Transcript 7 October 2010 (early)

04:31:14 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
04:31:21 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
04:31:37 pm eshwaranv: The 90 min discussion on learning malpractice has begun. Join the convo at #lrnchat
04:31:42 pm myFootpath: Please excuse the barrage of tweets over the next hour for #lrnchat. Today’s topic: learning malpractice.
#lrnchat
04:31:58 pm dtssmithers: Topic today is Learning Malpractice, so do join us #lrnchat See Clark Quinn’s http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1725 #lrnchat
04:32:02 pm janet_frg: RT @olliegardener: #lrnchat is here again. Excuse the ongoing tweets, or join us! The topic today is Learning malpractice. #lrnchat
04:32:27 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
04:32:31 pm lrnchat: Rule2. [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
04:32:40 pm srleosalazar: A busy evening interacting planned: #lrnchat at 17:30, #ebdiversity at 19:00. If my tweets are excessive, my apologies.
04:32:48 pm myFootpath: Hello! Noel here for myFootpath in Chicago. We love helping people find the degree, school, career or job that’s right for them! #lrnchat
04:32:49 pm eshwaranv: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1. Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
04:33:04 pm sifowler: Please ‘scuse deluge de la tweet coming for next hour or so. Subject is “Learning malpractice”. #lrnchat
04:33:09 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, ISD and Telecom Consultant, N Texas #lrnchat
04:33:33 pm lrnchat: Rule3. When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
04:33:36 pm JudithELS: Hi everyone, Judith Christian-Carter from England, a lover of all things to do with good learning practice. #lrnchat
04:33:36 pm kelly_smith01: RT @dtssmithers: About to begin tweeting with #lrnchat. Please excuse the tweets…better yet, join me and the others! #lrnchat
04:33:50 pm BizDevMegan: RT @lrnchat: Rule3. When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
04:33:51 pm lress: #lrnchat starts with introduction: Focus: Live-Online-Training and Webinars, Location: somewhere in Germany
04:34:03 pm dtssmithers: Travis Smith, new to Atlanta GA, Instructional Designer working on converting ILT to VCT (WebEx) #lrnchat
04:34:09 pm c4lpt: Jane Hart, from Nr Bath in England, I help organisations understand how their pple can work smarter with SoMe #lrnchat
04:34:22 pm sifowler: @lrnchat .. you want complete thoughts from me? that’s optimistic🙂 #lrnchat
04:34:29 pm lrnchat: Rule4. Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com work well
04:34:42 pm dtssmithers: Fav topics: informal & social learning. #lrnchat
04:34:48 pm eshwaranv: Hi all… This is Vytheeshwaran, science teacher from Chennai, India. Into E learning and instructional designing #lrnchat
04:35:40 pm lrnchat: Rule5. Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in too.
04:35:43 pm souzifrancis: Souzi Francis, Houston, L&D Master’s student, #lrnchat
04:35:48 pm dtssmithers: Check? Does everyone see my Twitter Gravatar? #lrnchat
04:35:52 pm sifowler: Simon Fowler, R&D at Forum Corp, excited that there’s momentum in participation on yammer at work. #lrnchat
04:36:09 pm srleosalazar: Q0) Hello everyone! Looking forward: Leo Salazar, Amsterdam, Effective Intercultural Business http://bit.ly/cPAQh5 #lrnchat
04:36:22 pm lrnchat: Rule6. On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really
04:36:32 pm sahana2802: Sahana, L&D Consultant from Pun,e currently in Bangalore, India. Exploring E2.0 and workplace learning. Love to #lrnchat
04:36:37 pm 2GFred: G Fred Stevens: Personal Development Training; Los Angeles. “All growth starts with personal growth.” #lrnchat
04:36:40 pm sahana2802: RT @lrnchat: Rule5. Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in too.
04:36:48 pm olliegardener: Q1 Hello #lrnchat Ollie Gardener here, entrepreneur. About to launch NoddlePod beta. A tool to enable and encourage social learning #lrnchat
04:36:59 pm janet_frg: Janet from the scenic Ohio Valley. Consultant : learning, collaboration, and carrier pigeon outsourcing. #lrnchat
04:37:02 pm engagethem: Kathy here with EngageThem in Tampa. Digital marketing/PR for small companies. #lrnchat
04:37:02 pm fredsheahan: Joining #lrnchat: today’s topic is Learning Malpractice. Please excuse tweets and feel free to join in!
04:37:09 pm srleosalazar: @dtssmithers No gravatar. Only the browno_O standard #lrnchat
04:37:15 pm WasimB1: Q0) currently in London and working on delivering training for new Sky3D and Sky Anytime+ products. Looking forward to the #lrnchat topic
04:37:17 pm daviddlacroix: Sad to miss #lrnchat this morning. Too bad the dog can’t walk herself…
04:37:25 pm lrnchat: Rule7. 10 min before the end of #lrnchat, reintroduce yourself. Links, requests, & shameless plugs welcome, too.
04:37:44 pm simbeckhampson: Paul Simbeck-Hampson, Bavaria, Germany. Learnscape Architect… Hi everyone… #lrnchat
04:37:46 pm myFootpath: @engagethem Hey there!🙂 #lrnchat
04:38:06 pm ckagy: Chris Kagy: Trainer, training manager, Devis, Washington DC #lrnchat
04:38:11 pm myFootpath: @simbeckhampson hi! #lrnchat
04:38:12 pm dtssmithers: @sifowler, that’s awesome w/ Yammer! I wish I just had access to Yammer to present to my company. #lrnchat
04:38:24 pm lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:38:31 pm charlesjennings: Charles Jennings, UK – learning, performance and productivity consultant helping orgs. improve workforce capability #lrnchat
04:38:33 pm fredsheahan: Hi everyone! Fred Sheahan, Learning Consultant in Minneapolis, MN #lrnchat
04:38:35 pm engagethem: @myFootpath Glad to see you Noel! #lrnchat
04:38:37 pm sifowler: Q0) I’m fine. Hoping that today’s convo isn’t a rehash of formal=evil-control-freaks informal=enlightened-learner-centered-freaks #lrnchat
04:38:39 pm eshwaranv: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:38:49 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:38:49 pm JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
04:38:58 pm myFootpath: @engagethem You too! #lrnchat
04:39:15 pm myFootpath: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
04:39:18 pm LandDDave: Greetings all. David Kelly, Training Director for a NYC Bank. #lrnchat
04:39:33 pm cpjobling: Chris Jobling, Swansea University, still learning about lnrning #lrnchat
04:39:40 pm WasimB1: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:39:42 pm 2GFred: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
04:39:43 pm srleosalazar: Q0) I’ve been having a great time learning @Prezi. I’ll be using it for the first time on Monday. A totally new way of “presenting” #lrnchat
04:39:55 pm myFootpath: Q0: Re-learned a kindergarten lesson this week: patience is a virtue. #lrnchat
04:39:58 pm dtssmithers: RT @lrnchat Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
04:39:59 pm cpjobling: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
04:40:18 pm eshwaranv: Q0) Learned that I’ve got loads of stuff to unlearn and a lot more to learn. #lrnchat
04:40:20 pm engagethem: I’ve been thinking about the symbiotic relationship between HR and Marketing – interrelated, yet too seldom collaborate. #lrnchat
04:40:37 pm simbeckhampson: @myFootpath Hi🙂 #lrnchat
04:40:44 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned new torture – wait for client to sign contract #lrnchat
04:40:52 pm lress: #lrnchat Q0) What have I learned this week? Doing training for trainers is something special🙂
04:41:03 pm fredsheahan: Q0) Wondering whether the term Learning Information Architect better summarizes highered learning consulting work.. #lrnchat
04:41:05 pm sahana2802: Q0: Learned tht “effective training” doesn’t use instructions or PPTs with bullet points but encourage participation & discovery. #lrnchat
04:41:05 pm dtssmithers: This week I have learned how amazingly accurate Clark Quinn’s simple blog post is w/ Corporate America http://bit.ly/bvkPuo #lrnchat
04:41:06 pm myFootpath: @engagethem Right?? Breaking down those silos is hard, but key!! #lrnchat
04:41:07 pm sifowler: Q0) learned that #newtwitter is like, but not so good as, the old twitter with the awesome monkeyfly browser addin #lrnchat
04:41:28 pm engagethem: @srleosalazar I’ve been wanting to ‘play’ with Prezi… Haven’t found time to jump in yet. Would love to see yours. #lrnchat
04:41:30 pm TrDev: Delivering Value with PeopleSoft Human Capital Management 9.1: Oracle HCM applications provide orga… http://bit.ly/csEUmq #trdev #lrnchat
04:41:35 pm torriedunlap: #lrnchat Late, but here! Torrie from San Diego
04:41:38 pm c4lpt: Q0) I learned that most people at #elearningdebate do NOT believe tht tech-supported informal learning is more style than substance #lrnchat
04:41:38 pm srleosalazar: @engagethem Indeed, a closer cooperation between marketing and HR can make both areas far more effective. #lrnchat
04:41:43 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q0) We begin w/ a #lrnchat welcome: What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
04:41:57 pm torriedunlap: RT @fredsheahan: Joining #lrnchat: today’s topic is Learning Malpractice. Please excuse tweets and feel free to join in!
04:41:57 pm WasimB1: My favourite question of the day – Who decided that a round pizza should be put in a square box? (RT @MKCallConsult) #lrnchat
04:42:01 pm sahana2802: Don’t miss the comments in Clark Quinn’s post: http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1725 #lrnchat
04:42:04 pm ckagy: Q0) I began to learn a new collaboration tool: Confluence #lrnchat
04:42:05 pm simbeckhampson: Q) I’ve been experimenting with UStream on Android over wifi – very cool. #lrnchat
04:42:07 pm dietsociety: Q0) Learned not to doubt myself and that documenting a technical procedure for non-technical audience is tough. #lrnchat
04:42:09 pm dtssmithers: Also learning tons about the conversion of ILT to VCT & coming up with some great ideas that would be very practical of the LD com. #lrnchat
04:42:13 pm JudithELS: Q0) Learned that some people have no idea that for others time is of the essence. #lrnchat
04:42:15 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Picked up some info on Articulate/Captivate from some current users #lrnchat
04:42:18 pm myFootpath: @sahana2802 Great point! Active learning is much more effective than passive learning. #lrnchat
04:42:28 pm souzifrancis: I have learned that the organization I work for has no learning culture and they are aware & okay with that.😦 #lrnchat
04:42:32 pm sifowler: what’s the essence of the symbiosis? RT @engagethem: thinking bt symbiotic rel btw HR & Marketing -interrelated seldom collaborate. #lrnchat
04:42:59 pm myFootpath: @ckagy What is confluence? #lrnchat
04:43:17 pm eshwaranv: @sahana2802 Very true! #lrnchat
04:43:20 pm LandDDave: Q0) I learned about Instagram, and it has quickly become my go-to app for photo sharing via my iPhone. Highly recommended. #lrnchat
04:43:45 pm theteachinggame: Q0) I learned that it’s better to take a break before things fall apart…than after #lrnchat
04:43:54 pm JudithELS: Q0) Learned yesterday that to have an effective debate you have to have an effective motion. #lrnchat
04:44:01 pm srleosalazar: @souzifrancis Pfft! Time to move on? #lrnchat
04:44:04 pm 2GFred: Q0) I’ve learned that much multitasking actually reduces a person’s ability to multitask. #lrnchat
04:44:22 pm engagethem: @sifowler Effective brand leads to higher quality talent acquisition. Better talent leads to higher brand quality. #lrnchat
04:44:23 pm ckagy: RT @myFootpath: @ckagy What is confluence? #lrnchat < http://bit.ly/Otmha
04:44:24 pm lrnchat: Today's #lrnchat is on Learning Malpractice
04:44:30 pm theteachinggame: @c4lpt That's interesting…who was the audience?
#lrnchat
04:44:30 pm simbeckhampson: @srleosalazar lol😉 #lrnchat
04:44:36 pm sahana2802: RT @lrnchat: Today's #lrnchat is on Learning Malpractice
04:44:47 pm olliegardener: q0) that our brain can learn to "see" with our tongue -our brain never ceases to amaze me! http://ow.ly/2Q420 #lrnchat
04:44:50 pm kelly_smith01: RT @lrnchat: Today's #lrnchat is on Learning Malpractice
04:44:51 pm myFootpath: @ckagy Ooooo … thanks!! #lrnchat
04:44:55 pm WasimB1: A vast majority! RT @C4LPT: i learned most people do NOT believe that tech-supported informal learning is more style than substance #lrnchat
04:44:58 pm nmeffert: Q0) I learned (remembered) genius ain't pretty sometimes, but it's always necessary. #lrnchat
04:45:04 pm ckagy: RT @souzifrancis: ive learned that the organization I work 4 has no learning culture & they R aware & okay w/ that.😦 #lrnchat > good question! #lrnchat
04:48:02 pm ckagy: Q1) Using learning opportunities as a reward for performance instead of the other way around #lrnchat
04:48:06 pm c4lpt: @theteachinggame See Clark Quinn’s posting for bkgd info on this http://blog.learnlets.com/?p=1725 #lrnchat
04:48:12 pm engagethem: Ooo… I like that. RT @richard_baker: @engagethem actually we talk quite a lot🙂 often about employee brand. #lrnchat
04:48:22 pm sahana2802: Q1. Putting adult learners in a room for the day & pushing sessions of bullet-ridden presentations at them in the name of trng. #lrnchat
04:48:23 pm torriedunlap: Q1) Posting learner’s “burning issues” in a parking lot, and then never addressing them leaving learners unsatisfied. #lrnchat
04:48:24 pm JudithELS: Q1) Training programmes which do not address the learning needs of the target audience. #lrnchat
04:48:28 pm eshwaranv: Q1) Aimless bulleted lists! #lrnchat
04:48:29 pm simbeckhampson: @LandDDave Thanks… will google it later #lrnchat
04:48:37 pm myFootpath: @ckagy Love it! Someone should have thought of that sooner! #lrnchat
04:48:41 pm sifowler: Q1) what I mean is, there is learner malpractice too, L&D responds to, as well as originates, this kind of malpractice #lrnchat
04:48:48 pm nancyrubin: Q0) Learned there is a lot of interest in Personal Learning in education today. How to implement is ongoing question. #lrnchat
04:48:50 pm charlesjennings: Q1) learning malpractice – believing that knowledge test pass=learning. Knowledge test pass=good short-term memory ONLY #lrnchat
04:48:58 pm souzifrancis: Q1) Offering training for employees, but then telling them that they can’t go during “their busy times”😦 #lrnchat
04:49:16 pm JenWomble: In 5 years, all 55 milion K-12 students using MLDs are part of their curriculum.Elliot Soloway #fetcv #mild #teched #edtech #lrnchat #ednet
04:49:26 pm myFootpath: RT @torriedunlap Q1) Posting learner’s issues in a parking lot, and then never addressing them leaving learners unsatisfied. #lrnchat
04:49:36 pm sahana2802: Q1. Thinking that a “one size fits all” and “push” will work with adults who come with widely varying levels of experience. #lrnchat
04:49:46 pm sahana2802: RT @charlesjennings: Q1) learning malpractice – believing that knowledge test pass=learning. Knowledge test pass=good short-term memory ONLY #lrnchat
04:49:47 pm WasimB1: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
04:49:50 pm dtssmithers: @souzifrancis yesterday I learned something similiar, but my org wants to do something about it. Vastly different feeling. #lrnchat
04:50:06 pm nmeffert: Q1) Talking in meaningless jargon. #lrnchat
04:50:06 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) “Templated” activities inserted into e-learning to leave the impression of interactivity, #lrnchat
04:50:10 pm sifowler: RT @sahana2802: Q1. Putting adult learners in a room for day, pushing bullet-ridden presentations at them in the name of trng. #lrnchat
04:50:11 pm srleosalazar: Q1) Everyone knows, from line management to participants to trainers, that the training isn’t going to fix the problem. #lrnchat
04:50:30 pm JudithELS: Q1) Making employees go on training courses when it’s not training that is required. #lrnchat
04:50:33 pm simbeckhampson: @nancyrubin How to implement is now the BIG question. Where is the list of solutions? Where are the discussions? #lrnchat
04:50:38 pm myFootpath: @souzifrancis Q1) Offer training but tell employees they can’t go during “busy times” >> or making them do it on personal time! #lrnchat
04:50:46 pm ckagy: Q1) Assuming that every workplace performance issue can be addressed by training. #lrnchat
04:50:56 pm sifowler: RT @charlesjennings: Q1) malpractice- believing that knowledge test pass=learning. Knowledge test pass=good short-term memory ONLY #lrnchat
04:51:03 pm jpapakalos: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
04:51:14 pm theteachinggame: Q1) Learning malpractice=using terms that are made up and assuming that a wide audience knows what they mean #lrnchat
04:51:15 pm srleosalazar: RT @JudithELS: Q1) Making employees go on training courses when its not training that is required. << faulty needs analysis #lrnchat
04:51:19 pm dtssmithers: Learning malpractice: a complete disarray or an apparrent disarray of knowledge on the intranet/sharepoint. Info hard 2 find! #lrnchat
04:51:36 pm WasimB1: Q1) Not offering follow-up support and expecting a continued change in behaviour. #lrnchat
04:51:36 pm souzifrancis: @myFootpath Absolutely correct…asking learners to learn on their personal time > ridiculous! #lrnchat
04:51:37 pm nmeffert: RT @simbeckhampson @nancyrubin How to implement is now the BIG question. Where is the list of solutions? Where are the discussions? #lrnchat
04:51:41 pm sahana2802: Q1. Confusing “instruction” and “information” with training and workplace performance support. #lrnchat #training
04:51:44 pm tadams_InMind: @srLeoSalazar
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Q1) training isn’t going to fix the problem. #lrnchat – many consider training as part of the problem!
04:51:50 pm lress: RT @srleosalazar: Everyone knows, from line management to participants to trainers, that the training isnt going to fix the problem #lrnchat
04:51:53 pm engagethem: Ditto that! RT @nmeffert: Q1) Talking in meaningless jargon. #lrnchat
04:52:00 pm myFootpath: @sifowler @charlesjennings Also, test learning is limited … doesn’t test for all skill sets/abilities. #lrnchat
04:52:01 pm kelly_smith01: RT @charlesjennings: Q1) malpractice – believing that knowledge test pass=learning.Knowledge test pass=good short-term memory ONLY #lrnchat
04:52:08 pm jpapakalos: Q1) Cramming too much info into one short period of time. Such a waste of perfectly good knowledge and time. #lrnchat
04:52:09 pm simbeckhampson: Perhaps eventually training will become a taboo word… #lrnchat
04:52:14 pm sifowler: not most problems anyway RT @srleosalazar: Q1) Everyone knows that the training isnt going to fix the problem. #lrnchat
04:52:19 pm sahana2802: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) “Templated” activities inserted into e-learning to leave the impression of interactivity, #lrnchat
04:52:22 pm eshwaranv: Q1) Instructors out of sync with the training materials and ultimately the learners. -> Confusion #lrnchat
04:52:26 pm jonhusband: RT @charlesjennings: Q1) learning malpractice – believing that knowledge test pass=learning. Knowledge test pass=good short-term memory ONLY #lrnchat
04:52:28 pm eshwaranv: RT @jpapakalos: Q1) Cramming too much info into one short period of time. Such a waste of perfectly good knowledge and time. #lrnchat
04:52:29 pm simbeckhampson: @nmeffert good’ay mate😉 #lrnchat
04:52:35 pm myFootpath: @souzifrancis As in “we have an awesome training retreat planned for you … this Saturday and Sunday!” LOL #lrnchat
04:52:43 pm souzifrancis: @dtssmithers I’m glad ur org wants to change it…I wish I could change mine…but culture is so hard to change w/o champions #lrnchat
04:52:46 pm srleosalazar: @tadams_InMind And sometimes it is!!! Who here hasn’t been complicit at one time or another? #lrnchat
04:52:46 pm jonhusband: RT @c4lpt: @theteachinggame see http://elearningdebate.com #lrnchat
04:52:46 pm c4lpt: Q1) believing that training=learning=performing #lrnchat
04:52:50 pm ckagy: RT @dtssmithers: complete disarray or an apparrent disarray of knowledge on the intranet/sharepoint. Info hard 2 find! #lrnchat YES the one-size-fits-all mentality is truly learning malpractice! #lrnchat
04:53:24 pm JudithELS: Q1) Using any delivery method as the ‘tail’ to wag the learning ‘dog’. #lrnchat
04:53:24 pm ckagy: Q1) failing to acknowledge and foster learning that takes place outside the classroom #lrnchat
04:53:25 pm sahana2802: RT @c4lpt: Q1) believing that training=learning=performing #lrnchat
04:53:43 pm elearningmatt: Matt Hart, leading on online learning for a housing association and a bit late for #lrnchat
04:53:46 pm fredsheahan: RT @c4lpt: Q1) believing that training=learning=performing #lrnchat
04:53:48 pm 2GFred: RT @JudithELS: Q1) Using any delivery method as the tail to wag the learning dog. #lrnchat
04:53:48 pm torriedunlap: Q1) Activities for the sake of activities, but not linked to content or learning objectives in any way- just party games. #lrnchat
04:53:49 pm nmeffert: @simbeckhampson G’day! #lrnchat
04:53:52 pm tadams_InMind: @jpapakalos Q1) Cramming too much into one short period of time -waste good knowledge & time. #lrnchat – good point! Not planned out well!
04:53:53 pm engagethem: Yes – mentor & equip instead. RT @sahana2802: Q1. Confusing “instruction” and “information” with training/workplace perf. support. #lrnchat
04:53:56 pm dtssmithers: @WasimB1 @sahana2802 However, PPT can be “effective training” if done well. Yet most use PPT as a crutch than a learning tool. #lrnchat
04:54:01 pm olliegardener: RT @ckagy: Q1) failing to acknowledge and foster learning that takes place outside the classroom #lrnchat
04:54:08 pm robertbrogan: @WasimB1 Lack of follow up support to reinforce learning to impact performance #lrnchat
04:54:19 pm elearningmatt: Q1) What examples of learning malpractice have you seen? #lrnchat
04:54:19 pm myFootpath: Agreed! Everyone learns differently! RT souzifrancis @sahana2802 > the one-size-fits-all mentality is truly learning malpractice! #lrnchat
04:54:21 pm srleosalazar: RT @ckagy: Q1) failing to acknowledge and foster learning that takes place outside the classroom #lrnchat
04:54:35 pm julieannf: Q1) Forcing young Career Track employees to do basic IT courses just to get the certificates for their NVQ #lrnchat
04:54:40 pm LindaDeLuca: RT @jenisecook: BREAKING: #Apple #iPhone on #Verizon by year end, via #CNBC … (Just rumor?) #mlearncon #mobile #elearning #lrnchat #astd
04:54:41 pm eshwaranv: Q1) Not understanding the pulse of the learning group.. Pointless dumping of training material #lrnchat
04:54:41 pm nancyrubin: RT @engagethem: Yes – mentor & equip instead. RT @sahana2802: Q1. Confusing “instruction” and “information” with training/workplace perf. support. #lrnchat
04:54:43 pm tadams_InMind: @C4LPT Q1) believing that training=learning=performing #lrnchat – Love that thought! There is a total disconnect at times!
04:54:43 pm chrisstjohn: Chris StJohn: PM @DAU (the WalMart of Learning). Suburban Wash DC #lrnchat
04:54:44 pm nmeffert: Q1) Turning learning into an industrial process. #lrnchat
04:54:46 pm souzifrancis: Q1) saying that learning is important, but having no champions or policies or budgets to enable ppl to learn #lrnchat
04:54:53 pm 2GFred: Q1) Malpractice = any disrespect of the learner #lrnchat
04:55:04 pm WasimB1: Absolutely RT @robertbrogan: @WasimB1 Lack of follow up support to reinforce learning to impact performance #lrnchat
04:55:11 pm simbeckhampson: RT @charlesjennings: learning malpractice – believing that knowledge test pass=learning. KN test pass=good short-term memory ONLY #lrnchat
04:55:14 pm dtssmithers: Learning Malprac Ex: Instructors’/facilitators’ inability to wait through the silence. Instead they just give the answer away. #lrnchat
04:55:14 pm robertbrogan: RT @olliegardener: RT @ckagy: Q1) failing to acknowledge and foster learning that takes place outside the classroom #lrnchat
04:55:30 pm ckagy: RT @souzifrancis: Q1) saying that learning is important, but having no champions or policies or budgets to enable ppl to learn #lrnchat
04:55:32 pm eshwaranv: RT @2GFred: Q1) Malpractice = any disrespect of the learner #lrnchat
04:55:45 pm LandDDave: Q1) Learning Malpractice: Using the word ‘Event’ when describing a learning strategy. #lrnchat
04:55:47 pm michaelfbroom: RT @charlesjennings: Q1) learning malpractice – believing that knowledge test pass=learning. Knowledge test pass=good short-term memory ONLY #lrnchat
04:55:51 pm elearningmatt: Q1) Writing off a whole type of learning in an organisation because it doesn’t fit YOUR particular learning style #lrnchat
04:55:55 pm WasimB1: Short, sharp and spot on!! RT @2GFred: Q1) Malpractice = any disrespect of the learner #lrnchat
04:55:55 pm eshwaranv: Learning is not mechanical -> RT @nmeffert: Q1) Turning learning into an industrial process. #lrnchat
04:55:58 pm souzifrancis: Q1) No alignment between resources & learning & content. #lrnchat
04:55:58 pm jpapakalos: @tadams_InMind Just talking to folks in the field and this is a huge concern. Time and money wasted on classes w/ little retention. #lrnchat
04:56:05 pm JudithELS: Q1) Thinking all learning provision has to be blended by providing a dump of bits and pieces. #lrnchat
04:56:22 pm myFootpath: Q1: Putting the burden or learning solely on the learner. #lrnchat
04:56:30 pm janet_frg: Q1) “they should be able to learn whatever they need from reading this ppt deck” #lrnchat
04:56:30 pm dtssmithers: RT @sifowler learner…hasn’t engaged brain…b4 or after, thinks they’ll learn // too often we blame training for learner issues. #lrnchat
04:56:31 pm nancyrubin: RT @souzifrancis: Q1) No alignment between resources & learning & content. #lrnchat
04:56:32 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Phrases like “At the end of this lesson you will be able to:” or “Select the best answer.” #lrnchat
04:56:41 pm nmeffert: @eshwaranv Thanks for the RT. Good to see you again. #lrnchat
04:56:43 pm srleosalazar: RT @2GFred: Q1) Malpractice = any disrespect of the learner << well said: and/or of his/her field of work. #lrnchat
04:56:50 pm eshwaranv: Q1) Use of technology just because it is there. #lrnchat
04:56:58 pm myFootpath: That was supposed to be: Q1: Putting the burden of learning solely on the learner #lrnchat
04:56:58 pm ckagy: Q1) Not _really_ wanting to see anything change post-learning #lrnchat
04:57:05 pm LindaDeLuca: RT @dtssmithers: Learning Malprac Ex: Instr/facilitators’ inability to wait thu silence. Instead they give the answer away. #lrnchat
04:57:09 pm julieannf: Q1) Believing in your happy sheets #lrnchat
04:57:10 pm eshwaranv: @nmeffert Nice meeting you again #lrnchat
04:57:13 pm olliegardener: Q1) Failing to include and engage learners in each others learning and development. #lrnchat
04:57:15 pm theteachinggame: RT @elearningmatt: Q1) Writing off a whole type of learning in an organisation because it doesnt fit YOUR particular learning style #lrnchat
04:57:20 pm fredsheahan: Q1) Reliance on formal learning when learners will require informal lrning & adaptability w/in authentic practice. #lrnchat
04:57:27 pm simbeckhampson: If this type of negligence was occurring in the legal or medical arena it would be very expensive! #lrnchat
04:57:28 pm JudithELS: Q1) The use of learning style questionnaires to pigeon-hole people. #lrnchat
04:57:33 pm souzifrancis: Q1) Dis-couraging informal learning via policies #lrnchat
04:57:33 pm WasimB1: Yes! RT @souzifrancis: Q1) saying that learning is important, but having no champions or policies or budgets to enable ppl to learn #lrnchat
04:57:39 pm lress: Follow #lrnchat to read how learning/training should not be – Learning Malpractice
04:57:44 pm tadams_InMind: @2GFred Q1) Malpractice = any disrespect of the learner #lrnchat that is a good focus!
04:57:51 pm olliegardener: Q1) Not connecting with learners on-the-job reality #lrnchat
04:57:55 pm sahana2802: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Phrases like “At the end of this lesson you will be able to:” or “Select the best answer.” #lrnchat
04:57:58 pm sifowler: q1) re informal learning, “no cohesive effort to coordinate network or align w/ resources & formal learning” (@quinnovator) #lrnchat
04:57:59 pm derekwwade: Pushing slides of bullet-points onto adult learners given as top example of “learning malpractice” at #lrnchat
04:58:06 pm srleosalazar: RT @julieannf: Q1) Believing in your happy sheets <<< LOL!!! the ultimate self-delusion! #lrnchat
04:58:17 pm olliegardener: RT @fredsheahan: Q1) Reliance on formal learning when learners will require informal lrning & adaptability w/in authentic practice. #lrnchat
04:58:19 pm TWells: RT @TWells: Q1) Completing training & then not applying wt they learned in the workplace (there may be no opportunities). #lrnchat
04:58:19 pm myFootpath: Using learning like a security blanket to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy, but not enacting change. #lrnchat
04:58:23 pm robertbrogan: RT @souzifrancis: Q1) Dis-couraging informal learning via policies #lrnchat
04:58:46 pm LandDDave: Q1) Belittling learners with phrases like "Let's play a game". #lrnchat
04:58:48 pm eshwaranv: RT @robertbrogan: RT @souzifrancis: Q1) Dis-couraging informal learning via policies #lrnchat
04:58:51 pm TWells: RT @sahana2802: Q1. Confusing "instruction" and "information" with training and workplace performance support. #lrnchat #training
04:58:57 pm nancyrubin: Q1) Not creating an environment where learning is an ongoing process instead of an event. #lrnchat
04:59:01 pm LuminaFound: Q1) Lack of transparent learning outcomes (transparent to students & employers later on) #lrnchat
04:59:06 pm derekwwade: Q1. Learning malpractice – making training "one-way" (push knowledge into learners' heads, rather than allow learners to "steer") #lrnchat
04:59:42 pm tadams_InMind: @souzifrancis Q1) Dis-couraging informal learning via policies #lrnchat – good point- has to be a connection between formal & informal!
04:59:45 pm myFootpath: Yes! Like that "fall back and I'll catch u" exercise! RT @LandDDave Q1) Belittling learners with phrases like "Let's play a game". #lrnchat
04:59:54 pm LuminaFound: Check out the interesting convo re: "learning malpractice" at #lrnchat #highered #edreform
04:59:59 pm JudithELS: RT @LandDDave: Q1) Belittling learners with phrases like "Lets play a game". <Yes, plus stupid 'ice-breakers'. #lrnchat
05:00:05 pm TWells: RT @ckagy: Q1) failing to acknowledge and foster learning that takes place outside the classroom #lrnchat
05:00:06 pm robertbrogan: RT @sifowler: q1) re informal learning, "no cohesive effort to coordinate network or align w/ resources & formal learning" #lrnchat
05:00:08 pm LandDDave: Q1) Not fostering an environment in which learning can be put into practice. #lrnchat
05:00:09 pm nmeffert: Q1) Malpractice = anything that tries to replace genius with mediocrity. Not only learning malpractice – it's a human crime. #lrnchat
05:00:19 pm julieannf: RT @derekwwade: Pushing slides of bullet-points onto adult learners << ooo, yes and then talking over them whilst they try to read #lrnchat
05:00:22 pm dtssmithers: RT @sifowler re informal learning, "no cohesive effort to coordinate network or align w/ resources & formal learning" @quinnovator #lrnchat
05:00:27 pm c4lpt: Q1) not recognizing that helping people to become self-sufficient is good practice #lrnchat
05:00:28 pm dtssmithers: RT @: Q1) Belittling learners with phrases like "Let's play a game". #lrnchat #lrnchat
05:00:35 pm myFootpath: Not wanting to invest in learning/not seeing it as an investment and therefore necessary expense/use of itme. #lrnchat
05:00:39 pm elearningmatt: RT @charlesjennings: Q1) believing that knowledge test pass=learning. Kw test pass=good short-term memory ONLY #lrnchat
05:00:42 pm souzifrancis: Q1) only thinking that Level 1 eval suffices #lrnchat🙂
05:00:47 pm sifowler: Q1) malpractice: allowing learners to avoid Critical Reflection before, during, or after the learning event #lrnchat
05:00:49 pm dtssmithers: RT @robertbrogan@souzifrancis: Q1) Dis-couraging informal learning via policies // may I add against SoMe #lrnchat
05:00:50 pm LandDDave: Q1) Any activity that doesn't pass the 'relevant' test. #lrnchat
05:00:52 pm LuminaFound: RT @olliegardener Not connecting with learners' on-the-job reality is learning malpractice #lrnchat #highered #edreform #adultlearners
05:00:55 pm olliegardener: RT @c4lpt: Q1) not recognizing that helping people to become self-sufficient is good practice #lrnchat
05:01:06 pm souzifrancis: LOVE IT! @C4LPT Q1) not recognizing that helping people to become self-sufficient is good practice #lrnchat
05:01:12 pm LuminaFound: RT @TWells: RT @TWells: Q1) Completing training & then not applying wt they learned in the workplace (there may be no opportunities). #lrnchat
05:01:15 pm nmeffert: Q1) Let me rephrase: anything that results in the replacement of genius with mediocrity. #lrnchat
05:01:17 pm srleosalazar: RT @LandDDave: Q1) Not fostering an environment in which learning can be put into practice < totally agree! Often organizations feel that a bunch of PP slides = learning…FAIL🙂 #lrnchat
05:01:58 pm robertbrogan: Q1) Providing no access to knowledge experts – pre- & post training #lrnchat
05:02:06 pm theteachinggame: Q1) learning malpractice-not remembering that learning CAN be playful and still useful #lrnchat
05:02:06 pm dtssmithers: RT @myFootpath: Using learning like a security blanket to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy, but not enacting change. #lrnchat #lrnchat
05:02:07 pm ckagy: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:08 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:10 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:11 pm JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:12 pm eshwaranv: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:14 pm charlesjennings: RT @julieannf: Q1) Believing in your happy sheets. LOL!!! the ultimate self-delusion! #lrnchat
05:02:14 pm myFootpath: RT @lrnchat Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:17 pm fredsheahan: RT @sifowler: Q1) malpractice: allowing learners to avoid Critical Reflection before, during, or after the learning event #lrnchat
05:02:21 pm elearningmatt: RT guilty of this myself until recently @c4lpt: Q1) not recognizing that helping people to become self-sufficient is good practice #lrnchat
05:02:25 pm srleosalazar: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:30 pm sahana2802: RT @sifowler: Q1) malpractice: allowing learners to avoid Critical Reflection before, during, or after the learning event #lrnchat
05:02:38 pm sahana2802: RT @JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:43 pm tadams_InMind: @souzifrancis Q1) only thinking that Level 1 eval suffices #lrnchat🙂 Did you know people are satisfied with only L1 – overrated!
05:02:49 pm olliegardener: Q) Not realizing that “the mind is not a vessel that needs filling, but wood that needs igniting”. Plutarch, Greek philosopher #lrnchat
05:02:49 pm fredsheahan: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:49 pm 2GFred: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:02:57 pm souzifrancis: @dtssmithers YES, that is so true…#SoMe is a perfect example of that discouraging informal learning😦 #lrnchat
05:02:58 pm sifowler: if knowledge & performance is In The Network, then ‘self-sufficiency’ is not perhaps the ultimate goal? @souzifrancis @C4LPT #lrnchat
05:03:11 pm eshwaranv: Q2) Understanding that everyone is a learner. #lrnchat
05:03:20 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:03:21 pm lress: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:03:26 pm LandDDave: @srleosalazar Not much of the environment is in our control. We need 2 factor that into design and continue to break down walls. #lrnchat
05:03:36 pm souzifrancis: Perfect🙂 RT @myFootpath:Using learning like a security blanket to make everyone feel all warm and fuzzy, but not enacting change. #lrnchat
05:03:46 pm eshwaranv: Q2) “Listen” to the learner #lrnchat
05:03:55 pm derekwwade: Q2. Remedy to learning malpractice: ensure educators/trainers know what learning IS. #lrnchat
05:04:03 pm derekwwade: Q2. Def’n of “learning” I was taught as a flight instructor: “a change in behavior as a result of experience.” #lrnchat
05:04:10 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice ? #lrnchat
05:04:12 pm WasimB1: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:04:15 pm elearningmatt: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:04:16 pm 2GFred: Q2) Honest, timely evaluations of session/instructor/tools & action plan for improvement. #lrnchat
05:04:22 pm souzifrancis: Q1) believing that employees can only learn via classroom setting ONLY #lrnchat
05:04:33 pm robertbrogan: Q20 Accessibiity to tools, experts and resources to solve real-time business issues #lrnchat #interactyx
05:04:38 pm JudithELS: Q2) It’s about getting through to those who perpetuate these learning malpractices. #lrnchat
05:04:40 pm sahana2802: 2 Design “learnscapes” tht allow learners 2 pull relevant info just in time, in just the right amount & has tools for collaboration #lrnchat
05:04:40 pm torriedunlap: Q2) Aligning training programs to evidence-based industry standards, like IACET. #lrnchat
05:04:45 pm dtssmithers: Q1) Creating a Learning Org = Constantly developing others, working self out of a job, training others = job security #lrnchat
05:04:48 pm myFootpath: Q2: First, ask learners what they want/need to learn. Especially in corporate training, u can’t assume u know what they need. #lrnchat
05:04:49 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) Access to company knowledge base (and similar sources) to facilitate “informal” & “pull” learning #lrnchat
05:04:50 pm sifowler: Q2) include ‘learning’ as a mindset and relational goal, not a space/time/expert-bound event #lrnchat
05:04:52 pm srleosalazar: Q2) remedies to learning malpractice? << involving line management in training design – directly! Not through HR (w/all respect) #lrnchat
05:05:05 pm TWells: RT @olliegardener: Q1) Failing to include and engage learners in each others learning and development. #lrnchat
05:05:09 pm souzifrancis: Q2) having great champions of learning to discourage learning malpractice! #lrnchat
05:05:10 pm nancyrubin: RT @sahana2802: 2 Design "learnscapes" tht allow learners 2 pull relevant info just in time, in just the right amount & has tools for collaboration #lrnchat
05:05:12 pm ckagy: Q2) Probe, probe, probe. Confirm that there is a problem at hand that can be addresed by learning #lrnchat
05:05:17 pm olliegardener: q2. Involve learners in the support of other learners. #lrnchat
05:05:21 pm sifowler: RT @kelly_smith01: Q2) Access to company knowledge base (and similar sources) to facilitate "informal" & "pull" learning #lrnchat
05:05:26 pm c4lpt: Q2) rethink the traditional approach to training, and seize the opportunity to do things differently #lrnchat
05:05:27 pm LandDDave: Q2) Focus on what people should DO differently as a result of training. Anything that doesn't support that gets cut. #lrnchat
05:05:32 pm simbeckhampson: Q2) Start: What is learnt through work must have tangible benefits for both the individual and the organisation. #lrnchat
05:05:36 pm sahana2802: Q2. Provide tools that allow learners/users to add context and make the information meaningful, decision-enabling. #lrnchat
05:05:37 pm elearningmatt: RT @souzifrancis: Q1) believing that employees can only learn via classroom setting ONLY #lrnchat
05:05:37 pm myFootpath: Q2: Ask learners/trainees what day/time/schedule works best for them, rather than dictating it to them. #lrnchat
05:05:50 pm derekwwade: RT sahana2802 Design "learnscapes" tht allow learners 2 pull relevant info J.I.T., in just right amount, has tools for collab #lrnchat
05:05:53 pm souzifrancis: Q2) in many cases, only cultural & mindset changes can correct😦 #lrnchat
05:05:59 pm myFootpath: Yes!! RT @olliegardener q2. Involve learners in the support of other learners. #lrnchat
05:06:03 pm eshwaranv: Q2) Evaluate yourself before evaluating the learner #lrnchat
05:06:12 pm srleosalazar: RT @olliegardener: q2. Involve learners in the support of other learners. <<> yes, set goals be4hand! #lrnchat
05:07:05 pm 2GFred: @derekwwade I like that word “learnscapes” #lrnchat
05:07:06 pm robertbrogan: @kelly_smith01: Q2) Access to company knowledge base (and similar sources) to facilitate “informal” & “pull” learning #lrnchat #interactyx
05:07:13 pm derekwwade: Q2. Reducing learning malpractice: Give more opportunities 4 learners to DO, rather than read/hear. “Practice makes permanent.” #lrnchat
05:07:18 pm sifowler: agreed RT @c4lpt: @sifowler doesnt exclude working with others and might be self sufficient teams #lrnchat
05:07:24 pm nancyrubin: RT @simbeckhampson: Q2) Start: What is learnt through work must have tangible benefits for both the individual and the organisation. #lrnchat
05:07:25 pm ckagy: Q2) make learning ubiquitous #lrnchat
05:07:30 pm julieannf: RT @c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:07:32 pm WasimB1: Well said .. RT @olliegardener: q2. Involve learners in the support of other learners. #lrnchat
05:07:35 pm fredsheahan: Q2) Transition from instructor->learner hierarchical control approaches & take advantage of network learning #lrnchat
05:07:46 pm charlesjennings: #lrnchat Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice?
05:07:48 pm dtssmithers: Q1, Assuming learners will apply the theory to their individual practice or work environments w/o support & follow-up. #lrnchat
05:07:51 pm olliegardener: RT @nancyrubin: Q2) Create networks of users who mentor each other. Learning is ongoing and can take place when needed #lrnchat
05:07:54 pm TWells: Invert for my answer to Q2) RT @nancyrubin: Q1) Not creating an environmt where learning is an ongoing process instead of an event. #lrnchat
05:07:58 pm elearningmatt: Q2) Educating all players what learning actually is, not just their perception of what it is. And backing it up in practice #lrnchat
05:08:01 pm srleosalazar: RT @souzifrancis: Q2) understanding that everyone learns differently!<<learner hierarchical control approaches & take advantage of network learning #lrnchat
05:08:15 pm dtssmithers: RT @nancyrubin: Q1) Not creating an environment where learning is an ongoing process instead of an event. #lrnchat // Amen! #lrnchat
05:08:16 pm sifowler: Q2) Observe Forum Corps six Principles of Workplace Learning! #lrnchat
05:08:25 pm myFootpath: Q2: have a clear follow up plan of how the training/learning will be implemented and continued afterwards. #lrnchat
05:08:26 pm souzifrancis: @ckagy I agree…but I think to confirm a problem at hand, being HONEST is first required to make it come to light! #lrnchat
05:08:36 pm tadams_InMind: @olliegardener q2. Involve learners in the support of other learners. #lrnchat – biggest issue I have encountered is misconception!
05:08:41 pm LandDDave: Q2) Shift gears in some way every 7-10 minutes. #lrnchat
05:08:45 pm derekwwade: RT @eshwaranv: Q2) Evaluate yourself b4 evaluating learner << YES! "Know facts=knowledge, know self=enlightenment" #lrnchat
05:08:55 pm myFootpath: @sifowler Well played! Do you have a link you can send? #lrnchat
05:08:56 pm simbeckhampson: Q2) Enable learning to occur 'JIT' using technology, make it goal specific and follow up with spaced repetition. #lrnchat
05:09:00 pm sifowler: ha! RT @charlesjennings Q2) remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:09:03 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) Present learning and learning practice in context w/business cases & “real world” examples #lrnchat
05:09:08 pm eshwaranv: RT @LandDDave: Q2) Shift gears in some way every 7-10 minutes. #lrnchat
05:09:08 pm souzifrancis: @srLeoSalazar Yep, directly involving line managers is true…cut out the middle man #lrnchat
05:09:14 pm TWells: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What is/are the remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:09:22 pm srleosalazar: RT @souzifrancis: Q2) everyone learns differently!<<> great point, keeps people engaged/not sleeping! #lrnchat
05:09:51 pm TWells: RT @theteachinggame: Q1) learning malpractice-not remembering that learning CAN be playful and still useful #lrnchat
05:10:03 pm sahana2802: RT @charlesjennings Q2) remedies to learning malpractice? #lrnchat
05:10:06 pm dtssmithers: RT @derekwwade making training “one-way” // we need to do better job of training trainers teaching them facilitation skills! #lrnchat
05:10:44 pm WasimB1: RT @srLeoSalazar: Q2) remedies to learning malpractice? << involving line management in training design – directly! Not through HR #lrnchat
05:10:53 pm myFootpath: @LandDDave Isn't there a stat about that — that people's attention/listening span is (on average) 3 minutes? #lrnchat
05:10:55 pm olliegardener: q2) Treating each learner as an individual – connecting with their drive and motivation to learn and add value to the org #lrnchat
05:11:11 pm souzifrancis: Couldn't say it better! RT @DerekWWade Q2. Give more opp 4 learners to DO, rather than read/hear. "Practice makes permanent." #lrnchat
05:11:15 pm ckagy: RT @simbeckhampson: Q2) Enable learning to occur 'JIT' using technology. #lrnchat performance path. #lrnchat
05:11:39 pm theteachinggame: @petersonandrew no I’m having deja vu. Last week was learning traps. It just seemed similar. #lrnchat
05:11:42 pm srleosalazar: @myFootpath “people’s attention/listening span is (on average) 3 minutes” Huh? What was the question? #lrnchat
05:11:51 pm olliegardener: Q2) Shift focus from delivering to facilitating/enabling #lrnchat
05:11:54 pm eshwaranv: Good one! RT @LandDDave: Q2) Leverage new technology for learning; don’t adapt learning for new technology. #lrnchat
05:11:59 pm myFootpath: RT @olliegardener q2) Treating each learner as an individual, connect w/their drive and motivation to learn/add value 2 the org #lrnchat
05:12:01 pm LandDDave: @myFootpath Yes, I believe there is a start about short attention sp… wait, what was your question again?🙂 #lrnchat
05:12:03 pm dtssmithers: RT @souzifrancis only thinking that Level 1 eval suffices. // Well don’t we just want our learners to feel good? #newagelearning #lrnchat
05:12:06 pm olliegardener: RT @DerekWWade Q2. Give more opp 4 learners to DO, rather than read/hear. “Practice makes permanent.” #lrnchat
05:12:15 pm simbeckhampson: Q2) To the CEO: New ways of learning = Mindset Change = Fear = Doubt = Head-in-Sand = Disruption = Out of Business #lrnchat
05:12:20 pm eshwaranv: RT @theteachinggame: @petersonandrew no I’m having deja vu. Last week was learning traps. It just seemed similar. #lrnchat
05:12:28 pm srleosalazar: RT @LandDDave: Q2) Leverage new technology for learning; dont adapt learning for new technology.<<< my favorite word: "leverage" #lrnchat
05:12:30 pm fredsheahan: Q2) Guide SMEs into learning approaches that mirror their existing professional work. Keep it familiar. #lrnchat
05:12:34 pm olliegardener: Spot on!!! RT @LandDDave: Q2) Leverage new technology for learning; dont adapt learning for new technology. #lrnchat
05:12:53 pm JudithELS: RT @olliegardener: q2) Treating learners as individuals – connecting with their drive & motivation to learn & add value to the org #lrnchat
05:12:53 pm sahana2802: RT @simbeckhampson: Q2) Enable learning to occur 'JIT' using technology, make it goal specific and follow up with spaced repetition #lrnchat
05:12:58 pm c4lpt: Q2) avoid the word "learners" and start treating them as workers; that way can avoid trap of thinking "learning" is the end goal #lrnchat
05:12:58 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) Give control to learner – for example: time and place, repeating practice, post-learning event practice #lrnchat
05:13:00 pm julieannf: RT @olliegardener: RT @DerekWWade Q2. Give more opp 4 learners to DO, rather than read/hear. "Practice makes permanent." #lrnchat
05:13:06 pm WasimB1: RT @olliegardener: Spot on!!! RT @LandDDave: Q2) Leverage new technology for learning; dont adapt learning for new technology. #lrnchat
05:13:09 pm souzifrancis: @srLeoSalazar Good point…good trainers understand learning styles & the need for learner analysis🙂 #lrnchat
05:13:21 pm nmeffert: Q2) Teach problem solving and leadership. #LRNCHAT
05:13:30 pm myFootpath: @LandDDave RE your g8 point about switching up teaching styles ever 7 minutes, works w/short attention spans CC@srleosalazar #lrnchat
05:13:36 pm sifowler: hmmm not sure about that RT @olliegardener: @LandDDave: Q2) Leverage new tech for learning; dont adapt learning for new technology. #lrnchat
05:13:44 pm lress: RT @olliegardener: q2. Involve learners in the support of other learners. #lrnchat
05:13:50 pm srleosalazar: RT @fredsheahan: Q2) Keep it familiar. <<< another differentiating factor: requires industry knowledge. #lrnchat
05:13:58 pm robertbrogan: On the spot!!!RT @LandDDave: Q2) Leverage new technology for learning; don't adapt learning for new technology. #lrnchat
05:13:58 pm simbeckhampson: @ckagy Yes, that's good… keeping it relevant, in context, on-time and in real-time #lrnchat
05:14:06 pm ckagy: RT @olliegardener: Spot on!!! RT @LandDDave: Q2) Leverage new technology for learning; dont adapt learning for new technology. #lrnchat
05:14:08 pm derekwwade: @eshwaranv Q2. Good point. Maybe we can give EXAMPLES of "malpractice turned into good practice"?
#lrnchat
05:14:09 pm LandDDave: RT @c4lpt: Q2) avoid the word "learners" and start treating them as workers; << I like using 'performers' as well. #lrnchat
05:14:09 pm olliegardener: @tadams_InMind Misconception? Sorry could you give an example. Not sure I follow. Cheers,
Ollie #lrnchat
05:14:12 pm nmeffert: @c4lpt Workers are extinct. We need a new word. Maybe humans. #LRNCHAT
05:14:25 pm dtssmithers: Q1- Learning Malpractice: Any training that takes place without good Analysis & Need & potential ROI. Training 4 training sake. #lrnchat
05:14:30 pm sifowler: yes! RT @c4lpt: Q2) avoid word "learners", start treating them as workers; so we can avoid trap of thinking "learning" is end goal #lrnchat
05:14:33 pm myFootpath: @LandDDave @srLeoSalazar Hope the way I explained that made sense! #lrnchat
05:14:40 pm simbeckhampson: RT @olliegardener: q2. Involve learners in the support of other learners < Social Learning – totally agree – sharing knowledge #lrnchat
05:14:59 pm c4lpt: RT @nmeffert: @c4lpt Workers are extinct. We need a new word. Maybe humans. #LRNCHAT
05:15:03 pm julieannf: Q2) Hire quality teachers. These days everyone who uses a PC thinks they are an expert – they aren't experts in learning! #lrnchat
05:15:05 pm c4lpt: RT @LandDDave: RT @c4lpt: Q2) avoid the word "learners" and start treating them as workers; << I like using 'performers' as well. #lrnchat
05:15:09 pm WasimB1: RT @LandDDave: RT @c4lpt: Q2) avoid the word "learners" and start treating them as workers; << I like using 'performers' as well. #lrnchat
05:15:15 pm eshwaranv: @derekwwade Yes! I'm sure a lot of us must have seen and experienced this. #lrnchat
05:15:19 pm sahana2802: @DerekWWade "Learnscape" is a term invented by @jaycross to describe the learners' lrng ecology in the workplace. #lrnchat Not mine!
05:15:36 pm LandDDave: @sifowler It was in reference to not implementing a new technology for learning uless it enhances the learning expereince. #lrnchat
05:15:39 pm myFootpath: Great point! We still apply industrial models to "thought" workers RT @nmeffert @c4lpt Workers are extinct. We need a new word. #lrnchat
05:15:44 pm sifowler: we've really struggled finding a good alternative word for "learners" that we can use with HR/L&D @LandDDave @c4lpt #lrnchat
05:15:46 pm robertbrogan: Address real business problems with this approach – RT @nmeffert: Q2) Teach problem solving and leadership. #LRNCHAT
05:16:17 pm sahana2802: RT @C4LPT: Q2 avoid the word "learners" & start treating them as workers; tht way can avoid trap of thinking "learning" is end goal #lrnchat
05:16:17 pm nmeffert: @sifowler I'm telling you. It's "humans". #LRNCHAT
05:16:26 pm simbeckhampson: @c4lpt re: term Learners < Agree… learning is a scary word (Jay mentioned that too…) may need to change my title😮 #lrnchat
05:16:27 pm lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:16:31 pm derekwwade: @sifowler @c4lpt Disagree that "learners" is a bad word. I like other sugg'n of "humans." We R many things, sometimes learners.🙂 #lrnchat
05:16:50 pm theteachinggame: RT @nmeffert: @sifowler Im telling you. Its "humans". #lrnchat
05:16:53 pm eshwaranv: Connect theory with practice. That should axe down a lot of irrelevant and outdated material. #lrnchat
05:16:56 pm sahana2802: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:16:57 pm sifowler: gotcha RT @LandDDave: @sifowler was in reference to not implementing a new tech 4 learning unless it enhances learning expereince. #lrnchat
05:17:07 pm simbeckhampson: @ckagy …and then have the tools and support to solve it = success = motivation = improvement to the bottom line (easy-peasy) #lrnchat
05:17:14 pm 2GFred: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:17:24 pm sahana2802: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:17:26 pm myFootpath: RT @lrnchat Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:17:27 pm c4lpt: @sifowler what else are they called in the org – employees, staff, people #lrnchat
05:17:30 pm fredsheahan: @srLeoSalazar Exactly. Like any design Information Architect, ID's need to delve deep into the subject matter. #lrnchat
05:17:31 pm gjcannon: Q3) Good learning = postitive impact on behaviour and performance #lrnchat
05:17:32 pm ckagy: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:17:36 pm srleosalazar: RT @sifowler: a good alternative word for "learners" <<< perhaps "colleagues"? Puts us all on the same level. #lrnchat
05:17:40 pm eshwaranv: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:17:45 pm TWells: @LandDDave Like the idea of using the word "performers" for learners. #lrnchat
05:17:50 pm WasimB1: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:17:51 pm srleosalazar: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:17:55 pm fredsheahan: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:18:02 pm simbeckhampson: Q3) Learners tell other learners how wonderful it is and they smile allot – ask Google employees… #lrnchat
05:18:10 pm tadams_InMind: @nmeffert @c4lpt @c4lpt Workers are extinct. We need a new word. Maybe humans. #LRNCHAT maybe thinkers and doers? Value the human capital!
05:18:17 pm langholloman: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:18:20 pm lress: RT @lrnchat Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:18:22 pm nmeffert: Q3) Good learning turns people into problem solvers and leaders. Bad learning turns people into drones. #LRNCHAT
05:18:31 pm TWells: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the "good"? #lrnchat
05:18:32 pm gjcannon: Q3) Good learning = characterised by permanence #lrnchat
05:18:34 pm julieannf: RT @sifowler: we've really struggled finding a good alternative word for "learners" @LandDDave @c4lpt <good practice: trainer shifting from sequential slides 2 letting class nav/discuss their own path thru it #lrnchat
05:19:23 pm WasimB1: Q3) Good learning can be achieved when it is Applied post-learning. #lrnchat
05:19:23 pm LandDDave: How about instead of workers we call them ‘Human Capital towards Kirkpatrick Level 3’🙂 #lrnchat
05:19:24 pm myFootpath: RT @eshwaranv Q3) Learners emerging as performers. #lrnchat
05:19:27 pm olliegardener: @sifowler Lrn should be enabled by tech. New learning patterns occur as a result of tech. But adapting learning to suit tech?? #lrnchat
05:19:31 pm nmeffert: @tadams_InMind @nmeffert @c4lpt @c4lpt Human beings, thinkings, and doings. #LRNCHAT
05:19:47 pm tadams_InMind: @myFootpath RT @lrnchat Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and #lrnchat – does it improve their performance & business
05:19:47 pm derekwwade: @sifowler Problem w/ “learner” is that it’s functional.🙂 #lrnchat
05:19:48 pm 2GFred: Q3) Good = effective. #lrnchat
05:19:52 pm briggzay: Q2) remember that technology/learning/training/organizations/work each affect the other (no one-way causality) #lrnchat
05:19:54 pm elearningmatt: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
05:19:55 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
05:19:56 pm mik3yv: RT @nmeffert: Q3) Good learning turns people into problem solvers and leaders. Bad learning turns people into drones. #lrnchat
05:20:00 pm simbeckhampson: RT @TWells: @LandDDave Like the idea of using the word “performers” for learners. > and actively applying new concepts to the workplace. #lrnchat
05:21:11 pm dtssmithers: I believe I missed Q2, can someone plz RT Q2. Thanks! #lrnchat
05:21:12 pm elearningmatt: Q3) Good learning motivates you to put it into practise #lrnchat
05:21:28 pm JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
05:21:30 pm derekwwade: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
05:21:43 pm ckagy: q3) good learning improves the workplace performance and environment #lrnchat
05:21:47 pm nmeffert: Q3) Tracks are all that matter. The current system’s tracks: drones, environmental destruction, economic collapse. Problem. #LRNCHAT
05:21:47 pm TWells: RT @eshwaranv: Q3) Learners emerging as performers. #lrnchat
05:21:48 pm dtssmithers: One thing that my org does is that we hide learning obj only presenting performance obj keeping the learning obj in the design docs #lrnchat
05:21:48 pm 2GFred: RT @myFootpath: Q3: Good learning lets people feel confident in utilizing a concept, technology, program they were afraid of b4. #lrnchat
05:21:55 pm c4lpt: @bhwilkoff In org sense it is a means to an end, not the end itself #lrnchat
05:21:58 pm simbeckhampson: @c4lpt So now I need to think of a new word for ‘Learn’ – this will keep me busy for days or a crowdsource project perhaps😉 #lrnchat
05:21:59 pm souzifrancis: @theteachinggame Good Point!🙂 #lrnchat
05:22:02 pm derekwwade: Q3. Good learning: students tell others “great class.” #lrnchat
05:22:15 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat good learning is a deep understanding, bad learning is knowing that CC sailed across the ocean in 1492.
05:22:20 pm olliegardener: @sifowler And that I would agree with..🙂 #lrnchat
05:22:21 pm dtssmithers: Q3) GOOD = effective = measurable ROI! #lrnchat
05:22:22 pm TWells: RT @ckagy: Q3) Good = it gets applied and used! #lrnchat
05:22:23 pm julieannf: Q3) When they start using what you’ve taught them. #lrnchat
05:22:30 pm derekwwade: Q3. Great learning: students behavior changes such that their lives/work/self are improved. #lrnchat
05:22:46 pm eshwaranv: RT @derekwwade: Q3. Good learning: students tell others “great class.” #lrnchat
05:22:47 pm myFootpath: RT @derekwwade Q3. Good learning: students tell others “great class.” >> Yes, and then the good learning spreads! Love it! #lrnchat
05:22:56 pm c4lpt: Q3) in an org whether the people can now do their jobs better (however that has been defined) #lrnchat
05:22:57 pm ckagy: q3) good learning isn’t planned in isolation of the workplace and is part of greater initiatives #lrnchat
05:23:00 pm nmeffert: Q3) Good education should leave tracks of environmental regeneration, genius, and prosperity. #LRNCHAT
05:23:00 pm derekwwade: Q3. Exceptional learning: student teach others such that others lives/work/self are improved🙂 #lrnchat
05:23:05 pm TWells: LOL! RT @LandDDave: How about instead of workers we call them ‘Human Capital towards Kirkpatrick Level 3’🙂 #lrnchat
05:23:08 pm cpjobling: Nothing to contribute this week so signing off … see you next week p’haps #lrnchat
05:23:08 pm jpapakalos: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite – what distinguishes the “good”? #lrnchat
05:23:10 pm bschlenker: Q3) GREAT learning is transparent – Its just happening all the time! #lrnchat
05:23:10 pm simbeckhampson: @lress Not sure if Happy sheets are hip… anyone? Was thinking more in human terms of spreading the message (by the water cooler) #lrnchat
05:23:10 pm myFootpath: Question: if it’s not “good,” can it really be considered learning? #lrnchat
05:23:12 pm sifowler: Q3) good learning? well, there’s intended performance-, unintended innovation-, and intended/unintended relational- “good” #lrnchat
05:23:16 pm dawnjmahoney: #lrnchat Q1) nothing has changed
05:23:21 pm 2GFred: @myFootpath Perhaps “confident” is really “brave enough” to use the learning. #lrnchat
05:23:31 pm ckagy: RT @derekwwade: Q3. Good learning: students tell others “great class.” #lrnchat “transfer to performance”; Great learning -> innovation #lrnchat
05:25:43 pm souzifrancis: Q3) good learning for me is having “ah ha” moments🙂 #lrnchat
05:25:44 pm charlesjennings: #lrnchat Q3)How do we know the difference between good learning and its opposite?
05:25:48 pm sifowler: @myFootpath will look for Principles of Workplace Learning link and will send, or I’ll send you the doc directly #lrnchat
05:25:50 pm JudithELS: Q3) Good learning is not tagged, labelled, categorized. #lrnchat
05:25:53 pm LandDDave: Q3) Requirement for Good Learning: Relevance to both the learner and organization. #lrnchat
05:25:56 pm simbeckhampson: @c4lpt I guess it’s not easy, it would even effect lrnchat – ie. it would become simply ‘chat’ – lol #lrnchat
05:25:58 pm chrisstjohn: Learning is not an event. It happens all the time, every day. #lrnchat
05:26:06 pm bhwilkoff: @C4LPT The process of learning is writing, connecting, and producing. If learning isn’t the end, then you will never get “work” #lrnchat
05:26:23 pm derekwwade: RT @sahana2802: Q3: Good lrng gives confidence, helps talent retention << Benefit of "great class" even if mediocre content #lrnchat
05:26:32 pm CreativeSage: RT @cybraryman1 Thur. Chats #onecom #innochat #SAchat #elemchat #artsed #mathchat #lrnchat #ukedchat http://bit.ly/amR5R2 #HBRchat #innochat
05:26:32 pm eshwaranv: Good learning = Proper practical application #lrnchat
05:26:42 pm c4lpt: Q3) in a personal sense for me good learning is when I am not even aware of it happening as it does everyday #lrnchat
05:26:45 pm JudithELS: Q3) Good learning is enjoyable, transferable & rewarding. #lrnchat
05:26:49 pm srleosalazar: Q3) Great learning = change. #lrnchat
05:26:55 pm derekwwade: Q3. Merely "good" learning — at very least — encourages learners to keep learning. #lrnchat
05:26:58 pm simbeckhampson: RT @charlesjennings "when learners own their development and behaviour change" = autonomy (scary word for CEO's) #lrnchat
05:27:05 pm dtssmithers: Fact of the matter is that we are all learners no matter what else we call ourselves or others. #lrnchat
05:27:13 pm 2GFred: RT @eshwaranv: Good learning = Proper practical application #lrnchat
05:27:14 pm ckagy: RT @souzifrancis: Q3) good learning for me is having "ah ha" moments🙂 #lrnchat < Oh I LOVE those!
05:27:16 pm olliegardener: q3) Good learning: creates engagement and confidence. Evolves and spreads through social interaction on the job #lrnchat
05:27:17 pm sparkandco: Q3) Learning is contextual, so not a simple answer for me #lrnchat
05:27:20 pm myFootpath: RT @srleosalazar Q3) Great learning = change. #lrnchat
05:27:20 pm 2GFred: RT @JudithELS: Q3) Good learning is enjoyable, transferable & rewarding. #lrnchat
05:27:25 pm bschlenker: RT @c4lpt: Q3) in a personal sense for me good learning is when I am not even aware of it happening as it does everyday #lrnchat
05:27:32 pm simbeckhampson: @srleosalazar = positive change #lrnchat
05:27:37 pm tadams_InMind: @olliegardener Misconception? Sorry could you give an example. #lrnchat confidence in knowledge that leads to action but iwrong = mistakes!
05:27:39 pm c4lpt: RT @jonhusband: @simbeckhampson @c4lpt So now I need to think of a new word for 'Learn' “transfer to performance”; Great learning -> innovation #lrnchat
05:27:56 pm dtssmithers: In a learning org, learners is a great word! In other orgs, performers may be better esp since you cannot perform if you dont learn #lrnchat
05:28:11 pm myFootpath: @sifowler That would be great! Thanks so much! #lrnchat
05:28:24 pm jonhusband: RT @simbeckhampson: RT @charlesjennings “when learners own their development and behaviour change” = autonomy (scary word for CEO’s) #lrnchat
05:28:35 pm azjd: RT @cybraryman1: Q3 “If children cannot learn the way we teach, we must teach the way children learn.” #lrnchat
05:28:45 pm dtssmithers: Plus, not all people have the same motivation towards learning. Some are theoretical learners while others are practical learners. #lrnchat
05:29:10 pm srleosalazar: RT @simbeckhampson: positive, constructive, sustainable, etc. Success is hearing from a former participant who’s made change. #lrnchat
05:29:27 pm derekwwade: “Gives confidence,” “spreads the learning,” “creates change,” & “is ongoing” given as popular attributes of “good learning” in #lrnchat
05:29:31 pm myFootpath: @c4lpt @jonhusband: @simbeckhampson New word for learning = evolving? #lrnchat
05:29:41 pm sparkandco: RT @dtssmithers: not all people have the same motivation. Some are theoretical learners while others are practical learners. Agree #lrnchat
05:29:43 pm dtssmithers: Theoretical learners = love to learn. They always leave the bookstore w/ more books; have more books than they can read. #lrnchat
05:29:44 pm bschlenker: RT @azjd: RT @cybraryman1: Q3 “If children cannot learn the way we teach, we must teach the way children learn.” #lrnchat
05:29:46 pm eshwaranv: @dtssmithers Yes. It’s in bringing the theoretical learners to the practical mode that makes great learning. #lrnchat
05:29:49 pm souzifrancis: RT @charlesjennings Q3) when learners own their development and behaviour change #lrnchat
05:30:03 pm olliegardener: @tadams_InMind learning socially + knowledge sharing exposes misunderstandings and misconceptions earlier = opportunity to correct #lrnchat
05:30:03 pm LandDDave: Q3) My favorite learning moments are when I pull something from my mind or do something that I wasn’t aware I learned. #lrnchat
05:30:05 pm derekwwade: RT @myFootpath: @c4lpt @jonhusband: @simbeckhampson New word for learning = evolving? << Oh SNAP!! #lrnchat
05:30:08 pm MichelleLavoie: Q3 for learning to be 'good' it must be evidenced outside the learning environment #lrnchat (sorry to drop in)
05:30:16 pm simbeckhampson: @jonhusband @C4LPT < Might be onto something there Jon… erm, so we could have the phrase iWork – hey, I like that – an iWorker #lrnchat
05:30:19 pm sifowler: @myFootpath actually, there's a summary on slide 4 http://www.forum.com/blog/2010/06/17/whats-new-in-workplace-learning/ #lrnchat
05:30:21 pm julieannf: RT @JudithELS: Q3) Good learning is enjoyable, transferable & rewarding. #lrnchat < I learn alot from painful experiences too
05:31:30 pm dtssmithers: The nonlearner simply either doesn’t learn, learns very very little for whatever reason (other than LD) just to “pass” the course. #lrnchat
05:31:52 pm TWells: RT @olliegardener: q3) Good learning: creates engagement and confidence. Evolves and spreads through social interaction on the job #lrnchat
05:31:58 pm nmeffert: Q3) Teaching/learning has to RESULT in something real, tangible and positive for earth, people, and economy. Otherwise, abandon it. #LRNCHAT
05:32:11 pm sparkandco: RT @TWells: RT @JudithELS: Q3) Good learning is enjoyable, transferable & rewarding. > I learn alot from painful experiences too #lrnchat
05:32:17 pm sifowler: how or when would the value of that unintended learning have been ‘measured’? RT @LandDDave: Q3) My fav learning moments #lrnchat
05:32:18 pm tadams_InMind: @olliegardener opportunity to correct #lrnchat have been working on research and tech in this area – problem is plaqued with guesswork!
05:32:18 pm derekwwade: RT @jonhusband RT @charlesjennings “when learners own their development and behaviour change” = autonomy (scary word for CEOs) #lrnchat
05:32:30 pm lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:32:41 pm elearningmatt: RT @olliegardener: q3) Good learning: creates engagement and confidence. Evolves and spreads through social interaction on the job #lrnchat
05:32:46 pm LandDDave: Q3) The EGO problem: Bad Learning is what the OTHER trainers are doing. #lrnchat
05:32:50 pm jpapakalos: RT @robertbrogan: RT @eshwaranv: Good learning = Proper practical application & improved results #lrnchat
05:32:57 pm simbeckhampson: iWorkers work for themselves at the cost & benefit of those employing them – an iWork Consultant…Mmm… #lrnchat
05:32:59 pm charlesjennings: Q3) Good learning – can’t go past @danielpink – when it’s supporting autonomy, mastery and purpose – and is wrapped in context…. #lrnchat
05:33:00 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:01 pm eshwaranv: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:07 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:07 pm sparkandco: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:07 pm JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:15 pm myFootpath: RT @lrnchat Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:21 pm srleosalazar: RT @sparkandco: I learn alot from painful experiences too << Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:41 pm 2GFred: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:47 pm jpapakalos: RT @myFootpath: RT @lrnchat Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:49 pm ckagy: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:33:57 pm c4lpt: @simbeckhampson What about weWorkers too😉 #lrnchat
05:33:59 pm dtssmithers: RT @lress: #lrnchat Good learning: depends on the learning goal and who is asking the question #lrnchat
05:34:10 pm myFootpath: Q4: It can be difficult to do, but you have to prove the ROI. #lrnchat
05:34:15 pm elearningmatt: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:34:16 pm srleosalazar: RT @charlesjennings: Q3) @danielpink – when it’s supporting autonomy, mastery and purpose – and is wrapped in context…. #lrnchat
05:34:20 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:34:20 pm LandDDave: @sifowler Hard to say.. For my personal growth, I’m not always focused on the measurements. #lrnchat
05:34:24 pm jpapakalos: Q4) Show stakeholders the difference between a well trained employee and one that is not. #lrnchat
05:34:33 pm tadams_InMind: @olliegardener opportunity to correct #lrnchat problem is plaqued with guesswork! that is until uncovered! Costly mistakes happen!
05:34:36 pm robertbrogan: Tie the learning objectives to your stakeholders objectives #lrnchat
05:34:40 pm eshwaranv: Q4) Stakeholders care about the results and numbers… Show them. #lrnchat
05:34:44 pm sparkandco: Q4) Influence comes from trust and relationships, so need to see this as “our” goal, not us/them #lrnchat
05:34:46 pm ckagy: Q4) Until they see a high quality example it’s hard #lrnchat
05:34:55 pm derekwwade: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:35:08 pm ckagy: Q4) become a stakeholder yourself #lrnchat
05:35:17 pm 2GFred: Q4) Everyone wants excellence. Getting outside “awards” helps credibility to sell to C suite. #lrnchat
05:35:19 pm simbeckhampson: @c4lpt > Yep, concrete goals/objectives are always good! #lrnchat
05:35:30 pm bschlenker: Q4) You don’t need to influence stakeholders if you clearly understand THEIR needs/objectives #lrnchat
05:35:34 pm dtssmithers: I think all my tweets are coming & going in batches due to trying to tweet “around our work network that blocks Twitter” #lrnchat
05:35:38 pm WasimB1: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:35:40 pm myFootpath: Nice! RT @ckagy Q4) become a stakeholder yourself #lrnchat
05:35:41 pm srleosalazar: RT @eshwaranv: Q4) Stakeholders care about the results and numbers… Show them. << agreed, but then we get into the ROI discussion #lrnchat
05:35:42 pm JudithELS: RT @sparkandco: Q4) Influence comes from trust and relationships, so need to see this as "our" goal, not us/them <I like this. #lrnchat
05:35:43 pm theteachinggame: Q4) Stakeholders already want a high quality of learning. It's to their advantage. They just need to be taught how to provide it. #lrnchat
05:36:02 pm TWells: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:36:13 pm LandDDave: Q4) Treat the stakeholders no differently than you would a reluctant learner. Find out what matters to them and connect to that. #lrnchat
05:36:26 pm julieannf: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:36:27 pm JenWomble: Great Panel Discussion on Mobile Learning Implementation now@ http://www.fetc.org/virtual #mld #edtech #teched #lrnchat #fetcv #k12online #teachers
05:36:27 pm dacapoinstitute: RT @cybraryman1: Q3 "If children cannot learn the way we teach, we must teach the way children learn." #lrnchat
05:36:27 pm ckagy: RT @jpapakalos: Q4) Show stakeholders diff btw a well trained employee and 1 that isnt. #lrnchat < but how 2 to show trng was the factor?
05:36:31 pm charlesjennings: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders #lrnchat
05:36:32 pm 2GFred: RT @theteachinggame: Q4) Stakeholders already want a high quality of learning. … They just need to be taught how to provide it. #lrnchat
05:36:38 pm tadams_InMind: @DerekWWade @lrnchat #lrnchat – shouldn’t influence be profit driven for the org?
05:36:56 pm WasimB1: RT @tmiket: $MILLION Question => Q4) How do we influence stakeholders to not settle for lesser quality in the learning experience? #lrnchat
05:37:08 pm nmeffert: RT @LandDDave: Treat stakeholders no differently than you would a reluctant learner. Find out what matters to them-connect to that. #lrnchat
05:37:08 pm robertbrogan: Measure the difference in performance between the trained and rest of the stakeholders organization #lrnchat
05:37:12 pm eshwaranv: @srleosalazar ROI discussions will be there anyway irrespective of the quality. #lrnchat
05:37:17 pm sparkandco: RT @charlesjennings: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders #lrnchat
05:37:21 pm c4lpt: RT @charlesjennings: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders #lrnchat
05:37:29 pm chrisstjohn: RT @bschlenker: Q4) You don’t need to influence stakeholders if you clearly understand THEIR needs/objectives #lrnchat
05:37:34 pm JudithELS: RT @charlesjennings: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders <Agree #lrnchat
05:37:40 pm dtssmithers: We have to balance the Designers triangle: Quality v. Speed v. Cost. with the needs/goals/obj of our customers (or stakeholders). #lrnchat
05:37:43 pm myFootpath: Great idea! RT @robertbrogan Measure the difference in performance between the trained and rest of the stakeholders organization #lrnchat
05:37:44 pm srleosalazar: Q4) the Dutch have a good saying for this: "Cheap is expensive". Show the stakeholder how investing now can deliver long term #lrnchat
05:37:50 pm theteachinggame: RT @sparkandco: RT @charlesjennings: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders #lrnchat
05:38:01 pm nmeffert: RT @theteachinggame: Q4) Stakeholders already want a high quality of learning. They just need to be taught how to provide it. #lrnchat
05:38:08 pm c4lpt: Q4) show them a high performing, self sufficient employee #lrnchat
05:38:13 pm sifowler: Q4) address the potential threat to stakeholder’s social and institutional capital that better quality learning implies #lrnchat
05:38:23 pm sparkandco: Q4) performance consulting – help them see there are other solutions #lrnchat
05:38:28 pm srleosalazar: @eshwaranv True, but according to #lrnchat rules if I mention ROI I get to have a drink. And I was thirsty.😉 #lrnchat
05:38:45 pm 2GFred: RT @charlesjennings: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders #lrnchat
05:38:46 pm simbeckhampson: @srleosalazar also show them that if they do nothing they could be working in McDonalds within the year😮 #lrnchat
05:38:54 pm sparkandco: RT @srleosalazar: Q4) Dutch have a saying: “Cheap is expensive”. Show the stakeholder how investing now can deliver long term #lrnchat
05:38:58 pm derekwwade: Q4. Ppl here have brought up profit, tie stakeholder objs 2 lrn objs. But we need to value learning as a CULTURE #lrnchat
05:39:01 pm dtssmithers: Q4, we trainers need to develop a customer mentality towards our training. #lrnchat
05:39:03 pm myFootpath: @srleosalazar Q4) the Dutch have a good saying for this: “Cheap is expensive.” >>yes! Don’t be penny wise and pound foolish! #lrnchat
05:39:04 pm nmeffert: Q4) Focus on a real product. One of human substance, artisanship, and mastery. Connect them to something meaningful. #lrnchat
05:39:08 pm jpapakalos: @ckagy Something tangible. Using software, whatever. One who is trained, one who is not. Parallel comparison of results. #lrnchat
05:39:09 pm srleosalazar: RT @c4lpt: Q4) show them a high performing, self sufficient employee << faster, cheaper, higher quality work in their eyes! #lrnchat
05:39:41 pm c4lpt: “@sparkandco: Q4) performance consulting Рhelp them see there are other solutions #lrnchat #lrnchat Learning needs to speak business terms!
05:39:58 pm ckagy: RT @theteachinggame: “Q4) Stakeholders already want a high quality of learning.” < They just need to realize it! #lrnchat
05:40:11 pm jpapakalos: @ckagy Not an easy task. Will depend on what you are trying to demonstrate. Proper nurse training comes to mind! #lrnchat
05:40:19 pm myFootpath: Q4: Track progress, whatever that means to your org, before and after training. #lrnchat
05:40:40 pm WasimB1: Sensible advice RT @charlesjennings: Q4) How do we influence stakeholders #lrnchat
05:40:45 pm derekwwade: Q4. Possible, but misses mark, to deterministically tie learning to profit/ROI/biz-only outputs. @srleosalazar “cheap is expensive” #lrnchat
05:40:51 pm eshwaranv: RT @ckagy: RT @theteachinggame: “Q4) Stakeholders already want a high quality of learning.” < They just need to realize it! #lrnchat
05:40:55 pm lress: @C4LPT Q4) high performing employee – from competitor?🙂 #lrnchat
05:40:58 pm nmeffert: RT @derekwwade: Q4. Ppl have brought up profit, tie stakeholder objs 2 lrn objs. But we need to value learning as a CULTURE < Yep! #lrnchat
05:41:06 pm ckagy: @jpapakalos But does that demonstrate that the learning you provided resulted in the change? Isolation is important somehow #lrnchat
05:41:08 pm briggzay: RT @sifowler: Q4) address potential threat to stakeholder's social/institutional capital that better quality learning implies #lrnchat <-yes
05:41:16 pm derekwwade: RT @ckagy: RT @theteachinggame: "Q4) Stakeholders already want a high quality of learning." < They just need to realize it! #lrnchat
05:41:49 pm nmeffert: Q4) Engage them in a race to the top, not a race to the bottom. #lrnchat
05:41:56 pm jpapakalos: @ckagy It could. Circumstances need to be right. Not simple, but doable. #lrnchat
05:42:08 pm jonhusband: @myFootpath @c4lpt @simbeckhampson <> perhaps, a bit vague/complicated .. but yes
05:58:59 pm julieannf: RT @srleosalazar also show them that if they do nothing they could be working in McDonalds within the year😮 #lrnchat << lol
05:59:05 pm ckagy: Q4) show them that their competitors value good learning.😉 #lrnchat
05:59:12 pm olliegardener: q4) Challenge the perception of how L&D initiatives adds value. Report on what counts – not what is easily measured. #lrnchat
05:59:16 pm sifowler: Q4) have C-level learning governance council – I think @charlesjennings knows a thing or two about that! #lrnchat
05:59:19 pm nmeffert: Is Twitter happening again? #lrnchat
05:59:24 pm lrnchat: We'll announce here as soon as the #lrnchat transcript is posted to the http://lrnchat.com
05:59:45 pm WasimB1: Has #lrnchat suddenly been silenced, or am I having problems with twitter?
05:59:48 pm edtechstrategy: RT @simbeckhampson: RT @olliegardener: q2. Involve learners in the support of other learners < Social Learning – totally agree – sharing knowledge #lrnchat
06:00:02 pm LandDDave: The nerve of Twitter… crashing during #lrnchat is just unacceptable!
06:00:04 pm olliegardener: @nmeffert seems that way!?🙂
#lrnchat
06:00:11 pm srleosalazar: RT @nmeffert: Is Twitter happening again? << Don't you hate it when that happens? #lrnchat
06:00:16 pm nmeffert: Sorry. My Twitter funked out. Anyone else? #lrnchat
06:00:19 pm LandDDave: Q4) I disagree that stakeholders want a high quality of learning- they want performance. We need to show the link between the two. #lrnchat
06:00:33 pm theteachinggame: @nmeffert looks like it was only a latin american black out. I was down for 15mins there too #lrnchat
06:00:56 pm simbeckhampson: RT @derekwwade …we need to value learning as a CULTURE < big yes #lrnchat
06:01:01 pm srleosalazar: RT @WasimB1: Has #lrnchat suddenly been silenced,<<< Twitter was down all over. 15 min of silence #lrnchat
06:01:13 pm simbeckhampson: Yes it's back🙂 #lrnchat
06:01:14 pm nmeffert: RT @LandDDave: The nerve of Twitter… crashing during #lrnchat is just unacceptable! #lrnchat
06:01:16 pm JudithELS: Many thanks everyone for a gr8 'chat', much to think about & a lot learned. Judith C-C signing off until next time #lrnchat
06:01:30 pm ckagy: And with that, #lrnchat is over for today.
06:01:31 pm charlesjennings: @sifowler Q4) have C-level learning governance council – I think @charlesjennings knows a thing or two about that! #lrnchat
06:01:39 pm srleosalazar: RT @LandDDave: crashing during #lrnchat is just unacceptable!<<< Agreed! Boy is someone gonna get an angry email! #lrnchat
06:01:45 pm 2GFred: Twitter had an "issue posting new tweets"…. #lrnchat
06:01:46 pm derekwwade: Q4. Challenge to our "influence" as educators: if "stakeholders" are learners, how do we help them LEARN to value learning? #lrnchat
06:01:52 pm olliegardener: @jonhusband @myFootpath @c4lpt @simbeckhampson New word for learning = evolving? New word for training then.. enabling?! #lrnchat
06:01:55 pm srleosalazar: RT @theteachinggame: @nmeffert looks like it was only a latin american black out. I was down for 15mins there too <<< Europe too #lrnchat
06:02:15 pm simbeckhampson: @jonhusband Going to apply some creative deep thinking to the challenge of a new word for learning🙂 #lrnchat
06:02:45 pm c4lpt: #lrnchat I'm trying to regenerate some of the old queued lrnchat posts – hold on
06:02:47 pm mik3yv: +1 RT @simbeckhampson: RT @derekwwade …we need to value learning as a CULTURE < big yes #lrnchat
06:02:51 pm sparkandco: Q4) perf. consult: diagnose to ensure training is the right answer, if so show impact of learning vs not in biz terms #lrnchat
06:03:04 pm olliegardener: @theteachinggame: @nmeffert only a latin american black out?
Norway is not in Latin America last time I checked. global me thinks #lrnchat
06:03:10 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links, requests & shameless plugs welcome, too. #lrnchat

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