Transcript 27-May 2010 (Early)

04:29:01 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
04:30:48 pm mrch0mp3rs: Apologies for the flood of learning related tweets about to hit, everyone. If interested, tune into #lrnchat
04:30:54 pm jkunrein: Here comes #lrnchat!
04:30:57 pm c4lpt: Tweets for next 1.5 hours will be #lrnchat related – do join in!
04:31:03 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
04:31:33 pm sifowler: Me me me me! Pick me! RT @mrch0mp3rs: Whos ready for #lrnchat
04:32:04 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
04:32:10 pm smitty1966: Sorry for the many tweets – just jumping into #lrnchat.
04:32:17 pm JudithELS: Apologies for a few tweets in the next 1.5 hours as it’s time for LearnChat. Please join us if you wish. #lrnchat
04:32:22 pm odguru: RT @c4lpt: Tweets for next 1.5 hours will be #lrnchat related – do join in! #lrnchat
04:32:36 pm LandDDave: Got my fresh cup of tea, and am now ready for 90 minutes of #lrnchat fun. Sorry for the excessive tweets, and feel free to join us!
04:32:38 pm mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, “fabulous and nerdy” and putting the unity in the community for ADL. Chicago, IL. #lrnchat
04:32:44 pm StephanieDaul: Stephanie Daul, Chicago, Instruction Designer, elearning, different way to learn #lrnchat
04:32:47 pm odguru: Christy, Guelph Canada – popping in for a quick #lrnchat
04:32:59 pm c4lpt: 1) I’m Jane Hart – this week my title is CEO, Centre for Learning & Performance Technologies http://c4lpt.co.uk #lrnchat
04:33:03 pm sifowler: Great chat coming up for 1.5 hrs on learning & design. Gotta a mtg half an hr into it, malheureuse, but will hope to stay here. #lrnchat
04:33:03 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat Andrew Peterson, Michigan, Game Based Learning Junkie
04:33:08 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
04:33:22 pm mbprins: Bob Prins, Agoura Hills, CA — 1st time joining. #lrnchat
04:33:31 pm tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, production developer, Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames, IA #lrnchat
04:33:36 pm JudithELS: Judith Christian-Carter (ELS) L&D fanatic from the UK signing in. #lrnchat
04:33:49 pm StephanieDaul: @mbprins Welcome Bob #lrnchat
04:33:57 pm mrch0mp3rs: @sifowler Always good to see you, brother. #lrnchat
04:34:01 pm LearnNuggets: Ugh! Missing #lrnchat Giving presentation on graphics in elearning at UofM campus Instr. Tech. Grad program. I’ll join in tonight’s session
04:34:01 pm lrnchat: 4) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com , http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well
04:34:21 pm LandDDave: David Kelly, Director of Training & Passionate Learner, still mourning the loss of the show 24. #lrnchat
04:34:39 pm sifowler: Simon Fowler, R&D Associate, Forum Corporation, based in Boston, spend most of my life with head spinning with curiosity, #lrnchat
04:34:41 pm smitty1966: Jeff Smith – Toronto, Technology guy @edupros #lrnchat
04:34:43 pm JffZllr: Lots of tweets next hour… feel free to join in… #lrnchat
04:34:46 pm LandDDave: @mbprins Welcome to the chat – You’ll love it here! #lrnchat
04:35:00 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about & they can chime in too.
04:35:07 pm jkunrein: Judy U… I make stuff that helps people learn in Kansas City. #lrnchat
04:35:10 pm CanadianPacMan: Phil Cowcill from Canadore College in North Bay, ON Prof. for Multimedia & elearning developer. Taking part in #lrnchat.
04:35:13 pm sifowler: @mrch0mp3rs and you too! #lrnchat
04:35:32 pm sifowler: @LandDDave cup of tea? makes you sound so English. which is a very good thing. #lrnchat
04:35:33 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
04:35:34 pm VijeeshShankar: Instructional Design Head, Invidya, Bangalore
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04:35:36 pm Rsuominen: It’s time for #lrnchat, sorry for the flood of tweets.
04:35:41 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @LandDDave: … still mourning the loss of the show 24. #lrnchat <- Me to, gotta wait for the 24 movie.
04:35:41 pm fredsheahan: Fred Sheahan, Boston, MA – edtech at Harvard, first time on #lrnchat.
04:36:01 pm lrnchat: 6) On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really.
04:36:04 pm sifowler: Hoping @briggzay is loitering for this conversation. #lrnchat
04:36:29 pm JudithELS: @Rsuominen Hi you, great to meet you here. #lrnchat
04:36:35 pm laura_dickson: Laura Dickson, eLearning Specialist, London #lrnchat
04:36:37 pm StephanieDaul: @fredsheahan Welcome Fred #lrnchat
04:36:44 pm CatMoore: Sorry for the barrage of tweets–lrnchat is starting. Come join us! #lrnchat
04:36:52 pm juliadesigns: Julia Ault Learning Technologies Developer in HE in Wales in the UK hello🙂 #lrnchat
04:37:01 pm JffZllr: Jeff Zoller, Learning Consultant, Columbus OH #lrnchat
04:37:10 pm sifowler: @fredsheahan welcome Fred. Let me know if I can help as a fellow lrnchatterer. I'm in Boston also. #lrnchat
04:37:17 pm LandDDave: @sifowler Interesting… Now one ever says "You sound like you're from New York… Which is a good thing" #lrnchat
04:37:19 pm Rsuominen: Riitta Suominen from Tampere, Finland – eLearning and Communications Specialist. #lrnchat
04:37:27 pm larshyland: Dir of Learning Services, Brightwave: specialist in learning and communications technology, occ. blogger http://bit.ly/ak3OPk #lrnchat
04:37:42 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @fredsheahan: Fred Sheahan, Boston, MA – edtech at Harvard, first time on #lrnchat. <- Welcome Fred.
04:37:45 pm smitty1966: Welcome – @fredsheahan & @laura_dickson #lrnchat
04:37:46 pm LandDDave: @CanadianPacMan At least the ending was somewhat satisfying. #lrnchat
04:38:01 pm lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:38:02 pm CatMoore: 1) Cathy Moore, corp. elearning consultant in US, blogging at http://blog.cathy-moore.com. #lrnchat
04:38:24 pm mrch0mp3rs: @LandDDave When we met at #ASTD10, the first thing I though of was "wow, Dave's from NY." I was thinking Ohio for some reason🙂 #lrnchat
04:38:33 pm jkunrein: 1st time in daytime #lrnchat… Be gentle! ;D
04:38:35 pm JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
04:39:00 pm tonya_simmons: Q0) I learned that if you put aside a bad first impression/experience with someone, they might actually surprise you #lrnchat
04:39:00 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat No amount of antivirus can stop a determined user from being infected.
04:39:10 pm StephanieDaul: Q0) Get to know your tech guys…they love to share their new toys! #lrnchat
04:39:11 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:39:11 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:39:13 pm JaneBozarth: lurking @rduairport waiting to be called for flight #lrnchat
04:39:20 pm Rsuominen: @JudithELS Good to see you too. #lrnchat
04:39:20 pm tmiket: Mike Taylor all things learning from Ohio #lrnchat
04:39:23 pm mrch0mp3rs: I learned presentations are still hard work, but lot's of hard fun. #lrnchat
04:39:29 pm JffZllr: I've got most of the cognitive biases – (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5069282/Cognitive-Biases-A-Visual-Study-Guide.pdf) #lrnchat
04:39:33 pm LandDDave: @mrch0mp3rs It's really that obvious, huh? #lrnchat
04:39:38 pm drtimony: David Timony, K12 educator, teacher prep professor, Expertise theorist/researcher #lrnchat
04:39:40 pm JudithELS: Q0) Thanks to @vahva, I've learned how to use TweetDeck! It's really cool. #lrnchat
04:39:42 pm urbie: urbie delgado, iPad-driving instructional designer, washington dc, #lrnchat
04:39:44 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
04:39:47 pm StephanieDaul: RT @tonya_simmons: Q0) I learned that if you put aside a bad first impression with someone, they might actually surprise you #lrnchat
04:40:04 pm tylerwall: 3 Criteria 4 Evaluating High-Level e-Learning Courses http://bit.ly/anUSDl #edchat #lrnchat
04:40:08 pm joeganci: #lrnchat My first time too. I'm a LrnChat vegan or virgin or whatever.
04:40:09 pm mrch0mp3rs: @LandDDave Your accent doesn't show much online🙂 #lrnchat
04:40:27 pm StephanieDaul: @JudithELS That's my next tool #lrnchat
04:40:35 pm smitty1966: I did learn this week that relationships (personal and business) are critical to everything. Its the grease that keeps you moving. #lrnchat
04:40:37 pm VijeeshShankar: RT @lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:40:43 pm tmiket: @joeganci Welcome! #lrnchat
04:40:53 pm StephanieDaul: @joeganci Welcome #lrnchat
04:41:05 pm petersonandrew: anticipation for http://www.glsconference.org/2010/ is keeping me going through the daily drudge. #lrnchat
04:41:06 pm JaneBozarth: Q0. Reading "Tinkers" : learned about clock repair #lrnchat
04:41:32 pm Rsuominen: Q0 Students are extremely sensitive. #lrnchat
04:41:34 pm joeganci: #lrnchat Thank you, all!
04:41:36 pm c4lpt: Q0 #lrnchat I've learned that it's very hard helping people to cross the chasm (actually I already knew that! -just reinforced again today)
04:41:41 pm urbie: i learned [a moment ago] that the iPad version of tweetdeck doesn't always send messages after i tap 'send' #lrnchat
04:41:42 pm fredsheahan: Thanks for the welcome! Q0. Best new learning this week: watched the documentary Art & Copy: http://is.gd/crH1P #lrnchat
04:41:46 pm sifowler: I learned more than I can summarize. One thing: power value. Another: Mental calm can come from control but also from trust. #lrnchat
04:41:48 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @joeganci: #lrnchat My first time too. I’m a LrnChat vegan or virgin or whatever. RT @petersonandrew: Q0 #lrnchat http://www.ted.com/ is never a waste of time, no matter the topic.
04:44:46 pm JffZllr: RT @petersonandrew: Q0 #lrnchat http://www.ted.com/ is never a waste of time, no matter the topic.
04:44:58 pm juliadesigns: I learned that it is STILL very hard to get mainstream folk onboard with eLearning #lrnchat
04:45:01 pm lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:45:16 pm joeganci: I like bacon. #lrnchat
04:45:18 pm tmiket: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:45:26 pm sifowler: it’s the lazy questions that bother me RT @tmiket: @drtimony I ask qs I already know the answer to for the benefit of others😎 #lrnchat
04:45:35 pm smitty1966: RT @juliadesigns: I learned that it is STILL very hard to get mainstream folk onboard with eLearning #lrnchat
04:45:37 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:45:38 pm urbie: @JffZllr some of my deepest relationships started with stating/asking the obvious #lrnchat
04:45:46 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:45:46 pm petersonandrew: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:45:46 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:45:49 pm tmiket: Q1 Marketing, Cognitive Psychology, Art, TV/Movies #lrnchat
04:45:50 pm JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:45:56 pm drtimony: Good design activates tacit knowledge. #lrnchat
04:45:58 pm sprinkler: #lrnchat Bernd Boettger, Providence RI, Chief Learning Spec., interested in virtual learning & 3D simulation
04:46:00 pm juliadesigns: I also learned it helps to add hashtag if you want folk to see your tweet duh! #lrnchat
04:46:02 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @petersonandrew: Q0 #lrnchat http://www.ted.com/ is never a waste of time, no matter the topic. <- Amen-try search sixth sense
04:46:04 pm mbprins: Q1) visual design, to increase effectiveness of communication. #lrnchat
04:46:19 pm laura_dickson: I learned that tweetgrid http://www.tweetgrid.com/irc is better for using Twitter as a chat room thanks @cowfish! #lrnchat
04:46:24 pm srleosalazar: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:46:26 pm LandDDave: Q1) I think paying attention to gaming design is a must. #lrnchat
04:46:36 pm petersonandrew: Q1) #lrnchat I'm biased, but the similarity between game design and curriculum design is scary
04:46:43 pm BrightTweet: Q1) #lrnchat It's important to think of the needs of EVERY learner http://ht.ly/1QGTE – design tips on how to make e-learning accessible
04:46:46 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:46:56 pm jkunrein: Q0 at the risk of degrading pregnant ladies everywhere… I have to relearn EVERYTHING each week! #lrnchat
04:47:11 pm JudithELS: RT @LandDDave: Q1) I think paying attention to gaming design is a must. <yes, agreed. #lrnchat
04:47:16 pm srleosalazar: Q1) intercultural aspects, psychology, group dynamics #lrnchat
04:47:20 pm sheridan_webb: #lrnchat I'm @sheridan_webb and I design bespoke #training. Q0 – I'm learning how to use Business Contact manager thanks to @paula6thlevel
04:47:29 pm mbprins: Q1) Similar yes, but with larger budgets, eh (game design). #lrnchat
04:47:31 pm StephanieDaul: Q1) Game design, video production, software dev. Depends on what you are designing #lrnchat
04:47:31 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:47:36 pm drtimony: Not similar enough. RT @petersonandrew: Q1) #lrnchat Im biased, but the similarity between game design and curr design is scary #lrnchat
04:47:37 pm JudithELS: Q1) Graphic design, including GUI stuff. #lrnchat
04:47:41 pm briggzay: Q1) Design Theory, Participatory Design and HCI/Design might be useful. #lrnchat
04:47:47 pm tmiket: Q1 Usability Design #lrnchat
04:47:50 pm VijeeshShankar: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:47:54 pm CatMoore: Q1) User experience design has stuff to teach elearning folks #lrnchat
04:47:58 pm torriedunlap: Sorry I am late! Torrie, San Diego #lrnchat
04:48:11 pm jonhusband: ID / learning should pay attention to the architecture of space, to learn from how people use / move thru space (always learning) #lrnchat
04:48:22 pm larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat usability, copywriting skills, visual information design, business case development (an art in its own right)
04:48:24 pm sifowler: Q1) we need to pay attention to 'design' as in 'designers' as in people who work creatively in the unknown and in complexity #lrnchat
04:48:24 pm LandDDave: Q1) Farmville has, what, a billion users now? Learning design should take notice on that engagement. #lrnchat
04:48:30 pm laura_dickson: video production and photography – it's time consuming to find appropriate stock photos. #lrnchat
04:48:32 pm jkunrein: Q1 graphic design, web design, user EXPERIENCE design #lrnchat
04:48:53 pm mrch0mp3rs: I'd start with architecture: what does it take to design/build something with aesthetic effect? #lrnchat
04:48:54 pm coyenator: RT @sifowler: (partial) Mental calm can come from control but also from trust. #lrnchat
04:48:59 pm petersonandrew: @DrTimony #lrnchat "should" not "is" 🙂
04:48:59 pm sifowler: I'll say! RT @briggzay: Q1) Design Theory, Participatory Design and HCI/Design might be useful. #lrnchat
04:49:06 pm fredsheahan: Q1) Agree on both GBL and visual communication of data. There's a lot to mine from GBL re: motivation & engagement #lrnchat
04:49:10 pm tmiket: @sifowler as in if they could google it themselves kind of lazy? I hate those #lrnchat
04:49:12 pm larshyland: RT @BrightTweet: Q1) #lrnchat Think of the needs of EVERY learner http://ht.ly/1QGTE – design tips on how to make e-learning accessible
04:49:19 pm smitty1966: Q1 – Industrial – http://is.gd/crHrp #lrnchat
04:49:21 pm ssusarla: RT @srleosalazar: Q1) intercultural aspects, psychology, group dynamics #lrnchat
04:49:46 pm c4lpt: Q1) Engineering design – and not over-engineering a solution – ie building a bridge when a plank over a stream would be enough😉 #lrnchat
04:49:55 pm CanadianPacMan: Q1) Should consider building a quality experience for the user. #lrnchat
04:50:02 pm juliadesigns: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
04:50:04 pm sifowler: right RT @tmiket: @sifowler as in if they could google it themselves kind of lazy? I hate those #lrnchat
04:50:07 pm LandDDave: Q1) Design101 would also help – even simple things like choosing colors for purpose are often missed in learning design. #lrnchat
04:50:36 pm sprinkler: #lrnchat who is using 2nd life as a on-demand training lab?
04:50:47 pm StephanieDaul: Q1) Marketing and User Expierence work #lrnchat
04:50:47 pm VijeeshShankar: Q1) revamp the school education one syllabus for the world #lrnchat
04:50:48 pm tmiket: @sifowler Do you know http://www.lmgtfy.com/ ? Perfect for lazy questions #lrnchat
04:51:03 pm larshyland: Q1) #lrnchat ergonomics, cognitive psychology, stand up comedy (masters of holding rapt attention).
04:51:04 pm drtimony: Industrial design trumps most. Usage and function is clear and motivates mastery. #lrnchat
04:51:04 pm sifowler: can u say more about participatory design? RT @briggzay: Q1) Design Theory, Participatory Design and HCI/Design might be useful. #lrnchat
04:51:12 pm mbprins: RT LandDDave Q1) Design101 would also help (partial) — absolutely! #lrnchat
04:51:15 pm drtimony: Big fan. RT @tmiket: @sifowler Do you know http://www.lmgtfy.com/ ? Perfect for lazy questions #lrnchat
04:51:21 pm c4lpt: RT: @JaneBozarth: @c4lpt it's hard just to spell "chasm", much less cross it. #lrnchat <too right!
04:51:22 pm joeganci: I'm going to keep my ears open and my mouth shut for this session (mainly). Going to soak it all in. #lrnchat
04:51:27 pm urbie: Q#1 ID should pay attention to design for manufacturability, accessibility design, and set-production [live theatre] design #lrnchat
04:51:32 pm petersonandrew: Q1) #lrnchat to jump on the bandwagons, agriculture not manufacturing (growing knowledge vs producing it)
04:51:35 pm juliadesigns: RT @mbprins: Q1) visual design, to increase effectiveness of communication. #lrnchat
04:51:38 pm LearnTribe: Q1 definitely gaming industry – engage, challenge, gratify – and any industry/product that attracts a loyal following #lrnchat
04:51:45 pm jkunrein: @c4lpt: Q1) Engineering design – and not over-engineering a solution ie bldg a bridge when a plank over a stream would be enough😉 #lrnchat
04:51:50 pm LandDDave: @StephanieDaul I agree that Marketing is very important. #lrnchat
04:52:16 pm tmiket: @jkunrein Totally agree. Simple is usually best #lrnchat
04:52:19 pm JffZllr: @joeganci – I said that my first time too… But I can't keep my mouth shut… #lrnchat
04:52:24 pm juliadesigns: Q1 Keep the interface as simple as possible so HCI design very important #lrnchat
04:52:43 pm tmiket: I like to look at adverstising/marketing materials for design ideas-layouts, colors,etc #lrnchat
04:53:11 pm JaneBozarth: Q1strongly recommend Gawande's "Complications" for understanding how an adult learns-in-practice #lrnchat
04:53:14 pm JffZllr: Definitely! RT @juliadesigns: Q1 Keep the interface as simple as possible so HCI design very important #lrnchat
04:53:21 pm CanadianPacMan: Gotta take off now. #lrnchat. Talk to you all later.
04:53:22 pm mbprins: @JffZllr Or your fingers still? (; #lrnchat
04:53:31 pm CatMoore: RT @tmiket: I like to look at advertising/marketing materials for design ideas-layouts, colors,etc #lrnchat
04:53:34 pm juliadesigns: RT @CatMoore: Q1) User experience design has stuff to teach elearning folks Indeed!! #lrnchat
04:53:35 pm usablelearning: Has anybody mentioned behavioral economics yet? #lrnchat Q1) What other design fields should learning design pay attention to
04:54:00 pm jkunrein: RT @tmiket: I like to look at adverstising/marketing materials for design ideas-layouts, colors,etc #lrnchat
04:54:13 pm drtimony: Like any other ‘media,’ nothing is accidental and everything has a purpose. Read up on media literacy and make it work for EDU #lrnchat
04:54:18 pm larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat Might want to also ask what we can UNLEARN from our field – lots of irrelevant theories and lazy practice.
04:54:19 pm c4lpt: RT: @larshyland: Q1) #lrnchat … stand up comedy (masters of holding rapt attention) <stand up comedy I like that
04:54:27 pm JudithELS: Q1) in eLearning accessibility design is a vital component. #lrnchat
04:54:33 pm smitty1966: Creative integration. User experience shld B disruptive – we have 2 crack the old model of education from the industrial revolution.#lrnchat
04:54:37 pm tonya_simmons: @urbie set production design – how do you figure that fits in? #lrnchat
04:54:50 pm Rsuominen: @LandDDave @JudithELS The fascination of the course is increased by the unexpected & multiplicity, in quite the same way as games #lrnchat
04:55:02 pm jmarrapodi: RT @c4lpt Q1) Engineering design – & not over-engineering a solution – ie build a bridge when a plank over a stream would be enough #lrnchat
04:55:03 pm c4lpt: RT @larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat Might want to also ask what we can UNLEARN from our field – lots of irrelevant theories and lazy practice.
04:55:11 pm mrch0mp3rs: I'm a little surprised so many suggestions for tactical design fields; not as many suggestions for the broader design concepts #lrnchat
04:55:17 pm smitty1966: Yes! RT @larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat Might want to also ask what we can UNLEARN from our field – lots of irrelevant theories and lazy practice.
04:55:23 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 too much focus on "presentation", not enough on "design" #lrnchat
04:55:27 pm sifowler: thanks for the tip RT @JaneBozarth: Q1strongly recommend Gawandes "Complications" for understanding how an adult learns-in-practice #lrnchat
04:55:27 pm LearnTribe: RT @JudithELS: Q1) in eLearning accessibility design is a vital component. #lrnchat
04:55:51 pm Rsuominen: Agreed RT @tmiket Q1 Usability Design #lrnchat
04:55:58 pm tmiket: @mrch0mp3rs Tell me more? Tactical vs broader? Examples? #lrnchat
04:56:03 pm JudithELS: Q1) The design of TV progs in terms of communication techniques & timing. #lrnchat
04:56:12 pm mrch0mp3rs: @JaneBozarth My thought, too. #lrnchat
04:56:24 pm larshyland: Storytelling is the skill RT @c4lpt: RT: @larshyland: Q1) #lrnchat … stand up comedy (masters of holding rapt attention) < I like that
04:56:32 pm jkunrein: Q1 did I forget game design? #lrnchat
04:56:52 pm mrch0mp3rs: @tmiket Usability, Color, Whitespace… that's very important. But it's a smaller scope/context than the design of the experience #lrnchat
04:56:59 pm petersonandrew: Q1) #lrnchat the concept / usage / study around behavioral analytics as a predictive tool.
04:57:07 pm urbie: @tonya_simmons i'm believer in socialization in elearning; set-design is important aspect: making learners feel they're some place #lrnchat
04:57:12 pm _joanasilva_: RT @c4lpt: RT @larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat Might want 2 also ask what we can UNLEARN from our field-lots of irrelevant theories & lazy practice.
04:57:13 pm c4lpt: Q1) We should focus less on "designing" learning and think more about "enabling" learning – quite a different thing #lrnchat
04:57:25 pm tmiket: @mrch0mp3rs Got it. Thanks #lrnchat
04:57:25 pm sifowler: Perhaps we need to define "design" for this chat? RT @mrch0mp3rs: @JaneBozarth My thought, too. #lrnchat
04:57:29 pm sprinkler: #lrnchat any interest in setting up a group for you guy who deal with training engineers (not software but the tangible disciplines)?
04:57:30 pm StephanieDaul: Q1) Thinking about marketing – not focusing on the out of the design but the process of getting the output #lrnchat
04:57:32 pm jlaikins: RT @smitty1966: Creative integration. User experience shld B disruptive – we have 2 crack the old model of education from the industrial revolution.#lrnchat
04:57:34 pm mrch0mp3rs: @tmiket In other words, what is the aesthetic and lasting effects we want to achieve? #lrnchat
04:57:37 pm VijeeshShankar: Q1) Games/toys for kids #lrnchat
04:57:54 pm tmiket: @c4lpt Great point re: enabling learning #lrnchat
04:57:56 pm jkunrein: Q1 Architecture. If only bc analysis is so incredibly important. #lrnchat
04:58:05 pm fredsheahan: I've found that social psych principles and a past career in psych study design has been extremely helpful Q1) #lrnchat
04:58:13 pm juliadesigns: RT @c4lpt: Q1) We should focus less on "designing" learning and think more about "enabling" learning – quite a different thing #lrnchat
04:58:25 pm ehealthgr: RT @c4lpt: Q1) We should focus less on "designing" learning and think more about "enabling" learning – quite a different thing #lrnchat
04:58:27 pm mrch0mp3rs: @sifowler @JaneBozarth This is a good conversation. We need to think more encompassing about design. #lrnchat
04:58:29 pm larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat develop the eye and cadence of a film director – and then add interaction
04:58:30 pm petersonandrew: RT @VijeeshShankar: Q1) Games/toys for kids #lrnchat
04:58:44 pm mbprins: RT tmiket @c4lpt Great point re: enabling learning – especially in the context of social media, enterprise collaboration. #lrnchat
04:58:50 pm JudithELS: RT @c4lpt: Q1) We should focus less on "designing" learning and think more about "enabling" learning <the latter should be in it. #lrnchat
04:58:50 pm sifowler: or even, think more about 'enabling design' RT @c4lpt Q1) focus less on "designing" learning, think more about "enabling" learning #lrnchat
04:58:51 pm drtimony: allowing user to customize=instant engagement=not a waste of time allowing students to change colors, fonts, pix. #lrnchat
04:59:16 pm tmiket: @larshyland I think there should be more similarities to movies/film in learning design…tell stories, etc #lrnchat
04:59:17 pm Rsuominen: Highly important! RT @larshyland Q1 #lrnchat usability, copywriting skills, visual information design
04:59:21 pm tonya_simmons: @urbie I have a theater background, and am intrigued – I'd love to talk more about this later #lrnchat
04:59:27 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat forget about learning and teaching, inspire curiosity and then get out of the way
04:59:40 pm coyenator: RT @JudithELS: RT @LandDDave: Q1) I think paying attention to gaming design is a must. <yes, agreed. ditto #lrnchat
04:59:46 pm torriedunlap: Q1) Maybe off base, but I have used reality shows as inspiration for experiential learning design. Fun and relevant for learners! #lrnchat
04:59:49 pm sprinkler: RT @c4lpt: Q1) We should focus less on "designing" learning and think more about "enabling" learning – quite a different thing #lrnchat
04:59:52 pm LandDDave: @mrch0mp3rs @tmiket It's telling that the concept of design often goes right 2 the tactical. Perhaps a more targeted topic 4 later. #lrnchat
05:00:01 pm tmiket: Q1 Infographics can be great learning tool…if well done of course😉 #lrnchat
05:00:04 pm mrch0mp3rs: @c4lpt I agree with you, but to a point. We're all, in our own way, trying to save the world, right? The how is in our design.
#lrnchat
05:00:13 pm juliadesigns: RT @drtimony: allowing user to customize=instant engagement=not a waste of time allowing students to change colors, fonts, pix. #lrnchat
05:00:14 pm jlaikins: Jenn here, Indy. Late 2 discussion. Q1) Design is about getting the formulating the learning into process. #lrnchat
05:00:28 pm sparkandco: RT @c4lpt: Q1) We should focus less on "designing" learning and think more about "enabling" learning – quite a different thing #lrnchat
05:00:38 pm tmiket: @LandDDave Some of us who have brains that default to tactical mode #lrnchat
05:00:39 pm c4lpt: RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat forget about learning and teaching, inspire curiosity and then get out of the way
05:01:05 pm JffZllr: Like M Twain's comment "I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead." Good design takes time. #lrnchat
05:01:07 pm fredsheahan: @drtimony Absolutely, customization *when done effectively* can build a strong connection; games excel at this #lrnchat
05:01:12 pm sifowler: Q1) a learner needs to find and access what is known then do & find something new with it: what designers do, right? #lrnchat
05:01:14 pm jlaikins: RT @c4lpt: Q1) We should focus less on "designing" learning and think more about "enabling" learning – quite a different thing #lrnchat
05:01:17 pm urbie: Q#1 set-design: this month's edition of computers & education has a great article on students' preference in learning environments #lrnchat
05:01:32 pm tmiket: RT @c4lpt: RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat forget about learning and teaching, inspire curiosity and then get out of the way
05:01:40 pm LandDDave: @tmiket That's what mine did – so a more targeted session might broaden our perspectives. #lrnchat
05:01:41 pm CatMoore: @LandDDave I think the convo went tactical because the orig Q asked about design "fields" sted "concepts" or whatever #lrnchat
05:02:02 pm CatMoore: @LandDDave Maybe we need to define "design" here #lrnchat
05:02:03 pm Rsuominen: +1 @larshyland stand up comedy #lrnchat
05:02:15 pm larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat To use a Robinsonism: we need to move from an industrial design metaphor to an agricultural nurturing one http://bit.ly/cH4v5K
05:02:15 pm usablelearning: @lrnchat Q1) Also, change management and marketing/advertising (for emotional message design) #lrnchat
05:02:18 pm mrch0mp3rs: Design, in my opinion, means there's an end in mind we wish to achieve by intent. #lrnchat
05:02:26 pm JaneBozarth: Me & ‚Äú@mrch0mp3rs crossin the streams…#lrnchat
05:02:48 pm Jone_Tiffany: RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat forget about learning and teaching, inspire curiosity and then get out of the way
05:02:55 pm larshyland: RT @tmiket: @larshyland I think there should be more similarities to movies/film in learning design…tell stories, etc #lrnchat Yup!
05:03:04 pm jmarrapodi: Q1) We should focus less on "designing" learning & think more about "enabling" learning – quite a diff. thing ~@jlaikins:@c4lpt: #lrnchat
05:03:06 pm mrch0mp3rs: @JaneBozarth I thought you said crossing the streams was bad, Egon. #lrnchat
05:03:09 pm JaneBozarth: @mrch0mp3rs alas, boarding & power off.. #lrnchat
05:03:19 pm jmarrapodi: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Design, in my opinion, means theres an end in mind we wish to achieve by intent. #lrnchat
05:03:26 pm LandDDave: @CatMoore That's one of the things I like about these chats. We start with a topic, but it often shifts a bit in the conversation. #lrnchat
05:03:32 pm c4lpt: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Design, in my opinion, means there's an end in mind we wish to achieve by intent. #lrnchat
05:03:37 pm LandDDave: @JaneBozarth Have a safe trip. #lrnchat
05:03:47 pm jmarrapodi: RT @sifowler: Q1) a learner needs to find and access what is known then do & find something new with it: what designers do, right? #lrnchat
05:03:51 pm JudithELS: RT @larshyland: Q1 #lrnchat we need to move from an industrial design metaphor to an agricultural nurturing 1. http://bit.ly/cH4v5K #lrnchat
05:04:03 pm sahana2802: RT @jmarrapodi: RT @sifowler: Q1) a learner needs to find and access what is known then do & find something new with it: what designers do, right? #lrnchat
05:04:05 pm LandDDave: RT @c4lpt: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Design, in my opinion, means theres an end in mind we wish to achieve by intent. #lrnchat
05:04:17 pm usablelearning: Traditional instructional design could learn lots from the way UX folks do analysis, imho #lrnchat
05:04:18 pm drtimony: @larshyland but use the goal of industrial design–so well created that we don't need instructions or labels-Eager to figure it out #lrnchat
05:04:23 pm coyenator: RT @larshyland: Q1) #lrnchat (partial) stand up comedy (masters of holding rapt attention).
05:04:29 pm urbie: @jmarrapodi it depends on the learning space: higher-ed, K12, or corporate. each has their "rules of engagement" #lrnchat
05:04:41 pm charlesjennings: Q1) enabling rather than designing. We'll be on the right track when ID=interactivity design rather than instructional design #lrnchat
05:05:07 pm LandDDave: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Design, in my opinion, means theres an end in mind we wish to achieve by intent. <All designs need a blueprint! #lrnchat
05:05:13 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @drtimony use the goal of industrial design–so well created that we don't need instructions or labels-Eager to figure it out #lrnchat
05:05:25 pm JudithELS: RT @urbie: @jmarrapodi it depends on the learning space: higher-ed, K12, or corporate. each has their "rules of engagement" #lrnchat
05:05:30 pm drtimony: RT @charlesjennings enabling rather than designing. on the right track when ID=interactivity design rather thn instructional design #lrnchat
05:05:48 pm c4lpt: Q1) following @larshyland – and also recognise we are in a knowledge economy (not an industrial economy manufacturing learning) #lrnchat
05:05:56 pm sifowler: but we don't always know what the end is RT @LandDDave @c4lpt @mrch0mp3rs: Design: an end in mind we wish to achieve by intent. #lrnchat
05:06:01 pm lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:06:12 pm charlesjennings: Design implies a fixed end-point. Learning is a continuous flow without an end #lrnchat
05:06:26 pm macrofireball: RT @CatMoore: RT @tmiket: I like to look at advertising/marketing materials for design ideas-layouts, colors,etc #lrnchat
05:06:27 pm drtimony: Students know that in some contexts, they are free to be creative, loud, interactive; to make mistakes & start over. EDU? notsomuch #lrnchat
05:06:27 pm mbprins: @charlesjennings – Interactivity design, yes, as long as it's meaningful interactivity. Mabye MID? #lrnchat
05:06:33 pm tmiket: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:06:33 pm sahana2802: RT @charlesjennings: Q1) enabling rather than designing. We'll be on the right track when ID=interactivity design rather than instructional design #lrnchat
05:06:35 pm petersonandrew: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:06:46 pm c4lpt: RT @charlesjennings: Design implies a fixed end-point. Learning is a continuous flow without an end #lrnchat
05:06:48 pm CPHarbour: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
05:06:54 pm smitty1966: Any design needs to be open and flexible. New challenges and information means we don't always get it right! #lrnchat
05:06:58 pm CPHarbour: RT @c4lpt: 1) I'm Jane Hart – this week my title is CEO, Centre for Learning & Performance Technologies http://c4lpt.co.uk #lrnchat
05:07:01 pm CatMoore: Q2) I'm not sure what is intended by "systematically enhance elearning design" #lrnchat
05:07:01 pm urbie: @charlesjennings fer sure.. we gotta get away from distance learning w/heavy cognitive & async discussion boards. major owie. #lrnchat
05:07:02 pm mrch0mp3rs: @sifowler We may not know what the end will be, but we should know what we want it to be… right? #lrnchat
05:07:08 pm LearnTribe: #lrnchat – need to cut the chain between tutors and powerpoint and get them discussing with rather than projecting at learners
05:07:10 pm drtimony: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:07:10 pm JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:07:14 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:07:26 pm CPHarbour: RT @lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
05:07:26 pm CatMoore: Oops, that was "learning design" #lrnchat
05:07:27 pm LandDDave: @sifowler If I'm not provided with a goal or vision of success, I'll likely push back until that is determined. #lrnchat
05:07:35 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:07:45 pm solidstateux: @usablelearning agree! and the other way around. I gave a talk on blending the two worlds at #ias10 http://bit.ly/alSgm8 #lrnchat
05:07:46 pm CPHarbour: RT @c4lpt: Q0 #lrnchat I've learned that it's very hard helping people to cross the chasm (actually I already knew that! -just reinforced again today)
05:07:48 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:07:56 pm tmiket: Q2 is it possible to do this systematically? I'm struggling with this one #lrnchat
05:08:03 pm CPHarbour: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What other design fields should instructional/learning design pay attention to, and why? #lrnchat
05:08:18 pm tmiket: Systematically makes me think of templates…anyone else? #lrnchat
05:08:19 pm CPHarbour: RT @c4lpt: Q1) Engineering design – and not over-engineering a solution – ie building a bridge when a plank over a stream would be enough😉 #lrnchat
05:08:21 pm juliadesigns: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:08:37 pm urbie: @drtimony make it more social: group activities where something [given constraints] is produced & the thing produced isn't nec. apa #lrnchat
05:08:39 pm petersonandrew: Q2) #lrnchat I don't like the word systematically, it seems to imply there's a single solution to learning environments.
05:08:42 pm JudithELS: RT @tmiket: Q2 is it possible to do this systematically? Im struggling with this one <oh good, me too! #lrnchat
05:08:46 pm mbprins: @tmiket – Is it possible? Had the same reaction. #lrnchat
05:09:00 pm fredsheahan: Q2) Implement established design workflows- e.g., graphic/web client communication approaches should inform #elearning. #lrnchat
05:09:00 pm smitty1966: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? Get rid of the system! #lrnchat
05:09:02 pm CatMoore: @tmiket Me, too. What's meant by "systematically enhance learning design?" #lrnchat
05:09:16 pm juliadesigns: RT @CatMoore: Q2) I'm not sure what is intended by "systematically enhance elearning design" nor me? #lrnchat
05:09:20 pm charlesjennings: We will only systematically enhance learning design when we focus on providing experiences rather than on content #lrnchat
05:09:22 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat glad I'm not alone with this one…..
05:09:26 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:09:30 pm CatMoore: If Q2 means "change the system" we could have fun with that interpretation #lrnchat
05:09:33 pm sifowler: I think design is abt 'vision' vs fixed, bolted down 'end' @mrch0mp3rs @landdave @charlesjennings #lrnchat
05:09:38 pm LearnTribe: #lrnchat I'm Gordon McLeod – Learning Technologist at RSAMD (performing arts academy, Scotland)
05:09:39 pm c4lpt: RT @smitty1966: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? Get rid of the system! #lrnchat
05:09:43 pm drtimony: @urbie put them in the context of what they know. Give them 1, maybe 2, restrictions. Let them solve. Isn't that what adults do? #lrnchat
05:09:53 pm urbie: Q#1 seen the iPad scrabble? you can play over a network, facebook, nearby iPhones. mobile elearning design: learn from this #lrnchat
05:09:54 pm c4lpt: RT @charlesjennings: We will only systematically enhance learning design when we focus on providing experiences rather than on content #lrnchat
05:09:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: Systematically… like going from a design decision to going to a palnned decision #lrnchat
05:10:00 pm juliadesigns: RT @LearnTribe: #lrnchat – need to cut chain between tutors and powerpoint and get them discussing with rather than projecting at learners
05:10:05 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat C) none of the above 🙂
05:10:27 pm JudithELS: RT @smitty1966: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? Get rid of the system! <any one you have in mind? #lrnchat
05:10:39 pm tmiket: Could systematically mean ADDIE? Sorry I needed a drink #lrnchat
05:11:07 pm sifowler: but I may have been overthinking 'design' in recent weeks so my context is v broad @mrch0mp3rs @landdave @charlesjennings #lrnchat
05:11:08 pm LandDDave: Q2) 4 me, the systematic enhancement would be to not be restricted by the system. Being open to new possibilities is key. #lrnchat
05:11:20 pm drtimony: Q2:Model different thinking, dispel myths, make mistakes-lots of them. Sing. Dance. Lay on the floor. Spend a day w/o correcting. #lrnchat
05:11:22 pm jlaikins: @jmarrapodi Love concept of enabling learning. Need to decide the goal of the learning to build the plan of enablement. #lrnchat
05:11:23 pm LearnTribe: q2 embed culture of valuing wider learning experience – not test scores #lrnchat
05:11:32 pm socialtech: Luke, UK #lrnchat Q2) move from prescriptive to reactive
05:11:44 pm mrch0mp3rs: Also, systemic change… is bigger, longer, more embedded #lrnchat
05:11:45 pm urbie: @juliadesigns don't discount tutors: in higher-ed distance learning tutors [contact initiated thru LMS metrics] is on the rise #lrnchat
05:11:57 pm JudithELS: RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat C) none of the above 🙂 <very bad M-C design, nice one! #lrnchat
05:12:03 pm usablelearning: @CatMoore If Q2 means "change the system" we could have fun with that interpretation #lrnchat < I second that!
05:12:11 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat any system that is used in education needs to be, above all else, adaptive.
05:12:16 pm mbprins: RT @LearnTribe q2 embed culture of valuing wider learning experience – not test scores < Uh huh, I like that. #lrnchat
05:12:21 pm torriedunlap: Q2) Be willing to break the rules when it will enhance the experience for learners. #lrnchat
05:12:25 pm JudithELS: RT @tmiket: Could systematically mean ADDIE? Sorry I needed a drink <oh goodie, so do I. #lrnchat
05:12:47 pm LandDDave: ADDIE (drink) isn't evil in itself. It's implementing it as rules instead of a loose intial framework that has caused issues. #lrnchat
05:13:04 pm urbie: @drtimony social is important given adult learning theory that they don't like to appear dumb; learning from a peer is super #lrnchat
05:13:08 pm jkunrein: Bah, keep forgetting hashtag #lrnchat
05:13:08 pm tmiket: Changing culture is difficult work…def not for the meek #lrnchat
05:13:10 pm drtimony: What is the norm in everyday education is no longer viable. We cannot pretend that it's correct or normal. That's pathological. #lrnchat
05:13:13 pm petersonandrew: @JudithELS #lrnchat just trying to meet my sarcasm quota
05:13:14 pm jlaikins: @charlesjennings Love ur thought! Experiences from the user but also incorporating the experiences or stories from others. #lrnchat
05:13:17 pm jkunrein: @mrch0mp3rs YES about intent! All design implies intent. If you don't have it, you're just throwing stuff, seeing what sticks. #lrnchat
05:13:22 pm ejasprey: RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat forget about learning and teaching, inspire curiosity and then get out of the way
05:13:49 pm sifowler: Q2) need to systematically build context sensitivity (ambiguity, change, complexity) #lrnchat
05:13:50 pm larshyland: Q2 #lrnchat I have a framework based on designing learning for IMPACT – see these slides for a taster: http://bit.ly/cleGXj #lsg2010
05:13:58 pm smitty1966: Well ADDIE is dead, rapid prototyping is not fast enough. Need a new non-systematic environment. #lrnchat
05:14:02 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design ? #lrnchat
05:14:05 pm tmiket: @jkunrein I know lots of people to take the "just throwing stuff" approach….unfortunately! #lrnchat
05:14:11 pm usablelearning: @lrnchat Q2) Look at the environment where the behavioral change is going to be implemented, and how to best support it there #lrnchat
05:14:23 pm JudithELS: RT @LandDDave: Its implementing ADDIE as rules instead of a loose intial framework that has caused issues. <Hear hear don't diss it #lrnchat
05:14:34 pm larshyland: RT @c4lpt: Q1) following @larshyland – also recognise we are in a knowledge economy (not industrial economy manufacturing learning) #lrnchat
05:14:53 pm charlesjennings: how did we 'systematically design' a plan to teach our children to ride a bike? Give them a bike and some support to get started #lrnchat
05:15:15 pm jay_a_allen: #lrnchat Q2. A lot of folks talking abt focus on experiences. Have to ask? What's the GOAL of the effort?A: Incorp HumPerf as intention.
05:15:27 pm drtimony: The norm in everyday education is no longer viable. We cannot pretend that it's correct or normal. That's pathological. #lrnchat #lrnchat
05:15:30 pm juliadesigns: @urbie agreed that tutors good but over-reliance on PPoint and not interacting w class is not so good! #lrnchat
05:15:33 pm sifowler: RT @usablelearning Q2)Look at the environment where the behavioral change is going 2 be implemented, & how to best support it there #lrnchat
05:15:36 pm usablelearning: @jkunrein I'm ok with throwing stuff and seeing what sticks, actually. Not ok w throwing stuff, and then walking away #lrnchat
05:15:58 pm colmmu: RT @larshyland: Q2 #lrnchat I have a framework based on designing learning for IMPACT – see these slides for a taster: http://bit.ly/cleGXj #lsg2010
05:15:59 pm solidstateux: Game designers have stumbled onto this @sifowler Q2) need to systematically build context sensitivity(ambiguity, change, complexity)#lrnchat
05:16:00 pm jkunrein: Q2 Depends on where your learning design is currently failing….?
#lrnchat
05:16:04 pm urbie: Q#2 use less syllables [3 experiences rather than content. Advertising did this in the 60s. Q2) #lrnchat
05:17:16 pm mrch0mp3rs: That’s “agile” -> RT @StephanieDaul: Q2) You systematically design when you don’t know what your end needs to be #lrnchat
05:17:41 pm urbie: Q#2 elearning design can be improved by increasing blood flow to the brain. wear a tie to work? take it off. #lrnchat
05:17:46 pm juliadesigns: RT @tmiket: Changing culture is difficult work…def not for the meek Indeed not – u need stamina for fight i was told by friend #lrnchat
05:17:49 pm LandDDave: Q2) Remember that learning is a process. Instead of designing an end to the learning, build a bridge to the next stage. #lrnchat
05:18:03 pm jeanalawrence: @tmiket One person changing is challenging. Changing culture = changing multiple people. #lrnchat
05:18:05 pm c4lpt: RT @fredsheahan: Need more client education/acceptance of innovation => experiences rather than content. Advertising did this in the 60s. Q2) #lrnchat
05:18:25 pm larshyland: Q2 #lrnchat Avoid dogmatic adherence to baseless “theory” – draw on a wide range of approaches to best suit your specific needs.
05:18:43 pm urbie: Q#2 improve ID by reducing number of steps/time to design; why do higher-ed courses take up to 2 years to create??? #lrnchat
05:18:54 pm JudithELS: RT @LandDDave: Q2) Remember that learning is a process. Instead of designing an end to the lrn’g, build a bridge to the next stage. #lrnchat
05:19:19 pm torriedunlap: RT @fredsheahan: Need more client education/acceptance of innovation Advertising did this in the 60s. Q2) #lrnchat GO Mad Men!
05:19:21 pm mrch0mp3rs: Like in “Roning” you don’t walk into place without knowing how to walk out. RT @LandDDave: build a bridge to the next stage. #lrnchat
05:19:34 pm StephanieDaul: RT @LandDDave: Q2) Rember that learning is a process. Instead of designing an end to learning, build a bridge to the next stage. #lrnchat
05:19:43 pm mbprins: RT @larshyland: Q2 #lrnchat Avoid dogmatic adherence to baseless “theory” (partial) — right on! #lrnchat
05:20:03 pm mrch0mp3rs: Make that “Ronin” #lrnchat
05:20:06 pm c4lpt: RT: @charlesjennings: how did we .. design to .. teach our children to ride a bike? Give them a bike and some support 2 get started #lrnchat
05:20:24 pm StephanieDaul: @LandDDave you still need to design the bridge #lrnchat
05:20:28 pm petersonandrew: @urbie #lrnchat 2 years to create? My content is out of date in 9 months. (silly technology)
05:20:43 pm urbie: Q#2 improve design by disagreeing; saying “no” to the boss or customer shouldn’t be career limiting #lrnchat
05:20:51 pm smitty1966: @larshyland that is where you become flexible and adaptive. Adhering to to old methods will get you “Rickrolled”! #lrnchat
05:20:57 pm fredsheahan: @urbie Development timeframes can be wildly dependent on SME participation; faculty time is the coin of the realm. #lrnchat
05:21:08 pm larshyland: Q2 #lrnchat a systematic focus on building CONFIDENCE and opportunities to PRACTICE will do much more good than bloated “content”.
05:21:12 pm jkunrein: @juliadesigns Figured out my app doesn’t automatically hashtag replies. #lrnchat
05:21:17 pm tmiket: @urbie Yep, we don’t get paid to be “yes men/women” #lrnchat
05:21:28 pm juliadesigns: RT @tonya_simmons: @charlesjennings depends on rider – I was on the bike & gone, more cautious need more coaching/hand holding #lrnchat
05:21:34 pm coyenator: RT @charlesjennings: Q1) enabling rather than designing. right track when ID=interactivity design rather than instructional design #lrnchat
05:21:47 pm Rsuominen: Like communicating by Twitter?🙂 RT @charlesjennings Learning is a continuous flow without an end #lrnchat
05:22:03 pm socialtech: @urbie totally agree, being open to try and fail makes for a better environment/culture #lrnchat q2
05:22:05 pm mrch0mp3rs: @larshyland Content has a place, and it’s an important one. It’s just that content is brittle; there are other things to consider #lrnchat
05:22:17 pm larshyland: RT @tonya_simmons: @charlesjennings depends on rider – I was on bike & gone, more cautious cousin needed more coaching/hand holding #lrnchat
05:22:35 pm StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What could we do to systematically enhance learning design? #lrnchat
05:22:38 pm usablelearning: @larshyland Agree – would like to see self-efficacy show up as a goal more often #lrnchat
05:23:07 pm sifowler: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @larshyland Content has [an important place]. Its just that content is brittle; there are other things to consider #lrnchat
05:23:08 pm juliadesigns: RT @tonya_simmons: I was like more cautious cousin btw but once I got it all was fab! some of us take a bit longer than others #lrnchat
05:23:09 pm smitty1966: @Rsuominen Twitter only ends if you unplug it. It is endless. #lrnchat
05:23:10 pm charlesjennings: @smitty1966 ..simple “training wheels” …. Just enough support to get rolling. #lrnchat
05:23:21 pm fredsheahan: Absolutely! RT @socialtech: @urbie totally agree, being open to try and fail makes for a better environment/culture #lrnchat q2
05:23:26 pm urbie: @tmiket job interview the other day; my question to hiring mgr: when was the last time someone disagreed with you. blank look. #lrnchat
05:23:34 pm larshyland: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @larshyland Content has a place, and it’s an important one. It’s just that content is brittle; #lrnchat Agree – context 2
05:23:53 pm LandDDave: RT @StephanieDaul: @LandDDave you need to design the bridge < & designing the bridge comes after deciding on Point and and Point B. #lrnchat
05:24:04 pm sifowler: & some don't even need them RT @charlesjennings: @smitty1966 ..simple "training wheels" #lrnchat
05:24:08 pm tmiket: @urbie Probably not the job I’d want – prob wouldn’t last long there anyway #lrnchat
05:24:12 pm larshyland: RT @usablelearning: @larshyland Agree – would like to see self-efficacy show up as a goal more often #lrnchat
05:24:17 pm StephanieDaul: Q2) are there things we can learn from other designs that bring a learning from dependency to indepenence? #lrnchat
05:24:34 pm StephanieDaul: @LandDDave given #lrnchat
05:24:48 pm kelticray: Yes, but the child was very interested in learning RT @c4lpt: RT: @charlesjennings:Give them a bike and some support 2 get started #lrnchat
05:24:48 pm petersonandrew: @urbie #lrnchat NICE @job interview great question, I’ll probably steal that
05:24:51 pm c4lpt: RT: @larshyland @tonya_simmon depends on rider .. more cautious cousin needed coaching/hand holding #lrnchat <but he was still on the bike!
05:24:59 pm smitty1966: @larshyland @tonya_simmons: @charlesjennings so teach bike riding we build confidence first! #lrnchat
05:25:25 pm tmiket: we should make it part of our system to look at the designs of others to learn from them..both good and bad. #lrnchat
05:25:27 pm sifowler: Hope content isn't played off against experience in same way that ppl play formal against informal. So tiresome. #lrnchat
05:25:50 pm tonya_simmons: @juliadesigns some are risk takers, some are not – the evolution of soc. takes both kinds #lrnchat
05:25:59 pm drmcewan: RT @charlesjennings: Systematically design' a plan to teach children to ride a bike? Give them a bike + support to get started #lrnchat
05:26:12 pm JudithELS: RT @tmiket: we should make it part of our system to look at the designs of others to learn from them..both good and bad. <YES! #lrnchat
05:26:45 pm sumeet_moghe: via @drmcewan: Systematically design' a plan to teach children to ride a bike? Give them a bike + support to get started #lrnchat
05:26:58 pm 4KM: From a quick browse, looks as if there are overlaps btwn #lrnchat & #innochat topics. Time for joint event w #kmers on #complexity?
05:27:04 pm lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:27:08 pm nigelbhall: RT @charlesjennings: We will only systematically enhance learning design when we focus on providing experiences rather than on content #lrnchat
05:27:10 pm sifowler: Re riding a bike. It seems removing pedals is more effective than adding training wheels. Biggest learning challenge is balance. #lrnchat
05:27:30 pm tonya_simmons: RT @smitty1966 so teach bike riding we build confidence first! – yes, & I think same could be said for adult learning #lrnchat
05:27:33 pm tmiket: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:27:35 pm jkunrein: Q2 Systematically keep learning, keep pulling from other fields, keep doing better. #lrnchat
05:27:40 pm petersonandrew: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:27:46 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:27:50 pm c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:27:51 pm solidstateux: Loving the debate at #lrnchat RT@charlesjennings We'll be on the right track when ID=interactivity design rather than instructional design'
05:27:55 pm tmiket: Q3 Mobile delivery #lrnchat
05:28:02 pm drtimony: @sifowler balance is achieved most easily by moving forward despite bumps and fears #lrnchat
05:28:04 pm JudithELS: Sorry all but I've got to go. Many thanks for a really good #lrnchat
05:28:05 pm tmiket: Q3 Pull vs push content #lrnchat
05:28:15 pm smitty1966: Apple delivers products 2 millions of users. They dont spend a dime 2 teach them how 2 use it! Get on your iPad & ride! #lrnchat
05:28:18 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:28:21 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:28:29 pm ghenrick: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:28:44 pm charlesjennings: @smitty1966 : so teach bike riding we build confidence first! #lrnchat
05:28:48 pm tonya_simmons: Q3) mobile, virtual worlds, games #lrnchat
05:28:51 pm larshyland: #lrnchat new systematic design: Confidence-Context-Content-Collaborate-Competence-Continue
05:28:55 pm mbprins: @smitty1966 Apple does build tutorials, no? #lrnchat
05:28:57 pm urbie: Q#3 exploration is messy. we should be prepared [lab apron?] to get dirty #lrnchat
05:29:04 pm sumeet_moghe: Q3 Workscaping #lrnchat Also mobile delivery and how we cope with the multiple platforms
05:29:14 pm LearnTribe: @mbprins big problem is org’s are judged on metrics – and funders/govt often slow to support changing those metrics #lrnchat
05:29:21 pm LandDDave: Q3) Learner-driven design (not designing with the learner in mind, letting the learner choose or ‘design’ their own path) #lrnchat
05:29:26 pm sahana2802: RT @sumeet_moghe: Q3 Workscaping #lrnchat Also mobile delivery and how we cope with the multiple platforms
05:29:30 pm smitty1966: Nail on head!!!!! RT @larshyland: #lrnchat new systematic design: Confidence-Context-Content-Collaborate-Competence-Continue
05:29:35 pm Gyrobike: @sifowler #lrnchat Gyrowheel is a better solution that training wheels. Lots of great teaching tips on our website too. http://www.thegyrobike.com
05:29:40 pm petersonandrew: Q3) On demand education, Life long personal learning environment. (think blackboard that a person uses their whole life) #lrnchat
05:29:40 pm sifowler: great imagery for many apps RT @drtimony: @sifowler balance is achieved most easily by moving forward despite bumps and fears #lrnchat
05:30:11 pm urbie: Q#3 what new areas should we be exploring? we should take off shoes/sox, roll up pant-legs, step in it and look under rocks. #lrnchat
05:30:17 pm mbprins: Q3 How mobile devices integrate into the learning landscape. #lrnchat
05:30:20 pm jkunrein: Q3 It may sound trite but… All of them. Anything can teach about people, about how we respond, about how we learn. #lrnchat
05:30:23 pm StephanieDaul: RT @LandDDave: Q3)Learner-driven design (not designing with the learner in mind, letting the lrnr choose or design their own path) #lrnchat
05:30:32 pm smitty1966: Not for 3 yr olds who can’t read but use the iPad! RT @mbprins: @smitty1966 Apple does build tutorials, no? #lrnchat
05:30:40 pm juliadesigns: RT @tonya_simmons: yes, & I think same could be said for adult learning agree confidence is key esp for mature learners w doubts #lrnchat
05:30:52 pm drtimony: mandating process rather than products. #lrnchat
05:30:53 pm socialtech: #lrnchat Q3 I still see lots of potential in augmented reality for learning, overlaying explanations onto the real world. yes please!
05:30:55 pm kelticray: Because it is intuitive-as should courses b RT smitty1966 Apl dont spend a dime 2 teach thm 2 use it! Get on your iPad & ride! #lrnchat
05:30:59 pm fredsheahan: Q3) Lessons learned from WordPress uptake? The ability for SME’s to update content w/out a tech barrier is important! #lrnchat
05:31:03 pm larshyland: Q3 #lrnchat Mind control/feedback systems, location aware performance support, gestural interfaces – but before all that – writing skills!
05:31:06 pm mbprins: @smitty1966 Point taken! #lrnchat
05:31:14 pm coyenator: RT @charlesjennings: We’ll only systematically enhance learning design when focus on providing experiences rather than on content #lrnchat
05:31:20 pm sifowler: but most ppl still use just 1% of MS Excel capability for e.g. RT @smitty1966: Apple 2 millions of users. Get on your iPad & ride! #lrnchat
05:31:25 pm petersonandrew: @jkunrein #lrnchat I would agree, there’s nothing that can be ignore.
05:31:27 pm jkunrein: Oops, lunch over! Thanks for the #lrnchat!
05:31:31 pm urbie: @smitty1966 take a closer look: the iPad commercial is their tutorial. immersive & led by an experienced peer. #lrnchat
05:31:48 pm tonya_simmons: @juliadesigns trying to convince my 50-something mother (w/o much conf.) to take classes/try new things is TORTURE #lrnchat
05:31:49 pm ghenrick: Q3) a learning environment that changes as the learner progresses. #lrnchat
05:31:54 pm Rsuominen: RT @LandDDave: Q3) Learner-driven design #lrnchat
05:31:55 pm sifowler: like RT @larshyland: #lrnchat new systematic design: Confidence-Context-Content-Collaborate-Competence-Continue #lrnchat
05:32:01 pm mbprins: @larshyland Oh my, writing skills–now there’s a radical idea. #lrnchat
05:32:06 pm tmiket: @fredsheahan Yes! Facilitating connections #lrnchat
05:32:15 pm juliadesigns: Q3 more interactivity and collaborative work – sounds obvious but v new concept where I work #lrnchat
05:32:20 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring ? #lrnchat
05:32:29 pm larshyland: Ta! RT @smitty1966 Nail on head!! RT @larshyland: #lrnchat new systematic design: Confidence-Context-Content-Collaborate-Competence-Continue
05:32:34 pm sahana2802: RT @sifowler: like RT @larshyland: #lrnchat new systematic design: Confidence-Context-Content-Collaborate-Competence-Continue #lrnchat
05:32:41 pm smitty1966: Tech barriers need to come down – UX is key. RT @fredsheahan: Q3) WP…. SME’s to update content w/out a tech barrier is important! #lrnchat
05:32:45 pm c4lpt: @ghenrick Welcome Gavin! #lrnchat
05:33:20 pm kelticray: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:33:23 pm coyenator: RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat any system that is used in education needs to be, above all else, adaptive AND generative
05:33:27 pm mbprins: @larshyland Confidence-Context-Content-Collaborate-Competence-Continue >the six C’s. #lrnchat
05:33:47 pm sifowler: q3) we need to include media literacy … know how to use the right tool at the right time for the right performance goal #lrnchat
05:34:03 pm urbie: @tmiket yup. check out journal of computing in higher ed. 2008 20(2). cool article about designing creative mobile environments #lrnchat
05:34:04 pm usablelearning: @lrnchat What she said > RT @jkunrein Q3 It may sound trite but… All of them. #lrnchat
05:34:45 pm fredsheahan: Agree. RT @sifowler: q3) need to include media literacy – use the right tool at the right time for the right performance goal #lrnchat
05:34:59 pm smitty1966: Smart! RT @urbie: @smitty1966 take a closer look: the iPad commercial is their tutorial. immersive & led by an experienced peer. #lrnchat
05:35:01 pm larshyland: RT @solidstateux #lrnchat RT@charlesjennings We’ll be on the right track when ID=interactivity design rather than instructional design’
05:35:15 pm urbie: @sifowler disagree. given diversity of target pop is there 1 media for all? #lrnchat
05:35:15 pm Rsuominen: Course design is a demanding creative process, no matter what the environment is. #lrnchat
05:35:30 pm larshyland: Sad, but true… RT @mbprins: @larshyland Oh my, writing skills–now there’s a radical idea. #lrnchat
05:35:30 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Narrative Environments #lrnchat
05:35:39 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Knowledge Space #lrnchat
05:35:51 pm usablelearning: Like it > RT @larshyland: #lrnchat new systematic design: Confidence-Context-Content-Collaborate-Competence-Continue #lrnchat
05:36:04 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3) General Semantics #lrnchat
05:36:05 pm StephanieDaul: RT @Rsuominen: Course (Learning) design is a demanding creative process, no matter what the environment is. #lrnchat
05:36:17 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Computational Linguistics #lrnchat
05:36:23 pm solidstateux: Instructional designers like theories. Interaction designers like patterns. Gotta be something in the middle #lrnchat
05:36:30 pm petersonandrew: Q3) we should explore anything that improves accurate assessment. (my personal bane of existence) #lrnchat
05:36:34 pm sheridan_webb: #lrnchat Q3 – truly blended learning. A mix of face-to-face, tech-based and action learning – it’s got to be good!
05:36:39 pm Rsuominen: RT @sifowler q3) we need to include media literacy: know how to use the right tool at the right time for the right performance goal #lrnchat
05:36:43 pm urbie: @smitty1966 why are we using hi-tech anyway? iPad [for example] is drop-dead simple to use. learner doesn’t care what’s under hood #lrnchat
05:36:45 pm kelticray: What he said RT @sifowler q3) we need 2 include media literacy-know how to use right tool at right time for right performance goal #lrnchat
05:36:48 pm sifowler: you may be misunderstanding me. my pt is exactly that, there isn’t just 1 RT @urbie: @sifowler is there 1 media for all? #lrnchat
05:36:57 pm juliadesigns: RT @tonya_simmons: @juliadesigns trying to convince my 50-something mother etc- I know – many of my trainees are same! #lrnchat
05:37:01 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Game Theory #lrnchat
05:37:44 pm StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What new areas should we be exploring? #lrnchat
05:37:51 pm sheridan_webb: #lrnchat Q2 – you got to focus on function over form I think
05:37:53 pm tmiket: Q3 Allowing users/learners/SMEs to publish there own content and a way for others to find it easily #lrnchat
05:37:56 pm urbie: @ghenrick maybe a learning environment where learner “builds to suit” #lrnchat
05:38:08 pm petersonandrew: @mrch0mp3rs Q3) Game Theory #lrnchat echo echo echo, might generalize that to just Games
05:38:08 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Modeling & Simulation #lrnchat
05:38:27 pm juliadesigns: RT @usablelearning: @lrnchat What she said > RT @jkunrein Q3 It may sound trite but… All of them. #lrnchat
05:38:27 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Cultural Anthropology #lrnchat
05:38:36 pm mbprins: RT @urbie: @ghenrick maybe a learning environment where learner “builds to suit” > at the moment of need #lrnchat
05:38:45 pm ssusarla: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Knowledge Space #lrnchat
05:38:52 pm sifowler: @urbie we need to know how/when to use face-to-face, email, IM, fb, zorap, SecondLife to achieve our performance purposes #lrnchat
05:39:10 pm kelticray: RT @sheridan_webb: #lrnchat Q3 – truly blended learning. A mix of face-to-face, tech-based and action learning – it’s got to be good!
05:39:12 pm c4lpt: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Cultural Anthropology #lrnchat
05:39:14 pm charlesjennings: @Rsuominen Course design is a demanding creative process.. Should be a nicotine patch for L&D folks who want to give up on courses! #lrnchat
05:39:21 pm tonya_simmons: Q3) role play #lrnchat
05:39:22 pm LearnTribe: q3 #lrnchat will semantic web meet hole-in-the-wall http://bit.ly/dvRrcJ and lead to learning being predominantly self driven?
05:39:25 pm smitty1966: @urbie agreed, the high tech is wht Apple eng. execute. Wht the design team delivers is the the UX. SIMPLE! that is the hook. #lrnchat
05:39:26 pm juliadesigns: RT @sheridan_webb: #lrnchat Q3 – truly blended learning. A mix of face-to-face, tech-based and action learning – it’s got to be good!
05:39:35 pm urbie: @sheridan_webb given t-pop diversity suggest using both: learner chooses their preferred modality. #lrnchat
05:39:45 pm StephanieDaul: Q3) Maybe not *new* areas just use the ones we already know about (gaming, mobile) #lrnchat
05:39:45 pm usablelearning: RT @solidstateux Instructional designers like theories. Interaction designers like patterns. Gotta be something in the middle #lrnchat
05:39:52 pm sifowler: and all @mrch0mp3rs other suggestions! RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Cultural Anthropology #lrnchat
05:40:26 pm petersonandrew: @tonya_simmons does that mean I get to wear armor while teaching? #lrnchat
05:40:41 pm sheridan_webb: @kelticray #lrnchat we are used to a flexible, ‘pay-as-you-go’ world – learning needs to start following suit
05:40:52 pm kelticray: Maybe we get 2 know them btr RT @StephanieDaul Q3) Maybe not *new* areas just use the ones we already know about (gaming, mobile) #lrnchat
05:40:56 pm c4lpt: tmiket

RT @tmiket Q3 Allowing users/learners/SMEs to publish there own content … #lrnchat RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Knowledge Space #lrnchat
05:41:57 pm urbie: @kelticray you’re assuming learners are like homogenized milk: they’re not. we gotta do the heavy-lifting so they can glean. #lrnchat
05:42:01 pm sheridan_webb: @usablelearning Just written an ebook on learning design. Key message? Its for the LEARNER. Not the designer. Not the deliverer #lrnchat
05:42:14 pm petersonandrew: lucky I buy dice by the pound #lrnchat
05:42:31 pm StephanieDaul: @sifowler Knowledge Space can be anything! love that idea #lrnchat
05:42:36 pm fredsheahan: @urbie My take is that some tool-based training is a necessary step (1 out of many) for scaffolding learners new to tech #lrnchat
05:42:40 pm jyotsnam: RT @usablelearning: RT @solidstateux Instructional designers like theories. Interaction designers like patterns. Gotta be something in the middle #lrnchat
05:42:49 pm tonya_simmons: more to the point, role play in elearning sit. – like for practicing cust. service scenarios, diff. conversations, comm. issues .. #lrnchat
05:43:11 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3) Fractal Systems #lrnchat
05:43:14 pm charlesjennings: Get away from the course mindset – see ‘the death of the online course’ jennings (1999) – yep, 1999 …http://bit.ly/994SiF #lrnchat
05:43:19 pm langholloman: RT @c4lpt: tmiket

RT @tmiket Q3 Allowing users/learners/SMEs to publish there own content … #lrnchat <not just "allowing" but ENCOURAGING it
05:43:21 pm sheridan_webb: @urbie to a point! There have to points that are set, and some where their can be choice. It will be impossible to manage otherwise #lrnchat
05:43:57 pm c4lpt: RT @charlesjennings: Get away from the course mindset – see 'the death of the online course' jennings (1999) – yep, 1999 …http://bit.ly/994SiF #lrnchat
05:44:02 pm sifowler: Methinks we need a #lrnchat on each of @mrch0mp3rs suggestions #lrnchat
05:44:03 pm LandDDave: Q3) New areas will likely result in the same problems – improper or ineffective usage. I think that's the bigger issue. #lrnchat
05:44:15 pm drtimony: start at the beginning AND the end. Work towards the middle. What knowledge is necc? What is the goal? Need to have both in mind. #lrnchat
05:44:15 pm tonya_simmons: @petersonandrew but we could set it up like a choose-your-own-adventure book #lrnchat
05:44:20 pm urbie: @sheridan_webb if "pay-as-you-go" is the way to go what's the unit-of-measure? small portions at grocery costs more than bulk #lrnchat
05:44:23 pm jyotsnam: RT @usablelearning: Traditional instructional design could learn lots from the way UX folks do analysis, imho #lrnchat
05:44:26 pm sifowler: RT @charlesjennings: Get away from the course mindset – see the death of the online course jennings (1999) …http://bit.ly/994SiF #lrnchat
05:44:29 pm StephanieDaul: Q3) YOu need to have a large toolbox as a designer, not everything is a nail. #lrnchat
05:44:41 pm mrch0mp3rs: @StephanieDaul @sifowler You guys need to google "Knowledge Space" if you want to find out more (or listen to my talks next 2wks) #lrnchat
05:44:42 pm langholloman: @c4lpt users/learners contributing to content as an addition. I can't agree more! #lrnchat
05:44:58 pm mrch0mp3rs: RDF & the notion of the "Semantic Web" #lrnchat
05:45:01 pm tmiket: @c4lpt Yes indeed encourage at every opportunity #lrnchat
05:45:15 pm Rsuominen: Q3 Getting rid of the traditional textbook prototype #lrnchat
05:45:20 pm sheridan_webb: @tonya_simmons That would be SO cool!!! But is it practical/cost effective? #lrnchat
05:45:29 pm tonya_simmons: @StephanieDaul but if you get used to just using your hammer, everything IS a nail #lrnchat
05:45:33 pm tmiket: @StephanieDaul AND know how to use those tools appropriately. #lrnchat
05:45:38 pm fredsheahan: Very prescient! RT @charlesjennings: Get away from the course mindset – see 'the death of the online course' http://bit.ly/994SiF #lrnchat
05:45:39 pm sahana2802: RT @sifowler: RT @charlesjennings: Get away from the course mindset – see the death of the online course jennings (1999) …http://bit.ly/994SiF #lrnchat
05:45:41 pm LandDDave: @mrch0mp3rs Share a schedule please. #lrnchat
05:46:04 pm jyotsnam: @usablelearning which UX analysis techniques/tools do you think are good?why? Just curious . #lrnchat
05:46:17 pm sifowler: Man, how about topics of some depth, would you? RT @mrch0mp3rs: RDF & the notion of the "Semantic Web" #lrnchat
05:46:18 pm mrch0mp3rs: @LandDDave I just put one up the other day on my blog, brother. #lrnchat
05:46:18 pm sheridan_webb: @urbie true – there's always a balance to be gained. #lrnchat
05:46:30 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat Just in time education. (question driven, not assigned)
05:46:41 pm juliadesigns: RT @sheridan_webb: @kelticray #lrnchat we are used to a flexible, 'pay-as-you-go' world – learning needs to start following suit
05:46:44 pm sheridan_webb: RT @tonya_simmons: @StephanieDaul but if you get used to just using your hammer, everything IS a nail #lrnchat
05:46:51 pm kelticray: @sheridan_webb What's the title of your book? #lrnchat
05:46:55 pm ulrikajonson: RT @charlesjennings: Get away from the course mindset – see 'the death of the online course' jennings 1999…http://bit.ly/994SiF #lrnchat
05:47:08 pm urbie: @Rsuominen in chronicles of higher ed today a survey suggests learners like traditional textbooks. #lrnchat
05:47:08 pm smitty1966: RT @Rsuominen: Q3 Getting rid of the traditional textbook prototype #lrnchat
05:47:15 pm coyenator: RT @smitty1966: Apple delivers products 2 millions of users- dont spend a dime 2 teach them how 2 use it! Get on your iPad n ride! #lrnchat
05:47:57 pm coyenator: RT @larshyland: #lrnchat new systematic design: Confidence-Context-Content-Collaborate-Competence-Continue
05:47:58 pm drtimony: classroom is more like a novel than a football team. We're not grinding towards the end, we're playing roles and evolving… #lrnchat
05:48:01 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
05:48:09 pm sifowler: q3) need to understand power relationships wrt to knowledge and teaching/learning/mentoring/asking/etc, #lrnchat
05:48:17 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat re: textbook. I'm personally in love with flatworldknowledge
05:48:20 pm ghenrick: @urbie just in time and just what they want and need. #lrnchat
05:48:34 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
05:48:45 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
05:48:58 pm smitty1966: Knowledge engine + SME & learner content = @larshyland #lrnchat Confidence-Context-Content-Collaborate-Competence-Continue
05:49:46 pm kelticray: RT @urbie @Rsuominen learners like traditional textbooks. #lrnchat I teach online & students prefer a book. Is this bcuz it is familiar?
05:50:00 pm tmiket: Another great #lrnchat now back to work Mike Taylor Columbus, OH http://bit.ly/miketaylor
05:50:00 pm mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, Chicago, IL. If you like my responses to Q3, find me speaking at one of these conferences: http://beard.it/3b #lrnchat
05:50:03 pm usablelearning: @lrnchat Qwrap) Julie Dirksen, Minneapolis – ID nerd – love learning, games, brain stuff, ux, all things geeky #lrnchat
05:50:08 pm torriedunlap: QW) Torrie, San Diego, non-profit training agency. Thanks for a great session, everyone! #lrnchat
05:50:26 pm StephanieDaul: Stephanie Daul, Chicago, Instructional Designer changing that to Interaction Designer #lrnchat
05:50:26 pm tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, production developer, Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames, IA http://www.phasient.com @Phasient #lrnchat
05:50:36 pm sifowler: Qwrap) Simon Fowler, Forum Corp. At end of 30 days of relational thinking blog http://sifowler.wordpress.com/30-days-index/ #lrnchat
05:50:59 pm urbie: Q#3 remember too, we don't have to do all the work. we have helpers like "Marian the Librarian." http://bit.ly/cpXbVY #lrnchat
05:51:06 pm mbprins: Bob Prins, Instructional Designer and L3 (Life Long Learner) #lrnchat
05:51:06 pm drtimony: David Timony, Philly! K12 educator, teacher prep prof, cognitive researcher. Always open to the DM, the @, or watch my blog #lrnchat
05:51:09 pm StephanieDaul: Great chat today! #lrnchat
05:51:29 pm c4lpt: Qwrap) Jane Hart, following on frm Charles's point pls read my "State of Workplace Learning" http://c4lpt.co.uk/handbook/state.html #lrnchat
05:51:59 pm kelticray: @lrnchat: Qwrap) Donna Bailey, Salt Lake –teacher, ISD, general geek, writer #lrnchat
05:52:00 pm langholloman: #lrnchat lang holloman, CSC/Navy, SCORM, hopes man learns from oil
05:52:15 pm StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
05:52:15 pm petersonandrew: Qwrap) Andrew Peterson, West Shore Community College, Michigan, Game Design Instructor #lrnchat
05:52:24 pm urbie: urbie delgado, iPad as elearning tool instructional designer/researcher, washington dc, http://www.urbie.com #lrnchat
05:52:38 pm Rsuominen: @urbie Can you offer a link to that survey? #lrnchat
05:52:42 pm LandDDave: Qwrap) Thanks for another great chat! David Kelly, New York City. #lrnchat
05:52:43 pm sifowler: 'tis a good read RT @c4lpt: Qwrap) Jane Hart, pls read my "State of Workplace Learning" http://c4lpt.co.uk/handbook/state.html #lrnchat
05:53:02 pm smitty1966: Qwrap) Jeff Smith | Technology and Learning @edupros, Toronto. Great discussion. #lrnchat
05:53:06 pm coyenator: RT @solidstateux: Instructional designers like theories. Interaction designers like patterns. Gotta be something in the middle #lrnchat
05:53:34 pm sifowler: Thanks @lrnchat and everyone for another stimulating chat. Hope for more 'design' talk on future #lrnchat
05:53:45 pm c4lpt: @sifowler Thanks🙂 #lrnchat
05:53:51 pm ghenrick: Qwrap) Gavin, from Enovation Solutions in Ireland, Education Solutions Consultant. – Thanks all, great discussion #lrnchat
05:53:54 pm JffZllr: QWrap) Jeff Zoller, Learning Consultant, Columbus… (ended up being more of a lurker today!) #lrnchat
05:53:55 pm fredsheahan: Thanks for a great #lrnchat: Fred Sheahan, Boston, Technology and Learning at Harvard.
05:54:05 pm mrch0mp3rs: @sifowler I know. I'm a real slacker. #lrnchat
05:54:28 pm kelticray: #lrnchat Thanks for an interesting session. Enjoyed it as usual.
05:54:30 pm Rsuominen: Riitta Suominen from Tampere, Finland – Course Designer, Writer, eLearning and Communications Specialist. #lrnchat
05:54:42 pm langholloman: #lrnchat focus on understanding and knowledge, not training learners for temporary memorization to pass a test for final credit of subject
05:54:49 pm charlesjennings: Qwrap) Charles Jennings. learning & performance focus. consultant. http://www.duntroon.com and http://bit.ly/bSSjqo #lrnchat
05:56:29 pm StephanieDaul: @JffZllr @fredsheahan Thanks for joining today! #lrnchat
05:57:36 pm Rsuominen: Thanks for the discussion, see you next week. #lrnchat
05:57:53 pm charlesjennings: @c4lpt and all. Thanks for the #lrnchat – lots of fodder for thought.
05:58:01 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls invite others next week & tell us if you blog about the conversation. http://j.mp/lrnchat
05:59:02 pm lrnchat: We'll announce here as soon as the #lrnchat transcript is posted to the website.

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