Transcript 7 October 2010 (late)

12:30 am lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
12:30 am Quinnovator: Incoming! the meme stream will be flowing from #lrnchat for the next 90 minutes; duck or join!
12:31 am lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
12:31 am daviddlacroix: For the next 90 minutes, I’ll be in #lrnchat. Heavier volume of tweets than usual. #lrnchat
12:32 am briandusablon: Beware the onslaught of #lrnchat tweets, people. It’s go time.
12:32 am lrnchat: Rule2. [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
12:32 am Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning malpractice investigator, consultant/speaker/author, genial malcontent Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
12:32 am hypergogue: If I Tweet ‘formal and/or informal learning is rubbish’ and you guys RT me every so often it’ll be just like I’m there! #lrnchat
12:32 am Mary_a_Myers: wow…hard to believe but i am ready for #lrnchat
12:32 am chambo_online: Twitterfall to follow for the next 90 minutes…it’s #lrnchat time. Join or, oh heck, just join in. #lrnchat
12:33 am lrnchat: Rule3. When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
12:33 am daviddlacroix: David D. LaCroix, learning specialist and mostly recovered academic in the D of C. http://linkd.in/bBqkdl #lrnchat
12:34 am gwoodill: @lrnchat Clark Q. says: “our goals are retention over time until the learning is needed.” That’s not going to happen for most. #lrnchat
12:34 am lrnchat: Rule4. Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com work well
12:34 am briandusablon: Greetings, fellow learning revolutionaries! Let’s get this party started. #lrnchat
12:34 am minutebio: Jeff Goldman – eLearning Designer at Johns Hopkins in Baltimore, MD #lrnchat
12:35 am billcush: Bill Cushard. Mountain View, CA. Trainer of sales people and the software they use. #lrnchat
12:35 am hypergogue: Hi Stateside #lrnchat people. I’m Simon, an ENTJ kinaesthetic learner in the UK. #lrnchat
12:35 am Mary_a_Myers: <<< learning strategist living in kingston ontario. focus is on learning…thinking lots about trust, relationships,& moving house. #lrnchat
12:35 am lrnchat: Rule5. Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in too.
12:35 am kasey428: Kay Wood, Performance and Elearning consultant, DC metro, looking for a change #lrnchat
12:35 am edwsonoma: @hypergogue ha that’s funny would have been fun to see our friends @arossett and @jaycross in action #lrnchat #elearningdebate
12:35 am briandusablon: Brian Dusablon, Performance Consulting, Learning Ninja, Geek, Dad, Dude-Who-Cares-About-The-End-User. I like helping people. #lrnchat
12:36 am ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Element K in Rochester, NY. Hello and good evening all #lrnchat colleagues.
12:36 am britz: mark britz…perf. spclst / isd…syracuse ny interest of the moment -VILT #lrnchat
12:36 am ThomasStone: Missed #lrnchat last week, b/c was in D.C. for ASTD ALC (Chapter Leaders) conf. Great event!
12:36 am ThomasStone: Gotta say, there are a lot of great L&D professionals on #astd Chapter BODs. Met great people at #astdalc last week. #lrnchat
12:36 am lrnchat: Rule6. On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really
12:36 am ThomasStone: Point being… check out your local #ASTD chapter, and consider becoming more active or joining the board. Could be win-win. #lrnchat
12:36 am gwoodill: Gary Woodill – educational traveller examining the local wares. #lrnchat
12:37 am briandusablon: #newtwitter needs a chat tab #lrnchat
12:37 am Quinnovator: @chambo_online your lack of discrimination is a concern; did you pass the Bar? #lrnchat
12:37 am chambo_online: Oh, and I’m in Virginia…a few hours south of @minutebio. (repost…forgot the #lrnchat) #lrnchat
12:37 am lrnchat: Rule7. 10 min before the end of #lrnchat, reintroduce yourself. Links, requests, & shameless plugs welcome, too.
12:37 am hamtra: Tracy Parish, Newmarket, Ontario – elearning designer at health care facility. Extremely dizzy…mostly lurking tonight. #lrnchat
12:37 am hjarche: Harold Jarche, learned thru twitter this week that my words are biting, I provide insights & I inspire some people: you decide #lrnchat
12:37 am Quinnovator: and don’t forget the Official #lrnchat Drinking Game? http://lrnchatdrinkinggame.wikispaces.com/ (drinks at the ready!)
12:38 am Quinnovator: @hjarche those aren’t mutually exclusive, so I say yes! #lrnchat
12:38 am briandusablon: Rule 6 is for @koreenolbrish, almost exclusively, I think.🙂 #lrnchat
12:38 am lrnchat: If you tweet it, you might need to drink! http://lrnchatdrinkinggame.wikispaces.com/ #lrnchat
12:38 am minutebio: @chambo_online We have quite a few MD, DC and VA Lrnchatters. We should all get together and do a group #lrnchat.
12:38 am Mary_a_Myers: @ThomasStone even though i am a member…i wish i had a local #ASTD chapter. #lrnchat
12:38 am cammybean: @lrnchat. Cammy from Kineo. In Del Mar this week, relaxing. For today’s topic listen to interview w/@quinnovation on http://www.kineo.com #lrnchat
12:38 am gwoodill: Q0) Learned a lot of neurology this month, doing a report on treatment of depression. Fascinating stuff relevant to learning. #lrnchat
12:39 am chambo_online: .@Quinnovator Pass the bar? Heck, I am sitting at it (hiccup). #lrnchat
12:39 am Mary_a_Myers: @hjarche sounds about right.🙂 #lrnchat
12:39 am lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
12:39 am britz: RT @ThomasStone: Missed #lrnchat last week, b/c was in D.C. for ASTD ALC (Chapter Leaders) conf. Great event! < I 2nd that #lrnchat 12:39 am edwsonoma: oh, um hi. I am Ellen Wagner in Sonoma CA. elearning analyst #lrnchat 12:39 am briandusablon: “The Very Best of Motown” is my soundtrack for tonight’s #lrnchat 12:39 am Callooh: Dianne Rees, ID-er, elearning designer from TX with an interest in #healthliteracy #lrnchat 12:39 am Quinnovator: @chambo_online yeah, we set the bar pretty low, eh? #lrnchat 12:39 am hypergogue: Gah. Tweetgrid is down. Which means #lrnchat gets kind of hard. 12:40 am daviddlacroix: RT @minutebio: @chambo_online We have quite a few MD, DC and VA Lrnchatters –> Sounds like a good idea! #lrnchat
12:40 am chambo_online: @minutebio I’d do that! The DelMarVa #lrnchat! #lrnchat
12:40 am Mary_a_Myers: q0) learned that ppl and corps are interested in trust but few are set up or ready for it …or so it seems. #lrnchat
12:40 am JoanVinallCox: @hypergogue Try TweetChat #lrnchat
12:40 am daviddlacroix: RT @Quinnovator: @chambo_online yeah, we set the bar pretty low, eh? || Nothing wrong with a good footrest… #lrnchat
12:41 am kasey428: @minutebio @Dave_Ferguson has tried to get folks together. give him a shout. #lrnchat
12:41 am LandDDave: To add to @ThomasStone, I’d also recommend joining the #astdchapters monthly chat, which takes place next Wednesday night. #lrnchat
12:41 am chambo_online: @Quinnovator Mine’s about 3 feet high…Just so the Keggerator fits under it. #lrnchat
12:41 am richardsheehy: #lrnchat Richard Sheehy, learner & designer in South Carolina
12:41 am ThomasStone: @hamtra Sorry to hear about the dizzyness. And that is before the #lrnchat firehose has even started flowing!
12:41 am briandusablon: Q0) I learned more about @absorbanywhere LMS. #lrnchat
12:41 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @briandusablon: “The Very Best of Motown” is my soundtrack for tonights <
12:41 am JoanVinallCox: Joan from Oakville here, teacher & tutor & editor #lrnchat
12:42 am minutebio: RT @kasey428: @minutebio @Dave_Ferguson has tried to get folks together. give him a shout. | Will follow up. It’ll b gr8 #lrnchat
12:42 am gwoodill: @hypergogue Try Tweetchat. It’s working fine. #lrnchat
12:42 am britz: @LandDDave hey Dave. #lrnchat
12:42 am cammybean: Q0) this week I learned that traveling with 3 kids -6 hr plane flight- screaming 2.5 yr old-can be pure hell. #lrnchat
12:42 am Quinnovator: Q0) learned that it can take a long time before change starts manifesting, but great when it does #lrnchat
12:42 am daviddlacroix: Q0: I continue to learn how useful the “follow company” function is on LinkedIn #lrnchat
12:42 am briandusablon: Q0) I learned that a SharePoint site can be good enough, if kept simple and controlled/policed by someone who gives a damn. #lrnchat
12:42 am chambo_online: DelMarVa #lrnchatters…tweetup in Richmond for a live session…Kind of centrally located? #lrnchat
12:42 am hamburgerharv: RT @JoanVinallCox: Joan from Oakville here, teacher & tutor & editor #lrnchat
12:43 am allthingsnoisy: Greetings! I’m Jenda from Pittsburgh. I develop STEM modules for high school and e-learning tools for biology researchers. #lrnchat
12:43 am hypergogue: @joanvinallcox and @gwoodill Thx! #lrnchat
12:43 am Mary_a_Myers: @cammybean ack i feel for you! have been there before too…do you have to travel back still? #lrnchat
12:43 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
12:43 am LandDDave: Q0) I learned about Instagram, and it has quickly become my go-to app for photo sharing via my iPhone. Highly recommended. #lrnchat
12:43 am chambo_online: Q0) I learned that if you steam clean your carpet, it just encourages your puppy daschund to pee on it. #lrnchat
12:43 am jonhusband: @jonhusband .. lurker #lrnchat
12:44 am daviddlacroix: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
12:44 am hjarche: I learned how much fun I can have following @jaycross on a walking tour of Berlin with @simbeckhampson #lrnchat
12:44 am jonhusband: “It takes a long time for change to happen quickly” #lrnchat
12:44 am Mary_a_Myers: q0) i also learned that i didn’t really use my ipad…so i returned it..this happened last week. i was the most surprised. #lrnchat
12:45 am Callooh: q0) Collected many #healthliteracy resources from this mornings #healthlit chat http://ow.ly/2Qm8b #lrnchat
12:45 am chambo_online: @hjarche I told @simbeckhampson you guys looked like you were on a Flat Stanley adventure #lrnchat
12:45 am Dave_Ferguson: @jonhusband As Bill Deterline said, “Things take longer than they do.” #lrnchat
12:45 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @jonhusband: “It takes a long time for change to happen quickly” #lrnchat
12:45 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: For today’s #lrnchat on Learning Malpractice, you might find (my) post useful http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1725
12:45 am hypergogue: Q0) I learned that I’m not capable of writing a blog post less than 1500 words😦 #lrnchat
12:45 am minutebio: Q0) Learned 2day – Saying “that’s just the way I roll” gets peoples attention in F2F classes. Must try online. #lrnchat
12:45 am lrnchat: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
12:45 am hjarche: RT @chambo_online: Q0) I learned that if you steam clean your carpet, it just encourages your puppy daschund to pee on it |😀 #lrnchat
12:45 am britz: I learned the #StlRams…although making gains somehow missed the news on Lynch & Moss being available…ugh. #lrnchat
12:45 am Quinnovator: @hjarche looked like you guys had a heap of fun (and mischief) #lrnchat
12:46 am daviddlacroix: @jonhusband That reminds me of my motto: “Nothing gets by me eventually.” #lrnchat
12:46 am LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
12:46 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
12:46 am chris_saeger: Q0) chris saeger learned i need to slow down and take in less process more #lrnchat
12:46 am JoanVinallCox: Q0) I learned the best way to get 2 difficult-to-schedule people to commit to a Thxgiving dinner time is to let THEM negotiate. #lrnchat
12:46 am chambo_online: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
12:46 am hjarche: @chambo_online that’s what we tried to tell the museum guards each time they threatened to kick us out #lrnchat
12:46 am JoanVinallCox: RT @Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
12:46 am Dave_Ferguson: @hypergogue 1,500 words? I can use 1,500 words clearing my throat. Captivatingly, to be sure. #lrnchat
12:46 am briandusablon: Q0) I learned about Touchup http://touchup.roguesheep.com. This is almost as good as the iPhoto light I wanted. iPad, here I come. #lrnchat
12:46 am kasey428: Q0) I learned that buying progressive lens eyeglasses can be expensive. First time. Won’t be the last. Darn. #lrnchat
12:46 am cammybean: Today’s #lrnchat location. Yeah, that’s the pacific. (I so deserve this moment). http://twitpic.com/2vjauw
12:46 am usablelearning: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q0) I learned the importance of re-hydrating after stomach flu #blech #toomuchinformation?
12:46 am minutebio: q1) Malpractice – Assessment questions on topics not covered in course.. or at least clearly covered. Saw 2day. #lrnchat
12:47 am briandusablon: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
12:47 am Quinnovator: Q1) where do I start? Knowledge based learning objectives; pro forma introductions; objectives for the designer, not the learner #lrnchat
12:47 am JaneBozarth: Q0 Sorry I’m late. RDU, author “Social Media for Trainers”, font snob. #lrnchat
12:47 am mpetersell: I cannot join #lrnchat tonight because I’ve been guilty of too much malpractice over the years.
12:47 am Callooh: q0) Also learned that radical innovation comes from clumpy networks http://ow.ly/2QmbD #lrnchat
12:47 am latelierdelisse: A little late, but participating in #lrnchat
12:47 am daviddlacroix: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
12:47 am chambo_online: Q1) Same sh$t, different environment…i.e. just moving the lecture to an online format #lrnchat
12:47 am Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth Font snob? If I could, I’d make my tweets in Comic Sans, just for you. #lrnchat
12:47 am ThomasStone: Q0 – I learned of some likely useful new features of Facebook — though I don’t think they’ve been turned on for me yet. #lrnchat
12:47 am JaneBozarth: q0) Learned I learned a lot about my attitude toward work and bosses from my dad’s NOT complaining about it/them #lrnchat
12:47 am Quinnovator: Q1) lack of emotional component to the learning; concept presentations that are rote, not conceptual #lrnchat
12:47 am JaneBozarth: q1) MBTI ! #lrnchat
12:47 am visualrinse: Q0) Learned that “Turbo-taxify” can be used as a verb. And that people will understand what it means for UX. #lrnchat
12:48 am hjarche: Q1) I have never seen an example of learning malpractice (but many examples of training, instructional & educational malpractice) #lrnchat
12:48 am gwoodill: @Quinnovator Learnlet quote: “…our goals are retention over time until the learning is needed.” Not going to happen for most. #lrnchat
12:48 am minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) lack of emotional component to the learning; concept presentations that are rote, not conceptual #lrnchat
12:48 am Quinnovator: Q1) examples that aren’t sufficiently elaborated, aren’t from sufficient breadth of context, #lrnchat
12:48 am daviddlacroix: RT @JaneBozarth: q1) MBTI ! || double heck-yes on that. #lrnchat
12:48 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @mpetersell: I cannot join #lrnchat tonight because Ive been guilty of too much malpractice over the years. #lrnchat
12:48 am bschlenker: Q0) I just learned that college students need to have terms like “group” and “team” defined for them #lrnchat
12:48 am cammybean: @Mary_a_Myers Not looking forward to Mondays red eye home. #lrnchat
12:48 am latelierdelisse: Q1) I learned how to do somthing that was driving me crazy in Articulate. thx to @LearnNuggets #lrnchat
12:48 am Quinnovator: Q1) insufficient and insufficient spacing of practice #lrnchat
12:48 am Dave_Ferguson: Q1: first time I heard “repurpose legacy content,” I knew what it would mean: slap old stuff up in (allegedly) new format. #lrnchat
12:48 am JaneBozarth: q0 Learning about new Fbook groups. Love that so many in favor of ‘innovation’ and ‘change’ wigging out about it after only a day #lrnchat
12:48 am LandDDave: Q1) Learning Malpractice: Using the word ‘Event’ when describing a learning strategy. #lrnchat
12:48 am minutebio: RT @JaneBozarth: q1) MBTI ! | ENFJ Thx for asking🙂 #lrnchat
12:48 am Quinnovator: @gwoodill yep, insufficient and insufficient spacing of practice #lrnchat
12:48 am Dave_Ferguson: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) insufficient and insufficient spacing of practice #lrnchat
12:49 am britz: Q1. learning activities designed for “understanding” not application #lrnchat
12:49 am ryantracey: @lrnchat Q1) Example of malpractice – Managers neglecting development plans for their people #lrnchat
12:49 am JaneBozarth: q1 Knowingly passing on info re learning styles, Dale’s cone, w/o telling truth about ithem #lrnchat
12:49 am JoanVinallCox: Q1) Learning malpractice – teacher doesn’t schedule assignments, then demands everything in the last 3 weeks or failure #lrnchat
12:49 am JaneBozarth: q1 Knowingly cutting practice in favor of presenting #lrnchat
12:49 am kasey428: Q1) Assumption that 10 multiple choice questions can determine that learning has occurred. #lrnchat
12:49 am Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth In my (limited) experience, “change agents” are the biggest whiners when someone else makes THEM change. #lrnchat
12:49 am Quinnovator: Q1) drill and kill instead of meaningful application #lrnchat
12:49 am CatMoore: Q1 more elearning malpractice: disrespecting learners’ intelligence with patronizing info dump + too-easy quiz #lrnchat
12:49 am Callooh: q1) Training programs designed w/o support by middle managers (and/or w.o supporting org goals) #lrnchat
12:49 am minutebio: RT @ryantracey: @lrnchat Q1) Example of malpractice – Managers neglecting development plans for their people | Too common #lrnchat
12:49 am ThomasStone: I’ll note that this is my first #lrnchat while sitting in my new man-chair, a comfy recliner with dual cup-holders, storage in the arms
12:49 am visualrinse: Q1) assumptions that all your learners are prone to pebkac can PowerPoint style courseware. #lrnchat
12:49 am dawnjmahoney: #lrnchat Q1)Learners choosing to stay disengaged from the content & experience–at their own peril
12:50 am Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: q1 Knowingly passing on info re learning styles, Dale’s cone, w/o telling truth about ithem #lrnchat < and generations
12:50 am briandusablon: Q1) Using bloated company branded PowerPoint template for almost all Articulate “courses.” #lrnchat
12:50 am gwoodill: @Quinnovator Actually, IMHO – wrong goals. #lrnchat
12:50 am hypergogue: Q1) Waiting for @janebozarth to mention ice breakers so I can have a sip of tea. . . #lrnchat
12:50 am JaneBozarth: -@dave_ferguson: Peter Block: “Change is great. You go first.” #lrnchat
12:50 am minutebio: RT @kasey428: Q1) Assumption that 10 multiple choice questions can determine that learning has occurred. | My quizzes go to 11 #lrnchat
12:50 am JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator yes and generations. And MBTI. #lrnchat
12:50 am JoanVinallCox: RT @hjarche: Q1) never ex. of learning malpractice (but many ex. of training, instructional & educational malpractice) Good point! #lrnchat
12:50 am Quinnovator: @gwoodill starts there, definitely, wrong objectives (and before that, ‘assumption’ that it’s a course) #lrnchat
12:50 am jonhusband: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth In my (limited) experience, “change agents” are the biggest whiners when someone else makes THEM change. #lrnchat
12:50 am chambo_online: Q1) Being unable to answer “Why do I need to memorize this?” for digital info that can be looked up at any time. #lrnchat
12:51 am minutebio: RT @briandusablon: Q1) Using bloated company branded PowerPoint template for almost all Articulate “courses.” #lrnchat
12:51 am cammybean: RT @hjarche: Q1) I have never seen an example of learning malpractice (but many examples of training, instructional & educational malpractice) #lrnchat
12:51 am britz: RT @kasey428: Q1) Assumption that 10 multiple choice questions can determine that learning has occurred.
12:51 am JaneBozarth: .@hypergogue Icebreakers #lrnchat
12:51 am jonhusband: RT @JaneBozarth: q0 Learning about new Fbook groups. Love that so many in favor of ‘innovation’ and ‘change’ wigging out about it after only a day #lrnchat
12:51 am Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth MBTI? That’s a *drink* (of course, so is generations, and learning styles, and…) *hic* #lrnchat
12:51 am dawnjmahoney: #lrnchat Q1)Assuming all f2f sessions can be directly transferred to elearning (and all that comes with that!)
12:51 am briandusablon: Q1) Failing to consider your end user when determining/designing/developing solutions. #lrnchat
12:51 am hjarche: RT @minutebio @kasey428 Assumption that 10 multiple choice questions can determine that learning has occurred | My quizzes go to 11 #lrnchat
12:51 am Mary_a_Myers: q1) Selling the cadillac when the chevette will do. #lrnchat
12:51 am gwoodill: @Quinnovator I think that “just in case” learning, except for some basic lietarcies, is malpractice. #lrnchat
12:51 am kasey428: Q1) Assuming because an instructor is liked then students learned something. Instructor evals don’t always tell the real story. #lrnchat
12:51 am Callooh: Using hacky sack as a team building exercise #lrnchat (games aren’t a priori gd training devices)
12:52 am chambo_online: RT @Mary_a_Myers: q1) Selling the cadillac when the chevette will do. #lrnchat
12:52 am McGough3R: #lrnchat Looking for feedback and RT’s on my blog about #india: http://ekwip.wordpress.com/
12:52 am kwooleyy: RT @Callooh: q0) Also learned that radical innovation comes from clumpy networks http://ow.ly/2QmbD #lrnchat
12:52 am Dave_Ferguson: Oh, back to Q0: I learned I know a LOT of people astonishingly excited over new Twitter design. #lrnchat
12:52 am Quinnovator: RT @usablelearning: @lrnchat q1) wanting to pre/post test a totally optional course #lrnchat< yes, pre/post test!
12:52 am LandDDave: Q1) Belittling learners with phrases like “Let’s play a game”. #lrnchat
12:52 am daviddlacroix: Q1: Scheduling fire drills during training sessions. #lrnchat
12:52 am chambo_online: @kasey428 Amen sistah! #lrnchat
12:52 am JaneBozarth: Making people drive and sit at tables & listen for 6 hours when knowing full well that short online tutorial would do fine #lrnchat
12:52 am JoanVinallCox: RT @dawnjmahoney: #lrnchat Q1)Assuming all f2f sessions can be directly transferred to elearning (and all that comes with that!) #lrnchat
12:53 am allthingsnoisy: Q0) This week, I learned that 20 people can review a short, simple document and still miss an error/typo. #lrnchat
12:53 am briandusablon: Q1) Not caring about the quality of your audio. #lrnchat
12:53 am JaneBozarth: We may have broken the #lrnchat drinking game record #lrnchat
12:53 am kwooleyy: RT @hjarche: Q1) I have never seen an example of learning malpractice (but many examples of training, instructional & educational malpractice) #lrnchat
12:53 am Quinnovator: Q1) not incorporating the job aid into the training, not having meaningful practice, #lrnchat
12:53 am hjarche: @Callooh agree that games are not a priori good for training – need epistemic games http://is.gd/fQuOL #lrnchat
12:53 am chambo_online: @daviddlacroix How else do you get a bathroom break? (Scheduling fire drills during training sessions.) #lrnchat
12:53 am JoanVinallCox: RT @kasey428: Q1) Assuming b/c instructor is liked, students learned something. Instructor evals dont always tell the real story. #lrnchat
12:53 am kwooleyy: RT @JaneBozarth: -@dave_ferguson: Peter Block: “Change is great. You go first.” #lrnchat
12:53 am Quinnovator: Q1) not using the right talents for the job (HT @briandusablon ) #lrnchat
12:54 am hypergogue: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) not incorporating the job aid into the training, not having meaningful practice, #lrnchat
12:54 am Quinnovator: RT @SnoozyMeg: #lrnchat Q1 making everything that was ILT into only eLearning. Both wrong.
12:54 am gwoodill: q1) spelling literacies as lietarcies is malpractice… #lrnchat
12:54 am LandDDave: RT @Mary_a_Myers: q1) Selling the cadillac when the chevette will do. #lrnchat
12:54 am Dave_Ferguson: Q1: training as Dr Knowledge’s Efficacious Elixir for all ills – performance, morale, financial, marketing, gardening. #lrnchat
12:54 am Dave_Ferguson: Q1: training as Dr Knowledge’s Efficacious Elixir for all ills – performance, morale, financial, marketing, gardening. #lrnchat
12:54 am chambo_online: Failure to bring candy to award game winners😉 #lrnchat
12:54 am minutebio: Q1- Not challenging learners, at least a little bit. #lrnchat
12:54 am dawnjmahoney: Join! RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
12:54 am briandusablon: Q1) Making a new course the default response to a training request. #lrnchat
12:54 am Mary_a_Myers: q1) ignoring opportunities to course correct…be flexible and change with the needs of the learners. #lrnchat
12:55 am daviddlacroix: RT @chambo_online: @daviddlacroix How else do you get a bathroom break? (Scheduling fire drills during training sessions.) || Ha! #lrnchat
12:55 am kasey428: RT @chambo_online: Failure to bring candy to award game winners😉 LOL #lrnchat
12:55 am Quinnovator: RT @minutebio: Q1- Not challenging learners, at least a little bit. #lrnchat < hear, hear!
12:55 am usablelearning: @JaneBozarth D’ya know of a good MBTI de-bunking anywhere? Could use for reference #lrnchat
12:55 am JoanVinallCox: RT @briandusablon: Q1) Not caring about quality of your audio. Audio is 1st sense (in womb) & least noticed – bad audio = boring #lrnchat
12:55 am minutebio: Q1 – Not being succinct. #lrnchat
12:56 am Dave_Ferguson: @usablelearning I’d like to help you, but I’m a Sagittarian and I can’t debunk this week. #lrnchat
12:56 am LandDDave: Q1) Not fostering an environment in which learning can be put into practice. #lrnchat
12:56 am Quinnovator: Q1) under-design and over-production #lrnchat
12:56 am gwoodill: @JoanVinallCox Loudest sound in the womb is gurgling of maternal gas. It’s a fact… #lrnchat
12:56 am minutebio: RT @LandDDave: Q1) Not fostering an environment in which learning can be put into practice. #lrnchat
12:56 am Quinnovator: Q1) not fighting to get meaningful objectives #lrnchat
12:56 am LandDDave: Q1) Any activity that doesn’t pass the ‘relevant’ test. #lrnchat
12:56 am Mary_a_Myers: q1) not considering the influence of the larger environment…how sustainable can ideas/strategies be if not really embraced by all #lrnchat
12:56 am briandusablon: Q1) Thinking your employees can’t learn by sharing, going outside the firewall. #lrnchat
12:57 am britz: Q1) worksheets…seriously…still called that…sadly still promoted… #lrnchat
12:57 am Quinnovator: Q1) not hooking the learner in viscerally/emotionally before addressing cognitive component #lrnchat
12:57 am JoanVinallCox: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) not hooking the learner in viscerally/emotionally before addressing cognitive component #lrnchat
12:57 am Quinnovator: Q1) having an intro basically be about teaching them how to use the interface #lrnchat
12:57 am chambo_online: Q1) Blocking social media access…grrrrrr #lrnchat
12:57 am JaneBozarth: @usablelearning http://www.willatworklearning.com/2006/05/mbti_myersbrigg.html #lrnchat
12:58 am briandusablon: Q1) Poor search in your LMS or other access point for knowledge/learning/training. #lrnchat
12:58 am Quinnovator: Q1) having concept presentation be the procedure, with no conceptual model behind it #lrnchat
12:58 am britz: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) not hooking the learner in viscerally/emotionally before addressing cognitive component< yeah wht abt WIIFM?! #lrnchat
12:58 am JaneBozarth: @usablelearning http://www.indiana.edu/~jobtalk/HRMWebsite/hrm/articles/develop/mbti.pdf #lrnchat
12:58 am Dave_Ferguson: I thought “how to use the interface” had to be Lesson 1. It’s in the Constitution, I think. #lrnchat
12:58 am LandDDave: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) not fighting to get meaningful objectives #lrnchat
12:58 am minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: not hooking learner in viscerally/emotionally b4 addressing cognitive component | probably shld drink for that #lrnchat
12:58 am Callooh: Being afraid to implement PBL challenges because it’s difficult to measure #lrnchat
12:58 am Mary_a_Myers: q1) not making time for learning …and nesting…really the nesting #lrnchat
12:58 am Quinnovator: Q1) having your examples just be “do this, then this” with no annotation, underlying thinking #lrnchat
12:58 am JaneBozarth: RT @chambo_online: Q1) Blocking social media access…grrrrrr <– SmartPhone solves THAT #lrnchat
12:58 am chambo_online: @Dave_Ferguson I cut it out, they put it back in…. #lrnchat
12:59 am Quinnovator: Q1) not designing your practice to align with your objectives; rote knowledge test assessment #lrnchat
12:59 am CatMoore: @usablelearning @JaneBozarth Another MBTI debunking included in bigger report on learning styles: http://bit.ly/cFWu4S #lrnchat
12:59 am JoanVinallCox: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) having your examples just be “do this, then this” with no annotation, underlying thinking #lrnchat
12:59 am Quinnovator: @minutebio any excuse! #lrnchat
12:59 am latelierdelisse: Q1) Mistaking an Agenda for Objectives – more of an SME mistake, really. #lrnchat
12:59 am ThomasStone: RT @JaneBozarth: Making people drive & sit at tables & listen for 6 hours when knowing that short online tutorial would do fine #lrnchat
12:59 am JaneBozarth: Q1 Bloom’s taxonomy low levels: list, define, describe:Easy to develop preso on, load onto slides,easy to write mult choice Qs for #lrnchat
12:59 am billcush: Q1 “There’s a NH class downstairs..just started today…could you (salesman Bob) go down there and and tell them how we sell?” #lrnchat
12:59 am briandusablon: Q1) Not supporting or encouraging collaboration on projects, to leverage the talents of the team & get the most out of your talent. #lrnchat
12:59 am hjarche: learning malpractice = not providing time & space for reflection #lrnchat
1:00 am SnoozyMeg: #lrnchat Q1 smiley sheets…or do we call them evaluations? Gimme a break.
1:00 am Quinnovator: Q1) making your ‘course’ be presentation and a knowledge test #lrnchat
1:00 am JoanVinallCox: RT @hjarche: learning malpractice = not providing time & space for reflection #lrnchat
1:00 am ThomasStone: RT @briandusablon: Q1) Not caring about the quality of your audio. #lrnchat
1:00 am kasey428: RT @JaneBozarth: Making people drive & sit at tables & listen for 6 hours when knowing that short online tutorial would do fine #lrnchat
1:00 am britz: Q1) no time allotted for reflection with peers #lrnchat
1:00 am billcush: Q1 “…an hour should do it.” #lrnchat
1:00 am Liboiron: RT @jonhusband: “It takes a long time for change to happen quickly” #lrnchat
1:00 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @hjarche: learning malpractice = not providing time & space for reflection < RT @Quinnovator: Q1) making your course be presentation and a knowledge test #lrnchat
1:00 am usablelearning: @JaneBozarth Thank you! (And of course, I should have known that @WillWorkLearn would have one) #lrnchat
1:01 am JaneBozarth: Speaking of Evaluation: How to Evaluate e-Learning by Jane Bozarth : Learning Solutions Magazine http://t.co/o8eSkkt #lrnchat
1:01 am dawnjmahoney: Q1)Not making the distinction as to what the learners need to know how to DO before developing the training in the first place. #lrnchat
1:01 am JenniferSertl: RT @hjarche: learning malpractice = not providing time & space for reflection #lrnchat
1:01 am jonhusband: Are online tutorials classified as formal or informal learning ? #lrnchat #stupidquestionno.1
1:01 am LearnNuggets: Late. Kevin, Memphis, TN #lrnchat
1:01 am chambo_online: Q1) Equating SME to ID… #lrnchat
1:02 am Callooh: Q1) Providing training that forces unpaid overtime on learners and wondering why your learners aren’t happy about training #lrnchat
1:02 am Mary_a_Myers: learning malpractice is treating the symptoms and not the whole learner. #lrnchat
1:02 am britz: Q1) assuming the problem is ALWAYS solved by more training! #lrnchat
1:02 am billcush: I offer a workshop in how to use a rotary phone. $1499 per.. RT @JaneBozarth: @SnoozyMeg co. touting workshop in level 1 #lrnchat
1:02 am Dave_Ferguson: @jonhusband If you have to take ’em, and if you get scored, online tutorials are formal learning. #lrnchat
1:02 am ThomasStone: RT @LandDDave: Q1) Not fostering an environment in which learning can be put into practice. #lrnchat
1:02 am JaneBozarth: RT @CatMoore: @usablelearning @JaneBozarth Another MBTI debunking included in bigger report on learning styles: http://bit.ly/cFWu4S #lrnchat
1:02 am lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
1:02 am hypergogue: Q1) Any use of sporting anecdotes or metaphors. #lrnchat
1:02 am Quinnovator: Q1) deciding learning outcomes by butt time (Gery: “May as well weight ’em”) #lrnchat
1:02 am ThomasStone: RT @LandDDave: Q1) Any activity that doesn’t pass the ‘relevant’ test. #lrnchat
1:02 am LandDDave: Q1) starting with an implementation date and working backwards. #lrnchat
1:02 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
1:02 am minutebio: RT @britz: Q1) assuming the problem is ALWAYS solved by more training! #lrnchat
1:02 am kasey428: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) deciding learning outcomes by butt time (Gery: “May as well weight em”) #lrnchat
1:02 am daviddlacroix: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
1:03 am billcush: Depends on what you are wearing. RT @jonhusband: Are online tutorials classified as formal or informal learning? #lrnchat #stupidquestionno
1:03 am chambo_online: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
1:03 am Quinnovator: Q2) awareness of integration of cognitive and ’emotional’ (mostly conative) #lrnchat
1:03 am briandusablon: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
1:03 am Dave_Ferguson: Q2: first remedy is “stop doing things you know are dumb.” #lrnchat
1:03 am ThomasStone: Q1 – Lack of a good WIIFM. #lrnchat
1:03 am JoanVinallCox: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
1:03 am ryantracey: @lrnchat Q1) Example of malpractice – SME shirking contribution & participation #lrnchat
1:03 am billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
1:03 am JaneBozarth: q2. Forcing research findings unto others. #lrnchat
1:03 am Quinnovator: @briandusablon happy to assist if an outside voice is a help😉 #lrnchat
1:03 am LearnNuggets: Q1) Creating a culture where learners ‘have’ to take training and manage training via bad boy reports. #lrnchat
1:04 am Callooh: @JaneBozarth Also more fun to say I use stufflebeam than kirkpatrick (a nice article) #lrnchat
1:04 am chambo_online: RT @billcush: Depends on what you are wearing. @jonhusband: Are online tutorials classified as formal or informal learning? #lrnchat
1:04 am LandDDave: RT @britz: Q1) assuming the problem is ALWAYS solved by more training! #lrnchat
1:04 am briandusablon: Q2) Continue to rock the boat, push for change, SHOW good examples. Force their hand. Go rogue. Raise awareness and support. #lrnchat
1:04 am britz: RT @LandDDave: Q1) starting with an implementation date and working backwards. / or with a duration and filling the time… #lrnchat
1:04 am minutebio: Q2) know your audience and ID Training need… #lrnchat
1:04 am Quinnovator: Q2) understand that SMEs don’t *know* what they do, need to work to get meaningful objectives #lrnchat
1:04 am Dave_Ferguson: Q2: work w/ client to understand desired result; work backward thru causes, evidence to choose a solution (or two or five). #lrnchat
1:04 am JaneBozarth: q2 Evaluating with intent to improve, not “prove” #lrnchat
1:04 am briandusablon: Indeed – so simple, eh? > RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q2: first remedy is “stop doing things you know are dumb.” #lrnchat
1:04 am kasey428: Q2) Convincing clients that butts in seats doesn’t translate into performance improvement. Got any ideas? #lrnchat
1:04 am ThomasStone: Q1 – In addition to WIIFM, also good to have “context statements” or “bridges” from topic to the next. #lrnchat
1:04 am LearnNuggets: RT @briandusablon: Q2) Continue to rock the boat, push for change, SHOW good examples. Go rogue. Raise awareness and support. #lrnchat
1:04 am JaneBozarth: q2 Don’t be an order taker. You know when training won’t fix it or might make it worse. Learn how to say so. #lrnchat
1:04 am Quinnovator: Q2) educate your clients on value of real design #lrnchat
1:05 am daviddlacroix: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) understand that SMEs dont *know* what they do, need to work to get meaningful objectives #lrnchat
1:05 am chambo_online: Q2) Subversively teaching how to use your smart phone to access blocked SoMe sites. #lrnchat
1:05 am Dave_Ferguson: Q2: understand the difference between “subject-matter expert” and “expert practitioner” (latter actually does the job now). #lrnchat
1:05 am Quinnovator: Q2) Manage ‘up’ #lrnchat
1:05 am LandDDave: Q1) focusing on how much we can fit into learning instead of how much learners can get out of it. #lrnchat
1:05 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @JaneBozarth: q2 Dont be an order taker. You know when training wont fix it or might make it worse. Learn how to say so. #lrnchat
1:05 am JoanVinallCox: Q2) Close the door and help ’em get what they need, flying under the radar #lrnchat
1:05 am JaneBozarth: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) Manage up #lrnchat
1:05 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) educate your clients on value of real design #lrnchat
1:05 am LearnNuggets: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) understand that SMEs dont *know* what they do, need to work to get meaningful objectives #lrnchat
1:05 am JaneBozarth: RT @chambo_online: Q2) Subversively teaching how to use your smart phone to access blocked SoMe sites. <– you go girl #lrnchat
1:05 am ThomasStone: Q1 – Writing a supposedly performance-based learning objective that starts with the verb “understand” #lrnchat
1:05 am usablelearning: @lrnchat Q1) Starting with the tool/software/method rather than defining the need #lrnchat #Ihaveahammersothatmustbeanail
1:05 am Callooh: q2) Appreciate that learners are part of cross-functional teams & develop training that addresses their interactions in lger teams #lrnchat
1:05 am JaneBozarth: q2. Be the change. #lrnchat
1:06 am ryantracey: @lrnchat Q2) Remedies to malpractice – Measurement, exposure, accountability #lrnchat
1:06 am Quinnovator: Q2) start from the right perspective: it’s not about learning! (it’s about performance) #lrnchat
1:06 am chambo_online: RT @JaneBozarth: q2. Be the change. #lrnchat
1:06 am Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: q2. Be the change. #lrnchat
1:06 am kasey428: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q2: understand the difference between “SMEt” and “expert practitioner” (latter actually does the job now). Ditto #lrnchat
1:06 am JaneBozarth: @ThomasStone I called someone on ‘understand’ today and they came back with , “Ok, will be aware…” #lrnchat
1:06 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) start from the right perspective: its not about learning! (its about performance) #lrnchat
1:06 am Dave_Ferguson: Unless your client is chair of ed tech dept., don’t use ed-psych words. Mgrs & learners don’t care that it’s “cognitive.” #lrnchat
1:06 am briandusablon: Q2) Give a crap about your end users. Then, challenge others to do the same. #lrnchat
1:06 am ryantracey: Hurrah! RT @Quinnovator Q2) start from the right perspective: it’s not about learning! (it’s about performance) #lrnchat
1:07 am Quinnovator: Q2) think about achieving the real learning goals: *retention* over time, and *transfer* to appropriate problems #lrnchat
1:07 am chambo_online: .@JaneBozarth I want a “change agent” badge I can flash…like FBI or CIA #lrnchat
1:07 am JaneBozarth: q2. Um, don’t do things we said in q1. #lrnchat
1:07 am Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth How about if I’m aware that I should appreciate understanding? #lrnchat
1:07 am briandusablon: Accountability – tough sell nowadays. RT @ryantracey: @lrnchat Q2) Remedies to malpractice – Measurement, exposure, accountability #lrnchat
1:07 am usablelearning: @hypergogue ooo yeah – my favorite: “let’s use a world cup theme, because everybody likes soccer!” #lrnchat
1:07 am latelierdelisse: Q2) Interview some target learners if possible. #lrnchat
1:07 am LearnNuggets: Q2) Remind SME’s what’s it like not to know. #lrnchat
1:07 am Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson actually, clients bring me in to talk that ‘l’arning’ stuff! #lrnchat
1:07 am JoanVinallCox: Q2) get individuals to share their expertise, help each other #lrnchat
1:07 am JaneBozarth: q2. Educate mgmt, others about diff between presentation and training #lrnchat
1:07 am Mary_a_Myers: q2) walk away from projects that are subject to falling into malpractice #lrnchat
1:07 am Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: q2. Educate mgmt, others about diff between presentation and training #lrnchat < bingo!
1:07 am hypergogue: Q2) Learn from other disciplines. #lrnchat
1:07 am JaneBozarth: @Dave_Ferguson But do you KNOW that you are aware? #lrnchat
1:08 am britz: Q2) friends don’t let SME’s develop solutions …without guidance #lrnchat
1:08 am SuzNet: just checking in to see what’s going on — are we in learncourt 2nite? #lrnchat
1:08 am Callooh: q2) Involve target learners early and often #lrnchat
1:08 am Quinnovator: RT @hypergogue: Q2) Learn from other disciplines. #lrnchat < yes, HCI, graphic design, marketing, etc 1:08 am briandusablon: Pretty much! And call people out when they do them. > RT @JaneBozarth: q2. Um, dont do things we said in q1. #lrnchat
1:08 am JaneBozarth: q2. Do no harm. #lrnchat
1:08 am LearnNuggets: RT @britz: Q2) friends dont let SMEs develop solutions …without guidance < Quick! Take away their keys! #lrnchat
1:08 am Quinnovator: @SuzNet court is in session #lrnchat
1:08 am JaneBozarth: YES RT @Callooh: q2) Involve target learners early and often #lrnchat
1:08 am minutebio: Q2) Get and keeps learners attention. Keep it all relevant. OMG Forbidden Planet in on the tube! #lrnchat
1:08 am latelierdelisse: Q2) Ask what might happen if new policy/procedure was not followed #lrnchat
1:09 am JoanVinallCox: RT @JaneBozarth: q2. Do no harm. #lrnchat
1:09 am chambo_online: Q2) authentic activities, authentic activities, authentic activities…rinse and repeat. #lrnchat
1:09 am minutebio: RT @LearnNuggets: RT @britz: Q2) friends dont let SMEs develop solutions …without guidance < Quick! Take away their keys! #lrnchat 1:09 am Quinnovator: Q2) make sure it passes the ‘sniff’ test. Would *you* want to take it? #lrnchat 1:09 am briandusablon: Exactly! > RT @Callooh: q2) Involve target learners early and often #lrnchat
1:09 am JoanVinallCox: RT @chambo_online: Q2) authentic activities, authentic activities, authentic activities…rinse and repeat. #lrnchat
1:09 am Quinnovator: RT @chambo_online: Q2) authentic activities, authentic activities, authentic activities…rinse and repeat. #lrnchat < hallelujah!
1:09 am cammybean: Q2) as practitioners we need to keep asking ourselves how we can make it better next time. #lrnchat
1:09 am JaneBozarth: q2. “Excuse me. That Emperor over there? He’s… he’s not wearing any clothes.” #lrnchat
1:09 am LearnNuggets: Q2) Put all your tools away until you first DESIGN the training. #lrnchat
1:09 am chambo_online: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) make sure it passes the sniff test. Would *you* want to take it? #lrnchat
1:09 am Quinnovator: RT @LearnNuggets: Q2) Put all your tools away until you first DESIGN the training. #lrnchat < yes! 1:10 am JaneBozarth: RT @cammybean: Q2) as practitioners we need to keep asking ourselves how we can make it better next time. #lrnchat 1:10 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @LearnNuggets: Q2) Put all your tools away until you first DESIGN the training. #lrnchat 1:10 am hypergogue: Q2) Understand nature of organisations is possibly more important than psychological stuff. #lrnchat 1:10 am ThomasStone: Q2 – if you create learning content in large volumes (as we do), then create models/templates so that IDs don’t forget key bits #lrnchat 1:10 am kasey428: RT @LearnNuggets: Q2) Put all your tools away until you first DESIGN the training. #lrnchat 1:10 am chambo_online: Q2 – If you are bored presenting, they are playing solitaire on their iPad #lrnchat 1:10 am CatMoore: RT @LearnNuggets: Q2) Put all your tools away until you first DESIGN the training. #lrnchat 1:10 am usablelearning: @lrnchat Q2) “Yes, but what will they need to actually *do*?” #lrnchat 1:10 am JaneBozarth: q2. Reflective practice: “What was the best thing I did?” “What would I do differently if I did this again tomorrow?” #lrnchat 1:11 am Callooh: q2) Recognize each training opportunity is unique #lrnchat 1:11 am briandusablon: Or figure out if training is the answer! > RT @LearnNuggets: Q2) Put all your tools away until you first DESIGN the training. #lrnchat
1:11 am minutebio: Q2) Training is useless if no one knows about it, cares or attends. Training must b marketed too #lrnchat
1:11 am JaneBozarth: q2. Create assessments, THEN design the instruction. #lrnchat
1:11 am ThomasStone: Q2 – Example: We have an XML scheme that requires WIIFM and Context Statements at course, lesson, topic levels. IDs can’t forget. #lrnchat
1:11 am Quinnovator: RT @usablelearning: @lrnchat Q2) “Yes, but what will they need to actually *do*?” #lrnchat < ‘xactly
1:11 am Dave_Ferguson: @hypergogue Understand nature of organizations: e.g., VP of sales, finance, IT has more clout than you do. Deal with it. #lrnchat
1:11 am ThomasStone: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) educate your clients on value of real design #lrnchat
1:11 am JoanVinallCox: RT @JaneBozarth: q2. Reflective practice: “What was best thing I did?” “What would I do differently if I did this again tomorrow?” #lrnchat
1:11 am minutebio: RT @CatMoore: RT @LearnNuggets: Q2) Put all your tools away until you first DESIGN the training. #lrnchat
1:11 am LandDDave: Q2) Focus on what people should DO differently as a result of training. Anything that doesn’t support that gets cut. #lrnchat
1:11 am Quinnovator: Q2) “what decisions do they need to be able to make that they can’t now?” HT @usablelearning #lrnchat
1:11 am briandusablon: “What? They just need training.”🙂 RT @usablelearning: @lrnchat Q2) “Yes, but what will they need to actually *do*?” #lrnchat
1:12 am JoanVinallCox: RT @JaneBozarth: q2. Create assessments, THEN design the instruction. #lrnchat
1:12 am audioswhite: RT @cammybean: Q2) as practitioners we need to keep asking ourselves how we can make it better next time. #lrnchat < and insist on doing so
1:12 am LearnNuggets: Q2) Don’t shelve the training just because it launched. Immediately plan for revision…it will come. Be prepared to improve it. #lrnchat
1:12 am ThomasStone: LOL LOL RT @JaneBozarth: @ThomasStone I called someone on ‘understand’ today and they came back with , “Ok, will be aware…” #lrnchat
1:12 am LandDDave: RT @britz: Q2) friends don’t let SME’s develop solutions …without guidance #lrnchat
1:12 am hypergogue: Q2) Systems approach – org structure/design will have easily as much impact on performance as ‘learning’ #lrnchat
1:12 am Quinnovator: RT @britz: Q2) friends don’t let SME’s develop solutions …without guidance #lrnchat
1:13 am briandusablon: Q2) One solution is not right for all users. Try to open up and create multiple opportunities for learning and improvement. #lrnchat
1:13 am chambo_online: Assessment does not equal “test”….meditate to this phrase nightly #lrnchat
1:13 am visualrinse: RT @kasey428: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q2: understand the difference between “SMEt” and “expert practitioner” (latter actually does the job now). Ditto #lrnchat
1:13 am Quinnovator: Q2) think: will this enable someone to do something that will impact the organizational goals? #lrnchat
1:13 am LearnNuggets: RT @JaneBozarth: q2. Create assessments, THEN design the instruction. << Interesting approach. Have to try that one. #lrnchat
1:13 am Dave_Ferguson: Try crisp ways to help clients break thru stereotypes. Like Heydad Test for lrng outcome: “Hey, Dad, watch while I…” #lrnchat
1:14 am billcush: Q2) remedy….design for lots of practice. have learners try it and make as many mistakes in possible in class…#lrnchat
1:14 am JaneBozarth: Help learners learn how to learn… and from each other. #lrnchat
1:14 am ThomasStone: Don’t unleash them w/a rapid dev tool… the horror! RT @britz: Q2) friends don’t let SME’s develop solutions …without guidance #lrnchat
1:14 am JoanVinallCox: RT @briandusablon: Q2) One solution not right 4 all users. Try to open up & create multiple opportunities 4 learning & improvement. #lrnchat
1:14 am briandusablon: @KoreenOlbrish Rule 6: “On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really.”🙂
1:14 am Callooh: q2) But don’t give up on creating longer-term assessments (e.g., consider using performance reports as one prt of assessment) #lrnchat
1:14 am Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: q2. Create assessments, THEN design the instruction. #lrnchat < and align assess to good objectives
1:14 am hypergogue: RT @JaneBozarth: Help learners learn how to learn… and from each other. | No.1 for me, I think. #lrnchat
1:15 am JoanVinallCox: RT @JaneBozarth: Help learners learn how to learn… and from each other. ABSOLUTELY! #lrnchat
1:15 am Dave_Ferguson: Engage the learners: get their examples of (a) high-value problems and (b) effective ways to resolve. (Co-developers) #lrnchat
1:15 am billcush: Q2) make all assessments a demonstration that they can do the task they learned. At least you will know of people can perform #lrnchat
1:15 am Quinnovator: Q2) don’t assume learners know how to learn (HT @JaneBozarth ) #lrnchat
1:15 am briandusablon: And get them to learn without knowing it. RT @hypergogue @JaneBozarth: Help learners learn how to learn… and from each other. #lrnchat
1:15 am usablelearning: @hypergogue You mean consider the environment and how it could support the goal? Oh, you with the crazy talk… #lrnchat
1:15 am Mary_a_Myers: q2) don’t accept that just b/c others do it this way…or that it has always been done this way…means it is a good thing to do. #lrnchat
1:15 am LandDDave: Q2) Make sure the objectives are clearly understood before design even begins. #lrnchat
1:16 am LearnNuggets: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Engage the learners: get their examples of (a) high-value problems and (b) effective ways to resolve. Co-develop #lrnchat
1:16 am ryantracey: No one wants it, eh – RT @briandusablon Accountability – tough sell nowadays. #lrnchat
1:16 am JaneBozarth: `@Quinnovator &don’t assume learners recognize when they are learning #lrnchat
1:16 am daviddlacroix: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Engage learners: get their examples of (a) high-value problems & (b) effective ways to resolve. (Co-developers) #lrnchat
1:16 am Quinnovator: Q2) keep ‘story’ at the top of your mind #lrnchat
1:16 am Dave_Ferguson: Stop thinking of assessment as “bunch of Qs at end of module.” Build “performance checks” into activities. Let ’em assess selves. #lrnchat
1:16 am LandDDave: Q2) Shift gears in some way every 7-10 minutes. #lrnchat
1:16 am billcush: Yes. RT @Dave_Ferguson: Engage the learners: get their examples of high-value problems & effective ways to resolve. (Co-developers) #lrnchat
1:17 am hypergogue: Q2) Accept fact that knowing how to prevent malpractice is MUCH easier than actually doing it. . . #lrnchat
1:17 am Dave_Ferguson: Hey, I recognize when I’m learning: new binders, lots of PPT, and doughnuts. #lrnchat
1:17 am billcush: RT @LandDDave: Q2) Shift gears in some way every 7-10 minutes. #lrnchat
1:17 am JoanVinallCox: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) keep story at the top of your mind #lrnchat
1:17 am daviddlacroix: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) keep story at the top of your mind || and don’t bury the lede! #lrnchat
1:17 am hypergogue: @usablelearning I like it when I work with evil organisations. It’s a better test of my ability. #lrnchat
1:17 am latelierdelisse: Q2) Create assessments deeper than multiple choice #lrnchat
1:17 am Dave_Ferguson: In face-to-face or sync online, remember: they take 15 mins’ break/hour whether you plan for that or not. #lrnchat
1:17 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @hypergogue: @usablelearning I like it when I work with evil organisations. Its a better test of my ability. #lrnchat
1:18 am Callooh: q2) Model metacognition practices #lrnchat
1:18 am chambo_online: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Hey, I recognize when Im learning: new binders, lots of PPT, and doughnuts. #lrnchat
1:18 am briandusablon: Q2) Share resources, best practices that you learn here or from your network/conferences. Share, share, share. Teach, teach, teach. #lrnchat
1:18 am LearnNuggets: @Dave_Ferguson And a box of Starbuck’s finest! #lrnchat
1:18 am Quinnovator: RT @latelierdelisse: Q2) Create assessments deeper than multiple choice #lrnchat < tho’ can do better ‘situated story’ M/C, too!
1:18 am billcush: RT @Mary_a_Myers: q2) don’t accept that just b/c others do it.or that always been done this way..means it is a good thing to do. #lrnchat
1:18 am JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: In face-to-face or sync online, remember: they take 15 mins break/hour whether you plan for that or not. #lrnchat
1:18 am kasey428: Q2) Take student evals seriously. After all it was their learning experience, not yours. #lrnchat
1:19 am JoanVinallCox: RT @LearnNuggets: @Dave_Ferguson And a box of Starbucks finest! No – Learners NEED Tim Bits #lrnchat
1:19 am Quinnovator: Q2) Q0) lesson from today: don’t design alone! (HT @briandusablon ) #lrnchat
1:19 am JaneBozarth: @billcush blasphemer. #lrnchat
1:19 am JaneBozarth: Wow. RT @kasey428: Q2) Take student evals seriously. After all it was their learning experience, not yours. #lrnchat
1:19 am lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:19 am chambo_online: @JaneBozarth @Dave_Ferguson Can you repeat that? I was taking a break. #lrnchat
1:19 am britz: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: In f2f or sync online, remember: they take 15 mins break/hour whether you plan for that or not. #lrnchat
1:19 am LearnNuggets: RT @kasey428: Q2) Take student evals seriously. After all it was their learning experience, not yours. << And be honest w/ yourself #lrnchat
1:19 am Quinnovator: Q2) get ‘out of the box’, deliberately #lrnchat
1:19 am Dave_Ferguson: Ask your client, “So, what was the last important skill you learned in an 8-hour online course?” #lrnchat
1:19 am usablelearning: @Dave_Ferguson y’know – that’s the real problem with e-Learning — no complementary donuts #lrnchat
1:19 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:19 am briandusablon: Word. Get some feedback! RT @Quinnovator: Q2) Q0) lesson from today: dont design alone! (HT @briandusablon ) #lrnchat
1:19 am daviddlacroix: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:20 am JoanVinallCox: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:20 am ImagiRaven: RT @JaneBozarth: Wow. RT @kasey428: Q2) Take student evals seriously. After all it was their learning experience, not yours. #lrnchat
1:20 am LearnNuggets: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:20 am briandusablon: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:20 am Quinnovator: Q3) first and foremost, good has meaningful activities #lrnchat
1:20 am chambo_online: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:20 am hypergogue: Q3) Eventually, you become obsolete. #lrnchat
1:20 am britz: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) lesson from today: dont design alone! (HT @briandusablon )/ Don’t let them learn alone – viva la collaborate! #lrnchat
1:20 am Dave_Ferguson: Q3: in an org., good learning leads to on-the-job behavior that produces positive results at higher level than before. #lrnchat
1:20 am jyinprocess: RT @usablelearning: @Dave_Ferguson y’know – that’s the real problem with e-Learning — no complementary donuts #lrnchat
1:20 am briandusablon: Q3) Loaded question. It depends on the “learner.” Next question, please. #lrnchat
1:20 am LearnNuggets: Q3) Learner reaction, feedback. #lrnchat
1:20 am dawnjmahoney: RT @JoanVinallCox: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:20 am Callooh: q3) Learners can perform/meet objectives in real-world setting #lrnchat
1:21 am billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:21 am Quinnovator: Q3) can tell clear story about how what’s being done will achieve org impact #lrnchat
1:21 am Mary_a_Myers: q3) becoming obsolete is my dream… #lrnchat
1:21 am Dave_Ferguson: @jyinprocess I’m okay with that. They always have those crappy glazed, raised doughnuts anyway. #lrnchat
1:21 am doctorjeff: T-minus 141 days 19 hours 43 minutes. #SSEP http://ssep.ncesse.org #teacher #education #edtech #school #homeschool #gtchat #lrnchat
1:21 am chambo_online: Q3) Good learning: When the participants take over the learning, and I just wander around feeling unneeded🙂 #lrnchat
1:21 am Callooh: q3) Learners can problem-solve, think outside of box when parameters change #lrnchat
1:21 am daviddlacroix: Q3) Good learning arises from the chance to get it wrong a bunch of times safely, first. #lrnchat
1:21 am billcush: You mean the cost of my workshop or the way I test? Am not sure which is worse. RT @JaneBozarth: @billcush blasphemer. #lrnchat
1:21 am Quinnovator: Q3) objectives ‘high’ enough and aligned to need, assessment aligned to objectives, content aligned to assess #lrnchat
1:21 am usablelearning: RT @Quinnovator Q3) first and foremost, good [learning/instruction] has meaningful activities #lrnchat
1:21 am minutebio: RT @chambo_online: Q3) Good learning: When the participants take over the learning, and I just wander around feeling unneeded🙂 #lrnchat
1:22 am JoanVinallCox: RT @chambo_online: Q3) Good learning: When the participants take over the learning, and I just wander around feeling unneeded🙂 #lrnchat
1:22 am LearnNuggets: Q3) Weeks/months later a learner performs/reacts/quotes an objective from course = Good. #lrnchat
1:22 am minutebio: RT @Callooh: q3) Learners can problem-solve, think outside of box when parameters change #lrnchat
1:22 am dawnjmahoney: Q3) the good is observing the learners demonstrating what they learned! #lrnchat #lrnchat/
1:22 am Quinnovator: RT @LearnNuggets: Q3) Weeks/months later a learner performs/reacts/quotes an objective from course = Good. #lrnchat
1:22 am Quinnovator: RT @dawnjmahoney: Q3) the good is observing the learners demonstrating what they learned! #lrnchat
1:22 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @dawnjmahoney: Q3) the good is observing the learners demonstrating what they learned! #lrnchat #lrnchat/ #lrnchat
1:22 am jonhusband: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Hey, I recognize when I’m learning: new binders, lots of PPT, and doughnuts. #lrnchat
1:22 am latelierdelisse: Q2) Identify key pnts for Twitter or mLearning follow up after course. #lrnchat
1:23 am daviddlacroix: RT @LearnNuggets: Q3) Weeks/months later a learner performs/reacts/quotes an objective from course = Good. #lrnchat
1:23 am billcush: Q3) What about learning the “hard way.” Couldn’t I call that “good” learning?” #lrnchat
1:23 am minutebio: RT @dawnjmahoney: Q3) the good is observing the learners demonstrating what they learned | Ah, isn’t that level 3 #lrnchat
1:23 am hypergogue: Q3) Learners feel it was something THEY did. Rather than was done to them. #lrnchat
1:23 am Quinnovator: Q3) drives conversations or even development of a community! #lrnchat
1:23 am dawnjmahoney: Q3) in my world the Good is fewer workplace injuries, W/C claims, happier senior residents #lrnchat/
1:23 am chambo_online: Q3) Good learning: When feedback is formative not punitive. #lrnchat
1:23 am britz: Q3) good = “learner can do”… bad (or not enough) = “learner can recite” #lrnchat
1:24 am Quinnovator: Q3) more time with learners *doing* something than consuming #lrnchat
1:24 am allthingsnoisy: Q3) I like to ask my learners how they might apply what they’ve learned. I love the reactions, good or bad. #lrnchat
1:24 am minutebio: Q3) When the people from the help desk thank you for reducing the # of calls #lrnchat
1:24 am jonhusband: RT @hypergogue: Q2) Understand nature of organisations is possibly more important than psychological stuff. #lrnchat
1:24 am JoanVinallCox: RT @chambo_online: Q3) Good learning: When feedback is formative not punitive. #lrnchat
1:24 am ThomasStone: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
1:24 am billcush: Q3) Frankly, if a VP can look at a performance report and see that people are doing something well….probably was good learning. #lrnchat
1:24 am Quinnovator: Q3) where learners are *sharing* #lrnchat
1:24 am briandusablon: Q3) Be careful with good feedback. They might have just liked that it was short, or pretty. #lrnchat
1:24 am Dave_Ferguson: @billcush “The hard way” presumes effective (needed) learning, so yes. Also implies mismatch bet. outcome & learner readiness. #lrnchat
1:24 am briandusablon: RT @LearnNuggets: Q3) Weeks/months later a learner performs/reacts/quotes an objective from course = Good. #lrnchat
1:24 am Mary_a_Myers: q3) in my world good learning means better customer service, happier sellers, happier customers, stronger brands. #lrnchat
1:24 am Quinnovator: Q3) there’s a clear business case #lrnchat
1:24 am ryantracey: @lrnchat Q3) Good learning = improved performance #lrnchat
1:24 am LearnNuggets: RT @minutebio: Q3) When the people from the help desk thank you for reducing the # of calls << What’s ‘your’ secret? #lrnchat 1:24 am Dave_Ferguson: At the end of this course, the learner will be able to recall that there was a binder. #lrnchat 1:25 am chambo_online: Q3) When participants say “I used what we talked about yesterday already!” #lrnchat 1:25 am JaneBozarth: q3 When learners say they can’t wait to get back to work to try something. Happened today. #lrnchat 1:25 am briandusablon: Q3) When you hear about something you developed from someone outside your target audience. #lrnchat 1:25 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @ryantracey: @lrnchat Q3) Good learning = improved performance #lrnchat 1:25 am SuzNet: RT @dawnjmahoney: Q3) in my world the Good is fewer workplace injuries, W/C claims, happier senior residents #lrnchat/ #lrnchat 1:25 am ryantracey: RT @chambo_online Q3) Good learning: When feedback is formative not punitive. #lrnchat 1:25 am briandusablon: Definitely! Good one. > RT @minutebio: Q3) When the people from the help desk thank you for reducing the # of calls #lrnchat
1:25 am JaneBozarth: @briandusablon well, short is gooder than not short #lrnchat
1:25 am JoanVinallCox: RT @briandusablon: Q3) When you hear about something you developed from someone outside your target audience. #lrnchat
1:25 am minutebio: RT @LearnNuggets: << Whats your secret? | I stopped giving out the help desk #🙂 #lrnchat
1:26 am allthingsnoisy: @Mary_a_Myers re: Q3) it sounds like you are involved in a lot of corporate training. Yes? #lrnchat
1:26 am billcush: RT @chambo_online: Q3) When participants say “I used what we talked about yesterday already!” #lrnchat
1:26 am hypergogue: @Mary_a_Myers I like that: good learning means happier customers – outcomes not outputs #lrnchat
1:27 am Mary_a_Myers: @allthingsnoisy yeah…corporate training, sales training…whatever comes my way🙂 #lrnchat
1:27 am usablelearning: @lrnchat Q3) Quick Litmus: Does it have challenge, context, activity and feedback? (via Michael Allen) #lrnchat
1:27 am billcush: Q3) What distinguishes the good learning…..when people take it upon themselves to learn it. #lrnchat
1:27 am allthingsnoisy: @briandusablon I get that rxn frequently. Yes, it impresses, but getting learners to give more than “good job” can be difficult. #lrnchat
1:27 am ryantracey: Yes! RT @Mary_a_Myers in my world good learning means better customer service, happier sellers, happier customers, stronger brands. #lrnchat
1:27 am latelierdelisse: Q3) when feedback is specific to soemthing in the training. #lrnchat
1:27 am minutebio: RT @minutebio: RT @LearnNuggets: << Whats your secret? | Seriously, provide good instruction, sims, allow more practice… #lrnchat
1:27 am Quinnovator: Q3) “oh, so that explains…”, “now I see…” #lrnchat
1:27 am SuzNet: Q3 good learning sticks, is applied on the job, contributes to higher performance #lrnchat
1:27 am mpalko: A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. – Mark Twain #lrnchat
1:27 am LearnNuggets: @minutebio Ha! Wish there was a way to change my email. #lrnchat
1:27 am Dave_Ferguson: @Mary_a_Myers You mean corporate performance improvement, sales performance improvement… #lrnchat
1:27 am billcush: Q3) I hate to be taught, but I love to learn….#lrnchat Who said that? Churchill? Or me just now?
1:27 am latelierdelisse: Q3) When learners can identify impact on job. #lrnchat
1:28 am dawnjmahoney: RT @usablelearning: @lrnchat Q3) Quick Litmus: Does it have challenge, context, activity and feedback? (via Michael Allen) #lrnchat
1:28 am dawnjmahoney: RT @billcush: Q3) What distinguishes the good learning…..when people take it upon themselves to learn it. #lrnchat
1:28 am ThomasStone: Q3) When the learner has learned so well, they can teach others (even if aren’t expected to). #lrnchat
1:28 am briandusablon: Auto-Response! @LearnNuggets @minutebio #lrnchat
1:28 am chambo_online: Q3) Good learning won’t numb the behind #lrnchat
1:28 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @Mary_a_Myers You mean corporate performance improvement, sales performance improvement…< this is what i do! #lrnchat
1:28 am Quinnovator: RT @ThomasStone: Q3) When the learner has learned so well, they can teach others (even if aren’t expected to). #lrnchat
1:28 am cammybean: Sunsets on another #lrnchat http://twitpic.com/2vjmfy
1:28 am Quinnovator: RT @chambo_online: Q3) Good learning won’t numb the behind #lrnchat < or the mind!
1:28 am JaneBozarth: q3. When you ask them to come back.. .and help you teach it. #lrnchat
1:28 am LearnNuggets: @minutebio Training a Help Desk is like potty training a puppy…constant repetition of the same thing over and over and over. #lrnchat
1:28 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @ThomasStone: Q3) When the learner has learned so well, they can teach others (even if arent expected to). #lrnchat
1:28 am minutebio: RT @ThomasStone: Q3) When the learner has learned so well, they can teach others (even if arent expected to). #lrnchat
1:29 am dawnjmahoney: RT @SuzNet: Q3 good learning sticks, is applied on the job, contributes to higher performance #lrnchat
1:29 am Quinnovator: Q3) when learners leave energized, not exhausted (HT @chambo_online ) #lrnchat
1:29 am ASTD: RT @ThomasStone: Point being… check out your local #ASTD chapter, and consider becoming more active or joining the board. Could be win-win. #lrnchat
1:29 am LearnNuggets: RT @cammybean: Sunsets on another #lrnchat http://twitpic.com/2vjmfy << Nice! #lrnchat 1:30 am JoanVinallCox: Must leave early – thanks 4 fun and reinforcements (everything I re-tweeted ;->)- shameless boast – An eval I did evaled as perfect #lrnchat
1:30 am Quinnovator: Q3) when they want to show you how they applied what they learned (re: my game design workshop!) #lrnchat
1:30 am LearnNuggets: @cammybean Congrats by the way to your team and the “Steve’s” #lrnchat
1:30 am latelierdelisse: Q3) Anyone use reflection points in online learning where lrnr thinks abt application of material? #lrnchat
1:30 am SuzNet: RT @Quinnovator: Q3) when learners leave energized, not exhausted (HT @chambo_online ) #lrnchat
1:30 am dawnjmahoney: RT @ThomasStone: Point being… check out your local #ASTD chapter, and consider becoming more active or joining the board. Could be win-win. #lrnchat
1:30 am Mary_a_Myers: q3) good learning sometimes is good b/c you really needed it…you know…just in time. #lrnchat
1:31 am ThomasStone: Q3) When the learning is so good, so powerful, such a part of culture, that it actually improves morale and employee retention. #lrnchat
1:31 am ThomasStone: RT @Quinnovator: Q3) when learners leave energized, not exhausted (HT @chambo_online ) #lrnchat
1:31 am Quinnovator: Q3) when they bring you new ‘customers’ #lrnchat
1:31 am dawnjmahoney: RT @latelierdelisse: Q3) Anyone use reflection points in online learning where lrnr thinks abt application of material? #lrnchat
1:32 am hypergogue: Must. Go. To. Sleep. Lovely to see you all ? it’s been ages. One day we should have a ‘confession session’🙂 #lrnchat
1:32 am chambo_online: Good learning=I was curious, I asked, I learned, I applied. #lrnchat
1:32 am JaneBozarth: good learning solves a problem you may not even realize you had #lrnchat
1:32 am usablelearning: @Quinnovator Or at least *good* exhausted RT when learners leave energized, not exhausted (HT @chambo_online ) #lrnchat
1:32 am billcush: Q3) If you make training voluntary and your sessions are full. #lrnchat
1:32 am Quinnovator: @hypergogue you’ll have to join the early session! should be easier for you #lrnchat
1:33 am Mary_a_Myers: @hypergogue good night….i think we just did! (have a confession session….) #lrnchat
1:33 am ThomasStone: Q3) And obviously… when your learning results in something huge… like, uh, saving a life. #lrnchat
1:33 am chambo_online: @dawnjmahoney @latelierdelisse Use reflection always/regularly with my students #lrnchat
1:33 am chambo_online: RT @billcush: Q3) If you make training voluntary and your sessions are full. #lrnchat
1:33 am audioswhite: RT @Quinnovator: Q3) when learners leave energized, not exhausted (HT @chambo_online ) or sometimes both🙂 #lrnchat
1:33 am JaneBozarth: RT @ThomasStone: Q3) And obviously… when your learning results in something huge… like, uh, saving a life. #lrnchat
1:33 am Quinnovator: @latelierdelisse reflection powerful part of learning #lrnchat
1:34 am billcush: RT @ThomasStone: Q3) When the learning is so good such a part of culture, that it actually improves morale and employee retention. #lrnchat
1:34 am billcush: Now that is a winner. RT @Quinnovator: Q3) when they bring you new ‘customers’ #lrnchat
1:34 am billcush: RT @chambo_online: Good learning=I was curious, I asked, I learned, I applied. #lrnchat
1:34 am hypergogue: @Quinnovator The late session’s much better. My compatriots can be a determinedly F2F trainer-ish crowd sometimes😉 #lrnchat
1:35 am billcush: Gotta go. #lrnchat It’s been real.
1:35 am chambo_online: RT @hypergogue: @Quinnovator The late sessions much better. —>I thought it was just because I was here…😉 #lrnchat
1:36 am JaneBozarth: @billcush bye bill. Keep dialin’. #lrnchat
1:37 am sillym0nkey: here I come!!! REady to tweet like a crazy woman #lrnchat
1:37 am Quinnovator: @chambo_online well of course it is, and all the rest of us later lot #lrnchat
1:37 am lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
1:37 am audioswhite: Q3) can “good” learning occur in spite of instruction or environment? Based on many responses – yes. #lrnchat
1:37 am Quinnovator: @sillym0nkey um, for the last 20 mins? #lrnchat
1:37 am Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
1:37 am daviddlacroix: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
1:38 am latelierdelisse: Reflection points sometimes called learning stops, but aim higher, I hope. #lrnchat
1:38 am Callooh: I just want to work at Inventionland #lrnchat http://ow.ly/2Qn3m
1:38 am chambo_online: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
1:38 am Mary_a_Myers: q4) tell them they are wasting their time/money #lrnchat
1:38 am Quinnovator: RT @Mary_a_Myers: q4) tell them they are wasting their time/money #lrnchat < basically, yes
1:38 am briandusablon: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
1:38 am minutebio: RT @daviddlacroix: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
1:38 am minutebio: RT @Mary_a_Myers: q4) tell them they are wasting their time/money #lrnchat
1:39 am ThomasStone: Q4 – Give the stakeholders a relevant WIIFM too! Make clear the positive that will result, or the negative if they don’t support. #lrnchat
1:39 am sillym0nkey: @Quinnovator – have some catching up to do – will tweet faster #lrnchat
1:39 am Quinnovator: Q4) manage ‘up’, talk just ‘enough’ about what leads to learning that sticks versus learning that has happy faces and no effect #lrnchat
1:39 am dawnjmahoney: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
1:39 am briandusablon: Q4) Show them examples of higher quality experiences (and the user reactions to them) a lot of stakeholders just don’t know. #lrnchat
1:39 am sillym0nkey: RT @Quinnovator: RT @Mary_a_Myers: q4) tell them they are wasting their time/money #lrnchat < basically, yes
1:39 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @Callooh: I just want to work at Inventionland #lrnchat http://ow.ly/2Qn3m < RT @Mary_a_Myers: q4) tell them they are wasting their time/money #lrnchat
1:40 am britz: RT @Mary_a_Myers: q4) tell them they are wasting their time/money < ahhh but they don’t know what they don’t know… #lrnchat
1:40 am Ken_Steiger: #lrnchat q3) good learning is in the moment whether it’s planned or not
1:40 am audioswhite: Q4) while we would all love to gain radical change, with many clients – small steps toward the light seems to be working best #lrnchat
1:40 am planetrussell: Interested in learning technologies or just cordially curmudgeonly conversation about curricula? #Lrnchat may be for you!
1:40 am Quinnovator: Q4) first, talk the ‘talk’ about biz impact #lrnchat
1:40 am latelierdelisse: Q4) Asking what they want learners to DO is (all too) often an eyeopener for them. #lrnchat
1:40 am chambo_online: Q4) Demonstrate the benefit of higher quality thru improved performance #lrnchat
1:40 am Mary_a_Myers: q4) i suppose the word “influence” calls for a nicer, gentler wake up call. #lrnchat
1:40 am Quinnovator: Q4) then walk the walk: talk to ’em about value in learning, show them good/bad examples, demonstrate impact #lrnchat
1:40 am ThomasStone: Q4 – Usually… do not reference L&D / ID jargon, theories, etc. Unless they are into that. #lrnchat
1:40 am Quinnovator: RT @chambo_online: Q4) Demonstrate the benefit of higher quality thru improved performance #lrnchat < what she said
1:41 am briandusablon: Sweet! RT @Callooh: I just want to work at Inventionland http://ow.ly/2Qn3m #lrnchat
1:41 am dawnjmahoney: Q4) Present stakeholders with better more complete info at the meeting. Don’t make them jump to conclusions. #lrnchat/
1:41 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @chambo_online: Q4) Demonstrate the benefit of higher quality thru improved performance #lrnchat
1:41 am ThomasStone: Yes…. I was just going to say: Learn to speak their language. RT @Quinnovator: Q4) first, talk the ‘talk’ about biz impact #lrnchat
1:41 am LearnNuggets: Q4) Ask those hard questions about doing the same things and expecting different results. Not only alignment, but ownership. #lrnchat
1:41 am sillym0nkey: Q4) trouble w/ stakeholders -it’s new people all the time – just when u get 1 group trained u start over w/ new set next project #lrnchat
1:41 am britz: @Ken_Steiger hey Ken… new pic?…nice #lrnchat
1:41 am dawnjmahoney: RT @chambo_online: Q4) Demonstrate the benefit of higher quality thru improved performance #lrnchat
1:41 am minutebio: Q4) Put them in the learner’s shoes. #lrnchat
1:42 am dawnjmahoney: RT @ThomasStone: Q4 – Usually… do not reference L&D / ID jargon, theories, etc. Unless they are into that. #lrnchat
1:42 am LearnNuggets: RT @ThomasStone: Q4 – Usually… do not reference L&D / ID jargon, theories, etc. Unless they are into that. << Yes! #lrnchat
1:42 am jyinprocess: RT @briandusablon: Q4) Show examples of higher quality exp(and the user reactions) a lot of stakeholders just don’t know. #lrnchat <-agree!
1:42 am briandusablon: Q4) Create some quality user surveys, with promise of confidentiality. Gather all the results and share THAT with the big dogs. #lrnchat
1:42 am SuzNet: speak their languageRT @ThomasStone: Q4 – Usually… do not reference L&D / ID jargon, theories, etc. Unless they are into that. #lrnchat
1:42 am minutebio: RT @dawnjmahoney: RT @chambo_online: Q4) Demonstrate the benefit of higher quality thru improved performance #lrnchat
1:42 am Quinnovator: Q4) speak loudly when ‘bugwash’ is being bandied about #lrnchat
1:43 am minutebio: Q4) Show ’em the money… they will save and/or earn #lrnchat
1:43 am Ken_Steiger: RT @briandusablon: Q4) Show them examples of higher quality experiences (and the user reactions to them) a lot of stakeholders just don’t know. #lrnchat
1:43 am Quinnovator: RT @LearnNuggets: Q4) Ask hard questions about doing same things and expecting different results. #lrnchat < verily
1:43 am sillym0nkey: Q4) I try to move them at least a little – I call it a “educational opportunity” #lrnchat
1:43 am sillym0nkey: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) speak loudly when ‘bugwash’ is being bandied about #lrnchat
1:44 am britz: Q4) show them examples of effective solutions from similar biz areas if possible #lrnchat
1:44 am Quinnovator: RT @minutebio: Q4) Show ’em the money… they will save and/or earn #lrnchat
1:44 am Schnicker: Missing #lrnchat today due to meetings.. Hope it’s a good one – I’ll be back next week! :o)
1:44 am Callooh: Q4) Show that workers are actually taking time from wk spinning their wheels/trying to find info & this decreases productivity #lrnchat
1:44 am Quinnovator: RT @sillym0nkey: Q4) try to move them at least a little – call it a “educational opportunity” #lrnchat < yes, look for ‘learning moments’🙂
1:44 am LearnNuggets: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) speak loudly when bugwash is being bandied about << I see a cartoon in there somewhere🙂 #lrnchat
1:44 am SuzNet: q4 find a learning ally in the right place to influence the decision makers #lrnchat
1:44 am dawnjmahoney: RT @sillym0nkey: Q4) I try to move them at least a little – I call it a “educational opportunity” #lrnchat
1:45 am briandusablon: Q4) Very difficult when no accountability. Stakeholders don’t care. Then what? Go straight to the users – help them directly. #lrnchat
1:45 am Ken_Steiger: #lrnchat model great training from initial contact to installation to presentation thru follow up
1:45 am Quinnovator: Q4) get *real* data (HT @briandusablon ) #lrnchat
1:45 am ryantracey: Yep, compare to peers – RT @britz Q4) show them examples of effective solutions from similar biz areas if possible #lrnchat
1:45 am chambo_online: Q4) There’s always bar graphs and pie charts – Oh, and those will embed into a PPT for department meetings😉 #lrnchat
1:45 am Quinnovator: Q4) tell ’em what the competition is doing😉 #lrnchat
1:46 am Mary_a_Myers: q4) it really is in the showing, illustrating, demonstrating…experiencing. maybe they need a learning intervention around it #lrnchat
1:46 am JaneBozarth: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) tell em what the competition is doing😉 #lrnchat
1:46 am ThomasStone: Q4 – If possible, scare them. Show them what competitors are doing successfully. Standing still = falling behind. #lrnchat
1:46 am Quinnovator: @LearnNuggets I *love* cartoons! #lrnchat
1:46 am minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) tell em what the competition is doing😉 #lrnchat
1:46 am ThomasStone: RT @SuzNet: q4 find a learning ally in the right place to influence the decision makers #lrnchat
1:47 am chambo_online: Q4) Say “Do you really want to settle for mediocrity when this company can do so much better?” #lrnchat
1:47 am sillym0nkey: And sneak it in RT @briandusablon: Q4) Very difficult when no accountability. Stakeholders don’t care. #lrnchat
1:47 am britz: Q4) go rogue. pilot, get feedback …ask for forgiveness after…or a raise if it was solid! #lrnchat
1:47 am dawnjmahoney: Q4) Sometimes you have to talk financials first then do cost/benefits #lrnchat/
1:47 am sillym0nkey: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) tell ’em what the competition is doing😉 #lrnchat
1:47 am Quinnovator: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) tell ’em what the competition is doing😉 #lrnchat (er, HT @britz )
1:47 am sillym0nkey: RT @britz: Q4) go rogue. pilot, get feedback …ask for forgiveness after…or a raise if it was solid! #lrnchat
1:48 am Quinnovator: RT @britz: Q4) go rogue. pilot, get feedback …ask for forgiveness after…or a raise if it was solid! #lrnchat < forgiveness easier…😉
1:48 am dawnjmahoney: RT @ThomasStone: RT @SuzNet: q4 find a learning ally in the right place to influence the decision makers #lrnchat
1:48 am Callooh: Benchmarking against known competitors is powerful shows you know who their competitors are/makes u more credible) #lrnchat
1:48 am ThomasStone: RT @britz: Q4) go rogue. pilot, get feedback …ask for forgiveness after…or a raise if it was solid! #lrnchat
1:48 am Ken_Steiger: RT @chambo_online: .@JaneBozarth I want a “change agent” badge I can flash…like FBI or CIA #lrnchat
1:48 am chambo_online: Q4) Build in high quality from the start…what are they going to do, tell you to make is worse? #lrnchat
1:49 am dawnjmahoney: Q4) show them your previous results #lrnchat/
1:49 am sillym0nkey: Me too!! RT @Ken_Steiger: RT @chambo_online: .@JaneBozarth I want a “change agent” badge I can flash…like FBI or CIA #lrnchat
1:49 am Quinnovator: RT @chambo_online: Q4) Build in high quality from the start…what are they going to do, tell you to make is worse? #lrnchat < heh heh 1:50 am dawnjmahoney: RT @chambo_online: Q4) Build in high quality from the start…what are they going to do, tell you to make is worse? #lrnchat 1:50 am Quinnovator: Q4) bring in outside experts they’ll actually listen to😉 #lrnchat 1:50 am dawnjmahoney: RT @chambo_online: .@JaneBozarth I want a “change agent” badge I can flash…like FBI or CIA #lrnchat 1:50 am latelierdelisse: Q4) Have shown examples of good learning to stakeholders. They are often quite taken. #lrnchat 1:50 am LearnNuggets: @Quinnovator I just gotta figure out how to draw “bugwash” in the context of that quote🙂 #lrnchat 1:50 am lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat 1:50 am Mary_a_Myers: RT @dawnjmahoney: RT @chambo_online: Q4) Build in high quality from the start…what rthey going to do, tell u to make is worse? #lrnchat 1:50 am daviddlacroix: RT @chambo_online: Q4) …what are they going to do, tell you to make is worse? || It will be said in code: “accessible,” etc. #lrnchat 1:50 am sillym0nkey: Ugh! but true RT @Quinnovator: Q4) bring in outside experts they’ll actually listen to😉 #lrnchat 1:51 am SuzNet: q4 real life case studies from other organizations (esp competitors) that demonstrate impact of learning investments #lrnchat 1:51 am minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) bring in outside experts theyll actually listen to | When they won’t listen to the qualified internal experts? #lrnchat 1:51 am chambo_online: @LearnNuggets @Quinnovator Are bugwash and hogwash synonyms? #lrnchat 1:51 am latelierdelisse: Q4) Will sometimes throw creative questions at them. “What’s the story we are telling?” Seems to work. #lrnchat 1:51 am daviddlacroix: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat 1:51 am Quinnovator: that time again? thanks for another wonderful #lrnchat to all new and returning participants. Fun and learning is a powerful mix! 1:51 am Quinnovator: @chambo_online yes #lrnchat 1:52 am JaneBozarth: oh hey I forgot I’m a doctor of learnin’ stuff. Where’s the malpractice? #lrnchat 1:52 am JaneBozarth: RT @sillym0nkey: Ugh! but true RT @Quinnovator: Q4) bring in outside experts theyll actually listen to😉 #lrnchat 1:52 am chambo_online: Wow – that went fast! #lrnchat 1:52 am ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Element K in Rochester, NY. Another great #lrnchat everyone! 1:52 am Quinnovator: @minutebio unfortunately yes. as @sillym0nkey said, sad but true #lrnchat (and I’m available😉 1:52 am SuzNet: RT @chambo_online: @LearnNuggets @Quinnovator Are bugwash and hogwash synonyms? #lrnchat 1:52 am LearnNuggets: QWrap) Shameless plug: I’m a Guru! Earned Silver Award in the 2010 Articulate Guru contest >> http://ow.ly/2QniZ #lrnchat
1:53 am Quinnovator: @LearnNuggets congrats! Not surprised… #lrnchat
1:53 am ThomasStone: I don’t suppose any #lrnchat folks are into this… what I’ll be giving a try in a few weeks: CrossFit. http://youtu.be/tzD9BkXGJ1M
1:53 am daviddlacroix: Qwrap: David D. LaCroix, learning specialist and mostly recovered academic in the D of C. http://linkd.in/bBqkdl #lrnchat
1:53 am usablelearning: D’oh! Got sidetracked from the end of #lrnchat by @Hypergogue’s post about Style over Substance in Formal Learning http://bit.ly/ae7bs1
1:53 am JaneBozarth: qwrap: Buying “Social Media for Trainers” will solve all your problems, settle your malpractice cases, and whi+en your +eeth. #lrnchat
1:53 am briandusablon: Gotta run. Time to work. It’s been fun. Early QWrap) Brian Dusablon, Learning Geek. Hit me up. Let’s fix all this, together. #lrnchat
1:53 am britz: Qwrap) Mark Britz Perf. Spclst in The Heart of Autumn – #Syracuse NY! great chat, thx 4 the inspiration to keeping doing right! #lrnchat
1:54 am JaneBozarth: Yay @LearnNuggets! #lrnchat
1:54 am Quinnovator: serious request, would welcome feedback on: http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1739 #lrnchat
1:54 am briandusablon: We knew this! RT @LearnNuggets: QWrap) I’m a Guru! Earned Silver Award in the 2010 Articulate Guru contest >> http://ow.ly/2QniZ #lrnchat
1:54 am minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: unfortunately yes. as @sillym0nkey said, sad but true (and Im available😉 | Yes, seen it myself #lrnchat
1:54 am LearnNuggets: Congrats go out to the Kineo team, too! 2010 Articulate Guru contest >> http://ow.ly/2QniZ @cammybean #lrnchat
1:54 am chambo_online: Lisa Chamberlin, snark enthusiast, jack of all e-trades, living as a Yankee below the Mason-Dixon line. #lrnchat
1:54 am chris_saeger: Qwrap good night all a pleasure to learn from all #lrnchat
1:54 am Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design strategist extraordinaire, consultant/speaker/author, genial malcontent #lrnchat
1:55 am tgrevatt: @JaneBozarth Ahh, but will it flatten my belly😉 #lrnchat
1:55 am JaneBozarth: I am @chambo_online’s snark enabler, and welcome back the snark. #lrnchat
1:55 am dawnjmahoney: Fun-my first Lrnchat! Dawn Mahoney OD/OE, Assoc Dev #lrnchat/
1:55 am minutebio: Really gr8 chat this week. Thx everyone. Jeff Goldman eLearning at Johns Hopkins #lrnchat
1:55 am daviddlacroix: Shameless plug: on the hunt for training/curriculum/facilitation opportunities in DC. Not your usual post-academic… #lrnchat
1:55 am chambo_online: Qwrap: Buying “Making the Move to ELearning: Putting your Course Online” will solve your online issues, and lower your cholesterol. #lrnchat
1:55 am JaneBozarth: Many of us appearing 3 days only at #DevLearn10 in early November! #lrnchat
1:55 am JaneBozarth: @tgrevatt sure. #lrnchat
1:55 am Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers, first full #lrnchat in a long time, living & learning on the shores of lake ontario & the gateway to the Rideau Canal. #lrnchat
1:56 am ThomasStone: Why yes, I am the author of Element K Blog. Glad you asked. http://blog.elementk.com/ #lrnchat
1:56 am sillym0nkey: QWrap) training games, immersive learning, training funologist – trying to help stakeholders get inspired! #lrnchat
1:56 am chambo_online: @dawnjmahoney Welcome Dawn…glad we didn’t scare you away! #lrnchat
1:56 am sillym0nkey: RT @JaneBozarth: Many of us appearing 3 days only at #DevLearn10 in early November! #lrnchat
1:56 am Callooh: qwrap) Dianne Rees ID-er from TX. For #healthlit mo., help at least 1 person find good online health info (Thx for a grt #lrnchat )
1:56 am SuzNet: @ThomasStone that looks like way too much work, Tom! Heard you had a great ALC–from Groucho #lrnchat
1:56 am chambo_online: @JaneBozarth #DevLearn10 flaunter #lrnchat
1:56 am usablelearning: @lrnchat Qwrap) Thanks for another lovely #lrnchat! Julie Dirksen, Mpls ID/e-Learning Nerd,
1:57 am lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls invite others next week & tell us if you blog about the conversation. http://lrnchat.com

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