Transcript 22-July 2010 Early

10:31:21 am lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules
10:31:21 am LearnTribe: RT @lrnchat: The Role of the Instructional Designer: our topic for today’s #lrnchat. First round at 4:30pm BST (11:30am EDT).
10:31:41 am lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
10:31:54 am StephanieDaul: Get ready for lots of tweets about the role of the ID #lrnchat
10:32:33 am lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
10:32:45 am kelly_smith01: Manyy a’ Tweet to follow 4 chat session at #lrnchat
10:33:26 am JasonFane: #lrnchat is starting, sorry for the upcoming tweets.
10:33:29 am LearnTribe: RT @StephanieDaul: Get ready for lots of tweets about the role of the ID #lrnchat
10:33:29 am CanadianPacMan: There be a bit of an increase in Tweets from me. I’ll be joining #lrnchat for a while this morning.
10:33:33 am lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
10:33:47 am cboz_syr: My first #lrnchat, not entirely sure where to begin, Upstate NY, focus is Org Capability & Development
10:33:54 am Callooh: Almost forgot about lrnchat, was miiming on miio today #lrnchat
10:33:55 am JamesMcLuckie: 1. Hi James here. From Eden Tree Toolkit based in Edinburgh. Hello all! #lrnchat
10:34:28 am lrnchat: 4) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com , http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well
10:35:19 am kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, ISD Consultant, located in North by NorthCentral Texas #lrnchat
10:35:24 am JamesMcLuckie: As a new user of TweetChat, can heartily recommend it for these kinds of sessions. #lrnchat
10:35:32 am CanadianPacMan: @cboz_syr Welcome Charlene to your first #lrnchat. Enjoy & jump in with your thoughts.
10:35:49 am JasonFane: RT @JamesMcLuckie: As a new user of TweetChat, can heartily recommend it for these kinds of sessions. #lrnchat
10:35:49 am lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what youβ€šre talking about & they can chime in too. #lrnchat
10:35:54 am JudithELS: Apologies for the flurry of tweets but I’m just about to join this week’s lrnchat on Instructional Designer but everyone’s welcome #lrnchat
10:35:58 am Yorkoga_TE: Garth, ISD, Greater Chicago area #lrnchat
10:36:02 am ASTDLincoln: RT @lrnchat The Role of the Instructional Designer: our topic for today’s #lrnchat. First round at 10:30 AM (CDT)
10:36:15 am dbolen: @SuzNet forthcoming @JaneBozarth book #lrnchat
10:36:37 am StephanieDaul: Good Afternoon or morning everyone. Welcome to lrnchat #lrnchat
10:36:52 am lrnchat: 6) On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really.
10:37:03 am mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, Chicago, IL.. ADL Community Manager. Looking forward to ImplementationFest in ~3 weeks. #lrnchat
10:37:07 am LearnTribe: Gordon McLeod, from Scotland, Learning Technology (esp elearning). Fave topic – engaging learners #lrnchat
10:37:12 am JudithELS: Hi everyone, Judith Christian-Carter from England here, an addicted ID’er by day (& night)! #lrnchat
10:37:23 am dbolen: Don Bolen, hot ‘lanta, GA USA PM, learnin’ strategist, #lrnchat
10:37:30 am StephanieDaul: Stephanie Daul, ID, Chicago, Social Media, mLearning, eLearning…all my favorite topics – and lrnchat #lrnchat
10:37:40 am lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too #lrnchat
10:38:06 am cboz_syr: @CanadianPacMan Thank you for the warm welcome. I’m looking forward to hearing from everyone and learning from them at my first #lrnchat.
10:38:18 am StephanieDaul: @Yorkoga_TE Welcome – glad to see your tweets out here! #lrnchat
10:38:34 am JasonFane: Jason Fane from San Antonio TX, YEEE HAAAA! I work with faculty @ UTSA on Instructional Design with my co-workers. #lrnchat
10:38:34 am lrnchat: Q0 : (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
10:38:43 am z_rose: Zoe Rose, Cambridge UK, content development/publishing. Haven’t been to a #lrnchat for about a month, hi all!
10:38:49 am techherding: Dick Carlson from ultra-hot (not hip) Columbia SC. Instructional Designer, Pug Daddy, Cranky Old Guy. www.TechHerding.com #lrnchat
10:38:58 am Yorkoga_TE: Learned the difference between editing mono and stereo tracks the hard way #lrnchat
10:38:59 am dennisschleiche: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, Chicago, IL.. ADL Community Manager. Looking forward to ImplementationFest in ~3 weeks. #lrnchat
10:39:00 am JasonFane: RT @lrnchat: Q0 : (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
10:39:05 am JudithELS: @cboz_syr Welcome too and I hope you enjoy your first #lrnchat
10:39:10 am Callooh: Dianne Rees, in Texas, particularly interested in education to improve health literacy & patient empowerment #lrnchat
10:39:16 am mrch0mp3rs: Hey @z_rose!!!! #lrnchat
10:39:19 am Yorkoga_TE: @StephanieDaul I am sure my follower will enjoy them #lrnchat
10:39:27 am JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q0 : (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
10:39:42 am mrch0mp3rs: Morning, doctor. @Yorkoga_TE #lrnchat
10:40:04 am CanadianPacMan: Phil Cowcill, North Bay, ON, Canada. Coordinator of 3 programs including Multimedia. Work as Developer PM, ID on the side #lrnchat
10:40:09 am fran_white_3: Fran from Chicago ISD Learning editing of 2 tracks of audio #lrnchat
10:40:20 am Callooh: I learned about TeamLab–it’s designed as a biz portal but has lots of options for elearning creation. #lrnchat
10:40:47 am StephanieDaul: Q0) Today I learned even when the systems developer says it’s ready for developing training….it’s not! #lrnchat
10:40:50 am z_rose: I have learned that Common Cartridge packaging is really hard, the specs aren’t well understood, & the tools are hard to wrangle #lrnchat
10:40:55 am andyjanning: #lrnchat Andy Janning, Indianapolis, IN – Asst VP of Training for FORUM Credit Union
10:40:57 am StephanieDaul: @fran_white_3 Welcome Fran! #lrnchat
10:40:58 am JamesMcLuckie: Q0. I have learned that my Masters dissertation is going to take an awful lot more work than I expected (or, indeed, feared). #lrnchat
10:41:08 am JudithELS: Q0) To avoid temptation (have a new iPad still in its box ’cause it’s for my birthday which isn’t until Monday) but … #lrnchat
10:41:16 am Rsuominen: Riitta Suominen, Finland, participating #lrnchat and warming up the sauna at the summer cottage.
10:41:34 am JasonFane: I learned about the “Web Developer” Add-On for #firefox. Amazing tool, it can resize your web-browser to other screen resolutions. #lrnchat
10:41:40 am Callooh: Also learned about miio.com which is a cool microblogging site (>140 characters). #lrnchat
10:41:58 am andyjanning: #lrnchat I learned that the Shirley Sherrod firestorm tells me that the Fundamental Attribution Error is alive and well.
10:42:06 am JamesMcLuckie: @JudithELS Oh, a few of my colleagues have bought iPads, Judith. It is love, to be sure! #lrnchat
10:42:14 am mrch0mp3rs: RT @z_rose: I have learned that CC packaging is really hard, specs aren’t well understood & tools are hard to wrangle #lrnchat
10:42:20 am sguditus: Q0) I have learned to be patient with technology … can be a curse and a blessing! #lrnchat
10:42:24 am sauravj: #lrnchat Saurav, from Calcutta, India. I run a Custom E-Learning company.
10:42:36 am kelly_smith01: @SuzNet Also folllow hashag @SoMeTrainers for SoMe info #lrnchat
10:42:41 am JudithELS: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Q0. Have learned that my Masters dissertation is going to take an awful lot more work than I expected <worth it? #lrnchat
10:42:50 am Callooh: @andyjanning Yeah, that was depressing. #lrnchat
10:43:01 am mrch0mp3rs: @dennisschleiche Would you believe that you were in HIlton Head as I was leaving Charleston? Always missing by *that* muchπŸ™‚ #lrnchat
10:43:02 am LizPreedy: Extra tweets now about to join #lrnchat
10:43:04 am dbolen: Q0) learning that my preference for physical books is waning, really like reading on iPad #lrnchat
10:43:06 am sguditus: Hello from Boston! Middle School assistant principal here. #lrnchat
10:43:26 am techherding: If @JaneBozarth doesn’t show up for #lrnchat, I’ll just channel her. “I have a new iPhone. Wheeeee!”
10:43:31 am JudithELS: RT @JamesMcLuckie: @JudithELS Oh, a few of my colleagues have bought iPads, Judith. It is love to be sure! <I’m loving the box! #lrnchat
10:43:38 am GillianP: Hi everyone. Having fun working on very similar edu-LD needs in Aus and US while based in UK. #lrnchat
10:43:39 am StephanieDaul: Q0) I also learned that if you want to do something go straight to the client and don’t let the middle man get in your way #lrnchat
10:43:45 am JamesMcLuckie: @JudithELS I hope so! Ask me in a year.πŸ˜‰ #lrnchat
10:43:49 am StephanieDaul: @sguditus welcome back #lrnchat
10:43:56 am rvertiz: #lrnchat, Regina Vertiz from Boston, I am sr. media producer for a publishing company #lrnchat
10:44:12 am kelly_smith01: Learned that (sometimes) behind every dark cloud … is another dark cloud (just sometimes) #lrnchat
10:44:27 am Rsuominen: Q0) Twitter is not as popular as I thought. http://bit.ly/9ioxvW #lrnchat Q0 What have you learned today?
10:44:39 am StephanieDaul: RT @GillianP: Hi everyone. Having fun working on very similar edu-LD needs in Aus and US while based in UK. <very global> #lrnchat
10:44:39 am dbolen: RT @StephanieDaul: Q0) I also learned that if U wnt 2 do something go straight 2 the client & dont let the middle man get in yr way #lrnchat
10:44:39 am mrch0mp3rs: I’m learning that coming back from vacation is harder than actually unplugging to go on vacation. #lrnchat
10:44:42 am JasonFane: RT @StephanieDaul: I learned that if you want to do something go straight to the client and dont let the middle man get in your way #lrnchat
10:44:52 am LizPreedy: Q0) Learning I’ve still not mastered joining this session! #lrnchat
10:44:54 am sguditus: @cboz_syr Technology patience solution: take a walk and unplug! #lrnchat
10:44:58 am JudithELS: RT @dbolen: Q0) learning that my preference for physical books is waning, like reading on iPad<Any more of this & I’m giving in! #lrnchat
10:45:22 am kelly_smith01: RT @StephanieDaul: I learned that if you want to do something go straight to the client and dont let the middle man get in your way #lrnchat
10:45:24 am GillianP: @Callooh Interesting. Have you seen the work being done in Barcelona? If not, DM me #lrnchat
10:45:24 am cboz_syr: Q0) I learned that the new Captivate 5 interface is going to take a lot of time to get used to #lrnchat
10:45:24 am rvertiz: q0 I learned to fight with Sakai but managed to successfully publish a course. #lrnchat
10:45:30 am lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:45:42 am mrch0mp3rs: There’s a story here > RT @kelly_smith01: Learned that (sometimes) behind every dark cloud is another dark cloud (just sometimes) #lrnchat
10:46:09 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @cboz_syr: Q0) Captivate 5 interface is going to take a lot of time to get used to > Am still struggling with C4! #lrnchat
10:46:11 am JasonFane: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:46:14 am StephanieDaul: Q0) the only way to make sure it rains is to water the plants first #lrnchat
10:46:19 am LearnTribe: qo) that people are panicking in FE/HE about budget cuts – but it’s an opportunity in learning technology #lrnchat
10:46:23 am skiley1013: Q0 today i have learned how tasty edible arrangements are. also, that you can’t use the lighting effects in cs5 on 64 bit macs. #lrnchat
10:46:28 am LizPreedy: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:46:35 am CanadianPacMan: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:46:38 am dbolen: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:46:45 am mrch0mp3rs: @techherding But… does the phone make and receive calls? #lrnchat
10:46:49 am JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:47:20 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @LearnTribe: qo) that people are panicking in FE/HE about budget cuts – but its an opportunity in learning technology #lrnchat
10:47:21 am fran_white_3: ISDs need to be more and more technically savvy #lrnchat
10:47:25 am JudithELS: RT @StephanieDaul: Q0) the only way to make sure it rains is to water the plants first <too right, this happened to me today. #lrnchat
10:47:30 am techherding: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:47:31 am Yorkoga_TE: @mrch0mp3rs I have the new paper weight app on my phone #lrnchat
10:47:53 am Callooh: Q1) Need to nurture informal learning opportunities, create support tools/resources for them #lrnchat
10:48:05 am kelly_smith01: @mrch0mp3rs Will not mention details. But a hint –> 9.7% #lrnchat
10:48:25 am JamesMcLuckie: Q1: IDs need to learn not to let technology guide the learning – should be other way around. #lrnchat
10:48:39 am sguditus: Q1) Solid instruction should NOT change with social netwkg; always start with solid, research-based instruction, then add tech #lrnchat
10:48:46 am JasonFane: Q1) I think in this new era people believe anyone can be a ID and it is causing a lessening of adherence to standards. #lrnchat
10:48:48 am ASTDLincoln: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:48:52 am CanadianPacMan: q1) It has expanded what an ID must know/do. At some point ID will have to drop something to take on new social tasks. #lrnchat
10:48:54 am KaSpill: Q0) Today I learnt that I dislike urban gulls that seem to be having a love affair with the bonnet of my car! Car Wash please! #lrnchat
10:49:06 am LearnTribe: q1) much greater emphasis on user gen & collaborative – linear design not popular #lrnchat
10:49:17 am Yorkoga_TE: Q1) Need to let go of control of the learning #lrnchat
10:49:23 am mrch0mp3rs: Q1) I think Instructional Design used to be very prescriptive. I think the prominence of social is forcing ISD to be more agile. #lrnchat
10:49:30 am kelly_smith01: Q1) Getting folks to see value in social media (within and outside the firewall) #lrnchat
10:49:33 am JudithELS: Q1) Seeing real (ie appropriate) opportunities to integrate #SoMe tools/apps into learning design. #lrnchat
10:49:35 am rvertiz: Q1 – key is to use backward design, start with the instruction objective #lrnchat
10:49:43 am dbolen: Q1) that informal learning must be nurtured and accounted for in design/delivery and support #lrnchat
10:49:58 am skiley1013: q1) we are expected to teach technologies that we are just learning ourselves? #lrnchat
10:50:04 am JudithELS: RT @JasonFane: Q1) I think in this new era people believe anyone can be a ID and it’s causing a lessening of adherence to standards #lrnchat
10:50:16 am StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:50:30 am sguditus: Q1) Instruction that involves social networking must be deliberate and thoughtful to proactively predict dangers/issues/problems #lrnchat
10:50:38 am z_rose: RT @LearnTribe: q1) much greater emphasis
10:51:09 am JasonFane: RT @z_rose: RT @LearnTribe: q1) much greater emphasis on user gen & collaborative – linear design not popular #lrnchat
10:51:26 am CanadianPacMan: @sguditus Don’t you think an ID needs to know about social netwkg in order to design for it. May also need to educate client. #lrnchat
10:51:27 am techherding: @mrch0mp3rs Dr. Bozarth has minions who make and receive calls. She doesn’t need a phone for that. #lrnchat
10:51:33 am rvertiz: @skiley1013 good point and before we learn these new tech we are already learning new ones, learning is a continuum #lrnchat
10:51:34 am GillianP: @CanadianPacMan Drop or use new lenses? #lrnchat
10:51:43 am LizPreedy: @JasonFane Certainly some of the basics are being abandoned. #lrnchat
10:51:48 am kelly_smith01: @mrch0mp3rs Yes. Move from perscriptive to collaborative. (like Ed Schein) #lrnchat
10:52:06 am JamesMcLuckie: @JasonFane Interesting point about anyone being an ID. Rapid authoring tools pretty much sell themselves on this basis. #lrnchat
10:52:39 am JudithELS: RT @CanadianPacMan: Dont you think an ID needs to know about social netwkg in order to design for it. <Absolutely & use it. #lrnchat
10:52:41 am sguditus: @CanadianPacMan I do, yes: soc.nwkg integration is essential in 21st c., but it should be secondary to solid instruction/teaching #lrnchat
10:52:59 am JasonFane: @LizPreedy @JamesMcLuckie Exactly, but this being the case, it can be dangerous if principles aren’t being followed. #lrnchat
10:53:04 am skiley1013: @JamesMcLuckie @JasonFane that’s part of the reason i think we are going to find ourselves being technology trainers #lrnchat
10:53:07 am StephanieDaul: Q1) ID need to be more than someone who knows how to create one time events – they need to foster a community #lrnchat
10:53:14 am JasonFane: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Interesting point about anyone being an ID. Rapid authoring tools pretty much sell themselves on this basis. #lrnchat
10:53:15 am LizPreedy: @JamesMcLuckie – But how many not in L&D/Edu are actuaslly using rapid tools? #lrnchat
10:53:31 am JudithELS: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Rapid authoring tools pretty much sell themselves on this basis. <More’s the shame. #lrnchat
10:53:33 am mrch0mp3rs: I think that in social organizations, ISDs become sense-makers and sooth-sayers. Trainers become facilitators. #lrnchat
10:53:37 am sauravj: #lrnchat Q1) It’s almost a cultural change, designs need to be more inclusive not exclusive.
10:53:41 am skiley1013: RT @StephanieDaul: Q1) ID need to be more than someone who knows how to create one time events – they need to foster a community #lrnchat
10:53:46 am JasonFane: RT @sguditus: I do, yes: soc.nwkg integration is essential in 21st c., but it should be secondary to solid instruction/teaching #lrnchat
10:54:25 am CanadianPacMan: RT @sguditus: @CanadianPacMan … but it should be secondary to solid instruction/teaching #lrnchat <- TRUE, but it still means role changed
10:54:39 am JasonFane: @skiley1013 We already are ‘technology trainers’ #lrnchat
10:54:45 am JudithELS: RT @LizPreedy: @JamesMcLuckie – But how many not in L&D/Edu are actuaslly using rapid tools? <Far too many in my view. #lrnchat
10:54:56 am rvertiz: @sauravj what do you mean by inclusive vs. exclusive, can you give an example? #lrnchat
10:55:01 am StephanieDaul: Learning needs to have most if not all elements – elearning, mlearning, social…. #lrnchat
10:55:05 am Yorkoga_TE: Social netweoks in business always existed, technology makes them more visible and accessible #lrnchat
10:55:16 am dbolen: RT @mrch0mp3rs: I think that in social organizations, ISDs become sense-makers and sooth-sayers. Trainers become facilitators. YES #lrnchat
10:55:23 am JamesMcLuckie: @LizPreedy I think issue is often with CEOs or DMs – basics are being abandoned by some IDs because pressure is on to be “rapid” #lrnchat
10:55:32 am GillianP: Disagree that soc networking needs to be ‘integrated’ if that means doing same+. Nthg wrong with old but can have new style #lrnchat
10:55:35 am Rsuominen: RT @LearnTribe: q1) much greater emphasis on user gen & collaborative – linear design not popular #lrnchat
10:55:41 am kelly_smith01: Q1) ADDIE and other models/frameworks seem to ignore true collaboration – collaboration is critical 2day #lrnchat
10:55:47 am fran_white_3: Social media can help us extend the learning and increase the chances of behavior change #lrnchat
10:55:49 am StephanieDaul: RT @Yorkoga_TE: Social netweoks in business always existed, technology makes them more visible and accessible <and transparent> #lrnchat
10:55:57 am mrch0mp3rs: Analagous situation would be restaurants. ISDs become sous chefs; Trainers become the Maitre’D. Maybe. Need to watch more Top Chef. #lrnchat
10:56:05 am GillianP: RT @sauravj: #lrnchat Q1) It’s almost a cultural change, designs need to be more inclusive not exclusive.
10:56:14 am CanadianPacMan: RT @GillianP: @CanadianPacMan Drop or use new lenses? #lrnchat <- Only so much time. If U take on new roles, what do U drop? Make sense?
10:56:20 am JasonFane: RT @JamesMcLuckie:the issue is often with CEOs or DMs – basics are being abandoned by some IDs because pressure is on to be “rapid” #lrnchat
10:56:30 am z_rose: RT @Yorkoga_TE: Social netweoks in business always existed, technology makes them more visible and accessible #lrnchat
10:56:45 am sguditus: Positive Peer Pressure! RT @fran_white_3: Social media can help us extend the learning and increase the chances of behavior change #lrnchat
10:57:02 am TechTongues: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How has the role of instructional designers changed in the social-business era? #lrnchat
10:57:02 am StephanieDaul: @kelly_smith01 I don’t think ADDIE ignores social – it’s the ID that ignores the social #lrnchat
10:57:26 am JudithELS: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) ADDIE & other models/frameworks seem to ignore true collaboration<is that because they haven’t been updated? #lrnchat
10:57:31 am LearnTribe: RT @LizPreedy: @JamesMcLuckie – But how many not in L&D/Edu are actually using rapid tools? #lrnchat >used badly by f2f educators
10:57:46 am Yorkoga_TE: RT @StephanieDaul: @kelly_smith01 I dont think ADDIE ignores social – its the ID that ignores the social (benign neglect) #lrnchat
10:57:49 am skiley1013: @JasonFane yup. but that’s not the idea behind instructional designers originally. #lrnchat
10:57:51 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) ADDIE and other models/frameworks seem to ignore true collaboration < V.interesting view. #lrnchat
10:57:59 am fran_white_3: @StephanieDaul completely agree.. #lrnchat
10:58:22 am StephanieDaul: @mrch0mp3rs and the learners the executive chefs? #lrnchat
10:58:29 am sauravj: @rvertiz Sure,earlier Instructional Designers were designing for individual users but now the emphasis is on collab. & community. #lrnchat
10:58:43 am mrch0mp3rs: Collaboration is such a buzzword though… what does collaboration look like? What net effect are you going for? #lrnchat
10:58:47 am rebeccalcorn: Just signing in. Rebecca Alcorn, Knoxville TN. Credit union trainer. #Lrnchat
10:59:15 am kelly_smith01: @StephanieDaul Did not mean SoMe/ADDIE – Intended the collaboration which flows from SoMe (or should) #lrnchat
10:59:20 am JasonFane: @skiley1013 I know. Technology used to serve us, but now we are serving technology. #lrnchat
10:59:40 am JamesMcLuckie: Is it about creating the *means* to collaborate … is upto the learner if they choose to exploit it? #lrnchat
10:59:58 am GillianP: @CanadianPacMan Yes, time a problem. Timeout, deep breath, ask which role needed this time. Gd thng is social has helpers!πŸ™‚ #lrnchat
11:00:06 am Rsuominen: Q1) Anyway, the basic idea of the course is still important. #lrnchat
11:00:22 am CanadianPacMan: ADDIE is a model 4 development. Can incorp social conent or ignore. ADDIE doesn’t dictate what goes in-just the process of building.#lrnchat
11:00:36 am StephanieDaul: @mrch0mp3rs When I was teaching collaboration meant I had nothing planned but wrote something in my planner – work collaboratively. #lrnchat
11:00:46 am sguditus: @JamesMcLuckie Where’s the line between allowing a learner to choose vs. demand they collaborate? #lrnchat
11:00:48 am mrch0mp3rs: @JamesMcLuckie I think all we can do as designers is provide the means/remove barriers to learn; up to the individual to engage. #lrnchat
11:00:50 am fran_white_3: In my mind Instructional design has always been about collaboration. Technology has increased the breadth though.. #lrnchat
11:01:00 am LizPreedy: @JamesMcLuckie It sure is upto the learner – we cannot force others to learn! #lrnchat
11:01:11 am Yorkoga_TE: RT @CanadianPacMan: ADDIE doesnt dictate what goes in-just the process of building.#lrnchat Amen brother #lrnchat
11:01:26 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @CanadianPacMan: ADDIE is a model 4 development. ADDIE doesnt dictate what goes in-just the process of building.#lrnchat <agrees #lrnchat
11:01:55 am kelly_smith01: @mrch0mp3rs Will define “collaboration” when I can find someone to collaborate with on a definition of “collaboration” #lrnchat
11:01:56 am KarenPantos: I think ID has an opportunity to social networking if we develop a plan for adoption. #lrnchat
11:02:03 am skiley1013: courses will always be important b/c it’s an easy way of measuring ROI– did people do well on the test? yes = learning #lrnchat
11:02:14 am JudithELS: RT @LizPreedy: @JamesMcLuckie It sure is up to the learner – we cannot force others to learn! <I totally agree. #lrnchat
11:02:51 am LearnTribe: RT @LizPreedy: @JamesMcLuckie It sure is upto the learner – we cannot force others to learn! #lrnchat >if only!
11:02:58 am GillianP: @CanadianPacMan Perhaps social requires rapid-ADDIE? Iterative. Short steps. #lrnchat
11:03:12 am Callooh: @mrch0mp3rs Agree, it’s more about providing tools to enhance metacognition. #lrnchat
11:03:15 am sguditus: Is collaboration a needed skill that requires development in 21st c., similar to, say, arithmetic skill development? #lrnchat
11:03:19 am rvertiz: RT @JudithELS: RT @LizPreedy: @JamesMcLuckie It sure is up to the learner – we cannot force others to learn!> agreed! #lrnchat
11:03:23 am mrch0mp3rs: I don’t want to go off-topic on collaboration, but without shared/explicated goals, collaboration is REALLY hard. #lrnchat
11:03:31 am Yorkoga_TE: RT @LizPreedy: @JamesMcLuckie It sure is upto the learner – we cannot force others to learn! We can encourage #lrnchat
11:03:44 am rebeccalcorn: RT @CanadianPacMan: ADDIE doesn’t dictate what goes in-just the process of building.#lrnchat
11:04:17 am JasonFane: @ Everyone, you could force social tools down students throats, make it part of the grade. >: ) #lrnchat
11:04:43 am CanadianPacMan: RT @GillianP: @CanadianPacMan Perhaps social requires rapid-ADDIE? Iterative. Short steps. #lrnchat <- I bounce between the 2 D when dev.
11:04:44 am StephanieDaul: @sguditus not sure if collaboration is a skill or an environment or culture #lrnchat
11:05:00 am LizPreedy: @Yorkoga_TE I hope that is the business we are in – encoraging & supporting would-be-learners #lrnchat
11:05:01 am JasonFane: I can force any behavior I want in the class with reward or punishment. That’s what the grading system is all about. #lrnchat
11:05:08 am odguru: RT @mrch0mp3rs: I don’t want to go off-topic on collaboration, but without shared/explicated goals, collaboration is REALLY hard. #lrnchat
11:05:10 am JamesMcLuckie: @LizPreedy @Yorkoga_TE I think all we can do is to put learners on the right path and offer advice when needed. #lrnchat
11:05:11 am rvertiz: @Yorkoga_TE We can encourage learners by developing more effective learning tools that keep minds engaged… this is the challenge! #lrnchat
11:05:38 am fran_white_3: RT @StephanieDaul: @sguditus not sure if collaboration is a skill or an environment or culture I think its both #lrnchat
11:05:53 am lrnchat: Q2) What departments could benefit from instructional design and why? #lrnchat
11:05:54 am odguru: RT @StephanieDaul: @sguditus not sure if collaboration is a skill or an environment or culture<< it is all 3 #lrnchat
11:05:59 am sguditus: If collaboration is a needed skill, why not develop like other academic areas – rubrics, grades, RTI, etc? #lrnchat
11:06:26 am kuriousmind: #lrnchat Q1) change in social-business era? — lots, esp. more acceptance of prototyping.
11:06:29 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @rvertiz: We can encourage learners by developing more effective learning tools that keep minds engaged < Absolutely key point! #lrnchat
11:06:30 am GillianP: RT@JamesMcLuckie Where’s the line between allowing a learner to choose vs. demand they collaborate? <Grade structure!!! #lrnchat
11:06:31 am sauravj: @rvertiz Absolutely. Forgetting the individual learner is the biggest mistake you could make. #lrnchat
11:06:31 am kelly_smith01: Q1) Remind me not to mention ADDIE again. 140 characters is to few to describe full context #lrnchat
11:06:33 am mrch0mp3rs: Thats what social brings > RT @JamesMcLuckie: all we can do is to put learners on the right path and offer advice when needed. #lrnchat
11:06:35 am JasonFane: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What departments could benefit from instructional design and why? #lrnchat
11:06:44 am ranellem: “Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.” Chinese Proverb #lrnchat
11:06:58 am kuriousmind: #lrnchat Q2) which depts benefit from ID? …. ALL.
11:06:59 am TerrenceWing: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What departments could benefit from instructional design and why? #lrnchat
11:07:00 am odguru: RT @StephanieDaul: not sure if collab is a skill or an environment or culture<< there’s probably a Maslow’s type hierarchy in there #lrnchat
11:07:32 am Yorkoga_TE: Q2 Training Departments, sometimes the cobbler has no shoes #lrnchat
11:07:38 am mrch0mp3rs: Social tears down the imagined wall between ISD and learner. It puts, IMHO, ISD right in the mix. #lrnchat
11:07:45 am LizPreedy: RT @ranellem: “Teachers open the door, but you must enter by yourself.” Chinese Proverb #lrnchat
11:07:53 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Thats what social brings < Unless, it is bad/ill-thought out advice or ID uses SoME to push own agenda? #lrnchat
11:07:57 am JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What departments could benefit from instructional design and why? #lrnchat
11:08:03 am umbgida: RT @lrnchat: The Role of the Instructional Designer: our topic for today’s #lrnchat. First round at 4:30pm BST (11:30am EDT).
11:08:19 am JasonFane: Q2.) Our HR uses great Instructional Design, our yearly compliance for University policies in set in learning modules. #lrnchat
11:08:27 am odguru: Managers should def be taught instructional design and facilitation.Reminded in working with a mftg co how much is raw teaching #lrnchat
11:08:32 am JamesMcLuckie: Q2: Am not sure there is a one-size fits all answer to this one. #lrnchat
11:09:08 am Rsuominen: Good point of view RT @StephanieDaul @sguditus not sure if collaboration is a skill or an environment or culture #lrnchat
11:09:16 am fran_white_3: It’s not department specific, anyone who needs to teach something to someone else could benefit from ID concepts #lrnchat
11:09:26 am mrch0mp3rs: Q2) As sense-makers, many parts of an organization gain value from ISD, specifically because they tend to have holistic view #lrnchat
11:09:31 am kelly_smith01: Q2) Consider Rummler & improving performance – ISD (performance improvement) is cross functional – all “departments” #lrnchat
11:09:33 am dbolen: Q2) ISD as a process, framework to facilitate collaboration. All depts could benefit #Lrnchat
11:09:58 am kelly_smith01: RT @dbolen: Q2) ISD as a process, framework to facilitate collaboration. All depts could benefit #lrnchat
11:09:59 am JasonFane: RT @fran_white_3: Its not department specific, anyone who needs to teach something to someone else could benefit from ID concepts #lrnchat
11:10:03 am JudithELS: Q2) Training, HR, & all my clients – in descending order of knowledge & skill. #lrnchat
11:10:20 am TerrenceWing: @odguru @Stephaniedaul Perhaps there is an inventory of competencies that make collaboration possible. #lrnchat
11:10:22 am z_rose: Isn’t asking ‘which Depts benefit from ID’ like asking ‘which Depts benefit from training’? Isn’t the answer just ‘all’? #lrnchat
11:10:36 am GillianP: Q2: Is this question upside down? Learners need to benefit from ID, or depts will fail anyway. #lrnchat
11:10:54 am TerrenceWing: Agree RT @kelly_smith01 @dbolen: Q2) ISD as a process, framework to facilitate collaboration. All depts could benefit #lrnchat
11:10:56 am odguru: @TerrenceWing you got one TW? #lrnchat
11:11:16 am petersonandrew: #lrnchat any helpdesk needs ID knowledge. helpdesk is just individual instruction.
11:11:44 am TerrenceWing: One what? RT @odguru: @TerrenceWing you got one TW? #lrnchat
11:11:58 am skiley1013: so agree!!! RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat any helpdesk needs ID knowledge. helpdesk is just individual instruction. #lrnchat
11:12:04 am JudithELS: Agree> RT @GillianP: Q2: Is this question upside down? Learners need to benefit from ID, or depts will fail anyway. <All areas? #lrnchat
11:12:05 am z_rose: @GillianP See where you’re going -> Departments are made of people #lrnchat
11:12:10 am sauravj: Q2) Any department which wishes to learn and grow can benefit from Instructional Design.πŸ™‚ #lrnchat
11:12:13 am petersonandrew: #lrnchat depts that have very well defined processes and aren’t subject to change don’t require it.
11:12:20 am odguru: From a leadership perspective ID benefits most in the middle & lower. At exec level more important to define issues/vision clearly #lrnchat
11:12:36 am z_rose: Good call RT @petersonandrew #lrnchat any helpdesk needs ID knowledge. helpdesk is just individual instruction.
11:12:37 am Callooh: Q2) So maybe that’s the answer ID could help facilitate workings of cross-functional teams/departments #lrnchat
11:12:38 am StephanieDaul: Q2) Maybe the question could be – which department can we learn from? #lrnchat
11:12:47 am odguru: @TerrenceWing Do you know of/have a competency list for collaboration? #lrnchat
11:12:59 am odguru: RT @StephanieDaul: Q2) Maybe the question could be – which department can we learn from? #lrnchat
11:13:16 am skiley1013: q2) does anyone *not* benefit from learning? #lrnchat
11:13:18 am JamesMcLuckie: Does this question get into the area of upskilling subject matter experts into IDs or comptence in ID? #lrnchat
11:13:24 am kelly_smith01: RT @odguru: RT @StephanieDaul: Q2) Maybe the question could be – which department can we learn from? #lrnchat
11:13:25 am JudithELS: RT @Callooh: Q2) So maybe thats the answer ID could help facilitate workings of cross-functional teams/departments <It sure could. #lrnchat
11:13:32 am Yorkoga_TE: RT @StephanieDaul: Q2) Maybe the question could be – which department can we learn from? Marketing – lessons in 30 seconds #lrnchat
11:14:49 am odguru: @kelly_smith01 @StephanieDaul Engineering department. You learn the lingo & then sr. engineers help you loop it around the tasks. #lrnchat
11:14:57 am skiley1013: @Yorkoga_TE good marketing depts can teach us things. i have seen marketing folks who will use 10 verbal dimes when a buck will do #lrnchat
11:15:28 am JudithELS: RT @JamesMcLuckie: Anyone can be an ID’er if they have the attributes, knowledge & skills. #lrnchat
11:15:33 am StephanieDaul: Q2) How can ID help different departments? #lrnchat
11:15:36 am GillianP: @\JudithELS @z_rose Indivs vital but timescale can modify. If big boss needs ‘results’ tmrw it is a choice of failures. #lrnchat
11:15:40 am TerrenceWing: @odguru No, but we can start one. Communication, Social and Emot Intel, Listening, Motivating, Questioning skills, etc… #lrnchat
11:16:10 am Rsuominen: New management culture? @odguru: Managers should def be taught instructional design and facilitation. #lrnchat
11:16:36 am odguru: @TerrenceWing Big EI component – can’t be shut off cause of your own crap. Pull conversation, too #lrnchat
11:16:37 am lizziepauker: There’s always benefits frm learning-may not be apparent @ 1st but it’s there. RT @skiley1013: does any1*not* benefit frm learning? #lrnchat
11:17:05 am JasonFane: @JudithELS That’s the problem…many of them don’t, they just think they do. I can’t count the courses that use lime green and pink #lrnchat
11:17:20 am odguru: @Rsuominen I think so. Still see to many managers creating dependencies on themselves and then hating the dependencies… #lrnchat
11:17:23 am JamesMcLuckie: @JudithELS You could say that about just about any field surely, Judith? I would say attitude is key element to a successful IDer. #lrnchat
11:18:12 am mrch0mp3rs: I disagree that anyone can be an ISD. Anyone can use the tools of the trade, but using the tools doesn’t mean you have the skill. #lrnchat
11:18:14 am TerrenceWing: @Rsuominen @odguru I agree. Once I learned ISD & Training Facilitation, I became a stronger manager. Main goal was to improve perf #lrnchat
11:18:34 am mrch0mp3rs: In other words, I can use a hammer and a saw, but it doesn’t make me a carpenter. #lrnchat
11:18:44 am petersonandrew: ID seems like to big of a buzz word. #lrnchat (everything in education is wrapped around it, including funding)
11:18:49 am JudithELS: RT @JasonFane: @JudithELS Thats the problem…many of them dont, they just think they do. <Agreed, too many ‘wan-a-be’ ID’ers? #lrnchat
11:19:17 am Yorkoga_TE: @mrch0mp3rs Similarly, a cat can have kittens in an over, that doesn’t make them muffins #lrnchat
11:19:31 am JudithELS: @JamesMcLuckie I actually believe there are some key attributes which all successful ID’ers must have. #lrnchat
11:19:34 am petersonandrew: anyone can paint, that doesn’t make them a ~good~ painter. #lrnchat
11:19:36 am TerrenceWing: @mrch0mp3rs Very tru. Just because someone has a license, doesn’t make them a good driver. #lrnchat
11:20:09 am GillianP: @JudithELS sorry – got typo in #lrnchat response to you. Hope you saw it!
11:20:12 am odguru: @TerrenceWing a big thing is cultivating conviction that collab is a better way (4 most things). Need special help for introverts #lrnchat
11:20:33 am skiley1013: i know how to exercise, but that doesn’t mean i’m a personal trainer? #lrnchat
11:21:10 am JasonFane: Before I doing ID work, I did mkt work Its amazing how much they are alike (good design, and getting out a msg) #lrnchat
11:21:25 am JamesMcLuckie: @JudithELS I don’t disagree, but the right mindset is absolutely crucial in this field. That willingness to help others to learn. #lrnchat
11:21:36 am kuriousmind: @JasonFane @JudithELS @JamesMcLuckie #lrnchat “attributes, knowledge & skills” task analyze those domains and C it isn’t so simple!
11:21:36 am odguru: @mrch0mp3rs if clear that with your hammer and saw you can complete an appropriate single, instructional task, that’s good. #lrnchat
11:21:38 am TerrenceWing: @odguru Even introverts want to share when they are vested. They just need a comfortable vehicle. #lrnchat
11:21:42 am petersonandrew: @skiley1013 i know how to exercise, that doesn’t mean I do itπŸ™‚ #lrnchat
11:21:53 am skiley1013: @JasonFane and you still have to sell people on learning, too! #lrnchat
11:21:58 am JudithELS: RT @GillianP: @JudithELS sorry – got typo in #lrnchat response to you. Hope you saw it! <Sorry, it missed me by! #lrnchat
11:22:06 am kelly_smith01: I know how to tweet but that does not mmake me a bird. (Sorry, very sorry. I could not help it.) #lrnchat
11:22:17 am skiley1013: @petersonandrew don’t we all! #lrnchat
11:22:29 am JasonFane: @JamesMcLuckie I think having that the willingness to help will make you better at EVERYTHING, not just ID #lrnchat
11:22:35 am skiley1013: @kelly_smith01 lol! #lrnchat
11:22:41 am JudithELS: RT @JamesMcLuckie: @JudithELS I dont disagree, but the right mindset is absolutely crucial in this field <Absolutely. #lrnchat
11:23:03 am Yorkoga_TE: @odguru As an introvert, I finally got up the courage to respond #lrnchat
11:23:11 am odguru: @TerrenceWing Current client has 8 execs 7 of whom are 55+ introverts. Biggest issue is mindset – why would I collaborate? #lrnchat
11:23:38 am petersonandrew: ID seems like it means too many things to too many people. #lrnchat
11:23:41 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @JasonFane: Agreed, but I think it is more crucial in people-focussed professions. #lrnchat
11:23:45 am odguru: RT @Yorkoga_TE: As an introvert, I finally got up the courage to respond << LOL #lrnchat
11:24:29 am mrch0mp3rs: In action, I’ve seen Instructional Designers as project managers; very different from Instructional Designers who, you know, design #lrnchat
11:24:42 am StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What departments could benefit from instructional design and why? #lrnchat
11:24:44 am TerrenceWing: @odguru What are the stakes? Put them in survival mode to stimulate collaboration. #lrnchat
11:24:48 am JasonFane: @JamesMcLuckie I think all professions have become people focused. Everyone today works as members of a team. #lrnchat
11:24:54 am odguru: @JamesMcLuckie @JasonFane ID/collab critical in knowledge intense industries too tho – engineering, science, IT #lrnchat
11:25:07 am kuriousmind: @odguru @TerrenceWing #lrnchat get 2 introverts collaborating and ‘producing’ value, others will likely follow lead-Teach/Design by example
11:25:20 am JaneBozarth: Hello everyone. Dropping in late. What up? #lrnchat
11:25:33 am JasonFane: @mrch0mp3rs My boss has been bumped to a mgmt position, when all she wants to do is create. #lrnchat
11:25:44 am StephanieDaul: The last decade was about the technology, this decade is about the people #lrnchat
11:25:49 am lrnchat: Q3) How has rapid elearning changed the instructional field? #lrnchat
11:26:06 am JamesMcLuckie: @JasonFane: They may work IN teams, Jason … not so convinced that everyone works AS teams. #lrnchat
11:26:09 am JudithELS: RT @mrch0mp3rs:Ive seen ID’ers as project managers; very different from ID’ers who design <require diff/additional skills for this #lrnchat
11:26:20 am TerrenceWing: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How has rapid elearning changed the instructional field? #lrnchat
11:26:28 am JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How has rapid elearning changed the instructional field? #lrnchat
11:26:30 am sguditus: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How has rapid elearning changed the instructional field? #lrnchat
11:26:37 am petersonandrew: @JasonFane Some of the best developers I know work best in a box with an occasional twinkie thrown in. #lrnchat
11:26:38 am odguru: @TerrenceWing ah indeed wise one. It’s a board of trade:stakes r big but it’s v. complicated business;biggest issue is succession.. #lrnchat
11:26:46 am Yorkoga_TE: Q3 Poorly designed training is avaialble faster #lrnchat
11:26:47 am CanadianPacMan: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How has rapid elearning changed the instructional field? #lrnchat
11:26:47 am JasonFane: @JamesMcLuckie I can agree to that.πŸ˜€ ….sigh…team projects. #lrnchat
11:26:48 am skiley1013: agreed! but that’s everyone’s job in a recession RT @petersonandrew: ID seems like it means too many things to too many people. #lrnchat
11:26:51 am Callooh: Value individual performances and show how the pieces fit together for the team. Introverts like results & accountability. #lrnchat
11:26:55 am mrch0mp3rs: @JudithELS And their potential for helping other parts of an organization changes as a result, but the expectations don’t #lrnchat
11:26:56 am dbolen: @mrch0mp3rs ID as PM, there’s a discipline in PM that would benefit ISDers #lrnchat
11:27:01 am petersonandrew: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How has rapid elearning changed the instructional field? #lrnchat
11:27:05 am TerrenceWing: @kuriousmind Collaboration always starts with two #lrnchat
11:27:05 am StephanieDaul: Q3) Just because we can now do it fast doesn’t mean you can get rid of a good design #lrnchat
11:27:07 am sguditus: Q3) Lifelong learning has become more of a necessity than a luxury. #lrnchat
11:27:27 am JamesMcLuckie: @JasonFane: I know … sometimes a charm …. somtimes a curse.πŸ˜‰ #lrnchat
11:27:27 am JasonFane: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How has rapid elearning changed the instructional field? #lrnchat
11:27:30 am britz: RT @skiley1013: q2) does anyone *not* benefit from learning? #lrnchat / yes, when what they learned is wrong. Now unlearning is the benefit
11:27:30 am skiley1013: @petersonandrew clarification: everyone’s job becomes more diversified as we are asked to do more with less resources/people/etc. #lrnchat
11:27:34 am CanadianPacMan: Q3) It has reduced & even removed true interactivity within elearning courses. Lots of reading, less interaction. #lrnchat
11:27:42 am petersonandrew: information is consumed so fast, there’s not enough time to make it taste good. #lrnchat
11:27:48 am JudithELS: Q3) It’s brought new challenges for those who are good but also led to poor learning experiences for those who aren’t #lrnchat
11:27:57 am kuriousmind: Q3) #lrnchat – rapid elearning influence – accelerates design & learning, sometimes haste makes waste though
11:28:04 am StephanieDaul: RT @sguditus: Q3) Lifelong learning has become more of a necessity than a luxury. #lrnchat
11:28:13 am rec54: @mrch0mp3rs When trying to hire Inst Designers we always get a bunch applications from project managers who don’t see a difference #lrnchat
11:28:21 am mrch0mp3rs: @dbolen agreed, but ISD who’s really a PM is only identifiable to other ISDs; anyone with the title is assumed equivalent outside. #lrnchat
11:28:39 am odguru: Q3) rapid elearning has created even more conviction from internal clients that we have pixy dust to solve business issues #lrnchat
11:28:43 am TerrenceWing: Rap eLearning did to training what ppt did to it a couple of decades ago. Created another vehicle for good and bad trng #lrnchat
11:28:53 am mrch0mp3rs: RT @rec54: When trying to hire Inst Designers we always get a bunch applications from project managers who don’t see a difference #lrnchat
11:28:56 am kelly_smith01: Will read transcript have to prepare for a phone call #lrnchat
11:29:00 am JasonFane: Q3.) Rapid Development has turned an ID into a trainer. -> (This is how you fill out your course template) #lrnchat
11:29:09 am mrch0mp3rs: @rec54 EXACTLY! #lrnchat
11:29:14 am JudithELS: Q3) Rapid elearning has its place & its challenges but it should not be seen as the be-all & end-all #lrnchat
11:29:25 am sguditus: Chats: Case in Point! RT @petersonandrew: information is consumed so fast, there’s not enough time to make it taste good. #lrnchat
11:29:34 am Yorkoga_TE: Q3 – Power corrupts, powerpoint corrupts absolutely #lrnchat
11:29:50 am LizPreedy: RT @TerrenceWing: Rap eL did to training what ppt did to it a couple of decades ago. Created another vehicle for good and bad trng #lrnchat
11:30:22 am petersonandrew: @mrch0mp3rs I think that’s the key, ID means something different to HR, to Teachers, to students, to parents, to observers #lrnchat
11:30:23 am Callooh: People talk about just-in time learning and don’t seem to realize u can’t learn everything in 5 min, esp.in the sciences/high tech #lrnchat
11:30:25 am mrch0mp3rs: What rapid did was fulfill a vision — allow anyone to create elearning content. No one envisioned it’d be PowerPoint. #lrnchat
11:30:27 am z_rose: Very nice analogy! RT @petersonandrew information is consumed so fast, there’s not enough time to make it taste good. #lrnchat
11:30:33 am JamesMcLuckie: Q3. Very bad when people just shove a PPT through an authoring tool and call it “learning”. #lrnchat
11:30:34 am StephanieDaul: Q3) Rapid elearning has allowed us to developed good learning in smaller chunks – it’s not all doom & gloom #lrnchat
11:30:43 am sguditus: Q3) Information consumption is so quick, we don’t take time to reflect and process…but blogs are a good model for others/students #lrnchat
11:30:53 am JudithELS: RT @Yorkoga_TE: Q3 – Power corrupts, powerpoint corrupts absolutely <I couldn’t agree more with you #lrnchat
11:30:57 am odguru: RT @petersonandrew information is consumed so fast, there’s not enough time to make it taste good. #lrnchat
11:31:07 am TerrenceWing: The ROI of technology is only as good as its users. Bad design=Bad ROI. Great design increases ROI potential #lrnchat
11:31:20 am CanadianPacMan: RT @Yorkoga_TE: Q3 – Power corrupts, powerpoint corrupts absolutely #lrnchat <- LOL and I’m a big user of PPT in the class
11:31:25 am dbolen: @mrch0mp3rs true PM title gets more respect #lrnchat
11:31:32 am JamesMcLuckie: Can be very good for compliance training and bite-sized learning. Also, pre-work or part of a blended solution. #lrnchat
11:31:38 am JasonFane: Rapid development has allowed us to create richer content in less time. We use HTML+CSS templates, and tools like #articulate. #lrnchat
11:31:44 am KathiEdwards: RT @z_rose: Very nice analogy! RT @petersonandrew information is consumed so fast, there’s not enough time to make it taste good. #lrnchat
11:31:46 am mrch0mp3rs: What rapid allowed is like how the web opened up “publishing.” It doesn’t make those who can publish journalists. #lrnchat
11:31:47 am dbolen: RT @Yorkoga_TE: Q3 – Power corrupts, powerpoint corrupts absolutely #lrnchat
11:31:48 am StephanieDaul: Q3) it also allowed poor IDs to develop more bad learning #lrnchat
11:31:58 am JudithELS: RT @StephanieDaul: Q3) Rapid elearning has allowed us to developed good learning in smaller chunks <but that’s what I’ve always do #lrnchat
11:32:23 am StephanieDaul: RT @dbolen: @mrch0mp3rs true PM title gets more respect <because the business knows what a PM is – not so clear on ID> #lrnchat
11:32:58 am Yorkoga_TE: @StephanieDaul And good ID to make good training faster #lrnchat
11:33:01 am JasonFane: Only in the wrong hands – >RT @dbolen: RT @Yorkoga_TE: Q3 – Power corrupts, powerpoint corrupts absolutely #lrnchat
11:33:07 am mrch0mp3rs: To put my SCORM hat on, it was always thought that better authoring tools would come along. Rapid tools are great… but… #lrnchat
11:33:22 am TerrenceWing: Tech often allows more of the same but the same nonetheless. The question is what equals “same” in the org #lrnchat
11:33:36 am StephanieDaul: @JudithELS Now you can develop 5 mins and not hire someone to develop the same content into 40 min because they need an better ROI #lrnchat
11:33:42 am TerrenceWing: @mrch0mp3rs Always a but #lrnchat
11:33:45 am z_rose: Agreed @Callooh. ‘Just-in-time learning’ isn’t so hot. Vitamin pills are no substitute for good diet, just as a supplement to one #lrnchat
11:33:53 am mrch0mp3rs: …because the tools became more accessible, an unintended translation was that less skill was needed to wield the tools. #lrnchat
11:33:55 am JudithELS: RT @StephanieDaul: Q3) it also allowed poor IDs to develop more bad learning <that’s my view too. #lrnchat
11:33:56 am JasonFane: I wish that rapid development means more quality same courses, usually it just means more courses. #lrnchat
11:33:59 am Yorkoga_TE: @mrch0mp3rs Agree, they all seem to be different brands of vanilla #lrnchat
11:34:06 am CanadianPacMan: As ID know, dissemination of information does NOT equal training. Wrap a PPT in an online lesson does not equal learning. #lrnchat
11:34:26 am dbolen: Q3) Rapid allows some good stuff faster but also vice versa #lrnchat
11:35:09 am JasonFane: Can I get an amen? RT @dbolen: Q3) Rapid allows some good stuff faster but also vice versa #lrnchat
11:35:12 am mrch0mp3rs: In fact, to author good eLearning, Instructional Design isn’t enough. Graphic Design, User Experience Design needed #lrnchat
11:35:12 am LizPreedy: Absolutely RT @dbolen: Q3) Rapid allows some good stuff faster but also vice versa #lrnchat
11:35:13 am TerrenceWing: Find great designers and the tools like Rapid will make their impact exponential #lrnchat
11:35:14 am kuriousmind: RT @StephanieDaul: Q3) it also allowed poor IDs to develop more bad learning #lrnchat
11:35:15 am sifowler: <driveby> hi everyone, in London England but no time for #lrnchat sadly. Only have time for a pint of warm beer followed by pie and chips.
11:35:30 am ImagiRaven: @petersonandrew @mrch0mp3rs 2 cents – ASTD’s CPLP can be used to differentiate Instructional Designers from all imposters #lrnchat
11:35:35 am JudithELS: @StephanieDaul I’ve always taken the view with elearning that it should be delivered in small bite-sized chunks to be effective #lrnchat
11:35:40 am Yorkoga_TE: RT @TerrenceWing: Find great designers and the tools like Rapid will make their impact exponential #lrnchat
11:36:20 am sguditus: Q3) Twitter chat, though a rapid consumption of info, has revolutionized how I approach my own PD. #lrnchat
11:36:20 am petersonandrew: rapid development = paint by numbers. You can tell what the picture is, but all creativity is removed. #lrnchat
11:36:27 am mrch0mp3rs: Question: how would one know if they’re a bad designer? #lrnchat
11:36:31 am JasonFane: @mrch0mp3rs I agree, it’s why our department consist of myself (the techie) my boss (the ID) and my coworker (the graphic designer) #lrnchat
11:36:34 am dbolen: @sifowler Cheers #lrnchat
11:36:37 am JamesMcLuckie: @CanadianPacMan: Think that is equally true of F2F, though. Have seen many sessions where “trainer” just stands and talks at me. #lrnchat
11:36:47 am JudithELS: RT @mrch0mp3rs: To author good eLearning, ID isnt enough. Graphic Design, User Experience Design needed <which sh’d involve the ID #lrnchat
11:37:08 am TerrenceWing: @JudithELS @stephanieDaul Re: Bite size pieces: Isn’t that true of all training. Should ILT be more than bite size? #lrnchat
11:37:10 am Callooh: @CanadianPacMan Agreed Wrapping a bad ppt prezi in flash doesn’t make it better. On the other hand, it’s the prezi not the tool…#lrnchat
11:37:26 am JasonFane: @mrch0mp3rs bad designer can be measured by learning. (take pre quiz and post quiz) compare results to other designers. #lrnchat
11:37:27 am JudithELS: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Question: how would one know if theyre a bad designer? <Because I tell ’em! #lrnchat
11:37:29 am briandusablon: Good question. Lack of evaluation and metrics = no proof. RT @mrch0mp3rs: Question: how would one know if theyre a bad designer? #lrnchat
11:37:41 am mrch0mp3rs: My point being that what you don’t know prevents you from having a framework to understand that which you don’t know. #lrnchat
11:37:46 am TerrenceWing: @mrch0mp3rs We can call it the ID team #lrnchat
11:38:01 am odguru: @sifowler hey there – hope you r well #lrnchat
11:38:09 am JasonFane: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Question: how would one know if theyre a bad designer? #lrnchat
11:38:38 am JudithELS: @mrch0mp3rs A little knowledge is a dangerous thing per se but even more so for ID #lrnchat
11:38:40 am Yorkoga_TE: Q3 the biggest impact is that good rapid developers expand their skills to improve the quality of the courses #lrnchat
11:38:44 am Rsuominen: Do we need slow-learning? @sguditus Q3) Information consumption is so quick, we don’t take time to reflect and process. #lrnchat
11:39:00 am petersonandrew: @mrch0mp3rs depends if you’re tenured or notπŸ™‚ (ducks) #lrnchat
11:39:08 am JasonFane: RT @TerrenceWing: @mrch0mp3rs We can call it the ID team <- That’s us were the Instructional Design and Development team on campus. #lrnchat
11:39:11 am mrch0mp3rs: @sifowler very jealous of your beer, pie and chips in the London air. #lrnchat
11:39:46 am TerrenceWing: @mrch0mp3rs Bad Designer=Poor ROI (all 5 levels), Poor use of design principles, Poor understanding of Adult Learning, etc #lrnchat
11:39:51 am StephanieDaul: @JudithELS I agree small chunks but there are too many vendors that will give you the 40 minutes to make more $$ #lrnchat
11:39:56 am LizPreedy: @Rsuominen We certainly need time to learn #lrnchat
11:40:10 am mrch0mp3rs: You can tell someone of their flaws, but even if they believe you, can accept it, might they lack to tools to improve? #lrnchat
11:40:11 am JamesMcLuckie: RT @JudithELS: @mrch0mp3rs A little knowledge is a dangerous thing per se but even more so for ID < Agrees #lrnchat
11:40:14 am briandusablon: Learning should be developed in such a manner to be accessed as a small, just-in-time chunks, or grouped to form something bigger. #lrnchat
11:40:23 am odguru: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @sifowler very jealous of your beer, pie and chips in the London air.<< tho not sure about the warm beer part. #lrnchat
11:40:59 am JudithELS: RT @StephanieDaul: @JudithELS There are too many vendors that will give you the 40 minutes to make more $$ <oh, you cynic! #lrnchat
11:41:19 am odguru: @JaneBozarth Hey there! Covering the waterfront this morning #lrnchat
11:41:39 am moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Late I know, but may I humbly suggest that we don’t design “learning” but rather training or instruction..focus shifts
11:41:50 am TerrenceWing: @JasonFane Which campus? #lrnchat
11:42:38 am JudithELS: RT @moehlert: May I humbly suggest that we dont design “learning” but rather training or instruction..focus shifts <Correct IMHO #lrnchat
11:42:45 am mrch0mp3rs: So back to the question at hand — I think rapid development tools enabled a race to the middle that “standardized” elearning #lrnchat
11:42:54 am JasonFane: RT @TerrenceWing: @JasonFane Which campus? The University of Texas at San Antonio #lrnchat
11:43:36 am TerrenceWing: @odguru “wise one” I think I like that. As if my hat size wasn’t big enough. #lrnchat
11:43:43 am sifowler: @odguru @mrch0mp3rs admittedly, the warm beer took a while to get used to again #lrnchat
11:43:52 am Yorkoga_TE: @mrch0mp3rs So kind of each new coursse is better than the next one? #lrnchat
11:44:29 am JasonFane: RT @Yorkoga_TE: @mrch0mp3rs So kind of each new coursse is better than the next one? -> Waterfall development? #lrnchat
11:44:43 am mrch0mp3rs: Like it or not, there’s a shared understanding of what elearning looks like, what it costs to produce. Not like five years ago. #lrnchat
11:44:51 am Rsuominen: @LizPreedy First we had slow food, then slow travel, now slow-reading. guardiantech http://bit.ly/9m672x #lrnchat
11:44:53 am kuriousmind: @JasonFane #lrnchat How know if ineffective designer? At levels 3&4 on Kirkpatrick Four Levels model is indication of (in)effectiveness
11:45:04 am odguru: @moehlert Perhaps not if we r talking rapid elearning; designing learning is a lot of what we do: training not always involved #lrnchat
11:45:31 am mrch0mp3rs: @kuriousmind Mention of Kirkpatrick = DRINK #lrnchat
11:45:35 am petersonandrew: #lrnchat ahh debating words How about we design intellectual consumables customized to the individuals mental pallet (yeah, lunch time)
11:45:37 am JudithELS: RT @Yorkoga_TE: @mrch0mp3rs So kind of each new coursse is better than the next one? <& users become even more discerning #lrnchat
11:46:03 am odguru: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @kuriousmind Mention of Kirkpatrick = DRINK #lrnchat
11:46:04 am TerrenceWing: Do we design learning or facilitate it? #lrnchat
11:46:26 am JudithELS: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @kuriousmind Mention of Kirkpatrick = DRINK <YES, doesn’t ADDIE qualify for another one too? #lrnchat
11:46:35 am amykoss: Say it isn’t so! RT @dbolen: Q0) learning that my preference for physical books is waning, really like reading on iPad #lrnchat
11:46:35 am LizPreedy: @TerrenceWing Facilitate #lrnchat
11:47:03 am mrch0mp3rs: @JudithELS If I had to drink for every mention of ADDIE, I’d be hammered. #lrnchat
11:47:06 am petersonandrew: i am not aware of the #lrnchat drinking rules, someone has failed me.
11:47:08 am StephanieDaul: RT @TerrenceWing: Do we design learning or facilitate it? <facilitate> #lrnchat
11:47:35 am TerrenceWing: @LizPreedy I think I agree with you but there seems to be much debate about it. #lrnchat
11:47:43 am lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
11:47:46 am kuriousmind: #lrnchat Kirkpatrick ADDIE.. Drink Drink!!!πŸ˜‰ — hey, I’m new to your tweetersation, be inviting.
11:47:50 am odguru: @TerrenceWing: design learning or facilitate it? < both. i.e. design year long process where ppl r put in situations & get coaching #lrnchat
11:47:53 am bschlenker: RT @JaneBozarth: Hello everyone. Dropping in late. What up? <<me too – looks interesting!>> #lrnchat
11:47:57 am JasonFane: @petersonandrew Every time a learning method is mentioned, you drink. #lrnchat
11:47:58 am dbolen: RT @StephanieDaul: RT @TerrenceWing: Do we design learning or facilitate it? <facilitate> YES #lrnchat
11:47:58 am mrch0mp3rs: @StephanieDaul @TerrenceWing we can design learning experiences. We can facilitate learning. #lrnchat
11:48:28 am Callooh: I think we do both. Learners need context. We can provide the context and facilitate their interactions with it. @StephanieDaul. #lrnchat.
11:48:35 am LizPreedy: They learnt me nothing said the child. Who was at fault here? #lrnchat
11:49:00 am StephanieDaul: RT @TerrenceWing: @LizPreedy I think I agree with you but there seems to be much debate about it. <diff btwn good ID?> #lrnchat
11:49:19 am cammybean: Rapid elearning tools have democratized elearning – put it in the hands of orgs that might not have been able to have it otherwise #lrnchat
11:49:20 am JudithELS: RT @petersonandrew: i am not aware of the #lrnchat drinking rules, someone has failed me. <Don’t know them all, only what I’ve seen #lrnchat
11:49:29 am JasonFane: RT @TerrenceWing: Do we design learning or facilitate it? We use ID to design the course then the subject matter expert facilitates #lrnchat
11:49:31 am JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
11:49:34 am StephanieDaul: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @StephanieDaul @TerrenceWing we can design learning experiences. We can facilitate learning. <agree> #lrnchat
11:49:41 am Yorkoga_TE: RT @odguru: RT @Yorkoga_TE: As an introvert, I finally got up the courage to respond << LOL, I have more on this topic #lrnchat
11:49:50 am petersonandrew: anything can be a learning method, it’s up to the student to recognize it. #lrnchat
11:49:55 am TerrenceWing: @StephanieDaul @LizPreedy SInce facilitate, where does ADDIE or any ISD Model accomodate? I believe it can, but where? #lrnchat
11:50:11 am LizPreedy: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @StephanieDaul @TerrenceWing we can design learning experiences. We can facilitate learning. <agree> #lrnchat
11:50:20 am odguru: @Yorkoga_TE Let’s have it #lrnchat
11:50:33 am bschlenker: qwrap) Brent Schlenker – Phx”monsoon”AZ – DevLearn2010 – The New Face of Learning – It will blow your mind! #dl10 #lrnchat
11:50:36 am TerrenceWing: @JasonFane Good point #lrnchat
11:50:51 am moehlert: @Stevehoward999 #lrnchat That’s great. Doesn’t change the fact that you can’t “build Learning”
11:50:53 am bschlenker: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @StephanieDaul @TerrenceWing we can design learning experiences. We can facilitate learning. #lrnchat
11:50:56 am Yorkoga_TE: @odguru You may have to wait until next week. #lrnchat
11:51:08 am JudithELS: Qwrap) Judith C-C (see christian-carter.blogspot.com for ID stuff) saying goodbye & thanks to all for a splendid #lrnchat
11:51:13 am StephanieDaul: @TerrenceWing I think you design for the faciliation and the experience #lrnchat
11:51:14 am mrch0mp3rs: Aiight, kids, I’m Aaron Silvers, you not quite humble ADL Community Manager. I got your SCORM right hereπŸ˜‰ #lrnchat
11:51:20 am petersonandrew: andrew peterson, game based learning junkie, west shore community college #lrnchat
11:51:21 am CanadianPacMan: Qwrap)Phil Cowcill, Coordinator @ Canadore College, long time multimedia developer (84) & teacher (95). Love Dev, PM & ID. #lrnchat
11:51:56 am Rsuominen: Course design is always a demanding creative process. @mrch0mp3rs To author good eLearning, Instructional Design isn’t enough. #lrnchat
11:52:13 am JasonFane: Jason Fane, technologist at the Instructional Design and Development group at the University of Texas at San Antonio. #lrnchat
11:52:22 am StephanieDaul: QWrap) Stephanie Daul, ID, Chicago, designing great experiences for the learners #lrnchat
11:52:29 am petersonandrew: @mrch0mp3rs at least your violence is standardized. #lrnchat
11:52:45 am JudithELS: Qwrap) Shameful plug again: http://christian-carter.blogspot.com/ where I wax lyrical about many ID issues. #lrnchat
11:52:50 am odguru: Christy Pettit OD Consultant – Love big problems – setting em up and knockin em down. Intersted in collab on succession mgmt. #lrnchat
11:53:00 am Rsuominen: RT @StephanieDaul: RT @mrch0mp3rs @StephanieDaul @TerrenceWing we can design learning experiences. We can facilitate learning. #lrnchat
11:53:03 am moehlert: @odguru IMHO, u can design opportunities for learning but if we could actually make ppl learn, the world would b a diff place #lrnchat
11:53:04 am LizPreedy: Qwrap – sorry I’ll miss next week the questions look interesting. Today was too!!! #lrnchat
11:53:14 am odguru: @Yorkoga_TE Look fwd to it. #lrnchat
11:53:35 am Yorkoga_TE: Garth, Design Technologist, Chicago, #lrnchat
11:53:41 am briandusablon: QWrap) Brian Dusablon, Performance Consultant, Kingwood (Houston), Texas. I’m here to help. #lrnchat
11:53:55 am moehlert: RT @TerrenceWing: Do we design learning or facilitate it? #lrnchat Facilitate. Period. Have you EVER made someone learn something?
11:54:05 am JasonFane: @moehlert We can’t MAKE people learn, until it’s a downloadable format that plug’s into our head…the Matrix anyone? #lrnchat
11:54:33 am dbolen: Qwrap) Don Bolen ATL PM, learning strategist #lrnchat
11:54:38 am odguru: @moehlert Indeed, the horse and water. Take the blue pill! #lrnchat
11:54:45 am kuriousmind: Qwrap) Lisa Marie Johnson – just another carbon based ID4DL – thanks for the brainfood #lrnchat
11:55:12 am Rsuominen: Thanks for the discussion. – Riitta Suominen from Tampere, Finland – eTeacher, Course Designer, Writer. #lrnchat
11:55:50 am Holly_Harkness: Qwrap) Holly in ATL — instructional designer disguised as a technical communicator (or visa versa). Just listening today. Thanks #lrnchat.
11:55:57 am moehlert: @odguru #lrnchat @jasonfane Right! So we should focus on designing experiences and not curating content.
11:56:42 am TerrenceWing: Terrence Wing, Los Angeles, Leadership Dev & Team Perform @ www.LiquidLearn.com DevLearn2010 Preconf Speaker http://bit.ly/b2UdVU #lrnchat
11:57:11 am odguru: @moehlert @TerrenceWing semantics, but design doesn’t infer we make people DO anything. A house design is the design not the build #lrnchat
11:57:39 am SharonGaskin: RT @JudithELS: http://bit.ly/ank2Bk where I wax lyrical about many ID issues. #lrnchat >>> Nice blog
11:58:22 am lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls invite others next week & tell us if you blog about the conversation. http://j.mp/lrnchat
11:58:22 am JasonFane: @moehlert Yes, the subject matter expert (professor) is responsible for the content ID is responsible for the experience #lrnchat
11:58:25 am mrch0mp3rs: @moehlert Ummmm. I’d argue we should probably do both. #lrnchat
11:58:39 am cammybean: Cammy Bean. Greater Boston. Cautioning IDs everywhere against the overuse of buzzwords. #lrnchat

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