Transcript 28-October 2010 (early)

10:31:09 am lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
10:31:23 am tadams_InMind: @C4LPT @lrnchat Today’s #lrnchat 11.30 amEDT & 8.30 pmEDT is abt Aligning & Evaluating, Effective, Efficient & Engaging Learning – s/b good
10:32:00 am urbie: #lrnchat plethora of posts coming
10:32:16 am sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Today’s #lrnchat at 4.30 pm BST (11.30 am EDT) and at 8.30 pm EDT is about Aligning & Evaluating, Effective, Efficient and Engaging Learning
10:32:21 am LearnNuggets: @educatorshelper @C4LPT Yes. Use a service like tweetchat.com that auto fills the hashtag and filters the stream. #lrnchat
10:32:39 am lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
10:33:18 am LearnNuggets: Whazzzup Training & Dev & eLearn Tweeps! It’s #lrnchat time! #lrnchat
10:33:23 am lrnchat: Rule2. [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
10:33:31 am lrnchat: Rule3. When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
10:33:51 am carneysandoe: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
10:33:54 am 2GFred: Good day #lrnchat! Fred Stevens, Los Angeles
10:34:10 am petersonandrew: #lrnchat Andrew Peterson, West Shore Community College, MI. Game Based Learning Junkie
10:35:10 am c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
10:35:33 am JamesMcLuckie: Hi all. James, from Edinburgh. Manager of @EdenTreeToolkit – a resource bank/community for L&D professionals. #lrnchat
10:35:40 am jarroddodson: Jarrod Dodson, B’ham, AL Employee Development #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:35:41 am urbie: #lrnchat urbie delgado, instructional designer, washington (around the corner from the Obama’s) d.c., re-humanizing elearning.. urbie.com
10:35:47 am c4lpt: #lrnchat Jane Hart from Bath in England, preparing to leave for San Francisco and DevLearn #dl10
10:35:49 am StephanieDaul: Stephanie Daul, Instructional Designer, Chicago, getting ready for #dl10 next week! #lrnchat
10:35:50 am mrch0mp3rs: Howdy, I’m Aaron Silvers. Chicago, IL. It’s a week😀 #lrnchat
10:36:06 am lrnchat: Rule4. Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com work well
10:36:16 am jwinans17: Jessica Winans. Instructional Designer from University of Montana Western in Dillon, MT #lrnchat
10:36:20 am billcush: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
10:36:33 am lrnchat: Rule5. Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in too.
10:36:40 am Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design strategist, consultant/author/speaker, genial malcontent, Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
10:36:47 am carneysandoe: Carney, Sandoe & Assoc. Boston, Education is fav and focus #lrnchat
10:36:56 am lrnchat: Rule6. On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really
10:37:00 am sifowler: Simon Fowler, R&D at Forum Corp, insatiable appetite for learning, struggling with ADOS (Attention Deficit … Oh! Shiny!) #lrnchat
10:37:01 am dbolen: howdy all, Don Bolen, ATL, learning strategist and PM. Heading to #DL10 next week #lrnchat
10:37:11 am cpjobling: Hi All. Chris Jobling, Swansea University, Lecturer, e-Learner. Focus: disrupting the status quo. #lrnchat
10:37:14 am billcush: Bill Cushard. Mountain View, CA. Trainer of sales people. Fond of the abstruse, the marvelous, and the incomprehensible. #lrnchat
10:37:14 am LearnNuggets: Kevin: Memphis, TN U.S. Instructional Technologies at AutoZone & CNH (Chief NuggetHead at NuggetHead Studioz #lrnchat
10:37:20 am npmaven: Debra Beck, nonprofit educator/facilitator (online formal for UWyo, on/offline for various nonprofit groups). #lrnchat
10:37:31 am lrnchat: Rule7. 10 min before the end of #lrnchat, reintroduce yourself. Links, requests, & shameless plugs welcome, too.
10:38:14 am LearnTribe: #lrnchat intro Gordon McLeod, Learning Technologist, passionate about positive change, engaging learning, and sense over conservatism
10:38:39 am cpjobling: @KristiBoom: hi Kristi, I recognize your name from #plenk2010. #lrnchat
10:38:41 am shiftguru: Mark Sheppard, Canada. F: Instructional Design/Architecture/Assoc. Faculty FT: Rapid e-learning, new e-learning technology, SoMe. @lrnchat
10:38:46 am billcush: Love visiting Dillon. RT @jwinans17: Jessica Winans. Instructional Designer from University of Montana Western in Dillon, MT #lrnchat
10:38:50 am lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
10:39:17 am carneysandoe: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
10:39:20 am tadams_InMind: Tim Adams, Denver CO – form Inmind Learning & Performance – engaging learning w/social media! #lrnchat:
10:39:22 am Callooh: Dianne Rees, ID-er and elearning developer #lrnchat
10:39:47 am onsSara: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
10:39:49 am educatorshelper: #lrnchat-Susanna Livingston, South Florida, classroom teacher, instructional technology
10:40:15 am sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
10:40:24 am jarroddodson: @lrnchat not so much learned, but reminded. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink or think #lrnchat
10:40:28 am carneysandoe: Q0) There is a solid argument to why students should be allowed to use cell phones in school. #lrnchat
10:40:37 am petersonandrew: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
10:40:43 am LearnNuggets: Q0) I learned that playing the #dl10arg (Alternate Reality Game) is a hoot! #lrnchat
10:40:53 am urbie: #lrnchat i learned (thru usatoday) that someone(s) was/were plotting to bomb dc’s metro rail system.. owie..
10:40:55 am KristiBroom: @cpjobling Fantastic! Are you enjoying the course? Would love to chat about it sometime. #plenk2010 #lrnchat
10:40:55 am educatorshelper: #lrnchat-learned something fabulous at DEN event- how to make paper slide videos by simply using Flip or cell phn camera
10:41:21 am Quinnovator: Q0) I learned that sometimes I have to say “no” (keep ‘unlearning’ that!) #lrnchat
10:41:41 am sguditus: Q0) I’m learning tons of fabulous ideas to share back at my school, to integrate technology and ed @ #masscue! #lrnchat
10:41:44 am JamesMcLuckie: Q0. I learned a really interesting new way of conducting a group discussion called the Goldfish Bowl Technique. #lrnchat
10:41:57 am cpjobling: Q0) I’ve been learning about Socrates and the Socratic Method: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method because of #socrait #lrnchat
10:41:57 am tadams_InMind: Sorry – network died – Tim Adams, Denver CO – form Inmind Learning & Performance – engaging learning w/social media! #lrnchat:
10:42:00 am urbie: #lrnchat Q0 what have i learned today? usatoday: someone was busted plotting the bombing of several dc metro rail stations.. owie..
10:42:00 am shiftguru: Learned that I can indeed conduct a 3hr f2f e-learning primer lecture for HR students and still make it enjoyable #lrnchat
10:42:00 am LearnNuggets: Q0) I learned why/how I ever managed without my new Mophie Juice Pack before #lrnchat
10:42:13 am LearnTribe: q0) writing a book review takes far longer than it should if you can’t lock the door, turn off e-mail and unplug the phone #lrnchat
10:42:15 am billcush: Darn right! RT @carneysandoe: Q0) There is a solid argument to why students should be allowed to use cell phones in school. #lrnchat
10:42:25 am KristiBroom: RT @LearnNuggets: Q0) I learned that playing the #dl10arg (Alternate Reality Game) is a hoot! <–Me Too! #lrnchat
10:42:27 am eestes1: Hello, I’m Ethan Estes , Louisville, KY. #lrnchat
10:42:32 am mrch0mp3rs: Q0) I learned that sleep is for other people (more coffee, plz) #lrnchat
10:42:32 am petersonandrew: Q0) #lrnchat Civ V is just as addicting as Civ IV, Civ III, Civ II, and Civ.
10:42:38 am 2GFred: @carneysandoe Cell phones in school? I’m curious to hear more…. #lrnchat
10:42:41 am onsSara: Q0) It may be human nature to feel like you’re the only one who knows what you know #lrnchat
10:42:42 am laura_dickson: Laura Dickson, eLearning specialist, Norwalk CT, also heading to #dl10 next week. This week I’ve learned project mgmt is tough! #lrnchat
10:42:44 am sifowler: Q0) some peeps think they know (and fear they should know) more than they actually do, so they inhibit learning #lrnchat
10:42:45 am LearnNuggets: RT @carneysandoe: Q0) There is a solid argument to why students should be allowed to use cell phones in school. < Solid? Share? #lrnchat
10:42:57 am Quinnovator: Q0) learned that I have technolust: the new MacBook Air has me drooling (er, virtually) #lrnchat
10:43:00 am dbolen: Q0 learned that bathing the cat is perilous #lrnchat
10:43:11 am carneysandoe: @billcush Impressed with pros/cons this week in #edchat #lrnchat
10:43:20 am urbie: #lrnchat Q0 what (else) did i learn this week? that getting my elearning courses accredited can be a positive (for all involved) thing..
10:43:22 am tadams_InMind: Sorry – network died – Tim Adams, Denver CO – form Inmind Learning & Performance – engaging learning w/social media! #lrnchat
10:43:23 am LearnTribe: @JamesMcLuckie do you repeat the same question every 2 minutes? #lrnchat
10:43:30 am LearnNuggets: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Q0. I learned a really interesting way of conducting a group discussion: The Goldfish Bowl Technique. < Do tell? #lrnchat
10:43:36 am billcush: Q0) Today I learned that frequent mini-breaks can speed up what I can accomplish in a day. #lrnchat How about in training? Hmmm.
10:43:41 am cpjobling: @KristiBroom I am enjoying #plenk2010 … almost obsessively so. #lrnchat
10:43:47 am LearnNuggets: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q0) I learned that sleep is for other people (more coffee, plz) < You can sleep when you’re dead! #lrnchat
10:43:52 am shiftguru: Q0) also learned how to build and use a #prezi #lrnchat
10:44:04 am carneysandoe: @LearnNuggets #edchat this week. Ppl had gr8 examples of stds using them successfully and1 story of it saving a life! #lrnchat
10:44:31 am traceyyyz: Q0. We learned another lesson about the role of social media in getting minority candidates elected – new mayor of Calgary AB #lrnchat
10:44:34 am MimiBarbara: I learned about several new apps for my Droid. #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:44:43 am Quinnovator: Q0) learned even when you think you’re ready, you can still be amazed at what shows up in the inbox #lrnchat
10:45:00 am LearnNuggets: RT @Quinnovator: Q0) learned I have technolust: new MacBook Air has me drooling (er, virtually) < I’m not a Mac users and I am too! #lrnchat
10:45:11 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @dbolen: Q0 learned that bathing the cat is perilous < Tried that … NEVER again!🙂 #lrnchat
10:45:13 am urbie: #lrnchat Q0 what (else) did i learn this week? that citing (APA) a Kindle or iPad iBook source can be tricky..
10:45:14 am carneysandoe: @MimiBarbara anything good? #lrnchat
10:45:24 am sifowler: Q0) learned: with enough encouragement & training wheels, ppl will actually try a new way to communicate (yammer in this case). #lrnchat
10:45:25 am KristiBroom: Q0 I learned how to build my very first cartoon. It was fun! #lrnchat
10:45:28 am billcush: Am speaking at a conference in March..will tell participants to turn “on” cell phones during my session. @2GFred: @carneysandoe #lrnchat
10:45:34 am LearnNuggets: @carneysandoe Is there a link to that story or article? #lrnchat
10:45:44 am hybridkris: Q0): Kris Rockwell, Hybrid Learning Systems, Pittsburgh, PA. Can’t stay for long, but glad to at least pop in for a second. #lrnchat
10:45:45 am carneysandoe: @urbie agree! #lrnchat
10:45:46 am JamesMcLuckie: @LearnNuggets Involves putting some people in the middle, they discuss, and others sit around, and join in when want to contribute. #lrnchat
10:45:46 am lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:45:50 am Callooh: Q0) Learned about a health care initiative using a game to create change/foster divergent thinking #lrnchat
10:45:54 am jwinans17: @shiftguru #prezi is a great tool. glad that you learned. #lrnchat
10:45:54 am urbie: @LearnNuggets #lrnchat if you really believe (and practice what you’re preaching) you will be, and sooner rather than later..
10:45:57 am StephanieDaul: I learned what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas and it usually has to do with your money #lrnchat
10:46:06 am Quinnovator: @LearnNuggets will try not to hold not being a Mac user against you😉 #lrnchat
10:46:13 am billcush: @CarneySandoe I’ll look it up. Is there a transcript? #edchat #lrnchat
10:46:13 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:46:21 am carneysandoe: @billcush there are absolutely benefits, they just need to be streamlined accoringly. #lrnchat
10:46:27 am petersonandrew: @shiftguru re: prezi, motion sickness is real. Please don’t make the crowd dizzy. #lrnchat
10:46:35 am StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:46:37 am Quinnovator: Q1) um, *start* with your organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:46:43 am nancyrubin: RT @MimiBarbara: I learned about several new apps for my Droid. #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:46:44 am LearnNuggets: RT @KristiBroom: Q0 I learned how to build my very first cartoon. It was fun! < Awesome! You must share🙂 #lrnchat
10:46:46 am hybridkris: Q0) I learned that pain medication is great for my hurting collarbone, but not so much for anything else. #lrnchat
10:46:49 am npmaven: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:46:59 am 2GFred: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:46:59 am MimiBarbara: @carneysandoe TagWhat #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:47:05 am cpjobling: Q0) This week I learned again that #inboxzero is a myth … or maybe it’s just email just isn’t compelling anymore. #lrnchat
10:47:05 am dbolen: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:47:18 am carneysandoe: @billcush Not sure this weeks is up yet ask @rliberni #lrnchat
10:47:20 am petersonandrew: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:47:25 am hybridkris: Q1) um, *start* with your organizational objectives? #lrnchat (via @Quinnovator)
10:47:42 am sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:47:46 am nancyrubin: Q1) Try to get buy-in from the top down – get decision makers involved in training #lrnchat
10:47:47 am StephanieDaul: Q1) First you need to know your organizational objectives #lrnchat
10:47:52 am Quinnovator: Q1) work backwards: objectives (that will impact), assessment aligned with objectives, content that will achieve perf #lrnchat
10:47:53 am karen_kelley: @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:48:04 am c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:48:11 am billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:48:16 am MimiBarbara: Q1 Align learning objective to org objectives by talking with the business leaders. #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:48:19 am carneysandoe: RT @StephanieDaul: Q1) First you need to know your organizational objectives <- True #lrnchat
10:48:19 am shiftguru: @petersonandrew absolutely. I’ve seen dizzying examples. I was very selective in my positioning and transitions #lrnchat
10:48:23 am cpjobling: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:48:27 am petersonandrew: Q1) Align your learning solutions with your audience, make sure your learning objectives align with your org objectives #lrnchat
10:48:27 am dbolen: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) um, *start* with your organizational objectives? Next question? #lrnchat
10:48:27 am urbie: #lrnchat Q1 i ensure my learning solutions are “aligned” with org. objectives by.. doing front-end alignment (peer review).. at proj kickoff
10:48:32 am karen_kelley: 1) make sure everyone agrees what org objectives ARE #lrnchat
10:48:34 am jarroddodson: @lrnchat Q1) survey supervisors and management for deficits that they have identified and develop learning around those challenges #lrnchat
10:48:43 am jarroddodson: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) um, *start* with your organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:48:45 am KristiBroom: @learnnuggets the cartoon isn’t that good. The learning process was. I’ll dig out the URL…maybe #lrnchat
10:48:48 am Quinnovator: RT @karen_kelley: 1) make sure everyone agrees what org objectives ARE #lrnchat
10:48:51 am sifowler: Indeed! RT @Quinnovator: Q1) um, *start* with your organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:48:55 am LearnNuggets: @Quinnovator Appreciate that🙂 I will one day…I can feel it! #lrnchat
10:48:55 am npmaven: Ah, the sticky point.😉 RT @StephanieDaul: Q1) First you need to know your organizational objectives #lrnchat
10:48:58 am c4lpt: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) um, *start* with your organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:49:05 am billcush: Q1) Dont do anything unless it directly impacts one of the orgs goals. #lrnchat Be focused.
10:49:13 am KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:49:17 am billcush: Ha. RT @StephanieDaul: Q1) First you need to know your organizational objectives #lrnchat
10:49:30 am LearnNuggets: Q1) Understand what the organizational objectives are FIRST, before designing training. Otherwise you’re chasing tails. #lrnchat
10:49:32 am KristiBroom: Q1 first step is to know the organizational objectives. #lrnchat
10:49:41 am MichelleLavoie: Q1) The requesting organization has to know what their objectives are, they must be identified, defined and measurable #lrnchat
10:49:44 am Quinnovator: Q1) what small change in decisions will make a big impact on measurable org outcomes? Start there. #lrnchat
10:49:56 am 2GFred: Q1) To align them: Ident what obstacles to org objectives you are overcoming with your learning objectives. #lrnchat
10:49:58 am shiftguru: Q1) if learning/education isn’t part of org. strategic plan/objectives/goals you’re already in a deep hole. #lrnchat
10:50:01 am npmaven: Q1) Wkg w/individual #nonprofits, important to have frank convo re: what their expectations re: learning are (& what’s realistic). #lrnchat
10:50:08 am onsSara: Q1) ensure alignment w/org objectivess by being intimate with my org’s pillars; live them not just read them #lrnchat
10:50:21 am dbolen: Q1 line of sight, each objective is tied back to specific business goal/objective Robert Brinkerhoff #lrnchat
10:50:24 am MimiBarbara: #lrnchat What does the business measure? Create learning objectives that drive performance to improve those measures #lrnchat
10:50:26 am LearnNuggets: @KristiBroom Fun isn’t it. I’ve been drawing toons my whole life. Love to see others learn the craft. Share if you’d like. #lrnchat
10:50:28 am c4lpt: Q1) #lrnchat Consider the *performance* outcomes you want to have (rather than the learning outcomes)
10:50:30 am cpjobling: Q1) Organizational objectives equate these days to being near the top of the quality newspapers’ University league tables… #lrnchat
10:50:32 am urbie: #lrnchat Q1 i ensure my learning solutions are “aligned” with org. objectives by.. using templates designed for that purpose like religion..
10:50:34 am billcush: Q1) Poll: how many learning pros (training managers, trainers, etc) know their org goals (#lrnchat participants excluded of course)?
10:50:37 am JamesMcLuckie: Q1. Some org objectives are worded incredibly vaguely – help senior leaders write objectives that are jargon free. #lrnchat
10:50:39 am carneysandoe: @LearnNuggets I would direct you to @rliberni she should have a link to the convo! #lrnchat
10:50:41 am laura_dickson: Q1) requests for learning r prioritized based on how they will help org meet goals. courses answer questions rather than dump info #lrnchat
10:50:50 am Quinnovator: RT @MimiBarbara: #lrnchat What does the biz measure? Create learning objectives that drive performance to improve those measures #lrnchat
10:50:52 am npmaven: Yes! RT @shiftguru: Q1) if learning/education isnt part of org. strategic plan/objectives/goals youre already in a deep hole. #lrnchat
10:51:04 am LearnNuggets: Q1) Seems to be an echo in here. We’re all “aligned” that org objectives need to be understood first. #lrnchat
10:51:19 am Quinnovator: RT @C4LPT: Q1) #lrnchat Consider the *performance* outcomes you want to have (rather than the learning outcomes)
10:51:23 am nancyrubin: RT @shiftguru: Q1) if learning/education isn’t part of org. strategic plan/objectives/goals you’re already in a deep hole. #lrnchat
10:51:30 am educatorshelper: trying to find youtube link for instructions on how to make paper slide videos… #lrnchat
10:51:42 am onsSara: @billcush <raising hand> #lrnchat
10:51:44 am LearnNuggets: RT @carneysandoe: @LearnNuggets I would direct you to @rliberni she should have a link to the convo! < Thanks! #lrnchat
10:52:01 am MimiBarbara: Q1 #lrnchat What does the business measure? Align learning experience to improve those measures. #lrnchat
10:52:13 am LearnTribe: q1) This Simon Sinek TED Talk was a big help getting my head around this – ask why first http://bit.ly/asUk3f #lrnchat
10:52:18 am urbie: #lrnchat Q1 i ensure my learning solutions are “aligned” with org. objectives by.. being open to criticism/feedback from peers/customers..
10:52:19 am KristiBroom: @learnnuggets Definitely fun. And no drawing on this one — using basic characters and objects. Here’s a link http://bit.ly/bK2NxQ #lrnchat
10:52:25 am sifowler: Q1) Frame organizational objectives in terms of human behaviors (e.g. decisions: what, how and who) #lrnchat
10:52:25 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @c4lpt: Consider the *performance* outcomes rather than the learning outcomes < I try to write perf outcomes into my LOs. #lrnchat
10:52:30 am npmaven: (#Nonprofit tweeps, is learning part of your strategic plan/goals? If not, why not? If so, how help you focus learning success?) #lrnchat
10:52:38 am Callooh: q1) Design learning experiences to lead to performances that track with objs; assessments monitor that objs achieved #lrnchat
10:52:41 am billcush: Q1) All learning pros must be in weekly meetings with teams they serve & get all operating reports. No excuse for not having data. #lrnchat
10:52:48 am npmaven: RT @Quinnovator: RT @C4LPT: Q1) #lrnchat Consider the *performance* outcomes you want to have (rather than the learning outcomes) #lrnchat
10:52:53 am carneysandoe: Q1. Communication is key to properly aligning. #lrnchat
10:53 AM urbie #lrnchat Q1 i ensure my learning solutions are “aligned” with org. objectives by.. being transparent in my status reports..
10:53 AM debs Tummelvision.tv vs #Lrnchat. Are you up for some multitasking tonight? (via @davegray) – Yes! let’s cross polinate #lmchat w/ #tummel
10:53 AM jarroddodson RT @carneysandoe: Q1. Communication is key to properly aligning. #lrnchat
10:53 AM cpjobling Q1) League tables may not be good things to align an innovative learning strategy to … although student satisfaction does figure #lrnchat
10:53 AM traceyyyz Q1) ensure that one of the org goals is to be exploratory in learning – not always objective driven – open to unexpected outcomes #lrnchat
10:53 AM LearnNuggets RT @npmaven: Yes! RT @shiftguru: Q1) if learning/edu isnt part of org strategy/plan/obj/goals ur already in a deep hole. < Ditto! #lrnchat
10:54 AM JamesMcLuckie RT @traceyyyz: Q1) ensure that one of the org goals is to be exploratory in learning – open to unexpected outcomes < Agreed. #lrnchat
10:54 AM carneysandoe @LearnNuggets no problem. It was a very insightful #edchat convo! #lrnchat
10:54 AM shiftguru @C4LPT #lrnchat. Bingo. ‘Learning’ happens when the rubber meets the road, not in the classroom (virtual or otherwise)
10:54 AM Quinnovator RT @jarroddodson: RT @carneysandoe: Q1. Communication is key to properly aligning. #lrnchat < agreed
10:55 AM educatorshelper http://bit.ly/9LKc5n Here are paper slide videos created by 5th grade students used to assess skills #lrnchat (more fun than a worksheet!)
10:55 AM sifowler Q1) draw/demonstrate a line between a learning outcome & org objective. It may not be a direct line. #lrnchat
10:55 AM LearnNuggets @billcush Disagree re: weekly mtgs. Agree weekly meetings when associated with a project. And get in on the front end. #lrnchat
10:55 AM onsSara RT@C4LPT: Consider the *performance* outcomes you want to have (rather than the learning outcomes) >a recent focus for us #lrnchat
10:55 AM Callooh q1) Also pay attention to affective cpnts that may get in the way of performance #lrnchat
10:55 AM npmaven RT @shiftguru: @C4LPT Bingo. Learning happens when the rubber meets the road, not in the classroom (virtual or otherwise) #lrnchat
10:55 AM urbie #lrnchat Q1 i ensure my learning solutions are “aligned” with org. objectives by.. saying “no: not doing any thing more” when they’re not..
10:55 AM billcush Q1) Set Training goals to improve operating measures. Forget Levels 1 2, and 3. #lrnchat
10:56 AM urbie @npmaven #lrnchat learning should be part of one’s personal goals.. lifelong learning is my mantra.. major OWIE otherwise..
10:56 AM allthingsnoisy Q0) Jenda in Pittsburgh, PA. Love corporate training, but work as e-learning spec in university, teaching STEM ed to HE teachers #lrnchat
10:56 AM LandDDave Greetings all. I’m on a workshop break and figured I would get my #lrnchat fix. David kelly, training director from NYC
10:56 AM LearnNuggets @carneysandoe Haven’t participated in a #edchat. I’ll have to stick my nose in next time. #lrnchat
10:56 AM carneysandoe RT @billcush: Q1) Set Training goals to improve operating measures. Forget Levels 1 2, and 3. ,<-analytics can def help #lrnchat
10:57 AM karen_kelley @sifowler “It may not be a direct line.” is it wrong that that really makes me laugh? #lrnchat
10:57 AM npmaven RT @karen_kelley: RT @sifowler: Q1) draw/demonstrate a line between learning outcome & org objective. It may not be a direct line. #lrnchat
10:57 AM Quinnovator RT @billcush: Q1) Set Training goals to improve operating measures. Forget Levels 1 2, and 3. #lrnchat
10:57 AM bschlenker RT @LearnNuggets: Q1) Seems to be an echo in here. We’re all “aligned” that org objectives need to be understood first. #lrnchat
10:57 AM karen_kelley RT @sifowler: Q1) draw/demonstrate a line between a learning outcome & org objective. It may not be a direct line. #lrnchat -10:56 AM Oct 28th, 2010
10:58 AM temperedradical RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
10:58 AM urbie @bschlenker #lrnchat.. it’s deeper than mere understanding.. should be intrinsic to one.. even tiny disconnects cause (painful) friction..
10:58 AM sparkandco 2nd that RT @Quinnovator: Q1) work backwards: obj (that will impact), assessmnt aligned w/ objectives, content that achieves perf #lrnchat
10:58 AM LearnNuggets RT @Quinnovator: RT @billcush: Q1) Set Training goals to improve operating measures. Forget Levels 1 2, and 3. < Yep #lrnchat
10:58 AM karen_kelley RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
10:58 AM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
10:58 AM shiftguru @bschlenker looks like we’ve all identified or experienced a common gap area. #lrnchat
10:58 AM billcush @LearnNuggets How can we understand the business if we are not in staff meetings every week with the sales (whoever) team? #lrnchat
10:58 AM petersonandrew #lrnchat lifelong learning is not an option, ….. unless you all want tech support for Windows 3.11.
10:58 AM lrnchat Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
10:59 AM sifowler Q1) But 2/3 are for the learner to be conscious of progress, no? RT @billcush: Q1) Forget Levels 1 2, and 3. #lrnchat
10:59 AM npmaven Yup. Formal only teeny piece. RT @urbie: @npmaven learning should be part of ones personal goals. lifelong learning is my mantra. #lrnchat
10:59 AM billcush RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
10:59 AM Quinnovator Q2) use deep learning design (and avoid ‘cookie cutter’ ID) #lrnchat
10:59 AM LearnNuggets RT @LandDDave: Greetings all. Im on a workshop break and figured I would get my #lrnchat fix. < Funny! #lrnchat
10:59 AM LandDDave RT @lrnchat: Q1: How do you ensure your learning solutions are *aligned* with organizational objectives? #lrnchat
11:00 AM Quinnovator @NunesMarketing now, don’t get me started on learning styles…use the right learning design, period. #lrnchat
11:00 AM urbie #lrnchat Q2 i can be sure my learning solutions are effective.. some are accredited and reviewed by some very serious peeps in trench coats.
11:00 AM jarroddodson Q2) increased performance of the learner is always the goal. If the train doesn’t help , than it wasn’t worth the time #lrnchat
11:00 AM billcush Q2) Learning effective if an org goal improved. What else is there? #lrnchat
11:00 AM cpjobling RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
11:00 AM hamtra Q2) Our org is so new to elearning that as long as they aren’t complaining – we’re effective. (kidding) #lrnchat
11:00 AM LearnNuggets @billcush From a salesforce perspective, I can see. From retail, we know in adv what’s coming and plan/move accordingly #lrnchat
11:00 AM npmaven #Nonprofits, wd love your feedback here. @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
11:00 AMc4lpt RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
11:00 AM Quinnovator Q2) again, work backwards from objective: meaningful assessment aligned with workplace performance need #lrnchat
11:00 AM KristiBroom @learnnuggets Thanks! And very true about Dilbert #lrnchat
11:00 AM LearnTribe q1) discuss what the org objectives actually mean – and if that’s the same interpretation between departments #lrnchat
11:00 AM sifowler RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
11:00 AM carneysandoe @LearnNuggets they have several a week now. At least 2 on Tuesday. Only recently participating but they have been a great PD. #lrnchat
11:00 AM 2GFred RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
11:00 AM LandDDave RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
11:00 AM KristiBroom RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? #lrnchat
11:01 AM cpjobling Q2) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *effective*? < I have no answer to that; I’ll see what the experts have to say. #lrnchat
11:01 AM shiftguru Q2) Find out what “effective” means to the org and the learner, then do as @quinnovator proposes. #lrnchat
11:01 AM Quinnovator Q2) choose meaningful practice, and the align resources to that performance #lrnchat
11:01 AM JamesMcLuckie Q2. Thorough analysis is the *first* step. #lrnchat
11:01 AM LearnNuggets @carneysandoe Cool, I’ll check it out. Thanks! #lrnchat
11:01 AM hamtra q2) Currently learner satisfaction is our measurement of effectiveness. But we will need something more concrete to know 4sure. #lrnchat
11:01 AM jaycross Q2) Ensure is the wrong word here. This is not a precise science. Stuff happens. #lrnchat
11:01 AM NunesMarketing @Quinnovator #lrnchat Lets make it clear – We have a sales team. we need to increase sales revenue 15% quarterly
11:01 AM carneysandoe Q2) Analytics can assist but simply asking for feedback from participants can prove most effective #lrnchat
11:01 AM MimiBarbara #lrnchat. Q2 Ensure learning solutions are effective by being aligned to org’s goals. Driving right behaviors. #lrnchat
11:01 AM GlogsterEDU RT @sguditus: Q0) I’m learning tons of fabulous ideas to share back at my school, to integrate technology and ed @ #masscue! #lrnchat
11:01 AM jarroddodson Q2) increased performance of the learner is always the goal. If the train doesn’t help , than it wasn’t worth the time #lrnchat #lrnchat
11:02 AM NunesMarketing @Quinnovator #lrnchat – How can u be so sure that there is such a thing like ONE LEARNING DESIGN that fits all? I cataloged 5 in my Masters
11:02 AM LearnNuggets @KristiBroom Your next assignment: build 4 strips that tell a story. #lrnchat
11:02 AM sparkandco Q2) how to ensure effectiveness? Do a good analysis first! #lrnchat
11:02 AM onsSara ditto>>>@urbie:Q2 sure my learning solutions are eff.. some are accredited and reviewed by some very serious peeps in trench coats #lrnchat
11:02 AM urbie #lrnchat Q2 i can be sure my learning solutions are effective.. by conforming to standards.. like 508.. so no one is left out..
11:02 AM carneysandoe RT @jaycross: Q2) Ensure is the wrong word here. This is not a precise science. Stuff happens. #lrnchat
11:02 AM Quinnovator RT @jaycross: Q2) Ensure is the wrong word here. This is not a precise science. Stuff happens. #lrnchat < that’s why we test and refine!
11:02 AM sifowler What’s “deep learning design”? (in 140chars!) RT @Quinnovator: Q2) use deep learning design (and avoid cookie cutter ID) #lrnchat 
11:02 AM jaycross Insure would be wrong on this side of the pond. #lrnchat
11:03 AM billcush @sifowler I suggest Levels 1, 2 ,3 are internal measures to learning pros. Biz doesnt care about that..only about biz goals. #lrnchat
11:03 AM Quinnovator @sifowler wiifm intro, model-based concepts, elaborated examples, meaningful challenge… #lrnchat
11:03 AM KristiBroom @learnnuggets Assignment accepted! #lrnchat
11:03 AM sifowler @karen_kelley re. “may not be direct Line” – you mean in terms of it being everso slightly an understatement? #lrnchat
11:03 AM Callooh q2) Involve target learners at multiple pts in the design process #lrnchat
11:03 AMurbie #lrnchat Q2 i can be sure my learning solutions are effective.. by id’ing a metric to measure effectiveness early in the design process..
11:03 AM KristiBroom Q2 “Effective” seems gray. Impact to org performance is obvious measure, but what about lessons learned along the way? #lrnchat
11:03 AM educatorshelper Q2- Rubrics are a great tool to determine if students are meeting objectives and whether solutions have been effective #lrnchat
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11:03 AM KoreenOlbrish Join now! http://bit.ly/bUSfpV RT @drstrangelearn: Live chat with @DL10Ellie in the lab in 5. Talkin org culture #DL10ARG #lrnchat
11:04 AM LearnTribe q2) don’t use happy sheets – but do work out in advance what the learning is supposed to achieve and measure that #lrnchat
11:04 AM sifowler RT @Quinnovator: @sifowler wiifm intro, model-based concepts, elaborated examples, meaningful challenge… #lrnchat
11:04 AM briandusablon @onsSara @urbie Yay! “So no one is left out!” Love it. #usability #accessibility #lrnchat
11:04 AM jaycross Q2) Prototype and test. Probe, sense, respond. We’re dealing with complexity. Analysis is not enough. You have to try it. #lrnchat
11:04 AM jarroddodson RT @jaycross: Q2) Ensure is the wrong word here. This is not a precise science. Stuff happens. <& targets move quickly & often #lrnchat
11:04 AM Quinnovator @NunesMarketing not one design, match best to need, but don’t try to adapt to learner’s ‘style’ #lrnchat
11:04 AM NunesMarketing @Quinnovator #lrnchat. U can ask for the same performance but cant have the same Learning Design that fits all.
11:04 AM briandusablon RT @urbie: #lrnchat Q2 i can be sure my learning solutions are effective by conforming to standards like 508 so no one is left out. #lrnchat
11:04 AM StephanieDaul You can have a solid design but if it didn’t change the behavior is it the “right” design #lrnchat
11:04 AM sguditus Q2) The old adage goes a long way: “It’s not the destination, it’s the jouney.” Learning reflection is essential! #lrnchat
11:04 AM jwinans17 Q2) Can this not also be answered “communication?” But now the question is communication with whom? @shiftguru the learner and org? #lrnchat
11:04 AM dbolen Q2 business results or an expected behavior change #lrnchat
11:04 AM LearnNuggets RT @jaycross: Q2) Ensure is the wrong word here. This is not a precise science. Stuff happens. < Agree. Struggling w/ how to answer #lrnchat
11:05 AM c4lpt Q2) Make sure they relate closely to the *performance* outcomes #lrnchat
11:05 AM jaycross RT @jwinans17: Q2) Can this not also be answered “communication?” | Everything can be answered with communication; thus meaningless #lrnchat
11:05 AM MimiBarbara #lrnchat Q2 Prototype frequently #lrnchat
11:05 AM carneysandoe RT @jaycross: Q2) Prototype & test. Probe, sense, respond. wr dealing w/ complexity. Analysis is not enough. U have 2 try it. #lrnchat
11:05 AM Quinnovator Q2) set outcome metrics, and prototype, test, refine, until achieved (HT @jaycross ) #lrnchat
11:05 AM billcush @sparkandco Harless Quiz: What weighs more – an ounce of analysis or an ounce of objectives? #lrnchat
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11:05 AM LearnNuggets RT @NunesMarketing: @Quinnovator Is there ONE LEARNING DESIGN that fits all? I cataloged 5 in my Masters < 5 designs? or styles? #lrnchat
11:06 AM Quinnovator RT @JamesMcLuckie: Q2. Define specific learning outcomes that can be used as measures. #lrnchat < agreed, but ‘performance’ outcomes!
11:06 AM billcush Bingo! RT @Quinnovator: Q2) set outcome metrics, and prototype, test, refine, until achieved (HT @jaycross ) #lrnchat
11:06 AM NunesMarketing @Quinnovator #lrnchat. Well, there is a software that I applied at MIT where you can adapted content to learning styles
11:06 AM JamesMcLuckie Q2. Define specific learning outcomes that can be used as measures. #lrnchat
11:06 AM billcush Exactly. Is isn’t. RT @StephanieDaul: You can have a solid design but if it didn’t change the behavior is it the “right” design #lrnchat
11:06 AM briandusablon Q2) Test as you go. Peer reviews. Client reviews. #lrnchat
11:06 AM traceyyyz Q2) how to ensure effectiveness? Ongoing learner evaluation and check in. Curric design that is nimble enough to adapt. #lrnchat
11:06 AM nlkilkenny @LearnNuggets @jaycross #lrnchat Q2) I agree. sometimes u have to carefully consider what is to be assessed… espec. w/ Social Learning
11:07 AM traceyyyz RT @sguditus Q2) The old adage goes a long way: “It’s not the destination, it’s the jouney.” Learning reflection is essential! #lrnchat
11:07 AM NunesMarketing @Quinnovator #lrnchat. I’m sorry but your answers are all generic. We need to be more specific. That you can get from Management books
11:07 AM MimiBarbara @traceyyyz #lrnchat Q2) Love your statement “design nimble enought to adapt” #lrnchat
11:07 AM briandusablon Little late. Q0) I learned (AGAIN) that audio editing takes much longer than you think it will. EVERY time. #lrnchat
11:07 AM sifowler Q2) ‘effective’ learning is subjective & objective … tho may be difficult to trace moment of performance back to the training #lrnchat
11:07 AM carneysandoe Q2) Still maintaining feedback is key. Create, implement, feedback, adjust, repeat #lrnchat
11:08 AM carneysandoe RT @sguditus Q2) The old adage goes a long way: “Its not the destination, its the jouney.” Learning reflection is essential! #lrnchat
11:08 AM nlkilkenny @briandusablon Audiowork… So does getting a team to agree on a voice… it’s like herding cats. #lrnchat
11:08 AM LandDDave q2) define effective by asking stakeholders what things look like after a successful program. What would be different? #lrnchat
11:09 AM onsSara Agree ifgoal is to chg bhvoir;not always thegoal @StephanieDaul can have solid design but if didnt chg bhvior isit the*right design #lrnchat
11:09 AM jarroddodson RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:09 AM JamesMcLuckie @Quinnovator < agreed, but performance outcomes! < I think both POs and LOs have their place – agreed POs often in orgs. #lrnchat
11:09 AM carneysandoe RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:09 AM billcush Q2) I like the references to testing and prototyping…like software developers, learning pros should release learning in versions. #lrnchat
11:09 AM urbie #lrnchat ..ensure, the verb not the drink for old people, is the right word.. it has to be part of the process.. no compromises on quality..
11:09 AM jwinans17 @jaycross and yet lack of communication or miscommunication is so frequently a problem #lrnchat
11:09 AM sifowler Q2) ‘ensure’ implies measurement: make sure measurement itself is a recall/retention/practice trigger #lrnchat
11:09 AM lrnchat Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:09 AM LearnNuggets RT @briandusablon: Little late. Q0) I learned (AGAIN) that audio editing takes much longer than you think it will. EVERY time. #lrnchat
11:10 AM  KristiBroom RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:10 AM carneysandoe Q3) That can be a great challenge if there is no basis of comparison this can take time to build one #lrnchat
11:10 AM JamesMcLuckie Q3. I think we have to define ‘efficient’ first. #lrnchat
11:10 AM laura_dickson Q2) Every single scenario, example and exercise should be based on the real world – get rid of fluff #lrnchat
11:10 AM 2GFred RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:10 AM  nlkilkenny Q2) even if the client/stakeholder doesn’t believe in assessment. Do it in the background CYA. #lrnchat
11:10 AM Quinnovator RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:09:57 am jarroddodson: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:09:59 am onsSara: Agree ifgoal is to chg bhvoir;not always thegoal @StephanieDaul can have solid design but if didnt chg bhvior isit the*right design #lrnchat
11:10:21 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:10:25 am nlkilkenny: Q2) even if the client/stakeholder doesn’t believe in assessment. Do it in the background CYA. #lrnchat
11:10:36 am 2GFred: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:10:45 am laura_dickson: Q2) Every single scenario, example and exercise should be based on the real world – get rid of fluff #lrnchat
11:10:53 am JamesMcLuckie: Q3. I think we have to define ‘efficient’ first. #lrnchat
11:10:53 am carneysandoe: Q3) That can be a great challenge if there is no basis of comparison this can take time to build one #lrnchat
11:10:59 am KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:11:00 am billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:11:01 am LandDDave: Q2) don’t be married to a facilitator’s guide – be agile and flexible to the learner’s needs as they relate to the objectives. #lrnchat
11:11:03 am NunesMarketing: @LearnNuggets #lrnchat – 5 Learning styles. Apprentice – Incidental – Inductive – Deductive – Dicovery – Design goes on demand –
11:11:09 am sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:11:21 am Quinnovator: @JamesMcLuckie ah, yes, but wish more perf objectives in schools too (cf Jonassen) #lrnchat
11:11:22 am npmaven: Glad to see ref to reflection as part of the learning package. A facilitator of deeper learning likely to impact performance. #lrnchat
11:11:22 am c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:11:24 am dbolen: RT @billcush: Q2) I like the references to testing and prototyping…like software developers, agile ISD! #lrnchat
11:11:25 am LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:11:25 am LearnNuggets: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:11:26 am NunesMarketing: @Quinnovator #lrnchat – I will. And we discuss this further.
11:11:35 am MichelleLavoie: Q2) Part of the planning process is how the ‘business’ is going to support the transition of knowledge & skills into the workplace #lrnchat
11:11:39 am MimiBarbara: #lrnchat Q3) Efficiency is tough to determine. It is diff for every intervention. #lrnchat
11:11:48 am urbie: #lrnchat Q3 i ensure my learning solutions are efficient by.. measuring how much (waste) heat is produced.. lots of complaints is bad..
11:11:49 am npmaven: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:12:06 am Quinnovator: Q3) Carroll-style minimalism, ramped up challenge #lrnchat
11:12:26 am nlkilkenny: Q3) Just like with project management, consider constraints (resources, time, funds, etc.) #lrnchat
11:12:41 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @Quinnovator ah, yes, but wish more perf objectives in schools too (cf Jonassen) < Interesting for me to follow up on – thanks! #lrnchat
11:12:44 am timesecrets: RT @/nlkilkenny2010Q3) Just like with project management, consider constraints (resources, time, funds, etc.) #lrnchat http://bit.ly/bwY0NT
11:12:48 am carneysandoe: RT @nlkilkenny: Q3) Just like with project management, consider constraints (resources, time, funds, etc.) #lrnchat
11:12:49 am Quinnovator: Q3) “if you get the design right, lots of ways to implement; if you don’t get design right, doesn’t matter *how* implement” #lrnchat
11:12:49 am LearnNuggets: Q3) Portable, Scalable, Interoperable. Oh…and your learners will tell you if its efficient or not – if you listen. #lrnchat
11:12:52 am briandusablon: Q3) Efficiency: again, review, test. Peer feedback – ask the question, “what can I cut?” #lrnchat
11:12:55 am urbie: #lrnchat Q3 i ensure my learning solutions are efficient by.. designing using an approximation (eng. term) approach from ideal to real..
11:13:21 am LandDDave: Q3) Don’t bring people in for ILT when OTJ training options will satisfy the need. #lrnchat
11:13:34 am c4lpt: q3) by not over-engineering solutions; keep it simple #lrnchat
11:13:34 am billcush: Q3) Efficient learning solutions: two of many ways: lower cost per hour of design and delivery. #lrnchat
11:13:35 am onsSara: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *efficient*? #lrnchat
11:13:36 am sifowler: Q3) identify incidental benefits (e.g. relationship building from F2F; digital fluency from SoMe-based learning) #lrnchat
11:13:42 am jarroddodson: Q3) A start to efficiency is to get it out of the classroom and disguise it as fun #lrnchat #lrnchat
11:13:42 am LearnNuggets: @NunesMarketing Sorry. Misunderstood. Thought you said you cataloged 5 learning “designs” #lrnchat
11:13:56 am Quinnovator: Q3) for one, take a second pass and see what you can cut: focus on terse emphasis, not exhaustive elaboration #lrnchat
11:14:00 am sguditus: Q3) Efficiency is tied to one’s willingness to go back to the drawing board and try, try again: but, it’s hard to be vulnerable! #lrnchat
11:14:21 am stipton: Q2) lrning effectiveness @ moment learning is taking place, is a leap of faith then judged by bhvr change in wrkplce. #lrnchat #lrnchat
11:14:23 am billcush: Fast HRM. RT @dbolen: RT @billcush: Q2) I like the references to testing and prototyping…like software developers, agile ISD! #lrnchat
11:14:25 am carneysandoe: RT @jarroddodson: Q3) A start to efficiency is to get it out of the classroom and disguise it as fun <- like that! #lrnchat
11:14:32 am sifowler: agreed RT @billcush: @sifowler I suggest Levels 1, 2 ,3 internal measures to learning pros. Biz cares only about biz goals. #lrnchat
11:14:35 am nlkilkenny: Q3) Efficient? on one level… use user testing: consider making a paper prototype to test functionality, etc. #lrnchat
11:14:36 am lirons: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) use deep learning design (and avoid ‘cookie cutter’ ID) — make dialogue a part of the design process #lrnchat
11:14:44 am briandusablon: @LearnNuggets listen to users? What a novel idea.🙂 #lrnchat
11:15:00 am carneysandoe: RT @sguditus: Q3) Efficiency is tied 2 willingness 2 go back 2 the drawing board & try, try again: but, its hard 2 B vulnerable! #lrnchat
11:15:11 am urbie: #lrnchat Q3 i ensure my learning solutions are efficient by.. involving others: peers, reviewers.. ask lots of questions.. reduce vague-ness
11:15:12 am Quinnovator: RT @briandusablon: @LearnNuggets listen to users? What a novel idea.🙂 #lrnchat < scandalous😉
11:15:19 am 2GFred: Thought: OTJ is efficient because it’s very specific, right? Shouldn’t that apply to ILT as well? #lrnchat
11:15:50 am urbie: #lrnchat Q3 i ensure my learning solutions are efficient by.. doing what Mary Brown taught me: don’t teach them something they already know.
11:16:02 am Quinnovator: Q3) don’t design course if it’s not a skillset issue! #lrnchat
11:16:18 am MichelleLavoie: RT @Quinnovator: Q3) for one, take a second pass and see what you can cut: focus on terse emphasis, not exhaustive elaboration #lrnchat
11:16:20 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @briandusablon: @LearnNuggets listen to users? What a novel idea.🙂 < It’ll never catch on!😉 #lrnchat
11:16:22 am sifowler: Q3) identify what really requires synchronous (virtual or F2F), everything else can be asynch/pull #lrnchat
11:16:30 am billcush: L&D has customers? Hmmm. RT @Quinnovator: RT @briandusablon: @LearnNuggets listen to users? What a novel idea.🙂 #lrnchat < scandalous😉
11:16:44 am carneysandoe: @urbie do you ever use surveymonkey? #lrnchat
11:16:46 am nlkilkenny: RT @carneysandoe: RT @jarroddodson: Q3) A start to efficiency is to get it out of the classroom and disguise it as fun <- like that! #lrnchat
11:16:52 am c4lpt: q2&3) The most effective & efficient “solutions” are often created by users themselves; work with them rather thn imposing ur own #lrnchat
11:16:57 am onsSara: RT @Quinnovator: Q3) dont design course if its not a skillset issue! #lrnchat
11:17:02 am lirons: Q3) design for pull as well as push #lrnchat
11:17:26 am MariaDroujkova: Q3 I observe learners being successful at their tasks. If they can work, learning worked. #lrnchat
11:17:28 am stipton: Q3) The key is in our pre-work. A gap analysis that addresses lrnrs needs rather than what “we” think the learner requires. #lrnchat
11:17:33 am jarroddodson: RT @Quinnovator: Q3) dont design course if its not a skillset issue! <<what a novel concept #lrnchat
11:17:34 am urbie: #lrnchat Q3 i ensure my learning solutions are efficient by.. designing ILT to require lots of moving around space (chairs are bad)..
11:18:12 am kasey428: RT @urbie:Q3 i ensure learning solutions are efficient by.. doing what Mary Brown taught me: dont teach something they already know #lrnchat
11:18:19 am urbie: #lrnchat Q3 i ensure my learning solutions are efficient by.. following Michelle Jackman’s advice and using humor when/where it makes sense
11:18:35 am billcush: @Quinnovator If not a skill set issue > I think I like this..you mean.if not skillset, people should learn it on their own? #lrnchat
11:18:37 am nlkilkenny: @C4LPT Q3)Users make awesome validators of a learning concept. I try to think like a student with but in seat real or electronic. #lrnchat
11:18:40 am sifowler: Q3) ensure sustainment activities & opportunities are in place to help recall/retention; otherwise “training time” is inefficient #lrnchat
11:18:46 am onsSara: sometimes issue w faculty!> RT @urbie:Q3 ensure my learning solutions are efficient by.dont teach them something they already know. #lrnchat
11:18:48 am Quinnovator: Q3) ramp up challenge as far as you can (get through quickly, and for Q4) #lrnchat
11:19:29 am carneysandoe: @urbie Ah but do complications arise if you have to re-teach something they know? #lrnchat
11:19:33 am tonya_simmons: Q3) with elearning – take stuff out – efficient is not wasting ppl’s time but still getting pt across #lrnchat
11:19:47 am JamesMcLuckie: Q3. Work with what people already know and create the conditions for follow-up discussion/interaction. #lrnchat
11:19:52 am LearnNuggets: Q3) Design “for” efficiency. Consider not only learning objective, but learning environment. #lrnchat
11:19:52 am Quinnovator: RT @urbie: #lrnchat Q3 ensure learning solutions are efficient by.. doing what MB taught me: don’t teach them something they already know.
11:20:00 am sguditus: Q3) Efficiency…yes, fun – but get into your FLOW (@danpink and Csikszentmihalyi) in education! #lrnchat
11:20:08 am sifowler: a ‘course’ may be just the break people need to do real work! RT @Quinnovator: Q3) dont design course if its not a skillset issue! #lrnchat
11:20:08 am laura_dickson: Q4) With IT training, keep it short, to the point and task based – help learner find exactly what they need, don’t give them a tour #lrnchat
11:20:15 am carneysandoe: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Q3. Work with what people already know and create the conditions for follow-up discussion/interaction. #lrnchat
11:20:29 am kasey428: RT@C4LPT Q3)Users make awesome validators of a learning concept.I try to think like a student with but in seat real or electronic. #lrnchat
11:20:34 am Quinnovator: @billcush no, if not skillset, maybe a knowledge issue – create job aid, or attitude – change culture #lrnchat
11:20:47 am urbie: #lrnchat Q3 i ensure my learning solutions are efficient by.. using story [case studies?] draw on learners’ experiences.. share the load..
11:20:50 am Callooh: @billcush Think Q means that not every problem requires training, sometimes a job aid will do it. #lrnchat
11:21:03 am sparkandco: Q3) consider user generated as an option to increase efficiency. #lrnchat
11:21:12 am Quinnovator: @sifowler would argue if they need break to do real work, something else besides a course is the answer😉 #lrnchat
11:21:29 am Quinnovator: RT @sparkandco: Q3) consider user generated as an option to increase efficiency. #lrnchat < yay
11:21:33 am npmaven: RT @urbie: Q3 i ensure my learning solutions are efficient by using story [case studies?] draw on learners experiences. #lrnchat
11:21:37 am sguditus: Q3) Efficiency…yes, fun – but get into your FLOW (@danielpink and Csikszentmihalyi) in education! #lrnchat
11:21:45 am Quinnovator: RT @Callooh: @billcush Think Q means that not every problem requires training, sometimes a job aid will do it. #lrnchat < yep!
11:21:47 am briandusablon: When, where & who. RT @LearnNuggets: Q3) Design “for” efficiency. Consider not only learning objective, but learning environment. #lrnchat
11:21:50 am carneysandoe: @urbie Far past what we are able to do! We frequently rely on surveymonkey, have found it very useful in many situations. #lrnchat
11:22:01 am briandusablon: RT @sparkandco: Q3) consider user generated as an option to increase efficiency. #lrnchat
11:22:03 am LandDDave: Q3) Clearly define ‘need-to-know’ and ‘nice-to-know’ and then add ‘niceties’ based on how efficient you need to be. #lrnchat
11:22:13 am Quinnovator: Q3) get learners to share lessons (HT @urbie) #lrnchat
11:22:21 am c4lpt: q3) Dont provide them with lots of content to memorize, but where to go for help if/when they need it #lrnchat
11:22:27 am Quinnovator: RT @LandDDave: Q3) Clearly define ‘need-to-know’ and ‘nice-to-know’ and then add ‘niceties’ based on how efficient you need to be. #lrnchat
11:22:31 am KristiBroom: RT @c4lpt: q2&3) most effective & efficient “solutions” are often created by users; work w/ them rather thn imposing ur own #lrnchat
11:22:32 am lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:22:36 am Quinnovator: RT @C4LPT: q3) Dont provide them with lots of content to memorize, but where to go for help if/when they need it #lrnchat
11:22:39 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:22:41 am npmaven: (Nonprofits are full of stories. How are you incorporating them into your organizational learning opps, formal & informal?) #lrnchat
11:22:46 am billcush: right..got it. RT @Quinnovator: no, if not skillset, maybe a knowledge issue – create job aid, or attitude – change culture #lrnchat
11:22:52 am carneysandoe: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:22:57 am dbolen: Q3 allow elearners to self navigate and avoid the stuff already know or allow test out #lrnchat
11:23:06 am Quinnovator: Q4) um, er, wrote a book on that😉 http://www.engaginglearning.com #lrnchat
11:23:06 am npmaven: Critical. RT @c4lpt: q3) Dont provide them with lots of content to memorize, but where to go for help if/when they need it #lrnchat
11:23:07 am sifowler: RT @LandDDave: Q3) Clearly define need-to-know and nice-to-know and then add niceties based on how efficient you need to be. #lrnchat
11:23:12 am npmaven: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:14 am billcush: Ah ha…got it. Yep. RT @Callooh: @billcush Think Q means that not every problem requires training, sometimes a job aid will do it. #lrnchat
11:23:19 am c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:19 am mrch0mp3rs: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) um, er, wrote a book on that😉 http://www.engaginglearning.com #lrnchat
11:23:20 am jarroddodson: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:23 am KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:25 am sparkandco: RT @c4lpt: q3) Dont provide them with lots of content to memorize, but where to go for help if/when they need it #lrnchat
11:23:26 am 2GFred: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:27 am LearnNuggets: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:37 am jarroddodson: @lrnchat when the fall asleep–it is a bad sign #lrnchat
11:23:23 am KristiBroom: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:25 am sparkandco: RT @c4lpt: q3) Dont provide them with lots of content to memorize, but where to go for help if/when they need it #lrnchat
11:23:26 am 2GFred: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:27 am LearnNuggets: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:37 am jarroddodson: @lrnchat when the fall asleep–it is a bad sign #lrnchat
11:23:46 am stipton: Q3) Activies req a learning goal, humor & moving around r great & make good smile sheets, but do they leave the lrnr asking why? #lrnchat
11:23:48 am nlkilkenny: RT @npmaven: (Nonprofits are full of stories. How are you incorporating them into your organizational learning opps, formal & informal?) #lrnchat
11:23:50 am billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:23:52 am LandDDave: Q3) if nothing is lost in translation, chunk your learning into bite-sized morsels. (reminds me… I should get lunch). #lrnchat
11:23:53 am urbie: @carneysandoe #lrnchat that’s cool.. no need to re-create the wheel..
11:24:12 am jarroddodson: RT @c4lpt: q3) Dont provide them with lots of content to memorize, but where to go for help if/when they need it #lrnchat
11:24:18 am traceyyyz: @sguditus that is it! this question was really bugging me but couldn’t put it into words. get to flow and “efficiency” will follow. #lrnchat
11:24:21 am sparkandco: RT @LearnNuggets: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:24:27 am MichelleLavoie: Q4) Facilitate discussion and learning, don’t teach (lecture) #lrnchat
11:24:28 am npmaven: Q4) Engaging learning experiences? Start by meeting them where they are. #lrnchat
11:24:32 am LearnNuggets: Q4) Simple. Give up control and let learner explore & discover. Let them create their own story while navigating content. #lrnchat
11:24:35 am chrisstjohn: Q4) With enough thirst, pigs fly just fine… #lrnchat
11:24:37 am tonya_simmons: Q4) don’t just expect them to keep clicking the next button #lrnchat
11:24:55 am Quinnovator: Q4) clear goal, meaningful context, appropriate challenge, active choices, coupled feedback #lrnchat
11:24:55 am KristiBroom: RT @jarroddodson: @lrnchat when the fall asleep–it is a bad sign <– very true! #lrnchat
11:24:55 am MichelleLavoie: Q4) Let learners discover for themselves, make mistakes, try different ways #lrnchat
11:25:02 am LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:25:02 am kasey428: Q4 Alpha testing w/learning focus group made of real learners from a client group. #lrnchat
11:25:06 am urbie: #lrnchat i ensure my learning solutions are engaging by.. listening for “ooh’s” and “ah’s” in the design phase.. they’re good!!
11:25:11 am npmaven: RT @LearnNuggets: Q4) Give up control and let learner explore & discover. Let them create their own story while navigating content. #lrnchat
11:25:13 am stipton: LOL @jarroddodson its not the sleeping it’s the snoring! #lrnchat
11:25:19 am sifowler: and who to go to RT @c4lpt: q3) Dont provide them with lots of content to memorize, but where to go for help if/when they need it #lrnchat
11:25:29 am billcush: Q4) Ensure engaging learning: Has to be relevant. Then, learners should be doing most of the work… oh, and…bring donuts! #lrnchat
11:25:29 am web20education: Useful information via @ktenkely Digital Storytelling Sites #edtech20 #safedchat #edchat #lrnchat #web20chat #ple http://amplify.com/u/e52e
11:25:30 am sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:25:30 am nlkilkenny: RT @chrisstjohn: Q4) With enough thirst, pigs fly just fine… #lrnchat
11:25:30 am c4lpt: q4) “Control leads to compliance; autonomy leads to engagement” says Dan Pink in Drive. #lrnchat
11:25:38 am LearnNuggets: RT @mrch0mp3rs: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) um, er, wrote a book on that😉 www.engaginglearning.com < I got that book w/ autograph! #lrnchat
11:25:38 am carneysandoe: @urbie A solid point on re-teaching #lrnchat
11:25:40 am Quinnovator: Q4) get out of the way, let them engage with problems, and provide appropriate resources #lrnchat
11:25:45 am urbie: #lrnchat i ensure my learning solutions are engaging by.. listening for “uhm’s” or open-ended “hmms” during alpha/beta.. these are bad😦
11:25:51 am jarroddodson: RT @MichelleLavoie: Q4) Facilitate discussion <–I love this, but how do you generate discussion when it is new information? #lrnchat
11:25:54 am npmaven: Create env. where mistakes possible. RT @MichelleLavoie: Q4) Let learners discover 4 themselves, make mistakes, try different ways #lrnchat
11:26:01 am briandusablon: Q4) Engaging? Depends on user. You can’t guarantee. No one solution. Goal is to provide enough options to cover most users. #lrnchat
11:26:11 am cpjobling: Q3) Institution view: lecture considered quite efficient. One authority 300 students listening, absorbing and learning… #lrnchat
11:26:15 am stipton: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) get out of the way, let them engage with problems, and provide appropriate resources #lrnchat
11:26:15 am JamesMcLuckie: Q4. The power of telling relevant stories is a much undervalued trait in learning engagement. #lrnchat
11:26:16 am npmaven: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) get out of the way, let them engage with problems, and provide appropriate resources #lrnchat
11:26:18 am nlkilkenny: @npmaven Starting where they’re at? That’s a trick I used used use when teaching middle school🙂 #lrnchat
11:26:19 am laura_dickson: Q4) try to open up course navigation, and make all examples scenarios relevant and realistic, #lrnchat
11:26:24 am jwinans17: RT @MichelleLavoie: Q4) Let learners discover for themselves, make mistakes, try different ways #lrnchat
11:26:26 am CraigTaylor74: Q4) Ask your learners what the *real* challenges are that they face in this subject & then design activities around them #lrnchat
11:26:28 am chrisstjohn: Q4) Focus group testing of real learners, not just instructors. #lrnchat
11:26:29 am billcush: Q4) he/she who invents the donut dispenser for e-learning design, gets a customer out of me. #lrnchat
11:26:38 am Callooh: q4) Keller’s ARCS model is a good start; provide experiences that mirror real-world problems #lrnchat
11:26:40 am Quinnovator: @cpjobling confounds listening with learning😉 #lrnchat
11:26:52 am LearnNuggets: RT @c4lpt: q4) “Control leads to compliance; autonomy leads to engagement” says Dan Pink in Drive. #lrnchat
11:27:05 am Quinnovator: RT @Callooh: q4) Keller’s ARCS model is a good start; provide experiences that mirror real-world problems #lrnchat < yes!
11:27:11 am npmaven:🙂 RT @nlkilkenny: @npmaven Starting where theyre at? Thats a trick I used used use when teaching middle school🙂 #lrnchat
11:27:13 am sparkandco: Q4) Story. Challenge. Play. Depends – is it self-paced? Instructor led? Online? F2F? #lrnchat
11:27:26 am sparkandco: RT @LearnNuggets: RT @c4lpt: q4) “Control leads to compliance; autonomy leads to engagement” says Dan Pink in Drive. #lrnchat
11:27:27 am Quinnovator: RT @billcush: Q4) he/she who invents the donut dispenser for e-learning design, gets a customer out of me. #lrnchat < *so* behaviorist😉
11:27:28 am dbolen: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Q4. The power of telling relevant stories is a much undervalued trait in learning engagement. #lrnchat
11:27:28 am LandDDave: Q4) I find shifting styles at least every 10 minutes critical for all types of delivery. #lrnchat
11:27:38 am carneysandoe: Q4) Provide feedback and opportunity to reflect on their own and their peers performance in a positive and safe environment #lrnchat
11:27:39 am stipton: sweet idea @billcush, it must come with a coffee dispenser as well!! #lrnchat
11:27:43 am LearnNuggets: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) get out of the way, let them engage with problems, and provide appropriate resources. < NO! Give up control?! #lrnchat
11:27:46 am npmaven: RT @CraigTaylor74: Q4) Ask your learners what the *real* challenges are in this subject & then design activities around them #lrnchat
11:27:47 am nlkilkenny: Q4) Creating engaging learning? start by not repeating the same trick over an over again. Camtasia, Captivate, Job aids. Variety! #lrnchat
11:27:50 am sifowler: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) um, er, wrote a book on that😉 http://www.engaginglearning.com #lrnchat
11:28:02 am cpjobling: Q3) Learner view: one learner one or more responsive mentors and peers encouraging learning by engaging, challenging, supporting #lrnchat
11:28:31 am npmaven: Appreciating range of thoughts re: creating engaged learning in #lrnchat. #lrnchat
11:28:39 am c4lpt: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) get out of the way, let them engage with problems, and provide appropriate resources #lrnchat
11:28:40 am Quinnovator: Q4) define ‘experience’ outcomes also, and refine ’til achieved! (HT @chrisstjohn ) #lrnchat
11:28:46 am carneysandoe: RT @CraigTaylor74: Q4) Ask your learners what the *real* challenges are in this subject & then design activities around them #lrnchat
11:28:56 am LandDDave: Q4) If you often deal with the same learners, throw in some surprises. Don’t let them know what to expect next. #lrnchat
11:29:02 am npmaven: RT @cpjobling: Q3) Learner view: 1 learner 1 or more responsive mentors peers encouraging by engaging, challenging, supporting #lrnchat
11:29:10 am MichelleLavoie: Q4) Most importantly, ensure learners leave their experience knowing or doing something the WAY IT IS DONE in their work enviro #lrnchat
11:29:15 am sifowler: Q4) engage implies something interlocking, learner has to have a stake & a consequence for being there #lrnchat
11:29:27 am Quinnovator: Q4) do NOT use tarted up game show! #lrnchat
11:29:30 am laura_dickson: Q4) View each course’s design with a fresh outlook, if you’re not engaged and excited, the learner definitely wont be #lrnchat
11:29:38 am tonya_simmons: RT @LandDDave: Q4) If you often deal with the same learners, throw in some surprises. Dont let them know what to expect next. #lrnchat
11:29:39 am cpjobling: Q3) Instritutional view of efficiency vs student view of efficiency. We call that an impedance mismatch! http://bit.ly/bIofJL #lrnchat
11:29:43 am urbie: #lrnchat i ensure my learning solutions are engaging by: pushing envelope [my org. is conservative] where it makes sense based on research..
11:29:49 am billcush: Q4) Eureka!!! Anyone who completes this e-learning module, gets a coupon code for free donut at Winchell’s . #lrnchat
11:29:56 am KristiBroom: RT @LearnNuggets: RT @c4lpt: q4) “Control leads to compliance; autonomy leads to engagement” says Dan Pink in Drive. <–Nice! #lrnchat
11:30:09 am onsSara: Q4) Ensure engaging learning? i’ve been reading about cinemeducation for healthcare ed. will be incorporating soon #lrnchat
11:30:11 am npmaven: (Nonprofits, how many of your learning experiences fit these ‘engaging’ definitions? How can we expand that?) #lrnchat
11:30:12 am jwinans17: RT @c4lpt: q4) “Control leads to compliance; autonomy leads to engagement” says Dan Pink in Drive. #lrnchat
11:30:25 am stipton: Q4) The instructor must remember it’s not about you being engaged, it’s about the learner being engaged. Remember your audience. #lrnchat
11:30:25 am tonymccune: Q4) keep it simple & on topic. Nobody likes a rambler. #lrnchat
11:30:29 am jarroddodson: Q4) competition tends to get the blood flowing, a game can always be fun–just make it educational–now we are back to Q1,2,3 #lrnchat
11:30:35 am Quinnovator: Q4) unpredictabliity: novelty (HT @LandDDave ) #lrnchat
11:30:47 am LearnNuggets: RT @billcush: Q4) Eureka!!! Anyone who completes this e-learning module, gets a coupon code for free donut at Winchells . #lrnchat
11:31:08 am sifowler: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) unpredictabliity: novelty (HT @LandDDave ) #lrnchat
11:31:11 am 2GFred: @billcush couldn’t they just phone in their order?🙂 #lrnchat
11:31:18 am urbie: #lrnchat Q4 i ensure my learning solutions are engaging by.. showing them to my 13 yo.. diverse opinions from un-trained (un-biased?) eyes..
11:31:21 am cpjobling: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do you ensure your learning solutions are *engaging*? #lrnchat
11:31:25 am tonymccune: RT @nlkilkenny: Q4) Start by not repeating the same trick over an over again. Camtasia, Captivate, Job aids. Variety! #lrnchat
11:31:29 am onsSara: indeed >> RT @Quinnovator: Q4) unpredictabliity: novelty (HT @LandDDave ) #lrnchat
11:31:38 am Quinnovator: Q4) push the envelope of creativity (HT @urbie ), and *make* the stakeholders rein you in (your learners will thank you) #lrnchat
11:31:39 am LandDDave: Q4) no different than my 2 year old with blocks. I put them in front of him, let him explore, and ensure he doesn’t hurt himself. #lrnchat
11:31:43 am LearnNuggets: Secret Sauce: RT @jarroddodson: Q4) competition tends to get the blood flowing, a game can always be fun–just make it educational #lrnchat
11:31:53 am traceyyyz: Q4) by watching and listening and following the energy. where there is energy, do more. where there is no energy, move on. #lrnchat
11:31:54 am jarroddodson: RT @2GFred: @billcush couldnt they just phone in their order? <—that would require forethought! #lrnchat
11:32:00 am tonya_simmons: Q4) use real-life scenarios and allow learners to explore all possible outcomes – even the less than ideal response #lrnchat
11:32:17 am c4lpt: q4) Remember you can take a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. Let the horse find the water itself #lrnchat
11:32:17 am nlkilkenny: @urbie hear you about working for conservative environments #lrnchat. I try to build a concept prototype 1st-prove-ask forgiveness later
11:32:25 am carneysandoe: RT @jarroddodson: Q4) competition tends to get the blood flowing, a game can always be fun–just make it educational #lrnchat
11:32:37 am tadams_InMind: @stiptonn t’s about the learner being engaged. Remember your audience. #lrnchat – learners learn best from each other!
11:32:37 am Quinnovator: oh, yeah back to Q2) trap misconceptions explicitly! #lrnchat
11:32:43 am npmaven: RT @tonya_simmons: Q4) use real-life scenarios and allow learners to explore all possible outcomes – even less than ideal response #lrnchat
11:32:45 am urbie: Q4 i ensure my learning solutions are engaging by.. participating in #lrnchat and following up on tweeps blogs to widen my perspective..
11:33:05 am LandDDave: Q4) reminding learners why they should care always helps. #lrnchat
11:33:14 am Quinnovator: RT @Quinnovator: oh, yeah back to Q2) trap misconceptions explicitly! #lrnchat < HT @tonya_simmons BTW
11:33:28 am cpjobling: Q4) I wish I knew the magic formula for engagement … I really do. It has to be more than gimmickry. #lrnchat
11:33:28 am onsSara: Q4) who’s using simulations? #lrnchat
11:33:43 am 2GFred: @jarroddodson — and cellphones in their classroom!! #lrnchat
11:33:52 am Quinnovator: RT @LandDDave: Q4) reminding learners why they should care always helps. #lrnchat < hook ’em in viscerally!
11:33:58 am psallesf: RT @c4lpt: q4) Remember you can take a horse to water, but you can’t make him drink. Let the horse find the water itself #lrnchat
11:33:58 am carneysandoe: RT @onsSara: Q4) whos using simulations? #lrnchat
11:34:13 am Quinnovator: RT @onsSara: Q4) who’s using simulations? #lrnchat < not enough folks!
11:34:24 am sifowler: what if the horse doesn’t know that water is the answer to its thirst? RT @c4lpt: q4) Let the horse find the water itself #lrnchat
11:34:38 am jarroddodson: @2GFred well, I am an educator of adults, cellphones tend to be overly prevalent in my classrooms! #lrnchat
11:34:40 am carneysandoe: Q4) Has anyone had success with role playing? #lrnchat
11:34:48 am urbie: @nlkilkenny #lrnchat ..yup.. i work in law enforcement.. “the man”.. forgiveness is cool.. taught me not to use a pink smart car pic again..
11:34:53 am jwinans17: Q4: Same tricks work with middle school aged to college students to professors -stories, games, get up & move around, trial & error #lrnchat
11:35:02 am tonya_simmons: @onsSara we use sims – specifically CSR type scenarios that record learners response in the LMS (manager can play them back) #lrnchat
11:35:03 am sparkandco: RT @Quinnovator: RT @onsSara: Q4) whos using simulations? #lrnchat < not enough folks! start with branching scenarios? #lrnchat
11:35:20 am lrnchat: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? #lrnchat
11:35:20 am Quinnovator: RT @CarneySandoe: Q4) Has anyone had success with role playing? #lrnchat < yes, even online, book coming (out?) from Wills, Leigh, & Ip
11:35:28 am sparkandco: RT @Quinnovator: RT @LandDDave: Q4) reminding learners why they should care always helps. #lrnchat < hook em in viscerally! Yes! #lrnchat
11:35:34 am stipton: Q4) Let them learn from their mistakes. Start a live simulation allowing learners (as actors) to “tap in” with responses. #lrnchat
11:35:40 am 2GFred: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? #lrnchat
11:35:45 am npmaven: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? #lrnchat
11:35:48 am jarroddodson: RT @sifowler: what if the horse doesnt know that water is the answer to its thirst? RT @c4lpt: q4) <–or has no interest in the H2O #lrnchat
11:36:01 am Quinnovator: @sparkandco sure, start with branching scenarios as a way to get experience in design #lrnchat
11:36:01 am urbie: @onsSara #lrnchat using simulations can be tough, esp. when constrained by 508.. there are other ways [besides rich media].. rethink is key.
11:36:07 am jarroddodson: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? #lrnchat
11:36:13 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? #lrnchat
11:36:17 am c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? #lrnchat
11:36:32 am JamesMcLuckie: Q5. Start by planning your evaluation at the *beginning* of the learning design process. #lrnchat
11:36:41 am cpjobling: Q4) Reflecting on myself … curiosity is what keeps me learning. How do I spark curiosity in a topic like “control systems”? #lrnchat
11:36:45 am urbie: @carneysandoe #lrnchat << love >> to use story in elearning courses i produce.. where learner is “alone” story can add missing depth..
11:36:45 am Quinnovator: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Q5. Start by planning your evaluation at the *beginning* of the learning design process. #lrnchat < !
11:36:55 am traceyyyz: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? #lrnchat
11:36:57 am cpjobling: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? #lrnchat
11:36:59 am sparkandco: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Q5. Start by planning your evaluation at the *beginning* of the learning design process. #lrnchat
11:37:01 am LandDDave: Q4) Don’t assume fun is engaging. Fun by itself is just that: fun. Fun plus Relevance is engaging. #lrnchat
11:37:05 am npmaven: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Q5. Start by planning your evaluation at the *beginning* of the learning design process. #lrnchat
11:37:07 am nlkilkenny: RT @sifowler: what if the horse doesn’t know that water is the answer to its thirst? RT @c4lpt: q4) Let the horse find the water itself #lrnchat
11:37:08 am Quinnovator: Q5) set your usability, performance, and experience objectives at the start, iterate until achieved #lrnchat
11:37:25 am eishida1: 3) Think, “How can I meet Learn Objective faster, cheaper, and with fewer resources?” #lrnchat
11:37:33 am Quinnovator: RT @LandDDave: Q4) Don’t assume fun is engaging. Fun by itself is just that: fun. Fun plus Relevance is engaging. #lrnchat < ‘hard fun’
11:37:36 am jarroddodson: Q5) if you are training for improvement in skill set, quantify changes in the targeted skill sets. #lrnchat
11:37:43 am sparkandco: Q5) Do the right things (analysis) and do them right (evaluation) are intertwined. Start there. #lrnchat
11:37:55 am carneysandoe: @urbie how do you incorporate it? More like a play (acting out with script?) #lrnchat
11:38:05 am briandusablon: Q5) Informal and constant evaluation. Never-ending. #lrnchat
11:38:06 am sparkandco: RT @Quinnovator: Q5) set your usability, performance, and experience objectives at the start, iterate until achieved #lrnchat
11:38:11 am jwinans17: Q4: Assign online students community service type projects. Gets them out into the community, can also do projects online. #lrnchat
11:38:19 am tonymccune: RT @lrnchat: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? Has to be more than test scores #lrnchat
11:38:25 am sifowler: Q5) RT @sifowler: Q2) ‘ensure’ implies measurement: make sure measurement itself is a recall/retention/practice trigger #lrnchat
11:38:27 am urbie: #lrnchat Q5 my learning solutions are evaluated.. at a minimum via level 1 feedback forms..
11:38:35 am carneysandoe: @Quinnovator good to know thanks! #lrnchat
11:38:49 am nlkilkenny: RT @urbie: @onsSara #lrnchat using simulations can be tough, esp. when constrained by 508.. there are other ways [besides rich media].. rethink is key.
11:38:49 am urbie: #lrnchat Q5 my learning solutions are evaluated.. some of my courses are accredited.. the vetting process [before deployment] is deep..
11:39:19 am urbie: #lrnchat Q5 my learning solutions are evaluated.. one or two of my projects went to level 3 evaluation.. takes lots of time n resources..
11:39:25 am c4lpt: @LandDDave One person’s fun is another’s agony, right? #lrnchat
11:39:35 am LearnNuggets: Q5) If EPS is growing, training is good. If not, it’s training’s fault. What? That’s what I’m dealing with most days. #lrnchat
11:39:38 am usablelearning: RT @Quinnovator: RT @LandDDave: Q4) Don’t assume fun is engaging. Fun by itself is just that: fun. Fun plus Relevance is engaging. #lrnchat < ‘hard fun’
11:39:40 am eishida1: @lrnchat Q4) Involve participants in the teaching. Ask for experiences, teach backs, and sharing. Let them pull from facilitator and others
11:40:08 am jwinans17: RT@CarneySandoe Q4) Has anyone has success with role playing? #lrnchat Yes. Assign students roles to take during online discussions.
11:40:08 am sifowler: @c4lpt this is what I mean: control systems=water RT @cpjobling: Q4) How do I spark curiosity in a topic like “control systems”? #lrnchat
11:40:09 am eestes1: Q4) tough as “engaging” is subjective. Offer multiple ways to present wbt info/training. Try to get employee feedback afterwards #lrnchat
11:40:15 am urbie: #lrnchat Q5 my learning solutions are evaluated.. mostly by identifying some (in)dependent variable for response some time later..
11:40:37 am urbie: #lrnchat Q5 my learning solutions are evaluated.. by others.. peeps in trench coats..
11:40:42 am nlkilkenny: Q5) Again build in some evaluation even though client/boss is not convinced of value. How many utilized. Star ratings for items. #lrnchat
11:40:42 am sifowler: RT @LandDDave: Q4) Dont assume fun is engaging. Fun by itself is just that: fun. Fun plus Relevance is engaging. #lrnchat
11:40:48 am Quinnovator: @eestes1 nothing wrong with subjective: *ask* the learner whether they like it or not #lrnchat
11:40:49 am LearnNuggets: @usablelearning @Quinnovator @LandDDave Hard Fun. Sounds like that should be a title to an awesome book! #lrnchat
11:41:34 am Quinnovator: @LearnNuggets maybe small reminder that training needs to be aligned to biz goals (but EPS *is* indirect measure) #lrnchat
11:41:57 am jarroddodson: RT @Quinnovator: @eestes1 nothing wrong with subj *ask* the learner whether they like it or not<-& ask if it needed something else #lrnchat
11:42:31 am onsSara: Q5: How 2 evaluate? decide the level of learning/eval @ start- change practice? change self? score on a test (info check)? etc #lrnchat
11:42:42 am shiftguru: Will have to jump off for a client demo but will be back later #lrnchat
11:42:43 am urbie: @carneysandoe #lrnchat take a look at http://www.ficacy.com/port.html ..the vignette or echo example.. stuff like that..
11:42:46 am sifowler: Don’t, just don’t, tell me that “we’re going to do something fun/engaging”. Brings out the curmudgeon in me. #lrnchat
11:43:39 am Quinnovator: @sifowler exactly: you can’t tell ’em it’s a game, they tell *you* if it’s a game or not! #lrnchat
11:43:43 am CraigTaylor74: Q5) If compliance based then via RIDDOR stats/near misses/SUSA stats as this shows transfer (or not) to the workplaces #lrnchat
11:43:53 am carneysandoe: @jwinans17 thanks for sharing! #lrnchat
11:44:17 am urbie: @carneysandoe #lrnchat ..low-tech [no flash] craft an engaging story where the learner is a character.. enable outcomes based on actions..
11:44:18 am traceyyyz: Q5) Learner evaluations. I started telling people what had changed in response to evals and find people take it more seriously now. #lrnchat
11:44:21 am Quinnovator: Q5) of course, in real world, evaluate to see if meets required ‘bum in seat’ time (sigh) #lrnchat
11:44:27 am LandDDave: Q5) I look forward to the day when I can evaluate by reviewing the tweet stream during breaks, and adapt accordingly. #lrnchat
11:44:28 am c4lpt: @sifowler Drink or die! Find out about control systems or get fired/fail exams! #lrnchat
11:44:31 am MartijnLinssen: Witnessing a continuous stream of tweets on #lrnchat http://bit.ly/9Lj4AM @TheTwuniverse
11:44:59 am tonya_simmons: @sifowler yes, the usual response is to groan and roll the eyes when I hear that phrase – nothing worse than “forced fun” #lrnchat
11:45:01 am Quinnovator: RT @LandDDave: Q5) look forward to day when I can evaluate by reviewing the tweet stream during breaks, and adapt accordingly. #lrnchat
11:45:28 am lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat
11:45:42 am urbie: @sifowler #lrnchat ..give the learner control of a system.. drown them [in a pleasant way] if they can’t control effectively..
11:45:43 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat < already? time goes *so* fast
11:45:44 am nlkilkenny: #lrnchat… though I wonder trying too hard to make games makes them… “not so cool.”
11:46:07 am traceyyyz: RT @LandDDave Q5) I look forward to the day when I can evaluate by reviewing the tweet stream during breaks, & adapt accordingly. #lrnchat
11:46:14 am sifowler: Q5) answer to Q1 (align learning outcomes to org. objectives) forms the basis of the answer to Q5 (measurement) #lrnchat
11:46:15 am Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design strategist extraordinaire, genial malcontent, consultant/speaker/author #lrnchat
11:46:16 am tonymccune: Q5) start with a target comprehension goal before content development. How else can you measure? #lrnchat
11:46:16 am eestes1: Q4) Also I find some employees/learners simply will never be happy. You can’t use that minority to judge the learning. #lrnchat
11:46:26 am 2GFred: RT @Quinnovator: RT @LandDDave: Q5) look fward to day when can evaluate by reviewing tweet stream during breaks &adapt accordingly. #lrnchat
11:46:35 am jarroddodson: RT @sifowler: Q5) answer to Q1 (align learning outcomes to org. objectives) forms the basis of the answer to Q5 (measurement) #lrnchat
11:46:39 am tekkbabe859: RT @LearnNuggets: Q4) Simple. Give up control and let learner explore & discover. Let them create their own story while navigating content. #lrnchat
11:46:44 am LearnNuggets: @Quinnovator Agree. Hard to evaluate individual trng. ALL tied to sales plus fast-paced speed-to-market hard to keep up at times. #lrnchat
11:46:51 am jarroddodson: Jarrod Dodson, B’ham, AL Employee Development Thanks for all the thoughts and ideas! #lrnchat
11:47:47 am delasare: Going to DevLearn? Play BackChatter @ http://bc.impactgames.com #lrnchat
11:47:55 am sparkandco: Qwrap) Holly MacDonald – Learning Strategist – blogging at sparkyourinterest.wordpress.com – on the far west coast of Canada, eh. #lrnchat
11:47:57 am Quinnovator: shameless plug: plan to be in Europe Dec 4-10; would welcome gig(s), e.g. workshop, consult, etc (first come…) contact me #lrnchat
11:48:03 am urbie: #lrnchat urbie delgado, instructional designer, wash. d.c., fielding u. doctoral student, peaceloveflowers.com, humanity in elearning baby..
11:48:08 am LandDDave: Q5) It’s not always relevant, but some evaluations are based on what type of data stakeholders are looking for. #lrnchat
11:48:15 am jwinans17: Jessica Winans, instructional designer (and geographer), University of Montana Western in beautiful Dillon, MT #lrnchat
11:48:41 am nlkilkenny: #lrnchat is always the best place to learn great new ideas and validate my thoughts… Thanks all! Natalie- Instructional Designer from #pdx
11:48:41 am KatieStroudPro: Q5) How do you *evalute* your learning solutions? #lrnchat ROE: Return on Expectations
11:48:43 am tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, project developer, Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames, IA, www.phasient.com #lrnchat
11:48:45 am edReformer: Douglas Crets, editor of www.edreformer.com, in East Village, NYC home of Patti Smith and Iggy Pop #lrnchat
11:48:48 am cpjobling: Qwrap) More questions than answers in today’s #lrnchat I’m afraid. But it was fun. Find me on #plenk2010 http://connect.downes.ca. #lrnchat
11:48:50 am carneysandoe: @urbie Thanks for the link. Saved it to view it later. #lrnchat
11:48:55 am 2GFred: Got good ideas from discussion today – THANKS everyone. Fred Stevens, Trainer & Coach. “All growth begins with personal growth.” #lrnchat
11:48:58 am c4lpt: #lrnchat qwrap) Hope to meet some of you at #dl10 and continue the discussions
11:49:13 am edReformer: edReformer Digital Learning: 5 Ways to Deliver Blended Learning http://bit.ly/aySh4J #lrnchat
11:49:26 am nlkilkenny: Check out the multi-faceted learning solution our team built in Drupal http://bit.ly/aZyoqU Drupal rocks! #lrnchat
11:49:31 am LearnNuggets: QWrap) Kevin, CNH (Chief NuggetHead) & Instructional Techie Geek. Off to DevLearn nxt wk. Look fwd to seeing & meeting everyone! #lrnchat
11:49:35 am JamesMcLuckie: James, from Edinburgh. Manager of @EdenTreeToolkit – a resource bank/community for L&D professionals. Really enjoyed this one. #lrnchat
11:49:38 am dbolen: Qwrap) Don Bolen, ATL, learning strategist, PM and DevLearn next week! #lrnchat
11:49:46 am elliottjb: @LandDave @Quinnovator And…don’t assume engagement=learning. #lrnchat
11:49:55 am tonya_simmons: and as a shameless plug – here’s an article I wrote on our Virtual Role Play for eLearn Magazine http://bit.ly/b6jYWY #lrnchat
11:49:58 am LandDDave: QWrap) Thanks as always for another engaging chat! David Kelly, Training Director in NYC. #lrnchat
11:49:59 am Quinnovator: RT @elliottjb: @LandDave @Quinnovator And…don’t assume engagement=learning. #lrnchat < agreed
11:50:16 am Callooh: Qwrap) Dianne Rees,ID-er, elearning developer, blogging at http://snurl.com/1d3na0 #lrnchat
11:50:25 am LandDDave: RT @elliottjb: @LandDave @Quinnovator And…dont assume engagement=learning. < very true #lrnchat
11:50:25 am WasimB1: Sorry I missed #lrnchat today. I’ll read the transcript when available. I hope you’re all well and yearning for learning🙂
11:50:56 am onsSara: Qwrap)Thnx all – very timely discussion for me; plenty to follow up about. Sara, Pittsburgh, PM nursing continuing ed #lrnchat
11:51:12 am eestes1: Ethan Estes, Elearning dev/designer WISE/Bullzi Security,Inc., Louisville KY. #lrnchat
11:51:24 am chrisstjohn: Chris St.John. DAU (WalMart of Learning) PM. Conference Planner. Hypergrid Adventurers Club. RU on my dissertation committee? #lrnchat
11:51:42 am sifowler: Qwrap) Simon Fowler, R&D at Forum Corp, Boston. Old English. Had no time for #lrnchat, now to pay consequence. Worth it. #lrnchat
11:51:53 am cpjobling: Qwrap) This is Chris Jobling, Swansea UK, Ospreys fan and university teacher (still a trainee after 25 years) signing off. #lrnchat
11:52:22 am carneysandoe: Qwrap) Truly enjoyed today’s #lrnchat Thank you all. #lrnchat
11:52:59 am traceyyyz: Qwrap) Tracey Mollins – Adult Literacy – currently designing online courses that model “blended” learning ideas – Ontario Canada. #lrnchat
11:53:57 am sifowler: Thanks @lrnchat and everyone! Wish I was going to #dl10. Feeling like the boy who wasn’t picked for the team. #lrnchat
11:54:50 am elliottjb: @LandDDave @LandDDave No doubt, you must have engagement to learn, but if you only engage w/o learning then tool needs work.. #lrnchat
11:55:00 am billcush: What’s a phone? RT @jarroddodson: RT @2GFred: couldnt they just phone in their order? <—that would require forethought! #lrnchat
11:55:57 am billcush: Qwrap) Sorry I missed the end….business! Ciao everyone. #lrnchat
11:57:34 am elliottjb: Oops–left off @Quinnovator You must have engagement to learn, but if you only engage w/o learning then tool needs work.. #lrnchat #lrnchat
11:57:38 am sifowler: Curious. Q for education, non-corporate #lrnchat folk: are the Q’s and A’s that us corporate folk write relevant to your field? #lrnchat
11:57:47 am lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls invite others next week & tell us if you blog about the conversation. http://lrnchat.com
11:58:39 am lrnchat: Please note clocks go back in Europe this Sunday so next week’s early #lrnchat at 4.30 pm GMT will be at 12.30 pm EDT for ONE week only.

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