Transcript 24-February, 2012

9:30:03 am lrnchat: Welcome to #lrnchat! How are you this afternoon?
9:31:13 am C4LPT: RT @lrnchat: Welcome to #lrnchat! How are you this afternoon? <I will RT key questions via @c4lpt and join as @janehart
9:31:16 am lrnchat: If you are new to #lrnchat, we have rules available here: http://t.co/755c8oIh
9:31:52 am ZaraLynnKing: Hi everyone, Zara Mississauga Ontario Canada. Going to love this topic. #lrnchat
9:31:55 am dan_steer: @lrnchat I’m sure I shouldn’t be paying attention to #lrnchat = I’m busy and trying to stop working for the day… #lrnchat
9:32:03 am lrnchat: Q0. We begin w/ the weekly #lrnchat welcome: Introduce yourself. Where are you from? What have you learned this week?
9:32:35 am dawnjmahoney: Pardon the tweet storm/Join us! RT @lrnchat: Welcome to #lrnchat! How are you this afternoon?
9:32:51 am dan_steer: I’m a learning consultant and trainer, interested in all things social, authentic and fun #lrnchat …based in Belgium
9:33:32 am allthingsnoisy: Q0. Hi, I’m Jenda, curriculum developer & tech trainer in supply chain mgmt in Pittsburgh, PA. #lrnchat
9:33:44 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lrnchat: Q0. We begin w/ the weekly #lrnchat welcome: Introduce yourself. Where are you from? What have you learned this week?
9:34:18 am dan_steer: Q0) Dealing with personal stress, core beliefs + values is the biggest fundamental thing to do before any change is integrated#lrnchat
9:36:08 am allthingsnoisy: q0. This week, I learned you can’t train end users in new tech as “just another IT project”. It has to be humanistic, narrative. #lrnchat
9:36:16 am belowit: Hello all! David from Rocky Mount, North Carolina. Instructional Designer. #lrnchat
9:36:20 am tonyplant: been helping charity think about using social learning for staff; been learning about their needs #lrnchat
9:36:26 am naturalgrump: RT @lrnchat: If you are new to #lrnchat, we have rules available here: http://t.co/755c8oIh
9:37:12 am belowit: Q0) I learned about 7 myths of mobile learning via @floatlearning webinar. #lrnchat
9:37:42 am virtualpioneer: Hello, I’m David. Work with @vcopious Virtual Environments. We build virtual environments for elearning. #lrnchat
9:38:11 am ZaraLynnKing: #lrnchat this week I learned about pain and success also I learned it help to have important ppl support your project.
9:38:46 am dan_steer: @belowit @floatlearning Do you have a reference David? #lrnchat
9:38:46 am trchandler: Todd Chandler, learning and performance @Helzberg in KC, MO #lrnchat
9:38:52 am janehart: Q0) Hi everyone, Jane Hart from nr Bath in the UK – learned lots this week – I never stop learning – it just happens! #lrnchat
9:39:45 am elearningguy: Just jumping in here…Mark Sheppard, currently in snowy Borden, ON. #lrnchat
9:39:47 am c_clavin: RT @lrnchat: Q0. We begin w/ the weekly #lrnchat welcome: Introduce yourself. Where are you from? What have you learned this week?
9:40:04 am lrnchat: Q1. Why is training so loved when it’s so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat
9:40:21 am bobzimel: #lrnchat bob zimel here from nj …nlewrning this week -> I should definitely lrnchat And inshould get blooootooth keyboard for my iPad
9:40:23 am trchandler: Living = learning RT @janehart: I never stop learning – it just happens! #lrnchat
9:40:47 am trchandler: Great opening question RT @lrnchat: Q1. Why is training so loved when its so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat
9:40:48 am C4LPT: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Why is training so loved when it’s so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat
9:40:53 am elearningguy: Q0) I learned now that I don’t teach on a f/t basis any more, I enjoy it more when the occasion rises. Lots of fun on Wednesday #lrnchat
9:40:53 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Why is training so loved when its so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat
9:41:09 am onsSara: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Why is training so loved when its so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat
9:41:29 am dawnjmahoney: @bobzimel Hi Bob! I have the keyboard/better without it for some reason (to me) And yes! u shd lrnchat! #lrnchat
9:41:29 am virtualpioneer: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Why is training so loved when its so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat
9:41:34 am trchandler: Q1) Because it’s tangible. You can point to it and say, “Look what we did.” #lrnchat
9:41:34 am c_clavin: Q0: L&D professional in medical device industry. Social learning and gamification enthusiast. #lrnchat
9:41:50 am ZaraLynnKing: I think there is a miss perception that ppl will have the right behavior zapped into their brain #lrnchat
9:41:57 am lress: Great question: Q1 Why is training so loved when it’s so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:42:00 am c_clavin: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Why is training so loved when it’s so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat
9:42:01 am dawnjmahoney: Q1) <cynical> Cuz then its someone else’s problem #lrnchat
9:42:10 am trchandler: Q1) It’s CYA insurance #lrnchat
9:42:22 am tonyplant: @janehart yes, I do mean using social media #lrnchat
9:42:25 am virtualpioneer: A1. Execs can relate to it and report on it #lrnchat
9:42:32 am ZaraLynnKing: Lazy senior managers also don;’t realize they too must practice what they preach #lrnchat
9:42:43 am virtualpioneer: Ha, so true! RT @trchandler: Q1) Its CYA insurance #lrnchat
9:42:53 am LnDDave: Hey #lrnchat! just popping in for the morning session before I hit a meeting. How is everyone?
9:42:54 am dawnjmahoney: Q1)or more correctly, the outcomes-good or bad-r #lrnchat
9:42:58 am LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Why is training so loved when it’s so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat
9:43:00 am bobzimel: Q1 People actually like focusing on themselves when they have a chance #lrnchat
9:43:01 am janehart: Q1) It’s just the way it’s always been done and few question its usefulness or effectiveness #lrnchat
9:43:13 am trchandler: Q1) Managers love training as the solution, because it means leadership is not the issue #lrnchat
9:43:16 am allthingsnoisy: q1. Training is backing evidence that you did something. It can be touted, insured, blamed. #lrnchat
9:43:23 am belowit: @dan_steer http://t.co/CZb9SjAk #lrnchat
9:43:24 am dan_steer: Q1) I see a lot of people that really appreciate the face-to-face connectivity that comes with training #lrnchat
9:43:24 am ZaraLynnKing: #lrnchat also science has not found a way to track the human experience
9:43:29 am amirelion: #lrnchat q1 we are all so used to it from infancy. Our education system from kindergarten to university is too much training
9:43:34 am LnDDave: Q1) I have a follow-up question… Loved by WHO? #lrnchat
9:43:42 am dawnjmahoney: @LnDDave Hey Dave! I’ve marked 3/1/12 on my calendar! #lrnchat
9:43:58 am onsSara: Q1) Why used even tho not best solution? …Paradigm that doing something is better than nothing. #lrnchat
9:44:02 am StephenWalker: @C4LPT @lrnchat there’s often a free lunch and it’s a chance to get out of the office #lrnchat
9:44:04 am LnDDave: RT @dawnjmahoney: @LnDDave Hey Dave! I’ve marked 3/1/12 on my calendar! #lrnchat << Great. Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.
9:44:10 am dan_steer: Q1) One of my clients uses training as “an excuse” to put people from across the world together #lrnchat
9:44:13 am ZaraLynnKing: RT @StephenWalker: @C4LPT @lrnchat there’s often a free lunch and it’s a chance to get out of the office #lrnchat
9:44:20 am dawnjmahoney: Q1)Some cultures foster training=solution instead of good coaching & perf mgt #lrnchat
9:44:35 am dawnjmahoney: RT @LnDDave: Q1) I have a follow-up question… Loved by WHO? #lrnchat
9:44:36 am karentriggs: RT @tonyplant: been helping charity think about using social learning for staff; been learning about their needs #lrnchat
9:44:42 am dan_steer: Q1) Its a retention tool for new joiners in a graduate-scheme. They compare to other companies and say “I got XX days of training” #lrnchat
9:44:49 am trchandler: Q1) it’s tough to argue against throwing training at a problem. It’s a feel good solution. #lrnchat
9:44:54 am LnDDave: Q1) I don’t think training is ‘loved’ so much as it is expected based on our expereinces from school. #lrnchat
9:44:56 am dawnjmahoney: @LnDDave Do you want them before then? #lrnchat
9:45:01 am lress: RT @ZaraLynnKing: RT @StephenWalker: @C4LPT @lrnchat theres often a free lunch and its a chance to get out of the office#lrnchat
9:45:16 am ZaraLynnKing: It is all the baby boomers fault…lol…they have not yet caught up with the shift in thinking and needs of the new generation#lrnchat
9:45:48 am dawnjmahoney: Q1)Training=place to practice & make mistakes w/out harm or breaking something #lrnchat
9:45:55 am bobzimel: Q1) @LnDDave, I think training IS loved when it produces great outcomes and great WIIFMs #lrnchat
9:46:04 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q1 Because by automatically saying “let’s do a course” we can to avoid questions that expose harder performance & structure issues
9:46:06 am trchandler: Q1) there’s also usually a placebo effect. Just holding a training session spikes a change in behavior. #lrnchat
9:46:12 am LnDDave: RT @bobzimel: Q1) @LnDDave, I think training IS loved when it produces great outcomes and great WIIFMs #lrnchat
9:46:13 am dawnjmahoney: @ZaraLynnKing Hi Zara! Love the new pic! #lrnchat
9:46:24 am janehart: @amirelion How often is that? #lrnchat
9:46:27 am awooler: Q0) AndyWooler from Brighton UK – 4 weeks into a new job I am learning all the time! #lrnchat
9:46:33 am dan_steer: In Belgium, unions + govemment created national obligations to train people 4 days in 2 years in order to invest in learning#lrnchat
9:46:50 am trchandler: @LnDDave good call. Training is loved by decision makers, not the participants. #lrnchat
9:46:55 am dawnjmahoney: RT @bobzimel: Q1) @LnDDave, I think training IS loved when it produces great outcomes and great WIIFMs #lrnchat
9:46:58 am ZaraLynnKing: old school thinkers that still can barely use a PC never mind a tablet don’t see need to foster emotional intelligence & coaching #lrnchat
9:47:03 am elearningguy: Q1) I think there’s an element of social conditioning. We see the “classroom” as the place to do something new. (1/2)#lrnchat
9:47:12 am scottmerrett: A1) because training is mistaken as learning and learning IS the solution #lrnchat
9:47:17 am dan_steer: Q1) …the only other learning initiative accepted by BelGov within the obligation framework (aside training) is eLearning #lrnchat
9:47:38 am elearningguy: Q1) We don’t often acknowledge the tacit learning & growth that happens day to day. (2/2) #lrnchat
9:47:45 am dan_steer: @janehart @amirelion TRY to avoid #lrnchat
9:47:50 am trchandler: RT @amirelion: #lrnchat Q1 Because by automatically saying “let’s do a course” we can to avoid questions that expose harder performance & structure issues
9:47:50 am ZaraLynnKing: We limit learning of all types and all ages by institutionalizing it. #lrnchat
9:47:50 am dawnjmahoney: Q1)Learning happens at diff rates of speed/safe env for learners #lrnchat
9:48:00 am tonyplant: Q1) certainly loved by those who like to measure tangible things when training = course/event #lrnchat
9:48:23 am dan_steer: @trchandler Not JUST holding a training… Key ingredients still required: eg Double Loop Learning + Peer/Group Dynamics#lrnchat
9:48:28 am trchandler: Well said RT @scottmerrett: A1) because training is mistaken as learning and learning IS the solution #lrnchat
9:48:36 am ZaraLynnKing: RT @trchandler: Well said RT @scottmerrett: A1) because training is mistaken as learning and learning IS the solution#lrnchat
9:48:40 am virtualpioneer: virtual provides for this. RT @dawnjmahoney: Q1)Learning happens at diff rates of speed/safe env for learners #lrnchat
9:48:47 am weblearning: #lrnchat It’s the tea and cakes and goodies that people love. Not the training.
9:48:57 am dan_steer: RT @scottmerrett: A1) because training is mistaken as learning and learning IS the solution #lrnchat
9:49:16 am elearningguy: @stephenwalker Yes….also seen as the goal, rather than a milestone. #lrnchat
9:49:16 am kevinmulryne: @C4LPT Because it’s cheap and obvious. #lrnchat
9:49:23 am dawnjmahoney: @virtualpioneer right. So does f2f #lrnchat
9:49:29 am ZaraLynnKing: why can’t we think of our jobs as communicators not trainers? #lrnchat
9:49:29 am LnDDave: Q1) I think orgs need to be educated that training is but one of a number of performance support options. #lrnchat
9:49:34 am allthingsnoisy: @ZaraLynnKing As my dad used to say, “don’t confuse your education with your schooling”. #lrnchat
9:49:36 am bobzimel: Q1) Training is loved because we can tweet about it and people like me care (LOL sortof) #lrnchat
9:49:37 am onsSara: RT@trchandler: Well said RT @scottmerrett: A1) because training is mistaken as learning and learning IS the solution #lrnchat
9:49:45 am LnDDave: RT @kevinmulryne: @C4LPT Because it’s cheap and obvious. #lrnchat << Obvious yes… but not always cheap.
9:49:50 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q1 trying to be positive: I love training when it asks real questions and offers real dialog and tools
9:50:06 am C4LPT: @kevinmulryne Is it really cheap? I think it’s quite costly #lrnchat
9:50:13 am LnDDave: RT @C4LPT: @kevinmulryne Is it really cheap? I think it’s quite costly #lrnchat
9:50:13 am dawnjmahoney: We can-convince othrs! RT @ZaraLynnKing: why cant we think of our jobs as communicators not trainers? #lrnchat
9:50:32 am dawnjmahoney: agree! RT @LnDDave: RT @kevinmulryne: @C4LPT Because its cheap and obvious. #lrnchat << Obvious yes… but not always cheap. #lrnchat
9:51:01 am ZaraLynnKing: I love supportive communication >>>>@amirelion I love training when it asks real questions and offers real dialog and tools#lrnchat
9:51:07 am virtualpioneer: @dawnjmahoney with travel restrictions these days F2F needs alternatives #lrnchat
9:51:11 am janehart: Q1) So if we know the reasons why training is not a good thing, why do we still do it? #lrnchat
9:51:23 am bobzimel: Even more costly when it is need but not done well>>RT@LnDDave:RT @C4LPT: @kevinmulryne Is it really cheap?I think its quite costly #lrnchat
9:51:25 am trchandler: @dan_steer no doubt those elements improve results, but even just brief focus can cause a short-lived change in behavior/results #lrnchat
9:51:47 am c_clavin: Q1: training is “rarely the best solution”-really? Interesting way to phrase this question. Is this what we want to perpetuate?#lrnchat
9:51:59 am dan_steer: RT @amirelion: #lrnchat Q1 trying to be positive: I love training when it asks real questions and offers real dialog and tools
9:52:05 am tonyplant: Q1) because there are times when training is the right thing to do and saves lives (e.g. armed forces) #lrnchat
9:52:12 am EmmanuelleEN: Q1) Training's side effect is to develop one's social capital. #lrnchat
9:52:24 am chet_stevenson: RT @lrnchat: Q0. We begin w/ the weekly #lrnchat welcome: Introduce yourself. Where are you from? What have you learned this week?
9:52:24 am ZaraLynnKing: the other day i was informed we needed a program on ergonomics and it was going to have to be long…WHY long?#lrnchat.
9:52:44 am AjayPangarkar: Q1) #lrnchat …I disagree, training is not loved by those external to it
9:52:52 am LnDDave: Q1) I really think training is loved because of a combination of inertia and fear. We need to be considering all options. #lrnchat
9:52:56 am dawnjmahoney: @virtualpioneer no argument/f2f not always needed/sometimes only option/virtual gr8 for a lot! #lrnchat
9:53:04 am dan_steer: @trchandler Agree / So I suppose the real Q = why use training and not something else (which is where the chat is headed..)#lrnchat
9:53:06 am chet_stevenson: Q0) Chester Stevenson, Columbia Missouri, Trainer/Instructional Designer #lrnchat
9:53:07 am kevinmulryne: @C4LPT Cheap when the trainers are talented internal folk doing it as part of their specialist role #lrnchat
9:53:15 am chet_stevenson: RT @lrnchat: Q1. Why is training so loved when it’s so rarely the best solution? #lrnchat
9:53:18 am elearningguy: @allthingsnoisy @ZaraLynnKing But we should be narrowing that gap, no? #lrnchat
9:53:23 am moehlert: @krcraft @MeghanMBiro #socbizchat #TChat #lrnchat Hard to pin down in few characters..may have to blog abt xroads of talent, lrng & socbiz
9:53:24 am dawnjmahoney: Me too! RT@amirelion I love training when it asks real questions and offers real dialog and tools #lrnchat
9:53:25 am awooler: Q1) I hope any surgeon who works on me has indeed been trained rather than learning socially! It’s hourses for courses (intended!) #lrnchat
9:53:37 am AjayPangarkar: Rarely is traning the first thought for management #lrnchat
9:53:38 am LnDDave: Q1) FYI… I’m not anti-training; I’m anti-training-as-the-default-solution. #lrnchat
9:53:47 am dawnjmahoney: @ZaraLynnKing Did they explain “long”? #lrnchat
9:54:13 am trchandler: @dan_steer exactly. Those other elements are much less tangible, but usually more effective. #lrnchat
9:54:17 am elearningguy: @lnddave @C4LPT @kevinmulryne Dave, didn’t you and I see some metrics about costs a while back? #lrnchat
9:54:19 am dan_steer: RT @LnDDave: Q1) FYI… I’m not anti-training; I’m anti-training-as-the-default-solution. #lrnchat
9:54:23 am LnDDave: RT @kevinmulryne: Cheap when the trainers are talented internal folk doing it as part of their role #lrnchat < Time is still money.
9:54:27 am dawnjmahoney: Some orgs/not all RT @AjayPangarkar: Rarely is traning the first thought for management #lrnchat
9:54:35 am trchandler: Yeah, what he said RT @LnDDave: Q1) FYI… Im not anti-training; Im anti-training-as-the-default-solution. #lrnchat
9:54:47 am ZaraLynnKing: I hope so. I work at trucking company has a ton of old school learners and workers. Many for inception 50 yrs ago @elearningguy #lrnchat
9:54:56 am tonyplant: @ZaraLynnKing yes indeed, I spend a lot of time communicating/facilitating supporting others to learn #lrnchat
9:55:00 am dawnjmahoney: @awooler My earlier pt/need “safe” place for practice #lrnchat
9:55:02 am lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:55:13 am AjayPangarkar: I am not anti-training either…but I am a realist and guide training pros with tough love #lrnchat
9:55:15 am elearningguy: Q1) Maybe we need to start saying “training is what you do to puppies using newspaper”? #lrnchat
9:55:22 am LnDDave: Q1) Want to see how much training is loved? Check the transcript for last night’s discussion about Compliance Training. #lrnchat
9:55:24 am ZaraLynnKing: @dawnjmahoney they mean it need to be detailed and give all the BS no one cares about… #lrnchat
9:55:29 am LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:55:33 am lress: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:55:34 am C4LPT: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:55:34 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:55:34 am chet_stevenson: Q1) I thnk there’s a stigma out there that if people R not prforming to standard, it’s because they don’t know what they are doing. #lrnchat
9:55:42 am allthingsnoisy: My team works hard to make it a primary thought. RT @AjayPangarkar: Rarely is traning the first thought for management#lrnchat
9:55:57 am onsSara: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:56:10 am trchandler: Moving on RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:56:13 am kelly_smith01: RT @dan_steer: RT @LnDDave: Q1) FYI… I’m not anti-training; I’m anti-training-as-the-default-solution. #lrnchat
9:56:31 am dawnjmahoney: @ZaraLynnKing Ah… so they dictate the amt of time it takes? Curiouser&curiouser #lrnchat
9:56:36 am chet_stevenson: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:56:39 am bobzimel: Q2) Always relevant when done effectively! Know ur audience, learning styles, yourself,then train away! #lrnchat
9:56:49 am kelly_smith01: RT @chet_stevenson: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:57:04 am dan_steer: Q2) Putting people in training rooms can be relevant for many reasosn, eg: giving them a chance to bitch+moan about a recent change #lrnchat
9:57:04 am c_clavin: Q1: we as L&D leaders need 2 move people away from notion that trg is the “soft” side of biz & be seen as strategic biz partners#lrnchat
9:57:26 am chet_stevenson: Q2) Training is appropriate when there is a lack of Knowledge and/or Skill… Sometimes Awareness. #lrnchat
9:57:28 am MarkMiyashita: RT @rkiker: Global Digital Citizen—The Role of the Teacher http://t.co/CVAifm8r #edchat #palisd #lrnchat
9:57:29 am elearningguy: Q2) Perhaps for ongoing proficiency and maintenance of skills in higher risk environments, I would think Yes, e.g. Pilots, Doctors #lrnchat
9:57:30 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q2 I think training can be an effective PART of good learning solution blend. Just need to use it utilizing it’s relative strengths
9:57:33 am ZaraLynnKing: I’m a huge fan of Orientation or New Hire Training. send right message to the right ppl to begin a mind set for the work enviroment #lrnchat
9:57:47 am bobzimel: Q2) Don’t train people that a job aid; do train people that need to learn to change behavior #lrnchat
9:57:54 am onsSara: Q2) Relevent & necessary? Yes, esp when it’s continuing ed combined with practical #lrnchat
9:57:58 am lress: Q2) Training is necessary when people have to learn how to do something – not when they don’t know why they should do something#lrnchat
9:57:59 am StephenWalker: @awooler surgeons’ training is done in a meaningful context, which is what makes it useful – a lot of work based training isn’t #lrnchat
9:58:00 am c_clavin: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
9:58:22 am dawnjmahoney: q2)Learning complex processes/systems-practice & layered learning r needed #lrnchat
9:58:23 am LnDDave: Q2) There are times when training is necessary: when providing support within the work isn’t an option. #lrnchat
9:58:28 am dan_steer: So, a learning answer … Q2) Training environment is better than some solutions for feedback giving and “peer-sharing”#lrnchat
9:58:35 am elearningguy: Q2) I’m lucky in working for the RCAF that I don’t have to sell the value of trg, either new, or ongoing. #lrnchat
9:58:37 am scottmerrett: A2) Safety training? #lrnchat
9:58:38 am bobzimel: Q2) This Q to us WLP’s is like asking an athlete whether drinking water is a good idea #lrnchat
9:58:50 am harmonygritz: Mentor, monitor, mediator: RT @CourtneyHanes: Global Digital Citizen—The Role of the Teacher http://t.co/RrLP9hE9#lrnchat RT @rkiker
9:59:08 am dawnjmahoney: Q2)Working thru “real life” situations w/out needed the “real life” to learn from #lrnchat
9:59:11 am JaneBozarth: @c_clavin delivering hours of irrelevant compliance training does not support the idea that we are strategic biz partners#lrnchat
9:59:17 am ZaraLynnKing: To me “formal training” is about outlining expectations & accountability. It is needed. From there it about fostering good behavior #lrnchat
9:59:29 am onsSara: RT@elearningguy:Q2) Perhaps for ongoing proficiency and maintenance of skills in …, e.g. Pilots, Doctors<< yes & onc nurses!#lrnchat
9:59:34 am dan_steer: @ZaraLynnKing I like onboarding solutions where there isn’t really training, but learning opportunities in the actual environment#lrnchat
9:59:48 am tonyplant: Q2) when procedures/process is important training is needed. I want my pilot trained and know when to use learning from experience #lrnchat
9:59:55 am hjarche: training is relavant & necessary when there’s clear lack of skills/knowledge & practice/feedback can be provided to develop skills#lrnchat
9:59:57 am dan_steer: @amirelion So what are the relative strengths? #lrnchat
9:59:58 am kelly_smith01: Q2) Performance short of a exemplary level may require training or may need performance support or job redesign -#lrnchat
10:00:04 am ZaraLynnKing: Safety Training does not need to be formal training. RT @scottmerrett: A2) Safety training? #lrnchat
10:00:09 am elearningguy: @c_clavin As I said to a colleague yesterday, it has to be seen as a cost of doing business instead of a grudgingly necessary evil #lrnchat
10:00:15 am learnchamp: Q2 Training is relevant in a lot of cases – but it is also not the right solution in even more cases #lrnchat
10:00:18 am amirelion: @ZaraLynnKing #lrnchat problem is many times orientation training can be organized weeks after start of work
10:00:33 am EdReformPR: “At Risk” students reportedly “AMPED” for increased testing, saying, “The status quo wasn’t mind numbing enough.”#edreform #edchat #lrnchat
10:00:38 am ZaraLynnKing: #lrnchat poop i have a meeting… creating Onboarding training
10:00:56 am allthingsnoisy: q2. Training is necessary when a thorough analysis shows gaps. It’s relevant when that gap is filled or exceeded. #lrnchat
10:01:08 am J_Haag: @lrnchat Training is relevant if you satisfy the objective & learn something. It is only sometimes necessary, more often mandatory. #lrnchat
10:01:15 am dawnjmahoney: We do quarterly! RT@ZaraLynnKing #lrnchat problem is many times orientation training can be organized weeks after start of work #lrnchat
10:01:26 am kelly_smith01: New tasks, new jobs or new employees may require training or may need performance support. #lrnchat
10:01:29 am dawnjmahoney: @ZaraLynnKing how ironic! #lrnchat
10:01:36 am hjarche: How to decide if training should even be considered http://t.co/lCnYSOKq #lrnchat
10:01:42 am janehart: Q1) Training works best when there is a high level of task standardization and little task variety #lrnchat
10:01:53 am dawnjmahoney: RT@c_clavin delivering hours of irrelevant compliance training does not support the idea that we are strategic biz partners #lrnchat
10:01:55 am tonyplant: Q2) more effective training on financial compliance certainly a big focus at the moment #lrnchat
10:02:04 am LnDDave: @bobzimel I’m not sure I agree about athletes/water. Sometimes Trainers need to recognize that training isn’t the answer.#lrnchat
10:02:18 am dawnjmahoney: @c_clavin Room for both–why/why not? #lrnchat
10:02:33 am dan_steer: @dan_steer @ZaraLynnKing Other ideas on the goals of onboarding + some approachs http://t.co/5HRUKS7y from recent roun-table #lrnchat
10:02:38 am FaizanAM: Q2. Training begins with a need, fous on fulfilling that need and the training will always be relevant and necessary #lrnchat
10:02:42 am LnDDave: RT @hjarche: training is necessary when there’s clear lack of skills/knowledge & practice/feedback can be provided to develop#lrnchat
10:02:43 am thelaurenklein: RT @C4LPT: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
10:02:56 am learnchamp: Q2 Train people (create awareness) to be open-minded towards informal learning supported by great new applications#lrnchat
10:02:59 am LnDDave: RT @learnchamp: Q2 Training is relevant in a lot of cases – but it is also not the right solution in even more cases #lrnchat
10:03:08 am c_clavin: @JaneBozarth agreed, but when we act as strat biz partners we can find ways to meet biz needs, drive biz results & engage learners #lrnchat
10:03:11 am LnDDave: RT @janehart: Q1) Training works best when there is a high level of task standardization and little task variety #lrnchat
10:03:12 am learnchamp: RT @kelly_smith01: New tasks, new jobs or new employees may require training or may need performance support.#lrnchat
10:03:24 am ZaraLynnKing: @scottmerrett no way. i refer to formal as class room. why not get physical in the field. no better way then to show and do#lrnchat
10:03:30 am kelly_smith01: People of planet earth – training is not the only way to improve performance or introduce new tasks. #lrnchat
10:03:49 am LnDDave: RT @tonyplant: Q2) more effective training on financial compliance certainly a big focus at the moment #lrnchat < More focus on check-boxes?
10:03:53 am dan_steer: @LnDDave @bobzimel Reminds me of a scene from “The Guardian” http://t.co/fr6da5PZ #lrnchat
10:04:07 am amirelion: @dan_steer #lrnchat training strength 1 – an expert is there and if s/he is a good trainer he can help novices get an initial framework
10:04:23 am bobzimel: Training is not ALWAYS relevant, but that was not the Q>>RT @LnDDave: … Trainers need to recognize that training isnt the answer. #lrnchat
10:04:49 am janehart: @FaizanAM But the need may well be better fulfilled by a solution other than training #lrnchat
10:04:53 am learnchamp: RT @lrnchat: Q0. We begin w/ the weekly #lrnchat welcome: Introduce yourself. Where are you from? What have you learned this week?
10:05:05 am scottmerrett: @ZaraLynnKing ah, that’s formal to me #disambiguation #lrnchat
10:05:06 am weblearning: Q2) Not all training will be relevant at the time it is delivered. Particular circumstances may make it important. #lrnchat
10:05:10 am LnDDave: Q1) I think our field addresses relevance well; whether or not it’s always necessary is a growth opportunity. #lrnchat
10:05:12 am tonyplant: @JaneBozarth @c_clavin agree, need to ensure any training highly relevant and attendees get what’s in it for them/the organisation #lrnchat
10:05:22 am C_More_Zebras: Training: when ‘on the job’ is to late to practice – regardless if the task is standardized #lrnchat
10:05:38 am elearningguy: Q2) But how often is “training” used as a diversion from management/leadership failures? #lrnchat
10:05:48 am kelly_smith01: Can you imagine if marketing or other business areas had such restricted solutions as the training department seems to have. #lrnchat
10:05:49 am cyberspacemike: RT @hjarche: How to decide if training should even be considered http://t.co/lCnYSOKq #lrnchat
10:06:14 am bobzimel: Q2) @LnDDave Q was EVERY and it is often relevant …Training is not ALWAYS relevant, but that was not the Q …athlelete/water… #lrnchat
10:06:37 am dan_steer: RT @amirelion: @dan_steer #lrnchat training strength 1 – an expert is there and if s/he is a good trainer he can help novices get an initial framework
10:06:40 am FaizanAM: RT @janehart: @FaizanAM But the need may well be better fulfilled by a solution other than training #lrnchat
10:06:41 am amirelion: #lrnchat training strength 2 – having ppl in the room can be good for building informal relationship. Have them learn together
10:06:47 am dawnjmahoney: AgreeRT @LnDDave: Q1) I think our field addresses relevance well; whether or not its always necessary is a growth opportunity. #lrnchat
10:06:52 am learnchamp: Q2 Same “old” question… Like the question a few years ago if eLearning should replace face-to-face training – wrong question #lrnchat
10:06:55 am kelly_smith01: RT @elearningguy: Q2) But how often is “training” used as a diversion from management/leadership failures? #lrnchat
10:07:42 am LnDDave: Hmm… Tweetdeck seems slow. I’m getting notifications on my phone a good minute or two before I see it in Tweetdeck.#lrnchat
10:07:59 am LnDDave: RT @hjarche: How to decide if training should even be considered http://t.co/lCnYSOKq #lrnchat
10:08:02 am dawnjmahoney: Q2)We need to get better at analyzing b4 proposing solns #lrnchat
10:08:06 am tonyplant: @LnDDave if org culture is tick-box good, yes; if culture is lets work smarter, be efficient, have return customers who like us, no #lrnchat
10:08:31 am KathyJeep: RT @lrnchat: Q2. Is training ever relevant and necessary? If so, when? #lrnchat
10:08:36 am dawnjmahoney: RT @LnDDave: RT @hjarche: How to decide if training should even be considered http://t.co/TFMkb6ed #lrnchat
10:09:10 am KathyJeep: Listening in on #lrnchat a little this morning.
10:09:13 am hjarche: too often, training industry & departments are just pill-pushers http://t.co/5a9gAHEe #lrnchat when all you have is a hammer …
10:09:18 am LnDDave: @bobzimel True. I just see plenty of trainers that are more interested in what they want to do than what the org needs. #lrnchat
10:10:02 am kelly_smith01: If we keep thinking of training solutions then we might as well sell B&W TV sets and filmstrip projectors. #lrnchat
10:10:18 am lrnchat: Q3. Think of something you train on now. What would a meaningful alternative look like? #lrnchat
10:10:29 am KathyJeep: RT @C_More_Zebras: Training: when ‘on the job’ is to late to practice – regardless if the task is standardized #lrnchat
10:10:51 am janehart: Q2) @dawnjmahoney Performance consulting – not just training needs analysis #lrnchat
10:11:13 am elearningguy: @dawnjmahoney Q2) I think we also need to be better at selling the right solution, not just what Mgmt thinks they want.#lrnchat #pipedream
10:11:13 am JaneBozarth: @elainewalton @elearningguy @cfdurauk … and in the traditional classroom we tell them when they can go to the bathroom. #lrnchat
10:11:14 am kelly_smith01: RT @hjarche: too often, training industry & deps… are just pill-pushers http://t.co/kHmZnsaI #lrnchat
10:11:54 am amirelion: #lrnchat feeling a bit like we all chose an easy target to bash at…training
10:12:04 am trchandler: Next up RT @lrnchat: Q3. Think of something you train on now. What would a meaningful alternative look like? #lrnchat
10:12:18 am ccbranham: RT @hjarche: too often, training industry & departments are just pill-pushers http://t.co/5a9gAHEe #lrnchat when all you have is a hammer …
10:12:19 am BenjaminMcCall: “All that’s valuable in human society depends upon the opportunity for development accorded the individual”~Albert Einstein #lrnchat
10:12:20 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Think of something you train on now. What would a meaningful alternative look like? #lrnchat
10:12:31 am onsSara: RT @lrnchat Q3. Think of something you train on now. What would a meaningful alternative look like? #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:12:39 am C4LPT: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Think of something you train on now. What would a meaningful alternative look like? #lrnchat
10:12:39 am LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Think of something you train on now. What would a meaningful alternative look like? #lrnchat
10:12:40 am learnchamp: Q3 Instead of mostly formal training for our professional services team we let them “shadow” more experienced consultants#lrnchat
10:12:47 am techherding: “Training” isn’t what people want. “Skills” or “sales” or “less breakage” or “Bob not offending women” are what people want.#lrnchat
10:13:01 am tonyplant: @hjarche yes, we can get dogmatic/complacent in training, as happens in other activities when we lose drive/curiosity to change #lrnchat
10:13:17 am dawnjmahoney: agree! RT @janehart: Q2) @dawnjmahoney Performance consulting – not just training needs analysis #lrnchat
10:13:36 am dawnjmahoney: @techherding Just thinking about u-wondering if you wd join the fun! #lrnchat
10:13:37 am weblearning: Anyone seen human capital analytics? Their metrics study “Human Capital ROI ratio” & “return on Human Capital Investment” #lrnchat
10:13:44 am JaneBozarth: Q3 . as often as not, a facebook group for sharing and discussion #lrnchat
10:13:49 am bobzimel: OK I m w/ u disappointingly>>RT@LnDDave plenty of trainers … interested …they want … rather than what the org needs.#lrnchat #lrnchat
10:13:51 am ZaraLynnKing: @amirelion But we are all in training…ironic #lrnchat
10:14:04 am learnchamp: Q3 And we use a wiki to document and comment on learnings along the way #lrnchat
10:14:16 am learnchamp: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Think of something you train on now. What would a meaningful alternative look like? #lrnchat
10:14:48 am ZaraLynnKing: meaningful alternatives look like time and money to do it right the first time and have preventative action rather than reactive #lrnchat
10:14:52 am LnDDave: Q3) Something that allows them to get the support they need without stopping their work. #lrnchat
10:15:19 am bobzimel: Q3) Meaningful alternative … shadowing a person and coaching them #lrnchat
10:15:22 am AndyKons: Q3. A community of practice supported through a private social network. #lrnchat
10:15:33 am dan_steer: @kelly_smith01 Here’s a formal social-learning example for corporate use http://t.co/W8QKa80u #lrnchat
10:15:34 am learnchamp: Q3 And we use social networking tools like @Yammer to get conversation going and to connect with experts #lrnchat
10:15:41 am lress: Q3) It is not a question of the tools (wiki or facebook) but to engage people to communicate and share #lrnchat
10:15:59 am FaizanAM: @janehart Completely agree. In my experience, training often loses its relevance when its scope exceeds the need. #lrnchat
10:16:01 am kelly_smith01: RT @dawnjmahoney: agree! RT @janehart: Q2) @dawnjmahoney Performance consulting – not just training needs analysis #lrnchat
10:16:10 am ZaraLynnKing: @scottmerrett in my land there is an elearning solution to everything and as the elearning ID i am not convinced. #lrnchat
10:16:12 am learnchamp: RT @lress: Q3) It is not a question of the tools (wiki or facebook) but to engage people to communicate and share #lrnchat
10:16:27 am JaneBozarth: @weblearning Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/4shgcb3c #lrnchat
10:16:31 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q3 I have a good post on that…but it’s in Hebrew…
10:16:42 am BrightTweet: #lrnchat Q3: We’ve been looking at e-mosaics, which blends a variety of media types to provide user-centric learninghttp://t.co/tGKvrLLj
10:16:42 am kevinmulryne: Q3 What ever happened to ‘expert systems’? Motivate to find answers for themselves… #lrnchat
10:17:00 am hjarche: when learning is the work, training becomes a minor character on the organizational performance stage http://t.co/RkTMkP27#lrnchat
10:17:03 am ZaraLynnKing: RT @lrnchat: Q3. Think of something you train on now. What would a meaningful alternative look like? #lrnchat
10:17:21 am kelly_smith01: RT @LnDDave: Q3) Something that allows them to get the support they need without stopping their work. #lrnchat
10:17:33 am elearningguy: Q3) I’d like to sustain more f2f efforts with post workshop/activity discussion. Move to something like a Community of Practice #lrnchat
10:18:31 am kelly_smith01: Not having a course catalog with defined path. #lrnchat
10:18:32 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q3 alternative 4 me would usually include a blend w/ various solutions & division of responsibilities btwn learner manager sme…
10:18:44 am awooler: to extend @LnDDave Q3) something that allows them to get support as PART of their work #lrnchat
10:18:50 am dawnjmahoney: Q3)Anyting that begs learners to use & apply critical thinking #lrnchat
10:19:07 am KathyJeep: RT @LnDDave: Q3) Something that allows them to get the support they need without stopping their work. #lrnchat
10:19:53 am learnchamp: RT @amirelion: #lrnchat Q3 alternative 4 me would usually include a blend w/ various solutions & division of responsibilities btwn learner manager sme…
10:19:53 am J_Haag: Here’s my question relating to training on #lrnchat is “how do we make mandatory & compliance training feel less forced upon?”
10:19:54 am SesanBass: RT @BrightTweet: #lrnchat Q3: We’ve been looking at e-mosaics, which blends a variety of media types to provide user-centric learning http://t.co/tGKvrLLj
10:19:55 am trchandler: Yes. Provide destination and map and let learners drive. RT @kelly_smith01: Not having a course catalog with defined path.#lrnchat
10:20:16 am LnDDave: Q3) True Blended Learning, which is different than the Blended Training we call Blended Learning today. #lrnchat
10:20:18 am lress: Q3) Help and support people to connect and exchange their ideas – free and open #lrnchat
10:20:46 am janehart: Q3) It depends on what is to be achieved – if continuous learning is involved then this needs to be supported in the workflow#lrnchat
10:20:46 am learnchamp: RT @LnDDave: Q3) True Blended Learning, which is different than the Blended Training we call Blended Learning today.#lrnchat
10:20:57 am KathyJeep: Q3) I’d rather spend more time helping people help themselves.. would make training itself more meaningful #lrnchat
10:21:12 am kevinmulryne: RT @lress: Q3) Help and support people to connect and exchange their ideas – free and open #lrnchat
10:21:19 am weblearning: @JaneBozarth Aha the formula at last. My trainer in HC analytics told me that the formula she used was proprietory#lrnchat
10:21:21 am ZaraLynnKing: We have to assume ppl know basically how to do their job. if not they need training. The rest is support and performace adjustment #lrnchat
10:21:43 am hjarche: mandatory training would be much more accepted if it wasn’t, you know; mandatory #lrnchat
10:22:02 am weblearning: Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/18Fk3cnL #lrnchat via @JaneBozarth
10:22:02 am bobzimel: LOL rainbow @JaneBozarth Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/1q3CMqSB #lrnchat
10:22:13 am FaizanAM: Q3. A comm of users sharing & vetting their knowledge/expertise rather than a monolithic course thats outdated before its released #lrnchat
10:22:30 am dawnjmahoney: EZ 4 u to typeRT @LnDDave: Q3) True Blended Learning, which is different than the Blended Training we call Blended Learning today. #lrnchat
10:22:43 am learnchamp: @J_Haag That is not that difficult in case the client / project owner would be open to allow a new approach #lrnchat
10:22:44 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lress: RT @trchandler Yes. Provide destination and map and let learners drive. #lrnchat
10:22:47 am kevinmulryne: RT @hjarche: mandatory training would be much more accepted if it wasn’t, you know; mandatory #lrnchat -> LOL
10:22:55 am dawnjmahoney: RT @kevinmulryne: RT @lress: Q3) Help and support people to connect and exchange their ideas – free and open#lrnchat
10:22:59 am awooler: @J_Haag getting rid of the regulators would go a long way to achieve that! Their desire for ticked boxes often determines how#lrnchat
10:23:03 am LT12uk: RT @BrightTweet: #lrnchat Q3: We’ve been looking at e-mosaics, which blends a variety of media types to provide user-centric learning http://t.co/tGKvrLLj
10:23:07 am kelly_smith01: RT @trchandler: Yes. Provide destination and map and let learners drive. —— Not having a course catalog with defined path. #lrnchat
10:23:11 am amirelion: @ZaraLynnKing #lrnchat also sometimes need to lead change in ppl attitudes
10:23:16 am trchandler: Learner desire essential element RT @hjarche: mandatory training would be much more accepted if it wasnt, you know; mandatory #lrnchat
10:23:45 am dawnjmahoney: Isn’t every day’s work (& life) continuous learning on some level? #lrnchat
10:23:46 am JaneBozarth: @bobzimel @weblearning Dave made me take out the unicorns. #lrnchat
10:23:58 am hjarche: RT @JaneBozarth: @weblearning Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/4shgcb3c #lrnchat
10:24:42 am LnDDave: Q3) Less pushing of content and more building of connections. #lrnchat
10:24:53 am kelly_smith01: RT @dawnjmahoney: RT @kevinmulryne: RT @lress: Q3) Help and support people to connect and exchange their ideas – free and open #lrnchat
10:25:03 am lrnchat: Q4. Why do we con’t to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems? #lrnchat
10:25:25 am ccbranham: RT @JaneBozarth: @weblearning Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/4shgcb3c#lrnchat
10:25:36 am kelly_smith01: RT @hjarche: mandatory training would be much more accepted if it wasn’t, you know; mandatory #lrnchat
10:25:40 am bobzimel: If PHENOMENAL it might not need to b “mandatory”>>RT@hjarche: mandatory training…much more accepted if it wasn’t…mandatory #lrnchat
10:25:43 am C4LPT: Q3) “Collaborative working and collaborative learning are in a symbiotic relationship” http://t.co/4h0sGoFY #lrnchat
10:25:44 am KathyJeep: @FaizanAM “rather than a monolithic course thats outdated before its released” > aways outdated almost immediately#lrnchat
10:25:49 am chet_stevenson: RT @lrnchat: Q4. Why do we cont to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems? #lrnchat
10:25:54 am Dave_Ferguson: -@LnDDave Calling something ‘blended’ doesn’t make it ‘learning’ any more than naming a cat Rover makes her a dog.#lrnchat
10:25:57 am LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q4. Why do we cont to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems?#lrnchat
10:25:58 am trchandler: Last lap RT @lrnchat: Q4. Why do we cont to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems? #lrnchat
10:26:02 am dawnjmahoney: Aw put em in, please? RT @JaneBozarth: @bobzimel @weblearning Dave made me take out the unicorns. #lrnchat
10:26:08 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lrnchat: Q4. Why do we cont to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems? #lrnchat
10:26:15 am trchandler: Q4) see answers for Q1 #lrnchat
10:26:18 am techherding: So when you say “mandatory” @hjarche — are you talking about learner attendance or my payment for developing it?#lrnchat
10:26:22 am LnDDave: RT @Dave_Ferguson: -@LnDDave Calling something blended doesnt make it learning any more than naming a cat Rover makes her a dog. #lrnchat
10:26:22 am mergershark: RT @learnchamp: Q3 And we use social networking tools like @Yammer to get conversation going and to connect with experts #lrnchat
10:26:22 am KathyJeep: RT @lrnchat: Q4. Why do we con’t to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems? #lrnchat
10:26:23 am learnchamp: Q3 Question would be if it is mandatory “information” – tick the box if you read it – or if there is actually a training need#lrnchat
10:26:25 am kelly_smith01: RT @LnDDave: Q3) Less pushing of content and more building of connections. #lrnchat
10:26:32 am J_Haag: Q3. Training is often forced unless learning a new skill. Learning is fun! To make training fun is the alternative. #lrnchat
10:26:34 am learnchamp: RT @lrnchat: Q4. Why do we con’t to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems? #lrnchat
10:26:42 am chet_stevenson: Q4) I think there’s a lack of knowledge & Skill within our own industry – on when and how to improve performance.#lrnchat
10:26:51 am janoallen: @lrnchat Q4 We are asked for training, because it’s easy for the org. Coaching, accountability & chg mgmt are very hard work.#lrnchat
10:27:09 am jesschaikowsky: Interesting discussions on training and the like happening now at #lrnchat. Check it out!
10:27:10 am C4LPT: RT @JaneBozarth: Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/3fQvNdGg #lrnchat
10:27:19 am LnDDave: Q4) “Because that’s the way we’ve always done it here.” #lrnchat
10:27:22 am lress: RT @lrnchat: Q4. Why do we con’t to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems?#lrnchat
10:27:26 am C4LPT: RT @lrnchat: Q4. Why do we con’t to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems?#lrnchat
10:27:29 am JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson Calling something blended doesn’t make it learning any more than naming a cat Rover makes her a dog. #lrnchat
10:27:30 am aureamemotech: RT @C4LPT: RT @JaneBozarth: Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/3fQvNdGg#lrnchat
10:27:51 am JaneBozarth: Someone remind me to give @dave_ferguson a raise. #lrnchat
10:27:52 am bobzimel: Speak 4 urself @lrnchat A lot of us on the chat do; it is the “others” that don’t Q4)Why do we con’t to develop training ? #lrnchat
10:27:53 am daniellynds: RT @JaneBozarth: @weblearning Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/CDoPxTky#lrnchat #awesome
10:27:53 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q4 I try not to continue doing so…LOL
10:27:54 am hjarche: @techherding I would always consider the requirement for you to be paid as mandatory (keeps the goons from busting knee-caps too) #lrnchat
10:28:01 am learnchamp: @chet_stevenson Maybe true – but often it is also a lack of knowledge on the client side – it is our job to educate them#lrnchat
10:28:03 am LnDDave: Meeting time #lrnchat. Thanks for a great chat. Looking forward to reading the remaining transcript. #lrnchat
10:28:10 am elearningguy: Sorry, #lrnchat, got called away to help a colleague.
10:28:19 am LnDDave: RT @JaneBozarth: Someone remind me to give @dave_ferguson a raise. #lrnchat
10:28:21 am learnchamp: RT @LnDDave: Q4) “Because that’s the way we’ve always done it here.” #lrnchat
10:28:31 am lress: RT @C4LPT: RT @JaneBozarth: Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/3fQvNdGg #lrnchat
10:28:41 am sukainaw: Q4. Bcoz we don’t know what we don’t know so training is the ‘answer’ #lrnchat
10:28:43 am KathyJeep: Q4) B/c mgmt sees training as an event and makes time for it. Other solutions = more discrete = less dedicated time #lrnchat
10:28:47 am MikeCollins007: A4. Training is highly visible, a quick fix, tick box, going through the motions rather than the harder route cause problem solve #lrnchat
10:29:08 am kelly_smith01: Q4) Preserving careers, playing defined role in org. chart, not rocking the boat, producing a product not a solution.#lrnchat
10:29:18 am bobzimel: @lrnchat How long does this chat continue? T/Y #lrnchat
10:29:24 am elearningguy: Q4) because we have to satisfy the customer (learner), the client (requestor), and the purchaser ($$$). Whose say-so wins? #lrnchat
10:29:32 am dawnjmahoney: @LnDDave – Enjoy! Hope it is on dev training! :-) #lrnchat
10:29:37 am learnchamp: Q4 Because it is not so easy and convenient to come up with something new and better – especially if no one pushes you#lrnchat
10:29:43 am weblearning: @JaneBozarth They use formula to quantify the impact of training on sectors. e.g if ROI is low for sales training, don’t train them #lrnchat
10:29:48 am AnnaRBrotzel: RT @lrnchat: Q4. Why do we con’t to develop training rather than more effective solutions to overcome performance problems? #lrnchat
10:30:10 am kelly_smith01: RT @Dave_Ferguson: -@LnDDave Calling it ‘blended’ doesn’t make it ‘learning’ any more than naming a cat Rover makes her a dog. #lrnchat
10:30:22 am chet_stevenson: @learnchamp Yes, if the client blatantly refuses to listen then you’ve gatta do what you’ve gatta do. #lrnchat
10:30:25 am trchandler: Q4) it’s a much easier sell than more flexible learner led solutions #lrnchat
10:30:38 am AndyKons: Q4. Because training can be documented, evaluated and certified…#lrnchat
10:30:43 am stayingaliveuk: RT @KathyJeep: Q4) B/c mgmt sees training as an event and makes time for it. Other solutions = more discrete = less dedicated time #lrnchat
10:31:02 am hjarche: @lrnchat courses are cheap & easy to develop compared to relevant activities that provide contextual practice, feedback & modelling #lrnchat
10:31:28 am dawnjmahoney: Q4) Cuz “we” don’t always know what alternatives exist? Complacency? “we always do it this way”? #lrnchat
10:31:49 am JaneBozarth: @weblearning Must be some formula. I love imaginary numbers. #lrnchat
10:31:50 am trchandler: True. Proof that I did something. RT @AndyKons: Q4. Because training can be documented, evaluated and certified…#lrnchat#lrnchat
10:31:58 am kelly_smith01: Q4) Because it flows through your standard ADDIE flow chart. Deciding not to use training does not compute. #lrnchat
10:32:06 am J_Haag: Q4. There’s a misconception that training is always the right solution. We need model for FEA leading to more #PerfSupsolutions. #lrnchat
10:32:10 am michaelmgrant: RT @J_Haag: Here’s my question relating to training on #lrnchat is “how do we make mandatory & compliance training feel less forced upon?”
10:32:10 am learnchamp: Q4 Evolution is quite hard – revolution is sometimes more efficient – Nokia did not see smartphones that important until iPhone #lrnchat
10:33:24 am elearningguy: @stayingaliveuk @KathyJeep Mgmt rarely makes time fr “more discrete” methods b/c it might take away fr production in the salt mines #lrnchat
10:33:25 am amirelion: #lrnchat a thought: I think trainers think it might be easier to charge for training (=days) than for performance support (=???)
10:33:28 am dan_steer: Q4 Because the people on #lrnchat+other LEARNING people are not placed in corporate L+D functions. Those people often = “trainer become mgr”
10:33:36 am kelly_smith01: Q4) Because it fits in a binder, classroom, class time, e-learning lesson, you can see, touch, and hear it. #lrnchat
10:33:42 am BrightTweet: #lrnchat Q4: This debate uncovers some of the barriers to a shift away from courses to resources: http://t.co/OATdnT8l
10:33:43 am stayingaliveuk: Q4) #lrnchat cause it shows we are ‘doing’ something, like helping your baby learn to walk…”
10:34:09 am learnchamp: Q4 RFPs asks for eLearning content pricing – hard to come up with totally different approach #lrnchat
10:34:13 am JaneBozarth: @chris_saeger Overheard: “…so I threatened to send him to leadership training.” #lrnchat
10:34:48 am stayingaliveuk: RT @amirelion: #lrnchat a thought: I think trainers think it might be easier to charge for training (=days) than for performance support (=???)
10:34:50 am awooler: RT@AndyKons Q4. Because training can be documented, evaluated and certified…#lrnchat > spot on for those of us in Regulated Businesses
10:34:54 am dan_steer: Thx to all on #lrnchat – I enjoyed + I’m glad I switched to admin mode” in order to get involved. Bon weekend!
10:34:59 am trchandler: Improvement is a contact sport RT @kelly_smith01: …it fits in a binder, classroom, class time, you can see, touch, and hear it.#lrnchat
10:35:00 am bobzimel: This was a serious Q – the bottom of the hour? @lrnchat How long does this chat continue? T/Y #lrnchat
10:35:04 am LnDDave: Q4) Because many of us deliver what is asked instead of consulting. #lrnchat
10:35:12 am JaneBozarth: I meant to add: ROI. Bless their hearts. #lrnchat
10:35:38 am KathyJeep: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Because it fits in a binder, classroom, class time, e-learning lesson, you can see, touch, and hear it.#lrnchat
10:35:45 am hjarche: “T&D exposes poor mgt/structure. It is the best way to piss-off people when what they learn can’t be applied in the org.” #lrnchat
10:35:47 am elearningguy: @trchandler @AndyKons Oh yes…a certificate always means “Look at me, I’m trained!!” #lrnchat
10:35:52 am LnDDave: RT @bobzimel: yes, it ends at 11am EST. It’s 90 minutes. #lrnchat
10:36:02 am amirelion: @bobzimel 90 minutes #lrnchat
10:36:04 am learnchamp: Q4 So… Be faster then the next RFP – evangelize people before and try something radically different #lrnchat <give it a chance>
10:36:07 am dawnjmahoney: Q4) Butts in seats is a tangible “metric” (=lowest common denominator) #lrnchat
10:36:27 am learnchamp: RT @LnDDave: Q4) Because many of us deliver what is asked instead of consulting. #lrnchat
10:36:27 am dawnjmahoney: @bobzimel 90 min Bob #lrnchat
10:36:37 am AndrewJacobsLD: #lrnchat Sorry,been busy.Q4 B/cause ppl who have had trng before think it’s the solution and uncomfortable with alternatives
10:36:40 am moehlert: @hjarche #lrnchat Even if it was mandatory – IF employees could see that its mandatory because its mission critical and ldrship values it
10:36:49 am kelly_smith01: @learnchamp Yes. It has a pricing model. And fits into a MicroSoft Project spreadsheet. #lrnchat
10:36:50 am AjayPangarkar: RT @JaneBozarth: @weblearning Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/4shgcb3c#lrnchat
10:37:11 am hjarche: “@mattsardina: T&D exposes poor mgt/structure. It’s best way to piss-off people when what they learn can’t be applied in the org” #lrnchat
10:37:13 am learnchamp: RT @kelly_smith01: @learnchamp Yes. It has a pricing model. And fits into a MicroSoft Project spreadsheet. #lrnchat
10:37:17 am JaneBozarth: @JaneBozarth Well hi Ajay how’s things? #lrnchat
10:37:21 am AndyKons: Thanks for the RTs! :) #lrnchat
10:37:30 am elearningguy: RT @janebozarth: I meant to add: ROI. Bless their hearts. #lrnchat #unicornsandrainbows
10:37:40 am LnDDave: Q4) Because people will expect learning to be what they’ve experienced until someone shows them different. #lrnchat
10:37:43 am trchandler: @elearningguy certificates have that reassuring “You have arrived” feeling cc: @AndyKons #lrnchat
10:38:00 am dawnjmahoney: Q4) Wordsmithing “brainstorming” at meeting w/Sr Leadershp is hard work! #lrnchat
10:38:28 am TomTommy16: FACEBOOK + 8 MINUTES = $1,346 http://t.co/1YSdSVSd #thevoice, #xfactor #lrnchat,
10:38:34 am bobzimel: @dawnjmahoney @ LnDDave I’m exhausted…I need to build up to this LOS sortof >> 90 min #lrnchat
10:38:42 am learnchamp: @LnDDave: Q4) Because people will expect learning to be what they’ve experienced until someone shows them different.#lrnchat <correct>
10:38:50 am elearningguy: @trchandler @AndyKons Yeah, I used to fall for that in my MCP/MCSE/MCT days. Now, not so much. #lrnchat
10:39:05 am LnDDave: RT @chet_stevenson: Q4) I think theres a lack of knowledge/Skill within our own industry – on when and how to improve performance. #lrnchat
10:39:13 am addogaudium: Love this! From@JaneBozarth: Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat http://t.co/pxcXnSLf via @TwitPic
10:39:16 am tonyplant: MT @learnchamp Q4 So… Be faster then the next RFP – evangelize people before… #lrnchat <get in higher up the value chain to make impact>
10:39:43 am stayingaliveuk: @KathyJeep @elearningguy #lrnchat what’s concrete made from?
10:39:49 am techherding: Nothing wrong with being “forced” to learn. I want my airline pilot “forced” to learn a new aircraft. #lrnchat
10:39:51 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q4 I think also because not many of us know how to offer and construct better performance support alternatives
10:40:02 am btopro: #lrnchat what was Q4
10:40:02 am lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful education approaches (that aren’t training) you could start working on now? #lrnchat
10:40:08 am LnDDave: @bobzimel Ha. You get used to it. It’s kinda like jumping into a raging river the first few times. #lrnchat
10:40:14 am learnchamp: RT @lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful education approaches (that aren’t training) you could start working on now?#lrnchat
10:40:14 am trchandler: @AndrewJacobsLD converting certificates to merit badges would be a fun experiment cc: @elearningguy @AndyKons#lrnchat
10:40:15 am btopro: RT @lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful education approaches (that aren’t training) you could start working on now?#lrnchat
10:40:18 am kelly_smith01: People see learning as an event where they are managed, restricted, guided, evaluated, etc. #lrnchat\
10:40:25 am Sharon_Boller: And we must encourage a shift from that mindset RT @AndyKons: Q4. Because training can be documented, evaluated and certified…#lrnchat
10:40:29 am kelly_smith01: RT @lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful education approaches (that aren’t training) you could start working on now?#lrnchat
10:40:30 am dawnjmahoney: Here’s a question:Who says their performance needs improving? n my world 1 person says it so it must be so. #lrnchat
10:40:44 am trchandler: RT @lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful education approaches (that arent training) you could start working on now?#lrnchat
10:40:49 am C4LPT: RT @lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful educational approaches (that aren’t training) you could start working on now?#lrnchat
10:40:50 am LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful education approaches (that arent training) you could start working on now?#lrnchat
10:40:51 am learnchamp: RT @tonyplant: MT @learnchamp Q4 So… Be faster then the next RFP – evangelize people before… #lrnchat <get in higher up the value chain to make impact>
10:41:06 am lress: RT @lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful education approaches (that arent training) you could start working on now? #lrnchat
10:41:13 am steveboller: Mobile apps that provide as-needed, informal job support and encourage interaction. #lrnchat
10:41:16 am JaneBozarth: @stayingaliveuk heh. good. #lrnchat
10:41:18 am davehuese: RT @Dave_Ferguson Calling something blended doesn’t make it learning any more than naming a cat Rover makes her a dog. #lrnchat
10:41:21 am bobzimel: Q5: Shadow/ride along coaching – love it #lrnchat
10:41:36 am bobzimel: Q5) Great job aids #lrnchat
10:41:39 am btopro: #lrnchat Q5 creating environments conducive to learner self-discovery / learning from each other
10:41:51 am LnDDave: Q5) Performance Support in the workflow. #lrnchat
10:42:03 am steveboller: Tablets, mobile devices should entice orgs to unchain themselves from their desktop text and next solutions #lrnchat
10:42:06 am LnDDave: RT @bobzimel: Q5) Great job aids #lrnchat
10:42:17 am kelly_smith01: Q5) Deploying some of the practices in Gawande’s “Checklist Manifesto” and similar sources. #lrnchat
10:42:26 am FaizanAM: RT @KathyJeep: Q4) B/c mgmt sees training as an event and makes time for it. Other solutions = more discrete = less dedicated time #lrnchat
10:42:31 am learnchamp: Q5 Talking to / playing with (your) kids #lrnchat
10:42:31 am bobzimel: Q5) Knowing people’s learning styles and letting them learn versus teachin them #lrnchat
10:42:44 am LnDDave: Q5) Create an environment where it is safe to fail and get out of the way. #lrnchat
10:42:55 am C4LPT: Q5) I show how social media can be used to support different approaches here http://t.co/m78sj5L8 #lrnchat
10:43:04 am kelly_smith01: RT @LnDDave: Q5) Create an environment where it is safe to fail and get out of the way. #lrnchat
10:43:12 am sukainaw: Asking people to have a go anyway and to shout if they need help #lrnchat
10:43:15 am weblearning: 4 Shift training out of HR. Drive organizational performance through line managers using their assets effectively #lrnchat#doIsoundlikeHCA
10:43:22 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful education approaches (that arent training) you could start working on now? #lrnchat
10:43:23 am bobzimel: RT LnDDave Q5) Create an environment where it is safe to fail and get out of the way. #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:43:24 am stayingaliveuk: RT @lrnchat: Q5. What are some meaningful education approaches (that aren’t training) you could start working on now? #lrnchat
10:43:31 am AndyKons: @AndyKons @trchandler @AndrewJacobsLD @elearningguy #lrnchat Agreed! Certificates are basically a form of gamebased learning achievements!
10:43:42 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q5 I am building my own framework drawing from perf. support, 70:20:10, spaced lrning, lrning typology and from people on my PLN
10:44:04 am LnDDave: @bobzimel Interesting that you mention #learningstyles; we’re hoping to clear up some of the misconceptions about them next week. #lrnchat
10:44:13 am JaneBozarth: Q5. Listen. #lrnchat
10:44:16 am bobzimel: Q5) @lnddave people don’t fail often enough for the right reasons #lrnchat
10:44:22 am LnDDave: RT @C4LPT: Q5) I show how social media can be used to support different approaches here http://t.co/zPZThixm #lrnchat
10:44:33 am BLPindy: Focus on culture shifts and systemic organizational problems rather than creating a flashy new training program for its own sake. #lrnchat
10:44:38 am kelly_smith01: Delver training (performance support) as close to the time and place of performance as possible. #lrnchat
10:44:39 am elearningguy: @andykons @trchandler @AndrewJacobsLD Well then, where’s my level-up? #lrnchat
10:44:40 am KathyJeep: Q5) For internal systems.. involvment in interface design to help eliminate need for training bandaids of poor design #lrnchat
10:44:44 am LnDDave: RT @JaneBozarth: Q5. Listen. #lrnchat
10:44:58 am ZaraLynnKing: #lrnchat I am on a big poster kick… it is fun
10:45:03 am dawnjmahoney: Q5)M learning modules of routine tasks=Just In Time/when needed/visual for ESL assoc #lrnchat
10:45:17 am bobzimel: Excellent – I’ll buckle up >>@LnDDave #learningstyles; we’re hoping to clear up some of the misconceptions about them next week. #lrnchat
10:45:23 am ZaraLynnKing: #lrnchat see dick…don’t be dick…lol my H&S manager loves it
10:45:26 am sukainaw: Q5) Follow people on Twitter and tweet. #lrnchat
10:45:27 am learnchamp: Q5 Jobs: “Would you like to sell training for the rest of your life or do you want to change the world?” #lrnchat
10:45:33 am BLPindy: For repetitive workplace tasks, create gamified environments, leverage fun and competition to promote achievement. #lrnchat#talktech
10:45:35 am dawnjmahoney: @ZaraLynnKing Hey, tell me more abt this, please? #lrnchat
10:45:51 am elearningguy: @stayingaliveuk @KathyJeep All I know is that it’s strong in compression and weak under tension. Coincidence? #lrnchat
10:46:08 am weblearning: RT @BLPindy: For repetitive workplace tasks, create gamified environments, leverage fun and competition to promote achievement. #lrnchat
10:46:09 am trchandler: How do you mean? RT @ZaraLynnKing: #lrnchat I am on a big poster kick… it is fun #lrnchat
10:46:12 am ZaraLynnKing: @dawnjmahoney i will send them to you. But in truth they wouldn’t let me say dick #lrnchat
10:46:26 am dawnjmahoney: Q5)Ask assoc to develop real world scenarios & work thru solutions #lrnchat
10:46:38 am LnDDave: Q5) Start your design with a blank piece of paper instead of a template. #lrnchat
10:46:50 am Sharon_Boller: Can we leverage the growing preference for visual data organization i.e. infographics and photos over text-based presentations? #lrnchat
10:46:52 am dawnjmahoney: @ZaraLynnKing LOL! Oh do send them! Love it! #lrnchat
10:46:56 am stayingaliveuk: Q5) stop saying how, what, where and when and say your choice, you decide, you’re in charge, make it happen #lrnchat
10:46:56 am awooler: Q5) PLN’s – whether there is technology involved or not, encourage our people to develop their own PLN #lrnchat
10:47:04 am ZaraLynnKing: @trchandler #lrnchat I am making H&S posters and the like. this what you should so do it.
10:47:45 am tonyplant: Q5) trial helicopter lesson I use one control, instructor others & shadowing mine. He trusted me straight off, I learnt well#lrnchat
10:47:47 am JaneBozarth: RT @aaronesilvers Every time a trainer mentions ROI, a kitten dies. #lrnchat
10:48:02 am flowchainsensei: @lrnchat: A5. a) coaching b) dialogue c) “pulling” knowledge #lrnchat
10:48:12 am LnDDave: Q5) Realize that most of the answers are out there already, just waiting to be curated and connected to the learner. #lrnchat
10:48:32 am learnchamp: RT @LnDDave: Q5) Realize that most of the answers are out there already, just waiting to be curated and connected to the learner. #lrnchat
10:48:32 am stayingaliveuk: Q5) ps. and have fun! #lrnchat
10:48:47 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q5 ask more meaningful questions to get to the root of the problem. Build from there
10:48:54 am ZaraLynnKing: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @aaronesilvers Every time a trainer mentions ROI, a kitten dies. #lrnchat
10:49:02 am AndrewJacobsLD: Q5 Expand your PLN, graze from the best, try new, focus on the outcome not the metrics. #lrnchat
10:49:06 am dawnjmahoney: @JaneBozarth Thank goodness my ldrs don’t know to ask for that! whew! #lrnchat
10:49:10 am trchandler: @ZaraLynnKing so more of an internal marketing campaign? #lrnchat
10:49:24 am bobzimel: RT @amirelion: #lrnchat Q5 ask more meaningful questions to get to the root of the problem. Build from there #lrnchat
10:49:31 am kelly_smith01: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @aaronesilvers Every time a trainer mentions ROI, a kitten dies. #lrnchat
10:49:39 am AndyKons: RT @LnDDave: Q5) Realize that most of the answers are out there already, just waiting to be curated and connected to the learner. #lrnchat
10:49:58 am tonyplant: @JaneBozarth @aaronesilvers because ROI has been mentioned so much we’ve killed all the unicorns & dodo’s so kittens are next :-) #lrnchat
10:50:00 am ZaraLynnKing: #lrnchat why create learning when you can just remind with a poster. @trchandler I start with is in a basic program then spread the word
10:50:08 am dawnjmahoney: Irony:stuck doing LMS work while here. Can I just say – GET RID OF LMS is answer to all questions? Please? #lrnchat
10:50:21 am weblearning: I sound like a corporate animal. Look what human capital analytics has done to me ;-) #lrnchat
10:50:23 am AndrewJacobsLD: RT @C4LPT: RT @JaneBozarth: Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of traininghttp://t.co/3fQvNdGg #lrnchat
10:50:28 am BLPindy: Have to step out. Glad I dropped in on #lrnchat today. Always inspired by the ideas being passed around with this great group. Cheers!
10:50:29 am willsWords: RT @JaneBozarth: Here’s a really convenient formula for calculating ROI of training http://t.co/0VBtVJlf #lrnchat
10:50:55 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q5 don’t just look at knowledge and skills. Look into motivation, processes, tools, measures and hindrances to performance
10:51:05 am LnDDave: RT @tonyplant: because ROI has been mentioned so much weve killed all the unicorns & dodos so kittens are next🙂 << Perfect. #lrnchat
10:51:22 am bobzimel: RT@AndyKons RT@LnDDave Realize that most of the answers r out there already, just waiting to be curated and connected 2 the learner #lrnchat
10:51:23 am tonyplant: RT @LnDDave: Q5) Realize that most of the answers are out there already, just waiting to be curated and connected to the learner. #lrnchat
10:51:26 am ZaraLynnKing: @trchandler in my Onboarding we are talking about basic safety expectation i have created posters to show the behaviour #lrnchat
10:51:40 am AndrewJacobsLD: @elearningguy @andykons @trchandler No good unless they add a ‘perk’ to your personal skills. #lrnchat
10:51:45 am AndyKons: Q5. Let learners fail (in a safe, inconsequential environment) #lrnchat
10:51:53 am sukainaw: Q5. Encourage reflection and thinking for learning and discovering. #lrnchat
10:52:01 am Dave_Ferguson: RT @chris_saeger: Saw today “Learning as punishment-Curbing Wasteful Compliance Training” http://t.co/WCar1J1ovia workforce mag #lrnchat
10:52:09 am ZaraLynnKing: @trchandler then i will attache the posters are resources and reference them when talking about safety in job specific trng #lrnchat
10:52:16 am kellygarber: RT @edutainmentm: Can finally make it to a session! Cheryl Lasse, Edutainment Media <– drat, I missed last night! #lrnchat
10:52:28 am trchandler: Tried that, but first think I created was a template RT @LnDDave: Q5) Start design w/ blank piece of paper instead of a template #lrnchat
10:52:43 am bobzimel: @LnDDave did you mean purrfect?>> RT @tonyplant: because ROI…weve killed all the unicorns & dodos so kittens are next << Perfect. #lrnchat
10:52:48 am ZaraLynnKing: @trchandler also i can use them on the job as reminders on safety notice boards and other types places #lrnchat
10:52:50 am LnDDave: Q5) That horse you rode in on? The tall one? Climb down and consider if there’s a better way to do things. ;-) #lrnchat
10:53:02 am amirelion: #lrnchat Q5 and be prepared to give up some of the (fictional) control
10:53:19 am LnDDave: RT @sukainaw: Q5. Encourage reflection and thinking for learning and discovering. #lrnchat
10:53:22 am dawnjmahoney: Q5) Listen. More. #lrnchat
10:54:02 am AndyKons: Q5. Epistemic games #lrnchat
10:54:24 am bobzimel: And maybe we can conduct a lrnchat on #unicorns next? I have not used seen that word as much in my whole life as past 90 mins LUVIT #lrnchat
10:54:33 am elearningguy: @andrewjacobsld …or I can add it to my LinkedIn profile? ;-) #lrnchat
10:54:36 am AndrewJacobsLD: @AndyKons No – let learners fail in an environment that matters – the learning lacks value if the environment is too safe. #lrnchat
10:54:44 am anicole87: RT @LnDDave: Q5) Create an environment where it is safe to fail and get out of the way. #lrnchat
10:55:00 am LnDDave: QWrap) join next week’s discussion on #LearningStyles and help set the record straight. Details here: http://t.co/UzxFLQVT#lrnchat
10:55:12 am techherding: Don’t worry @bobzimel — we’re ready to start on the baby seals. #lrnchat
10:55:13 am lrnchat: Qwrap. Time is almost up. Please reintroduce yourself. Share links, requests & shameless plugs. #lrnchat
10:55:24 am learnchamp: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap. Time is almost up. Please reintroduce yourself. Share links, requests & shameless plugs. #lrnchat
10:55:36 am dawnjmahoney: Um…@AndyKons No – let learners fail in an environment that matters – the learning lacks value if the environment is too safe. #lrnchat
10:56:03 am weblearning: Q5) ike this idea of failure. Let’s link it to games where failing makes the game so much more fun. #lrnchat
10:56:09 am ZaraLynnKing: Zara King #lrnchat Thanks everyone for a great chat today.
10:56:12 am SesanBass: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap. Time is almost up. Please reintroduce yourself. Share links, requests & shameless plugs. #lrnchat
10:56:20 am kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith Learning helper North Texas #lrnchat
10:56:25 am awooler: @AndyKons another instant learning moment as I had to check that out! http://t.co/6ley4Vei #lrnchat
10:56:25 am AndrewJacobsLD: @elearningguy Great conversation recently about why someone’s qual section on a CV shd be 1/10 the size of their skills section. #lrnchat
10:56:35 am learnchamp: Qwrap Michael – working @learnchamp – living in Vienna: best city to live in http://t.co/uXCh4T55 #lrnchat
10:56:37 am bobzimel: How is Orwell’s Animal Farm like #lrnchat? ponder for a while #lrnchat
10:56:56 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap. Time is almost up. Please reintroduce yourself. Share links, requests & shameless plugs. #lrnchat
10:57:15 am techherding: Dick Carlson, hiding from tornadoes in SC. I’ve tied the pugs to furniture. Blogging as http://t.co/ZhPhuQ9T, guaranteed to offend. #lrnchat
10:57:35 am AndyKons: @dawnjmahoney Wouldn’t like to be flying in that plane! :) #lrnchat
10:57:38 am dawnjmahoney: , CPLP Gr8 Fri a.m. chat everyone! Will be ASTD ICE in May – meet u there? #lrnchat
10:57:54 am janehart: Q5) Let’s stop thinking of people as “learners” in organisations but as “workers” and how we can help them do their jobs ( better) #lrnchat
10:57:58 am LnDDave: FYI… next week’s discussion on #LearningStyles isn’t #lrnchat; it’s kind of an experiment. Details here: http://t.co/UzxFLQVT
10:58:08 am bobzimel: Bob Zimel best (and first) #lrnchat. will be bak next week for #learningstyles like balance of practicality and sarcasm today#lrnchat
10:58:11 am btopro: #lrnchat Bryan, developer of the ELMS project. drupal based learning applications development platform http://t.co/uVNC1TNf
10:58:14 am C4LPT: RT @LnDDave: FYI… next week’s discussion on #LearningStyles isn’t #lrnchat; it’s kind of an experiment. Details here:http://t.co/f67R4k94
10:58:17 am AndyKons: RT @awooler: @AndyKons another instant learning moment as I had to check that out! http://t.co/6ley4Vei #lrnchat
10:58:24 am trchandler: always a pleasure interacting with so many smart people. Thank you #lrnchat
10:58:39 am nele_we: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @aaronesilvers Every time a trainer mentions ROI, a kitten dies. #lrnchat
10:58:45 am learnchamp: RT @LnDDave: FYI… next week’s discussion on #LearningStyles isn’t #lrnchat; it’s kind of an experiment. Details here:http://t.co/UzxFLQVT
10:58:49 am btopro: #lrnchat great sitting in two days in a row for these conversations!
10:58:52 am kelly_smith01: RT @trchandler: always a pleasure interacting with so many smart people. Thank you #lrnchat
10:58:59 am dawnjmahoney: @AndyKons Right! Or the surgery mentioned earlier… Yikes! #lrnchat
10:59:05 am lrnchat: Thanks for joining #lrnchat. We’ll post the transcript on http://t.co/44KgwDqI soon. See you next Friday!
10:59:05 am techherding: RT @bobzimel: How is Orwell’s Animal Farm like #lrnchat? #lrnchat << A few of the animals aren’t selling anything?
10:59:06 am bobzimel: OK thanks @lnddaveFYI… next week’s discussion on #LearningStyles it’s kind of an experiment. Details here:http://t.co/aG0gNGDy #lrnchat
10:59:07 am elearningguy: Qwrap) Mark Sheppard, suffering Leafs fan, L&D consultant for RCAF. Blogging as http://t.co/aTFCpAGd. Thx to all, today!#lrnchat
10:59:14 am amirelion: #lrnchat qwrap Amir Elion dir lrning solutions Kineo Israel. leading alternative in June conference speed dating meet expert solutions bar
10:59:16 am georgekroner: RT @btopro #lrnchat Bryan, developer of the ELMS project. drupal based learning applications development platformhttp://t.co/RHl9X2VO
10:59:20 am AndyKons: @awooler #lrnchat Great work!🙂
10:59:51 am awooler: Andy Wooler, now with Kineo in Brighton wondering if there is a secret prize for the 1st mention of the ROI kittens in each#lrnchat!
10:59:53 am learnchamp: RT @lrnchat: Thanks for joining #lrnchat. We’ll post the transcript on http://t.co/44KgwDqI soon. See you next Friday!
11:00:00 am bobzimel: how the heck often are these #lrnchat ‘s?>> RT btopro great sitting in two days in a row for these conversations! #lrnchat
11:00:04 am AndrewJacobsLD: @AndyKons @dawnjmahoney Obv you’d help ppl consider the risks – do we play it safe too often? Is that why trng loses credibility? #lrnchat
11:00:27 am sukainaw: RT @C4LPT: RT @LnDDave: FYI… next week’s discussion on #LearningStyles isn’t #lrnchat; it’s kind of an experiment. Details here: http://t.co/f67R4k94
11:01:02 am dawnjmahoney: @awooler Congrats! #lrnchat
11:01:27 am btopro: RT @lrnchat: Thanks for joining #lrnchat. We’ll post the transcript on http://t.co/44KgwDqI soon. See you next Friday!
11:01:29 am dawnjmahoney: @bobzimel offered two times/week to accommodate time zone differences #lrnchat

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