Transcript 11-04-2010 Early

04:31:51 pm cpjobling: Well, it’s 4.30 GMT here is Swansea and there’s no sign of #lrnchat. Have the timings been skewed by early European onset of DST? #lrnchat
04:32:34 pm 2GFred: DST was announced last week. so this is the hour! #lrnchat
04:32:40 pm JudithELS: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Is the chat happening this week? Haven’t heard anything about it. #lrnchat <Nor me but I expect not because of #dl10 !
04:33:35 pm LandDDave: We're here. so might as well chat – not sure if moderation was scheduled in advance. #lrnchat
04:35:25 pm 2GFred: ??RT@c4lpt:R @lrnchat Todays #lrnchat at 4.30 pmBST (11.30 amEDT) & 8.30 pmEDT abt AligningEvaluatingEffectiveEfficientEngagingLrng #lrnchat
04:36:31 pm LandDDave: @2GFred That was last week's topic and time. The time was communicated as 12:30 EDT, but not a topic. #lrnchat
04:37:25 pm LandDDave: No reason not to share anyway… What did everyone learn today or this week? (Besides that we should have attended #dl10)🙂 #lrnchat
04:37:28 pm srleosalazar: I feel so . . . lonely . . . Something is missing in my life . . . #lrnchat
04:37:37 pm 2GFred: @LandDDave Thanks! #lrnchat
04:38:03 pm dbswe: Maybe "why f2f is still relevant for learning" as a topic. Any others? #lrnchat
04:38:20 pm PTKLearning: Hello all on #lrnchat – what is the topic this week #dl10?
04:38:36 pm QuickLessons: RT @LandDDave: No reason not to share anyway… What did everyone learn today or this week? (Besides that we should have attended #dl10)🙂 #lrnchat
04:39:38 pm LandDDave: I like @techherdings idea: Why are all these experts in e-learning gathered in one physical place to learn from each other?🙂 #lrnchat
04:40:48 pm joeganci: A thought I had this morning; the Peter Principle applies to software products as well. #DL10 #elearnimg #lrnchat
04:41:21 pm LandDDave: Q0) Kidding aside, I have learned a great deal about #dl10. It seems extremely relevant and full of people I'd love 2 network with #lrnchat
04:42:03 pm srleosalazar: @joeganci Does it? I would disagree: you can always go back to the previous software version without harming your effectivity. #lrnchat
04:42:05 pm 2GFred: @LandDDave Tell more about #dl10… #lrnchat
04:42:52 pm sifowler: @LandDDave @techherdings when I compared #dl10 and #elsummit earlier I inadvertantly implied #elsummit was inferior, but it aint #lrnchat
04:43:24 pm srleosalazar: Hey, anybody notice there's only guys here? #lrnchat
04:44:03 pm sifowler: Useful to compare though b/c they clearly achieve different functions. "There's a time for everything under the sun." #lrnchat
04:44:15 pm nlkilkenny: RT @LandDDave: I like @techherdings idea: Why are all these experts in e-learning gathered in one physical place to learn from each other?🙂 #lrnchat
04:44:30 pm sifowler: @srleosalazar you know guys, always wanting to chatter! #lrnchat
04:45:23 pm LandDDave: @2GFred Here's the #dl10 website: http://bit.ly/aL4Iuf. It's probably the #1 conference on e-learning #lrnchat
04:46:04 pm dbswe: Nice meals & good coffee in new surroundings with real ppl. Basic human bonding.#lrnchat
04:46:09 pm nlkilkenny: @joeganci Just read a really funny, great article on the Peter Principle from the designer's viewpt #dl10 #lrnchat http://bit.ly/9RrmyO
04:46:47 pm nlkilkenny: @srLeoSalazar I'm not a guy…#lrnchat
04:47:52 pm LandDDave: You know, I was feeling pretty cr@ppy about missing #dl10 already. This week's 'Learning from the Void' psuedo-topic ain't helping #lrnchat
04:48:19 pm tonya_simmons: Hey all – joining late due to some technical difficulties #lrnchat
04:49:11 pm tonya_simmons: Do we have a moderator and/or questions today? #lrnchat
04:49:23 pm LandDDave: @tonya_simmons Hi Tonya. You haven't missed much! #lrnchat
04:49:42 pm 2GFred: If you held a discussion/class and the instructor moderator didn't show up, what would you expect your learners to do? #lrnchat
04:50:09 pm LandDDave: Anyone else trying to follow and learn from the #dl10 backchannel? #lrnchat
04:50:26 pm jmarrapodi: @krash63 Are you part of the #lrnchat community yet? Ongoing info. DevLearn is only a conference. ELearning Guild def worth exploring too.
04:51:40 pm LandDDave: @2GFred When I was in school it was a 20 minute rule. Does that mean we do the online version of picking up our books and leaving? #lrnchat
04:51:42 pm mpalko: @2GFred I'd expect them to tweet about their instructors not being there😉 #lrnchat
04:51:43 pm PTKLearning: RT @2GFred: If you held a discussion/class and the instructor moderator didn't show up, what would you expect your learners to do? #lrnchat
04:51:58 pm JamesMcLuckie: RT @JudithELS: #lrnchat <Nor me but I expect not because of #dl10 ! 'Tis what I thought! – fun has been cancelled!
04:52:19 pm nlkilkenny: @2GFred they'd probably just leave class… At least when I was in school over 20 years ago. #lrnchat
04:52:26 pm sifowler: Yep. Looking mainly for blog summaries tho. b/c of time RT @LandDDave: Anyone else trying to follow/learn from #dl10 backchannel? #lrnchat
04:52:51 pm JenWomble: Read The #mlearning Daily http://t.co/Ml7uEL2 #edtech #lrnchat
04:53:35 pm PTKLearning: @2GFred Its good to see that the 'classroom' effect of no moderator/teacher is having a similar effect here #lrnchat
04:53:44 pm tonya_simmons: @nlkilkenny yup, our rule of thumb was that inst. didn't show in 15 min., we could leave #lrnchat
04:54:04 pm 2GFred: @nlkilkenny What would their learning-committed management want them to do? #lrnchat
04:54:37 pm LandDDave: @sifowler If you see any that you like, tweet a link. I'm hoping to post some resources for backchannel learning on my blog. #lrnchat
04:55:12 pm sifowler: I was going with @techherdings' suggestion (why eLearning ppl at #dl10 are learning F2F) but no-one seems to be running with it. #lrnchat
04:55:28 pm LandDDave: @2GFred You assume learner-committed management. I think most managers would say "Get back here and do some work" #lrnchat
04:55:33 pm nlkilkenny: @tonya_simmons today's #lrnchat = Aligning & Evaluating, Effective, Efficient & Engaging Learning at least what was tweeted earlier.
04:55:57 pm 2GFred: @sifowler Do you mean what do they know that we don't? #lrnchat
04:56:16 pm sifowler: That was last week's RT @nlkilkenny: @tonya_simmons #lrnchat = Aligning & Evaluating, Effective, Efficient & Engaging Learning #lrnchat
04:56:19 pm 2GFred: RT @nlkilkenny: @tonya_simmons todays #lrnchat = Aligning &… [last week's topic] #lrnchat
04:56:35 pm nlkilkenny: @sifowler @techherdings though.. think their discussion question sounds better #lrnchat
04:56:38 pm LandDDave: @sifowler I'm not sure technology will ever completely replace face-to-face conferences, if only for the networking. #lrnchat
04:57:45 pm tonya_simmons: @LandDDave there are nuances to f-2-f communication that you can't get w/tech – even video #lrnchat
04:58:18 pm sifowler: @2GFred Well, what do they gain that we don't? There's something clearly beneficial about a time-bound, structured, F2F event. #lrnchat
04:58:23 pm LandDDave: the elearning summit is an example of an online conference. It's great, but still pales compared to face-2-face conferences #lrnchat
04:59:30 pm 2GFred: If 80% of communication is visual (body lang, etc) then aren't we missing 80% when we aren't f-2-f? #lrnchat
04:59:42 pm sifowler: I agree, but telepresence is getting close to it RT @tonya_simmons: @LandDDave nuances to f2f comm that you cant get even w/ video #lrnchat
05:00:00 pm Dave_Ferguson: Even the most relentless social media / informal learning folks attend, engage at scheduled face-to-face events. #lrnchat
05:00:27 pm LearnTribe: @LandDDave I've had insightful discussions with more people in my field on twitter than at most f2f conferences #lrnchat
05:01:01 pm Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Telepresence better than poke in eye with stick–until you hit tech, org glitches. Or wanna switch level of interacting #lrnchat
05:01:23 pm sifowler: @2GFred 80% is a 'mehrabian myth', check out the video by @MartinShovel http://j.mp/ctbDMH #lrnchat
05:01:34 pm nlkilkenny: @tonya_simmons @LandDDave not that Second Life is to everyone's tastes but I attended the TCC conference at they'd always have a SL #lrnchat
05:01:39 pm tonya_simmons: @sifowler yes, but I find I can't have the same convo w/ my mom via video chat as I can on the phone, there's something diff abt it #lrnchat
05:02:01 pm Dave_Ferguson: Other side of the coin: most people don't GET to go to valuable conferences. Easier to find new connex, switch modes virtually. #lrnchat
05:02:02 pm nlkilkenny: @sifowler @2GFred at last Dev Learn #dl10 I got to try on these really cool Virtual Reality glasses #lrnchat
05:02:31 pm sifowler: @Dave_Ferguson right, the screen would smudge when I'd try to kiss it #lrnchat
05:02:52 pm Dave_Ferguson: @tonya_simmons Agree: for now, video chat chains you to your chair & to one point of view. Like email in 1987. #lrnchat
05:03:16 pm LandDDave: RT @LearnTribe: Ive had insightful discussions with more people in my field on twitter than at most f2f conferences< me 2 #lrnchat
05:03:37 pm nlkilkenny: @Dave_Ferguson Do you think attitudes to virtual conferences will change as more Net Gen start entering the workforce? #lrnchat
05:03:57 pm Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler More seriously, I'm thinking of bug-laden web conferencing, varying data transmit rates, disconnect bet participants. #lrnchat
05:03:58 pm tonya_simmons: we mostly use the video chat to give the grandparents a chance to see the boy – it will probably be totally nat for him #lrnchat
05:04:03 pm 2GFred: @sifowler Thanks for that link! #lrnchat
05:04:55 pm 2GFred: Maybe for nextgen, tech conferencing won't be such a big deal, just normal part of life. #lrnchat
05:04:59 pm Dave_Ferguson: @nlkilkenny I'm not prone to term 'net gen' (lots in that cohort are online only in limited ways), but… yeah, gradually…
#lrnchat
05:05:14 pm LandDDave: My sister complains to me about Facetime. My mother calls her with it at work, and then gets mad when she isn't looking. #lrnchat
05:05:53 pm Dave_Ferguson: @nlkilkenny …part of acceptance will be lowering of entry barriers due to better s/w, higher bandwidth. SL curve VERY steep. #lrnchat
05:06:33 pm LandDDave: I still think there's a bond formed at conferences that online can't replace. Can i virtually share a meal with someone? #lrnchat
05:06:49 pm LandDDave: @Dave_Ferguson I completely agree with you on the SL curve. #lrnchat
05:06:56 pm sifowler: @Dave_Ferguson @tonya_simmons yes, problem is small video screen & tech hitches make you more conscious of media than person/topic #lrnchat
05:06:58 pm LearnTribe: @2GFred I wonder if Merabian cried when his research entered pop culture out of context? http://bit.ly/9a57j9 #lrnchat
05:07:01 pm Dave_Ferguson: @2GFred Live conference is just the 21st century conference call. People need time to adjust, learn useful behavior,apply to work. #lrnchat
05:07:44 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LandDDave I spend lots of time in Second Life — but it's mainly chatting (in text or voice) in French. Flying, not so much. #lrnchat
05:08:24 pm sifowler: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @2GFred Live conf is just 21st century conf call. Ppl need time to adjust, learn useful behavior,apply to work. #lrnchat
05:08:30 pm tmiket: YES! ►@LandDDave: Anyone else trying to follow and learn from the #dl10 backchannel? #lrnchat
05:08:45 pm 2GFred: @LandDDave Maybe food really does have something to do with the effectiveness of the interaction. #lrnchat
05:09:54 pm Dave_Ferguson: Given the choice, who would RATHER meet virtually than face-to-face (assuming logistics not a barrier)? #lrnchat
05:10:03 pm LandDDave: @tmiket If encounter any good Blogs or links that helped your #dl10 backchannel learning, send them my way! #lrnchat
05:10:52 pm LandDDave: RT @Dave_Ferguson: who would RATHER meet virtually than face-to-face (assuming logistics not a barrier)? <Depends on context #lrnchat
05:11:09 pm Dave_Ferguson: I've been working so not followed #dl10 today — but am a fan of potential to extend conf benefits. #lrnchat
05:11:58 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LandDDave I grant some context, but think most (81.735%) would choose face to face. #homebrewstats #lrnchat
05:12:08 pm LandDDave: One 'cost' of f2f is time. With virtual, once the meeting ends, I can immediately move to the next productive task. #lrnchat
05:12:18 pm sifowler: F2F confs like #dl10 are also a useful point-in-time convergence within broader context of many ongoing relationships/conversations #lrnchat
05:12:21 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LandDDave Though virtual is good for people you don't want to eat with. #lrnchat
05:12:26 pm LearnTribe: @Dave_Ferguson I've had more fun and learned more on backchat at webinars that the people sitting live in the audience #lrnchat
05:12:50 pm LandDDave: I agree. All things being equal, f2f wins. #lrnchat
05:13:14 pm 2GFred: twitter mtgs (like this 1) are like everyone in a room talking @ once but we can "hear" each comment b/c of streaming.. #lrnchat
05:13:40 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LearnTribe Absolutely! I don't mean to imply otherwise. Tho' at live, I always sit on perimeter to allow easier escape. #lrnchat
05:13:43 pm LandDDave: Has anyone checked out the Backchatter game for #dl10. It's a pretty cool engagement tool. #lrnchat
05:13:52 pm smklausner: New to #lrnchat enjoying the experience & looking for other similar events. Suggestions? #lrnchat
05:14:04 pm tonya_simmons: definitely f2f – esp for things like brainstorming, collaborating – there's something u don't get via video or voice #lrnchat
05:14:27 pm LearnTribe: RT @2GFred: twitter mtgs (like this 1) are like everyone in a room talking @ once but we can "hear" each comment b/c of streaming.. #lrnchat
05:14:31 pm sifowler: @LearnTribe have you learned more, more fun in virtual b/c in F2F you're not actually conversing real-time w/ fellow audience folk? #lrnchat
05:14:41 pm nlkilkenny: #lrnchat wondering how IBM's efforts to use Second life for meetings is going anyone know
05:15:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: @smklausner More Twitter chats than a sane person would ever want: http://bit.ly/cnTcc7 #lrnchat
05:15:51 pm LearnTribe: @sifowler you hit the nail on the head – I'm participating, not just sitting listening #lrnchat
05:16:13 pm JudithELS: @Dave_Ferguson Like you I'm following the backchannel at #dl10 avidly & learning a lot from the gr8 links folk are providing #lrnchat
05:16:17 pm smklausner: @Dave_Ferguson Insane list but so helpful many thanks! #lrnchat
05:16:24 pm Dave_Ferguson: @smklausner Also, if you find value in someone's contribs, take a peek at who that person follows, or lists he/she has. #lrnchat
05:16:56 pm tonya_simmons: @Dave_Ferguson or least enough Twitter chats to MAKE you not sane anymore🙂 #lrnchat
05:17:08 pm sifowler: @smklausner check out tweet chat list: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=ruaz3GZveOsoXUOOt86B3AQ&ui=2#gid=0 #lrnchat
05:17:24 pm smklausner: @Dave_Ferguson Thanks, excellent suggestion. Still trying to wrap my head around it all so I appreciate the advice. #lrnchat
05:17:26 pm Dave_Ferguson: I think all of us have been at bad conf sessions, had unsatisfactory f2f networking efforts, etc. f2f “splendiferous” #lrnchat
05:18:56 pm sifowler: @smklausner next time I’ll use a link shortener! #lrnchat
05:19:15 pm Dave_Ferguson: Similarly, saying “social learning” a lot doesn’t mean you’re now a better dancer, with no crabgrass on your lawn. #lrnchat
05:19:48 pm sifowler: @smklausner with chats like #lrnchat, it’s fine to ‘lurk’ for a while until you figure if you want to join or not #lrnchat
05:20:17 pm Dave_Ferguson: @smklausner I use tweetchat.com to follow the chat, keep tweetdeck in 2nd window t whisper. 😉
#lrnchat
05:20:36 pm 2GFred: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Similarly, saying “social learning” a lot doesnt mean youre now a better dancer, with no crabgrass on your lawn. #lrnchat
05:20:47 pm LandDDave: @sifowler Lurking is encouraged! #lrnchat
05:20:48 pm LearnTribe: As much as I like online chat there is an atmosphere when a great speaker is live – sport event for brain – feel part of something #lrnchat
05:21:39 pm 2GFred: @Dave_Ferguson But does it improve your ability to mix your metaphors? #lrnchat
05:22:48 pm Dave_Ferguson: @2GFred Also shifts paradigms going forward, at the end of the day, if you think outside the box at internet speed. #lrnchat
05:23:29 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LearnTribe “sport event” is good phrase. Rousing keynote like pep rally. Sustaining is up to you as individual. #lrnchat
05:23:38 pm sifowler: Rather than consider F2F against Virtual, we need to build much, much greater awareness of ‘media’ (even our facial expressions) #lrnchat
05:24:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: When it comes to learning, sprinting is easy. Fitness takes time. #lrnchat
05:24:16 pm LandDDave: Need to step out for a 1:30 meeting folks. Thanks for the chat! #lrnchat
05:24:25 pm sifowler: Awareness of media, and purpose. #lrnchat
05:24:37 pm Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Yes, face-to-face & virtual are very much both/and, not either/or. #lrnchat
05:25:11 pm sifowler: Awareness of media, purpose … and aquaducts #lrnchat
05:25:27 pm 2GFred: RT @LearnTribe: there’s atmosphere when great spkr is live-sport event 4brain-feel part of something context!
05:32:07 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LearnTribe Re f2f: the best connex I’ve made are those I actively pursued (talk to presenter, talk w/ other participates), etc. #lrnchat
05:32:28 pm sifowler: yes! nice work @LandDDave RT @britz: @sifowler check out @LandDDave post thurs #lrnchat sessions summaries! Great recaps #lrnchat
05:33:02 pm 2GFred: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @LearnTribe Re f2f: the best connex Ive made are those I actively pursued — Agree! #lrnchat
05:33:07 pm Dave_Ferguson: @nlkilkenny Could be fun to adapt scavenger hunt. Qs become “whaddya got for X?” then people share links.
#lrnchat
05:33:50 pm LearnTribe: @Dave_Ferguson agree – but sometimes in a crowded conference with multi rooms finding person X is a major challenge! #lrnchat
05:33:57 pm tonya_simmons: Is anyone else have problesm with TweetChat at the moment? #lrnchat
05:34:25 pm Dave_Ferguson: @2GFred E.g., was very glad to HEAR Geary Rummler, but far better to talk w/ him, others interested in his ideas.
#lrnchat
05:34:28 pm sifowler: @tonya_simmons No, it’s just you.🙂 #lrnchat
05:34:46 pm 2GFred: @tonya_simmons tweetchat seems to be working fine for me. #lrnchat
05:35:02 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LearnTribe Re large conf, absolutely. One of the real downsides: missing opps due to ltd time, space, access. #lrnchat
05:35:03 pm tonya_simmons: well booger! #lrnchat
05:35:56 pm LearnTribe: @Dave_Ferguson and only knowing what their avatar looks like😉 #lrnchat
05:36:50 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LearnTribe Hence my Twitter profile… #lrnchat
05:37:52 pm Dave_Ferguson: I love the potential for energy, unexpected networking at a conf. My budget fails to activate that potential, though.
#lrnchat
05:38:05 pm sifowler: @nlkilkenny re structured questions – it’s a very curious thing, this relationship between structure/authority and freedom #lrnchat
05:39:47 pm sifowler: @nlkilkenny this time structure 4.30GMT for 90 mins, gives me freedom IN and AROUND it #lrnchat
05:40:42 pm sifowler: @nlkilkenny and the usual set of questions too … but w/o the questions today (but b/c of them in the past) we’re doing just fine #lrnchat
05:41:03 pm Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Structure can unlock ideas. A Lomax told singers: bring song w/name of a body of water (not just “a song”). #lrnchat
05:41:18 pm JenWomble: Great Video:Dan Pink–Motivation Drive: The truth about what motivates us http://t.co/B0upHFi students and learning #lrnchat #edtech
05:42:31 pm sifowler: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Structure can unlock ideas. A Lomax told singers: bring song w/name of a body of water (not just “a song”). #lrnchat
05:42:42 pm LearnTribe: Got to go and teach the teachers now – apps for audio/video feedback – it’s been fun, thanks #lrnchat
05:44:13 pm tonya_simmons: sometimes it takes more creativity to work within the framework than without it – and better ideas come from that #lrnchat
05:44:26 pm 2GFred: Are we done for this session? #lrnchat
05:44:30 pm sifowler: So that’s relationships, media awareness, purpose and structure/freedom. And aquaducts. #lrnchat
05:45:04 pm JaneBozarth: RT @sifowler: @nlkilkenny re structured questions – it’s a very curious thing, this relationship between structure/authority and freedom #lrnchat
05:45:13 pm Dave_Ferguson: @2GFred When the ending is ready, the learners disappear. #lrnchat
05:46:29 pm busynessgirl: RT @Dave_Ferguson: When it comes to learning, sprinting is easy. Fitness takes time. #lrnchat
05:46:48 pm britz: RT @LandDDave there’s a bond formed at conferences…Can i virtually share a meal with someone? #lrnchat / via Twitr u can “eat” my words :l
05:47:07 pm chris_saeger: http://bit.ly/d7LBjl via rapidBI Thoughts on leading remote work teams. what “how to” ideas have you seen? #lrnchat
05:47:47 pm 2GFred: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @2GFred When the ending is ready, the learners disappear. <–quietly… #lrnchat
05:48:51 pm Dave_Ferguson: If we're running down: don't forget to say who you are, share stuff, leave the networking door ajar.
#lrnchat
05:49:55 pm sifowler: Small #lrnchat crowd today, felt cosy. #lrnchat
05:50:05 pm sifowler: RT @Dave_Ferguson: If were running down: dont forget to say who you are, share stuff, leave the networking door ajar. #lrnchat
05:50:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: Since I have to leave: Dave Ferguson, workplace learning consultant, inconsistent blogger, thinker of stuff. #lrnchat
05:51:05 pm chris_saeger: via @rapidBI http://bit.ly/cqqKLY Jelly–A Semi-Weekly Work Together does #lrnchat @lrnchat serve this purpose for you?
05:51:34 pm sifowler: Simon Fowler, R&D at Forum Corp. Mostly think about relationships; here's a 30-day blog-study on the topic: http://bit.ly/93i0Ah #lrnchat
05:51:50 pm 2GFred: Thanks all of you for staying and participating! Fred Stevens, Trainer/Coach/Speaker — love to learn, share, grow. #lrnchat
05:51:58 pm tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, project developer, Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames IA, http://www.phasient.com – catch us Twin Cities ASTD conf. #lrnchat
05:52:46 pm sifowler: Thanks all. @lrnchat, hope to see you next week. #lrnchat
05:54:26 pm JenWomble: First All-Digital Science Textbook Will Be Free | Wired Science | http://t.co/VDVqXyX http://t.co/oOA3XKH #stem #lrnchat

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