Transcript 3-June 2010 (Early)

04:30:00 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
04:30:02 pm ghenrick: I will be participating in #lrnchat for the next 90 minutes. Feel free to join us. #lrnchat
04:30:47 pm lizkingevents: RT @virtualedge: RT @Jeffhurt: 5 Perspectives In Learning & Events by @samueljsmith #eventprofs #lrnchat http://ow.ly/1TcWw
04:31:29 pm spectrain: RT @barryshieldsnc: If you know by doing, you will not have a gap between what you know and what you do. #actionlearning #lrnchat #isd #lrn3d
04:32:10 pm sifowler: I’ll be in #lrnchast for next 90 mins … or maybe 30 and being rude for the following 60 while I join @insynctraining grad reunion #lrnchat
04:32:19 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
04:32:32 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
04:33:35 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
04:34:31 pm c4lpt: #lrnchat Jane Hart tweeting from my new iPad in the garden of my house I
Nr Bath in England
04:35:09 pm LandDDave: @c4lpt That just sounds like heaven. #lrnchat
04:35:15 pm lrnchat: 4) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com , http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well
04:35:29 pm drtimony: David Timony, K12 educator, teacher prep prof, cognitive researcher–Philadelphia
Go FLYERS #lrnchat
04:35:46 pm dannymaas: Ok, I’m really jealous🙂 RT @c4lpt: #lrnchat Jane Hart tweeting from my new iPad in the garden of my house INr Bath in England
04:35:51 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you‚Äöre talking about & they can chime in too. #lrnchat
04:35:52 pm c4lpt: @LandDDave it is #lrnchat
04:36:12 pm jfeez: I’ll be in #lrnchat for the next 30 minutes so expect a few more tweets than normal. #lrnchat
04:36:19 pm 2GFred: Fred Stevens- Focusing on coaching personal growth & speech communication. Happy to join in as my birthday treat – er – tweet. #lrnchat
04:36:25 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat Andrew Peterson, game based learning junkie, West Shore Community College
04:36:48 pm torriedunlap: RT @c4lpt: #lrnchat Jane Hart tweeting from my new iPad in the garden of my house INr Bath in England Jealous! iPad, garden and Bath!
04:36:54 pm LandDDave: David Kelly, Training Director for NYC Bank, passionate learner. I’d say Go NY Islanders, but really, what’s the point? #lrnchat
04:36:58 pm sifowler: Simon Fowler, R&D at Forum Corp, Boston.
generally unable to switch of brain and curiosity, which I’m kinda glad about #lrnchat
04:37:14 pm lrnchat: 6) On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really.
04:37:29 pm lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too #lrnchat
04:38:02 pm torriedunlap: RT @2GFred: Fred Stevens- Happy to join in as my birthday treat – er – tweet. #lrnchat Happy Birthday!!
04:38:45 pm lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:38:49 pm 2GFred: @torriedunlap Thanks! #lrnchat
04:39:00 pm c4lpt: @2GFred happy birthday #lrnchat
04:39:08 pm LandDDave: @2GFred Happy Birthday! #lrnchat
04:39:28 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
04:39:40 pm 2GFred: I’ve learned that teaching is the best form of learning #lrnchat
04:40:16 pm sifowler: RT @2GFred: Ive learned that teaching is the best form of learning #lrnchat
04:40:18 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat I’m currently playing http://www.3rdworldfarmer.com/ and learning about the challenges of farming in the third world.
04:40:46 pm ghenrick: Gavin from Enovation Solutions in Ireland, tweeting on iPhone in decadent sunshine #lrnchat
04:40:47 pm jfeez: John Feser, partner a Float Mobile Learning, Central Illinois, interested in mobile technologies and HPI. #Lrnchat
04:40:56 pm drtimony: Q0: I’ve learned that there is little end in sight for the quantity and quality of bad decisions that can be made by some people #lrnchat
04:41:01 pm torriedunlap: Q0) Spent Memorial Day in the forest and learned the healing power of nature. #lrnchat
04:41:03 pm InSyncEU: #lrnchat – David Smith, Leeds West Yorkshire – Helping Trainers/Designers/Companies to be more effective in the live online classroom
04:41:08 pm RebeccaLeaRay: Listen to the Voices of Measuring & Evaluating Training: Patti Phillips http://bit.ly/9vdMR1 #training #lrnchat #clomag #hr #roi #ama
04:41:42 pm sifowler: I’ve learned that it’s necessary to know how rules/structures/authority enable freedom FOR something (e.g. the OpenSource movement) #lrnchat
04:41:50 pm RonEdwards: RT @RonEdwards: @lrnchat I produce #ar learning apps and enterprise vw apps in london, for mostly eu clients…forgot #lrnchat tag.
04:41:52 pm LandDDave: Q0) Today I reinforced my belief that I can learn alot through the back channel. Check out #iel2010 2 follow the conference tweets #lrnchat
04:42:08 pm jfeez: Q0) I’ve learned that when you write, you learn. #Lrnchat
04:42:29 pm TriciaRansom: What’s the topic this week? #lrnchat
04:42:30 pm cmartell: outside Portland Oregon, create visual tools @visualsspeak #lrnchat
04:42:48 pm c4lpt: I’ve learned that having an iPad means u can chill out and still be connected at the same time #lrnchat
04:42:50 pm evemarfil: RT @c4lpt #lrnchat starting in 10 mins. Topic is blended worlds (augmented reality and virtual worlds) #psdadmin
04:43:39 pm DonaldHTaylor: Don Taylor from London. Just finished giving a face-to-face workshop on delivering webinars. Learnt rather a lot from my audience! #lrnchat
04:43:53 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, ISD (and sometimes telecom) Consultant, North Texas, lurking 2day, have Noon meeting #lrnchat
04:44:07 pm 2GFred: RT @jfeez: Q0) Ive learned that when you write, you learn. #lrnchat
04:44:21 pm InSyncEU: RT @sifowler: I’ll be in #lrnchast for next 90 mins … or maybe 30 and being rude for the following 60 while I join @insynctraining grad reunion #lrnchat
04:44:51 pm cmartell: I’m learning to never underestimate how much support people need to try new things #lrnchat
04:44:55 pm c4lpt: @TriciaRansom topic is blended worlds #lrnchat
04:45:45 pm petersonandrew: RT @cmartell: I’m learning to never underestimate how much support people need to try new things #lrnchat
04:45:53 pm lrnchat: Q1: how do ARGs and VWs augment real or virtual reality to support learning? #lrnchat
04:46:47 pm TriciaRansom: @c4lpt thanks! #lrnchat
04:46:50 pm sifowler: Q0) I learned from @briggzay that ‘fluency’ is more than knowing “how to use”, it includes knowing “when”, “how else?” #lrnchat
04:47:11 pm kellyphr: RT @cmartell: outside Portland Oregon, create visual tools @visualsspeak #lrnchat
04:47:22 pm 2GFred: Q1: They can create a safer environment for commenting and participating. #lrnchat
04:47:24 pm JudithELS: #lrnchat Would love to join you all but work prevents. V jealous of @c41pt and her iPad. Have a good discussion all.
04:47:26 pm larshyland: Lars Hyland, Director at Brightwave, e-learning specialists in the UK, blogger at http://bit.ly/ctwlK0 #lrnchat
04:47:27 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q1: how do ARGs and VWs augment real or virtual reality to support learning? #lrnchat
04:47:28 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat experience is a part of learning, ARGs and VWs expand the ability of classrooms to offer experience as part of the classroom
04:48:30 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q1: how do ARGs and VWs augment real or virtual reality to support learning? #lrnchat
04:48:41 pm sifowler: Q1) probably need to distinguish features of ARGs and VWs to answer this; but, main thing for learning is ‘immersion’ #lrnchat
04:48:56 pm larshyland: yup – note-taking proven to enhance learning effectiveness RT @2GFred: RT @jfeez: Q0) Ive learned that when you write, you learn. #lrnchat
04:49:16 pm c4lpt: RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat experience is a part of learning, ARGs and VWs expand the ability of classrooms to offer experience as part of the classroom
04:49:43 pm ghenrick: RT @lrnchat: Q1: how do ARGs and VWs augment real or virtual reality to support learning? #lrnchat
04:50:38 pm sahana2802: Sahana, Pune, India. Instructional designer and learner, Glad to join #lrnchat.
04:50:48 pm amphiboly: @sifowler #lrnchat Q1) “need to distinguish features of ARGs and VWs…main thing is … ‘immersion'” <– and being able to return and retry
04:51:06 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @lrnchat: Q1: how do ARGs and VWs augment real or virtual reality to support learning? #lrnchat
04:51:09 pm larshyland: Q1) #lrnchat ARGs support performance more than learning in itself
04:51:12 pm sahana2802: RT @sifowler: Q1) probably need to distinguish features of ARGs and VWs to answer this; but, main thing for learning is 'immersion' #lrnchat
04:51:22 pm sifowler: Q1) ARG/VW provides environment where people feel/think/decide/act in ways that create recall/behavioral 'triggers' for Real Life #lrnchat
04:52:14 pm sifowler: yesyes RT @amphiboly: @sifowler #lrnchat Q1) "ARGs and VWs…main thing is … immersion" <– and being able to return and retry #lrnchat
04:52:24 pm LandDDave: Q1) Using a slightly altered version of a real setting enables us to create an ideal enviroment or scenario for learning #lrnchat
04:52:45 pm amphiboly: @sifowler #lrnchat Q1) "ARG/VW provides environment … creates recall/behavioral 'triggers' for Real Life" <- Very important!
04:52:49 pm larshyland: Q1) #lrnchat VWs potentially distort experience and create transfer issues
04:53:23 pm LandDDave: @mrch0mp3rs Hello there – wasn't expecting you to be able to join us today. Thanks for ther great #iel2010 back channel tweets #lrnchat
04:53:26 pm sahana2802: Q0: Learned tht asking wth clarity & persistence for what I want is one of the key skills needed to move toward where I want to be #lrnchat
04:53:55 pm larshyland: Agree regards VW – ARG can be dangerous! RT @2GFred: Q1: They can create a safer environment for commenting and participating. #lrnchat
04:53:56 pm jay_a_allen: A: Making linkages in the mind 2 build expertise. RT @lrnchat: Q1: how do ARGs and VWs augment reality to support learning? #lrnchat
04:54:31 pm sifowler: but really ALL training should/can do this RT @sifowler: Q1) ARG/VW … enable recall/behavioral triggers for Real Life #lrnchat
04:54:47 pm ghenrick: Q1) you can experience the lesson but with "safety" net of reality, and the the ability to retry with little or no downtime/cost. #lrnchat
04:54:51 pm amphiboly: @LandDDave #lrnchat "ideal enviroment or scenario for learning" <– focus attention to specific variables (reducing noise/increasing signal)
04:55:02 pm drtimony: Q1: possibilities exist to improve memory through method of loci #lrnchat
04:55:16 pm mrch0mp3rs: @LandDDave I can't join #lrnchat today, but our @bschlenker is rocking the crowd right mow. SRO in his presentation.
04:55:28 pm larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat – controlling variables in VW can help stage learning experience in complex scenarios.
04:55:34 pm gregbamford: #lrnchat Please define "ARG"? I think I'm good on "VW." Thanks!
04:55:59 pm sifowler: can you say more about 'loci'? RT @drtimony: Q1: possibilities exist to improve memory through method of loci #lrnchat
04:56:02 pm ghenrick: Q1) cont… this enables creativity in approach to learning, and problem solving. #lrnchat
04:56:22 pm amphiboly: @sifowler #lrnchat "but really ALL training should/can do [enable recall/behavioral triggers for Real Life] <- Important & sometimes missed
04:56:36 pm c4lpt: @gregbamford augmented reality game #lrnchat
04:56:50 pm larshyland: Augmented Reality Game RT @gregbamford: #lrnchat Please define "ARG"? I think I'm good on "VW." Thanks!
04:57:00 pm LandDDave: @mrch0mp3rs I can see from the back channel that @bschlenker 's presentation is a big hit. Enjoy It! #lrnchat
04:57:46 pm RonEdwards: @c4lpt lets not tether our thoughts on value/application to extending the (physical) classroom… #lrnchat
04:58:13 pm drtimony: @sifowler MofLoci mnemonic device used as a memory strategy. attach information to physical locations #lrnchat
04:58:16 pm amphiboly: @LandDDave @mrch0mp3rs I can see from the back channel that @bschlenker 's presentation is a big hit. #lrnchat <- Glad to hear this!
04:59:06 pm larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat ARG has potential to link physical location to intended actions – so when re-entering location triggers recall and action
04:59:31 pm sifowler: so VW/ARG needs to v closely resemble RL? RT @drtimony: @sifowler MofLoci mnemonic device..attach information to physical locations #lrnchat
04:59:47 pm c4lpt: @RonEdwards I'm just retweeting for my followers to comment if they wish #lrnchat
05:00:20 pm amphiboly: @DrTimony @sifowler "MofLoci mnemonic device used as a memory strategy." #lrnchat <- Any studies on this application's impact in OD?
05:00:31 pm 2GFred: Q1: Aren't many video games ARGs & VWs? Then are we identifying danger in the learning, transfer, distortion in those activities? #lrnchat
05:01:20 pm RonEdwards: @larshyland what do you base distortion risk on, Lars? #lrnchat
05:02:25 pm drtimony: @amphiboly such as? what are you thinking ITO impact? #lrnchat
05:03:47 pm amphiboly: @DrTimony @amphiboly "what are you thinking ITO impact?" #lrnchat <- applied to KM mainly, but behavior change in general.
05:05:51 pm lrnchat: Q2: What examples do you know, can you imagine, or would you like to see? #lrnchat
05:06:12 pm sahana2802: RT @lrnchat: Q2: What examples do you know, can you imagine, or would you like to see? #lrnchat
05:06:26 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2: What examples do you know, can you imagine, or would you like to see? #lrnchat
05:06:39 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q2: What examples do you know, can you imagine, or would you like to see? #lrnchat
05:06:50 pm drtimony: Consider games that take place in VR versions of RL places–GrandTheftAuto for example. Remove the 'bad' insert what you like. #lrnchat
05:07:07 pm ghenrick: RT @lrnchat: Q2: What examples do you know, can you imagine, or would you like to see? #lrnchat
05:07:32 pm SocialMediaBust: RT @rbacal: Anybody know if there are other virtual world type social media platforms besides SL?#lrnchat
05:08:29 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q2: What examples do you know, can you imagine, or would you like to see? #lrnchat
05:08:44 pm c4lpt: @SocialMediaBust lots #lrnchat
05:08:56 pm amphiboly: #lrnchat Q2: helping emerging leaders build "boardroom chops" in VW
05:09:05 pm drtimony: @SocialMediaBust There were some Wii games & PS3 games that included SM style components. Based around media exposure/game success #lrnchat
05:10:30 pm DonaldHTaylor: Q2: I'd like to see VLs for seeing the impossible by scale (a journey inside the human eye) or space (standing on surface of sun) #LRNChat
05:11:05 pm c4lpt: http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/janehart/12-x-3d-tools-for-education-training-collaboration try here @socialmediabust #lrnchat
05:11:18 pm DonaldHTaylor: Q2. would also like to see metaphorical experiential learning in VLs – space used to describe something non-physical #LRNChat
05:11:36 pm drtimony: @DonaldHTaylor google star? Hey, I can see my sunburn from here! #lrnchat
05:12:24 pm sifowler: RT @c4lpt: http://www.slideshare.net/mobile/janehart/12-x-3d-tools-for-education-training-collaboration try here @socialmediabust #lrnchat
05:12:59 pm amphiboly: @DonaldHTaylor #lrnchat "Q2: I'd like to see VLs for seeing the impossible by scale … or space" <- Or time.. teaching Latin in Imp. Rome
05:13:34 pm LandDDave: Q2) I often lead discussions about changes in banking over the years- would love 2 be able to have past/present VWs as comparisons. #lrnchat
05:13:51 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat Q1: by providing immersive environs for deep safe practice #lrnchat
05:14:04 pm RonEdwards: @lrnchat #lrnchat This discussion is blurring the distinction between #ar augmented reality and altermate reality GAMIMG req. GAME design.
05:14:08 pm 2GFred: Q2: I envision practice "rooms" for presentations/ideas where people get immediate, qualified, helpful feedback. #lrnchat
05:14:11 pm DonaldHTaylor: @Quinnovator "immersive environs for deep safe practice" – nicely expressed #lrnchat
05:14:14 pm fredsheahan: Fred Sheahan – online learning specialist at Harvard: #lrnchat Q2) ARG example in middle school: http://is.gd/cBbpe < very content driven
05:14:15 pm sifowler: Q2) a) would like 'real', nuanced, human-interaction situations b) 'overload' situations… stretch experiences tht can be repeated #lrnchat
05:14:20 pm 2GFred: RT @Quinnovator: @lrnchat Q1: by providing immersive environs for deep safe practice #lrnchat
05:15:16 pm DonaldHTaylor: @amphiboly Absolutely: VLs should provide a great environment for making the unreal real #lrnchat
05:15:22 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat Q2: want to see distributed concepts, annotated dynamic examples, meaningful practice #lrnchat
05:15:53 pm DonaldHTaylor: Apologies everyone, have to quit. Hope to brb. #lrnchat
05:16:26 pm amphiboly: @sifowler #lrnchat "real, nuanced, human-interaction sit-s…overload sit-s… stretch experiences tht can be repeated" <- Key is repetition
05:16:50 pm LandDDave: RT @Quinnovator: … meaningful practice <<The iphone/itouch app that does AR is great. Focused on tourism but easily adapted to education/training/jobsite #lrnchat
05:18:05 pm c4lpt: RT @drtimony: Q2=>The iphone/itouch app that does AR is great. Focused on tourism but easily adapted to education/training/jobsite #lrnchat
05:18:05 pm amphiboly: @quinnovator #lrnchat “dist. concepts, annttd dynamic examples, meanngful practice” <- how to create conditions for autonomous distribution?
05:19:57 pm drtimony: http://ow.ly/1TDFP
http://ow.ly/1TDF8
#lrnchat
05:20:50 pm sifowler: RT @Quinnovator: @lrnchat Q2: want to see distributed concepts, annotated dynamic examples, meaningful practice #lrnchat
05:21:23 pm Quinnovator: @amphiboly make explorable: signposts, paths, triggers #lrnchat
05:22:21 pm amphiboly: @Quinnovator "make explorable: signposts, paths, triggers" #lrnchat The iphone/itouch app that does AR is great. Focused on tourism but easily adapted to education/training/jobsite #lrnchat
05:39:30 pm drtimony: Q3: avoid workarounds of RL action–gameexample: best Wii bowling trick is overhead instead of underhand. Better not do that IRL! #lrnchat
05:39:39 pm c4lpt: Where’s @quinnovator for q3 #lrnchat
05:40:15 pm larshyland: Q3 #lrnchat ARGS – keep in mind real world – it’s unpredictable – and screen interface may obscure! (ie. watch out for the lamp posts)
05:41:00 pm c4lpt: RT @larshyland: Q3 #lrnchat ARGS – keep in mind real world – it’s unpredictable – and screen interface may obscure! (ie. watch out for the lamp posts)
05:44:24 pm SocialMediaBust: @c4lpt Thanks folks, I’ll check those out re: virtual worlds. #lrnchat
05:44:34 pm ASTDLA: Can U tell a story w/ your elearning courses. Articulate workshop 6/22 in LA at the Museum of Tolerance http://bit.ly/cVU3Jg #astd #lrnchat
05:45:36 pm sifowler: Q3) a first question for ARGs/VWs for our clients may be about cost/benefit vs other learning methods #lrnchat
05:48:48 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
05:49:20 pm c4lpt: @sifowler When are they the right solution? Good question #lrnchat
05:50:55 pm drtimony: David Timony k12educator, College prof, cognitive researcher & Expertise theorist.
follow or check out http://www.drtimony.com Thx! #lrnchat
05:51:00 pm larshyland: Lars Hyland, Director at Brightwave, e-learning specialists in the UK http://bit.ly/cmniqe and blogger at http://bit.ly/ctwlK0 #lrnchat
05:51:57 pm 2GFred: drtimony thanks for these links today! RT @drtimony: http://ow.ly/1TDFP http://ow.ly/1TDF8 #lrnchat
05:52:51 pm c4lpt: Qwrap) ok bye all thx for yr participation in #lrnchat – Jane hart still in the garden but now have a glass of wine as well
05:53:14 pm sifowler: Qwrap) Simon Fowler. Forum Corp’s new book: Strategic Speed (by slowing down & focusing on people): http://forum.com/strategicspeed #lrnchat
05:53:19 pm ASTDLA: #ASTDLA Webinar on Radiant Thinking & Mindmapping hosted by @2GFred on 6/23 12pm PT http://bit.ly/aJAzmb #astd #lrnchat #edchat #shrm #ispi
05:53:49 pm 2GFred: G Fred Stevens – Developing training in speech communication for the modern world. #lrnchat
05:55:26 pm DonaldHTaylor: Jane I’m extremely jealous of your idyllic situation. Hope to catch you all next week, thanks for the stimulating thoughts. #lrnchat
05:55:27 pm sifowler: I’m also blogging at http://sifowler.wordpress.com … check out 30 day series on relationships & relational thinking #lrnchat
05:56:23 pm sifowler: Thanks all. Looks like we have some learning to do on ARG/VW. Hopefully @koreenolbrish can join us next time #lrnchat
05:58:40 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls invite others next week & tell us if you blog about the conversation. http://j.mp/lrnchat
05:59:33 pm lrnchat: We’ll announce here as soon as the #lrnchat transcript is posted to the website.

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