Transcript 31 March 2011 (late)

5:30:13 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been?
5:31:21 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. Location? Focus? Fave topics? What brings you here tonight?
5:31:22 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: #lrnchat starts in NOW. This weeks topic is Learning Analytics #lrnchat
5:31:27 pm pmtrainer: RT @lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? #lrnchat
5:31:37 pm NixTheNext: PSA: it’s #lrnchat time… expect random, insightful tweets about all things eLearning. If it’s too loud, join us!
5:31:48 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Waiting all day for live #lrnchat. Lurked at daytime session. Followed via Google. Tweeted via LinkedIn. #lrnchat
5:32:23 pm lrnchat: Rule2. [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 15 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
5:32:36 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? #lrnchat
5:32:43 pm karenhyder: Howdy #lrnchat. I’m joining from my “cute” (read: tiny) hotel room in Manhattan. Eager to learn about Learning analytics.
5:32:57 pm pmtrainer: I missed #lrnchat for the last couple weeks – suffering severe withdrawals🙂 #lrnchat
5:33:14 pm NixTheNext: Good evening! I’m Becky Goldberg, eLearning Developer from Chicago. Love #Lectora & #AdobeCaptivate & wrkg on est SoMe in my co#lrnchat
5:33:17 pm lrnchat: Rule3. When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
5:33:46 pm weisblatt: Joining evening session of lrnchat. Been going to morning sessions lately. Join us now using http://tweetchat.com #lrnchat
5:34:11 pm KristiBroom: Hey Everyone – Kristi Broom, Minneapolis, MN, learning technology, #lrnchat x2 for me today — it’s a good one! #lrnchat
5:34:16 pm shelleyisgoing: The bad news is that I’m missing a kettlebells class tonight due to strained tricep; good news is that I get to join #lrnchat. =) #lrnchat
5:34:16 pm shelleyisgoing: The bad news is that I’m missing a kettlebells class tonight due to strained tricep; good news is that I get to join #lrnchat. =) #lrnchat
5:34:21 pm lrnchat: Rule4. Remember to include #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com work well.
5:34:34 pm weisblatt: Hi, I’m Adam Weisblatt from Fairfield, CT US. I’m a Learning Technologies Consultant. #lrnchat
5:34:39 pm pmtrainer: RT @weisblatt: Joining evening session of lrnchat. Been going to morning sessions lately. Join us now using http://tweetchat.com #lrnchat
5:34:43 pm smarte_pants: Lisa #lrnchat
5:34:44 pm smarte_pants: re #lrnchat
5:34:49 pm britz: Mark Britz, ISD, Performance Spclst Syracuse, NY…STILL catching up after #LS2011 #lrnchat
5:34:52 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. Location? Focus? Fave topics? What brings you here tonight? #lrnchat
5:34:54 pm smarte_pants: hit #lrnchat
5:34:56 pm smarte_pants: send #lrnchat
5:34:56 pm smarte_pants: send too #lrnchat
5:35:17 pm CUtrain: #lrnchat hello from WI currently Director of Blended Learning@ a trade association.
5:35:32 pm lrnchat: Rule5. Periodically RT questions so those outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about & so they can chime in too.
5:35:33 pm ThomasStone: @karenhyder Great to see you joining in #lrnchat … I’ve been a regular for a long time, provides lots of value
5:35:34 pm davidbell02: David Bell / Houston / Performance Consultant / e-Learning / Curiosity #lrnchat
5:36:05 pm minutebio: Jeff Goldman, eLearning Designer at Johns Hopkins in B’More signing into #lrnchat
5:36:15 pm JaneBozarth: Hey look @KarenHyder is here! Cool. #lrnchat
5:36:20 pm lrnchat: Rule6. On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really. Seriously. #bringiton
5:36:23 pm britz: @ThomasStone Hey Tom! #lrnchat
5:36:29 pm edCetraTraining: Reuben from edCetra #Lrnchat
5:36:31 pm weisblatt: Trying to transform great ideas here into paying work. Need to get reenergized by the great people here. #lrnchat
5:36:46 pm ThomasStone: @shelleyisgoing Sorry to hear about the injury, but great to hear you are a kettlebells user… good way to do strength training. #lrnchat
5:36:55 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, Performance Improvement Specialist, finishing project in Denver, back home soon. #lrnchat
5:36:55 pm shelleyisgoing: Hello from Boise! I’m Shelley Gable. Instructional Designer. Freelance Writer. #lrnchat
5:36:58 pm pmtrainer: Q0 Coline from Fresno CA, Performance Consultant & PM with Everest CS. Really interested in eLearning mLearning & Social Media#lrnchat
5:36:58 pm odguru: RT @weisblatt: Trying to transform great ideas here into paying work. Need to get reenergized by the great people here. #lrnchat
5:37:03 pm jsuzcampos: Q0) Jeannette Campos, alive and well in #RedSox nation. Incapable of dispassionate #design. #lrnchat
5:37:12 pm audioswhite: Stephen White in the Lehigh Valley, PA #lrnchat
5:37:18 pm NixTheNext: @weisblatt Welcome- you’re in the right place! Inspiration and energy abound at #lrnchat
5:37:20 pm lrnchat: Rule7. A few mins before the end of #lrnchat, reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too.
5:37:34 pm souzifrancis: Souzi, Houston, L&D and career development, LEARN from the pros!!! #lrnchat
5:37:42 pm MMTingley: Melissa Tingley, eLearning ID and general edugeek, Boston. Hello #lrnchat
5:37:43 pm pmtrainer: Sounds like you had a blast RT @britz: Mark Britz, ISD, Performance Spclst Syracuse, NY…STILL catching up after #LS2011 #lrnchat
5:37:46 pm odguru: Christy Pettit – the great Canadian OD adventure continues #lrnchat
5:37:52 pm cr8ivetraining: Hello from Sunny California! Diane Smith with Everest CS – building businesses by developing their people-assets. #lrnchat
5:37:55 pm shelleyisgoing: @KristiBroom – Hello! Wow, second #lrnchat session today, eh? =) #lrnchat
5:38:06 pm weisblatt: I’ve been trying to go to both sessions but for the last few weeks I could only make the morning session. #lrnchat
5:38:08 pm ThomasStone: Hey there… get much snow today? ASTD event in Albany was cancelled today b/c of weather coming RT @britz: @ThomasStone Hey Tom! #lrnchat
5:38:21 pm lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
5:38:35 pm souzifrancis: Hello all at #lrnchat…it’s been a while but I was finally able to make it tonight!!!!
5:38:40 pm britz: @pmtrainer yes but conference tweeting is exhausting!🙂 #lrnchat
5:38:42 pm hjarche: Hi, I’m Harold, living life in perpetual Beta since 2006 & earlier http://ur1.ca/3pyoz #lrnchat
5:38:48 pm shelleyisgoing: @ThomasStone – It sure is. The workouts are crazy intense…and I love it! Glad to be here tonight though. #lrnchat
5:38:52 pm GabrielleAshton: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
5:38:52 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
5:38:57 pm edCetraTraining: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #Lrnchat
5:39:02 pm smarte_pants: hello from Minneapolis where it’s snowing again ….argh….Lisa from Allen Interactions ready and willing to learn! #lrnchat
5:39:03 pm KristiBroom: @shelleyisgoing Hi Shelley, yeah — and there may even be some content reuse😉 #lrnchat
5:39:10 pm weisblatt: @ThomasStone I just came back from Kingston so I must have missed the snow. #lrnchat
5:39:10 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
5:39:15 pm pmtrainer: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?#lrnchat
5:39:15 pm KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
5:39:23 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?#lrnchat
5:39:31 pm NixTheNext: Q0) I learned my co’s SoMe policy prohibited me from sending the SoMe policy to ppl outside the co. #facepalm #lrnchat
5:39:37 pm britz: @ThomasStone we are snowless today….tomorrow looks to be a bit different tho😦 #lrnchat
5:39:40 pm ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Element K in Rochester, NY. Hello fellow #lrnchat folks!
5:39:45 pm GabrielleAshton: This is my first #lrnchat🙂 I learned today that it’s ok to make mistakes.
5:39:52 pm edCetraTraining: Read a great article about how busIntel is verging on artificial intelligence #Lrnchat
5:39:54 pm KristiBroom: Q0) I finally conquered pivot tables and pivot charts in Excel — but not sure I learned it — that test will come next time #lrnchat
5:39:58 pm pmtrainer: I imagine so…you were tweeting up a storm last week RT @britz: @pmtrainer yes but conference tweeting is exhausting!🙂 #lrnchat
5:40:06 pm JaneBozarth: RT @NixTheNext: Q0) I learned my cos SoMe policy prohibited me from sending the SoMe policy to ppl outside the co. #facepalm#lrnchat
5:40:07 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned that some projects never end – even when the work is done. #lrnchat
5:40:20 pm CUtrain: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
5:40:20 pm NixTheNext: Q0) on a more + note, I learned that there are ppl @ my co who want to learn from others. 1st, crucial step twds getting it goin! #lrnchat
5:40:26 pm KristiBroom: @GabrielleAshton Welcome! Mistakes are welcome too #lrnchat
5:40:27 pm shelleyisgoing: Q0) Realized today that the @ISPI1962 conference is right around the corner. Wish I was going! Anyone here attending? #lrnchat
5:40:34 pm JaneBozarth: I learned about loading, editing, saving, projecting PPT on iPad2 #lrnchat
5:40:54 pm weisblatt: Q0) I learned that people need to learn to meditate in the midst of chaos. I should find a way to teach that. #lrnchat
5:41:02 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned that I must get some sort of e-reader -soon. #lrnchat
5:41:04 pm cr8ivetraining: Q0) learned today: there are people outside L&D who WANT to learn & develop themselves – #lrnchat
5:41:05 pm GabrielleAshton: #lrnchat Hi everyone – my name is Gabrielle & I work in #Learning at @StarbucksJobs. I’m a sr. training specialist with a focus on marcom🙂
5:41:15 pm odguru: Irony thrives. Learned 2day executive sponsoring a clients lrg scale engagement survey is leaving the org… due to disengagement #lrnchat
5:41:17 pm shelleyisgoing: Good lesson. And welcome! RT @GabrielleAshton: This is my first #lrnchat🙂 I learned today that its ok to make mistakes. #lrnchat
5:41:18 pm JaneBozarth: @KarenHyder any more interactions w alligators? Did you come to NYC to meet the cobra? #lrnchat
5:41:29 pm weisblatt: RT @kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned that some projects never end – even when the work is done. #lrnchat
5:41:32 pm davidbell02: Q0) I learned some ideas on how to leverage LMS today. #lrnchat
5:41:44 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, performance & elearning consultant, DC metro area #lrnchat
5:41:49 pm NixTheNext: Revelation! RT @cr8ivetraining: Q0) learned today: there are people outside L&D who WANT to learn & develop themselves – #lrnchat
5:41:50 pm JaneBozarth: I’m Jane. I like poetry, cuddling, and dinners by the fire. Oh and zombies. #lrnchat
5:42:04 pm pmtrainer: Q0 Became a true believer of the power of backchannel observing the #LS2011 backchannel & the resources put together by @LnDDave#lrnchat
5:42:11 pm marsacat: Q0) I learned that Turning Point can now be integrated with BrainPop; very excited about more on the fly assessments #lrnchat
5:42:26 pm britz: Q0) I learned that enemies CAN be friends …when a common enemy appears… #lrnchat
5:42:26 pm shelleyisgoing: SO TRUE!!! RT @weisblatt: RT @kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned that some projects never end – even when the work is done. #lrnchat
5:42:35 pm pmtrainer: RT @NixTheNext: Q0) I learned my cos SoMe policy prohibited me from sending the SoMe policy to ppl outside the co. #facepalm #lrnchat
5:42:35 pm weisblatt: Q0) I learned you can make websites, even sized for iPhone fast at http://psd2cssonline.com very cool. #lrnchat
5:42:43 pm cr8ivetraining: LOL! ironic! RT @NixTheNext: Q0) I learned my cos SoMe policy prohibited me from sending the SoMe policy to ppl outside the co.#lrnchat
5:42:54 pm NixTheNext: Q0) I also learned about benefits of linking PPT & #AdobeCaptivate from @rjacquez & @lilybiri; yay! #lrnchat
5:43:02 pm karenhyder: #lrnchat. I was reminded today how critical it is to know your audience. Duh.
5:43:11 pm shelleyisgoing: Like Plants vs. Zombies? =) RT @JaneBozarth: Im Jane. I like poetry, cuddling, and dinners by the fire. Oh and zombies. #lrnchat
5:43:16 pm JaneBozarth: @weisblatt thank you for this week’s questions! #lrnchat
5:43:26 pm souzifrancis: Q0) I learned today that I can’t control how quickly other people learn! All I can do is try & teach then be patient #lrnchat
5:43:26 pm marsacat: Hi Everyone! I’m a k-3 tech integrator in PA; trying to make better use of my PLN #lrnchat
5:43:33 pm artintelbot: #edCetraTraining: Read a great article about how busIntel is verging on artificial intelligence #Lrnchat http://is.gd/N42zlz
5:43:38 pm weisblatt: Q0) I learned that QR codes are sparkly things that make even the most hardened Luddite go “Ooooh” #lrnchat
5:43:38 pm jsuzcampos: Q0) I (re)learned the seven virtues (of which, patience is just one), but it’s where I am starting. #lrnchat
5:43:53 pm NixTheNext: Nancy Duarte’s prime msg @ #ls2011! RT @karenhyder: #lrnchat. I was reminded today how critical it is to know your audience. Duh.#lrnchat
5:44:00 pm souzifrancis: @jsuzcampos Patience is soooo hard #lrnchat
5:44:01 pm JaneBozarth: I learned SO MUCH at #LS2011 last week I don’t even know where to begin… #lrnchat
5:44:06 pm weisblatt: RT @souzifrancis: learned today that I cant control how quickly other people learn! All I can do is try & teach then be patient #lrnchat
5:44:13 pm JaneBozarth: Winning! RT @weisblatt: Q0) I learned that QR codes are sparkly things that make even the most hardened Luddite go “Ooooh”#lrnchat
5:44:21 pm pmtrainer: RT @odguru: <edit> Learned 2day exec sponsoring a clients lrg scale engagement survey is leaving the org – due to disengagement#lrnchat
5:44:25 pm GabrielleAshton: @souzifrancis I love this too. Patience & learning go hand in hand. Great thing to know & practice. #lrnchat
5:44:27 pm JaneBozarth: Patience is overrated. #lrnchat
5:44:31 pm NixTheNext: RT @JaneBozarth: I learned SO MUCH at #LS2011 last week I dont even know where to begin… #lrnchat
5:44:33 pm weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: I learned SO MUCH at #LS2011 last week I dont even know where to begin…SO JEALOUS #lrnchat
5:44:37 pm britz: RT @JaneBozarth: I learned SO MUCH at #LS2011 last week I dont even know where to begin…/ Amen! #lrnchat
5:44:42 pm souzifrancis: @gabrielleashton Agreed.🙂 #lrnchat
5:44:49 pm kasey428: Q0) I learned that the newest member of my team is also the most intuitive. She picked up on office politics within 1 week. #lrnchat
5:44:57 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned that I must try real hard to attend #LS2012 #lrnchat
5:44:57 pm souzifrancis: I wish I was at #LS2011!!!😦 #lrnchat
5:45:13 pm britz: RT @JaneBozarth: Patience is overrated. / Jane ur on a roll! DITTO #lrnchat
5:45:19 pm CUtrain: Ditto…seriously my head still hurts RT @JaneBozarth: I learned SO MUCH at #LS2011 last week I don’t even know where to begin… #lrnchat
5:45:20 pm NixTheNext: RT @kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned that I must try real hard to attend #LS2012 #lrnchat
5:45:23 pm souzifrancis: @kasey428 Some people are quick and observant. #lrnchat
5:45:29 pm chrisstjohn: I learned today I am a Grandpa! #lrnchat
5:45:31 pm weisblatt: RT @kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned that I must try real hard to attend #LS2012 #lrnchat
5:45:38 pm lrnchat: Q1) What learning data does your org collect? Why? What problem is org trying to solve? #lrnchat
5:45:47 pm souzifrancis: @chrisstjohn CONGRATS!!!! #lrnchat
5:45:54 pm kelly_smith01: RT @chrisstjohn: I learned today I am a Grandpa! #lrnchat –>Cool
5:45:59 pm JaneBozarth: @NixTheNext really. it was a great event. Look at DevLearn in Vegas in November. #lrnchat
5:45:59 pm NixTheNext: Mazel Tov!!! RT @chrisstjohn: I learned today I am a Grandpa! #lrnchat
5:46:01 pm KristiBroom: RT @chrisstjohn: I learned today I am a Grandpa! <–Congratulations! #lrnchat
5:46:03 pm smarte_pants: @janebozarth – ditto on learning so much at #LS2011 – keep me posted on new ideas you put into practice #lrnchat
5:46:03 pm californiakara: I learned there CAN be too much of a good thing. #lookingatyouchocolate #lrnchat
5:46:06 pm edCetraTraining: RT @chrisstjohn: I learned today I am a Grandpa! Congrats #Lrnchat
5:46:07 pm CUtrain: Congrats!!! RT @chrisstjohn: I learned today I am a Grandpa! #lrnchat
5:46:07 pm kasey428: @chrisstjohn Congrats! #lrnchat
5:46:14 pm weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: Patience is overrated. > I can’t be bothered with that. #lrnchat
5:46:14 pm KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What learning data does your org collect? Why? What problem is org trying to solve? #lrnchat
5:46:17 pm ThomasStone: So funny… I was just going to say something about patience myself… a bit diff. though. RT @JaneBozarth: Patience is overrated.#lrnchat
5:46:18 pm cr8ivetraining: Q) I learned that the enthusiasm and excitement of a learner can ignite my own enthusiasm to train. #lrnchat
5:46:22 pm souzifrancis: Q1) We collect date on #engagement because we want to know how happy our employees are! #lrnchat
5:46:22 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What learning data does your org collect? Why? What problem is org trying to solve? #lrnchat
5:46:31 pm criticallearner: #lrnchat intro> David Glow TPA joining late.
5:46:35 pm pmtrainer: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What learning data does your org collect? Why? What problem is org trying to solve? #lrnchat
5:46:43 pm souzifrancis: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What learning data does your org collect? Why? What problem is org trying to solve? #lrnchat
5:46:45 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) In my experience, orgs collect the EASY stuff (enrollments, completions, pass rates) but not the IMPORTANT stuff. #lrnchat
5:46:45 pm JaneBozarth: @chrisstjohn Congrats! Now go answer my email!🙂 #lrnchat
5:46:57 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What learning data does your org collect? Why? What problem is org trying to solve? #lrnchat
5:46:57 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What learning data does your org collect? Why? What problem is org trying to solve? #lrnchat
5:47:02 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) The tried (and not-so-true) smile sheets. #lrnchat
5:47:04 pm pmtrainer: Congrats!! RT @chrisstjohn: I learned today I am a Grandpa! #lrnchat
5:47:06 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What learning data does your org collect? Why? What problem is org trying to solve? #lrnchat
5:47:09 pm davidbell02: Congrats!RT @kelly_smith01: RT @chrisstjohn: I learned today I am a Grandpa! #lrnchat –>Cool #lrnchat
5:47:10 pm smarte_pants: @chrisstjohn – congratulations! #lrnchat
5:47:13 pm MMTingley: Cool! Congratulations! > RT @chrisstjohn: I learned today I am a Grandpa! #lrnchat
5:47:15 pm NixTheNext: Q1) the assumption being they’re collecting data to solve a problem.😦 #lrnchat
5:47:20 pm KristiBroom: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) In my experience, orgs collect the EASY stuff (enrollments, completions, pass rates) but not IMPORTANT stuff.#lrnchat
5:47:26 pm weisblatt: Q1) Orgs collect what’s easy to collect regardless of the value. #lrnchat
5:47:27 pm CUtrain: Q1) were currently doing level 1& 2 evaluations(Kirkpatrick, he’s from WI ya know🙂 in addition to butts in seats (double drink)#lrnchat
5:47:28 pm Quinnovator: (Quietly: about to join #lrnchat, late: watch out for the memestream, duck or join)
5:47:31 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1)In my experience, orgs collect the EASY stuff (enrollments, completions, pass rates) but not the IMPORTANT stuff #lrnchat
5:47:38 pm criticallearner: q0) #lrnchat Learned much per LS2011- blogging most of it. http://bit.ly/eCl4Oi (Duarte keynote recap w/ gr8 resources)
5:47:39 pm GabrielleAshton: #lrnchat Q1) We have a Learning management system that records skill checks & training for approx. 90k partners @StarbucksJobs. #LMS
5:47:39 pm edCetraTraining: Q1)although we implement things for others, one of the more interesting things we collected was content combinations ppl accessed #Lrnchat
5:47:39 pm cammybean: Jay Cross said “don’t bother w/ learning metrics but biz metrics” #lrnchat
5:47:51 pm kasey428: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) In my experience, orgs collect the EASY stuff (enrollments, completions, pass rates) but not IMPORTANT stuff.#lrnchat
5:47:51 pm souzifrancis: Q1) we also collect easy to track data, like who completed which online training…part of the requirements. #lrnchat
5:47:57 pm hjarche: Q1) My org? What’s my org? I am a person, not an org. People can provide data points but be careful in generalizing #lrnchat
5:47:58 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design strategist, consultant/author/speaker, genial malcontent, Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
5:47:59 pm britz: Q1) learning data? We collect performance data #lrnchat
5:48:00 pm kelly_smith01: RT @cammybean: Jay Cross said “don’t bother w/ learning metrics but biz metrics” #lrnchat
5:48:12 pm weisblatt: Q1) Orgs collect data first and foremost to justify their existence. #lrnchat
5:48:13 pm hjarche: RT @cammybean: Jay Cross said “dont bother w/ learning metrics but biz metrics” #lrnchat
5:48:17 pm marsacat: Q1) Rather than use the DRA as an assessment of learning, we are emphasizing the focus of instruction to assess for learning #lrnchat
5:48:20 pm Quinnovator: (quietly, sorry I’m late, welcome to all new and returning #lrnchat particpants)
5:48:24 pm cr8ivetraining: Q1) collect: industry, desires, goals, career path of learners; problem to solve: what the learners need to expand & succeed #lrnchat
5:48:37 pm Quinnovator: (Quietly): and don’t forget the Official #lrnchat Drinking Game™ http://lrnchatdrinkinggame.wikispaces.com/ (drinks at the ready!)
5:48:43 pm KristiBroom: RT @britz: Q1) learning data? We collect performance data <–Good for you! #lrnchat
5:48:47 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Sometimes with learning metrics by the time you finish with it – it is to late. #lrnchat
5:48:50 pm pmtrainer: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Orgs collect whats easy to collect regardless of the value. #lrnchat
5:48:54 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) The data that most orgs collect is only closely related to *learning* or *business*. They’re like “third cousins twice removed” #lrnchat
5:48:54 pm Quinnovator: congrats to Grandpa St. John! #lrnchat
5:48:56 pm shelleyisgoing: Q1) Org is getting better at collecting on-the-job metrics…tho it seems that someone has to push for it. Not consistent yet. #lrnchat
5:49:08 pm davidbell02: RT @souzifrancis: Q1) we also collect easy to track data, like who completed which online training…part of the requirements. #lrnchat
5:49:17 pm pmtrainer: RT @britz: Q1) learning data? We collect performance data #lrnchat
5:49:27 pm californiakara: Q1) my old co collected data that would go into ExHell, never to be seen again. RIP Data Points #lrnchat
5:49:33 pm katridgely: @SrLex I think one thing that helps is the chat I’m involved in called #lrnchat. Guess I have more to say now too🙂
5:49:35 pm LnDDave: Q1) I collect learning and performance data; in truth, I’m not asked for it, but it’s valued when I share it. #lrnchat
5:49:36 pm britz: RT @KristiBroom: RT @britz: Q1) learning data? We collect performance data <–Good for you! / now if we only did it really good🙂 #lrnchat
5:49:43 pm jsuzcampos: Leave it to @Quinnovator to show up quietly — but not without the drinking rules in hand.🙂 #lrnchat
5:49:53 pm CUtrain: RT @britz: Q1) learning data? We collect performance data #lrnchat > we have yet to get there.
5:49:54 pm souzifrancis: Understood….RT @californiakara: Q1) my old co collected data that would go into ExHell, never to be seen again. RIP Data Points#lrnchat
5:49:55 pm kasey428: Q1) It seems we are very concerned as to whether students like the instructors. I can like an instructor and not learn. #lrnchat
5:50:11 pm Quinnovator: RT @britz: Q1) learning data? We collect performance data #lrnchat < hear hear
5:50:17 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Hard to convince organization to measure performance on the job after learning event. #lrnchat
5:50:22 pm JaneBozarth: RT @kasey428: Q1)It seems we are very concerned as to whether students like the instructors. I can like an instructor and not learn#lrnchat
5:50:24 pm GabrielleAshton: #lrnchat Q1) it is difficult to capture engagement levels outside of the recorded training. We try surveys, give aways, etc.
5:50:25 pm weisblatt: my old org calculated the ratio of transactions to helpdesk tickets to squelch the people who said technology sucks. #lrnchat
5:50:34 pm NixTheNext: we struggle 2; implementation sb continuous RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) sometimes w/ lng metrics by the time you finish w/it, its 2late.#lrnchat
5:50:46 pm karenhyder: Oops. Forgot to incl. #lrnchat Me too, Jane. I’m working to incorporate what I learned esp. From @nancyduarte session and book.
5:50:53 pm edCetraTraining: Q1) learning is not a binary digit. Most data points summarize learning as a 1 or 0…complete/incomplete, pass/fail. It’s a shame#Lrnchat
5:50:54 pm smarte_pants: @quinnovator thanks for the heads up on the #lrnchat drinking game. what a hoot. I’m new to this so it was fun to see #lrnchat
5:50:58 pm Quinnovator: @jsuzcampos hi, Phil! actually, it’s the drink that’s in hand… #lrnchat
5:51:02 pm weisblatt: One group I supported wanted to buy a scantron to report that the room was too hot. #lrnchat
5:51:09 pm shelleyisgoing: Yeah, org is eager to move to next thing. RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Hard to convince org to measure perf on job after learning event.#lrnchat
5:51:14 pm pmtrainer: Q1 Orgs collect smile sheets – because thats what verifies learning occurred – right? #lrnchat
5:51:18 pm JaneBozarth: @karenhyder try tweetchat; it’ll add the hashtag #lrnchat
5:51:21 pm souzifrancis: WOOOWWWW RT @weisblatt: One group I supported wanted to buy a scantron to report that the room was too hot. #lrnchat
5:51:35 pm JaneBozarth: RT @weisblatt: One group I supported wanted to buy a scantron to report that the room was too hot. #lrnchat
5:51:39 pm cr8ivetraining: Q1) Smile sheets – somehow convince future clients that your training programs are great – bcuz you give out candy? #lrnchat
5:51:46 pm britz: RT @CUtrain: RT @britz: Q1) learning data? We collect performance data #lrnchat > we have yet to get there./ prob is the variables #lrnchat
5:51:54 pm Quinnovator: Q1) and what do you *do* with the data? Hoping we’ll start getting to using it to learner’s advantage, not just org’s #lrnchat
5:51:54 pm souzifrancis: I know we do…easy RT @pmtrainer: Q1 Orgs collect smile sheets – because thats what verifies learning occurred – right? #lrnchat
5:51:55 pm weisblatt: RT @kasey428 It seems we are very concerned as to whether students like the instructors. I can like an instructor and not learn. #lrnchat
5:51:58 pm pmtrainer: RT @weisblatt: One group I supported wanted to buy a scantron to report that the room was too hot. #lrnchat
5:52:02 pm odguru: Data collection is largely about feigning control. Like kids with steering wheels on their car seats who think they’re steering. #lrnchat
5:52:07 pm GabrielleAshton: #lrnchat Q1) For us @Starbucks – training & learning = our culture, mission, values. Can’t have one without the other. That’s our metric.
5:52:12 pm jsuzcampos: Hi Clark! @Quinnovator Cheers to that! #lrnchat
5:52:36 pm souzifrancis: That’s awesome. RT @gabrielleashton: #lrnchat Q1) For us @Starbucks – training & learning = our culture, miss… (cont)http://deck.ly/~Wup3a
5:52:38 pm kasey428: Q1) Some of our clients are also concerned about their learners liking our instructors. #lrnchat
5:52:40 pm cr8ivetraining: Q1) We collect pre- & post-session learning assessments using audience response system. cool tech! #lrnchat
5:52:56 pm odguru: Collecting some efficacy data right now – “I get it and I can use it”…”what??” #lrnchat
5:53:01 pm souzifrancis: RT @cr8ivetraining: Q1) We collect pre- & post-session learning assessments using audience response system. cool tech! #lrnchat
5:53:02 pm chrisstjohn: We are preoccupied with Kirkpatrick me thinks. #lrnchat
5:53:04 pm JaneBozarth: @odguru Data collection often just records ‘activity’, not accomplishment/performance/anything real #lrnchat
5:53:06 pm manage_lead: @chrisstjohn Congrats! What’s his/her name? May he/she have lifelong health. #lrnchat
5:53:08 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Hand out smiles sheets as participants are packing up to make the 25 mile trip to the airport last day of training. #lrnchat
5:53:12 pm pmtrainer: Q0 One org I worked with wanted to know why I even wanted to collect data – they said just go train – you know what the prob is #lrnchat
5:53:13 pm NixTheNext: Q1) Without level 3’s & 4’s, how can you really measure what’s learned? #lrnchat
5:53:14 pm LnDDave: Q1) I rarely share data. I collect data so I can tell a credible story. #lrnchat
5:53:20 pm manage_lead: @kasey428 @jsuzcampos Cuz it’s hard to collect the important stuff! #lrnchat
5:53:28 pm souzifrancis: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Hand out smiles sheets as participants are packing up to make the 25 mile trip to the airport last day of training. #lrnchat
5:53:34 pm manage_lead: Q0) learned that person w/ a learning challenge may not always have that learning challenge & I have to adapt to new learning need#lrnchat
5:53:35 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) In fairness, an org collecting something is better than nothing. You can build off this curiosity and provide direction. #lrnchat
5:53:43 pm bearclau: @Barb_D age, gender, location? sounds more like a dating chat room #lrnchat
5:53:44 pm cr8ivetraining: Q1) the audience response system (ARS) can log individual learning in-classroom on a spreadsheet #lrnchat
5:53:45 pm souzifrancis: RT @pmtrainer: Q0 One org I worked with wanted to know why I even wanted to collect data – they said just go train – you know what the prob is #lrnchat
5:53:47 pm weisblatt: RT @odguru: Data collection largely about feigning control Like kids with steering wheels on car seats who think theyre steering. #lrnchat
5:54:02 pm KristiBroom: Q1) I think some data is collected because then it can be used to create pretty charts. And pivot tables. #lrnchat
5:54:04 pm Quinnovator: @cr8ivetraining sorry, have a real prob w/ pre-post data (should be criteria based), but like use of audience response #lrnchat
5:54:20 pm Quinnovator: @chrisstjohn said Kirkpatrick: *drink*! #lrnchat
5:54:32 pm KristiBroom: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) In fairness, an org collecting something is better than nothing. Build off this curiosity & provide direction. #lrnchat
5:54:50 pm edCetraTraining: RT @JaneBozarth: @odguru Data collection often just records activity – unfortunately not…they record end result… #Lrnchat
5:54:53 pm CUtrain: RT @LnDDave: Q1) I rarely share data. I collect data so I can tell a credible story. #lrnchat> I like that !
5:55:08 pm JaneBozarth: & DASHBOARDS RT @KristiBroom Q1) I think some data is collected because then it can be used to create pretty charts. & pivot tables#lrnchat
5:55:16 pm pmtrainer: RT @KristiBroom: Q1) I think some data is collected because then it can be used to create pretty charts. And pivot tables. #lrnchat
5:55:22 pm LnDDave: Q1) Ever notice that orgs ask for data from external vendors that they don’t ask for internally? #Hypocrisy #lrnchat
5:55:27 pm chrisstjohn: @Quinnovator Pouring a big one now… #lrnchat
5:55:28 pm kellygarber: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) In fairness, an org collecting something is better than nothing. Build off this curiosity & provide direction. #lrnchat
5:55:29 pm weisblatt: Q1) Problem is orgs havent figured out how to attach electrodes from the LMS to people’s brains #lrnchat
5:55:30 pm souzifrancis: @KristiBroom How else are the execs going to wow the shareholders & board of directors?🙂 #lrnchat
5:55:35 pm britz: RT @KristiBroom: Q1) I think some data is collected bcuz then it can b used to create pretty charts. And pivot tables. / Data Art #lrnchat
5:55:35 pm kasey428: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Hand out smiles sheets as participants… >> Did they like the materials? Did the PPTs add to the classroom?#lrnchat
5:55:36 pm MMTingley: I think TweetChat has given up the ghost #lrnchat
5:55:54 pm souzifrancis: RT @LnDDave: Q1) Ever notice that orgs ask for data from external vendors that they don’t ask for internally? #Hypocrisy #lrnchat
5:56:04 pm pmtrainer: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Problem is orgs havent figured out how to attach electrodes from the LMS to peoples brains #lrnchat
5:56:13 pm Quinnovator: Q1) collect smile sheets only: the only important data is whether they liked it, right? #lrnchat
5:56:16 pm JaneBozarth: RT @LnDDave: Q1) Ever notice that orgs ask for data from external vendors that they dont ask for internally? #Hypocrisy #lrnchat
5:56:20 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) With a good design one could use social media for gathering analytics after employees return 2 job. #lrnchat
5:56:37 pm GabrielleAshton: #lrnchat Our goal is to collect the recorded training –> = transcript for college credit. #FutureState #StarbucksUniversity
5:56:39 pm KristiBroom: @JaneBozarth dashboards are good if they help me self-assess & improve performance. I guess pretty charts *could* help too #lrnchat
5:56:41 pm Quinnovator: RT @pmtrainer: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Problem is orgs havent figured out how to attach electrodes from LMS to peoples brains #lrnchat < good!
5:56:43 pm ITJil: RT @kasey428: Q1) It seems we are very concerned as to whether students like the instructors. I can like an instructor and not learn. #lrnchat
5:56:47 pm criticallearner: RT @LnDDave: Q1) Ever notice that orgs ask for data from external vendors that they don’t ask for internally? #Hypocrisy #lrnchat
5:57:15 pm JaneBozarth: @KristiBroom most dashboards I’ve seen are just pretty. And not, uh,dashboards. #lrnchat
5:57:16 pm Quinnovator: Q1) how was lunch? Was the room pretty? Did you feel respected? #lrnchat (sorry, feeling cynical)
5:57:21 pm pattichurch: Always try to collect data on content, presentation and instructor. Need it all to assess what to do next time #lrnchat.
5:57:30 pm kellygarber: Q1) collect whatever is needed to convince the execs to budget more money for training dev #lrnchat
5:57:35 pm LnDDave: Q1) Honestly, I have very little interest in the reports I get from my LMS; why should I expect anyone else to? #lrnchat
5:57:35 pm souzifrancis: RT @pattichurch: Always try to collect data on content, presentation and instructor. Need it all to assess what to do next time #lrnchat.
5:58:08 pm Quinnovator: Q1) anyone coupling LMS to ERP: correlating learning to biz outcomes? #lrnchat
5:58:11 pm weisblatt: Q1) In regulatory, only data that is looked at is compliance. sigh. #lrnchat
5:58:20 pm GabrielleAshton: RT @pattichurch: Always try to collect data on content, presentation and instructor. Need it all to assess what to do next time#lrnchat.
5:58:22 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) how was lunch? Was the room pretty? Did you feel respected? #lrnchat (sorry, feeling cynical) #lrnchat
5:58:25 pm edCetraTraining: Q1) learning data gathering is based on compliance education and is inappropriate for current education modalities #Lrnchat
5:58:31 pm karenhyder: #lrnchat Q1). measuring current training course with live presentations and learner Level 1 reactions.
5:58:32 pm ThomasStone: RT @britz: Q1) learning data? We collect performance data #lrnchat
5:58:33 pm Quinnovator: RT @weisblatt: Q1) In regulatory, only data that is looked at is compliance. sigh. #lrnchat < double that
5:58:34 pm pmtrainer: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) how was lunch? Was the room pretty? Did you feel respected? (sorry, feeling cynical) << too much carbs! #lrnchat
5:58:47 pm hjarche: If work = learning, who needs learning specialists? When learning is integral to business, look out! #lrnchat
5:58:49 pm kellygarber: woot! RT @quinnovator: @chrisstjohn said Kirkpatrick: *drink*! #lrnchat
5:58:51 pm weisblatt: This can backfire: RT @kellygarber: Q1) collect whatever is needed to convince the execs to budget more money for training dev #lrnchat
5:58:57 pm cr8ivetraining: Should be built into the ERP automatically! RT @Quinnovator: Q1) anyone coupling LMS to ERP: correlating learning to biz outcomes? #lrnchat
5:58:59 pm kasey428: Q1) The data is used to decide which instructors to use and where. Also, IDs use learner feedback to improve course materials. #lrnchat
5:59:00 pm souzifrancis: RT @hjarche: If work = learning, who needs learning specialists? When learning is integral to business, look out! #lrnchat
5:59:00 pm tonnet: RT @hjarche: If work = learning, who needs learning specialists? When learning is integral to business, look out! #lrnchat
5:59:03 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Collect/present data in a way other internal organization collect/present data.(EZ for execs.) #lrnchat
5:59:08 pm criticallearner: q1> #lrnchat 1st “what are bus results”, then “what learning data adds context to the change in bus results?” Correlation, not causation
5:59:16 pm KristiBroom: Q1) Some data collection is necessary. Regulators ask; we need to provide. #lrnchat
5:59:19 pm Quinnovator: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Collect/present data in a way other internal organization collect/present data.(EZ for execs.) #lrnchat
5:59:22 pm odguru: @JaneBozarth @KristiBroom Fav cartoon is a dashboard with a guy saying, “I’ve no idea what it means but I love the action.” #lrnchat
5:59:24 pm edCetraTraining: RT @hjarche: If work = learning, who needs learning specialists? When learning is integral to business, look out!- yes #Lrnchat
5:59:28 pm karenhyder: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat thanks for the tip.
5:59:30 pm GabrielleAshton: #lrnchat I’m ready for Q2… What did I just say about patience? Sigh. Still learning.
5:59:39 pm CUtrain: RT @weisblatt: Q1) In regulatory, only data that is looked at is compliance. sigh. #lrnchat >auditors look for has attended not has learned
5:59:53 pm weisblatt: That is the holy grail: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) anyone coupling LMS to ERP: correlating learning to biz outcomes? #lrnchat
6:00:03 pm Dave_Ferguson: @chrisstjohn Honestly, I am hardly EVER preoccupied with Kirkpatrick. #lrnchat
6:00:18 pm Quinnovator: @marsacat NO, shouldn’t have designed if didn’t already know needed: show ability to *do* afterward: criteria, not delta #lrnchat
6:00:24 pm KristiBroom: Ha! Link? RT @odguru: @JaneBozarth Fav cartoon is a dashboard with a guy saying, “Ive no idea what it means but I love the action.”#lrnchat
6:00:24 pm weisblatt: Q1) Rumour has it that auditors are starting to ask whether people learned. #lrnchat
6:00:27 pm kasey428: Q1) Must collect specific data for continuing education credits #lrnchat
6:00:31 pm pattichurch: Measurement seems to more important than ever. Smile index only goes so far. Adoption of skills is what needs to be measured.#lrnchat
6:00:38 pm kellygarber: @weisblatt whether it was right/wrong wasn’t the question though.🙂 #lrnchat
6:00:39 pm kasey428: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @chrisstjohn Honestly, I am hardly EVER preoccupied with Kirkpatrick. #lrnchat
6:01:04 pm nickcharney: @hjarche huge reorg implications for orgs that have divisions responsible for learning (i.e. CSPS and #goc) #lrnchat
6:01:09 pm weisblatt: Problem with reporting on outcomes is that the org would actually have to decide on outcomes. #lrnchat
6:01:17 pm criticallearner: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Collect/present data in a way other internal organization collect/present data.(EZ for execs.) #lrnchat
6:01:20 pm MMTingley: Q1) We actually find the learner comments to be the most valuable of all data currently collected. #lrnchat
6:01:20 pm Quinnovator: @weisblatt should be the default (or by pass the LMS altogether😉 #lrnchat
6:01:21 pm mrch0mp3rs: Who said Kirkpatrick? Who? Drink. #lrnchat
6:01:27 pm CUtrain: RT @kasey428: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @chrisstjohn Honestly, I am hardly EVER preoccupied with Kirkpatrick. #lrnchat>> double drink
6:01:34 pm edCetraTraining: @hjarche one day our vapor ROI models for ‘learning’ will disappear and our work will be an essential line item in a p&l report#Lrnchat
6:01:39 pm cr8ivetraining: Ack! Actual Learning during Compliance Training?? RT @weisblatt: Q1) auditors are starting to ask whether people learned. #lrnchat
6:01:44 pm weisblatt: Yes that’s the sad part. I’ve been there. RT @kellygarber: @weisblatt whether it was right/wrong wasnt the question though.🙂 #lrnchat
6:01:52 pm lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:01:57 pm Quinnovator: @MMTingley subjective feedback useful if self-efficacious learners, but otherwise… #lrnchat
6:02:05 pm mrch0mp3rs: I’m tucking kids in bed and the Twitterverse cries out “Kirkpatrick.” #lrnchat
6:02:13 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:02:18 pm kellygarber: We aren’t going to make it to Q2 at this rate … RT @mrch0mp3rs: Who said Kirkpatrick? Who? Drink. #lrnchat
6:02:20 pm KristiBroom: Doesn’t matter — someone will say it again🙂 Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick again. RT @mrch0mp3rs: Who said Kirkpatrick? Who? Drink.#lrnchat
6:02:25 pm edCetraTraining: Q2) no #Lrnchat
6:02:26 pm pmtrainer: RT @weisblatt: Problem with reporting on outcomes is the org would actually have to decide on outcomes.<that would be painful #lrnchat
6:02:32 pm NixTheNext: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:02:33 pm KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:02:35 pm pmtrainer: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:02:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: MAKE IT STOP!!!!! THE LEVEL 3 HUMANITY!!!!!! #lrnchat
6:02:58 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) I think it depends on what you collect and with whom you share it. #lrnchat
6:03:03 pm JaneBozarth: Q2 Lord yes. #lrnchat
6:03:13 pm odguru: Getting some learning metrics in ERP including correlations between ind. learning plans & better scores on Ipsos Reid client data. #lrnchat
6:03:13 pm weisblatt: @kellygarber Groups used to boast about volume, then org said why aren’t these people working? #lrnchat
6:03:14 pm kathyjeep: Jumping in a little late RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:03:19 pm reward75: Q1) In my experience, people say they need metrics but don’t know what information they want to know. #lrnchat
6:03:24 pm cr8ivetraining: Q2) the data should be meaningful to whichever audience is reviewing it. Business, Learner, Sponsor #lrnchat
6:03:29 pm souzifrancis: Q2) that has to depend on what type of data you are collecting….#lrnchat
6:03:31 pm criticallearner: RT @edCetraTraining: @hjarche one day our vapor ROI models for ‘learning’ will disappear and our work will be an essential line item in a p&l report #Lrnchat
6:03:39 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:03:42 pm hjarche: @edCetraTraining at that time L&D (in its present form) will be redundant #lrnchat
6:03:47 pm marsacat: need to be careful as to how we use the data; not to single out students based on race/gender/religion- high expectations for all #lrnchat
6:03:48 pm KristiBroom: RT @reward75: Q1) In my experience, people say they need metrics but dont know what information they want to know. #lrnchat
6:03:49 pm kellygarber: Q2) big ethical issue if the why/what is to manipulate results instead of measure performance #lrnchat
6:03:52 pm britz: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:03:54 pm reward75: Regina Ward, Sorry to be late😦 #lrnchat
6:03:57 pm JaneBozarth: q2 do your learners know what you collect, why, where kept, how long, how used ? Panopticon is real… #lrnchat
6:04:03 pm kasey428: RT @reward75: Q1) In my experience, people say they need metrics but dont know what information they want to know. #lrnchat
6:04:05 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:04:11 pm LnDDave: Q2) Any time data is collected without a set plan for it’s use, you’re opening the door to ethical issues. #lrnchat
6:04:15 pm NixTheNext: Q2) just to be clear- what qualifies as Learning Data? ’cause I can’t see any ethical issue with, ‘did you learn’? #lrnchat
6:04:19 pm bearclau: Q2) Medical prof has HIPAA laws, are there similar privacy laws/guidelines for training? #lrnchat
6:04:19 pm manage_lead: Q2) yes if learners believe our jobs depend on it they may feel pressured to answer positively. #lrnchat
6:04:28 pm kellygarber: Exactly. RT @weisblatt: @kellygarber Groups used to boast about volume, then org said why arent these people working? #lrnchat
6:04:32 pm minutebio: Q2) Only if you won’t let them leave the training room w-out completing the smile sheet. #lrnchat
6:04:33 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) What’cha gonna do with all that unethical data you just collected? #lrnchat
6:04:38 pm JaneBozarth: I think it’s unethical for L&D to spend org]s money on LMS that produces 96 reports they don’t use. #lrnchat
6:04:42 pm kwheeler: Has anyone met a CEO who cared about learning stats? #lrnchat #corplearn
6:04:50 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) Ethical issue – Can you separate learning analytics from job performance evaluation. #lrnchat
6:04:51 pm JaneBozarth: RT @weisblatt: @kellygarber Groups used to boast about volume, then org said why arent these people working? #lrnchat
6:04:52 pm pmtrainer: RT @NixTheNext: Q2) just to be clear- what qualifies as Learning Data? cause I cant see any ethical issue with, did you learn? #lrnchat
6:04:55 pm cr8ivetraining: Q2) ethical issues always arise when using statistics – keep the numbers real and meaningful #lrnchat
6:04:57 pm Quinnovator: RT @minutebio: Q2) Only if you won’t let them leave the training room w-out completing the smile sheet. #lrnchat < absolutely
6:05:05 pm weisblatt: Q2) Has anyone dealt with EU strict privacy laws on learning data? #lrnchat
6:05:07 pm kkapp: Q2) Business wants metrics to measure productivity, L&D folks need that & info to improve training #lrnchat
6:05:11 pm kathyjeep: Q2) I think there is potential especially if you are measuring L2 #lrnchat
6:05:15 pm kellygarber: RT @JaneBozarth: I think its unethical for L&D to spend org]s money on LMS that produces 96 reports they dont use. #lrnchat
6:05:18 pm criticallearner: RT @kellygarber: Q2) big ethical issue if the why/what is to manipulate results instead of measure performance #lrnchat
6:05:25 pm Quinnovator: @LnDDave and even *with* a set plan, should be transparent #lrnchat
6:05:36 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @cr8ivetraining: Q2) ethical issues always arise when using statistics – keep the numbers real and meaningful #lrnchat
6:05:37 pm hjarche: @nickcharney starting to think I don’t really care – let them die, IMO #lrnchat
6:05:37 pm odguru: Q2) if u consider spending money 2 collect information with vague and untimely enough to be useless unethical – then yes it can be. #lrnchat
6:05:37 pm pmtrainer: RT @JaneBozarth: I think its unethical for L&D to spend orgs money on LMS that produces 96 reports they dont use. #lrnchat
6:05:39 pm karenhyder: #lrnchat Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc.
6:05:40 pm edCetraTraining: RT @JaneBozarth: I think its unethical for L&D to spend org]s money on LMS that produces 96 reports they dont use. – true dat#Lrnchat
6:05:43 pm reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: I think its unethical for L&D to spend org’s money on LMS that produces 96 reports they dont use. < I agree! #lrnchat
6:05:47 pm minutebio: RT @criticallearner: RT @kellygarber: Q2) big ethical issue if the why/what is to manipulate results instead of measure performance#lrnchat
6:05:48 pm JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. #lrnchat
6:05:53 pm lmockford: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1)In my experience, orgs collect the EASY stuff (enrollments, completions, pass rates) but not the IMPORTANT stuff #lrnchat
6:05:53 pm kkapp: q2) training = continuous improvement or why do it? #lrnchat
6:05:55 pm KristiBroom: RT @criticallearner: RT @kellygarber: Q2) big ethical issue if the why/what is to manipulate results instead of measure performance#lrnchat
6:05:57 pm chrisstjohn: Q1) Data collected on 135,000 students in DoD civ workforce for transcripts to validate mandatory 80 hrs training every 2 years. #lrnchat
6:06:06 pm kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:06:11 pm Quinnovator: RT @karenhyder: #lrnchat Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc. < why not?
6:06:26 pm LorettaDonovan: @JaneBozarth It’s not a question of ethics to use an LMS that collect unnecessary data. It’s just lacking in strategic purpose.#lrnchat
6:06:28 pm kasey428: RT @karenhyder: Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc. #lrnchat
6:06:29 pm Quinnovator: RT @kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see. #lrnchat < bingo!
6:06:33 pm JamesBSchultz: @kwheeler, I’m a CEO and I care about learning stats #lrnchat
6:06:38 pm sillym0nkey: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. #lrnchat
6:06:45 pm criticallearner: q2> #lrnchat fewer ethical issues w/collecting data if you align with performance data collected to do work (stuff they r already rated on)
6:06:47 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see. #lrnchat #corplearn#lrnchat
6:06:50 pm LnDDave: Q2) Ethical concerns are one reason I don’t share ‘data’ unless specifically asked for. I share stories based on my data. #lrnchat
6:06:56 pm weisblatt: Q2) Sometimes learning data is used to shutdown redundant learning departments. Is that unethical? #lrnchat
6:06:58 pm Quinnovator: RT @kkapp: q2) training = continuous improvement or why do it? #lrnchat < long term relationship FTW!
6:07:12 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) Using analytics to assess job performance. Instead of effectiveness of training. #lrnchat
6:07:20 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. #lrnchat < evil!
6:07:21 pm SueSchnorr: RT @Minutebio Q2) Only if you won’t let them leave the training room w-out completing the smile sheet. #lrnchat good one, Jeff lol
6:07:22 pm pmtrainer: RT @weisblatt: Q2) Sometimes learning data is used to shutdown redundant learning departments. Is that unethical? #lrnchat
6:07:33 pm kwheeler: @sillym0nkey Do you mean you car about learning outcomes or teh typical stats we parrot? #lrnchat #corplearn
6:07:36 pm minutebio: Q2) Have seen evals used only to make participants think their opinion matters and the evals are never read by trainer – unethical #lrnchat
6:07:40 pm edCetraTraining: RT @Quinnovator: RT @karenhyder: #lrnchat Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc. < why not?- is it used?#Lrnchat
6:07:42 pm cr8ivetraining: @odguru Yes! Spending money to collect data that is meaningless is unethical – e.g. was the coffee hot? #lrnchat
6:07:48 pm NixTheNext: Q2) Learning data is not behavior modification. Learning data shouldn’t be used to measure emp.; lack of behavior mod should. #lrnchat
6:07:48 pm weisblatt: I haven’t seen anything but. RT @sillym0nkey: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. #lrnchat
6:07:48 pm chrisstjohn: Q2) Ethics in data collecting? Not in this Administration. #lrnchat
6:07:49 pm Quinnovator: Q2) use data to learner *and* org’s benefit, or you’re off the ClueTrain #lrnchat
6:07:50 pm reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. < Sounds like No Child Left Behind #lrnchat
6:07:59 pm pattichurch: RT @kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:08:06 pm JaneBozarth: RT @minutebio: Q2) seen evals used only to make participants think their opinion matters and the evals are never read by trainer#lrnchat
6:08:08 pm weisblatt: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. < Sounds like No Child Left Behind #lrnchat
6:08:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. < Sounds like No Child Left Behind #lrnchat < well-played!
6:08:15 pm JaneBozarth: data gathered onlyto spin #lrnchat
6:08:18 pm NixTheNext: Q2) Learning data should be used to measure training, not learner. #lrnchat
6:08:33 pm criticallearner: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat- it’s measured that only 5% of LMS reports at our org drives value/decisions (for the money spent- YIKES)
6:08:34 pm sillym0nkey: RT @minutebio: Q2) Have seen evals used 2 make participants think their opinion matters & evals r never read by trainer -unethical#lrnchat
6:08:35 pm JaneBozarth: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. < Sounds like No Child Left Behind #lrnchat
6:08:39 pm britz: Q2) the ethics issue is in the use of more co. time & resources to manipulate the numbers than using them to improve results #lrnchat
6:08:46 pm kathyjeep: RT @minutebio: Q2) Have seen evals used only to make part think their opinion matters & the evals never read by trainer – unethical#lrnchat
6:08:59 pm Quinnovator: @JamesBSchultz yeah, but you’re here in #lrnchat, clearly you’re unusual😉
6:09:03 pm edCetraTraining: Q2) let’s be honest though about the data collected. Based on a high school model where reward and punishment are part of the sys. #Lrnchat
6:09:06 pm odguru: Fab prez by Simon Buckingham Shum on learning analytics refs models 4 ethics in learning data collection. http://alturl.com/r8xi3 #lrnchat
6:09:11 pm JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind should’ve been called No Teacher Left Standing. #lrnchat
6:09:11 pm kelly_smith01: Data gathered in the same manner regardless of the modality of training delivered, #lrnchat
6:09:26 pm JaneBozarth: @reward75 Did you enjoy LS? #lrnchat
6:09:34 pm weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing. #lrnchat
6:09:41 pm Quinnovator: RT @NixTheNext: Q2) Learning data should be used to measure training, not learner. #lrnchat < no, performance, not training
6:09:42 pm sillym0nkey: Q2) have seen evals used to gather data and data doesn’t relate to reality #lrnchat
6:09:42 pm LorettaDonovan: @weisblatt:”Smetmes lrng data is used 2 shutdown redundant learning depts. Is that unethical?” It’s unethical 2 ignore redundancy.#lrnchat
6:09:51 pm davidbell02: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:09:53 pm criticallearner: @kelly_smith01 the only reason to sep learning data from perf data is to show “they can do it, but something else is blocking xfer”#lrnchat
6:09:58 pm kwheeler: Stats of any kind are used to punish. Look what happens to stocks prices when resutls are weak. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:10:14 pm hjarche: Q2) frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn #lrnchat
6:10:18 pm reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing. <LOL! I agree! #lrnchat
6:10:26 pm kasey428: Q2) Our evals are not read by instructors often. They don’t want to know. All our instructors are SMEs. #lrnchat
6:10:33 pm JamesBSchultz: @Quinnovator Darn that is the same thing my mentor told me this week! #lrnchat
6:10:35 pm chrisstjohn: Q2) Collected but never published #lrnchat
6:10:38 pm karenhyder: Quinnovator: #lrnchat Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc. < why not? Not sure why not.
6:10:42 pm CUtrain: RT@Quinnovator: RT@kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see.#lrnchat < bingo!
6:10:45 pm JaneBozarth: RT @criticallearner it’s measured that only 5% of LMS reports at our org drives value/decisions (for the money spent- YIKES) #lrnchat
6:10:45 pm LorettaDonovan: RT@kelly_smith01 the only reason 2 sep learning data frm perf data is to show “they can do it, but something else is blocking xfer”#lrnchat
6:10:51 pm kelly_smith01: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing.#lrnchat
6:10:55 pm Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: Q2) frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn #lrnchat < sounds like ethically challenged😉
6:11:00 pm sillym0nkey: RT @LorettaDonovan: @weisblatt:”Smtmes data used 2 shutdown redundant lrning depts. unethical?” unethical 2 ignore redundancy.#lrnchat
6:11:03 pm LorettaDonovan: @hjarche Happy Birthday #lrnchat
6:11:04 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing.#lrnchat
6:11:12 pm adhaliwal: Q2) The Kirkpatrick Model was developed in the 50s. Have we not moved on? #lrnchat
6:11:16 pm kelly_smith01: RT @LorettaDonovan: @hjarche Happy Birthday #lrnchat
6:11:21 pm criticallearner: RT @kelly_smith01: Q2) Using analytics to assess job performance. Instead of effectiveness of training. #lrnchat
6:11:32 pm Quinnovator: RT @LorettaDonovan: @hjarche Happy Birthday #lrnchat yes, told him so privately, but public outing is ethical, yes?🙂
6:11:34 pm reward75: @JaneBozarth Yes, I loved the conference. Particularly getting to meet lrnchatters I haven’t met before😀 #lrnchat
6:11:40 pm davidbell02: RT @Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: Q2) frankly my dear, I dont give a damn #lrnchat < sounds like ethically challenged😉 #lrnchat
6:11:41 pm kkapp: #lrnchat stats can’t measure relationships built in class or “aha” moments, usually just measure multiple choice anwrs not learning #lrnchat
6:11:41 pm edCetraTraining: RT @kwheeler: Stats of any kind are used to punish. Look what happens to stocks prices when resutls are weak. – not web analytics #Lrnchat
6:11:50 pm MMTingley: RT @adhaliwal: Q2) The Kirkpatrick Model was developed in the 50s. Have we not moved on? #lrnchat
6:11:56 pm mikeberta: Q0 #lrnchat – Staying current always pays off – relearned
6:11:59 pm JaneBozarth: @adhaliwal apparently not. #lrnchat
6:12:05 pm hjarche: @LorettaDonovan thanks, Loretta – I feel much younger😉 #lrnchat
6:12:19 pm nickcharney: @hjarche I don’t have a problem with it either, what I have a problem with is the time it will take to make the the transition #lrnchat
6:12:31 pm kelly_smith01: So many that have limited grasp of managing performance improvement use Kirkpatrick for life support. #lrnchat
6:12:34 pm kkapp: @adhaliwal #lrnchat we seem to be moving backward….
6:12:35 pm sillym0nkey: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat stats cant measure relationships built n class or aha moments, just measure multiple choice anwrs not learning#lrnchat
6:12:44 pm weisblatt: Q2) To be fair, learning takes resources (time and money). You need data to be accountable for using resources #lrnchat
6:12:45 pm kwheeler: @hjarche Happy Birthday. Always younger, always smarter! #lrnchat #corplearn
6:12:51 pm nickcharney: @hjarche and the associated costs w/keeping an old paradigm alive when a new one is ready to supplant it #lrnchat
6:12:51 pm kasey428: Kirkpatrick retired. Things change. #lrnchat
6:12:55 pm LnDDave: Q2) I don’t think collecting data is unethical. It’s how we collect it and how the data is used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:12:57 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @adhaliwal: “The Kirkpatrick Model was developed in the 50s. Have we not moved on?” Many of us use Phillips and xfer.#lrnchat
6:13:13 pm weisblatt: RT @MMTingley: RT @adhaliwal: Q2) The Kirkpatrick Model was developed in the 50s. Have we not moved on? #lrnchat
6:13:22 pm sillym0nkey: RT @kasey428: Kirkpatrick retired. Things change. #lrnchat
6:13:25 pm jengallmeyer: RT @weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing.#lrnchat
6:13:27 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) I’ve seen lots of meaningless data collected and never used. That’s a dilemma but not sure it’s an ethical one. #lrnchat
6:13:30 pm JaneBozarth: Yes & it’s discouraging. RT @kkapp: we seem to be moving backward…. #lrnchat
6:13:40 pm KristiBroom: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it & how data is used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:13:43 pm Quinnovator: @kkapp I like relationships, think are important, but how about outcomes? e.g. new ability to *do*? #lrnchat
6:13:43 pm kwheeler: Even Kirkpatrick didn;t like his own model, or so he told me once at an ASTD conf. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:13:44 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it & how it’s used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:13:47 pm kasey428: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it & how data is used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:13:58 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @jsuzcampos: Q2) Ive seen lots of meaningless data collected and never used. Thats a dilemma but not sure its an ethical one.#lrnchat
6:14:00 pm reward75: RT @jsuzcampos: Q2) Ive seen lots of meaningless data collected and never used. Thats a dilemma but not sure its an ethical one.#lrnchat
6:14:07 pm ThomasStone: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) use data to learner *and* org’s benefit, or you’re off the ClueTrain #lrnchat
6:14:09 pm pmtrainer: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it how the data used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:14:11 pm adhaliwal: RT @JaneBozarth: Yes & it’s discouraging. RT @kkapp: we seem to be moving backward…. #lrnchat
6:14:18 pm Quinnovator: RT @LnDDave: Q2) don’t think collecting data is unethical. It’s how we collect and how used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:14:19 pm cr8ivetraining: Q2) We moved from the Age of Info, to the age of Too Much Info, and now don’t know what to do with it. #lrnchat
6:14:19 pm weisblatt: RT @kwheeler: Even Kirkpatrick didn;t like his own model, or so he told me once at an ASTD conf. #lrnchat #corplearn #lrnchat
6:14:20 pm californiakara: Q2) You smile sheet haters. Those poor unassuming sheets of uselessness have feelings! #hatersgonnahate #lrnchat
6:14:20 pm mikeberta: #lrnchat Q2) The use of assessment data used to terminate or discipline ‘ees instead of provide positive growth or changes in instruction
6:14:25 pm reward75: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it & how its used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:14:30 pm kkapp: @LorettaDonovan @adhaliwal #lrnchat…Phillips not much unlike Kirkpatrick😦 just one more level
6:14:31 pm shelleyisgoing: @MMTingley @adhaliwal @kasey428 What should we measure that’s not included in Kirkpatrick model? (I assume ROI in level 4)#lrnchat
6:14:49 pm KristiBroom: RT @cr8ivetraining: Q2) We moved from the Age of Info, to the age of Too Much Info, and now dont know what to do with it. #lrnchat
6:14:56 pm britz: @jengallmeyer @weisblatt @JaneBozarth @reward75 I was a teacher during some of NCLB …it was a horrible existence #lrnchat
6:15:06 pm JaneBozarth: RT @mikebertaThe use of assessment data used to terminate/discipline instead of provide positive growth or changes in instruction#lrnchat
6:15:14 pm adhaliwal: RT @kkapp: @LorettaDonovan @adhaliwal #lrnchat…Phillips not much unlike Kirkpatrick😦 just one more level. I agree completely.
6:15:15 pm kellygarber: Maybe how we “sort”? RT @LnDDave: Q2) …Its how we collect it and how the data is used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:15:15 pm lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:20 pm weisblatt: What is the ROI of measuring ROI? #lrnchat
6:15:22 pm pmtrainer: RT @cr8ivetraining: Q2) We moved from the Age of Info, to the age of Too Much Info, and now dont know what to do with it. #lrnchat
6:15:22 pm odguru: RT @JaneBozarth: Yes & it’s discouraging. RT @kkapp: we seem to be moving backward< let’s try to think of it as cleanse & refocus.#lrnchat
6:15:35 pm kwheeler: RT @weisblatt: What is the ROI of measuring ROI? #lrnchat
6:15:35 pm minutebio: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:35 pm kkapp: @shelleyisgoing @MMTingley @adhaliwal @kasey428 how about organizational performance, task improvements, items mattering to client#lrnchat
6:15:36 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @californiakara: Q2) You smile sheet haters. Those poor unassuming sheets of uselessness have feelings! #lrnchat
6:15:40 pm pmtrainer: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:44 pm KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:44 pm LorettaDonovan: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:53 pm edCetraTraining: Q3)someone needs to drink for that #Lrnchat
6:15:58 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:00 pm kathyjeep: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:02 pm sillym0nkey: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:02 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:08 pm chrisstjohn: Q3) periodic IPTs and Focus Groups #lrnchat
6:16:09 pm JaneBozarth: @weisblatt wait let me ask the unicorn… #lrnchat
6:16:20 pm JamesBSchultz: Q2) To much information and data killing innovation #lrnchat
6:16:21 pm Quinnovator: OK, I’ll say it: nothing wrong with K’patrick IF start *and* end w/ Level 4. Anything else is putting lipstick on the proverbial #lrnchat
6:16:28 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:30 pm kerina: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
6:16:48 pm hjarche: Q3) I collect stories, that’s how I collect data in perpetual Beta #lrnchat
6:16:56 pm minutebio: Q3) I collect formative data as soon as I see the 1st participant roll his/her eyes in class #lrnchat
6:16:58 pm LorettaDonovan: Q3) Conference calls, focus groups, surveys . . . and Appreciative Inquiry #lrnchat
6:16:59 pm JaneBozarth: Q3. Involve end users in assessment and development; use iterative eval; test as you go; use SoMe for reflective intersession work#lrnchat
6:17:00 pm kelly_smith01: Q4) Collected formative data via interviews and survey and regretfully sometimes “feel.” #lrnchat
6:17:04 pm davidbell02: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:17:06 pm lmockford: RT @lrnchat: Rule4. Remember to include #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com work well. #fln
6:17:10 pm hackofalltrades: RT @hjarche: Q3) I collect stories, that’s how I collect data in perpetual Beta #lrnchat
6:17:13 pm mikeberta: RT @weisblatt: What is the ROI of measuring ROI? #lrnchat
6:17:15 pm MMTingley: Q3) How much time to people have to collect Formative, Summative data? #lrnchat
6:17:20 pm kkapp: @Quinnovator #lrnchat…outcomes…yes, absolutely. Yes.
6:17:24 pm JaneBozarth: Great- RT @minutebio: Q3) I collect formative data as soon as I see the 1st participant roll his/her eyes in class #lrnchat
6:17:25 pm shelleyisgoing: @kkapp – Agree that is the priority…and I think of it as Level 4 / Org Impact. =) #lrnchat
6:17:34 pm kkapp: RT @Quinnovator: @kkapp I like relationships, think are important, but how about outcomes? e.g. new ability to *do*? #lrnchat
6:17:39 pm weisblatt: I buy into measuring performance instead of learning activity but how do you correlate learning with performance? #lrnchat
6:17:43 pm britz: Q3) All data collected with exception of business results is formative, no? #lrnchat
6:17:47 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @hjarche: Q3) I collect stories, thats how I collect data in perpetual Beta ** Wonderful way to learn informally ;-)** #lrnchat
6:17:51 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:17:58 pm Quinnovator: @MMTingley build it into the process/system. How do you know whether OK, needs tweak, or kill? #lrnchat
6:18:03 pm odguru: Formative is in the discussion forum and polling. Summative evaluated by person and mentor. #lrnchat
6:18:07 pm lmockford: RT @lrnchat: Rule4. Remember to include #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com work well.
6:18:10 pm minutebio: q3) I only collect summative data for my own sick, unethical purposes🙂 #lrnchat
6:18:11 pm sillym0nkey: Q3) Recently seen this: trng depts taken over by biz units – few trng pros on project &no evals #lrnchat
6:18:19 pm davidbell02: Q3) I believe I need to spend more time collecting and analyzing data? #lrnchat
6:18:22 pm LnDDave: “@lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat”
6:18:26 pm edCetraTraining: Q3) seriously…. #Lrnchat
6:18:30 pm shelleyisgoing: Agree completely! RT @Quinnovator: OK, Ill say it: nothing wrong with Kpatrick IF start *and* end w/ Level 4. #lrnchat
6:18:31 pm weisblatt: Q3) Did the solution solve the problem? #lrnchat
6:18:35 pm mikeberta: #lrnchat Q3) Orgs seem reluctant to collect summative data perceived as ‘ee testing. I measure performance outcomes after the intervention
6:18:39 pm Quinnovator: @kkapp and agree, multiple guess is usually not useful tool (can be, but that’s another topic😉 #lrnchat
6:18:45 pm kelly_smith01: RT @sillym0nkey: Q3) Recently seen this: trng depts taken over by biz units – few trng pros on project &no evals #lrnchat
6:18:58 pm odguru: @minutebio Mez perv! #lrnchat
6:18:59 pm LnDDave: Q3) I stop talking and start listening. #lrnchat
6:19:09 pm cr8ivetraining: Depends on what you are collecting RT @britz: Q3) All data collected with exception of business results is formative, no? #lrnchat
6:19:17 pm reward75: Q3) We don’t do any real evaluation bcuz I don’t think my supervisors know what that is #lrnchat
6:19:20 pm kkapp: @weisblatt Good Q…tie learning objectives to performance objectives & do some pre-post assessments…hardly ever done but gold #lrnchat
6:19:24 pm NixTheNext: Q3) vocab lesson for me😉 We use knowledge checks thruout instruction; Level 2 quizzes @ end (excuse Kirkpatrick reference; drink)#lrnchat
6:19:25 pm shelleyisgoing: tee hee RT @minutebio: q3) I only collect summative data for my own sick, unethical purposes🙂 #lrnchat
6:19:37 pm JaneBozarth: Say it. RT @reward75: Q3) We dont do any real evaluation bcuz I dont think my supervisors know what that is #lrnchat
6:19:40 pm Quinnovator: RT @britz: Q3) All data collected with exception of business results is formative, no? #lrnchat < should be (and even biz results)
6:19:50 pm kwheeler: Gotta run. Great chat. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:19:51 pm SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:20:00 pm kelly_smith01: Q4) Summative evaluation has been on my Christmas list for years #lrnchat
6:20:03 pm Quinnovator: RT @LnDDave: Q3) I stop talking and start listening. #lrnchat
6:20:13 pm ajeanne: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Summative evaluation has been on my Christmas list for years #lrnchat
6:20:13 pm minutebio: Q3) Find anecdotal feedback mo powerful than properly collected data. Seems higher ups perk up when they hear it v. charts #lrnchat
6:20:14 pm LnDDave: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:20:18 pm criticallearner: q3> #lrnchat lots of scenario based tests (developed from act. field situations), surveys to get stories from the workplace application
6:20:19 pm britz: Q3) we use a SoMe (blogs) during the new hire on boarding to capture formative data #lrnchat
6:20:28 pm kathyjeep: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Summative evaluation has been on my Christmas list for years #lrnchat
6:20:32 pm cmeadvocate: For all CME tweeps & those interested in #CMEchat – you have to check out the current conversation on #lrnchat – and follow @Quinnovator
6:20:35 pm JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:20:48 pm JaneBozarth: RT @britz: Q3) we use a SoMe (blogs) during the new hire on boarding to capture formative data #lrnchat
6:20:48 pm kkapp: @Quinnovator True multiple choice can be good but seldom ever is…in the wrong hands, its deadly & many of the wrong hands have it#lrnchat
6:20:55 pm adhaliwal: Gotta run. Sun finally shining in the Bay Area. Great insight. Thanks All. #lrnchat
6:20:55 pm shelleyisgoing: Q3) Early summative from assmnts, learner/trainer feedback, class observation, and OJT portions of training #lrnchat
6:20:56 pm NixTheNext: Q3) Old school approach abounds, tho- one ind. said, “why should they be allowed to retry?” on non-scored game interaction. #lrnchat
6:20:58 pm KristiBroom: Q3) f2f formative helps to get multiple levels of feedback and make quick adjustments #lrnchat
6:21:02 pm Quinnovator: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Summative evaluation has been on my Christmas list for years #lrnchat < you’re witty but frequently absent. Merry!
6:21:05 pm hjarche: @SueSchnorr thanks, Sue – I’m working on it🙂 #lrnchat
6:21:14 pm edCetraTraining: Q3) any data collected related to the consumption of content and it’s impact to the business should be ‘formative’ and never ‘sum’#Lrnchat
6:21:28 pm NixTheNext: Q3) I <3’d live tweeting at #ls2011! Brilliant formative data and reinforcement! #lrnchat
6:21:32 pm LorettaDonovan: Sandbox sessions for confirming skills. #lrnchat
6:21:43 pm kasey428: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:21:58 pm kelly_smith01: A4) I think Social Media liike Twitter (with proper design) is a great tool for collecting some summative data. #lrnchat
6:22:00 pm ThomasStone: Agreed. Or close eyes. RT @minutebio: Q3) I collect formative data as soon as I see the 1st participant roll his/her eyes in class#lrnchat
6:22:10 pm SueSchnorr: Q3. many aren’t interested in all the work it takes for Level 3s #lrnchat (sadly, IMHO)
6:22:12 pm Quinnovator: RT @kkapp: multiple choice can be good but seldom ever is…in the wrong hands, its deadly & many of the wrong hands have it#lrnchat < yep
6:22:22 pm cmeadvocate: love to have this debate sometime, but 140 char won’t do it… RT @kkapp: q2) training = continuous improvement or why do it?#lrnchat
6:22:31 pm shelleyisgoing: Q3) Online learning environments w/ social media allows observation, contributes to summative eval #lrnchat
6:22:47 pm weisblatt: Q3) Trying to grok the terms: http://bit.ly/gNB5Mq #lrnchat
6:22:49 pm criticallearner: q3> #lrnchat and ultimately, summative data just comes from the business, now, doesn’t it?
6:22:49 pm JamesBSchultz: Always amazed how hard this for managers and executives. RT @LnDDave: Q3) I stop talking and start listening. #lrnchat
6:22:49 pm Quinnovator: if they’re still awake, they need more feedback #lrnchat
6:22:54 pm JaneBozarth: OK I know i’m supposed to be concentrating on #lrnchat, but the Grey’s musical episode is really exceptional. Wow.
6:22:57 pm shelleyisgoing: Nice! RT @LorettaDonovan: Sandbox sessions for confirming skills. #lrnchat
6:22:59 pm kkapp: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:23:17 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator you mean ‘multiple guess’?😉 #lrnchat
6:23:27 pm pmtrainer: RT @SueSchnorr: Q3. many arent interested in all the work it takes for Level 3s #lrnchat (sadly, IMHO) #lrnchat
6:23:36 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator you mean ‘multiple guess’?😉 #lrnchat < didn’t I say that?
6:23:47 pm JaneBozarth: RT @LorettaDonovan: Sandbox sessions for confirming skills. #lrnchat
6:23:51 pm chambo_online: Q3) As a learner, I used formative to improve – other ppl crunched summative #’s. As designer, I keep that in mind. #lrnchat
6:24:01 pm reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:24:06 pm LnDDave: too much multi-tasking tonight. Wish I could focus on the great #lrnchat discussion exclusively.
6:24:07 pm weisblatt: @Quinnovator Multiple choice measures your ability to guess. #lrnchat
6:24:15 pm kkapp: @cmeadvocate You disagree? #lrnchat
6:24:27 pm KristiBroom: Having the same problem RT @JaneBozarth: OK I know im supposed to be concentrating, but the Greys musical episode is exceptional.#lrnchat
6:24:30 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator Yes…I wanted to say it again! #lrnchat
6:24:42 pm cmeadvocate: interesting…depends on the intention no? RT @NixTheNext: Q2) Learning data should be used to measure training, not learner.#lrnchat
6:24:52 pm odguru: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:24:57 pm mikeberta: RT @kelly_smith01 …Social Media liike Twitter.. is a great tool for collecting some summative data. #lrnchat – Perhaps better in formative
6:25:01 pm cr8ivetraining: Q3) formative: thru design reviews, pilot testing, feedback – summative: performance reviews, assessments – good luck w/either#lrnchat
6:25:19 pm weisblatt: Q3) Has anyone tried Likert scales to get people to show how they value a solution? #lrnchat
6:25:19 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator you mean multiple guess?😉 #lrnchat < didnt I say that? #lrnchat
6:25:21 pm kathyjeep: RT @LnDDave: too much multi-tasking tonight. Wish I could focus on the great #lrnchat discussion exclusively. > same here
6:25:25 pm shelleyisgoing: Aack! Just realized I kept saying “summative” in my tweets when I meant “formative” – whoops. #lrnchat
6:25:29 pm hjarche: Thanks to the entire lrnchat gang for birthday wishes – now let’s get on with the agenda! #lrnchat
6:25:29 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth gonna have to put that in the drinking game #lrnchat
6:25:38 pm criticallearner: q3> formative- pilot, baby! Let folks who have to use it and then try to do the work on the job tell you what was missed #lrnchat
6:25:43 pm reward75: Q3) To eval levels 3 & 4 requires co-op from outside L&D, often hard to get buy-in #lrnchat
6:25:46 pm edCetraTraining: RT @criticallearner: q3> #lrnchat and ultimately, summative data just comes from the business, now, doesnt it? – does it? #Lrnchat
6:25:48 pm ThomasStone: RT @minutebio: Q3) Find anecdotal feedback mo powerful than properly collected data. Higher ups perk up when they hear it v. charts #lrnchat
6:25:58 pm karenhyder: I think mine aren’t clear what “training” is. #lrnchat
6:26:02 pm weisblatt: @LnDDave I’m getting vertigo watching the feed fly by tonight. #lrnchat
6:26:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @weisblatt: @Quinnovator Multiple choice measures your ability to guess. #lrnchat < unless designed well, but as @kkapp says: ‘rare’
6:26:16 pm KristiBroom: @janebozarth but maybe we can make it work: formative – love it. Summative: TBD. L1 – great. L2 – learned they can sing. L3/L4 TBD#lrnchat
6:26:25 pm minutebio: Q3) I explain to participts why we evaluate and why need feedback and what will be done w it. They tend to giv mo, honest feedbck#lrnchat
6:26:51 pm Quinnovator: RT @reward75: Q3) To eval levels 3 & 4 requires co-op from outside L&D, often hard to get buy-in #lrnchat < why L&D marginalized
6:26:55 pm kasey428: Q3) alpha and beta testing for formative and the smile sheets for summative #lrnchat
6:27:02 pm MMTingley: RT @minutebio: Q3) Find anecdotal feedback mo powerful than properly collected data. #lrnchat
6:27:10 pm kkapp: #lrnchat Formative for the creation of the training, pilot test, creating better instruction, unfortunately left out of process too often…
6:27:13 pm britz: RT @mikeberta: RT @kelly_smith01 SoMe like Twitr is a great tool for collecting some summative data. – Perhaps better in formative #lrnchat
6:27:21 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @criticallearner: q3> formative- pilot, baby! Let folks who have to use it and tell you what was missed #lrnchat
6:27:38 pm minutebio: I think #Tweetdeck is down for me #lrnchat
6:27:42 pm reward75: RT @weisblatt: Multiple choice measures your ability to guess. < Yup, are you smart enough to not pick the obvious wrong answer #lrnchat
6:28:02 pm JaneBozarth: @KristiBroom very good #lrnchat
6:28:04 pm odguru: RT @minutebio: Q3) explain to participts why we evaluate & need feedback & what will be done w it. Tend to giv mo, honest feedbck #lrnchat
6:28:04 pm NixTheNext: anyone else having issue with TweetChat? Tried Chrome & FF, both catching😦 #lrnchat
6:28:29 pm Quinnovator: are we breaking twitter? #lrnchat
6:28:44 pm weisblatt: Q3) I question some formative. People criticize to boost their egos. #lrnchat
6:28:47 pm cr8ivetraining: Q3) hardest part of formative/summative data gathering: getting them to understand why you need the data. #lrnchat
6:28:48 pm cmeadvocate: Anyone use the Moore model (see JCEHP)? RT @adhaliwal: “The Kirkpatrick Model – Have we not moved on?” #lrnchat
6:28:56 pm kkapp: #lrnchat anecdotal evidence collected systematically and consistently is actually not anecdotal
6:29:00 pm minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: are we breaking twitter? #lrnchat
6:29:13 pm souzifrancis: Having to end #lrnchat early…thnx for all the #learning folks!!!!
6:29:20 pm KristiBroom: Q1/Q2/Q3 I think the question is “so what”? What are you going to do, ethically, with data, and how is does it lead to improvements#lrnchat
6:29:21 pm kelly_smith01: Use SoMe to gather information (and obtain feedback) after trainees return to the job (and are ON the job). #lrnchat
6:29:28 pm shelleyisgoing: Was having issues earlier in chat RT @NixTheNext: anyone else having issue with TweetChat? Tried Chrome & FF, both catching :(#lrnchat
6:29:28 pm LorettaDonovan: @kasey428 XXX Smile sheets. Room temp, chairs, food, lights . . . good grief. What else can they complain about? #lrnchat
6:29:31 pm kasey428: RT @Quinnovator: are we breaking twitter? >> it’s possible #lrnchat
6:29:36 pm Quinnovator: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat anecdotal evidence collected systematically and consistently is actually not anecdotal < yes!
6:29:44 pm kkapp: #Lrnchat Formative=This soup needs more salt. Summative=That meal was great
6:29:48 pm souzifrancis: @gabrielleashton Awesome to meet you via #lrnchat tonight!!!!🙂 Hopefully we can keep in touch…love to hear more about ur job.🙂
6:29:57 pm edCetraTraining: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat anecdotal evidence collected systematically and consistently is actually not anecdotal – good point #Lrnchat
6:00:03 pm Dave_Ferguson: @chrisstjohn Honestly, I am hardly EVER preoccupied with Kirkpatrick. #lrnchat
6:00:18 pm Quinnovator: @marsacat NO, shouldn’t have designed if didn’t already know needed: show ability to *do* afterward: criteria, not delta #lrnchat
6:00:24 pm KristiBroom: Ha! Link? RT @odguru: @JaneBozarth Fav cartoon is a dashboard with a guy saying, “Ive no idea what it means but I love the action.”#lrnchat
6:00:24 pm weisblatt: Q1) Rumour has it that auditors are starting to ask whether people learned. #lrnchat
6:00:27 pm kasey428: Q1) Must collect specific data for continuing education credits #lrnchat
6:00:31 pm pattichurch: Measurement seems to more important than ever. Smile index only goes so far. Adoption of skills is what needs to be measured.#lrnchat
6:00:38 pm kellygarber: @weisblatt whether it was right/wrong wasn’t the question though.🙂 #lrnchat
6:00:39 pm kasey428: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @chrisstjohn Honestly, I am hardly EVER preoccupied with Kirkpatrick. #lrnchat
6:01:04 pm nickcharney: @hjarche huge reorg implications for orgs that have divisions responsible for learning (i.e. CSPS and #goc) #lrnchat
6:01:09 pm weisblatt: Problem with reporting on outcomes is that the org would actually have to decide on outcomes. #lrnchat
6:01:17 pm criticallearner: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Collect/present data in a way other internal organization collect/present data.(EZ for execs.) #lrnchat
6:01:20 pm MMTingley: Q1) We actually find the learner comments to be the most valuable of all data currently collected. #lrnchat
6:01:20 pm Quinnovator: @weisblatt should be the default (or by pass the LMS altogether😉 #lrnchat
6:01:21 pm mrch0mp3rs: Who said Kirkpatrick? Who? Drink. #lrnchat
6:01:27 pm CUtrain: RT @kasey428: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @chrisstjohn Honestly, I am hardly EVER preoccupied with Kirkpatrick. #lrnchat>> double drink
6:01:34 pm edCetraTraining: @hjarche one day our vapor ROI models for ‘learning’ will disappear and our work will be an essential line item in a p&l report#Lrnchat
6:01:39 pm cr8ivetraining: Ack! Actual Learning during Compliance Training?? RT @weisblatt: Q1) auditors are starting to ask whether people learned. #lrnchat
6:01:44 pm weisblatt: Yes that’s the sad part. I’ve been there. RT @kellygarber: @weisblatt whether it was right/wrong wasnt the question though.🙂 #lrnchat
6:01:52 pm lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:01:57 pm Quinnovator: @MMTingley subjective feedback useful if self-efficacious learners, but otherwise… #lrnchat
6:02:05 pm mrch0mp3rs: I’m tucking kids in bed and the Twitterverse cries out “Kirkpatrick.” #lrnchat
6:02:13 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:02:18 pm kellygarber: We aren’t going to make it to Q2 at this rate … RT @mrch0mp3rs: Who said Kirkpatrick? Who? Drink. #lrnchat
6:02:20 pm KristiBroom: Doesn’t matter — someone will say it again🙂 Kirkpatrick. Kirkpatrick again. RT @mrch0mp3rs: Who said Kirkpatrick? Who? Drink.#lrnchat
6:02:25 pm edCetraTraining: Q2) no #Lrnchat
6:02:26 pm pmtrainer: RT @weisblatt: Problem with reporting on outcomes is the org would actually have to decide on outcomes.<that would be painful #lrnchat
6:02:32 pm NixTheNext: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:02:33 pm KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:02:35 pm pmtrainer: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:02:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: MAKE IT STOP!!!!! THE LEVEL 3 HUMANITY!!!!!! #lrnchat
6:02:58 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) I think it depends on what you collect and with whom you share it. #lrnchat
6:03:03 pm JaneBozarth: Q2 Lord yes. #lrnchat
6:03:13 pm odguru: Getting some learning metrics in ERP including correlations between ind. learning plans & better scores on Ipsos Reid client data. #lrnchat
6:03:13 pm weisblatt: @kellygarber Groups used to boast about volume, then org said why aren’t these people working? #lrnchat
6:03:14 pm kathyjeep: Jumping in a little late RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:03:19 pm reward75: Q1) In my experience, people say they need metrics but don’t know what information they want to know. #lrnchat
6:03:24 pm cr8ivetraining: Q2) the data should be meaningful to whichever audience is reviewing it. Business, Learner, Sponsor #lrnchat
6:03:29 pm souzifrancis: Q2) that has to depend on what type of data you are collecting….#lrnchat
6:03:31 pm criticallearner: RT @edCetraTraining: @hjarche one day our vapor ROI models for ‘learning’ will disappear and our work will be an essential line item in a p&l report #Lrnchat
6:03:39 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:03:42 pm hjarche: @edCetraTraining at that time L&D (in its present form) will be redundant #lrnchat
6:03:47 pm marsacat: need to be careful as to how we use the data; not to single out students based on race/gender/religion- high expectations for all #lrnchat
6:03:48 pm KristiBroom: RT @reward75: Q1) In my experience, people say they need metrics but dont know what information they want to know. #lrnchat
6:03:49 pm kellygarber: Q2) big ethical issue if the why/what is to manipulate results instead of measure performance #lrnchat
6:03:52 pm britz: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:03:54 pm reward75: Regina Ward, Sorry to be late😦 #lrnchat
6:03:57 pm JaneBozarth: q2 do your learners know what you collect, why, where kept, how long, how used ? Panopticon is real… #lrnchat
6:04:03 pm kasey428: RT @reward75: Q1) In my experience, people say they need metrics but dont know what information they want to know. #lrnchat
6:04:05 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:04:11 pm LnDDave: Q2) Any time data is collected without a set plan for it’s use, you’re opening the door to ethical issues. #lrnchat
6:04:15 pm NixTheNext: Q2) just to be clear- what qualifies as Learning Data? ’cause I can’t see any ethical issue with, ‘did you learn’? #lrnchat
6:04:19 pm bearclau: Q2) Medical prof has HIPAA laws, are there similar privacy laws/guidelines for training? #lrnchat
6:04:19 pm manage_lead: Q2) yes if learners believe our jobs depend on it they may feel pressured to answer positively. #lrnchat
6:04:28 pm kellygarber: Exactly. RT @weisblatt: @kellygarber Groups used to boast about volume, then org said why arent these people working? #lrnchat
6:04:32 pm minutebio: Q2) Only if you won’t let them leave the training room w-out completing the smile sheet. #lrnchat
6:04:33 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) What’cha gonna do with all that unethical data you just collected? #lrnchat
6:04:38 pm JaneBozarth: I think it’s unethical for L&D to spend org]s money on LMS that produces 96 reports they don’t use. #lrnchat
6:04:42 pm kwheeler: Has anyone met a CEO who cared about learning stats? #lrnchat #corplearn
6:04:50 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) Ethical issue – Can you separate learning analytics from job performance evaluation. #lrnchat
6:04:51 pm JaneBozarth: RT @weisblatt: @kellygarber Groups used to boast about volume, then org said why arent these people working? #lrnchat
6:04:52 pm pmtrainer: RT @NixTheNext: Q2) just to be clear- what qualifies as Learning Data? cause I cant see any ethical issue with, did you learn? #lrnchat
6:04:55 pm cr8ivetraining: Q2) ethical issues always arise when using statistics – keep the numbers real and meaningful #lrnchat
6:04:57 pm Quinnovator: RT @minutebio: Q2) Only if you won’t let them leave the training room w-out completing the smile sheet. #lrnchat < absolutely
6:05:05 pm weisblatt: Q2) Has anyone dealt with EU strict privacy laws on learning data? #lrnchat
6:05:07 pm kkapp: Q2) Business wants metrics to measure productivity, L&D folks need that & info to improve training #lrnchat
6:05:11 pm kathyjeep: Q2) I think there is potential especially if you are measuring L2 #lrnchat
6:05:15 pm kellygarber: RT @JaneBozarth: I think its unethical for L&D to spend org]s money on LMS that produces 96 reports they dont use. #lrnchat
6:05:18 pm criticallearner: RT @kellygarber: Q2) big ethical issue if the why/what is to manipulate results instead of measure performance #lrnchat
6:05:25 pm Quinnovator: @LnDDave and even *with* a set plan, should be transparent #lrnchat
6:05:36 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @cr8ivetraining: Q2) ethical issues always arise when using statistics – keep the numbers real and meaningful #lrnchat
6:05:37 pm hjarche: @nickcharney starting to think I don’t really care – let them die, IMO #lrnchat
6:05:37 pm odguru: Q2) if u consider spending money 2 collect information with vague and untimely enough to be useless unethical – then yes it can be. #lrnchat
6:05:37 pm pmtrainer: RT @JaneBozarth: I think its unethical for L&D to spend orgs money on LMS that produces 96 reports they dont use. #lrnchat
6:05:39 pm karenhyder: #lrnchat Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc.
6:05:40 pm edCetraTraining: RT @JaneBozarth: I think its unethical for L&D to spend org]s money on LMS that produces 96 reports they dont use. – true dat#Lrnchat
6:05:43 pm reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: I think its unethical for L&D to spend org’s money on LMS that produces 96 reports they dont use. < I agree! #lrnchat
6:05:47 pm minutebio: RT @criticallearner: RT @kellygarber: Q2) big ethical issue if the why/what is to manipulate results instead of measure performance#lrnchat
6:05:48 pm JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. #lrnchat
6:05:53 pm lmockford: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1)In my experience, orgs collect the EASY stuff (enrollments, completions, pass rates) but not the IMPORTANT stuff #lrnchat
6:05:53 pm kkapp: q2) training = continuous improvement or why do it? #lrnchat
6:05:55 pm KristiBroom: RT @criticallearner: RT @kellygarber: Q2) big ethical issue if the why/what is to manipulate results instead of measure performance#lrnchat
6:05:57 pm chrisstjohn: Q1) Data collected on 135,000 students in DoD civ workforce for transcripts to validate mandatory 80 hrs training every 2 years. #lrnchat
6:06:06 pm kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:06:11 pm Quinnovator: RT @karenhyder: #lrnchat Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc. < why not?
6:06:26 pm LorettaDonovan: @JaneBozarth It’s not a question of ethics to use an LMS that collect unnecessary data. It’s just lacking in strategic purpose.#lrnchat
6:06:28 pm kasey428: RT @karenhyder: Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc. #lrnchat
6:06:29 pm Quinnovator: RT @kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see. #lrnchat < bingo!
6:06:33 pm JamesBSchultz: @kwheeler, I’m a CEO and I care about learning stats #lrnchat
6:06:38 pm sillym0nkey: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. #lrnchat
6:06:45 pm criticallearner: q2> #lrnchat fewer ethical issues w/collecting data if you align with performance data collected to do work (stuff they r already rated on)
6:06:47 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see. #lrnchat #corplearn#lrnchat
6:06:50 pm LnDDave: Q2) Ethical concerns are one reason I don’t share ‘data’ unless specifically asked for. I share stories based on my data. #lrnchat
6:06:56 pm weisblatt: Q2) Sometimes learning data is used to shutdown redundant learning departments. Is that unethical? #lrnchat
6:06:58 pm Quinnovator: RT @kkapp: q2) training = continuous improvement or why do it? #lrnchat < long term relationship FTW!
6:07:12 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) Using analytics to assess job performance. Instead of effectiveness of training. #lrnchat
6:07:20 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. #lrnchat < evil!
6:07:21 pm SueSchnorr: RT @Minutebio Q2) Only if you won’t let them leave the training room w-out completing the smile sheet. #lrnchat good one, Jeff lol
6:07:22 pm pmtrainer: RT @weisblatt: Q2) Sometimes learning data is used to shutdown redundant learning departments. Is that unethical? #lrnchat
6:07:33 pm kwheeler: @sillym0nkey Do you mean you car about learning outcomes or teh typical stats we parrot? #lrnchat #corplearn
6:07:36 pm minutebio: Q2) Have seen evals used only to make participants think their opinion matters and the evals are never read by trainer – unethical #lrnchat
6:07:40 pm edCetraTraining: RT @Quinnovator: RT @karenhyder: #lrnchat Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc. < why not?- is it used?#Lrnchat
6:07:42 pm cr8ivetraining: @odguru Yes! Spending money to collect data that is meaningless is unethical – e.g. was the coffee hot? #lrnchat
6:07:48 pm NixTheNext: Q2) Learning data is not behavior modification. Learning data shouldn’t be used to measure emp.; lack of behavior mod should. #lrnchat
6:07:48 pm weisblatt: I haven’t seen anything but. RT @sillym0nkey: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. #lrnchat
6:07:48 pm chrisstjohn: Q2) Ethics in data collecting? Not in this Administration. #lrnchat
6:07:49 pm Quinnovator: Q2) use data to learner *and* org’s benefit, or you’re off the ClueTrain #lrnchat
6:07:50 pm reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. < Sounds like No Child Left Behind #lrnchat
6:07:59 pm pattichurch: RT @kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:08:06 pm JaneBozarth: RT @minutebio: Q2) seen evals used only to make participants think their opinion matters and the evals are never read by trainer#lrnchat
6:08:08 pm weisblatt: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. < Sounds like No Child Left Behind #lrnchat
6:08:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. < Sounds like No Child Left Behind #lrnchat < well-played!
6:08:15 pm JaneBozarth: data gathered onlyto spin #lrnchat
6:08:18 pm NixTheNext: Q2) Learning data should be used to measure training, not learner. #lrnchat
6:08:33 pm criticallearner: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat- it’s measured that only 5% of LMS reports at our org drives value/decisions (for the money spent- YIKES)
6:08:34 pm sillym0nkey: RT @minutebio: Q2) Have seen evals used 2 make participants think their opinion matters & evals r never read by trainer -unethical#lrnchat
6:08:35 pm JaneBozarth: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: have seen data used to punish. < Sounds like No Child Left Behind #lrnchat
6:08:39 pm britz: Q2) the ethics issue is in the use of more co. time & resources to manipulate the numbers than using them to improve results #lrnchat
6:08:46 pm kathyjeep: RT @minutebio: Q2) Have seen evals used only to make part think their opinion matters & the evals never read by trainer – unethical#lrnchat
6:08:59 pm Quinnovator: @JamesBSchultz yeah, but you’re here in #lrnchat, clearly you’re unusual😉
6:09:03 pm edCetraTraining: Q2) let’s be honest though about the data collected. Based on a high school model where reward and punishment are part of the sys. #Lrnchat
6:09:06 pm odguru: Fab prez by Simon Buckingham Shum on learning analytics refs models 4 ethics in learning data collection. http://alturl.com/r8xi3 #lrnchat
6:09:11 pm JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind should’ve been called No Teacher Left Standing. #lrnchat
6:09:11 pm kelly_smith01: Data gathered in the same manner regardless of the modality of training delivered, #lrnchat
6:09:26 pm JaneBozarth: @reward75 Did you enjoy LS? #lrnchat
6:09:34 pm weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing. #lrnchat
6:09:41 pm Quinnovator: RT @NixTheNext: Q2) Learning data should be used to measure training, not learner. #lrnchat < no, performance, not training
6:09:42 pm sillym0nkey: Q2) have seen evals used to gather data and data doesn’t relate to reality #lrnchat
6:09:42 pm LorettaDonovan: @weisblatt:”Smetmes lrng data is used 2 shutdown redundant learning depts. Is that unethical?” It’s unethical 2 ignore redundancy.#lrnchat
6:09:51 pm davidbell02: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Are there ethical issues in collecting learning data? #lrnchat
6:09:53 pm criticallearner: @kelly_smith01 the only reason to sep learning data from perf data is to show “they can do it, but something else is blocking xfer”#lrnchat
6:09:58 pm kwheeler: Stats of any kind are used to punish. Look what happens to stocks prices when resutls are weak. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:10:14 pm hjarche: Q2) frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn #lrnchat
6:10:18 pm reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing. <LOL! I agree! #lrnchat
6:10:26 pm kasey428: Q2) Our evals are not read by instructors often. They don’t want to know. All our instructors are SMEs. #lrnchat
6:10:33 pm JamesBSchultz: @Quinnovator Darn that is the same thing my mentor told me this week! #lrnchat
6:10:35 pm chrisstjohn: Q2) Collected but never published #lrnchat
6:10:38 pm karenhyder: Quinnovator: #lrnchat Q2) they know what is collected, but not how used, etc. < why not? Not sure why not.
6:10:42 pm CUtrain: RT@Quinnovator: RT@kwheeler: I think learning providers need stats and feedback, but the corp wants outcomes that they see.#lrnchat < bingo!
6:10:45 pm JaneBozarth: RT @criticallearner it’s measured that only 5% of LMS reports at our org drives value/decisions (for the money spent- YIKES) #lrnchat
6:10:45 pm LorettaDonovan: RT@kelly_smith01 the only reason 2 sep learning data frm perf data is to show “they can do it, but something else is blocking xfer”#lrnchat
6:10:51 pm kelly_smith01: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing.#lrnchat
6:10:55 pm Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: Q2) frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn #lrnchat < sounds like ethically challenged😉
6:11:00 pm sillym0nkey: RT @LorettaDonovan: @weisblatt:”Smtmes data used 2 shutdown redundant lrning depts. unethical?” unethical 2 ignore redundancy.#lrnchat
6:11:03 pm LorettaDonovan: @hjarche Happy Birthday #lrnchat
6:11:04 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing.#lrnchat
6:11:12 pm adhaliwal: Q2) The Kirkpatrick Model was developed in the 50s. Have we not moved on? #lrnchat
6:11:16 pm kelly_smith01: RT @LorettaDonovan: @hjarche Happy Birthday #lrnchat
6:11:21 pm criticallearner: RT @kelly_smith01: Q2) Using analytics to assess job performance. Instead of effectiveness of training. #lrnchat
6:11:32 pm Quinnovator: RT @LorettaDonovan: @hjarche Happy Birthday #lrnchat yes, told him so privately, but public outing is ethical, yes?🙂
6:11:34 pm reward75: @JaneBozarth Yes, I loved the conference. Particularly getting to meet lrnchatters I haven’t met before😀 #lrnchat
6:11:40 pm davidbell02: RT @Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: Q2) frankly my dear, I dont give a damn #lrnchat < sounds like ethically challenged😉 #lrnchat
6:11:41 pm kkapp: #lrnchat stats can’t measure relationships built in class or “aha” moments, usually just measure multiple choice anwrs not learning #lrnchat
6:11:41 pm edCetraTraining: RT @kwheeler: Stats of any kind are used to punish. Look what happens to stocks prices when resutls are weak. – not web analytics #Lrnchat
6:11:50 pm MMTingley: RT @adhaliwal: Q2) The Kirkpatrick Model was developed in the 50s. Have we not moved on? #lrnchat
6:11:56 pm mikeberta: Q0 #lrnchat – Staying current always pays off – relearned
6:11:59 pm JaneBozarth: @adhaliwal apparently not. #lrnchat
6:12:05 pm hjarche: @LorettaDonovan thanks, Loretta – I feel much younger😉 #lrnchat
6:12:19 pm nickcharney: @hjarche I don’t have a problem with it either, what I have a problem with is the time it will take to make the the transition #lrnchat
6:12:31 pm kelly_smith01: So many that have limited grasp of managing performance improvement use Kirkpatrick for life support. #lrnchat
6:12:34 pm kkapp: @adhaliwal #lrnchat we seem to be moving backward….
6:12:35 pm sillym0nkey: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat stats cant measure relationships built n class or aha moments, just measure multiple choice anwrs not learning#lrnchat
6:12:44 pm weisblatt: Q2) To be fair, learning takes resources (time and money). You need data to be accountable for using resources #lrnchat
6:12:45 pm kwheeler: @hjarche Happy Birthday. Always younger, always smarter! #lrnchat #corplearn
6:12:51 pm nickcharney: @hjarche and the associated costs w/keeping an old paradigm alive when a new one is ready to supplant it #lrnchat
6:12:51 pm kasey428: Kirkpatrick retired. Things change. #lrnchat
6:12:55 pm LnDDave: Q2) I don’t think collecting data is unethical. It’s how we collect it and how the data is used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:12:57 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @adhaliwal: “The Kirkpatrick Model was developed in the 50s. Have we not moved on?” Many of us use Phillips and xfer.#lrnchat
6:13:13 pm weisblatt: RT @MMTingley: RT @adhaliwal: Q2) The Kirkpatrick Model was developed in the 50s. Have we not moved on? #lrnchat
6:13:22 pm sillym0nkey: RT @kasey428: Kirkpatrick retired. Things change. #lrnchat
6:13:25 pm jengallmeyer: RT @weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Friend says No Child Left Behind shouldve been called No Teacher Left Standing.#lrnchat
6:13:27 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) I’ve seen lots of meaningless data collected and never used. That’s a dilemma but not sure it’s an ethical one. #lrnchat
6:13:30 pm JaneBozarth: Yes & it’s discouraging. RT @kkapp: we seem to be moving backward…. #lrnchat
6:13:40 pm KristiBroom: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it & how data is used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:13:43 pm Quinnovator: @kkapp I like relationships, think are important, but how about outcomes? e.g. new ability to *do*? #lrnchat
6:13:43 pm kwheeler: Even Kirkpatrick didn;t like his own model, or so he told me once at an ASTD conf. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:13:44 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it & how it’s used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:13:47 pm kasey428: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it & how data is used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:13:58 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @jsuzcampos: Q2) Ive seen lots of meaningless data collected and never used. Thats a dilemma but not sure its an ethical one.#lrnchat
6:14:00 pm reward75: RT @jsuzcampos: Q2) Ive seen lots of meaningless data collected and never used. Thats a dilemma but not sure its an ethical one.#lrnchat
6:14:07 pm ThomasStone: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) use data to learner *and* org’s benefit, or you’re off the ClueTrain #lrnchat
6:14:09 pm pmtrainer: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it how the data used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:14:11 pm adhaliwal: RT @JaneBozarth: Yes & it’s discouraging. RT @kkapp: we seem to be moving backward…. #lrnchat
6:14:18 pm Quinnovator: RT @LnDDave: Q2) don’t think collecting data is unethical. It’s how we collect and how used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:14:19 pm cr8ivetraining: Q2) We moved from the Age of Info, to the age of Too Much Info, and now don’t know what to do with it. #lrnchat
6:14:19 pm weisblatt: RT @kwheeler: Even Kirkpatrick didn;t like his own model, or so he told me once at an ASTD conf. #lrnchat #corplearn #lrnchat
6:14:20 pm californiakara: Q2) You smile sheet haters. Those poor unassuming sheets of uselessness have feelings! #hatersgonnahate #lrnchat
6:14:20 pm mikeberta: #lrnchat Q2) The use of assessment data used to terminate or discipline ‘ees instead of provide positive growth or changes in instruction
6:14:25 pm reward75: RT @LnDDave: Q2) I dont think collecting data is unethical. Its how we collect it & how its used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:14:30 pm kkapp: @LorettaDonovan @adhaliwal #lrnchat…Phillips not much unlike Kirkpatrick😦 just one more level
6:14:31 pm shelleyisgoing: @MMTingley @adhaliwal @kasey428 What should we measure that’s not included in Kirkpatrick model? (I assume ROI in level 4)#lrnchat
6:14:49 pm KristiBroom: RT @cr8ivetraining: Q2) We moved from the Age of Info, to the age of Too Much Info, and now dont know what to do with it. #lrnchat
6:14:56 pm britz: @jengallmeyer @weisblatt @JaneBozarth @reward75 I was a teacher during some of NCLB …it was a horrible existence #lrnchat
6:15:06 pm JaneBozarth: RT @mikebertaThe use of assessment data used to terminate/discipline instead of provide positive growth or changes in instruction#lrnchat
6:15:14 pm adhaliwal: RT @kkapp: @LorettaDonovan @adhaliwal #lrnchat…Phillips not much unlike Kirkpatrick😦 just one more level. I agree completely.
6:15:15 pm kellygarber: Maybe how we “sort”? RT @LnDDave: Q2) …Its how we collect it and how the data is used that raises ethical concerns. #lrnchat
6:15:15 pm lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:20 pm weisblatt: What is the ROI of measuring ROI? #lrnchat
6:15:22 pm pmtrainer: RT @cr8ivetraining: Q2) We moved from the Age of Info, to the age of Too Much Info, and now dont know what to do with it. #lrnchat
6:15:22 pm odguru: RT @JaneBozarth: Yes & it’s discouraging. RT @kkapp: we seem to be moving backward< let’s try to think of it as cleanse & refocus.#lrnchat
6:15:35 pm kwheeler: RT @weisblatt: What is the ROI of measuring ROI? #lrnchat
6:15:35 pm minutebio: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:35 pm kkapp: @shelleyisgoing @MMTingley @adhaliwal @kasey428 how about organizational performance, task improvements, items mattering to client#lrnchat
6:15:36 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @californiakara: Q2) You smile sheet haters. Those poor unassuming sheets of uselessness have feelings! #lrnchat
6:15:40 pm pmtrainer: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:44 pm KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:44 pm LorettaDonovan: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:15:53 pm edCetraTraining: Q3)someone needs to drink for that #Lrnchat
6:15:58 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:00 pm kathyjeep: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:02 pm sillym0nkey: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:02 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:08 pm chrisstjohn: Q3) periodic IPTs and Focus Groups #lrnchat
6:16:09 pm JaneBozarth: @weisblatt wait let me ask the unicorn… #lrnchat
6:16:20 pm JamesBSchultz: Q2) To much information and data killing innovation #lrnchat
6:16:21 pm Quinnovator: OK, I’ll say it: nothing wrong with K’patrick IF start *and* end w/ Level 4. Anything else is putting lipstick on the proverbial #lrnchat
6:16:28 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:16:30 pm kerina: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
6:16:48 pm hjarche: Q3) I collect stories, that’s how I collect data in perpetual Beta #lrnchat
6:16:56 pm minutebio: Q3) I collect formative data as soon as I see the 1st participant roll his/her eyes in class #lrnchat
6:16:58 pm LorettaDonovan: Q3) Conference calls, focus groups, surveys . . . and Appreciative Inquiry #lrnchat
6:16:59 pm JaneBozarth: Q3. Involve end users in assessment and development; use iterative eval; test as you go; use SoMe for reflective intersession work#lrnchat
6:17:00 pm kelly_smith01: Q4) Collected formative data via interviews and survey and regretfully sometimes “feel.” #lrnchat
6:17:04 pm davidbell02: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:17:06 pm lmockford: RT @lrnchat: Rule4. Remember to include #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com work well. #fln
6:17:10 pm hackofalltrades: RT @hjarche: Q3) I collect stories, that’s how I collect data in perpetual Beta #lrnchat
6:17:13 pm mikeberta: RT @weisblatt: What is the ROI of measuring ROI? #lrnchat
6:17:15 pm MMTingley: Q3) How much time to people have to collect Formative, Summative data? #lrnchat
6:17:20 pm kkapp: @Quinnovator #lrnchat…outcomes…yes, absolutely. Yes.
6:17:24 pm JaneBozarth: Great- RT @minutebio: Q3) I collect formative data as soon as I see the 1st participant roll his/her eyes in class #lrnchat
6:17:25 pm shelleyisgoing: @kkapp – Agree that is the priority…and I think of it as Level 4 / Org Impact. =) #lrnchat
6:17:34 pm kkapp: RT @Quinnovator: @kkapp I like relationships, think are important, but how about outcomes? e.g. new ability to *do*? #lrnchat
6:17:39 pm weisblatt: I buy into measuring performance instead of learning activity but how do you correlate learning with performance? #lrnchat
6:17:43 pm britz: Q3) All data collected with exception of business results is formative, no? #lrnchat
6:17:47 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @hjarche: Q3) I collect stories, thats how I collect data in perpetual Beta ** Wonderful way to learn informally ;-)** #lrnchat
6:17:51 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat
6:17:58 pm Quinnovator: @MMTingley build it into the process/system. How do you know whether OK, needs tweak, or kill? #lrnchat
6:18:03 pm odguru: Formative is in the discussion forum and polling. Summative evaluated by person and mentor. #lrnchat
6:18:07 pm lmockford: RT @lrnchat: Rule4. Remember to include #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com work well.
6:18:10 pm minutebio: q3) I only collect summative data for my own sick, unethical purposes🙂 #lrnchat
6:18:11 pm sillym0nkey: Q3) Recently seen this: trng depts taken over by biz units – few trng pros on project &no evals #lrnchat
6:18:19 pm davidbell02: Q3) I believe I need to spend more time collecting and analyzing data? #lrnchat
6:18:22 pm LnDDave: “@lrnchat: Q3) How are you collecting formative and summative data now? #lrnchat”
6:18:26 pm edCetraTraining: Q3) seriously…. #Lrnchat
6:18:30 pm shelleyisgoing: Agree completely! RT @Quinnovator: OK, Ill say it: nothing wrong with Kpatrick IF start *and* end w/ Level 4. #lrnchat
6:18:31 pm weisblatt: Q3) Did the solution solve the problem? #lrnchat
6:18:35 pm mikeberta: #lrnchat Q3) Orgs seem reluctant to collect summative data perceived as ‘ee testing. I measure performance outcomes after the intervention
6:18:39 pm Quinnovator: @kkapp and agree, multiple guess is usually not useful tool (can be, but that’s another topic😉 #lrnchat
6:18:45 pm kelly_smith01: RT @sillym0nkey: Q3) Recently seen this: trng depts taken over by biz units – few trng pros on project &no evals #lrnchat
6:18:58 pm odguru: @minutebio Mez perv! #lrnchat
6:18:59 pm LnDDave: Q3) I stop talking and start listening. #lrnchat
6:19:09 pm cr8ivetraining: Depends on what you are collecting RT @britz: Q3) All data collected with exception of business results is formative, no? #lrnchat
6:19:17 pm reward75: Q3) We don’t do any real evaluation bcuz I don’t think my supervisors know what that is #lrnchat
6:19:20 pm kkapp: @weisblatt Good Q…tie learning objectives to performance objectives & do some pre-post assessments…hardly ever done but gold #lrnchat
6:19:24 pm NixTheNext: Q3) vocab lesson for me😉 We use knowledge checks thruout instruction; Level 2 quizzes @ end (excuse Kirkpatrick reference; drink)#lrnchat
6:19:25 pm shelleyisgoing: tee hee RT @minutebio: q3) I only collect summative data for my own sick, unethical purposes🙂 #lrnchat
6:19:37 pm JaneBozarth: Say it. RT @reward75: Q3) We dont do any real evaluation bcuz I dont think my supervisors know what that is #lrnchat
6:19:40 pm Quinnovator: RT @britz: Q3) All data collected with exception of business results is formative, no? #lrnchat < should be (and even biz results)
6:19:50 pm kwheeler: Gotta run. Great chat. #lrnchat #corplearn
6:19:51 pm SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:20:00 pm kelly_smith01: Q4) Summative evaluation has been on my Christmas list for years #lrnchat
6:20:03 pm Quinnovator: RT @LnDDave: Q3) I stop talking and start listening. #lrnchat
6:20:13 pm ajeanne: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Summative evaluation has been on my Christmas list for years #lrnchat
6:20:13 pm minutebio: Q3) Find anecdotal feedback mo powerful than properly collected data. Seems higher ups perk up when they hear it v. charts #lrnchat
6:20:14 pm LnDDave: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:20:18 pm criticallearner: q3> #lrnchat lots of scenario based tests (developed from act. field situations), surveys to get stories from the workplace application
6:20:19 pm britz: Q3) we use a SoMe (blogs) during the new hire on boarding to capture formative data #lrnchat
6:20:28 pm kathyjeep: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Summative evaluation has been on my Christmas list for years #lrnchat
6:20:32 pm cmeadvocate: For all CME tweeps & those interested in #CMEchat – you have to check out the current conversation on #lrnchat – and follow @Quinnovator
6:20:35 pm JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:20:48 pm JaneBozarth: RT @britz: Q3) we use a SoMe (blogs) during the new hire on boarding to capture formative data #lrnchat
6:20:48 pm kkapp: @Quinnovator True multiple choice can be good but seldom ever is…in the wrong hands, its deadly & many of the wrong hands have it#lrnchat
6:20:55 pm adhaliwal: Gotta run. Sun finally shining in the Bay Area. Great insight. Thanks All. #lrnchat
6:20:55 pm shelleyisgoing: Q3) Early summative from assmnts, learner/trainer feedback, class observation, and OJT portions of training #lrnchat
6:20:56 pm NixTheNext: Q3) Old school approach abounds, tho- one ind. said, “why should they be allowed to retry?” on non-scored game interaction. #lrnchat
6:20:58 pm KristiBroom: Q3) f2f formative helps to get multiple levels of feedback and make quick adjustments #lrnchat
6:21:02 pm Quinnovator: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Summative evaluation has been on my Christmas list for years #lrnchat < you’re witty but frequently absent. Merry!
6:21:05 pm hjarche: @SueSchnorr thanks, Sue – I’m working on it🙂 #lrnchat
6:21:14 pm edCetraTraining: Q3) any data collected related to the consumption of content and it’s impact to the business should be ‘formative’ and never ‘sum’#Lrnchat
6:21:28 pm NixTheNext: Q3) I <3’d live tweeting at #ls2011! Brilliant formative data and reinforcement! #lrnchat
6:21:32 pm LorettaDonovan: Sandbox sessions for confirming skills. #lrnchat
6:21:43 pm kasey428: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:21:58 pm kelly_smith01: A4) I think Social Media liike Twitter (with proper design) is a great tool for collecting some summative data. #lrnchat
6:22:00 pm ThomasStone: Agreed. Or close eyes. RT @minutebio: Q3) I collect formative data as soon as I see the 1st participant roll his/her eyes in class#lrnchat
6:22:10 pm SueSchnorr: Q3. many aren’t interested in all the work it takes for Level 3s #lrnchat (sadly, IMHO)
6:22:12 pm Quinnovator: RT @kkapp: multiple choice can be good but seldom ever is…in the wrong hands, its deadly & many of the wrong hands have it#lrnchat < yep
6:22:22 pm cmeadvocate: love to have this debate sometime, but 140 char won’t do it… RT @kkapp: q2) training = continuous improvement or why do it?#lrnchat
6:22:31 pm shelleyisgoing: Q3) Online learning environments w/ social media allows observation, contributes to summative eval #lrnchat
6:22:47 pm weisblatt: Q3) Trying to grok the terms: http://bit.ly/gNB5Mq #lrnchat
6:22:49 pm criticallearner: q3> #lrnchat and ultimately, summative data just comes from the business, now, doesn’t it?
6:22:49 pm JamesBSchultz: Always amazed how hard this for managers and executives. RT @LnDDave: Q3) I stop talking and start listening. #lrnchat
6:22:49 pm Quinnovator: if they’re still awake, they need more feedback #lrnchat
6:22:54 pm JaneBozarth: OK I know i’m supposed to be concentrating on #lrnchat, but the Grey’s musical episode is really exceptional. Wow.
6:22:57 pm shelleyisgoing: Nice! RT @LorettaDonovan: Sandbox sessions for confirming skills. #lrnchat
6:22:59 pm kkapp: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:23:17 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator you mean ‘multiple guess’?😉 #lrnchat
6:23:27 pm pmtrainer: RT @SueSchnorr: Q3. many arent interested in all the work it takes for Level 3s #lrnchat (sadly, IMHO) #lrnchat
6:23:36 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator you mean ‘multiple guess’?😉 #lrnchat < didn’t I say that?
6:23:47 pm JaneBozarth: RT @LorettaDonovan: Sandbox sessions for confirming skills. #lrnchat
6:23:51 pm chambo_online: Q3) As a learner, I used formative to improve – other ppl crunched summative #’s. As designer, I keep that in mind. #lrnchat
6:24:01 pm reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:24:06 pm LnDDave: too much multi-tasking tonight. Wish I could focus on the great #lrnchat discussion exclusively.
6:24:07 pm weisblatt: @Quinnovator Multiple choice measures your ability to guess. #lrnchat
6:24:15 pm kkapp: @cmeadvocate You disagree? #lrnchat
6:24:27 pm KristiBroom: Having the same problem RT @JaneBozarth: OK I know im supposed to be concentrating, but the Greys musical episode is exceptional.#lrnchat
6:24:30 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator Yes…I wanted to say it again! #lrnchat
6:24:42 pm cmeadvocate: interesting…depends on the intention no? RT @NixTheNext: Q2) Learning data should be used to measure training, not learner.#lrnchat
6:24:52 pm odguru: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @SueSchnorr: Happy Birthday @hjarche – wishing you and happy and healthy year! #lrnchat
6:24:57 pm mikeberta: RT @kelly_smith01 …Social Media liike Twitter.. is a great tool for collecting some summative data. #lrnchat – Perhaps better in formative
6:25:01 pm cr8ivetraining: Q3) formative: thru design reviews, pilot testing, feedback – summative: performance reviews, assessments – good luck w/either#lrnchat
6:25:19 pm weisblatt: Q3) Has anyone tried Likert scales to get people to show how they value a solution? #lrnchat
6:25:19 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator you mean multiple guess?😉 #lrnchat < didnt I say that? #lrnchat
6:25:21 pm kathyjeep: RT @LnDDave: too much multi-tasking tonight. Wish I could focus on the great #lrnchat discussion exclusively. > same here
6:25:25 pm shelleyisgoing: Aack! Just realized I kept saying “summative” in my tweets when I meant “formative” – whoops. #lrnchat
6:25:29 pm hjarche: Thanks to the entire lrnchat gang for birthday wishes – now let’s get on with the agenda! #lrnchat
6:25:29 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth gonna have to put that in the drinking game #lrnchat
6:25:38 pm criticallearner: q3> formative- pilot, baby! Let folks who have to use it and then try to do the work on the job tell you what was missed #lrnchat
6:25:43 pm reward75: Q3) To eval levels 3 & 4 requires co-op from outside L&D, often hard to get buy-in #lrnchat
6:25:46 pm edCetraTraining: RT @criticallearner: q3> #lrnchat and ultimately, summative data just comes from the business, now, doesnt it? – does it? #Lrnchat
6:25:48 pm ThomasStone: RT @minutebio: Q3) Find anecdotal feedback mo powerful than properly collected data. Higher ups perk up when they hear it v. charts #lrnchat
6:25:58 pm karenhyder: I think mine aren’t clear what “training” is. #lrnchat
6:26:02 pm weisblatt: @LnDDave I’m getting vertigo watching the feed fly by tonight. #lrnchat
6:26:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @weisblatt: @Quinnovator Multiple choice measures your ability to guess. #lrnchat < unless designed well, but as @kkapp says: ‘rare’
6:26:16 pm KristiBroom: @janebozarth but maybe we can make it work: formative – love it. Summative: TBD. L1 – great. L2 – learned they can sing. L3/L4 TBD#lrnchat
6:26:25 pm minutebio: Q3) I explain to participts why we evaluate and why need feedback and what will be done w it. They tend to giv mo, honest feedbck#lrnchat
6:26:51 pm Quinnovator: RT @reward75: Q3) To eval levels 3 & 4 requires co-op from outside L&D, often hard to get buy-in #lrnchat < why L&D marginalized
6:26:55 pm kasey428: Q3) alpha and beta testing for formative and the smile sheets for summative #lrnchat
6:27:02 pm MMTingley: RT @minutebio: Q3) Find anecdotal feedback mo powerful than properly collected data. #lrnchat
6:27:10 pm kkapp: #lrnchat Formative for the creation of the training, pilot test, creating better instruction, unfortunately left out of process too often…
6:27:13 pm britz: RT @mikeberta: RT @kelly_smith01 SoMe like Twitr is a great tool for collecting some summative data. – Perhaps better in formative #lrnchat
6:27:21 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @criticallearner: q3> formative- pilot, baby! Let folks who have to use it and tell you what was missed #lrnchat
6:27:38 pm minutebio: I think #Tweetdeck is down for me #lrnchat
6:27:42 pm reward75: RT @weisblatt: Multiple choice measures your ability to guess. < Yup, are you smart enough to not pick the obvious wrong answer #lrnchat
6:28:02 pm JaneBozarth: @KristiBroom very good #lrnchat
6:28:04 pm odguru: RT @minutebio: Q3) explain to participts why we evaluate & need feedback & what will be done w it. Tend to giv mo, honest feedbck #lrnchat
6:28:04 pm NixTheNext: anyone else having issue with TweetChat? Tried Chrome & FF, both catching😦 #lrnchat
6:28:29 pm Quinnovator: are we breaking twitter? #lrnchat
6:28:44 pm weisblatt: Q3) I question some formative. People criticize to boost their egos. #lrnchat
6:28:47 pm cr8ivetraining: Q3) hardest part of formative/summative data gathering: getting them to understand why you need the data. #lrnchat
6:28:48 pm cmeadvocate: Anyone use the Moore model (see JCEHP)? RT @adhaliwal: “The Kirkpatrick Model – Have we not moved on?” #lrnchat
6:28:56 pm kkapp: #lrnchat anecdotal evidence collected systematically and consistently is actually not anecdotal
6:29:00 pm minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: are we breaking twitter? #lrnchat
6:29:13 pm souzifrancis: Having to end #lrnchat early…thnx for all the #learning folks!!!!
6:29:20 pm KristiBroom: Q1/Q2/Q3 I think the question is “so what”? What are you going to do, ethically, with data, and how is does it lead to improvements#lrnchat
6:29:21 pm kelly_smith01: Use SoMe to gather information (and obtain feedback) after trainees return to the job (and are ON the job). #lrnchat
6:29:28 pm shelleyisgoing: Was having issues earlier in chat RT @NixTheNext: anyone else having issue with TweetChat? Tried Chrome & FF, both catching :(#lrnchat
6:29:28 pm LorettaDonovan: @kasey428 XXX Smile sheets. Room temp, chairs, food, lights . . . good grief. What else can they complain about? #lrnchat
6:29:31 pm kasey428: RT @Quinnovator: are we breaking twitter? >> it’s possible #lrnchat
6:29:36 pm Quinnovator: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat anecdotal evidence collected systematically and consistently is actually not anecdotal < yes!
6:29:44 pm kkapp: #Lrnchat Formative=This soup needs more salt. Summative=That meal was great
6:29:48 pm souzifrancis: @gabrielleashton Awesome to meet you via #lrnchat tonight!!!!🙂 Hopefully we can keep in touch…love to hear more about ur job.🙂
6:29:57 pm edCetraTraining: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat anecdotal evidence collected systematically and consistently is actually not anecdotal – good point #Lrnchat
6:30:05 pm criticallearner: RT @minutebio: Q3) Find anecdotal feedback mo powerful than properly collected data. #lrnchat> Because stories RESONATE😉
6:30:13 pm kelly_smith01: RT @kkapp: #Lrnchat Formative=This soup needs more salt. Summative=That meal was great
6:30:17 pm kasey428: RT @kkapp: #Lrnchat Formative=This soup needs more salt. Summative=That meal was great #lrnchat
6:30:22 pm cmeadvocate: Ha, Moore has 3 ‘moore; levels! RT @kkapp: #lrnchat…Phillips not much unlike Kirkpatrick😦 just one more level
6:30:32 pm dullsubjects: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat anecdotal evidence collected systematically and consistently is actually not anecdotal
6:30:36 pm odguru: Measures shld provide clear map of accountability. 4 qual of learning intervention, 4 qual of ppt response 2 it, org support 4 it. #lrnchat
6:30:48 pm kathyjeep: Q3) formative thru testing & pilots. Unfortunately not much summative going on…. #lrnchat
6:30:48 pm pmtrainer: RT @LorettaDonovan: @kasey428 XXX Smile sheets. Room temp, chairs, food, lights. What else can they complain about? <Odor#lrnchat
6:30:50 pm lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:30:52 pm NixTheNext: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat anecdotal evidence collected systematically and consistently is actually not anecdotal #lrnchat
6:30:53 pm ThomasStone: I should have thought to suggest #lrnchat to some folks from Knowledge Advisors tonight… would have been good to have them participate.
6:31:06 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:31:06 pm cmeadvocate: RT @minutebio: Q3) I collect formative data as soon as I see the 1st participant roll his/her eyes in class #lrnchat
6:31:11 pm pmtrainer: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:31:18 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:31:22 pm kkapp: RT @cmeadvocate: Ha, Moore has 3 ‘moore; levels! RT @kkapp: #lrnchat…Phillips not much unlike Kirkpatrick😦 just one more level
6:31:22 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:31:27 pm rovybranon: RT @NixTheNext: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat anecdotal evidence collected systematically and consistently is actually not anecdotal #lrnchat
6:31:33 pm reward75: Talk w/o action is a waste of breath. Evaluation w/o action is a waste of time. #lrnchat
6:31:35 pm minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:31:36 pm KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:31:38 pm kathyjeep: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:31:40 pm shelleyisgoing: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:31:45 pm edCetraTraining: Formative = continuous, summative = static point in time….anyone willing to play? #Lrnchat
6:31:50 pm kerina: RT @kasey428: RT @kkapp: #Lrnchat Formative=This soup needs more salt. Summative=That meal was great #lrnchat
6:31:54 pm Quinnovator: Q4) YES! Focus on outcomes: what do you expect to happen if they’re communicating? #lrnchat
6:32:01 pm rovybranon: RT @reward75: Talk w/o action is a waste of breath. Evaluation w/o action is a waste of time. #lrnchat
6:32:08 pm weisblatt: RT @odguru Measures shld provide clear map of accountability … Yes! #lrnchat
6:32:12 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @odguru: Measrs shld prvde clr map of accntablty 4 qual of learning intervention, 4 qual of ppt response 2 it, org support 4 it.#lrnchat
6:32:20 pm kelly_smith01: Q4) Informal/social learning evaluations should be conducted by the “learner” – It’s a “pull” world. #lrnchat
6:32:28 pm reward75: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:32:33 pm cr8ivetraining: Q4) data should be captured to see if formal learning programs are as effective as informal. #lrnchat
6:32:34 pm shelleyisgoing: Q4) Yes. Brinkerhoff’s Success Case Method could work well for measuring informal learning and connecting to biz metrics. #lrnchat
6:32:39 pm Quinnovator: Q4) *can* measure activity, usage, but tying to outcomes more desirable/useful #lrnchat
6:32:41 pm cmeadvocate: Are Outcomes more important than outcomes – or do people just look smarter with the capital ‘O’ #lrnchat – please respect the science…
6:32:43 pm JaneBozarth: Gloria Gery: “Why don’t we just weigh them?” #lrnchat
6:32:44 pm LnDDave: Q4) It’s about measuring performance changes; we can always backtrack to what influenced the change. #lrnchat
6:32:45 pm kellygarber: Q4) Do you mean ask the student if they were able to learn without us? eeeekkkk. #lrnchat
6:32:45 pm kathyjeep: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) YES! Focus on outcomes: what do you expect to happen if they’re communicating? #lrnchat
6:32:53 pm NixTheNext: RT @reward75: Talk w/o action is a waste of breath. Evaluation w/o action is a waste of time. #lrnchat
6:32:53 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Informal/social learning evaluations should be conducted by the “learner” – Its a “pull” world. #lrnchat
6:32:53 pm kkapp: q4) Sorry don’t remember the measurement of the effectiveness of the telephone for learning? #lrnchat
6:32:54 pm britz: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) YES! Focus on outcomes: what do you expect to happen if theyre communicating? #lrnchat
6:32:59 pm jsuzcampos: Q4) YES, but said differently … measure the impact #lrnchat
6:33:04 pm JaneBozarth: RT @shelleyisgoing Brinkerhoffs Success Case Method could work well for measuring informal learning and connecting to biz metrics.#lrnchat
6:33:22 pm edCetraTraining: Q4) move to web analytics for models on this #Lrnchat
6:33:22 pm odguru: @JaneBozarth Measure their heads #lrnchat
6:33:30 pm KristiBroom: Q4) Where social/informal influence performance, we definitely should measure. #lrnchat
6:33:31 pm criticallearner: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @shelleyisgoing Brinkerhoffs Success Case Method could work well for measuring informal learning and connecting to biz metrics. #lrnchat
6:33:34 pm cmeadvocate: correlate or link? RT @weisblatt: measuring performance vs learning; but how do you correlate learning with performance? #lrnchat
6:33:41 pm kellygarber: RT @jsuzcampos: Q4) YES, but said differently … measure the impact #lrnchat
6:33:41 pm californiakara: Q4) 1 of my profs equated # of posts with participation. #qualitynotquantityfail #lrnchat
6:33:42 pm pmtrainer: RT @LnDDave: Q4) Its about measuring performance changes; we can always backtrack to what influenced the change. #lrnchat
6:33:44 pm kkapp: Q=How do you measure yourself against other trainers? By Height. @JaneBozarth #lrnchat @GloriaGery Concept
6:33:46 pm JaneBozarth: RT @odguru: @JaneBozarth Measure their heads #lrnchat
6:33:47 pm minutebio: Q4) Hey, we talked about this (assess impact of SoMe) on #LCBQ – http://bit.ly/eSSNlu #lrnchat (early shameless plug)
6:33:56 pm LorettaDonovan: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:33:57 pm criticallearner: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What about informal and social learning? Can we/should we try to measure that? How? #lrnchat
6:34:03 pm JaneBozarth: @odguru Measure their heads before and after. pre/post, see? #lrnchat
6:34:11 pm weisblatt: Q4) Again how do you show correlation between social learning and performance improvement? #lrnchat
6:34:11 pm cr8ivetraining: Q4) find out: is formal learning content contrary to informal? Measure: org culture vs. L&D programs. #lrnchat
6:34:13 pm Quinnovator: RT @californiakara: Q4) 1 of my profs equated # of posts with participation. #qualitynotquantityfail #lrnchat < tho’ if you *trust* ’em…
6:34:18 pm kelly_smith01: Q4) Perhaps evaluate/measure accessibility to informal/formal learning channels/sources with organization. #lrnchat
6:34:22 pm JaneBozarth: measuring Return On Conversation… #lrnchat
6:34:23 pm ThomasStone: b/c otherwise like “butts in seats” RT @Quinnovator: Q4) *can* measure activity, usage, but tying to outcomes more desirable/useful#lrnchat
6:34:33 pm KristiBroom: RT @shelleyisgoing: Q4) Brinkerhoffs Success Case Method could work for measuring informal learning & connecting to biz metrics.#lrnchat
6:34:43 pm kkapp: RT: @californiakara Q4) 1 of my profs equated # of posts with participation. #qualitynotquantityfail #lrnchat >>ouch
6:34:45 pm MMTingley: RT @JaneBozarth: measuring Return On Conversation… #lrnchat
6:34:53 pm NixTheNext: note to self: Review Brinkerhoff’s Success Case Method😉 http://aetcnec.ucsf.edu/evaluation/Brinkerhoff.impactassess1.pdf #lrnchat
6:34:54 pm LnDDave: Q4) I see it as more connecting than measuring. We measure performance; we connect that performance to what influenced it. #lrnchat
6:34:54 pm Quinnovator: RT @ThomasStone: b/c otherwise like “butts in seats” RT @Quinnovator: Q4) *can* measure activity, usage, but tying to outcomes best #lrnchat
6:34:57 pm criticallearner: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) *can* measure activity, usage, but tying to outcomes more desirable/useful #lrnchat
6:34:58 pm JaneBozarth: Problem with measuring is it becomes trying to control/direct/own/get credit for it #lrnchat
6:35:01 pm kathyjeep: Q4) Yes. We know it’s happening – why wouldn’t we want to know more?#lrnchat
6:35:05 pm kellygarber: we need a model for that … RT @JaneBozarth: measuring Return On Conversation… #lrnchat
6:35:17 pm edCetraTraining: RT @JaneBozarth: measuring Return On Conversation…- I like it…measure of viral quality #Lrnchat
6:35:27 pm pmtrainer: RT @JaneBozarth: Problem with measuring is it becomes trying to control/direct/own/get credit for it #lrnchat
6:35:36 pm pmtrainer: RT @kathyjeep: Q4) Yes. We know its happening – why wouldnt we want to know more?#lrnchat #lrnchat
6:35:43 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q4) Very interested in seeing how ideas spread in an org over time. We can measure that. It’s valuable. #lrnchat
6:35:46 pm criticallearner: RT @LnDDave: Q4) I see it as more connecting than measuring. We measure performance; we connect that performance to what influenced it. #lrnchat
6:35:50 pm cmeadvocate: RT @Quinnovator: if they’re still awake, they need more feedback #lrnchat
6:35:56 pm shelleyisgoing: @NixTheNext – If you get really interested, he has a really good book on it. Quick read, lots of case examples. Very tactical. #lrnchat
6:36:00 pm NixTheNext: RT @JaneBozarth: Problem with measuring is it becomes trying to control/direct/own/get credit for it <– back to smile sheets! #lrnchat
6:36:02 pm odguru: @JaneBozarth of for sure – pre and post head measures then an equation proving that the average head growth has resulted in $ saved#lrnchat
6:36:07 pm ThomasStone: Yes! reminds me of a classic Monty Burns scene from an old Simpsons RT @odguru: @JaneBozarth Measure their heads #lrnchat
6:36:09 pm reward75: Q4) Why don’t we measure whether they learned rather than how they learned? Does the method matter? It’s all learning #lrnchat
6:36:11 pm jsuzcampos: Q4) Participation can help you determine: engagement, motivation, stewardship. All positive. #lrnchat
6:36:13 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q4) Very interested in seeing how ideas spread in an org over time. We can measure that. Its valuable. #lrnchat
6:36:19 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q4) Very interested in how people find information that ties to their performance and improving that seeking speed. Measureable#lrnchat
6:36:19 pm LorettaDonovan: Q4) Measure infrmal + social lrng by ID of new CoPs, amt of ntwrking, info shared, collective intelligence twds 4 new prods + serv#lrnchat
6:36:24 pm kkapp: q4) We need to view learning as a platform, launching point, an enabler…not a product to be accurately weighed &measured #lrnchat
6:36:27 pm minutebio: RT @minutebio: Q4) B careful not to quash learning by trying to quantify or control it #lrnchat
6:36:33 pm NixTheNext: @shelleyisgoing Thank you, my library list is growing! #lrnchat
6:36:33 pm Quinnovator: RT @jsuzcampos: Q4) Participation can help you determine: engagement, motivation, stewardship. All positive. #lrnchat
6:36:41 pm weisblatt: RT @reward75: Q4) Why dont we measure whether they learned rather than how they learned? Does the method matter? Its all learning#lrnchat
6:36:42 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q4) Interested in an org who are the amplifers for org messages, who are the idea generators. We can analyze that for good reasons#lrnchat
6:36:45 pm edCetraTraining: Viral qualities are a key data metric for value in a web world….if you were alone in twitter there would be no value #Lrnchat
6:36:53 pm reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: Problem with measuring is it becomes trying to control/direct/own/get credit for it <– back to smile sheets! #lrnchat
6:36:58 pm cmeadvocate: need more context…what about training to validate belief, knowledge or skills – may be no CI to measure? RT @kkapp: You disagree?#lrnchat
6:37:03 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q4) The “measuring” isn’t rocket science. Getting us to stop mesauring what’s “easy” to measure and start on what’s important is.#lrnchat
6:37:08 pm weisblatt: You can’t measure something without changing it. #lrnchat
6:37:12 pm criticallearner: Q4> #lrnchat I think the measure of informal/social is to gain understanding of how it is/isn’t supporting the business and WHY.
6:37:12 pm kelly_smith01: Return on Tweeting , Google Buzz, PLN, #lrnchat
6:37:13 pm britz: we’re measuring morale. dispersed new hires connecting w/ peers, building community, reducing turn over. i’ll keep u posted #lrnchat
6:37:13 pm pmtrainer: RT @LorettaDonovan: Q4) Measure infrmal + social lrng by ID of new CoPs, amt of ntwrking, info shared, collective intelligence … #lrnchat
6:37:17 pm mikeberta: #lrnchat Q4) Perhaps L1 on the informal learning but you can’t isolate the variables. AND why would you want to?
6:37:28 pm shelleyisgoing: @reward75 @weisblatt – Method does matter…that way you know what works and can do more of it. #lrnchat
6:37:33 pm kkapp: RT @weisblatt: You can’t measure something without changing it. #lrnchat
6:37:39 pm weisblatt: @edCetraTraining Cool, how do you measure viral? #lrnchat
6:37:43 pm minutebio: RT @reward75: RT @JaneBozarth: Prob with measuring is it becomes trying to control/direct/own/get credit -it <– back 2smile sheet#lrnchat
6:37:53 pm cakobu: Wise. RT @weisblatt: You can’t measure something without changing it. #lrnchat
6:37:58 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @edCetraTraining: Viral qualities are key data metric for value in web world.If u were alone in twitter there would be no value#lrnchat
6:38:01 pm JaneBozarth: RT @weisblatt: You cant measure something without changing it. #lrnchat
6:38:03 pm NixTheNext: @reward75 Need 2 measure method to get backing. It’s about validation, not about learning IMHO. #lrnchat
6:38:06 pm cmeadvocate: How do you pronounce Likert (scales)? #lrnchat – real give away for pretenders….
6:38:09 pm minutebio: RT @kkapp: RT @weisblatt: You cant measure something without changing it. #lrnchat
6:38:22 pm cr8ivetraining: @reward75 @JaneBozarth Often the goal of measuring is to control – SoMe can’t be controlled, just observed #lrnchat
6:38:29 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @weisblatt: @edCetraTraining Cool, how do you measure viral? ** Measure w/ social network analysis #lrnchat
6:38:31 pm minutebio: Q4) Only measure informal learning informally #lrnchat
6:38:34 pm odguru: RT @weisblatt: You can’t measure something without changing it. < Violating the prime directive a little… #lrnchat
6:38:42 pm kathyjeep: RT @reward75: Q4) Does the method matter? It’s all learning > But how could we repeat it in the future? #lrnchat
6:38:47 pm ThomasStone: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q4) Very interested in seeing how ideas spread in an org over time. We can measure that. It’s valuable. #lrnchat
6:38:53 pm JaneBozarth: Had prof who graded based on # of posts. Friend’s goal: 100 meaningless posts.What you measure is what you get. Nice shirt, Jane.#lrnchat
6:38:56 pm NixTheNext: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @weisblatt: You cant measure something without changing it. <– how would you test that theory?😉 #lrnchat
6:39:05 pm Quinnovator: RT @weisblatt: You can’t measure something without changing it. #lrnchat < ah, Heisenberg, we’ve missed you
6:39:10 pm pmtrainer: RT @minutebio: Q4) Only measure informal learning informally #lrnchat
6:39:18 pm kelly_smith01: Q4) Can you measure a moving, expanding target. #lrnchat
6:39:21 pm cr8ivetraining: Q4) All your Social Learning are belong to us! #lrnchat
6:39:21 pm britz: @weisblatt i think it matters so approaches/practices can be refined, repeated #lrnchat
6:39:21 pm jsuzcampos: BTW @Quinnovator. I added something new to my syllabus this semester thanks to you, VERY POSITIVE result. Will email you with more. #lrnchat
6:39:25 pm MMTingley: Q4) Definitely something I struggle with. We are well-valued via WOM, but still need to “document” value. #lrnchat
6:39:28 pm reward75: @shelleyisgoing Method doesn’t matter when people absorb info in diff ways. We should measure the results #lrnchat
6:39:33 pm criticallearner: Q4> #lrnchat informal/social measures really need to be transparent (like most tweeted/accessed)- don’t make users do something to trigger
6:39:40 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @minutebio: Q4) Only measure informal learning informally #lrnchat
6:39:48 pm Quinnovator: @jsuzcampos look forward to hearing! (already blushing🙂 #lrnchat
6:39:48 pm kelly_smith01: Q4) Measure social learning socially.#lrnchat
6:39:56 pm Quinnovator: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Measure social learning socially.#lrnchat
6:39:58 pm cmeadvocate: better then a hammer (usually) @minutebio: Q3) I explain why we evaluate and why need feedback They tend to giv mo, honest feedbck #lrnchat
6:40:00 pm edCetraTraining: @weisblatt @edCetraTraining I’m actually interviewing someone tomorrow from an Adobe company that built very complex web analytics #Lrnchat
6:40:05 pm criticallearner: RT @cr8ivetraining: @reward75 @JaneBozarth Often the goal of measuring is to control – SoMe can’t be controlled, just observed#lrnchat
6:40:09 pm JaneBozarth: saw ‘karma points’ somewhere: extends conversation, raises new questions, says things that indicate having heard others… #lrnchat
6:40:17 pm LnDDave: RT @Quinnovator: @jsuzcampos look forward to hearing! (already blushing🙂 #lrnchat
6:40:27 pm weisblatt: RT @Quinnovator: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Measure social learning socially.#lrnchat #lrnchat
6:40:29 pm Quinnovator: RT @minutebio: Q4) Only measure informal learning informally #lrnchat < nice symmetry, but not sure I buy it
6:40:33 pm jsuzcampos: Q4) I want to know how, and through which, channels people learn, NOT to control them, but to contribute to, and learn from, them.#lrnchat
6:40:55 pm JaneBozarth: How would you evaluate the people you follow on Twitter/conversations there? #lrnchat
6:40:59 pm kkapp: @cmeadvocate “Lick-ert” #lrnchat
6:41:01 pm weisblatt: Can we crowdsource the measurement of the value of crowdsourcing? #lrnchat
6:41:06 pm pmtrainer: Q4 Maybe HootSuite can design a Klout score just for us #lrnchat
6:41:13 pm kathyjeep: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Can you measure a moving, expanding target. > If total precision isn’t needed #lrnchat
6:41:14 pm kelly_smith01: An ounce of social/informal learning is worth a pound of traditional learning. #lrnchat
6:41:21 pm Quinnovator: RT @jsuzcampos: Q4) want to know how/through which, channels people learn, NOT to control, but contribute to, and learn from#lrnchat
6:41:27 pm cmeadvocate: yum, nice analogy! RT @kkapp: #Lrnchat Formative=This soup needs more salt. Summative=That meal was great
6:41:32 pm MMTingley: @reward75 @shelleyisgoing HT measure results when training isn’t only factor? #lrnchat
6:41:36 pm kellygarber: Q4) track methods contributing to improved performance – create strategy to amplify. this could vary by task/role #lrnchat
6:41:39 pm NixTheNext: whuffie! RT @JaneBozarth: saw karma points: extends conversation, raises new questions, says things indicate having heard othrs#lrnchat
6:41:44 pm Quinnovator: RT @kelly_smith01: An ounce of social/informal learning is worth a pound of traditional learning. #lrnchat < plausible!
6:42:05 pm odguru: RT @weisblatt: Can we crowdsource the measurement of the value of crowdsourcing? << Yeah – action learning at it’s most circular #lrnchat
6:42:05 pm pmtrainer: RT @kellygarber: Q4) track methods contributing to improved performance – create strategy to amplify. this could vary by task/role#lrnchat
6:42:06 pm weisblatt: Oh, guess I’m a pretender then. RT @kkapp: @cmeadvocate “Lick-ert” #lrnchat
6:42:07 pm ThomasStone: @reward75 I think measuring the method can be important, because $ to support / enable learning and perf. improvement is limited#lrnchat
6:42:08 pm LnDDave: Damn… finally off the conference call with the kids in bed, and #lrnchat is almost over.
6:42:09 pm JaneBozarth: @JaneBozarth of for sure – prem& post head measures then an equation proving that the average head growth has resulted in $ saved#lrnchat
6:42:10 pm Quinnovator: @kelly_smith01 actually, learning is learning, but formal methods rarely as effective as informal #lrnchat
6:42:11 pm cr8ivetraining: Amen!RT @jsuzcampos: Q4) want to know the channels people learn, NOT to control, but to contribute and learn from them. #lrnchat
6:42:13 pm shelleyisgoing: I took an online class w quantity AND quality requirements for posts. Two ‘substantive’ posts weekly (was operationally defined)#lrnchat
6:42:20 pm reward75: @NixTheNext I’ll agree, that to those outside L&D they see learning as black & white and not an ecosystem #lrnchat
6:42:21 pm MMTingley: Agreed. Proving is the hard part! RT @kelly_smith01: An ounce of social/informal learning is worth a pound of trad learning. #lrnchat
6:42:24 pm ThomasStone: exactly RT @shelleyisgoing: @reward75 @weisblatt – Method does matter…that way you know what works and can do more of it.#lrnchat
6:42:28 pm britz: RT @kelly_smith01: An ounce of social/informal learning is worth a pound of traditional learning./ Tweet-o-the-night! #lrnchat
6:42:31 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @kellygarber: Q4) track methods contributing to improved performance – create strategy to amplify. #lrnchat
6:42:43 pm criticallearner: RT @Quinnovator: RT @jsuzcampos: Q4) want to know how/through which, channels people learn, NOT to control, but contribute to, and learn from #lrnchat
6:42:45 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jsuzcampos: Q4) Want 2 know how/ which, channels people learn, NOT to control them, but to contribute to, and learn from, them. #lrnchat
6:42:51 pm Quinnovator: @shelleyisgoing did similar when I taught (evaluating ‘substantive’ can be manually tedious, however!) #lrnchat
6:42:54 pm jsuzcampos: Q4) Value in learning about emerging learning channels. May influence the design of more relevant *enterprise learning strategies*#lrnchat
6:42:54 pm weisblatt: You’re trying to measure again! RT @kelly_smith01: An ounce of social/informal learning is worth a pound of traditional learning. #lrnchat
6:42:54 pm pmtrainer: RT @britz: RT @kelly_smith01: An ounce of social/informal learning is worth a pound of traditional learning./ Tweet-o-the-night! #lrnchat
6:43:22 pm shelleyisgoing: @MMTingley @reward75 Some of the success case method’s methodology can help with that…tho still not perfect #lrnchat
6:43:25 pm JaneBozarth: RT @kelly_smith01: An ounce of social/informal learning is worth a pound of traditional learning./ Tweet-o-the-night! #lrnchat
6:43:27 pm ThomasStone: Umm… this is not quantum mechanics! RT @kkapp: RT @weisblatt: You can’t measure something without changing it. #lrnchat
6:43:29 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @pmtrainer: Q4 Maybe HootSuite can design a Klout score just for us #lrnchat
6:43:31 pm criticallearner: q4> #lrnchat I think understanding metrics from social is not the same as trying to control it or set targets for participation
6:43:45 pm JaneBozarth: Did @kelly_smith01 get tweet o’the night prize AGAIN? #lrnchat
6:43:48 pm Quinnovator: evaluate learner’s learning to improve them, evaluate learning to improve instruction, evaluate outcomes to improve org #lrnchat
6:43:55 pm shelleyisgoing: Tedious, I bet! RT @Quinnovator: @shelleyisgoing did similar when I taught (evaluating substantive can be manually tedious!)#lrnchat
6:44:10 pm cmeadvocate: in a laboratory, maybe.. RT @LnDDave: It’s about measuring perf. changes; we can always backtrack to what influenced the change.#lrnchat
6:44:12 pm LnDDave: Quck scan of the #lrnchat feed shows a number of “This learning type is better than that learning type…” thoughts. What about context?
6:44:14 pm kkapp: @cmeadvocate hmmm need to noodle on that…not sure…why have traing to validate what ppl belive or know..sounds like assessment#lrnchat
6:44:16 pm criticallearner: Q4> #lrnchat isn’t it really about “what happened in social” and “how did that change people/work?”- that’s metrics, no?
6:44:18 pm NixTheNext: @reward75 ya, so challenge is not over-surveying learners; need to validate learning, also need to validate resources used. #lrnchat
6:44:29 pm JaneBozarth: @ThomasStone good point– but then why do we keep treating it like it IS? #lrnchat
6:44:36 pm KristiBroom: RT @jsuzcampos: Q4) Value in lrng abt emerging lrng channels. May influence design of more relevant *enterprise lrng strategies*#lrnchat
6:44:45 pm NixTheNext: RT @Quinnovator: evaluate lrnr’s learning 2 improve them, evaluate learning 2 improve instruction, evaluate outcomes to improve org#lrnchat
6:44:54 pm McGough3R: @jsuzcampos 21st Century learning is all about collaboration, communication, and creative problem solving. #lrnchat #SPNchat#edchat
6:44:57 pm LnDDave: @cmeadvocate What’s wrong with asking someone how they did something and what influenced it? #lrnchat
6:45:12 pm reward75: @MMTingley @shelleyisgoing measure results when training isnt only factor? < level 4 eval is hard, many factors in performance #lrnchat
6:45:16 pm kkapp: RT @Quinnovator: evaluate learner’s learning to improve them, evaluate learning to improve instruction, evaluate outcomes to improve org#lrnchat
6:45:23 pm DahlD: RT @McGough3R: @jsuzcampos 21st Century learning is all about collaboration, communication, and creative problem solving. #lrnchat#SPNchat #edchat
6:45:35 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat
6:45:36 pm minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: #lrnchat < ..not sure I buy it | Formal measurmnt brings hesitation among learners – must be unobtrusive at least
6:45:39 pm LnDDave: RT @Quinnovator: eval learner’s learning to improve them, eval learning to improve instruction, evaluate outcomes to improve org #lrnchat
6:45:49 pm weisblatt: If you spend $ to validate $ spent on learning then you failed. There has to be a greater goal. #lrnchat
6:45:51 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat
6:46:10 pm cmeadvocate: note to selves… RT @NixTheNext: note to self: Review Brinkerhoff’s Success Case Method😉 http://bit.ly/hQrjH3 #lrnchat
6:46:12 pm KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat
6:46:15 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat
6:46:22 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat < already? Sigh…
6:46:30 pm edCetraTraining: Isn’t the evaluation of learning as either a 1 or 0 or as percentage kind of weird. Going back to @hjarche seems counterproductive#Lrnchat
6:46:31 pm weisblatt: RT @Quinnovator evaluate learners learning 2 improve them, evaluate learning 2 improve instruction, evaluate outcomes 2 improve org#lrnchat
6:46:39 pm McGough3R: GMcGough a father, English teacher and #SPNchat moderator. #lrnchat
6:46:39 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat
6:46:47 pm Quinnovator: thanks to new and returning to #lrnchat participants for another great #lrnchat
6:46:55 pm reward75: @ThomasStone Then how wld you measure the parts of a blended learning approach individually? #lrnchat
6:46:56 pm kkapp: @LnDDave @cmeadvocate What’s wrong with asking ppl how they did something&what influenced it? #lrnchat <ppl not best witnesses to own lrning
6:46:56 pm MMTingley: RT @cmeadvocate: note to selves… RT @NixTheNext: note to self: Review Brinkerhoffs Success Case Method😉 http://bit.ly/hQrjH3#lrnchat
6:46:57 pm odguru: In gr 2 there was a bunny in r agendas w/ 3 faces we circled one: I like the way I learned today a) a lot b) a little c) not much #lrnchat
6:47:14 pm kathyjeep: Qwrap) Kathy Jeep, ID, Columbus, GA. Past my bedtime #lrnchat
6:47:17 pm shelleyisgoing: Wow, time flies RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat
6:47:19 pm JaneBozarth: Hey new folks did you have fun? #lrnchat
6:47:31 pm cr8ivetraining: Every day we should evaluate our own personal learning – Do you know your PDQ? http://ow.ly/4qOMt #lrnchat
6:47:37 pm edCetraTraining: #playprojectmanagement at http://www.playprojectmanagement.com #Lrnchat
6:47:38 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design strategist extraordinaire, speaker/author/consultant, genial malcontent #lrnchat
6:47:47 pm kelly_smith01: Gr8 session -social media (and #lrnchat) has kept me in touch with do many outstanding learning folks around the world. #lrnchat
6:47:50 pm NixTheNext: Qwrap already?!) Becky from Chi-town, eLrn development; Got a ton to review just from this session! #lrnchat
6:48:00 pm shelleyisgoing: Qwrap) Shelley Gable. Instructional designer, freelance writer. Latest post about George Orwell and #eLearning: http://ow.ly/4qNSe#lrnchat
6:48:01 pm weisblatt: RT @JaneBozarth: Hey new folks did you have fun? >Always! #lrnchat
6:48:03 pm kkapp: @JaneBozarth Yes, Jane, thanks for asking on a Likert Scale of 1-10, I give it two thumbs up #lrnchat
6:48:11 pm jsuzcampos: Qwrap) Jeannette Campos, lover of all things learning, passionate designer, loyal citizen of #RedSox nation. #lrnchat
6:48:13 pm criticallearner: qwrap> #lrnchat David Glow, Tampa FL, blogging last week’s LS2011 experience, and headed to the zoo with 3 year old tomorrow😉
6:48:13 pm minutebio: QWrap) Jeff Goldman – eLearning Designer. Keep eye out for new #LCBQ 2morrow at http://learningcircuits.blogspot.com/ #lrnchat
6:48:16 pm cmeadvocate: b/c we as trainers want to improve…RT @reward75: Q4) Why don’t we measure whether they learned rather than how they learned?#lrnchat
6:48:19 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, Performance Improvement Consultant #lrnchat
6:48:30 pm McGough3R: @kkapp Thoughtful reflection is the backbone of narrative-inquiry. Real breakthroughs can B reached with this qualitative format.#lrnchat
6:48:30 pm kelly_smith01: RT @kkapp: @JaneBozarth Yes, Jane, thanks for asking on a Likert Scale of 1-10, I give it two thumbs up #lrnchat
6:48:30 pm LnDDave: @kkapp Learning? not so much, but performance is a litle more likely. Also helps idetify non-learning factors. #lrnchat
6:48:34 pm weisblatt: Adam Weisblatt, looking for ways to help orgs make learning valuable. #lrnchat
6:48:35 pm LnDDave: QW) David Kelly, Training Director from NYC, looking forward to future opportunities! #lrnchat
6:48:37 pm cr8ivetraining: Thanks for a lively chat! @pmtrainer @KristiBroom @shelleyisgoing @Quinnovator @NixTheNext #lrnchat
6:48:43 pm edCetraTraining: Look for Anan to redefine content accessibility at #mlearncon #Lrnchat
6:48:46 pm odguru: Christy from Canada. Did I learn? Yes. #lrnchat
6:49:02 pm KristiBroom: Qwrap) Kristi Broom, Minneapolis, MN, learning technology #lrnchat
6:49:05 pm reward75: Qwarp) Regina Ward, Learning Professional, wanting to drop all the prefixes we keep adding to learning #lrnchat
6:49:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @edCetraTraining: Look for Anan to redefine content accessibility at #mlearncon #Lrnchat < ooh!
6:49:10 pm cr8ivetraining: QWrap) Diane at Everest CS – because we know the only way to improve business is to improve ourselves. #lrnchat
6:49:36 pm shelleyisgoing: Back at ya! RT @cr8ivetraining: Thanks for a lively chat! @pmtrainer @KristiBroom @shelleyisgoing @Quinnovator @NixTheNext#lrnchat
6:49:39 pm firecrackercde: @LnDDave I say best learning type is the one the works. Flexibility and adaptability to situations & learners is always helpful. #lrnchat
6:49:43 pm huiwana: Qwrap? I’m just coming into #lrnchat. Anyway, e-learning devleper in Singapore here, currently soaking up rapid e-learning.
6:49:44 pm cr8ivetraining: RT @kelly_smith01: Gr8 session – #lrnchat has kept me in touch with do many outstanding learning folks around the world. #lrnchat
6:49:46 pm KristiBroom: RT @odguru: Christy from Canada. Did I learn? Yes. <– did you measure it?🙂 #lrnchat
6:49:52 pm britz: Mark Britz, ISD perform spclst ‘Cuse NY My shameless plug: Org Portal support gaining traction, LMS support withering #WINNING #lrnchat
6:49:53 pm kelly_smith01: RT @reward75: Qwarp) Regina Ward, – wanting to drop all the prefixes we keep adding to learning –> 2nd that #lrnchat
6:50:01 pm LnDDave: QW) I often post reflections of #lrnchat discussions on my blog. For a listing, visit this post: http://t.co/T6TzOkB Thanks for the feedback
6:50:01 pm pmtrainer: QWrap Coline from Fresno CA, Performance Consultant & Project manager. Thanks for all your input it was a great chat #lrnchat
6:50:34 pm MMTingley: Melissa Tingley eLearning ID in Boston. Looking forward to @LnDave‘s recap of this. #lrnchat
6:50:51 pm Quinnovator: @KristiBroom oh, of course we measured it. Unethically… #lrnchat
6:50:52 pm LnDDave: RT @firecrackercde: I say best learning type is the one the works. Flexibility/adaptability to situations & learners is helpful. #lrnchat
6:51:06 pm weisblatt: Binary measure: Did the investment solve the problem? #lrnchat
6:51:07 pm JaneBozarth: g’night from Raleigh,y’all. Buy my books. I can measure THAT. #lrnchat
6:51:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @LnDDave: QW) I often post reflections of #lrnchat discussions on my blog. For a listing, visit this post: http://bit.ly/g5Qsk7
6:51:12 pm JeffreyKeefer: @JaneBozarth Evaluate the people, the conversations, or the netork?😉 #lrnchat
6:51:13 pm davidbell02: QWrap) David Bell / Houston, Performance Consultant/ enjoyed the chat #lrnchat
6:51:32 pm pmtrainer: RT @Quinnovator: @KristiBroom oh, of course we measured it. Unethically… #lrnchat
6:51:33 pm minutebio: RT @LnDDave: QW) I often post reflections of #lrnchat discussions on my blog. For a listing, visit this post: http://t.co/T6TzOkB Thanks for the feedback
6:51:52 pm kkapp: RT @JaneBozarth: g’night from Raleigh,y’all. Buy my books. I can measure THAT. #lrnchat
6:52:04 pm KristiBroom: @weisblatt Thanks for the questions. They generated great discussions on both sessions. #lrnchat
6:52:05 pm cmeadvocate: new friend! RT @kkapp: @cmeadvocate “Lick-ert” #lrnchat
6:52:06 pm californiakara: Qwrap) Kara DeFrias | former instructional designer | secret superhero identity: saving world from bad PowerPoint 1 slide @ a time#lrnchat
6:52:13 pm reward75: RT @firecrackercde: best learning type is the one the works. Flexibility & adaptability 2 situations & learners is always helpful. #lrnchat
6:52:21 pm pmtrainer: RT @JaneBozarth: gnight from Raleigh,yall. Buy my books. I can measure THAT. #lrnchat
6:52:22 pm JaneBozarth: @JeffreyKeefer hey friend is thinking of site for ppl working toward grad degrees– sent her your way today #lrnchat
6:52:28 pm weisblatt: @pmtrainer curious what a Performance Consultant is. #lrnchat
6:52:36 pm lmockford: RT @Quinnovator: RT @LnDDave: QW) I often post reflections of #lrnchat discussions on my blog. For a listing, visit this post:http://bit.ly/g5Qsk7
6:52:40 pm JamesBSchultz: Qwrap) Jim, Family guy, Lancaster, PA, always learning from people, enjoy the weekend! #lrnchat
6:52:41 pm JaneBozarth: Thanks to Adam @weisblatt for tonight’s questions! #lrnchat
6:52:41 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: g’night from Raleigh,y’all. Buy my books. I can measure THAT. #lrnchat < mine too!
6:52:52 pm JeffreyKeefer: @JaneBozarth @weisblatt Why can’t measuring be objective? I know, there again is that trap about objective ever being possible ?#lrnchat
6:53:12 pm McGough3R: @lrnchat How can a public school teach problem-solving skills within the confines of a meritocratic testing culture? #lrnchat
6:53:14 pm cmeadvocate: Look!learning through social media! RT @weisblatt: Oh, guess I’m a pretender then. RT @kkapp: @cmeadvocate “Lick-ert” #lrnchat
6:53:16 pm kellygarber: Qwrap: kelly. freelance instructional designer … shameless plug – my FB page could use a few likes http://www.facebook.com/DesignbyM2#lrnchat
6:53:52 pm ThomasStone: @reward75 I’m not sure that I would. I am spending the $ on the *blended program* as a whole, vs. some alternative control group.#lrnchat
6:53:54 pm reward75: RT @LnDDave: QW) I often post reflections of #lrnchat discussions on my blog. For a listing, visit this post: http://t.co/T6TzOkB Thanks for the feedback
6:53:57 pm weisblatt: Thanks for energizing me lrnchatters! #lrnchat
6:54:03 pm McGough3R: @JamesBSchultz Hello Jim, I am an educator from Lancaster, PA as well. #SPNchat #lrnchat
6:54:27 pm ThomasStone: Is that the one-question #lrnchat smile-sheet survey?😉 RT @JaneBozarth: Hey new folks did you have fun? #lrnchat
6:54:30 pm kkapp: RT @weisblatt: Thanks for energizing me lrnchatters! #lrnchat
6:55:14 pm reward75: @ThomasStone one last thought… Then how do you know which part of the blend is working well or not? #lrnchat
6:55:29 pm ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Element K in Rochester, NY. Patiently waiting for spring weather. Thanks for another good #lrnchat tonight!
6:56:16 pm kellygarber: heehee RT @ThomasStone:Is that the one-question #lrnchat smile-sheet survey?😉 RT @JaneBozarth: Hey new folks did you have fun? #lrnchat
6:56:20 pm JaneBozarth: @ThomasStone Right.All right, everyone, please send your head measurements to me and @ODGuru so we can have real data about tonight #lrnchat
6:56:22 pm reward75: Thanks for the great discussions, G’nite all🙂 #lrnchat
6:56:56 pm cmeadvocate: TOTN! RT @Quinnovator: evaluate learner’s learning 2 imp. them, evaluate learning2 imp instruction, evaluate outcomes to imp org#lrnchat
6:57:14 pm JeffreyKeefer: RT @JaneBozarth: Patience is overrated. #lrnchat
6:57:17 pm kkapp: @JaneBozarth @ThomasStone @ODGuru Extra Large…lol #lrnchat
6:58:33 pm MikeAbrams: Qwrap) mike abrams, Phx, OD/learning, co-author “Big Book teambuilding for virtual teams” #lrnchat
6:58:44 pm ThomasStone: @reward75 I think often the value of “blended” programs arise from the combination more than the parts in isolation #lrnchat
6:59:03 pm cmeadvocate: I live in a world where it is less about training (u learn, I teach) and more about professional improvement (u better u) – #lrnchat
6:59:20 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. We’ll post the transcript later on http://lrnchat.com. See you next week!

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