Transcript 20-May 2010 (Early)

04:29:38 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
04:31:27 pm johnoflaherty: molto bene, grazie #lrnchat
04:31:41 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself (we’ll do this again at the end): Location? Focus? Favorite topics?
04:32:55 pm Quinnovator: next 90 mins will be #lrnchat madness, duck or join!
04:33:31 pm lrnchat: 2) Try to stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
04:33:36 pm lrnchat: 3) Write complete thoughts to help followers outside #lrnchat learn from you.
04:34:06 pm johnoflaherty: L&D Professional based in Dublin, Ireland and working for hi-tech global multi-national. Change agent for Collaborative Learning #lrnchat
04:34:13 pm simbeckhampson: RT @Quinnovator: next 90 mins will be #lrnchat madness, duck or join! < Joining too…
04:35:16 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, elearning strategist, learning experience design instigator, genial malcontent, consult/speak/write Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
04:35:53 pm Tina_Barr: #lrnchat: Name: Tina Location: Boston Focus: Education Favorite topics: Social Media
04:35:55 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so those outside #lrnchat know what we're talking about & so they can contribute too.
04:35:56 pm lrnchat: 4) Remember to include #lrnchat in all posts or use a tool like http://tweetchat.com or http://tweetgrid.com
04:36:00 pm janet_frg: RT @Quinnovator: next 90 mins will be #lrnchat madness, duck or join!
04:36:13 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, ISD Specialist, North Texas #lrnchat
04:36:13 pm lrnchat: 6) On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really.
04:36:23 pm mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, Chicago – Community Manager for ADL (I'm not tired of saying it), Beard, cognitively reaching higher planes. #lrnchat
04:36:24 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat
04:36:34 pm StephanieDaul: Stephanie Daul, learning designer, R&D for learning, Chicago #lrnchat
04:37:05 pm urbie: urbie delgado, instructional designer and nascent iPad wielding social media explorer, washington, dc #lrnchat
04:37:42 pm lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too #lrnchat
04:38:06 pm simbeckhampson: Paul Simbeck-Hampson, Consultant, the Bavarian forest… #lrnchat
04:38:14 pm Quinnovator: @mrch0mp3rs higher planes? Does that mean out in the ether? #lrnchat
04:38:58 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Quinnovator Ether, like my mama says, knocks me out.😉 #lrnchat
04:39:13 pm hjarche: Harold Jarche: Atlantic Canada, blogger, consultant & renunciate curmudgeon #lrnchat
04:39:13 pm tonya_simmons: Hey all Tonya Goth Simmons, production developer, Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames, Iowa #lrnchat
04:39:13 pm mkeflorist: Apture on Blogger < A New Screencast by Simbeck-Hampson – #lrnchat #edtech #socialmedia #amplify #apture http://amplify.com/u/67uc
04:39:18 pm Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers from kingston ontario, learning strategist – learning more and more every day. #lrnchat
04:39:35 pm Quinnovator: @simbeckhampson like the new avatar image! #lrnchat
04:39:50 pm tmiket: RT @Quinnovator: next 90 mins will be #lrnchat madness, duck or join!
04:39:52 pm mbr1online: Marty Rosenheck, learning strategist, cogniitive science guy, just back from #astd10 #lrnchat
04:39:55 pm millennial_ID: Christina Stephenson here, Instructional Designer in Orange County, CA #lrnchat
04:40:02 pm mrch0mp3rs: @hjarche You're really not quite a curmudgeon. I've never seen you hashtag #getoffmylawn. #lrnchat
04:40:06 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche now you made me go and look up renunciate #lrnchat
04:40:07 pm denniscallahan: Hello! Dennis Callahan- CT/MA USA Workplace Learning, Learnstreaming, #lrnchat
04:40:08 pm jbvetter: Joining #lrnchat for next 90 min to chat about online learning. Join us…or feel free to ignore my tweets!
04:40:09 pm Elenatikh: ID Professiaonal based in Moscow, Topics: ID, Socialmedia in Learning, Active learning #lrnchat
04:40:13 pm sheridan_webb: #lrnchat – if you were attending a seminar of training design, what would you want it to cover?
04:40:18 pm torriedunlap: Just got here- Torrie from San Diego Hi all! #lrnchat
04:40:25 pm lrnchat: Q0) What did you learn today? If not today, then what did you learn this week? #lrnchat
04:40:41 pm langholloman: #lrnchat Lang, CSC/Navy, SCORM, Soc/Coll Experiences, oily beach
04:40:56 pm readywriting: Lee Skallerup, Kentucky (not originally), independent educator, edupreneur. #lrnchat
04:41:20 pm simbeckhampson: @Quinnovator Thanks Clark, The summer look – 007 theme😉 #lrnchat
04:41:26 pm hjarche: @mrch0mp3rs that's cuz I haven't seen you on my lawn yet (not really a lawn, more of a dandelion field) #lrnchat
04:41:31 pm StephanieDaul: This week was packed with what I learned. Attended #ASTD10 #lrnchat
04:41:43 pm Quinnovator: @mrch0mp3rs "There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge" #lrnchat
04:42:07 pm Mary_a_Myers: i learning that details are important. regular massages are important to make time for. and that assumptions shld be avoided #lrnchat
04:42:24 pm jbvetter: Non-profit trainer and instructional design. Based in Boston, projects internationally. Speciality in webinars & virtual meetings. #lrnchat
04:42:24 pm torriedunlap: Q0) It can be tough for an open system to collaborate with a closed system! #lrnchat
04:42:30 pm LandDDave: Hi All. David Kelly, Training Director for NYC based Bank #lrnchat
04:42:33 pm JudithELS: Apologies for a plethora of tweets. I'm about to drop-in to #lrnchat and c41pt's #edtech10 presentation – yikes!
04:42:45 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) It's early hope to learn something in #lrnchat
04:42:48 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @StephanieDaul: This week was packed with what I learned. Attended #ASTD10 >Just started! #lrnchat
04:44:14 pm mrch0mp3rs: I’ve learned I need to read me some Hunter S. and Bukowski. #lrnchat
04:44:16 pm lrnchat: Q1) In what ways can media be used well to support learning? #lrnchat
04:44:16 pm mpalko: I learned that I work best on teams that are fed by two pizzas or less #lrnchat
04:44:25 pm Quinnovator: Q0) learned the value of timely silence (not that I intend to practice it) #lrnchat
04:44:27 pm jbvetter: Yesterday, I learned how to integrate a live Twitter feed into a Adobe Connect webinar. Pretty cool! #lrnchat
04:44:28 pm Tina_Barr: I learned about FBLI a way for businesses to look xtra pretty on Facebook #lrnchat
04:44:31 pm JasonFane: I would love to participate in #lrnchat today, but work is keeping me away.
I wish you all the best of discussions.
04:44:54 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @denniscallahan Q0) “how” can be more important than “what” #lrnchat << agreed!
04:44:54 pm hjarche: learned that most biz folks prefer to buy their way out of problems with tech, instead of looking at core issues, esp culture #lrnchat
04:44:57 pm Tina_Barr: @StephanieDaul🙂 Yup! #lrnchat
04:44:58 pm simbeckhampson: Go Jane! Multi tasking is challenging, phew!🙂 @hjarche @JudithELS @janet_frg @StephanieDaul #lrnchat #edtech10
04:45:10 pm Elenatikh: Q0 Learned a lot from Unesco Report on higher education http://is.gd/chE7q #lrnchat
04:45:10 pm Quinnovator: Q1) mapping media to message: graphics for conceptual relationships, photos/video for contextualization…#lrnchat
04:45:10 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @lrnchat Q1) In what ways can media be used well to support learning? #lrnchat
04:45:15 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) In what ways can media be used well to support learning? #lrnchat
04:45:18 pm Tina_Barr: @tonya_simmons haha, smart kid! #lrnchat
04:45:23 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Rereading Allison Rossett's Training Needs Assessment #lrnchat
04:45:27 pm StephanieDaul: RT @jbvetter: Yesterday, I learned how to integrate a live Twitter feed into a Adobe Connect webinar. Pretty cool! Tell us how #lrnchat
04:45:29 pm nollvk: Just arrived. Valerie Noll, Omaha; ISD for Crew Training Intl; and my first day back at work after ICE #lrnchat
04:45:34 pm Mary_a_Myers: @mrch0mp3rs a while back charles b was "on" twitter with random tweets from his books. sad it's not happening still. #lrnchat
04:45:45 pm torriedunlap: RT @jbvetter: Yesterday, I learned how to integrate a live Twitter feed into a Adobe Connect webinar. Pretty cool! #lrnchat That is cool!
04:45:49 pm millennial_ID: Media is such a broad word. What types of Media? #lrnchat
04:46:08 pm Tina_Barr: RT @hjarche: learned biz folks prefer 2 buy their way out of problems w/ tech, instead of looking at core issues, esp culture #lrnchat
04:46:09 pm ralphmercer: RT @hjarche: learned that most biz folks prefer to buy their way out of problems with tech, instead of looking at core issues, esp culture #lrnchat
04:46:09 pm mpalko: Q1) on demand tutorials…converting webex recordings into .wmv files #lrnchat
04:46:20 pm simbeckhampson: @lress I'm in Bavaria 🙂 #edtech10 #lrnchat
04:46:42 pm langholloman: #lrnchat Q1) well, paper led to the newspaper industry
04:46:48 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) "Media is the message" #lrnchat
04:47:23 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @langholloman: #lrnchat Q1) well, paper led to the newspaper industry #lrnchat
04:47:25 pm simbeckhampson: Q1) @Jane – Has to be Twitter… #edtech10 #lrnchat
04:47:25 pm JudithELS: Hi Judith C-C from Warwickshire UK. What's the topic guys? #lrnchat
04:47:39 pm tonya_simmons: @Tina_Barr much too smart for his (or least my) own good🙂 #lrnchat
04:47:40 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Media increases/enhances accessibility for the learner #lrnchat
04:47:50 pm jbvetter: New, free Twitter Connect extension puts a live Twitter feed in a Adobe Connect webinar/virtual meeting-cool! #lrnchat http://bit.ly/bUTazu
04:47:59 pm johnoflaherty: Q1: Media supports learning of it forces/enables learner to engage with the subject matter #lrnchat
04:48:18 pm sheridan_webb: Q0 – Learned that I know about 0ne-tenth of a percent of what is possible with technology these days #lrnchat
04:48:23 pm StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q1) In what ways can media be used well to support learning? #lrnchat
04:48:25 pm readywriting: What did I learn? @supercoolschools is a pretty awesome platform. #lrnchat
04:48:37 pm mbr1online: Q1) Media is great for providing meaningful scenarios for learning #lrnchat
04:48:37 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Media increases the viability/validity of the learning unit. #lrnchat
04:48:38 pm Elenatikh: Q1 Activity in learning, social media can help in constructing knowledge not in delivering it #lrnchat
04:48:43 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q1) In what ways can media be used well to support learning? #lrnchat
04:49:00 pm langholloman: @kelly_smith01 #lrnchat or does Media represent the Message
04:49:07 pm Quinnovator: @millennial_ID we started talking about graphics, but decided to be more inclusive: video, audio, graphics, photos, …? #lrnchat
04:49:12 pm sheridan_webb: Q1 definitely twitter – there are so many helpful people out there if you just connect with them. #lrnchat
04:49:18 pm noahsparks: Noah Sparks — Community Curator — innovation, leadership, service, creative chaos, learning experience designer — SLC, UT #lrnchat
04:49:33 pm johnoflaherty: Q1: Media needs to avoid distracting the learner. Media is the means, not the end #lrnchat
04:49:33 pm Quinnovator: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Media increases the viability/validity of the learning unit. #lrnchat
04:49:33 pm mpalko: Using Audacity http://tinyurl.com/7xp2v to create mp3s #lrnchat
04:49:46 pm Elenatikh: Q1 – Can give a deeper view and understanding of subject, learning closer to the real life #lrnchat
04:49:49 pm marloft: @c4lpt Q1- Twitter #lrnchat #edtech10
04:49:49 pm nollvk: Twitter changed the way I took notes at ICE – tried to form 140 character learning bytes. Supported greater retention for me #lrnchat
04:50:10 pm StephanieDaul: Learning is about using all the senses. Media enhances the learning experience by stimulating different senses #lrnchat
04:50:24 pm TrainingTweet: Q1) creating a place (like #lrnchat) where learning is shared, public, accessible and interactive
04:50:25 pm hjarche: Q!) how can you learn without a communications medium? media essential, tho often misused #lrnchat
04:50:40 pm mik3yv: RT @Quinnovator: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Media increases the viability/validity of the learning unit. #lrnchat
04:50:43 pm marloft: @c4lpt Q2- Yes, Twitter for Prof Dev, networking, learning etc. #lrnchat #edtech10
04:51:05 pm nollvk: Q1: also, the backchannel at ICE allowed me to see others' learning in action. #lrnchat
04:51:19 pm Quinnovator: RT @johnoflaherty: Q1: Media needs to avoid distracting the learner. Media is the means, not the end #lrnchat good mentor can be v effective
04:58:20 pm simbeckhampson: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Is learning the medium, or the action that results in cognitive growth? #lrnchat
04:58:40 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Don’t use media to make learners happy. Use media to enhance and improve on-the-job performance outcome. #lrnchat
04:58:41 pm petersonandrew: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Is learning the medium, or the action that results in cognitive growth? #lrnchat
04:59:04 pm langholloman: @mrch0mp3rs #lrnchat much of ‘interactive media’ is animated sand drawings until they really engage action by the learner to immersion
04:59:13 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Tina_Barr I dunno. Watching Youtube isn’t very interactive. Commenting or posting a video in response is more interactive… #lrnchat
04:59:16 pm amphiboly: #lrnchat r/t mrch0mp3rs “Is learning the medium, or the action that results in cognitive growth?” > Or process for transformation.
04:59:26 pm jbvetter: Richard E. Mayer has done great research on effective media for learning. #lrnchat http://bit.ly/96ycCT
04:59:41 pm simbeckhampson: @kelly_smith01 Making learners happy is also cool😉 #lrnchat
04:59:43 pm johnoflaherty: Access to and ease of media now enables/forces everyone to think like a publisher. Share, share, share. Brand, brand, brand #lrnchat
04:59:49 pm TrainingTweet: Q1) @noahsparks yes – to new questions, and should give platform for the learner to assimilate the new into what they already know #lrnchat
04:59:53 pm dturnbow: following the #lrnchat conversation on twitter. Q1 is something I think about all of the time: In what …http://bit.ly/9TlzEb
04:59:58 pm simbeckhampson: RT @jbvetter: Richard E. Mayer has done great research on effective media for learning. http://bit.ly/96ycCT #lrnchat
05:00:20 pm LearnTribe: RT @StephanieDaul: Sound enhances the learning experience. … games … #lrnchat – YES games motivate & engage, traditional often misses
05:00:24 pm lizziepauker: What about both? RT @kelly_smith01 Q0) Don’t use media 2 make learners happy. Use media 2 enhance & improve onthejob perf outcome. #lrnchat
05:00:51 pm noahsparks: @johnoflaherty I agree! tread into new territory with the help of media #lrnchat
05:01:07 pm denniscallahan: Yes, when they can apply the learning outside of the media @johnoflaherty #lrnchat
05:01:47 pm drtimony: We mistake happy for lack of learning don’t we? Maybe they are happy b/c they finally understand RT @lizziepauker: What about both? #lrnchat
05:02:13 pm bschlenker: I wish all “media” was THIS good http://www.stormwind.com/success-stories.html #lrnchat #lrnchat
05:02:34 pm mrch0mp3rs: @langholloman That’s why I’m pushing back on the idea that most media today is interactive. Shiny != interactive #lrnchat
05:03:04 pm zcarr: Ideally learning happens when you have a 3 sense stimuli ex. Audio, Action, and visual #lrnchat
05:03:25 pm Tina_Barr: RT @bschlenker: I wish all “media” was THIS good http://www.stormwind.com/success-stories.html #lrnchat
05:03:35 pm drtimony: Like swimming. You’re not doing what the water does, your just in it. RT @mrch0mp3rs: @langholloman Thats why Im pushing back #lrnchat
05:03:51 pm tonya_simmons: @mrch0mp3rs shiny! can also = distracting #lrnchat
05:04:06 pm StephanieDaul: Is audio always just the voice? #lrnchat
05:04:09 pm mbr1online: Q1 It’s not the media – it’s instructional methods that count:see R. Clark’s classic Media Comparison Studies http://bit.ly/7Idba0 #lrnchat
05:04:11 pm urbie: @LearnTribe the book, mentor is the media #lrnchat
05:04:37 pm amphiboly: @mrch0mp3rs @langholloman “Shiny != interactive” #lrnchat <– Agree. When substance is married to presentation, however…
05:04:42 pm lrnchat: Q2) How do we misuse media in learning? #lrnchat
05:04:55 pm hjarche: Ruth Clark's six principles are a good place to start for effective use of media for learning http://is.gd/chFJ5 #lrnchat
05:05:12 pm petersonandrew: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do we misuse media in learning? #lrnchat
05:05:21 pm jbvetter: Learners happy can = engaged. RT @kelly_smith01 Q0) Don't use media 2 make learners happy. Use media 2…improve onthejob perf … #lrnchat
05:05:23 pm CatMoore: @mrch0mp3rs YouTube can be used for branching videos–video ends w/ decision point, viewer picks option, sees result in linked vid #lrnchat
05:05:29 pm tonya_simmons: Q2) Power Point, nuff said #lrnchat
05:05:35 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat media often becomes filler
05:05:37 pm simbeckhampson: RT @hjarche: Ruth Clark's six principles are a good place to start for effective use of media for learning http://is.gd/chFJ5 #lrnchat
05:05:42 pm readywriting: Q2) we use it as a crutch, as the end instead of a means to an end. #lrnchat
05:06:03 pm simbeckhampson: @tonya_simmons – sunglasses needed when too shiny🙂 #lrnchat
05:06:08 pm CatMoore: Sample of branching scenario on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFVkzYDNJqo #lrnchat
05:06:14 pm nollvk: @jbvetter excellent article and very timely for me – thank you for sharing the link. #lrnchat
05:06:17 pm jbvetter: Unhappy can = logged off! RT @kelly_smith01 Q0) Don't use media 2 make learners happy. Use media 2…improve onthejob perf … #lrnchat
05:06:22 pm Tina_Barr: Q2) We misuse media by letting it find the answers for us, not asking the right ?s and failing to learn from it! #lrnchat
05:06:22 pm drtimony: Q2) Allow it to take the place of instruction or Disallow students from being the instructors but interpreting the media ourselves. #lrnchat
05:06:38 pm mrch0mp3rs: @CatMoore BRANCHING VIDEOS???? No snark there — I actually didn't know that. THAT would be very cool. #lrnchat
05:06:43 pm dturnbow: @hjarche also Richard Mayer's Principles for Multimedia Learning #lrnchat #lrnchat
05:06:44 pm noahsparks: RT @bschlenker: I wish all "media" was THIS good http://www.stormwind.com/success-stories.html #lrnchat #LDSLeader #lrnchat
05:06:46 pm mrch0mp3rs: @CatMoore BRANCHING VIDEOS???? No snark there — I actually didn't know that. THAT would be very cool.
#lrnchat
05:07:02 pm Tina_Barr: @tonya_simmons PowerPoint is SOOOO over used! #lrnchat
05:07:11 pm amphiboly: #lrnchat Q2: We confuse presentation with substance. Like Ninon de L'Enclos wrote, what is striking and beautiful is not always good
05:07:16 pm CatMoore: Q2: We spend energy & time on media instead of cognitive challenge, real engagement #lrnchat
05:07:18 pm millennial_ID: Q2) We try to use too much of it, or use the wrong method for the topic #lrnchat
05:07:27 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @CatMoore Sample of branching scenario on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFVkzYDNJqo #lrnchat
05:07:52 pm CatMoore: @mrch0mp3rs Branching videos done through annotations: You can add links as buttons on the video itself #lrnchat
05:07:53 pm Tina_Barr: Yup! RT @readywriting: Q2) we use it as a crutch, as the end instead of a means to an end. #lrnchat
05:07:56 pm jbvetter: Happily learning is ideal… RT @kelly_smith01 Q0) Don't use media 2 make learners happy. Use media 2…improve onthejob perf … #lrnchat
05:08:07 pm macrofireball: RT @CatMoore: Sample of branching scenario on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFVkzYDNJqo #lrnchat
05:08:08 pm johnoflaherty: Q2 We use what we know. We don’t stay current #lrnchat
05:08:11 pm langholloman: #lrnchat Q2) marketing/advert is educ to take action to spend $ in 3 secs or less, highly mis-used yet somehow very effective on lrnrs
05:08:16 pm petersonandrew: Media should enhance, not dominate any discussion #lrnchat
05:08:20 pm JudithELS: RT @CatMoore: Q2: We spend energy & time on media instead of cognitive challenge, real engagement <agreed, very good observation. #lrnchat
05:08:33 pm zcarr: RT @CatMoore: Q2: We spend energy & time on media instead of cognitive challenge, real engagement #lrnchat
05:08:49 pm urbie: @Tina_Barr it's overused because it's effective. Also because it's ubiquitous. Media can't be opaque. #lrnchat
05:09:05 pm hjarche: R @CatMoore: Sample of branching scenario on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFVkzYDNJqo #lrnchat
05:09:20 pm tonya_simmons: @Tina_Barr (PPT) not mention abused #lrnchat
05:09:26 pm Quinnovator: Q1) also 'mashups': narrated animations, text & graphics ( graphic novels, manga FTW!) #lrnchat
05:09:29 pm nollvk: Q2 we learning something, and then cling to it because it is comfortable, until it is as overused as the media we replaced. #lrnchat
05:09:41 pm johnoflaherty: Q2 When media distracts from the learning. When we try to be too clever. Need to avoid over-loading learners #lrnchat
05:09:45 pm mrch0mp3rs: We substitute slick for substance. Well, *we* might not, but decisionmakers/stakeholders do. #lrnchat
05:09:46 pm LandDDave: Q2) Any time you hear someone talking about the media and not the learning, there's a good chance the media is being misused. #lrnchat
05:09:57 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do we misuse media in learning? #lrnchat
05:10:00 pm petersonandrew: @urbie #lrnchat is media used because it is effective, or it is easy
05:10:09 pm larshyland: Q2) Media adds nothing if it lacks context, engagement, fails to tell a story or add insight to a concept #lrnchat
05:10:11 pm millennial_ID: It's hard for me at times to step away from media. Sometimes I get 2 excited about what I want to use & not what SHOULD be used. #lrnchat
05:10:15 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do we misuse media in learning? #lrnchat
05:10:18 pm Tina_Barr: @urbie interesting points. Agreed content makes it effective. For educational purposes one must be a bit wary or just aware #lrnchat
05:10:18 pm drtimony: RT @LandDDave: Q2) Any time you hear someone talking about the media and not the learning = good chance the media is being misused. #lrnchat
05:10:45 pm langholloman: #lrnchat Q2) i've seen Video Branching thru dev. in DVD Studio, which branches video exper. based on selections thru timeline
05:10:55 pm StephanieDaul: RT @LandDDave:Any time you hear someone talking about the media and not learning, theres a good chance the media is being misused. #lrnchat
05:10:56 pm lizziepauker: @DrTimony exactly! Learners should be happy b/c of the experience but also the value. You have to offer both. #lrnchat
05:11:01 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) Using non-business case scenarios (demos/simulations) in learning units. <— misuse #lrnchat
05:11:14 pm Quinnovator: Q2) under-design and over-produce, bad match of media to message, too many bells/whistle and gratuitous media #lrnchat
05:11:15 pm Tina_Barr: @tonya_simmons promise you won't teach the 2yrold to PPT ABC's🙂 #lrnchat
05:11:18 pm jbvetter: @nollvk Glad you found the article useful. http://bit.ly/96ycCT Mayer has a great but tougher book. http://amzn.to/cMQcMu #lrnchat
05:11:26 pm Tina_Barr: RT @larshyland: Q2) Media adds nothing if it lacks context, engagement, fails to tell a story or add insight to a concept #lrnchat
05:11:34 pm urbie: q#2 not that media is misused: too often the teacher doesn't hang around to see how it's used. best known method involves feedback #lrnchat
05:11:44 pm johnoflaherty: Q2 When the medium scares the audience and they don't engage as a result. Just because I am comfortable does not mean your are. #lrnchat
05:11:46 pm TrainingTweet: A great learning experience w/o media could likely be even better; A poor learning experience w/cool media, is still bad. #lrnchat
05:11:48 pm JudithELS: Q2 – it's the tail (technology) wagging the dog (learning) all over again. #lrnchat
05:11:48 pm larshyland: Q2) Note that the impact of and appropriateness of media use is not related to production quality #lrnchat
05:11:55 pm drtimony: use media to tell your story in a different manner-here's a book, painting, song, dance. All about the same thing. Now teach me. #lrnchat
05:12:05 pm tonya_simmons: RT @Tina_Barr: @tonya_simmons promise you won't teach the 2yrold to PPT ABC's🙂 #lrnchat presently he won't sit still that long
05:12:11 pm amphiboly: @LandDDave "Any time you hear someone talking about the media & not the lrning, there's chance the media is being misused."#lrnchat <- Agree
05:12:18 pm Tina_Barr: RT @LandDDave:Any time U hear sum1 talking abt the media & not learning, theres a gd chance the media is being misused. #lrnchat
05:12:22 pm noahsparks: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) under-design and over-produce, bad match of media to message, 2 many bells/whistle & gratuitous media #lrnchat #lrnchat
05:12:28 pm Quinnovator: Q2) reckon we *way* underuse comics, comic strips, graphic novels, manga #lrnchat
05:13:04 pm Quinnovator: (apologies, seemed to have a clog in the tweetstream, now back on for whatever reason) #lrnchat
05:13:19 pm mbr1online: Q1) Good question: what's the signal to noise ratio for media? Often too much noise -that distracts from the key learning #lrnchat
05:13:21 pm JudithELS: Q2 Also using the media for the wrong aims/purposes in learning. #lrnchat
05:13:22 pm drtimony: Please check out http://www.zudacomics.com RT @Quinnovator: Q2) reckon we *way* underuse comics, comic strips, graphic novels, manga #lrnchat
05:13:24 pm urbie: @Tina_Barr you know media worked when learner thinks it was her idea. #lrnchat
05:13:29 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Quinnovator Original, custom art is much harder to produce; not many orgs have that talent in-house and its expensive. #lrnchat
05:13:39 pm joe_deegan: Q2) We misuse media by focusing on it over design. #lrnchat
05:13:40 pm StephanieDaul: @Quinnovator just had a coworker design a comic about development. Really good! #lrnchat
05:13:46 pm Quinnovator: Q2) don't use enough diagrams/animations (conceptual representations) for concept presentation (not model-focused enough) #lrnchat
05:13:47 pm larshyland: Storytelling is what's really missing RT @Quinnovator: Q2) reckon we *way* underuse comics, comic strips, graphic novels, manga #lrnchat
05:14:04 pm amphiboly: @TrainingTweet "A poor learning experience w/cool media, is still bad." #lrnchat <– Like art, it should delight and instruct….
05:14:08 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat media can also be a wonderful venue for students to display their knowledge
05:14:11 pm Quinnovator: Q2) don't use enough graphic novels, voice-over video, other cognitive annotation methods for examples #lrnchat
05:14:16 pm johnoflaherty: @Quinnovator Re Manga, like the idea. Would cost be a prohibitive factor? any thoughts? #lrnchat
05:14:24 pm tonya_simmons: @Quinnovator just found out we have excellent comic artist on staff here & you're right, we should totally use that more #lrnchat
05:14:27 pm Quinnovator: RT @StephanieDaul: @Quinnovator just had a coworker design a comic about development. Really good! #lrnchat < love it!
05:14:27 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Quinnovator I'm with you… so much narrative good can be established with a good comic #lrnchat
05:14:43 pm joe_deegan: RT @LandDDave: Q2) Any time you hear talk about media and not learning, there's a good chance the media is being misused. #lrnchat
05:14:52 pm StephanieDaul: The comic used free clip art and powerpoint – cheap and easy #lrnchat
05:15:13 pm elizabethhector: #lrnchat Q2, had conversation with client this week about the future of learning in Second life, etc. Is virtual learning being oversold?
05:15:17 pm Quinnovator: @mrch0mp3rs actually, experience was: easy to find acceptable comic writers cheap, maybe outsource? #lrnchat
05:15:19 pm Tina_Barr: Well put! RT @urbie: @Tina_Barr you know media worked when learner thinks it was her idea. #lrnchat
05:15:51 pm CatMoore: Re comics, you don't nec. need illustrator. Graphic novel effect applied to stock photos (Haji Kamal): http://bit.ly/a1YQ3O #lrnchat
05:15:56 pm Quinnovator: Q2) don't use enough story-based M/C, branching scenario, games in meaningful practice #lrnchat
05:16:07 pm simbeckhampson: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) reckon we *way* underuse comics, comic strips, graphic novels, manga < totally agree. #lrnchat
05:16:14 pm drtimony: True abt so many things! RT @Tina_Barr you know media worked when learner thinks it was her idea. #lrnchat
05:16:18 pm dturnbow: RT @TrainingTweet: A poor learning experience w/cool media, is still bad. #lrnchat #lrnchat
05:16:21 pm urbie: Q#2 a way media can be misused is to limit where & how learner can get to it. Best (emerging) practice = just-in-time mobile media #lrnchat
05:16:34 pm amphiboly: @mrch0mp3rs @Quinnovator #lrnchat "good comic" <– Trick is to connect impact toward performance improvement. Hard sell in corp otherwise
05:16:37 pm bschlenker: RT lrnchat: Q2) How do we misuse media in learning? #lrnchat
05:16:37 pm StephanieDaul: Read Dan Pink's The last Adv of Johnny Bunko for a comic example #lrnchat
05:16:38 pm simbeckhampson: RT @larshyland Storytelling is what's really missing – Yes🙂 #lrnchat
05:16:42 pm Quinnovator: BTW, loving the #Lrnchat tweets here of @CatMoore would've retweeted more but had that #$%$^ tweetstream hiccup
05:17:01 pm noahsparks: Q2) media should enhance context NOT replace it #lrnchat
05:17:05 pm johnoflaherty: RT @elizabethhector: #lrnchat Q2, Is virtual learning being oversold? My gut feeling is Yes. I think it falls into the clever and shiny trap
05:17:21 pm Quinnovator: @elizabethhector VWs oversold and undersold: real value there in particular ways, but vendors overhyping general use #lrnchat
05:17:29 pm drtimony: Q2) allow the media to tell a story other than the one we want to tell. #lrnchat
05:17:35 pm CatMoore: @Quinnovator Thanks! I'm glad to be able to join today. Usually can't. #lrnchat
05:17:48 pm lizziepauker: @elizabethhector – I think the future is in social learning. I don't think it's being oversold but I don't think it's gr8 yet. #lrnchat
05:18:07 pm Quinnovator: @amphiboly absolutely, has to be targeted, but very easy to internationalize/localize, lots of good cog arguments #lrnchat
05:18:11 pm langholloman: #lrnchat Q2) digital social mediums have shown it doesn't have to be perfect, only do very well at getting the learner to commit to memory
05:18:30 pm urbie: @amphiboly you sure? If beauty (knowledge) is in the eye of the beholder then media is subjective. Your yucky media may be my ah-ha #lrnchat
05:18:35 pm readywriting: There are now graphic novel/manga versions of Shakespeare. #lrnchat
05:18:47 pm mrch0mp3rs: @johnoflaherty @elizabethhector There are some really incredible needs that VWs are uniquely equipped to answer #lrnchat
05:18:48 pm michaelcjohnson: RT @joe_deegan: Q2) We misuse media by focusing on it over design. #lrnchat
05:18:52 pm Quinnovator: RT @simbeckhampson: RT @larshyland Storytelling is what's really missing – Yes🙂 #lrnchat < yes
05:18:56 pm elizabethhector: #lrnchat Q2 follow up on media. Doesn't seem to be a business case for using Media (SL), but does there need to be?
05:19:53 pm timpmartin: @mrch0mp3rs i would assert that in many environments, style _is_ substance. #lrnchat
05:19:55 pm mrch0mp3rs: We often design the media in terms of marketing. That's not "bad" but that's not exactly "learning," and it's not holistic. #lrnchat
05:19:57 pm amphiboly: @Quinnovator "has to be targeted, but very easy to internationalize/localize, lots of good cog arguments" #lrnchat <- Agree
05:20:01 pm drtimony: the Instructor really needs to be the star of the show. That doesn't necessarily mean the 'teacher' #lrnchat
05:20:05 pm simbeckhampson: Facebook classic cartoon – http://bit.ly/csk5cV Q. Will you remember this tomorrow? Probably, next week? Likely – fun rocks! #lrnchat
05:20:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat media can also be a wonderful venue for students to display their knowledge < yes, user-generated media!
05:20:08 pm langholloman: #lrnchat Q2) – i never thought people would tolerate the poor quality of video on Youtube, yet its success demonstrates demand learning
05:20:27 pm bschlenker: Sorry all…but the Google I/O conference on YouTube is amazing http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleDevelopers #lrnchat
05:20:27 pm StephanieDaul: Q2) You don't need professional custom graphics, you need to use what you have well #lrnchat
05:20:36 pm umbgida: RT @bschlenker: Sorry all…but the Google I/O conference on YouTube is amazing http://www.youtube.com/user/GoogleDevelopers #lrnchat
05:20:41 pm petersonandrew: RT @readywriting: There are now graphic novel/manga versions of Shakespeare. #lrnchat
05:20:52 pm jbvetter: RT @elizabethhector: #lrnchat Q2, Is virtual learning being oversold? — VWs are suppose to feel real but body language is all *intentional*
05:20:58 pm Tina_Barr: RT @mrch0mp3rs: We oftn design media in terms of marketing. That's not "bad" but it's not exactly "learning," & it's not holistic. #lrnchat
05:21:03 pm audioswhite: RT @CatMoore: Q2: We spend energy & time on media instead of cognitive challenge, real engagement #lrnchat
05:21:06 pm StephanieDaul: @langholloman It shows it's not about the quality it's about the content and the ease of use #lrnchat
05:21:08 pm urbie: @drtimony it isn't that media tells a story; it has to speak to learner – resonate; a color-less story falls on deaf ears otherwise #lrnchat
05:21:20 pm Quinnovator: RT @StephanieDaul: Q2) You don't need professional custom graphics, you need to use what you have well #lrnchat < what she said
05:21:29 pm nollvk: Q2) The thing with VWs is they r just play until u debrief in some form. I think we let media replace student thinking at times. #lrnchat
05:22:02 pm Quinnovator: @mrch0mp3rs yet good marketing is customer education; we have things to learn from them, but vice versa #lrnchat
05:22:16 pm TriciaRansom: RT @LandDDave: Q2) Any time u hear someone talking about media & not learning, there's a good chance the media is being misused. #lrnchat
05:22:21 pm urbie: @johnoflaherty i agree with you; tech as one-size-fits all is fallacy; are we doing it because [we – designer] is anamored of it? #lrnchat
05:22:25 pm drtimony: I agree @urbie. that was a failure, not an admonition! In RE: to Q2. #lrnchat
05:22:26 pm LandDDave: Q2) Trainers often assume the learning point from a video is understood – the real learning usually comes from a post-discussion. #lrnchat
05:22:43 pm JudithELS: RT @StephanieDaul: Q2) You dont need professional custom graphics, you need to use what you have well <& it depends on the purpose. #lrnchat
05:22:44 pm Quinnovator: RT @CatMoore: Q2: We spend energy & time on media instead of cognitive challenge, real engagement #lrnchat < what she said
05:22:47 pm langholloman: #lrnchat Q2) i recently read through mounds of ID content for a Cert, what got the grade? pounding a question bank… misused media
05:23:05 pm CatMoore: Serious graphic novel use: version of US 9-11 Commission Report http://bit.ly/ai9kiJ #lrnchat
05:23:29 pm Quinnovator: @nollvk disagree, we can do deep challenge in VWs, but too much "lets just do a preso in 2nd life" #lrnchat
05:23:45 pm simbeckhampson: RT @CatMoore: Serious graphic novel use: version of US 9-11 Commission Report http://bit.ly/ai9kiJ #lrnchat
05:24:03 pm Quinnovator: Q2) need better alignment between objective, assessment, and media, and more minimalism! #lrnchat
05:24:10 pm LandDDave: RT @dturnbow: RT @TrainingTweet: A poor learning experience w/cool media, is still bad. #lrnchat
05:24:11 pm amphiboly: @urbie @johnoflaherty "tech as one-size-fits all is fallacy" #lrnchat <– Same can be said of the traditional classroom model
05:24:23 pm janet_frg: immersive/engaging learninge doesn't require graphics; it does require a lot of effort and forethought #lrnchat
05:24:32 pm lrnchat: Q3) What could we learn to help us use media better? #lrnchat
05:24:37 pm CatMoore: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) need better alignment between objective, assessment, and media, and more minimalism! <-yay minimalism! #lrnchat
05:24:41 pm JudithELS: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) need better alignment between objective, assessment, and media, and more minimalism! <Spot on! #lrnchat
05:24:51 pm simbeckhampson: @JudithELS Practice with graphics is useful, but teaming with an artist or creative people can produce amazing results. #lrnchat
05:24:58 pm Tina_Barr: @JudithELS: @StephanieDaul I agree graphics are not as important as content. Graphics can make ppl look content makes ppl stay #lrnchat
05:25:10 pm noahsparks: RT @janet_frg: immersive/engaging learninge doesn't require graphics; it does require a lot of effort and forethought #lrnchat
05:25:17 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What could we learn to help us use media better? #lrnchat
05:25:54 pm simbeckhampson: @janet_frg Kids are good with art – involve those who have fun with it… #lrnchat
05:26:11 pm Quinnovator: Q3) should look to interface design, marketing, graphic design, film, tv to see their principles #lrnchat
05:26:15 pm tonya_simmons: my husband just did his thesis (for RCPC) on USArmy comic Prevent. Maint. – they've used it 4 yrs to teach vehicle maint. #lrnchat
05:26:16 pm CatMoore: Q3: Helpful to learn what research suggests re learning & media use. Less is often more. #lrnchat
05:26:28 pm amphiboly: @Quinnovator "better alignment between objective, assessment, and media, and more minimalism!" #lrnchat <– Or focus.
05:26:36 pm BreannePH: RT @LandDDave: Q2) Any time you hear someone talking about the media and not the learning, there's a good chance the media is being misused. #lrnchat
05:26:38 pm JudithELS: RT @simbeckhampson: Practice with graphics is useful but teaming with an artist or creative people can produce amazing results.<:-) #lrnchat
05:26:48 pm CatMoore: Q3: Prototyping & testing on learners is helpful too #lrnchat
05:26:52 pm drtimony: Q3) fluency with interfaces so the process doesn't get in the way. #lrnchat
05:27:02 pm JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What could we learn to help us use media better? #lrnchat
05:27:08 pm johnoflaherty: Q3 Personally I think I could benefit from increased Communications expertise. Really understand what works and why #lrnchat
05:27:10 pm bbetts: @clairey_ross @Quinnovator re Q3: Increasingly we are in competition with design agencies for bespoke content development #lrnchat
05:27:12 pm Quinnovator: Q3) your homework part A (onerous I know): go consume more media – games, movies, comic books, plays, check out 'engagement'! #lrnchat
05:27:19 pm LandDDave: RT @Quinnovator: loving the #Lrnchat tweets here of @CatMoore < I agree, lots of favorites to review later.
05:27:41 pm StephanieDaul: Q3) I met a good designer who had a background in film not learning. He understood how to tell a story thru pictures #lrnchat
05:27:41 pm denniscallahan: Media should allow me to play so that I build skills/understanding #lrnchat
05:27:42 pm urbie: @StephanieDaul not ease of use exactly; more like need or seduction; think of kid NEEDing to skateboard after watching Tony Hawk #lrnchat
05:27:48 pm JudithELS: Q3 It's a question of being able to appraise each one in terms of strengths & weaknesses. #lrnchat
05:27:51 pm Quinnovator: Q3) homework part B, get up on deeper ID: Sweller, Van Merrienboer, Mayer, Carroll, #lrnchat
05:27:56 pm larshyland: Q3) First, work hard at clarity + tone of your writing, when that can't be improved, start looking at media support #lrnchat
05:28:10 pm simbeckhampson: @CatMoore Some strange visuals with "testing on learners"😉 Guinea Pigs… #lrnchat
05:28:19 pm jbvetter: Google just announced Google TV. Doing a demo now of Google on your regular TV. #lrnchat http://bit.ly/doIJGA
05:28:20 pm johnoflaherty: Q3 Also think we need to educate audiences about the characteristics and relative merits of different media #lrnchat
05:28:21 pm readywriting: Q3) What is available and who is there to help you. #lrnchat
05:28:34 pm StephanieDaul: @johnoflaherty take a film class at the local Com College #lrnchat
05:28:39 pm simbeckhampson: @denniscallahan Yes… more people need to start playing in Second Life #lrnchat
05:28:39 pm Tina_Barr: #lrnchat Q3) best ways to learn are by trying and learning from others took a great class last night (free) w/ @goodridge
05:28:44 pm drtimony: like quality assessment, it is decided upon in concert with the instructional objectives. Use a metric for reflection on effctvness #lrnchat
05:28:47 pm urbie: q#3 to learn to use media better we have to screw up a lot more and more often and ask peers and others for feedback #lrnchat
05:28:51 pm CatMoore: RT @StephanieDaul: Q3) good designer had background in film not learning. He understood how to tell a story thru pictures <yes! #lrnchat
05:29:01 pm Quinnovator: @bbetts fight back: they may know media, but they do NOT know learning, you need to know media from learning perspective #lrnchat
05:29:05 pm amphiboly: #lrnchat Q3: look back at transition periods of media (e.g., first talkies, first radio shows) to see where definitional struggles are
05:29:13 pm readywriting: RT @drtimony: Q3) fluency with interfaces so the process doesnt get in the way. #lrnchat
05:29:41 pm simbeckhampson: @StephanieDaul Exactly – use the appropriate people for the right job #lrnchat
05:29:44 pm urbie: @amphiboly yup-yup – we know how to use media already.. it's just a different paradigm. we need to trust instincts & just do it #lrnchat
05:29:45 pm Quinnovator: RT @denniscallahan: Media should allow me to play so that I build skills/understanding #lrnchat < yes, interactivity too often lacking
05:29:55 pm drtimony: Homework: medialiteracy training of some sort. Lots of prep so you can mediate the experience responsibly. #lrnchat
05:30:21 pm Quinnovator: @denniscallahan but also, too often the interactivity is gratuitous (e.g. rollover question for 'answer', no cog benefit!) #lrnchat
05:30:42 pm simbeckhampson: A Fire alarm clears Janes speech, just the end… timing! #lrnchat
05:30:45 pm johnoflaherty: Q3 I know there are mixed views but I also think L&D Professionals have a lot to learn from Marketing Professionals #lrnchat
05:31:02 pm nollvk: @Quinnovator re: VWs I agree about deep challenge potential, but worry learners don't achieve as much learning w/o facilitation. #lrnchat
05:31:04 pm amphiboly: @urbie #lrnchat Indeed. It's a shifting of perspective. What are the new givens, the signals and clues on how to use
05:31:04 pm denniscallahan: Q3) Find similarities in how media is used to help kids learn (eg Sesame St) #lrnchat
05:31:09 pm bschlenker: RT @CatMoore: RT @StephanieDaul: Q3) good designer had background in film not learning. He understood how to tell a story thru pictures <yes! #lrnchat
05:31:16 pm JudithELS: RT @simbeckhampson: @StephanieDaul Exactly – use the appropriate people for the right job <hear, hear. #lrnchat
05:31:49 pm simbeckhampson: False Alarm!! Everyone sitting down again😉 #lrnchat
05:32:02 pm johnoflaherty: Q3 Also think we need to commit to creating content in smaller units #lrnchat
05:32:05 pm larshyland: Q3) Clarity of yr writing 2 explain what u WANT frm yr media – image, audio, video, anim etc – will help improve quality immensely #lrnchat
05:32:05 pm CatMoore: Q3 Because (for good or bad) lots of elearning is slide-like, can help to study good presentations: http://noteandpoint.com/ #lrnchat
05:32:08 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Quinnovator: @denniscallahan too often the interactivity is gratuitous (e.g. rollover question for 'answer', no cog benefit!) #lrnchat
05:32:18 pm amphiboly: @Quinnovator @denniscallahan "gratuitous interactivity" <– Totally agree — what is the point for the text, image, or element #lrnchat
05:32:26 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @StephanieDaul: I met a good designer who had a background in film not learning; understood how to tell a story thru pictures #lrnchat
05:32:27 pm Quinnovator: @bbetts maybe th 'interactivity' is the pusbhack to design agencies, they may not know a) interactivity nor b) social #lrnchat
05:32:37 pm simbeckhampson: @JudithELS Don't force square pegs in round holes… Engage community and learn from everyone #lrnchat
05:32:49 pm JudithELS: RT @simbeckhampson: False Alarm!! Everyone sitting down again😉 <at least that doesn't happen with SoMe!! #lrnchat
05:32:55 pm CatMoore: RT @johnoflaherty: Q3 L&D Professionals have a lot to learn from Marketing Professionals <-definitely #lrnchat
05:33:07 pm Quinnovator: @nollvk agreed, neither games nor VW (or other) is learning by itself, learning needs guided reflection! #lrnchat
05:33:07 pm amphiboly: @johnoflaherty Q3 "a lot to learn from Marketing Professionals" #lrnchat <– they are very good at defining metrics and focusing efforts
05:33:19 pm mrch0mp3rs: @CatMoore Is elearning only slide-like, or is it that we've settled for that slide metaphor? #lrnchat
05:33:25 pm simbeckhampson: @JudithELS LOL #lrnchat
05:33:28 pm Tina_Barr: One great resource Google for educators http://bit.ly/5KTxH #lrnchat
05:33:37 pm urbie: #lrnchat we're too hung-up on media for learning.. learning to swim: you gotta get wet at some point – water's the media; media = experience
05:33:40 pm langholloman: #lrnchat Q) stay fluid in the approach and the amount of tools/technology out can create new opportunities all the time for engagement
05:33:49 pm johnoflaherty: RT @denniscallahan: Q3) Find similarities in how media is used to help kids learn #lrnchat Great point. We know engagement is key with kids
05:33:53 pm kelly_smith01: Sorry #lrnchat have noon CST meeting will read transcript – good discussion today #lrnchat
05:34:09 pm Tina_Barr: RT @CatMoore: RT @johnoflaherty: Q3 L&D Professionals have a lot to learn from Marketing Professionals <-definitely #lrnchat
05:34:25 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What could we learn to help us use media better? #lrnchat
05:34:53 pm CatMoore: @mrch0mp3rs We've settled, thanks to rapid tools, loss of interest in deeper cognitive challenge, less respect for ID #lrnchat
05:35:15 pm simbeckhampson: @johnoflaherty Agree with smaller chunks, podcasts, screencasts etc – KEY is 'spaced repetition' #lrnchat
05:35:52 pm StephanieDaul: RT @johnoflaherty: L&D Professionals have a lot to learn from Marketing Professionals and film, reporters, artists, web designers #lrnchat
05:36:00 pm TrainingTweet: Q3) so much to learn – simple, visual design principles; and strategies for engaging learning in social media platforms #lrnchat
05:36:04 pm urbie: @amphiboly you know how Godzilla smashed Tokyo? it's like that. the learner's actions post-media will illuminate us #lrnchat
05:36:07 pm JudithELS: RT @CatMoore: @mrch0mp3rs Weve settled, thanks to rapid tools, loss of interest in deeper cognitive challenge, less respect for ID #lrnchat
05:36:14 pm mrch0mp3rs: @simbeckhampson I'd argue that the key is 'pervasive influence' but that's a tale for another time😉 #lrnchat
05:36:19 pm TrainingTweet: #lrnchat has been fun! must run off to an appointment now. Thanks all!
05:36:25 pm amphiboly: #lrnchat @catmoore @mrch0mp3rs "deeper cognitive challenge" <– Seems reflection more on culture than on L&D per se
05:36:40 pm bbetts: @mrch0mp3rs think we settled on it for so long that that "slide-like" approach pretty much is what many consider to be 'E-learning' #lrnchat
05:36:44 pm johnoflaherty: RT @simbeckhampson: Agree with smaller chunks, podcasts, screencasts etc – KEY is 'spaced repetition' #lrnchat Exactly repeat repeat repeat
05:37:45 pm johnoflaherty: @StephanieDaul Great point about artists and creative types #lrnchat
05:37:47 pm denniscallahan: @simbeckhampson. I'm not proficient w/ SL but agree we need to play, experience, engage more.. #lrnchat
05:37:57 pm CatMoore: I think also slides appeal (for good or ill) because they're small, with clear limits. Freedom is scary. #lrnchat
05:38:09 pm mrch0mp3rs: I'm sensing a lot of concurrence that we've settled. But at the same time, it sounds like we recognize we need something more. #lrnchat
05:38:23 pm Quinnovator: RT @TrainingTweet: so much to learn: simple, viz design principles; and strategies for engaging learning in social media platforms #lrnchat
05:38:32 pm johnoflaherty: SHAMELESS PLUG ALERT: Newbie blogger sharing experiences deploying Collaborative Learning http://tinyurl.com/2ewm9dc Love feedback #lrnchat
05:38:50 pm Tina_Barr: Younger generations can teach us a lot as well as professionals! @johnoflaherty @CatMoore #lrnchat
05:38:53 pm bschlenker: RT @CatMoore: RT @johnoflaherty: Q3 L&D Professionals have a lot to learn from Marketing Professionals <-definitely #lrnchat
05:38:53 pm bbetts: @Quinnovator quite right. But you do get something shiny. People have such short memories that they go for shiny time and again #lrnchat
05:39:19 pm Quinnovator: reckon slides come from old 'knowledge dump' broken pedagogy #lrnchat
05:39:26 pm urbie: RT @chrisbrogan: If you're not writing your own story, you're a character in someone else's. #lrnchat
05:39:26 pm LandDDave: Q3) When it comes to media, it's important that we remember that being 'COOL' is not a learning objective. #lrnchat
05:39:34 pm bbetts: @mrch0mp3rs i think we almost need to leave the term 'E-learning' to represent that slide approach. Time for a new word. #lrnchat
05:39:40 pm mrch0mp3rs: For me, getting better with media in learning requires me to be more knowledgeable about crafting media across other domains #lrnchat
05:39:44 pm JudithELS: Q3 Improving instructional design right across the board. #lrnchat
05:39:51 pm johnoflaherty: Gotta run. Much fun. See you next week. Thanks for letting me join the engaging conversation #lrnchat
05:40:05 pm amphiboly: @CatMoore "Freedom is scary." #lrnchat <– And so is taking chances with approaches to development. Perhaps why it's a slide-rule economy
05:40:18 pm Quinnovator: and 'practice, practice, practice' alone isn't sufficient if you don't get 'models', rote isn't valuable #lrnchat
05:40:22 pm tonya_simmons: I think sometimes shiny just distracts the learner (at least initially) from the boring #lrnchat
05:41:03 pm denniscallahan: @johnoflaherty- engagement, yes! #lrnchat
05:41:07 pm JudithELS: RT @Tina_Barr: Younger generations can teach us a lot as well as professionals! @johnoflaherty @CatMoore <but so often we don't #lrnchat
05:41:09 pm CatMoore: Q3 It can also help to examine pacing in video, other media. Often a lot faster than in elearning. #lrnchat
05:41:33 pm amphiboly: @mrch0mp3rs "knowledgeable about crafting media across other domains" #lrnchat <- Never hurts: theatre, poetry, film, narrative…
05:41:34 pm urbie: @mrch0mp3rs part of the problem is the tools aspect.. like Flash. it takes a LOT to become proficient in it. better to have a team #lrnchat
05:41:37 pm StephanieDaul: @bbetts isn't learning learning not elearning/ILT/Formal… Slides are not learning #lrnchat
05:41:50 pm langholloman: #lrnchat thank you all, and thanks @LandDDave "'COOL' is not a learning objective."
05:41:53 pm Quinnovator: @bbetts worse, nuances between good and shiny are subtle, most folks don't get, sadly #lrnchat
05:42:01 pm CatMoore: @amphiboly Yes, clients expect slides, everyone expects slides these days. #lrnchat
05:42:06 pm laurieriley: RT @johnoflaherty: L&D Professionals have a lot to learn from Marketing Professionals <-definitely #lrnchat –Some of us are old mktng pros.
05:42:09 pm Tina_Barr: RT @amphiboly: @CatMoore "Freedom is scary." #lrnchat <–so is taking chances w/ approaches to develop Perhaps why it's a slide-rule economy
05:42:28 pm simbeckhampson: @johnoflaherty spaced… direct to devices in your pocket… short question and answers, key points revisited – interactive fun. #lrnchat
05:42:36 pm danroddy: Q2) IDs who focus too much on media may well be thwarted multimedia "creatives" and in the wrong game… #lrnchat
05:42:41 pm bschlenker: What if your graphics ARE the content?
@johnoflaherty I like your blog – You're in my Google reader now. Tks for sharing!

#lrnchat
05:42:54 pm Quinnovator: @tonya_simmons shouldn't be boring and so not need gratuitous shiny, if done right! #lrnchat
05:42:59 pm janet_frg: RT @simbeckhampson: @janet_frg Kids r good w/art – involve those who have fun << but avoid narrow view that only visual=immersive #lrnchat
05:43:20 pm simbeckhampson: @denniscallahan No one is proficient to start with… start with pure fun, then find an objective. Tip: join experienced people #lrnchat
05:43:29 pm Rustici_Susan: Ha! RT @langholloman: #lrnchat thank you all, and thanks @LandDDave "'COOL' is not a learning objective."
05:43:33 pm mrch0mp3rs: @urbie Tools are part of it; competency with the tools is another; the tools augment your ability to channel learning #lrnchat
05:43:50 pm bbetts: @StephanieDaul Almost like putting a ppt online somehow makes it learning, when it used to be a presentation aid #lrnchat
05:43:58 pm drtimony: Thx all! Off to lunch. David Timony: k12 educator, Expertise theorist, teacher prep professor. Like commentary? FLLW: @DrTimony #lrnchat
05:44:00 pm simbeckhampson: @janet_frg Good point Janet… perhaps we can expand on that soon… #lrnchat
05:44:30 pm Tina_Barr: “Technology makes it possible 4 ppl 2 gain control ovr everything, except ovr technology” John Tudor #lrnchat #quotes
05:44:31 pm simbeckhampson: @mrch0mp3rs Let's have that conversation soon… v.interested… "pervasive influence" #lrnchat
05:44:50 pm Phasient: RT @Quinnovator: @tonya_simmons shouldn't be boring and so not need grat. shiny, if done right! #lrnchat YES, but what u get w/PPT conver.
05:45:24 pm amphiboly: @mrch0mp3rs @urbie "tools…competency with the tools" <– And awareness of deep structures that are central to commnity formation #lrnchat
05:45:39 pm simbeckhampson: @Tina_Barr You have wrestle with tech, get down and get gritty – it's like taming a wild horse😉 #lrnchat
05:45:46 pm CatMoore: Some design approaches to steal from marketing: mood boards http://bit.ly/cp0JUU, personas #lrnchat
05:46:05 pm tonya_simmons: RT @Quinnovator: @tonya_simmons shouldn't be boring and so not need grat. shiny, if done right! #lrnchat YES, but what u get w/PPT conver.
05:46:26 pm mrch0mp3rs: @amphiboly There's a reason why well rounded (and grounded) artists are "clasically trained" #lrnchat
05:46:28 pm tonya_simmons: sorry, clicked over on work site for a bit, didn't mean to confuse anyone #lrnchat
05:46:45 pm simbeckhampson: @mrch0mp3rs Tools are fundamental. Everyone seems to focus on the theory… I think dive in, play, engage, enjoy then add theory #lrnchat
05:47:04 pm LandDDave: Gotta split a little early #lrnchat ers. Thanks for another great chat.
05:47:10 pm Tina_Barr: @simbeckhampson "ike taming a wild horse " <–love that concept! #lrnchat
05:47:13 pm JudithELS: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @amphiboly Theres a reason why well rounded (and grounded) artists are "clasically trained" <incl instruc designers #lrnchat
05:47:14 pm mrch0mp3rs: @amphiboly You're talking "A Pattern Language." #lrnchat
05:47:22 pm simbeckhampson: RT @CatMoore: Some design approaches to steal from marketing: mood boards http://bit.ly/cp0JUU, personas #lrnchat
05:47:30 pm Quinnovator: hard fun: hook with visceral awareness of importance, provide meaningful challenge, scaffold with resources #lrnchat
05:47:36 pm simbeckhampson: @CatMoore That's gooood! 🙂 #lrnchat
05:47:43 pm amphiboly: @CatMoore "design approaches to steal from marketing: mood boards …personas "#lrnchat <- Totally agree. And conversion rate.
05:47:49 pm mrch0mp3rs: @simbeckhampson Tools are fundamental, no matter what the modality. Theory is also important. Same with style, purpose, etc. #lrnchat
05:47:56 pm Quinnovator: @simbeckhampson some want to start with practice then concept, some prefer concept first, others want to see examples #lrnchat
05:48:12 pm mbr1online: Q3) Learning through meaningfull interactions is key. It's nice if it looks good too. #lrnchat
05:48:24 pm simbeckhampson: @Tina_Barr I'm constantly trying to tame my keybaord… lol #lrnchat
05:49:09 pm Tina_Barr: @simbeckhampson hahaha #lrnchat
05:49:15 pm StephanieDaul: Q3) Good media will pull the people in who are on the edge. Still need something to pull them into. #lrnchat
05:49:30 pm CatMoore: @amphiboly Very cool (and likely horrifying) to apply conversion rate to elearning! #lrnchat
05:50:20 pm simbeckhampson: @Quinnovator Ok… very good point… tailor to individual learning styles – nice – no right way, but blend… #lrnchat
05:50:27 pm CatMoore: Marketing moodboard example: http://bit.ly/ayVvre #lrnchat
05:50:57 pm Tina_Barr: RT @mbr1online: Q3) Learning through meaningfull interactions is key. It's nice if it looks good too. #lrnchat
05:51:02 pm simbeckhampson: @mrch0mp3rs Ok, Agreed, see comment to Clark… #lrnchat
05:51:11 pm denniscallahan: Use media to simiulate the real environment that learner must use skills. Military does this well #lrnchat
05:51:32 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
05:51:41 pm Quinnovator: @CatMoore is that like trying to converge on a style guide? #lrnchat
05:52:12 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat < that time already?
05:52:24 pm amphiboly: @CatMoore "horrifying to apply conversion rate to elearning" #lrnchat <- Not proselytizing but instructing
05:52:37 pm simbeckhampson: @denniscallahan Emergency services too… big Second Life projects – real situation management without danger #lrnchat
05:52:47 pm Tina_Barr: Tina, operations associate at: http://www.carneysandoe.com/ based in Boston. #lrnchat
05:52:57 pm JudithELS: Qwrap Thanks for a great chat all, Judith C-C, instructional designer busy designing health/med e-L signing off. #lrnchat
05:53:06 pm CatMoore: @amphiboly Yes, I meant approaching learning measurement with the seriousness that we approach conversion rates #lrnchat
05:53:06 pm mbr1online: Great discussion – I've got to go to a meeting. My second time on #lrnchat and I'm hooked! Thanks all!
05:53:09 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, elearning strategist, learning experience design instigator, consultant/author/speaker, genial malcontent #lrnchat
05:53:21 pm Tina_Barr: RT @simbeckhampson: @denniscallahan Emergency services too… big Second Life projects – real situation management without danger #lrnchat
05:53:24 pm amphiboly: #lrnchat Qwrap: Mike Pino, Director of Tech Innovation, Harvard Business School Publishing
05:53:41 pm CatMoore: @amphiboly I don't think many people want to see how unsuccessful elearning can be #lrnchat
05:53:48 pm StephanieDaul: Stephanie Daul, Instructional Designer, Chicago, no plugs just keep learning from others #lrnchat
05:54:11 pm amphiboly: #lrnchat Qwrap; Thank you everyone for a rejuvenating lunch-and-lrnchat!
05:54:13 pm Quinnovator: thanks to new and returning participants for another vibrant #lrnchat!
05:54:24 pm mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, blogging (sometimes) at aaronsilvers.com; working (24-7) with adlnet.gov — great #lrnchat everyone!
05:54:29 pm CatMoore: @Quinnovator It's a way to brainstorm look & feel as well as the emotional scene we want to set. #lrnchat
05:54:58 pm tonya_simmons: Qwrap) Tonya Goth Simmons, production developer, Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames, Iowa, http://bit.ly/qSxMf w/tag this time #lrnchat
05:55:01 pm Dave_Ferguson: @CatMoore Certainly elearning vendors don't.
#lrnchat
05:55:02 pm CatMoore: Cathy Moore, ID consultant and fan of green chicken curry, which I will go eat now. #lrnchat
05:55:07 pm simbeckhampson: Simbeck-Hampson, Bavaria, Consultant, a little crazy, but huggable😉 http://www.simbeckhampson.com (shameless plug in beta) #lrnchat
05:55:12 pm denniscallahan: Thanks all! Dennis Callahan Workplace Learning CT/MA USA http://learnstreaming.com #lrnchat
05:55:16 pm Quinnovator: oh, yeah, blogger at learnlets.com #lrnchat
05:55:24 pm jbvetter: #lrnchat intro: Trainer/instructional designer in Boston; projects internationally. Specialize in webinars & virtual meetings. http://www.edc.org
05:55:58 pm bbetts: QWrap) Ben Betts, Research Engineer @ Warwick Uni. The beta for my latest project, Curatr, is open to join! http://bit.ly/cg7QEc #lrnchat
05:56:12 pm Tina_Barr: Thx for the chat! @simbeckhampson @JudithELS @johnoflaherty @DrTimony@urbie@tonya_simmons @mrch0mp3rs @hjarche #lrnchat
05:56:25 pm StephanieDaul: Thanks to those that did double duty for @c4lpt at her keynote #lrnchat
05:56:55 pm CatMoore: Thanks everyone for the great ideas! #lrnchat
05:57:02 pm mrch0mp3rs: Also want to give a special shout out to all the rocking tweeps I got to know at #astd10 — good stuff on that hashtag, folks. #lrnchat
05:57:51 pm nollvk: #lrnchat Valerie Noll, ISD for Crew Training Intl; thanks – this was fun
05:57:54 pm simbeckhampson: @CatMoore Love Thai food (lived there 6 yrs)…. enjoy – ‡πć∏û‡∏•‡∏¥‡∏î‡πć∏û‡∏•‡∏¥‡∏ô (phelidphelin) #lrnchat
05:58:25 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Please tell us if you blog about the conversation so we can link to it on http://lrnchat.com
05:59:30 pm simbeckhampson: Thanks to everyone… learnt loads (as always) #lrnchat
05:59:36 pm lrnchat: Once the #lrnchat transcript is posted to http://lrnchat.com we'll announce it here.

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