1111 things kids do today w/ bikes (my nephew) are *so* much more than riding; jumping, balancing, … #lrnchat
08:48:16 pm reubentozman: @Quinnovator And different with wake boarding as well. Weight in back whereas with snowboarding weight is downhill #Lrnchat
08:49:11 pm JaneBozarth: I remember once I got my balance it felt like a real accomplishment. Same thing when I first got clutch/gas mix right. #lrnchat
08:49:43 pm Keener1111: @Quinnovator Unfortunately, I was never that brave. Riding without holding handles was the extent of my daredevil bike behaviour #lrnchat
08:49:46 pm LnDDave: Q1) learning to ride a bike was one f my first personal “I did it!” moments of personal pride. #lrnchat
08:49:57 pm stipton: q1) Remember first learning to ride, when that was accomplished- wanting to ride w/no hands. Where’s the fun if no risk? #lrnchat
08:50:51 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth didn’t want to take driving test w/ manual, but my automatic had broken down! jump, jump, jump… #lrnchat
08:50:53 pm Keener1111: RT @jmunro18: no training wheels for me….greater risk, greater reward? #lrnchat
08:52:00 pm JD_Dillon: Q1) Teacher can tell you how they do it but everyone needs to find their own style and approach to learn. #lrnchat
08:52:36 pm HollyJustice1: Q1) Pay attention to avoid crazy crashes; I had 3 bad ones! The payoff is worth it – freedom from parental units. #lrnchat
08:52:43 pm Quinnovator: RT @Quinnovator: q1) interesting is that bike riding is more muscle memory than perhaps many of our learning goals #lrnchat
08:53:07 pm Quinnovator: q1) and yet muscle memory can let you down when you accidentally type #Lrnhcat instead of #Lrnchat (doh)
08:53:20 pm stipton: RT @Quinnovator: q1) interesting is that bike riding is more muscle memory than perhaps many of our learning goals #lrnchat
08:54:02 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Instead of muscle memory, then: being able to hold a conversation you WANT to have, in a non-native language. #lrnchat
08:54:42 pm jmunro18: “@Keener1111: ….greater risk..? Perhaps for some. Others not so motivated may have given up. We had no choice & taught ourselves #lrnchat”
08:54:46 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson an example I can’t resonate with, having only enough 2nd lang to get faced slapped, not convo I *want* to have😉 #lrnchat
08:54:47 pm kasey428: Q1) I can still ride a bike in spite on getting on one only two or three times the last 4 years. Somethings you don’t forget. #lrnchat
08:55:05 pm HollyJustice1: Nicely said! RT @JD_Dillon Q1) Learning created a transition from reliance to autonomy. #lrnchat
08:55:06 pm lrnchat: Q2. Think about something you learned recently. How was that learning similar or different? #lrnchat
08:55:24 pm stipton: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Think about something you learned recently. How was that learning similar or different? #lrnchat
08:55:28 pm Quinnovator: RT @kasey428: Q1) can still ride bike in spite of getting on one only 2 or 3 times in last 4 years. Some things you don’t forget. #lrnchat
08:55:36 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Think about something you learned recently. How was that learning similar or different? #lrnchat
08:56:07 pm Keener1111: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Think about something you learned recently. How was that learning similar or different? #lrnchat
08:56:27 pm JD_Dillon: Q2) Learned how to develop in new wiki platform, more strategic and autonomous, less physical or room for failure. #lrnchat
08:56:27 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Think about something you learned recently. How was that learning similar or different? #lrnchat
08:57:10 pm Quinnovator: q2) learned to use a new virtual world, did it alone, but tapped into previous experience *and* explored/experimented #lrnchat
08:57:18 pm JD_Dillon: Q2) Learning in a professional environment can offer less room to fail depending on org culture. #lrnchat
08:57:44 pm Keener1111: Q2) Only some things evoke that kind of excitement towards learning. Need to recreate that excitement! #lrnchat
08:58:02 pm JD_Dillon: @theairton … learned to read and respond to direct messages!!! #lrnchat
08:58:05 pm Quinnovator: q2) as with surfing/wake-snowboarding, previous experience can facilitate *or* interfere #lrnchat
08:58:11 pm reubentozman: Q2) Far less complex. The task was straightforward the consequences easy to foresee. #Lrnchat
08:58:30 pm Quinnovator: q2) safety to experiment really seems to help! #lrnchat
08:59:02 pm stipton: Q2) Switching from my blackberry to my Android phone for work. Remarkable how you have to reprogram your mind & fingers #lrnchat
08:59:07 pm naprodje: #lrnchat mp3 melodii dlya mobilnogo telefona http://t.co/jI4tox23
08:59:22 pm TheAirton: Q2) continuing: Most learning today doesn’t look for mastery. It’s the “ya got enough, here’s the next one” #lrnchat
08:59:29 pm hadisabra1: busynessgirl: Great TEDx talk on how learning to skateboard can save education http://t.co/pfMNu4it #lrnchat (li… http://t.co/eeVIMcnc
08:59:39 pm JaneBozarth: Gotta go but will leave you with this, on becoming more mindful about learning http://t.co/vTA0V0XV #lrnchat
08:59:40 pm kasey428: Q2) Still learning to use the new CMS. The taxonomy, lexicon, and nesting is like a new language. It gets easier by the day. #lrnchat
09:00:16 pm JD_Dillon: Q2) The pain from failure is much less physical, more emotional. #lrnchat
09:00:32 pm reubentozman: Q2) there was a great mixture of let me do this on my own and a guiding hand holding the bike up fr a brief period of time #Lrnchat
09:00:36 pm Keener1111: Q2) “learned” improv – Exciting, difficult to do well, practice – practice – practice. Safe environment is very helpful. #lrnchat
09:00:55 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TheAirton I wonder whether “mastery” = (learn + apply) / feedback, multiplied by time. #lrnchat
09:01:01 pm Quinnovator: q2) wondering what else physical I learned; tennis (and I’m not good) more gradual than bicycle ‘aha’ #Lrnchat
09:01:19 pm stipton: Q2) Not as easy as one would think. Talk about a mental workout – for a bit you have to actually think. #lrnchat
09:02:00 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Touch typing? Doesn’t have bicycle-y aha moment.
#lrnchat
09:02:05 pm TheAirton: @dave_ferguson true mastery is something one never reaches but never stops attempting #lrnchat
09:02:08 pm JD_Dillon: @theairton … are mastery and accountability related? cousins? brothers? twins? #lrnchat
09:02:41 pm jmunro18: “@JD_Dillon: Q2) The pain from failure is much less physical, more emotional. “. Agree. #lrnchat”
09:02:48 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson touch typing good example. Didn’t take course, just forced myself not to look at keyboard! #lrnchat
09:03:27 pm hoclayli: #lrnchat chitat knigi lorel gamilton http://t.co/UwKFTH0C
09:03:58 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JD_Dillon Mastery: performs at high level w/ high efficiency. Accountability: has to fix if stuff goes wrong. No necess’y link. #lrnchat
09:04:16 pm sarahcolettem: #lrnchat both were similar- but there was no Internet to help w the bike:-/
09:04:31 pm ThomasStone: Q2) Lately, many of the things I’ve been learning (teaching myself) are framed as things *not to do*, so kinda different. #lrnchat
09:04:50 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Yes & typing has lots of related-but-not same skills (diff letters), diff freqs, diff perf situations. #lrnchat
09:04:50 pm TheAirton: @jd_dillon I believe they’re family. As to which relationship you decide, but they walk hand in hand. #lrnchat
09:05:32 pm JD_Dillon: @Dave_Ferguson in many environments, people won’t seek mastery unless they are held accountable for the knowledge/behavior. #lrnchat
09:05:47 pm HollyJustice1: Q2) Learning now is similar in 1) be brave 2) be ready to fall 3) I still whoop and cheer out loud when successful! #lrnchat
09:05:53 pm Dave_Ferguson: @stipton Most of anything humans do is auto-pilot. Part of that is clusters of embedded (mastered) skills — e.g., reading. #lrnchat
09:06:03 pm TheAirton: Oh BTW, I’m Airton from Orlando and it’s been awhile. #lrnchat
09:06:12 pm TriciaRansom: Today RT @stipton Is it me – or is alot of what we do auto pilot? When was the last time we really stretched the brain? #lrnchat
09:06:16 pm sarahcolettem: #lrnchat everything I’ve ever learned- that stayed with me- was like riding a bike… Lots of practical application😉
09:06:27 pm Quinnovator: @stipton hermeneutic (yes, *drink*) talks about diff btwn when can just act, and when you have a ‘breakdown’ & must be mindful #lrnchat
09:06:31 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JD_Dillon I agree, but being accountable (or held as such) doesn’t mean you HAVE mastery. You might just be The Stuckee. #lrnchat
09:06:32 pm reubentozman: @stipton I’m unfortunately stretching the brain more often than I’d like. #Lrnchat
09:06:56 pm Keener1111: RT @HollyJustice1: Q2) Learning now is similar in 1) be brave 2) be ready to fall 3) I still whoop and cheer out loud when succes
#lrnchat
09:07:04 pm Quinnovator: @ThomasStone you exploring the dark side?😉 #lrnchat
09:07:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JD_Dillon Nor does having mastery meant you will be recognized/credited/rewarded for it. Orgs good at non-reinforcing. #lrnchat
09:07:27 pm TheAirton: Q2) I learned more from the pain involved when I fell and didn’t want to experience again than the actual riding. #lrnchat
09:07:37 pm stipton: @Dave_Ferguson Agree, hence the question, there are things we become aware of – are we confusing that with learning? #lrnchat
09:07:37 pm Quinnovator: RT @HollyJustice1: Q2) Learning now is similar 1) be brave 2) be ready to fall 3) I still whoop & cheer out loud when successful! #lrnchat
09:07:47 pm JD_Dillon: @Dave_Ferguson also true, not a vice-versa situation. #lrnchat
09:08:08 pm MarshaBrownL: @HollyJustice1 #lrnchat I do too: 3)
09:08:40 pm stipton: @reubentozman why would that be unfortunate? It would do us all good to go out of our comfort zones w/some mental stretching #lrnchat
09:09:28 pm Quinnovator: @stipton @Dave_Ferguson isn’t #lrnchat a little stretch? Never know what you’ll find (like a box of chocolates😉
09:10:01 pm HollyJustice1: Q2) Learning is different…support yourself. Others may help. However it’s up to you to move yourself through the darkness. #lrnchat
09:10:01 pm reubentozman: @stipton Because auto-pilot also allows the brain to rest… #Lrnchat
09:10:04 pm lrnchat: Q3. Is it possible to learn accidentally? How? #lrnchat
09:10:08 pm stipton: @Quinnovator hermeneutic? that word just hurt my brain.🙂 #lrnchat
09:10:09 pm treverreeh: #lrnchat Hi, I am Trever Reeh. The last thing I learned was different from riding a bike, because I read it in a book.
09:10:10 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Is it possible to learn accidentally? How? #lrnchat
09:10:30 pm TheAirton: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Is it possible to learn accidentally? How? #lrnchat
09:10:38 pm Keener1111: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Is it possible to learn accidentally? How? #lrnchat
09:10:48 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q3: accidental learning: concentrate on your smartphone while walking; discover where curbs are. #lrnchat
09:10:51 pm stipton: @reubentozman no argument there…that’s why there is real love for Angry birds. #lrnchat🙂
09:10:56 pm Quinnovator: q3) there’s *some* randomness in our architecture, so we could occasionally do something better and get rewarded… #Lrnchat
09:11:07 pm stipton: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Is it possible to learn accidentally? How? #lrnchat
09:11:35 pm JD_Dillon: Q3) You can learn “accidentally” or just “naturally” as part of your everyday. #lrnchat
09:11:39 pm TheAirton: Q3) My learners would say thats the rule with me sometimes #lrnchat
09:11:45 pm Dave_Ferguson: @stipton Herman Eutic. Guy from Bavaria Tech. Developed theory that we remember 33% of what we hear while eating cabbage. #lrnchat
09:12:13 pm Keener1111: Q3) Accidental learning today…glue guns are hot, don’t try to rush when using. Trial and error… #lrnchat
09:12:13 pm JD_Dillon: Q3) Plenty of times I don’t say to myself “I’m going to learn right now.” #lrnchat
09:12:17 pm HollyJustice1: RT @sarahcolettem: #lrnchat everything I’ve ever learned- that stayed with me- was like riding a bike… Lots of practical application😉
09:12:20 pm reubentozman: Q3) to me all learning is characterized by the outcome being different than expected outcomes. That’s the transformative nature #Lrnchat
09:12:22 pm TheAirton: Q3) Aren’t all inventions accidental learning? #lrnchat
09:12:45 pm treverreeh: #lrnchat learning accidentally comes from having fun and exploring in education. Then realize you actually learned something. (technology)
09:12:45 pm reubentozman: RT @stipton: @reubentozman no argument there…thats why there is real love for Angry birds. #lrnchat🙂 #Lrnchat
09:13:10 pm Keener1111: RT @reubentozman: Q3) to me all learning is characterized by the outcome being different than expected outcomes. #lrnchat
09:13:14 pm ThomasStone: Or bears RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q3: accidental learning: concentrate on your smartphone while walking; discover where curbs are. #lrnchat
09:13:16 pm Quinnovator: q3) you can find more about Herman here: http://t.co/AO4Js3Bd (unlike @Dave_Ferguson, I didn’t make it up🙂 #lrnchat
09:13:35 pm JD_Dillon: Q3) Have you Googled? You’ve probably learned, accidentally or not. #lrnchat
09:13:42 pm jmunro18: “@HollyJustice1: Q2) Does that apply in the workplace or just in a formal learning environment? #lrnchat”
09:13:42 pm stipton: Accidental Learning = I cannot wear white and eat or drink anything. Experience = accidental learning #lrnchat
09:14:08 pm Keener1111: @TheAirton I would say no, as they are deliberate, planned, and have expectations #lrnchat
09:14:08 pm Keener1111: @TheAirton I would say no, as they are deliberate, planned, and have expectations #lrnchat
09:14:31 pm reubentozman: What learning isn’t accidental? Don’t we each learn different things from the same experience? #Lrnchat
09:15:06 pm EHommeland: #lrnchat late and lurking….
09:15:06 pm Keener1111: RT @JD_Dillon: Q3) Have you Googled? Youve probably learned, accidentally or not….depending on the sources, hence the probably? #lrnchat
09:15:06 pm Quinnovator: q3) but to get transfer, reckon you do have to consciously reflect, at least for knowledge work #lrnchat
09:15:11 pm HollyJustice1: @stipton I push myself daily to do the brain stretch. I figure you are ripe; you rot. Keeps the dementia away 2. #lrnchat
09:15:43 pm reubentozman: Q3) when u answer this question don’t mistake learning with instruction. Learning does not equal the instruction #Lrnchat
09:15:49 pm jmunro18: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Is it possible to learn accidentally? How? By experiencing the same thing repeatedly. #lrnchat”
09:16:03 pm Keener1111: RT @Quinnovator: q3) but to get transfer, reckon you do have to consciously reflect, at least for knowledge work #lrnchat
09:16:09 pm kasey428: RT @reubentozman: What learning isnt accidental? Dont we each learn different things from the same experience? #lrnchat
09:16:20 pm stipton: Good point RT @JD_Dillon: Q3) Have you Googled? You’ve probably learned, accidentally or not. #lrnchat
09:16:35 pm stipton: RT @reubentozman: Q3) when u answer this question don’t mistake learning with instruction. Learning does not equal the instruction #Lrnchat
09:16:40 pm JD_Dillon: @Keener1111 hehe, definite conditions to consider, but more likely than not Google leads to new knowledge. #lrnchat
09:17:18 pm towittertoo: @lrnchat Of course! #lrnchat learning is almost always accidental!
09:17:22 pm Quinnovator: RT @reubentozman: Q3) when u answer this question don’t mistake learning with instruction. Learning does not equal the instruction #Lrnchat
09:17:34 pm stipton: @HollyJustice1 Brain exercise a day keeps the dementia away! sounds like good advice to me #lrnchat
09:18:21 pm kasey428: Q3) I pick up knowledge as I glance over a magazine with no conscious intent of putting something memory. #lrnchat
09:19:50 pm pitqtoporoj: #lrnchat internet magazin shorty http://t.co/4jrw0NLJ
09:19:57 pm HollyJustice1: @jmunro18 #lrnchat Q2) Applies anywhere. New challenges come up in unexpected places.
09:20:35 pm treverreeh: RT @stipton: @HollyJustice1 Brain exercise a day keeps the dementia away! sounds like good advice to me #lrnchat
09:20:36 pm Keener1111: RT @HollyJustice1: @jmunro18 #lrnchat Q2) Applies anywhere. New challenges come up in unexpected places. #lrnchat
09:21:13 pm Quinnovator: q3) reckon there’s intentional learning too, when you *want* to learn something (tho’ what/how may have ‘serendipity’😉 #lrnchat
09:22:19 pm ribugibu: #lrnchat luchshaya kniga metro 2033 http://t.co/ZhcRZnm1
09:23:31 pm jmass: How important do you think it is to become more aware of your own unconscious learning? #lrnchat
09:23:33 pm HollyJustice1: Q3) Aiming for 1 thing and finding another. This week my hubby was reviewing my Slideshare; learned about budgeting by accident! #lrnchat
09:24:06 pm Quinnovator: @jmass reckon insight into your own learning is necessary to improve it (meta learning!) #lrnchat
09:24:20 pm stipton: @Quinnovator Is there more satisfaction in “intentional learning” or “accidental learning”? #lrnchat
09:24:49 pm yzaqaqig: #lrnchat lichnye podarki http://t.co/bwUcu5Lb
09:25:02 pm lrnchat: Q4. How can we be more mindful that learning is taking place? #lrnchat
09:25:03 pm Quinnovator: @stipton Couldn’t really say. Depends on what floats your boat? #lrnchat
09:25:13 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q4. How can we be more mindful that learning is taking place? #lrnchat
09:25:18 pm Keener1111: Have to run – thanks for the chat🙂 Christine Keene, near TO #lrnchat
09:25:31 pm TheAirton: RT @lrnchat: Q4. How can we be more mindful that learning is taking place? #lrnchat
09:25:32 pm JD_Dillon: @stipton id say real satisfaction comes from improved performance as a result of learning regardless of purpose or accident. #lrnchat
09:25:40 pm HollyJustice1: Ouch! Agreed…RT @Keener1111 Q3) Accidental learning today…glue guns are hot, don’t try to rush when using. Trial and error… #lrnchat
09:25:55 pm Quinnovator: RT @JD_Dillon: @stipton real satisfaction comes from improved performance as result of learning regardless of purpose or accident. #lrnchat
09:25:56 pm stipton: RT @lrnchat: Q4. How can we be more mindful that learning is taking place? #lrnchat
09:26:01 pm articulatebrian: A3 – We learn by accident every day. Whether in work or in life, the “help documentation” isn’t always up to date. #lrnchat
09:26:09 pm JD_Dillon: Q4) Do we have to be? Need to be mindful to look for learning opportunities, but I’ll take it however it comes! #lrnchat
09:26:17 pm MMTingley: Late, but here. Scrolling through #lrnchat
09:26:45 pm EHommeland: #lrnchat Q3) “accidental” or “incidental”? Are they the same thing?
09:26:48 pm TheAirton: Q4) Mindful as to not detract from it? #lrnchat
09:27:00 pm Quinnovator: q4) being mindful, investigating learning explicitly, reflecting… #lrnchat
09:27:09 pm EdutainmentM: #lrnchat q3 accidental learning #wired #fastcompany, 2 of my favorite sources
09:27:35 pm Outdoorrsy: RT @spectrumpacific: 3 reasons the future of #learning will be #online http://t.co/6GfnPEk6 #edchat #lrnchat #k12 #highered #students #parents
09:27:49 pm jmass: RT @Quinnovator: @jmass reckon insight into your own learning is necessary to improve it (meta learning!) #lrnchat
09:27:54 pm stipton: @Quinnovator @JD_Dillon Agree. I think there is a different feeling – “Wow, I didn’t expect that” & “Yeah! I accomplished XYZ” #lrnchat
09:27:54 pm JD_Dillon: Q4) Be mindful of changes to performance as a result of learning. #lrnchat
09:28:07 pm TheAirton: RT @jd_dillon: I’ll take it however it comes! Here Here #lrnchat
09:28:24 pm HollyJustice1: Q4) Being mindful about learning = giving the learner both the space and time for reflection. #lrnchat
09:28:40 pm Quinnovator: q4) don’t take learning for granted; look at how it *really* happens (not folk psych), understand it, take ownership #lrnchat
09:28:49 pm Quinnovator: RT @HollyJustice1: Q4) Being mindful about learning = giving the learner both the space and time for reflection. #lrnchat < yes!
09:29:13 pm jmunro18: RT @HollyJustice1: Q4) Being mindful about learning = giving the learner both the space and time for reflection. #lrnchat
09:29:41 pm stipton: Q4) Being mindful period, of general surroundings. Not unlike driving home & realizing you can’t remember how you go there. #lrnchat
09:29:41 pm xavyles: #lrnchat psihologicheskaya literatura besplatno skachat http://t.co/u8R0rwGj
09:29:49 pm HollyJustice1: Q4) Was being mindful about my own learning while doing boring housework this week. Quiet and busy hands = good reflection time! #lrnchat
09:29:53 pm reubentozman: Q4) why should we be more mindful? What benefit does that have? I get why we should be mindful of how people learn #Lrnchat
09:30:25 pm reubentozman: …just not sure why we should be mindful of the moments in which were learning #Lrnchat
09:31:18 pm Quinnovator: q4) love seeding problems into my mind before ‘think time’ – shower, jog, drive – to discover solutions #lrnchat
09:31:33 pm reubentozman: Reflection is always good…that’s not being mindful in the moments we kern. That’s being mindful afterwards #Lrnchat
09:31:37 pm stipton: @reubentozman don’t have to mindful of how others learn, but being more mindful makes us more aware – what we may be missing. #lrnchat
09:31:46 pm Quinnovator: @reubentozman my take: best long-term investment we can make is improving our own learning #Lrnchat
09:31:50 pm EHommeland: @stipton hate when this happens! Also a little scary. Q4) Not unlike driving home & realizing you can’t remember how you go there. #lrnchat
09:32:22 pm HollyJustice1: @jmass The more unconscious learning you bring to the surface; the better. Once conscious you can improve on it. #lrnchat
09:32:33 pm Quinnovator: @EHommeland reminds me of waking up and not recognizing where I am (last time I was at home! too much travel!) #lrnchat
09:33:25 pm jmass: I learn best when I’m inspired. I try to focus on the precursors to inspiration which help me get into the zone. #lrnchat
09:33:49 pm EHommeland: @Quinnovator hate when that happens too! “too much travel” #lrnchat
09:34:02 pm EdutainmentM: RT @reubentozman: …just not sure why we should be mindful of the moments in which were learning #Lrnchat
09:34:35 pm kellygarber: arriving late here ::::::scrolling::::: accidental, incidental, unconscious, and inspirational learning – does that sum it up?
#lrnchat
09:35:06 pm EHommeland: #lrnchat Q4) true learning/improvement doesn’t take place w o reflection
09:35:38 pm amyzoli: #lrnchat kupit dublenku v internet magazine http://t.co/FLon9ur5
09:35:42 pm jmunro18: RT @EHommeland: #lrnchat Q4) true learning/improvement doesn’t take place w o reflection
09:35:55 pm stipton: Like going to a conf w/your goals all written out…why? Stroll around, listen to people, learn some stuff you didn’t expect. #lrnchat
09:35:57 pm reubentozman: @Quinnovator I don’t know Clark.I’m sitting here trying to understand consciously improving my own learning mechanics.#notcomputing #Lrnchat
09:36:06 pm EdutainmentM: @kellygarber I arrived late too… #lrnchat – think you’ve got it
09:36:08 pm kkruse: RT @Quinnovator: @jmass reckon insight into your own learning is necessary to improve it (meta learning!) #lrnchat
09:36:19 pm HollyJustice1: @kellygarber You are close- don’t forget the riding a bike bits! #lrnchat
09:36:43 pm EHommeland: @kellygarber 90 minutes summed up in 4 words. Nicely done. #lrnchat
09:36:46 pm reubentozman: Disagree happens all the time RT @EHommeland: #lrnchat Q4) true learning/improvement doesnt take place w o reflection #Lrnchat
09:36:48 pm jmass: Learning is pretty mysterious, I like that there’s more that I don’t know than I do. #lrnchat
09:37:44 pm Quinnovator: @reubentozman yes, may be like expert performance, that thinking on it impedes, and reflection is the go #lrnchat
09:38:00 pm reubentozman: @EHommeland first time I rebuilt an engine I learned while doing and it didn’t require a bit of reflection #Lrnchat
09:38:12 pm SnoozyMeg: #lrnchat sorry, late. Q4) I learn by making connections, hearing an example, taking time to come up with others.
09:38:16 pm MMTingley: Q4) Guess I’m mindful of learning when I recognize a connection btw something new and something I already know. #lrnchat
09:38:31 pm jmass: After expert is artist. #lrnchat
09:38:37 pm Quinnovator: @reubentozman well, you said you were feeling feisty😉 your learning style? (yes, *drink*) #Lrnchat
09:39:00 pm Sullivision: Short and 2 the point: Time Mgt Secrets Anyone Can Use http://t.co/D8pRx9cI #lrnchat
09:39:43 pm stipton: @reubentozman agree. we don’t have special reflection times during the day to analyze what we may have learned… #lrnchat
09:39:57 pm jmunro18: When you fell off the bike you had to be mindful/ reflect about why that happened and want you needed to do differently next time #lrnchat”
09:40:03 pm lrnchat: Q5. How can we make learning at work more like learning to ride a bike? #lrnchat
09:40:27 pm Quinnovator: @stipton @reubentozman also want to suggest reflection time on *how* we learn, and barriers we might have #Lrnchat
09:40:29 pm stipton: But it is nice to have a martini and ponder the why’s and wherefore’s of things that have occurred… #lrnchat
09:40:31 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q5. How can we make learning at work more like learning to ride a bike? #lrnchat
09:40:51 pm ropudial: #lrnchat chto luchshe kniga ili film http://t.co/pikJKGGv
09:40:58 pm Quinnovator: q5) make it safe to fail, provide ‘training wheels’, make value of outcome clear #lrnchat
09:41:27 pm JD_Dillon: Q5) Establish the WIIFM before engaging learners. Build learning into the culture. #Lrnchat
09:41:37 pm reubentozman: @Quinnovator I can be mindful about how I may want to learn something and I can reflect on the process…but mindful during? #Lrnchat
09:41:42 pm kellygarber: Q5: provide and/or seek new challenges #lrnchat
09:41:50 pm LeftyJack: RT @lrnchat: Q5. How can we make learning at work more like learning to ride a bike? #lrnchat
09:42:00 pm JD_Dillon: Q5) remediate failure, don’t punish (within reason) #lrnchat
09:42:09 pm charlesjennings: RT @Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q5. How can we make learning at work more like learning to ride a bike? #lrnchat
09:42:10 pm TheAirton: @reubentozman I rebuilt an engine and the only reflection I had was at startup and spun a bearing. It was more like “Oh s#$%” #lrnchat
09:42:13 pm reubentozman: @Quinnovator I’m drinking Advil. Does that count #Lrnchat
09:42:20 pm SnoozyMeg: #lrnchat q5) we need to be allowed to fall off the bike ie take risks
09:42:20 pm Quinnovator: @reubentozman yes, probably too meta to be mindful *during*, but micro-slices? #Lrnchat
09:42:41 pm Quinnovator: @reubentozman under the weather? Sympathies… #Lrnchat
09:42:50 pm pilyqh679: #lrnchat veb kamera kupit v magazine http://t.co/NTz6en8G
09:42:55 pm JD_Dillon: Q5) Tie learning directly to success. Excite learners! #lrnchat
09:42:58 pm stipton: @Quinnovator @reubentozman after a session or meeting I do like to have some time to think about what just happened/experienced #lrnchat
09:43:25 pm reubentozman: Q5) bring a bike to work? #Lrnchat
09:43:33 pm SciAll: RT @spectrumpacific: Using Musical Notes to #Teach Fractions http://t.co/4BkfOUBd #lrnchat #edChat #edTech #edblog #teachers #k12
09:43:53 pm kellygarber: @EHommeland thank-you, I’m in a word count reduction mode.🙂 #lrnchat
09:44:14 pm Quinnovator: q5) provide real practice, make failures safe, focus on meaningful goals, adjust challenge accordingly (sounds like games!) #Lrnchat
09:44:15 pm HollyJustice1: Q5) How to make learning at work more like learning to ride a bike? Mini trials and mini tastes of success. #lrnchat
09:44:15 pm reubentozman: @Quinnovator Yeah…my kiddies and I… #Lrnchat
09:44:25 pm jmass: Learning to ride a bike is exhilarating. Learning at work takes work to find degree of exhilaration. #lrnchat
09:44:41 pm EdutainmentM: RT @JD_Dillon: Q5) Tie learning directly to success. Excite learners! #lrnchat
09:44:53 pm MMTingley: Q5) Missed bike ride chat, but Son2 watched Son1 and picked it up in 10 minutes. Watch an expert. #lrnchat
09:45:00 pm towittertoo: @lrnchat Q5 #lrnchat quit faulting people for failures
09:45:22 pm JD_Dillon: Q5) Give your learners “helmets” – resources, performance support, etc. #lrnchat
09:45:28 pm billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q5. How can we make learning at work more like learning to ride a bike? #lrnchat
09:45:41 pm EdutainmentM: RT @kellygarber: Q5: provide and/or seek new challenges #lrnchat
09:45:41 pm SnoozyMeg: #lrnchat q5) falling off the bike/taking risks feeds creativity and persistence to keep trying, striving for better
09:45:50 pm kellygarber: Q5 – learning something new provides learners with what they need to get somewhere (like the bike) #lrnchat
09:45:55 pm articulatebrian: Couldn’t have said it better! RT @Quinnovator q5) make it safe to fail, provide ‘training wheels’, make value of outcome clear #lrnchat
09:46:02 pm TheAirton: Q5) Tie learning to intrinsic goals set by learners. Remove carrots and sticks thinking #lrnchat
09:46:11 pm EHommeland: Forgot #lrnchat @reubentozman fair enough. fair 2 say that looking back @ ur accomplishment is when u were truly aware of new knowledge?
09:46:19 pm stipton: Q5 ) Make learning at work less like learning at work. How about a bit of fun for a change? #lrnchat
09:46:34 pm billcush: Q5) Get people to actually “ride a bike” … call customers, write reports, process cases, etc. #lrnchat
09:46:35 pm HollyJustice1: Q5) Peer pressure and good stories from the pros. Watching others riding off into the sunset = I want to ride 2! #lrnchat
09:46:48 pm JD_Dillon: RT @stipton: Q5 ) Make learning at work less like learning at work. How about a bit of fun for a change? #lrnchat
09:46:55 pm Quinnovator: RT @MMTingley: Q5) re: bike ride, Son2 watched Son1 and picked it up in 10 minutes. Watch an expert. #lrnchat < yes, copying *isn’t* bad!
09:47:02 pm jmass: Insert bad “training” wheels joke. #lrnchat
09:47:07 pm MMTingley: Q5) Need more time to go out and play😉 #lrnchat
09:47:26 pm EHommeland: #lrnchat q5) Keep. It. Relevant.
09:47:31 pm reubentozman: Q5) make it about performance – riding the bike – not learning about riding. #Lrnchat
09:47:42 pm Quinnovator: q5) remember: repeated practice; event model does *not* work #lrnchat
09:47:48 pm Quinnovator: RT @reubentozman: Q5) make it about performance – riding the bike – not learning about riding. #Lrnchat < verily
09:47:50 pm articulatebrian: A5 – Don’t just encourage those who fall of the bike, encourage those that have an appetite for learning to start “mountain biking” #lrnchat
09:47:52 pm EHommeland: RT @towittertoo: @lrnchat Q5 #lrnchat quit faulting people for failures
09:47:57 pm JD_Dillon: RT @reubentozman: Q5) make it about performance – riding the bike – not learning about riding. #Lrnchat
09:48:11 pm Quinnovator: RT @EHommeland: #lrnchat q5) Keep. It. Relevant.
09:48:12 pm MMTingley: RT @reubentozman: Q5) make it about performance – riding the bike – not learning about riding. #lrnchat
09:48:22 pm Quinnovator: RT @MMTingley: Q5) Need more time to go out and play😉 #lrnchat < practice, er, play😉
09:48:27 pm TheAirton: Q5) Add spinning cycles and remove desks. #lrnchat
09:48:30 pm vujujute: #lrnchat kniga luchshee karate http://t.co/9CmWlKGI
09:48:38 pm Quinnovator: RT @stipton: Q5 ) Make learning at work less like learning at work. How about a bit of fun for a change? #lrnchat
09:48:39 pm reubentozman: That’s the truth RT @Quinnovator: q5) remember: repeated practice; event model does *not* work #Lrnchat
09:49:29 pm EdutainmentM: RT @reubentozman: Q5) make it about performance – riding the bike – not learning about riding. #Lrnchat
09:49:30 pm billcush: Indeed. RT @mmtingley: Q5) Need more time to go out and play😉 #lrnchat
09:49:34 pm JD_Dillon: Speaking of muscle memory, getting really good at reporting spammers tonight. #lrnchat
09:49:41 pm SnoozyMeg: #lrnchat q5) allow for autonomy. Allow people to go off on their own (or team) with an idea and see what happens. That too is exhilarating
09:49:59 pm HollyJustice1: I like your Q5) answer: real practice, failures safe, meaningful goals, adjust challenge accordingly. A good place to learn! #Lrnchat
09:50:01 pm billcush: Bingo! RT @reubentozman: Q5) make it about performance – riding the bike – not learning about riding. #Lrnchat
09:50:26 pm EHommeland: YES! @TheAirton Q5) Add spinning cycles and remove desks. #lrnchat
09:50:40 pm Quinnovator: q5) 4 hours of bike theory, right? #lrnchat
09:50:46 pm kellygarber: RT @EdutainmentM: RT @reubentozman: Q5) make it about performance – riding the bike – not learning about riding. #lrnchat
09:50:52 pm reubentozman: Q5) The lecture before you got on the bike was meaningless. It was the ride that counted. It was the ride that let you ‘learn’ #Lrnchat
09:51:19 pm HollyJustice1: RT @Quinnovator: RT @MMTingley: Q5) re: bike ride, Son2 watched Son1 and picked it up in 10 minutes. Watch an expert. #lrnchat < yes, copying *isn’t* bad!
09:51:24 pm stipton: RT @Quinnovator: q5) 4 hours of bike theory, right? #lrnchat < with the prework assignment of reading the manual.
09:51:47 pm JD_Dillon: Q5) simulation is good, OJT is better! #lrnchat
09:51:47 pm Quinnovator: @stipton and a test on rules of the road. Done. #lrnchat
09:52:11 pm EHommeland: #lrnchat q5) opportunities for repeated practice w guidance/feedback from experts and allowing those who are ready to charge ahead.
09:52:13 pm Quinnovator: RT @JD_Dillon: Q5) simulation is good, OJT is better! #lrnchat < sometimes both, when OJT has costly consequences😉
09:52:44 pm HollyJustice1: Agreed! RT @kellygarber Q5 – learning something new provides learners with what they need to get somewhere (like the bike) #lrnchat
09:52:59 pm JD_Dillon: Q5) Great points! I don’t remember a multiple choice test after learning to ride! #lrnchat
09:53:47 pm EdutainmentM: #lrnchat Q5: make it something you want to do, meaningful to you now; Pink’s intrinsic motivation
09:54:04 pm kellygarber: provide topics that people want to learn about, what knowledge do they covet? #lrnchat
09:54:31 pm EdutainmentM: RT @kellygarber: provide topics that people want to learn about, what knowledge do they covet? #lrnchat
09:54:32 pm EHommeland: #lrnchat q5) performance assessment. Can you ride/stop around the block w o falling/crashing?
09:55:02 pm lrnchat: QWrap) Time to say goodnight. Please re-introduce yourself. Comments, shameless plugs welcome.#lrnchat
09:55:21 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) Time to say goodnight. Please re-introduce yourself. Comments, shameless plugs welcome.#lrnchat < that time *already*?
09:55:37 pm stipton: @Quinnovator 50 question multiple choice with an essay. Gotta have the measurement! #lrnchat
09:55:56 pm JD_Dillon: QWrap) JD from Orlando and I want to be your #ff🙂 thanks for another fun and engaging #lrnchat
09:55:59 pm Quinnovator: Qwrap) thanks to new and returning #lrnchat participants for another fast and fun session!
09:56:15 pm Quinnovator: @stipton exactly, and a pre-test, so we can show a delta! #lrnchat
09:56:31 pm stonejessie: RT @spectrumpacific: Using Musical Notes to #Teach Fractions http://t.co/4BkfOUBd #lrnchat #edChat #edTech #edblog #teachers #k12
09:57:33 pm articulatebrian: Thanks for letting me participate. I was late to the show, but I enjoyed it. Long time listener, first time participant. #lrnchat
09:57:37 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design strategist (yes, really), consultant/author/speaker, genial malcontent, lifelong learner #Lrnchat
09:57:49 pm EHommeland: #lrnchat Erin in SoCal. Thx everyone for great Qs and As!!
09:57:51 pm kellygarber: RT @EHommeland: q5) performance assessment. Can you ride/stop around the block w o falling/crashing? <- crash test.🙂 #lrnchat
09:58:02 pm lrnchat: Goodnight everyone, and have a good week. #lrnchat
09:58:34 pm stipton: Shannon, Chicago L&D Director. Sleepless in the UK but going to give it a shot now! #lrnchat
09:58:42 pm TheAirton: Qwrap) Airton from Orlando and this was fun #lrnchat
09:59:13 pm EdutainmentM: #lrnchat Qwrap) Cheryl Lasse, Edutainment Media, fan of self-directed learning, generator of employee-driven curriculum/IDPs #sdle
09:59:16 pm SnoozyMeg: #lrnchat it’s been a while but glad I stopped by. Thanks for inspiration, Meagan Schmidt L&D Mgr….always learning
09:59:47 pm EHommeland: @kellygarber THX for the RTs!! #lrnchat
10:00:37 pm MMTingley: Melissa Tingley, eLearning ID consultant. Boston. Starting a new project next week. Yay! #lrnchat
10:01:15 pm kellygarber: Qwrap) Kelly, freelance instructional designer – sorry I was late, missed some good stuff – thanks. #lrnchat
10:01:21 pm HollyJustice1: QWrapUp) Good night! Thanks for the laughs and good thoughts #lrnchat A fun plug: “The Home Budget – Why Bother?” http://t.co/CL83BDor
10:01:55 pm kellygarber: @EHommeland no problem, good stuff! have a great evening.
#lrnchat
10:04:54 pm mark_mcguire: Each in our own cell / Institutional Culture / Small petri dishes / #haiku from #DEANZ2012 #Wellington #change11 #lrnchat #highered #edchat

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