Transcript for 22 April 2010 (late)

08:31:25 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
08:31:48 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
08:31:49 pm urbie: joining #lrnchat.. duck-n-cover.. rapid-fire elearning posts incoming
08:32:43 pm lrnchat: 2) Try to stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
08:33:19 pm JffZllr: Busy in #lrnchat for next hour… lots of posts.
08:33:33 pm gminks: Hi! I’m Gina outside Boston, focused on performance support & social media, which are my fave topics #lrnchat
08:33:35 pm lrnchat: 3) Writing complete thoughts help followers outside #lrnchat learn from you.
08:33:59 pm Quinnovator: drive-by #lrnchat, will have to go to take lad to his band concert tonite, but will be here for a bit (tweeting ’til then!)
08:34:18 pm gwoodill: Gary Woodill. Now independent consultant, with Brandon Hall Research remaining as my principal client. Other new projects. #lrnchat
08:34:37 pm lrnchat: 4) Remember to include #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well
08:34:52 pm SueSchnorr: Hi, Sue Schnorr here, from Rochester, NY; Instructional Design Consultant. Fav topic: informal learning/networky stuff #lrnchat
08:35:01 pm jwillensky: Jason Willensky, independent ID, from cloudy/gray Phoenix, AZ #lrnchat
08:35:11 pm Dave_Ferguson: I’ll be actively lurking in #lrnchat for an hour or so. Quality of tweets from me, alas, unchanged. Quantity may vary.
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08:35:17 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about & so they can chime in too.
08:35:32 pm TriciaRansom: This is Tricia from Chicago. ID #lrnchat
08:35:35 pm minutebio: Jeff Goldman, e-Learning Designer in Baltimore, MD #lrnchat
08:35:38 pm billcush: Bill Cushard..Charlotte, NC I do training stuff for hotel sales people. Working to extend learning beyond training events…. #lrnchat
08:35:53 pm JffZllr: Jeff Zoller, Learning Consultant in Columbus OH #lrnchat
08:36:00 pm doctorjeff: Nice 2b @ #lrnchat🙂 Cntr DIrectr, Nat’l Cntr Earth & Space Sci Ed http://ncesse.org, at Nat’l Air & Space Museum 8 yrs, informal ed 4 20.
08:36:11 pm drukid: Q0 my first twitchat, dru from dc, mobile learning/elearning, montgomery college (md) ctr. 4 teach *& lrning #lrnchat #lrnchat
08:36:14 pm SueSchnorr: @Quinnovator Hi Clark; glad you’re here for at least a bit! #lrnchat
08:36:36 pm lrnchat: 6) On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really.
08:36:57 pm dmozealous: Dave Mozealous, Swiss Army Knife at Articulate/Screenr #lrnchat
08:36:58 pm everyselearning: Myra Rhodes, elearning designer, web design instructor, entrepreneur on the web at http://www.everyones.com #lrnchat
08:37:35 pm SueSchnorr: @drukid Welcome drukid #lrnchat
08:37:42 pm lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too #lrnchat
08:37:48 pm Dave_Ferguson: @dmozealous Swiss Army Knife? Damn, I got demoted from “spork.” #lrnchat
08:38:38 pm SuzNet: I’ll be tuning into #lrnchat 2nite; please join in to chat about informal learning as part of formal learning practices
08:39:04 pm gwoodill: @drukid Welcome Dru – good to see you here! #lrnchat
08:39:46 pm ohmar9: #lrnchat sr mgr learnt tech for a biotech hello all
08:39:49 pm Dave_Ferguson: DC based consultant, instr design, org learning, perf. improvement, working on post re sleep for http://daveswhiteboard.com #lrnchat
08:39:56 pm lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
08:39:56 pm hjarche: Harold Jarche, just another independently-minded consultant, trying to make a difference #lrnchat
08:40:26 pm SuzNet: Suzanne Choma, Learning & performance consultant from Rochester NY, interested in all things learning #lrnchat
08:41:12 pm urbie: urbano delgado, neo-elearning designer, washington (d.c.), http://www.ficacy.com, #lrnchat
08:41:25 pm troutqueen: #lrnchat Lisa – instructional designer at a large regional bank in TN.
08:41:36 pm gminks: Q0 I learned again that you have to keep asking questions #lrnchat
08:41:48 pm SueSchnorr: @hjarche AND you are “just another excellent blogger” Kudos for your recognition this week! #lrnchat
08:41:49 pm hjarche: I observed that as we learn in digital networks, stock (content) gets smaller, while flow (conversation) gets longer #lrnchat
08:42:16 pm billcush: Q0) This week I learned how to print double-sided on a printer that doesn’t support double-sided. Not as glamorous as it seems #lrnchat
08:42:24 pm gwoodill: Q0: Did a roast of a friend at his 70th Bday. Learned that I should have done standup comedy instead of all this serious stuff. #lrnchat
08:42:29 pm JffZllr: Q0 The ‘wisdom of groups’ depends on the members of the group… #lrnchat
08:42:34 pm TriciaRansom: Q0) I re-learned that pilots are essential for a good training program #lrnchat
08:42:43 pm urbie: Q#0, learned that, no matter how interesting thinking about the iPad as elearning surfboard is, keeping hydrated is more important #lrnchat
08:42:51 pm hjarche: @SueSchnorr thx Sue; I was also raked over the coals elsewhere😉 #lrnchat
08:42:58 pm troutqueen: Q0) I re-learned that users are not necessarily tech-savvy when it comes to WebEx #lrnchat.
08:43:01 pm Schnicker: Heading in to #lrnchat Nicole Fougere, Blogger at Litmos LMS in sunny New Zealand.
08:43:13 pm SueSchnorr: Q0 – Learned it’s exactly 90 minutes door to door from home to the Moog campus & East Aurora is a beautiful, quaint town! #lrnchat
08:43:20 pm hjarche: @gwoodill Yuk Yuks is awaiting, sir #lrnchat
08:43:37 pm billcush: Q0) Today I learned that a course design I created needs to be modified…it just did not flow well on first run through…#lrnchat
08:44:13 pm troutqueen: @TriciaRansom Wish I could get my company to pilot programs more often! #lrnchat
08:44:19 pm billcush: RT @JffZllr: Q0 The ‘wisdom of groups’ depends on the members of the group… #lrnchat
08:44:25 pm doctorjeff: @lrnchat I learned today that planning for orbital insertion of the MESSENGER spacecraft at Mercury is well underway (you asked) #lrnchat
08:44:27 pm gminks: when it comes to most things… RT @troutqueen I re-learned that users arent tech-savvy when it comes to WebEx #lrnchat. #lrnchat
08:44:30 pm SueSchnorr: @hjarche AHH, FORGET them! We know best; you’ve got great ideas! #lrnchat!
08:44:37 pm gminks: RT @billcush: RT @JffZllr: Q0 The wisdom of groups depends on the members of the group… #lrnchat
08:44:39 pm gwoodill: @hjarche Q0: What’s brown and sticky?……A stick. A joke on CBC. #lrnchat
08:44:40 pm SuzNet: Q0 – learned interpersonal issues via e-mail can be tricky; using facebook to spy on your vacationing teen is fun #lrnchat
08:44:50 pm minutebio: Q0) Lrned 2day, just because sum1 is 20-something does not mean they r computer savvy. Lrned teaching comp basics 2day #lrnchat
08:44:54 pm drukid: Q0 WHile doing a career day presentation, that the middle school had better technology than some college classrooms #lrnchat #lrnchat
08:45:02 pm billcush: This evening I learned that a good pilot is essential for a good landing. @TriciaRansom #lrnchat
08:45:07 pm Dave_Ferguson: Learned from dean of Stanford sleep ctr: after 50 yrs resrch, only solid reason for our need to sleep is “because we get sleepy.” #lrnchat
08:45:13 pm lrnchat: Q1) What do you think distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
08:45:20 pm TriciaRansom: @troutqueen I wish more clients would be open to pilots! #lrnchat
08:45:26 pm tigerlily300: Kathy J. ID from Georgia. Q0) Learned today sending all my questions ahead of time really can make a meeting go quickly. #lrnchat
08:45:30 pm dmozealous: Q0) Learned 2day a bit about Twitters @anywhere program is pretty easy to implement #lrnchat
08:45:41 pm TriciaRansom: @billcush Yuck yuck! Funny man! #lrnchat
08:45:44 pm tigerlily300: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What do you think distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
08:45:48 pm billcush: I can’t see your screen. RT @troutqueen: Q0) I re-learned that users are not necessarily tech-savvy when it comes to WebEx #lrnchat.
08:45:49 pm troutqueen: RT @SuzNet: Q0 – learned interpersonal issues via e-mail can be tricky; using facebook to spy on your vacationing teen is fun #lrnchat
08:46:04 pm minutebio: RT @drukid: … the middle school had better technology than some college classroom / Good for mid school though #lrnchat
08:46:05 pm SuzNet: RT @billcush: RT @JffZllr: Q0 The wisdom of groups depends on the members of the group… #lrnchat
08:46:08 pm TriciaRansom: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What do you think distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
08:46:14 pm gwoodill: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What do you think distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
08:46:15 pm hjarche: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What do you think distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? | Instruction #lrnchat
08:46:17 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JffZllr Yes, I like the phrase “wisdom IN crowd” much better than “wisdom OF crowd” #lrnchat
08:46:33 pm Quinnovator: RT @Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience design instigator, consultant, speaker, author, and other crimes Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
08:46:41 pm drukid: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What do you think distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? | Instruction #lrnchat
08:46:42 pm bschlenker: Hi all! I’m learning from Safeway tonight – anyone need anything😉 #lrnchat
08:46:43 pm marciamarcia: Dipping into #lrnchat periodically tonight. Wonderful to see you all. This wk at #sbenyc I learned I can stay quiet all day if I can tweet.
08:46:48 pm gminks: Q1 learning objectives #lrnchat
08:46:52 pm kellygarber: Q1: formal learning is tested and tracked, informal learning is about self #lrnchat
08:47:02 pm kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What do you think distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
08:47:07 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q1: “Formal learning” sounds much better to people who approve budgets.
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08:47:13 pm SueSchnorr: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What do you think distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
08:47:14 pm hjarche: @Dave_Ferguson how about wisdom in spite of crowd? #lrnchat
08:47:21 pm gwoodill: I don’t think that formal/informal is a useful distinction. #lrnchat
08:47:23 pm doctorjeff: Q1: more ‘formal’ definition (hah) is that informal learnng is free choice learning -learner chooses the setting & experience. #lrnchat
08:47:26 pm marciamarcia: I like the phrase “wisdom IN crowd” much better than “wisdom OF crowd” -@Dave_Ferguson #lrnchat
08:47:28 pm Quinnovator: Q0) learned that I have trouble reconciling hierarchical management, good practice, and current trends #lrnchat
08:47:28 pm troutqueen: @TriciaRansom In corporate world, the timeline is always too short. My last company was good about piloting. This one not so much. #lrnchat
08:47:34 pm minutebio: Q1) Informal – Learners set objectives. Formal – Some lunatic like me sets the objectives #lrnchat
08:47:54 pm Dave_Ferguson: @hjarche I relearn “wisdom in spite of crowd” at nearly every mass event. #lrnchat
08:47:55 pm gwoodill: We have a tendency to slap adjectives onto “learning” and be proud of ourselves. #lrnchat
08:47:56 pm billcush: Q1) Formal learning = organized, planned, event scheduled. Informal learning = experience, observing, trying, experimenting #lrnchat
08:48:04 pm kellygarber: RT @minutebio: Q1) Informal – Learners set objectives. Formal – Some lunatic like me sets the objectives #lrnchat
08:48:12 pm tigerlily300: Q1) Initial thought: formal = planned/scheduled. informal = on the fly. #lrnchat
08:48:16 pm doctorjeff: RT @minutebio: Q1) Informal – Learners set objectives. Formal – Some lunatic like me sets the objectives #lrnchat
08:48:18 pm idarknight: @gwoodill @lrnchat #lrnchat assessment, informal learning assess more authentic and contextually important outcomes
08:48:20 pm urbie: Q#1.. how much fun you have learning is what differentiates formal and informal learning; wanting to shout it out to all is it #lrnchat
08:48:26 pm troutqueen: Or a lunatic like me! RT @minutebio: Q1) Informal – Learners set objectives. Formal – Some lunatic like me sets the objectives #lrnchat
08:48:34 pm Quinnovator: q1) formal: other-designed, push; informal: self- or we-designed, pull #lrnchat
08:48:39 pm hjarche: @gwoodill as you know I toyed with Dependent/Independent/Interdependent learning – adds some clarity, IMO #lrnchat
08:48:39 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator If hierarchical management had to wear miters and crimson robes, maybe it’d keep quieter #lrnchat
08:48:49 pm minutebio: Q1) Distinction: Informal – The managers say, “You want to allow them to do what?” #lrnchat
08:48:55 pm doctorjeff: @minutebio I think that’s right sorta. In both formal and informal learning the learner needs to own the experience. #lrnchat
08:48:56 pm Quinnovator: RT @marciamarcia: I like the phrase “wisdom IN crowd” much better than “wisdom OF crowd” -@Dave_Ferguson #lrnchat < if manage process right!
08:48:56 pm gwoodill: Worst example: Academic article title – "A mobile butterfly-watching learning system for supporting independent learning." #lrnchat
08:48:59 pm gminks: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator If hierarchical management had to wear miters and crimson robes, maybe itd keep quieter #lrnchat
08:49:09 pm SuzNet: Q1 formal — set time place, objectives,methods while informal is anytime, anyplace inspired by anything #lrnchat
08:49:15 pm tigerlily300: RT @minutebio: Q1) Distinction: Informal – The managers say, "You want to allow them to do what?" #lrnchat
08:49:23 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: q1) formal: other-designed, push; informal: self- or we-designed, pull #lrnchat
08:49:23 pm JffZllr: Q1 – big difference is who initiates… informal is user #lrnchat
08:49:23 pm SueSchnorr: Q1 Formal – your objectives, your terms. Informal: My objectives, my terms (push/vs./pull) #lrnchat
08:49:24 pm billcush: @TriciaRansom Seriously, tell me more about pilots in training programs. #lrnchat
08:49:37 pm Quinnovator: @gwoodill I keep trying to find a word *besides* learning to use, to keep from getting bucketed with education/training! #lrnchat
08:49:40 pm jwillensky: Q1 More than one of these defined: place, process, outcome(s), medium, time. #lrnchat
08:49:51 pm kellygarber: Q1: formal is hose and heels, informal is sneakers and tshirt #lrnchat
08:49:53 pm doctorjeff: @urbie I don't think inofrmal learning should be any less fun that formal learning. #lrnchat
08:49:55 pm TriciaRansom: RT @minutebio: Q1) Distinction: Informal – The managers say, "You want to allow them to do what?" #lrnchat
08:50:04 pm gminks: RT @jwillensky: Q1 More than one of these defined: place, process, outcome(s), medium, time. #lrnchat
08:50:10 pm Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: @gwoodill as you know I toyed with Dependent/Independent/Interdependent learning – adds some clarity, IMO #lrnchat < like that!
08:50:17 pm everyselearning: @troutqueen is that presenter users or attendee users? #lrnchat
08:50:30 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson at least might keep people from aspiring to it! #lrnchat
08:50:43 pm SuzNet: RT @kellygarber: Q1: formal is hose and heels, informal is sneakers and tshirt #lrnchat
08:50:44 pm gminks: agree & smtimes informal isn't fun RT @doctorjeff: @urbie I dont think inofrmal learning should be any less fun thanformal learning #lrnchat
08:50:45 pm TriciaRansom: @billcush A trial-run of the course b4 its pushed out to the masses. ideally using facilitator and real end-users #lrnchat
08:50:47 pm Schnicker: Q1) Formal Learning = teacher to student, Informal = collaborative student to student #lrnchat
08:50:58 pm minutebio: RT @doctorjeff: ..In both formal and informal lrning lrner nds 2 own experience. // Correct, but less likely to dis-own the infrml #lrnchat
08:51:16 pm NicoleLazzaro: Gave away Tilt: Flip's Adventure eco iPad game for #EarthDay http://bit.ly/bMQ5GW and learned the power of FREE #lrnchat
08:51:17 pm marciamarcia: Here's how I've distinguished formal learning & informal learning (need to update a bit) http://cl.lk/inforr #lrnchat
08:51:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: Formal learning has inertia. And CEUs. And smile sheets. What's not to like?
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08:51:23 pm billcush: RT @gwoodill: I don't think that formal/informal is a useful distinction. #lrnchat
08:51:33 pm tigerlily300: Q1) Formal can be forced… as in, "I'm here b/c I have to be." Informal can happen without even realizing it. #lrnchat
08:51:43 pm JffZllr: RT @doctorjeff: @urbie I dont think inofrmal learning should be any less fun thanformal learning #lrnchat
08:51:49 pm urbie: Q#1, informal learning: getting up & moving around; formal learning: sit and listen; butts-out-of-seats is the distinguising factor #lrnchat
08:51:52 pm kellygarber: Q1: formal is planned, informal is accidental or spontaneous #lrnchat
08:51:57 pm minutebio: RT @tigerlily300: Q1) Formal can be forced… as in, "Im here b/c I have to be." Informal can happen without even realizing it. #lrnchat
08:51:59 pm gminks: RT @marciamarcia: Heres how Ive distinguished formal learning & informal learning (need to update a bit) http://cl.lk/inforr #lrnchat
08:52:04 pm troutqueen: @everyselearning Mostly attendee users. But some presenters have their challenges! #lrnchat
08:52:06 pm ohmar9: #lrnchat learning that moving onto SAP for our new LMS after an M&A is limiting & may req lots of flexiblty for ways to contn lrnr suprt
08:52:16 pm marciamarcia: Formal is hose and heels, informal is sneakers and tshirt #lrnchat RT @kellygarber
08:52:27 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kellygarber I think often formal is scheduled, rather than planed. #lrnchat
08:52:32 pm hjarche: Instruction = done to, Learning = done by – not always direct correlation #lrnchat
08:52:36 pm doctorjeff: @minutebio agreed, but the depth and emotion of a formal experience requires a gifted teacher as facilitator of that experience. #lrnchat
08:52:46 pm gminks: RT @kellygarber: Q1: formal is planned, informal is accidental or spontaneous #lrnchat
08:52:48 pm JffZllr: Q1) Less proces in informal learning… some people worried about that 'lack of control' #lrnchat
08:53:03 pm troutqueen: RT @tigerlily300: Q1) Formal can be forced… as in, "I'm here b/c I have to be." Informal can happen without even realizing it. #lrnchat
08:53:06 pm urbie: @JffZllr informal learning, imo, is oodles of fun [generally]; formal learning causes [painful] flashbacks #lrnchat
08:53:09 pm Quinnovator: informal is conversation, formal is communication #lrnchat
08:53:10 pm Dave_Ferguson: A helluva lot of lip service paid to analysis, objs, transfer, yadda yadda in formal learning, considering all the PowerPoint. #lrnchat
08:53:16 pm doctorjeff: @billcush I think you are right. It's more about free choice versus directed. #lrnchat
08:53:25 pm billcush: @TriciaRansom Duh, me. Of course. I thought you were talking about some sort of extra person in training supporting facilitation..#lrnchat
08:53:29 pm minutebio: RT @kellygarber: Q1: formal is planned, informal is accidental or spontaneous // Yes, often unintended #lrnchat
08:53:36 pm drukid: RT @gminks: RT @kellygarber: Q1: formal is planned, informal is accidental or spontaneous #lrnchat
08:53:36 pm Schnicker: Q1) Informal Learning sneaks up on you – you often don't know you're even doing it (as a student) #lrnchat
08:53:44 pm tigerlily300: Yup! RT @urbie: Q#1 butts-out-of-seats is the distinguising factor #lrnchat
08:53:46 pm TriciaRansom: Is there an element of control in formal vs. choice in informal? #lrnchat
08:53:50 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: informal is conversation, formal is communication #lrnchat
08:53:52 pm Dave_Ferguson: @hjarche And sometimes instruction isn't "done to," it's "inflicted on," as in "read to." #lrnchat
08:53:58 pm Quinnovator: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @kellygarber I think often formal is scheduled, rather than planned. #lrnchat nice site
08:54:34 pm doctorjeff: @Quinnovator I don’t really see your distinction – communication is essential in both formal and informal #lrnchat
08:54:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks Dinna fash yersel’. I like to beat up on Tufte, too. #lrnchat
08:54:36 pm drukid: Q1 . . .informal lrning is the noisy classroom, where folks lrn from each other, formal lrning is often OVER-SCRIPTED/passive #lrnchat
08:54:38 pm billcush: @doctorjeff Yes…more about free choice, I think…on the other hand, I could freely choose to attend a formally scheduled class. #lrnchat
08:54:46 pm hjarche: No such thing as formal learning really – it’s instruction or education or training or stimulus/response etc #lrnchat
08:54:55 pm JffZllr: Q1) I think most people associate formal learning with lecture/presentation (usually very b-a-d) #lrnchat
08:55:05 pm gminks: @Dave_Ferguson holy cow! #lrnchat
08:55:08 pm Quinnovator: formal is ‘spray and pray’, informal is ‘stay and play’ #lrnchat
08:55:10 pm TungstenW: formal/informal is a false dichotomy. the brain learns period. no matter the situation the brain is learning that is what it does. #lrnchat
08:55:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: RT @hjarche: No such thing as formal learning really – its instruction or education or training or stimulus/response etc #lrnchat
08:55:17 pm tigerlily300: Informal seems more real, in terms of learning. What orgs consider “formal” doesn’t always = learning #lrnchat
08:55:25 pm doctorjeff: @minutebio disagree. Informal can require a great deal of planning. Often far more than formal from the learner’s vantage point. #lrnchat
08:55:26 pm everyselearning: @urbie that’s a very funny picture (trust it was meant to be….) #lrnchat
08:55:30 pm TungstenW: what we define in the formal/informal dichotomy is really the outcomes as defined by who thinks the learning is useful #lrnchat
08:55:34 pm gwoodill: RT @marciamarcia: Formal is hose and heels, informal is sneakers and tshirt #lrnchat RT @kellygarber #lrnchat
08:55:36 pm urbie: @tigerlily300 had a job at intel where “butts-in-seats” was a metric: more was better; think different(ly).. get them moving around #lrnchat
08:55:37 pm drukid: RT @gwoodill: We have a tendency to slap adjectives onto “learning” and be proud of ourselves. #lrnchat
08:55:39 pm NicoleLazzaro: Formal learning exists only to ensure that informal learning is happening. Or it makes it more fun as in games. #lrnchat
08:55:45 pm billcush: Q1) Is #lrnchat informal or formal. Afterall, we all show up at exactly 8:30 on a schedule like a 9am training class on the 3rd floor.
08:55:46 pm SueSchnorr: RT @Quinnovator: formal is ‘spray and pray’, informal is ‘stay and play’ #lrnchat
08:55:52 pm Dave_Ferguson: Deep down, even if people agree you can’t make learning happn, they believe you can make instruction happen. #lrnchat
08:56:07 pm hjarche: informal/formal isn’t the problem, it’s using learning to denote stuff that trainers & instructors do #lrnchat
08:56:09 pm Schnicker: Q1) Informal learning = everyday life #lrnchat
08:56:20 pm TriciaRansom: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Deep down, even if people agree you cant make learning happn, they believe you can make instruction happen. #lrnchat
08:56:21 pm Quinnovator: @doctorjeff playing with words, but conversation connotes equal participation, while communication can be more one way #lrnchat
08:56:41 pm doctorjeff: Formal versus informal are really nothing but meaningless titles. What they mean depends on definitions by community. #lrnchat
08:56:43 pm gwoodill: RT @TungstenW: formal/informal is a false dichotomy. the brain learns period. no matter the situation #lrnchat
08:56:59 pm tigerlily300: RT @Quinnovator: @doctorjeff playing with words, but conversation connotes equal participation, while commcan be more 1 way #lrnchat
08:57:00 pm tmiket: @billcush Or some of us at 9:00😎 #lrnchat
08:57:07 pm troutqueen: @everyselearning I agree! Fabulous tool. Just have to build in time for impromptu user support! Just frustrating when designing. #lrnchat
08:57:07 pm gminks: RT @gwoodill: RT @TungstenW: formal/informal is a false dichotomy. the brain learns period. no matter the situation #lrnchat
08:57:13 pm Quinnovator: you can lead a learner to learning, but you can’t make ’em think (to paraphrase Dorothy Parker) #lrnchat
08:57:15 pm TungstenW: the students learns how to communicate around under behind the lesson informal for the teacher formal for the student #lrnchat
08:57:42 pm kellygarber: RT @NicoleLazzaro: Formal learning exists only to ensure that informal learning is happening. Or it makes it more fun as in games. #lrnchat
08:57:44 pm JffZllr: @tmiket This is a welcome break!!! #lrnchat
08:57:48 pm urbie: @gwoodill but next time, what do they seek: that which sucked (formal) or that which rocked (informal) #lrnchat
08:57:49 pm uxkungfu: RT @NicoleLazzaro: Formal learning exists only to ensure that informal learning is happening. Or it makes it more fun as in games. #lrnchat
08:57:50 pm billcush: I like this. Right on.RT @Schnicker: Q1) Formal Learning = teacher to student, Informal = collaborative student to student #lrnchat
08:57:54 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TungstenW Re dichotomy: sometimes, tho’, what we learn is “stay the hell away from that alleged ‘learning.’ ” #lrnchat
08:57:57 pm doctorjeff: If u ask informal educators what informal ed is they will say ‘free choice learning’ the learner decides on choice of experience. #lrnchat
08:57:57 pm Schnicker: @billcush The actual #lrnchat session is like the Formal part of the Informal learning that carries on during the week
08:58:00 pm TriciaRansom: @billcush but are we here cause we have to be (grades, promotion, work) or cause we just wanna learn just cause? #lrnchat
08:58:09 pm SueSchnorr: @Schnicker everyday life! informal learning = working. Much more info/resources r avail to us in our networks to do our jobs well #lrnchat
08:58:12 pm minutebio: RT @doctorjeff: @minutebio disagree. Informal can require a great deal of planning. // It can, but can b spontaneous too.. #lrnchat
08:58:14 pm kellygarber: RT @tigerlily300: Informal seems more real, in terms of learning. What orgs consider “formal” doesnt always = learning #lrnchat
08:58:21 pm gminks: wait so isn’t asking the guy in the cube next to me how to do something informal learning? #lrnchat
08:58:31 pm emahlee: Discovered #lrnchat from @marciamarcia & jumping in for a bit! For a list of Qs thrown out to the community see @lrnchat’s tweetstream.
08:58:55 pm JffZllr: Can informal learning can have formal goals/objectives ? #lrnchat
08:59:02 pm minutebio: RT @gminks: wait so isnt asking the guy in the cube next to me how to do something informal learning?// Use 2 call it OJT #lrnchat
08:59:03 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks No, sometimes it’s just you getting out of work. 😉
#lrnchat
08:59:03 pm tmiket: @gminks Only if he knows the right answer re:asking cube mate #lrnchat
08:59:07 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson ‘dichotomy’, is that a *drink*? #lrnchat
08:59:13 pm kellygarber: RT @gminks: wait so isnt asking the guy in the cube next to me how to do something informal learning? <–YES!! #lrnchat
08:59:23 pm gminks: sometimes the desire to learn something is because you are trying to get your job done! #lrnchat
08:59:28 pm drukid: RT @gwoodill: @minutebio Interesting. Informal derived from Formal,as Wireless/Wired <– gdub, thats in a book u recommend to me. #lrnchat
08:59:29 pm gwoodill: @urbie Informal lessons can be rough – poverty sucks, abuse sucks, etc. Let's stop being romantic about informal learnng. #lrnchat
08:59:37 pm urbie: Q#1, i'm firmly in the camp where informal learning is what happens when you forget you're stuck in a hotel conference room #lrnchat
08:59:46 pm doctorjeff: @JffZllr yes, if the learner sets the goals and objectives. #lrnchat
08:59:49 pm troutqueen: @gminks Asking an officemate how to do something is informal, IMO. #lrnchat
08:59:49 pm Quinnovator: formal/informal isn't either/or, it's a continuum #lrnchat
08:59:52 pm kellygarber: RT @tmiket: @gminks Only if he knows the right answer re:asking cube mate I think so. Unless you have a rigid structure around how to mentor? #lrnchat
09:02:29 pm doctorjeff: I’d rather think of it this way: it takes a community to educate a child & a network of communities to reach a generation. #lrnchat
09:02:51 pm drukid: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Much structured “learning” (course/online) is awful (lrepetitive, passive, irrelev) that anything seems better #lrnchat
09:02:57 pm doctorjeff: In that model there is a seamless fusion of informal and formal education immersing the learner. #lrnchat
09:03:06 pm lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:03:06 pm minutebio: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Mch strcturd “learning” (crse/online) is awful (lw-lvl, repetitive, passive, irrelev) that anything seems better #lrnchat
09:03:09 pm tmiket: RT @minutebio: RT @SuzNet: informal learning should be a way of life, be curious, learn new things to stay current in your field #lrnchat
09:03:14 pm gminks: @hjarche thank goodness for MS communicator and IM for those of us in global companies🙂 #lrnchat
09:03:14 pm gwoodill: Learning is the car you drive…Informal/Formal is the lot you bought it on. Irrelevant to the driving experience. #lrnchat
09:03:41 pm gminks: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:03:44 pm doctorjeff: Formal without informal and visa versa means the whole is less than the sum of the parts. That’s not a good mode.l #lrnchat
09:03:49 pm minutebio: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:03:52 pm TriciaRansom: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:04:02 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche @gminks adding virtual cube mates, like you all! #lrnchat
09:04:05 pm tigerlily300: RT @gwoodill: Learning is the car you drive…Informal/Formal is the lot you bought it on. Irrelevant to the driving experience. #lrnchat
09:04:06 pm GaryBrannigan: Informal learning is what (I hope) goes on around formal learning #lrnchat
09:04:10 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q2: Formally, we can encourage mgr/client to broaden def of learning & how it really happens. And work not to do info dumps. #lrnchat
09:04:15 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:04:16 pm tigerlily300: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:04:19 pm everyselearning: RT gwoodill Learning is the car you drive…Informal/Formal is the lot you bought it on. Irrelevant to the driving experience #lrnchat
09:04:26 pm tmiket: Like >RT @gwoodill:Learning is the car you drive Informal/Formal is the lot you bought it on. Irrelevant to the driving experience. #lrnchat
09:04:35 pm TungstenW: RT @gwoodill: Learning is the car you drive…Informal/Formal is the lot you bought it on. Irrelevant to the driving experience. #lrnchat
09:04:37 pm emahlee: RT @mrch0mp3rs: RT @lrnchat @marciamarcia: Today’s #lrnchat is on Informal Learning as part of a Formal Practice. http://lrnchat.com
09:04:49 pm SueSchnorr: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:04:56 pm Dave_Ferguson: In addition to info dump, corp training is responsible for an awful lot of info cryogenics–freeze stuff, hope they can thaw later. #lrnchat
09:04:57 pm gwoodill: John Seely Brown talks about “accidental learning”. Things that you learn that were not on the curriculum in a formal setting. #lrnchat
09:05:00 pm minutebio: Q2) Keep all aves. open 2 start. Many corps. block, block, block #lrnchat
09:05:06 pm urbie: Q#2, we can strive to incorporate play, manipulation, and interactivity in our work.. more “ah-ha!” and less “zzzz” #lrnchat
09:05:10 pm Quinnovator: Q2) provide infrastructure for conversations, collaboration, self-help learning; nurture self- and social-learning skills #lrnchat
09:05:12 pm SuzNet: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:05:13 pm emahlee: RT @marciamarcia Here’s how I’ve distinguished formal learning & informal learning (need to update a bit) http://cl.lk/inforr #lrnchat
09:05:15 pm doctorjeff: @lrnchat Q2: build collaborations between orgs that conduct both formal and informal education to leverage experiences #lrnchat
09:05:19 pm Schnicker: @everyselearning No, not me I’m afraid :o) #lrnchat
09:05:33 pm tigerlily300: Q2) Change the stigma that you’re “wasting time” asking fellow cubies questions. #lrnchat
09:05:36 pm kellygarber: @@JffZllr learn to not ask him and probably a bit of unlearn and relearn … #lrnchat
09:05:42 pm troutqueen: @tigerlily300 No real structure. Though might have a mgr toolkit with guidelines on coaching sessions. #lrnchat
09:05:43 pm gminks: 2. Learning GPS – point out areas where there is content that could facilitate informal #lrnchat
09:05:45 pm billcush: Q2) Formally, we can create infrastructure, networks, and environments in which people can figure it out for themselves. #lrnchat
09:05:46 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TungstenW Not so irrelevant. In many orgs., you get your cognitive car from just one dealer, & there’s no negotiation re options. #lrnchat
09:05:54 pm minutebio: Q2) Educate on use of informal mediums, even market that they exist. #lrnchat
09:05:56 pm GaryBrannigan: @tigerlily300 Give students much more respect & reasponsibility for their own learning #lrnchat
09:05:57 pm tmiket: Q2 Model the behavior for others to follow #lrnchat
09:06:08 pm billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:06:23 pm gminks: RT @minutebio: Q2) Educate on use of informal mediums, even market that they exist. #lrnchat
09:06:27 pm TriciaRansom: Q2) Where folks create their own learning and share it with others. #lrnchat
09:06:27 pm Quinnovator: @gwoodill @marciamarcia talks about formal/informal and intentional/accidental (defining quadrants) #lrnchat
09:06:33 pm minutebio: RT @tmiket: Q2 Model the behavior for others to follow // Absolutely! #lrnchat
09:06:43 pm TungstenW: one thread I am seeing that formal = repetitive and boring, but repetition is necessary to free up working memory in brain #lrnchat
09:06:49 pm troutqueen: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning?–> Upper mgmt understanding of pros. #lrnchat
09:06:52 pm TriciaRansom: Q2) Give our learners MUCH more respect for their intelligence in choosing what they want to learn #lrnchat
09:06:57 pm SueSchnorr: RT @billcush: Q2) Formally, we can create infrastructure, networks, and environments in which people can figure it out for themselves. #lrnchat
09:07:10 pm tigerlily300: Yes – Learners/worker in general! RT @GaryBrannigan:Give students much more respect & reasponsibility for their own learning #lrnchat
09:07:11 pm Dave_Ferguson: We can apply what we know to help our client succeed: multiple relevant examples, skunk work projects, research in action. #lrnchat
09:07:12 pm tmiket: @Dave_Ferguson Seems like there are always options if not for cars..walk..ride bike..what is learning equivalent of a moped? #lrnchat
09:07:12 pm gminks: q2 tie informal to formal – show where to go to get more content informally after a formal event #lrnchat
09:07:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TungstenW Not if it’s the INSTRUCTOR’S repetition. #lrnchat
09:07:28 pm GaryBrannigan: @billcush Deemphasize textbooks, and make students partners in the learning process #lrnchat
09:07:40 pm TriciaRansom: Q2) Change corp culture to accept less control in the learning experiences of the learner #lrnchat
09:07:57 pm doctorjeff: @billcush and once you are in that formal class you have given up your ability to define the experience #lrnchat
09:07:58 pm Quinnovator: Q2) tolerate diversity, make it safe to contribute and reward, model self- and social-learning, be transparent about goals #lrnchat
09:07:59 pm troutqueen: Q2) Get exec alignment. Make it part of learning programs. Or does that make it formal?😀 #lrnchat
09:08:05 pm hjarche: Agree with @SueSchnorr who says Networking = Learning, therefore improve/support networking for better informl learning #lrnchat
09:08:13 pm TriciaRansom: Q2) Develop new ways to measure what people learn. An ROI on objectives may not always capture all learning #lrnchat
09:08:26 pm jwillensky: Q2 For corporate, start with new hires and immediately give them some ownership. #lrnchat
09:08:27 pm Quinnovator: @TungstenW repetition doesn’t have to be boring, make it challenging: hard fun! #lrnchat
09:08:34 pm minutebio: RT @TriciaRansom: Q2) Give lrners MUCH mo rspect fr intelligence n choosing wht they want 2 lrn // Yes, constructivist in da house! #lrnchat
09:08:35 pm gminks: RT @hjarche: Agree with @SueSchnorr who says Networking = Learning, improve/support networking for better informl learning #lrnchat
09:08:36 pm tigerlily300: Q2) Provide some evidence, even just testimonials, of how informal learning is changing performance. #lrnchat
09:08:44 pm troutqueen: RT @TriciaRansom: Q2) Change corp culture to accept less control in the learning experiences of the learner Putting out peanuts for squirrels & waiting to see what happens? #lrnchat
09:08:53 pm drukid: q2. folks need better tools to archive their inf. learning…i tend to use evernote or some other pervasive notetaking tool. #lrnchat
09:08:58 pm tigerlily300: RT @TriciaRansom: Q2) Change corp culture to accept less control in the learning experiences of the learner #lrnchat
09:09:00 pm audioswhite: RT @Quinnovator: Q2) provide infrastructure for conversations, collaboration, self-help learning; nurture self- and social-learning skills #lrnchat
09:09:06 pm SueSchnorr: Q2 -BLEND! build informal options/reinforcement into design for formal program #lrnchat
09:09:23 pm hjarche: RT @BlancheMaynard: @hjarche increasing number and quality of following and followers available for questions is how to support informal learning #lrnchat
09:09:29 pm billcush: Unless, I tweet during class and ask questions of my #lrnchat buddies. @doctorjeff
09:09:29 pm minutebio: RT @SueSchnorr: Q2 -BLEND! build informal options/reinforcement into design for formal program #lrnchat
09:09:30 pm Quinnovator: Gotta run, may duck in later while waiting for concert to start #lrnchat
09:09:40 pm TriciaRansom: RT @SueSchnorr: Q2 -BLEND! build informal options/reinforcement into design for formal program #lrnchat
09:09:41 pm jwillensky: RT @hjarche: Agree with @SueSchnorr who says Networking = Learning, therefore improve/support networking 4 better informal learning #lrnchat
09:09:44 pm tigerlily300: RT @SueSchnorr: Q2 -BLEND! build informal options/reinforcement into design for formal program #lrnchat
09:09:47 pm kellygarber: Q2: take the leg work out of finding the better resources and provide a list, links, wikis …share #lrnchat
09:09:57 pm troutqueen: Q2) Ensure the tools are there, and resources, and that they’re usable #lrnchat
09:09:59 pm everyselearning: I figured out what I learned. I can read a sentence while it is moving down the tweet chat screen. Pretty remarkable, really. #lrnchat
09:10:01 pm Dave_Ferguson: @drukid Agree w/ you — but non-Evernote user needs to see value thru examples relevant to him/her, right? #lrnchat
09:10:01 pm gminks: RT @TriciaRansom: RT @SueSchnorr: Q2 -BLEND! build informal options/reinforcement into design for formal program #lrnchat
09:10:20 pm gminks: RT @troutqueen: Q2) Ensure the tools are there, and resources, and that theyre usable #lrnchat
09:10:20 pm GaryBrannigan: Make the learning process more authentic, and allow students to be involved in all aspects of this process #lrnchat
09:10:30 pm tmiket: Q2 Even in formal events the backchannel is an alternative/enhancement #lrnchat
09:10:39 pm TriciaRansom: @everyselearning I’m learning to read in new ways too! #lrnchat
09:10:43 pm jwillensky: RT @troutqueen: Q2) Ensure the tools are there, and resources, and that they’re usable #lrnchat
09:10:51 pm urbie: Q#2, we measure the quality of the learner’s learning-experience & weight it equal to meeting the objectives? #lrnchat – continually improve
09:10:53 pm SuzNet: trust employees to leave their work site for brief informal learning field trips of their choice #lrnchat
09:11:00 pm tigerlily300: Q2) Help workers find identify and locate each other to build their network. #lrnchat
09:11:05 pm NicoleLazzaro: RT @cherot Einstein said “Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.” #lrnchat
09:11:07 pm doctorjeff: I’m not really getting this.:( Many comments seem 2indicate we nd more informal in the classroom. But pbm is formal not done right. #lrnchat
09:11:15 pm hjarche: Blend, OK – but only reinforce effective training, if not, go for a purebred solution #lrnchat
09:11:25 pm TriciaRansom: RT @troutqueen: Q2) Ensure the tools are there, and resources, and that theyre usable — And accepted by the culture #lrnchat
09:12:00 pm billcush: RT @drukid: q2. folks need better tools to archive their inf. learning..tend to use evernote or some other notetaking tool. #lrnchat
09:12:13 pm gwoodill: RT @NicoleLazzaro: Einstein said “Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.” Nice! #lrnchat
09:12:21 pm gminks: @hjarche purebred solution? #lrnchat
09:12:22 pm doctorjeff: @NicoleLazzaro which is an often repeated but kinda silly statement. #lrnchat
09:12:23 pm drukid: @Dave_Ferguson … true. didn’t think of that. I was thinking of inf. lrning as a 1 to 1 activity, not 1 to many. #lrnchat
09:12:32 pm tmiket: @hjarche Call it what you want. The goal is most effective learning give each specific scenario right? #lrnchat
09:12:34 pm SueSchnorr: Q2 Foster collaboration and sharing best practices … trust people to LEARN/talk at the water cooler #lrnchat
09:12:43 pm troutqueen: @TriciaRansom Acceptance by corporate culture is one of the hardest hurdles. #lrnchat
09:12:47 pm billcush: @GaryBrannigan Students definitely need to be partners…and take more responsibility for learning. #lrnchat
09:13:12 pm hjarche: @gminks purebred – not necessarily blended with formal training (just made that up) #lrnchat
09:13:15 pm doctorjeff: Putting informal into formal ed is not the answer. Recognizing that formal ed is taught wrong is the answer. #lrnchat
09:13:18 pm GaryBrannigan: The key to learning is motivation. What will motivate students to want to learn…and continue to learn? #lrnchat
09:13:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: Honestly, except for execs (who get golf), who says, “Oh, boy, a week away from the job so I can learn about X in a class?”… #lrnchat
09:13:24 pm enzofsilva: Incidental? “Q1) Informal Learning sneaks up on you – you often don’t know you’re even doing it (as a student) #lrnchat” (via @Schnicker)
09:13:26 pm tigerlily300: How do you get to that level of trust? RT @SueSchnorr: Q2 trust people to LEARN/talk at the water cooler #lrnchat
09:13:38 pm Dave_Ferguson: …and for those who do, would they still say that at 1 p.m. on Day 4? #lrnchat
09:13:38 pm smitty1966: Q2) Twiiter is a new way to learn/share. Barriers to new models need to be removed=better outcomes for learners #lrnchat
09:13:42 pm tmiket: @troutqueen Changing corp culture may be *THE* hardest hurdle! #lrnchat
09:13:45 pm urbie: Q#2, we can make it difficult for learners to learn by listening & work towards getting them to ask questions #lrnchat among themselves?
09:13:55 pm gminks: @hjarche Ah I see – I’m not sure it can be blended — maybe added on? #lrnchat
09:13:57 pm TriciaRansom: Create ways for folks to share what they learned informally (water cooler) so mngt trusts it’s working #lrnchat
09:14:05 pm hjarche: @tmiket lots of caveats & questions in that statement – limited by 140 chars here #lrnchat
09:14:13 pm GaryBrannigan: We need to find what motivates students…sometimes on an individual basis #lrnchat
09:14:19 pm troutqueen: RT @tigerlily300: Q2) Help workers find identify and locate each other to build their network. <–Yes, build comm of learners. #lrnchat
09:14:35 pm billcush: Q2) Formally, we can create incentives for people to contribute on their own…time, expertise, ideas, etc… #lrnchat
09:14:37 pm emahlee: Excellent example of incorporating informal learning, formally: @ddmeyer's highly praised #TEDxNYED talk http://bit.ly/akkxbr #lrnchat
09:14:44 pm enzofsilva: But isn't conversation communication? "informal is conversation, formal is communication" #lrnchat (via @Quinnovator)
09:14:44 pm hjarche: @gminks or cut out what doesn't work? blending implies keeping the old stuff that didn't work #lrnchat
09:14:47 pm billcush: RT @NicoleLazzaro: RT @cherot Einstein said “Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in school.” #lrnchat
09:14:59 pm SuzNet: @SueSchnorr yes, great learning takes place at water coolers – like the virtual one we're at right now! #lrnchat
09:15:09 pm troutqueen: RT @tmiket: @troutqueen Changing corp culture may be *THE* hardest hurdle! <– Have tried hammer. Doesn't work. #lrnchat
09:15:10 pm JffZllr: Q2 Support informal learning by giving up control… measuring performance instead #lrnchat
09:15:12 pm drukid: @gwoodill RT @NicoleLazzaro, Education is what remains … — Einstein <- this was before a credential trumped intellect. #lrnchat
09:15:18 pm minutebio: RT @billcush: Q2) Formally, we can create incentives for people to contribute on their own…time, expertise, ideas, etc… #lrnchat
09:15:19 pm SteveKoss: Terrific post by @marciamarcia Lifelong learning‚Ķ http://bit.ly/dC3aoS public library & your alumni eLibrary powerful… #lrnchat
09:15:33 pm hjarche: @emahlee I think Dan's work is just good instruction #lrnchat
09:15:39 pm doctorjeff: If tchr lecturs rather than facilitates expression of ideas or denies ownership in learning that's bad forml ed, not nd 4 informal. #lrnchat
09:15:42 pm jeremymeyers: #lrnchat stop thinking about formal and informal and just talk, discuss, learn from each other
09:15:42 pm tigerlily300: What's a good balance or ratio of learning to performing? #lrnchat
09:15:46 pm trappc: RT @JffZllr: Q2 Support informal learning by giving up control… measuring performance instead #lrnchat
09:15:46 pm TungstenW: informal learning. I oversee random drug testing at my school. Many students learn to need to go to the bathroom when they see me #lrnchat
09:16:01 pm tmiket: @troutqueen Sledge hammer or jack hammer?😎 #lrnchat
09:16:06 pm troutqueen: @billcush Any ideas on incentives to contribute/share? #lrnchat
09:16:17 pm hjarche: RT @JffZllr: Q2 Support informal learning by giving up control… measuring performance instead | give that man a prize! #lrnchat
09:16:21 pm billcush: Giddy Up! RT @GaryBrannigan: Key to learning is motivation. What will motivate students to want to learn..and continue to learn? #lrnchat
09:16:31 pm gminks: @hjarche unless the old stuff works — but I think you said that in the beginning so ok I get it now #lrnchat
09:16:36 pm urbie: RT @TungstenW: informal learning. I oversee random drug testing at my school. Many students learn to need to go to the bathroom when they see me #lrnchat
09:16:42 pm TriciaRansom: RT @tigerlily300: Whats a good balance or ratio of learning to performing? //May b different 4 each person #lrnchat
09:16:50 pm everyselearning: Gotta go prepare dinner. May get back later. #lrnchat
09:17:01 pm drukid: @jeremymeyers #lrnchat stop thinking about formal and informal and just talk, discuss <– what happened to e-democracy? #lrnchat
09:17:10 pm GaryBrannigan: If we create a network with both formal & informal components that motivates students to learn, it should be successful #lrnchat
09:17:28 pm gminks: ok 1 more on blend/add-to. formal should work, should give learners the words to do propers searches for info so they can do infrml #lrnchat
09:17:31 pm Schnicker: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
09:17:40 pm JffZllr: Q2 – Formal training gets a bum rap becuz it has been done poorly. U rembr gud techrs in HS – that was formal (but u rembr bad too) #lrnchat
09:17:41 pm Dave_Ferguson: @tigerlily300 Good ratio of learning to performing: performing continues to improve. When it doesn't, question "learning." #lrnchat
09:17:50 pm urbie: @TriciaRansom when learners tilt over too far and fall.. probably too much #lrnchat
09:17:52 pm TriciaRansom: Measuring times, ratios, etc. not the important stuff. Who cares how they learn as long as they can do they job? #lrnchat
09:17:59 pm billcush: @troutqueen Maybe people should earn "points" for contributing things. Points add up (reputation grows). Points can be used… #lrnchat
09:18:20 pm troutqueen: @JffZllr Ideally, that's what we'd want. But those higher ups demand hard numbers, stats, analysis, etc… Informal is also a cost. #lrnchat
09:18:35 pm Dave_Ferguson: @drukid I kinda hope "e-democracy" goes in the recycle bin with "e-meeting," "e-sleep," and "e-dancing." #lrnchat
09:18:48 pm tigerlily300: Good pt. RT @Dave_Ferguson: Good ratio of learning to performing: performing continues to improve. When it doesnt, ? "learning." #lrnchat
09:19:07 pm gminks: @TriciaRansom recording all that stuff though is important to plan for what you need (server space, etc) #lrnchat
09:19:07 pm GaryBrannigan: I'm not talking about external incentives, I'm interested in finding ways to grab students by the heart & mind! #lrnchat
09:19:11 pm TriciaRansom: @urbie ahhhh, but are they learning when they fall? & will they remember the fall more than the "course" they were forced 2 go to? #lrnchat
09:19:46 pm SueSchnorr: Speaking of informal learning, Where's Jay Cross? Add this to the drinking game/when your mention gurus in the field😉 #lrnchat
09:19:46 pm JffZllr: @troutqueen – Yep… back to control issues… ROI. (re: hard numbers, stats, etc) #lrnchat
09:19:47 pm gwoodill: RT @billcush: @troutqueen Maybe people should earn "points" – isn't that a learning game? Are learning games formal or informal? #lrnchat
09:19:55 pm hjarche: I did weigh in this subject this week http://is.gd/bEfsm & http://is.gd/bCmdX in case anybody missed it😉 #lrnchat
09:19:56 pm urbie: Q#2, to support informal learning we can ask others (e.g. Senior Plumbing Designer) how they teach #lrnchat
09:20:22 pm doctorjeff: @GaryBrannigan and in my mind the way to do that is give them ownership in learning. #lrnchat
09:20:25 pm TriciaRansom: @gminks I think recording what happened is good. Planning what will happen based on those records might now be #lrnchat
09:20:27 pm drukid: @TriciaRansom Whats a good balance or ratio of learning to performing?…it depends,as a function of time,performing should b gr8tr #lrnchat
09:20:34 pm troutqueen: @billcush I can see use of pts, but intangible for some, who demand more concrete incentive. Fear of losing unique knowledge & job. #lrnchat
09:20:40 pm gwoodill: @Dave_Ferguson You forgot e-tivities…Title of a book. #lrnchat
09:20:49 pm TriciaRansom: @gminks ugh – not enuf space 4 my thoughts! #lrnchat
09:20:58 pm troutqueen: @JffZllr Maybe I should aim to be CEO one day… #lrnchat
09:21:00 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gwoodill It's all egregious. #lrnchat
09:21:31 pm gminks: @TriciaRansom tweets are free use more than 1!🙂 #lrnchat
09:21:41 pm urbie: @TriciaRansom in a course about where not to fly a rescue helicopter yes, remembering failure is the correct response #lrnchat
09:22:00 pm troutqueen: @gwoodill Learning games could be both informal & formal. Depends on how used. My opinion, of course. #lrnchat
09:22:11 pm GaryBrannigan: @doctorjeff Yes, ownership, or better yet, partnership…part of the intensity created by group interaction #lrnchat
09:22:18 pm TriciaRansom: @drukid If they're learning by performing, or performing while learning, ration is 1:1. #lrnchat
09:22:20 pm billcush: Perhaps, but I see it as in perpetuity. RT@gwoodill @troutqueen Maybe people should earn "points" – isn't that a learning game? #lrnchat
09:22:39 pm lrnchat: Q3) How can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent education strategy? #lrnchat
09:23:03 pm TriciaRansom: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent education strategy? #lrnchat
09:23:08 pm drukid: @Dave_Ferguson when u throw out the e-words, just make sure we don't let the academics create esoteric mnemonics as replacements #lrnchat
09:23:09 pm tigerlily300: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent education strategy? #lrnchat
09:23:28 pm billcush: @troutqueen But the very people who fear losing unique knowledge/job, prob crave building reputation of expertise. #lrnchat
09:23:39 pm drukid: @TriciaRansom @drukid If they're learning by performing, or performing while learning, ration is 1:1. #lrnchat <- tru dat #lrnchat
09:23:45 pm gwoodill: @troutqueen Why does it matter if games are formal or informal. Main req. is playability, then learning. #lrnchat
09:23:47 pm doctorjeff: @GaryBrannigan agreed, my pt is that the student owns the experience wether an individual or a team. #lrnchat
09:24:00 pm GaryBrannigan: @lrnchat Make it problem oriented, so people have to learn and work together to solve it. #lrnchat
09:24:09 pm SuzNet: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent education strategy? #lrnchat
09:24:12 pm kellygarber: Q3: incorporate self-study initiatives #lrnchat
09:24:17 pm Dave_Ferguson: @drukid Trust me, those academics aren't monitoring twitter chats. #lrnchat
09:24:45 pm troutqueen: @billcush I see where some may, but in financial industry, and current environment has everyone worried about their jobs. #lrnchat
09:24:51 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) Key thing is to recognize that they rely on different interventions to solve different tactical challenges #lrnchat
09:24:51 pm stickylearning: Only able to 'lurk' in #lrnchat today.😦 very busy after 3 days at #aitd Sydney
09:25:01 pm doctorjeff: @TriciaRansom Are u focusing on learning in a business environment or a classroom environment – very different. #lrnchat
09:25:11 pm troutqueen: RT @GaryBrannigan: @lrnchat Make it problem oriented, so people have to learn and work together to solve it. #lrnchat
09:25:20 pm urbie: Q#3, coherent to whom: the ID, the SME, the person who signs the check or to the learner that has to demonstrate improvement? #lrnchat
09:25:20 pm LandDDave: Joining #lrnchat very late tonight, but better late than never! Hi all! #lrnchat
09:25:21 pm drukid: @TriciaRansom re: learning by performing… they need to know WHAT they are learning. I sumtimes create failure to hi-light lrning #lrnchat
09:25:25 pm emahlee: .@venessamiemis is creating a community-driven structure 4 informal learning: #junto. C http://bit.ly/axXgpA http://bit.ly/bErc7h #lrnchat
09:25:39 pm TriciaRansom: Q3) 4 me question is: With changes and increased pace of corp. life how can we create coherent & current strategy for anything? #lrnchat
09:25:43 pm stevebarkley: If your knowledge helped me….. I don't care how you learned it…#lrnchat
09:25:46 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent education strategy? #lrnchat
09:25:59 pm doctorjeff: learning versus performance are different in a business versus a grade K-16 environment. #lrnchat
09:26:05 pm TriciaRansom: @doctorjeff business #lrnchat
09:26:10 pm troutqueen: That is key.RT @gwoodill: @troutqueen Why does it matter if games are formal or informal. Main req. is playability, then learning. #lrnchat
09:26:15 pm tigerlily300: Q3) Based on analysis, blend solution from a long, diverse list of choices. And, make room for other things learners decide to do. #lrnchat
09:26:22 pm jwillensky: Q3 Demonstrate, emphasize extraction of hidden expertise, link to biz needs, don't give up. #lrnchat
09:26:24 pm drukid: @Dave_Ferguson Trust, those academics aren't monitoring twit-chats. <– yeah, they r all @ a holiday inn express somewhere. #lrnchat
09:26:35 pm billcush: @troutqueen Well, the one's who contribute the least should worry the most. #lrnchat
09:26:37 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) It's about marrying the right tool to the right problem; more tools means we need to be smarter about where we use them #lrnchat
09:26:44 pm gminks: @TriciaRansom if we as learning professionals can't create something coherent who can? #lrnchat
09:26:45 pm SuzNet: Q3 – Acknowledge informal learning in coaching discussions; development plans #lrnchat
09:26:51 pm doctorjeff: @stevebarkley now that's not what learning or teaching is about. #lrnchat
09:27:08 pm gminks: RT @jwillensky: Q3 Demonstrate, emphasize extraction of hidden expertise, link to biz needs, dont give up. #lrnchat
09:27:12 pm marciamarcia: I don't see formal or informal learning as a noun, it's a verb, the 'how' in the learning. #lrnchat RT @drukid <tru dat!
09:27:27 pm kpkfusion: RT @marciamarcia: I don't see formal or informal learning as a noun, it's a verb, the 'how' in the learning. #lrnchat RT @drukid <tru dat!
09:27:31 pm troutqueen: Q3) Post formal learning, create common problem-solving goal/assignment. #lrnchat
09:27:33 pm drukid: q0) i will now call myself a learning professional…will test it out this weekend:) #lrnchat
09:27:37 pm kellygarber: Q3: establish learning partners (remember your lab partner in science class?) and give them "missions". #lrnchat
09:27:39 pm gminks: Q3 know where informal learning content is being created, point learners in formal programs at that informal content #lrnchat
09:27:44 pm doctorjeff: @TriciaRansom maybe that is why I am having sooo many problems with this discussion. Is this a chat about learning in business? #lrnchat
09:27:46 pm urbie: Q#3.. center the strategy on the needs of the diverse audience and see what sticks (pilot). tweak and repeat. #lrnchat
09:28:16 pm SuzNet: RT @kellygarber: Q3: establish learning partners (remember your lab partner in science class?) and give them "missions". #lrnchat
09:28:17 pm minutebio: RT @gminks: Q3 know where informal learning content is being created, point learners in formal programs at that informal content #lrnchat
09:28:25 pm TriciaRansom: @gminks I can create coherent. I can create current. But both at once? Hard when things change yesterday every day #lrnchat
09:28:29 pm GaryBrannigan: Learning will require structure, but students can be active in developing/refining that structure. #lrnchat
09:28:33 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) we also need to get smarter about community, social concepts – long tail, wisdom of crowds, network effects, self-efficacy etc. #lrnchat
09:28:36 pm tigerlily300: Q3) Help learners take charge to shape their own strategies. #lrnchat
09:28:46 pm kellygarber: RT @troutqueen: Q3) Post formal learning, create common problem-solving goal/assignment. #lrnchat
09:28:49 pm troutqueen: @billcush Agreed. Someone should tell them that. Battling human fear of survival = not easy. #lrnchat
09:28:59 pm TriciaRansom: @doctorjeff I think lots of us are in the corporate non-profit world…at least I am🙂 #lrnchat
09:29:04 pm hjarche: @doctorjeff there's always a mix here & since my focus is workplace learning, I notice the difference #lrnchat
09:29:11 pm LandDDave: Q3) I think Informal Learning and Formal Learning work together, but the formal part can not 'count on' the informal part #lrnchat
09:29:13 pm billcush: Q3) Link formal/informal learning into a strategy: Performance should be focused result. The strategy should enable performance. #lrnchat
09:29:20 pm TriciaRansom: RT @gminks: Q3 know where informal learning content is being created, point learners in formal programs at that informal content #lrnchat
09:29:23 pm troutqueen: RT @tigerlily300: Q3) Help learners take charge to shape their own strategies. #lrnchat
09:29:29 pm kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent education strategy? #lrnchat
09:29:39 pm billcush: @troutqueen I'm sure. Sounds like quite a challenge. #lrnchat
09:29:45 pm TrivWorks: Weekly pub quiz? RT @lrnchat Q3) How can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent education strategy? #lrnchat
09:29:49 pm Dave_Ferguson: @troutqueen Don't we fear NOT surviving? 😉 Maybe it depends on your workplace…
#lrnchat
09:29:51 pm gminks: @TriciaRansom thats why we have to teach our learners to create and find other user created content, no way we can do it all #lrnchat
09:29:51 pm GaryBrannigan: The workplace can also be a model for the classroom #lrnchat
09:29:52 pm SueSchnorr: Identify the "Go to people"/WHO to go to, in addition to where/how to find info/resources #lrnchat
09:29:59 pm tigerlily300: RT @billcush: Q3) Link formal/informal learning into a strategy: Perf should be focused result. The strategy should enable perf. #lrnchat
09:30:22 pm troutqueen: RT @gminks: Q3 know where informal learning content is being created, point learners in formal programs at that informal content #lrnchat
09:30:26 pm SuzNet: was it Einstein or Edison that kept a pile of junk laying around so he could invent new things whenever? #lrnchat
09:30:29 pm gminks: RT @TrivWorks: Weekly pub quiz? RT @lrnchat Q3) How can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent education strategy? #lrnchat
09:30:30 pm dwilkinsnh: Can't make smart choices if we don't understand the nuances and domain-specific SWOT of the informal / social stuff #lrnchat
09:30:33 pm minutebio: RT @troutqueen: RT @tigerlily300: Q3) Help learners take charge to shape their own strategies. / & model #lrnchat
09:30:49 pm TriciaRansom: Q3) I'm on a big "create it yourself" kick and I'll help you focus your efforts/conversations #lrnchat
09:30:55 pm doctorjeff: @hjarche thanks. Cause manny of these thoughts would not cut it in good grade K-16 classrooms and good museums. #lrnchat
09:31:01 pm gminks: RT @billcush: Q3) Link formal/informal learning into a strategy: Perf should be focused result. The strategy should enable perf. #lrnchat
09:31:11 pm stickylearning: Yep! RT @dwilkinsnh Q3 …marrying right tool to right problem; more tools means we need to be smarter about where we use them #lrnchat
09:31:23 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q3: From training to performance. From instruction to learning. From events to process. #lrnchat
09:31:25 pm TriciaRansom: Q3) Acknowledge we can't create all training, instead facilitate the sharing of learning and opportunities #lrnchat
09:31:31 pm urbie: @TriciaRansom dunno about this; if the content isn't in the formal program then why does the formal program exist? #lrnchat
09:31:49 pm gminks: @SuzNet Edison never really invented anything – he stole it all from Tesla! #lrnchat
09:31:55 pm emahlee: @hjarche Disagree. Dan doesn't give students formulas. He let's them explore ideas. Fosters conversation among students 4 learning. #lrnchat
09:31:58 pm TungstenW: @Dave_Ferguson but still learning…the brain only not learns when dead #lrnchat
09:32:11 pm doctorjeff: @stickylearning and recognize that many tools ought not be used at all. #lrnchat
09:32:18 pm billcush: Q3) If strategy is buying donuts..and performance improves (sales, productivity, lower costs)..Buy more donuts. #lrnchat
09:32:19 pm everyselearning: Laptop now in the kitchen. What did I miss?? #lrnchat
09:32:20 pm TriciaRansom: @doctorjeff Now that I think of it, no they wouldn't. #lrnchat
09:32:40 pm doctorjeff: RT @emahlee: @hjarche Disagree. Dan doesn't give students formulas. He let's them explore ideas. Fosters conversation among students 4 learning. #lrnchat
09:32:42 pm SuzNet: @gminks must of been Einstein, then. or maybe Tesla #lrnchat
09:32:47 pm troutqueen: @Dave_Ferguson Have worked at those types of companies before! But reassuring employees sharing =/= Forced retirement challenging #lrnchat
09:32:56 pm TungstenW: @Quinnovator but many students have learned to shutdown at hard #lrnchat
09:32:57 pm gminks: @billcush I like the donut strategy #lrnchat
09:33:16 pm TriciaRansom: @urbie For managers to have somewhere to send people? Because they always have? Because they're familiar and comfie to people? #lrnchat
09:33:18 pm dwilkinsnh: My experience with most companies to date? "I want a wiki!" Me: "What problem are you trying to solve?" Them: "ummm" #lrnchat
09:33:19 pm tigerlily300: Q3) Do we need a *coherent* education strategy? #lrnchat
09:33:23 pm gminks: @SuzNet always go with the #aspies you won't go wrong!🙂 #lrnchat
09:33:37 pm hjarche: @emahlee @doctorjeff but they're still trapped by the curriculum #lrnchat
09:33:40 pm TungstenW: @Dave_Ferguson not on opposite ends just the same mobius strip🙂 #lrnchat
09:33:47 pm TriciaRansom: Too True!! RT @doctorjeff: @stickylearning and recognize that many tools ought not be used at all. #lrnchat
09:33:49 pm kellygarber: RT @SuzNet: Q3 – Acknowledge informal learning in coaching discussions; development plans #lrnchat
09:34:04 pm gminks: of course the aspie sitting next to me immediately says "I bet thats not true I bet there are Aspies that steal stuff" #lrnchat
09:34:10 pm urbie: @TriciaRansom then you probably want to challenge the manager and ask wtf? #lrnchat
09:34:16 pm gminks: RT @kellygarber: RT @SuzNet: Q3 – Acknowledge informal learning in coaching discussions; development plans #lrnchat
09:34:22 pm billcush: Q3) The strategy link is connected via the idea that we are just helping people be smarter so they can do a good/great job #lrnchat
09:34:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: @dwilkinsnh The lack of wiki, of course. #lrnchat
09:34:33 pm TriciaRansom: @urbie And sometimes formal programs do work, are excellent, and folks learn. #lrnchat
09:34:39 pm doctorjeff: OK, if I pull back frm learnng objectives in education versus learning in a business environ, then the commonality is HOW we learn. #lrnchat
09:35:22 pm GaryBrannigan: Companies want productive thinkers, but how do we develop productive thinking w/o having faith in & giving responsibility to kids #lrnchat
09:35:32 pm sillym0nkey: Deb Thomas in Atlanta – just signing in! – itweeted that once but it didnt tweet! #lrnchat
09:35:33 pm doctorjeff: Learning is empowered by the LEARNER, and NOT a teacher, or instructor, or edtech, or environment. #lrnchat
09:35:47 pm TungstenW: @doctorjeff we all learn the same way. with our brains connected to our bodies🙂 #lrnchat
09:35:50 pm dwilkinsnh: @Dave_Ferguson LOL Right, my bad… ; ) #lrnchat
09:36:02 pm TriciaRansom: Good learning is good learning. Bad learning is bad learning. And is this different for each person. #lrnchat
09:36:12 pm gminks: @doctorjeff agree w everything EXCEPT environment. Environment def impacts learning #lrnchat
09:36:14 pm SuzNet: @gminks i'm going to have to do some informal learning on aspies# now #lrnchat
09:36:27 pm doctorjeff: A good teacher will facilitate the learner to empower themselves. That is FORMAL learning. Teacher as guide not enforcer. #lrnchat
09:36:35 pm TriciaRansom: 2 paraphrase: What's one's person's bad learning is another's idea of perfection #lrnchat
09:36:35 pm gminks: yay @sillym0nkey is here! #lrnchat
09:36:36 pm urbie: @TriciaRansom true #lrnchat
09:36:54 pm hjarche: @doctorjeff biz doesn't care how we learn, biz cares that work gets done: even Senge says indiv learning of no significance in orgs #lrnchat
09:36:57 pm doctorjeff: IF the learner empowers themselves to have a learning experience, that is INFORMAL learning. #lrnchat
09:37:12 pm TriciaRansom: @gminks but you can learn in a bad environment if you need too. Motivation trumps environmment #lrnchat
09:37:30 pm sillym0nkey: i created a system called Attacktics – it's all about the informal learning – attack them in unsuspecting locations #lrnchat
09:37:38 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TriciaRansom I think "bad training" rather than "bad learning."
#lrnchat
09:37:43 pm LandDDave: I think Formal = the learner knows they are learning; Informal = the learner is learning without realizing it was structured. #lrnchat
09:37:52 pm gminks: this is true. If informal imprvs perf, they'll allow RT @hjarche: @doctorjeff biz doesnt care how we learn, biz careswork gets done #lrnchat
09:38:02 pm stickylearning: RT @Suznet was it Einstein or Edison that kept…junk laying around so he could invent new things whenever? #lrnchat – that's my 4yr old🙂
09:38:17 pm billcush: Exactly. RT @hjarche: @doctorjeff biz doesn't care how we learn, biz cares that work gets done: Senge says indiv learning of no sig #lrnchat
09:38:20 pm gminks: @TriciaRansom not always – my daughter has sensory disorder she cannot learn if she gets overwhelmed w sensory input #lrnchat
09:38:23 pm dwilkinsnh: @doctorjeff Agree that learning starts & ends w/ learner, but journey goes thru environment, mgmt… who make it longer or shorter #lrnchat
09:38:32 pm TriciaRansom: @Dave_Ferguson typo. That's what I get for watchng The Wedding Planner while lrnchatting! #lrnchat
09:38:33 pm drukid: gotta run, last day of my blended learning cohort tomorrow. I'll share the fellows' screencasts on my twitter. Be well. GO Yanks! #lrnchat
09:38:43 pm Dave_Ferguson: @stickylearning No, it was Goldman Sachs. #lrnchat
09:38:50 pm simple_reviews: Gave away Tilt: Flip's Adventure eco iPad game for #EarthDay http://bit.ly/bMQ5GW and learned the power of FREE #lrnchat /via @NicoleLazzaro
09:39:26 pm doctorjeff: Coherence in formal versus informal means seamless bridge betwn directed learning, & experiences learner has initiated. #lrnchat
09:39:26 pm tigerlily300: @hjarche: Agree that business emphasizes work getting done, but if they don't care how we learn–why so many control issues? #lrnchat
09:39:31 pm gminks: @doctorjeff if formal is designed to build off your previous experiences…you learn, it was designed to help you make connections #lrnchat
09:39:31 pm TriciaRansom: @gminks didn't think of that. But in an extraordinarily hostile environment my grandparents learned to hunt instead of starve. #lrnchat
09:39:44 pm billcush: Donuts! RT @gminks: this is true. If informal imprvs perf, they'll allow RT @hjarche: @doctorjeff biz cares that work gets done #lrnchat
09:40:04 pm SuzNet: @stickylearning yes! kids are great informal learners – they can teach us adults how to make something out of nothing #lrnchat
09:40:12 pm TriciaRansom: @gminks The more I think, the more I don't know. I need to think on this some more! #lrnchat
09:40:33 pm dwilkinsnh: Not sure it matters whether mgmt "allows" infrml learning, it's whether they choose to optimize and support it… #lrnchat
09:40:36 pm pdparticle: RT @NicoleLazzaro: Gave away Tilt: Flip's Adventure eco iPad game for #EarthDay http://bit.ly/bMQ5GW and learned the power of FREE #lrnchat
09:40:42 pm kellygarber: RT @TriciaRansom: @gminks The more I think, the more I dont know. I need to think on this some more! #lrnchat
09:40:55 pm gminks: @TriciaRansom but did everyone? I know I was the only woman in my classes for the first 2 years of college, I could do it, not all #lrnchat
09:41:01 pm jwillensky: RT @dwilkinsnh: Not sure it matters whether mgmt "allows" infrml learning, it's whether they choose to optimize and support it… #lrnchat
09:41:03 pm lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
09:41:07 pm hjarche: @tigerlily300 cuz management worried you'll game the system #lrnchat
09:41:09 pm urbie: @doctorjeff check out NCLB's definition of a good teacher: http://bit.ly/bncOxh ..it's all technical – where' the part about guide? #lrnchat
09:41:13 pm troutqueen: RT @dwilkinsnh: Not sure it matters whether mgmt "allows" infrml learning, it's whether they choose to optimize and support it… #lrnchat
09:41:15 pm LandDDave: I don't think Businesses care about the ROI of Informal Learning. If they want the ROI, they want the composite of all efforts #lrnchat
09:41:21 pm TriciaRansom: @gminks: and I don't know a lot! Maybe if I stop thinking I'd be content with what I do know? #lrnchat
09:41:22 pm doctorjeff: @gminks even in environ, the empowerment comes FROM the learner. The learner empowered to ask question :What is under that rock?" #lrnchat
09:41:28 pm gminks: @TriciaRansom could handle the environment (I have 5 brothers!) #lrnchat
09:41:28 pm SueSchnorr: @SuzNet …then our house is a think tank, with all the toys strewn here & there!🙂 #lrnchat
09:41:30 pm Quinnovator: Need to create an integrated learning environment of formal and informal, a performance *ecosystem*! #lrnchat
09:41:40 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TriciaRansom Ignorance = fuel for furnace of science; knowledge clearing that appears as we consume fuel… #lrnchat
09:41:41 pm stickylearning: RT @dwilkinsnh My experience with most companies to date? "I want a wiki!" Me: "What problem are you trying to solve?" Them: "umm" #lrnchat
09:41:42 pm tigerlily300: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
09:41:43 pm sillym0nkey: informal learning: Random acts of training #lrnchat
09:41:44 pm hjarche: Q4) Management bad, leadership by example good #lrnchat
09:41:46 pm minutebio: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
09:41:51 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
09:41:56 pm GaryBrannigan: RT @doctorjeff: Coherence in formal versus informal means seamless bridge betwn directed learning, & experiences learner has initi. #lrnchat
09:41:57 pm troutqueen: @dwilkinsnh Very true. Informal learning will happen – water cooler talk, etc. Supporting it is another kettle of worms. #lrnchat
09:42:01 pm gwoodill: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! #lrnchat
09:42:05 pm marciamarcia: RT @simple_reviews: Gave away Tilt: Flip's Adventure eco iPad game for #EarthDay http://bit.ly/bMQ5GW and learned the power of FREE #lrnchat /via @NicoleLazzaro
09:42:06 pm gminks: @doctorjeff but not all can do that if the environment is hostile to them, primary defenses override anything else. #lrnchat
09:42:06 pm dwilkinsnh: @tigerlily300 Because they get sued if the wrong ppl see the wrong stuff & they get fined if ppl don't see the right stuff #lrnchat
09:42:06 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TriciaRansom …more we know, wider clearing gets, more igorance we can see. (Paraphrase of Matt Ridley) #lrnchat
09:42:07 pm troutqueen: RT @sillym0nkey: informal learning: Random acts of training #lrnchat
09:42:17 pm TriciaRansom: @gminks 5 brothers?!?!!?! You can handle anything!! #lrnchat
09:42:19 pm urbie: Q#4, learning activities should have boundaries or, like a tug-boat, old tires hanging off their sides to minimize crash damage #lrnchat
09:42:25 pm doctorjeff: @urbie And here is my definition of a good teacher: essay on the Art of Teaching: http://bit.ly/Zn0x9 NCLB is VERY wrong. #lrnchat
09:42:41 pm gminks: @TriciaRansom hah I have this feeling you & I are alot alike — no way to stop thinking!!🙂 #lrnchat
09:42:43 pm tigerlily300: Q4) Not really manage, just find ways to optimize it. #lrnchat
09:42:49 pm gminks: @TriciaRansom and a sister. hah #lrnchat
09:42:57 pm dwilkinsnh: @troutqueen Bingo, much better said… Exactly what I was driving at… #lrnchat
09:42:58 pm jwillensky: Q4) Encourage people to play in the same sandbox. Then get out of the way. #lrnchat
09:43:09 pm jadekaz: Q4: We should try to figure out the activities taking place and make sure tools/culture are in place to make as easy as possible. #lrnchat
09:43:09 pm minutebio: Q4) Shld it b managed? Encouraged, yes, but managed? #lrnchat
09:43:20 pm TriciaRansom: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
09:43:29 pm billcush: Q4) Trying to manage informal learning may squelch the whole thing. Mgmt may halt informal (productive) learning with rules #lrnchat
09:43:31 pm tigerlily300: I'm glad I'm not a lawyer.🙂 RT @dwilkinsnh: @tigerlily300 Because they get sued & they get fined #lrnchat
09:43:33 pm hjarche: RT @doctorjeff: @urbie And here is my definition of a good teacher: essay on the Art of Teaching: http://bit.ly/Zn0x9 #lrnchat
09:43:33 pm doctorjeff: @gminks see you are talking about a business environment. UR thinking inside a box. If environment is hostile learner will leave. #lrnchat
09:43:35 pm LandDDave: I forget who, but someone said earlier today Formal = "It's time to eat"; Informal = "I'm Hungry". I liked that. #lrnchat
09:43:40 pm Quinnovator: RT @dwilkinsnh: Not sure matters whether mgmt "allows" infrml learning, it's whether choose to optimize and support it… #lrnchat < yes!
09:43:40 pm TriciaRansom: @gminks I've tried…brain just keeps on thinking! #lrnchat
09:43:43 pm everyselearning: RT @sillym0nkey: informal learning: Random acts of training #lrnchat
09:43:43 pm GaryBrannigan: Good lessons leave students thinking and talking after the formal presentation #lrnchat
09:43:45 pm tigerlily300: RT @jwillensky: Q4) Encourage people to play in the same sandbox. Then get out of the way. #lrnchat
09:44:02 pm SuzNet: @SueSchnorr yes, a great new perspective – it's not a mess, but a sign of genius! #lrnchat
09:44:03 pm gminks: q4 don't manage it – facillitate it (show where opps are, how to use it) #lrnchat
09:44:06 pm odguru: Analogy: formal is fossil fuel (big production, intense) informal is solar and wind – all over the place in small subtle bits.#lrnchat
09:44:08 pm sillym0nkey: Q4) shd it be managed? Depends what that means – #lrnchat
09:44:15 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
09:44:15 pm troutqueen: Q4) "unmanaged learning" happens no matter what. Monitoring better answer (in case of misinfo), but manage? Not always necessary #lrnchat
09:44:18 pm marciamarcia: Learning starts & ends w/learner. Journey goes thru envrnmnt & mgmt which makes it longer or shorter #lrnchat RT @dwilkinsnh
09:44:24 pm SuzNet: RT @everyselearning: RT @sillym0nkey: informal learning: Random acts of training #lrnchat
09:44:30 pm LandDDave: Q4) I think Informal Learning should be monitored, so that the process can be managed if usage is inappropriate. #lrnchat
09:44:31 pm gminks: @doctorjeff no was actually talking about k -12, daughter reminded me of biz hostile envs #lrnchat
09:44:31 pm jadekaz: RT @gminks: q4 dont manage it – facillitate it (show where opps are, how to use it) #lrnchat
09:44:36 pm minutebio: Q4) Once the training teams starts to manage it, they start to measure and all dwnhill frm there #lrnchat
09:44:38 pm GaryBrannigan: RT @tigerlily300: RT @jwillensky: Q4) Encourage people to play in the same sandbox. Then get out of the way. #lrnchat
09:44:44 pm doctorjeff: We as a society have bastardized learning, education &teaching. In fact, the problem is that it is the business model of education. #lrnchat
09:44:46 pm Dave_Ferguson: Learners aren't necessariy leaving hostile environments in THIS economy. Zoning out, yes. #lrnchat
09:44:51 pm billcush: Q4) so trying to manage informal learning could send people scurrying. #lrnchat
09:44:52 pm NicoleLazzaro: Pardon all the #Earthday Tilt tweets. Diving into the data on the power of Free. Experiential learning rulz! Will share soon. #lrnchat
09:45:07 pm troutqueen: RT @minutebio: Q4) Once the training teams starts to manage it, they start to measure and all dwnhill frm there <–Exactly! #lrnchat
09:45:46 pm SuzNet: yup! RT @gminks: q4 dont manage it – facilitate it (show where opps are, how to use it) #lrnchat
09:45:55 pm emahlee: I'm personally SUPER excited about #junto being used as a massive global human learning network http://bit.ly/93ydUW #possibilities #lrnchat
09:46:02 pm Quinnovator: Q4) not 'manage' (shudder), but support, facilitate, empower #lrnchat
09:46:22 pm NuttyHamGuy: RT @doctorjeff: We as a society have bastardized learning, education &teaching. In fact, the problem is that it is the business model of education. #lrnchat
09:46:24 pm gminks: Maybe monitoring & facilitating informal could actually serve as a feedback loop for formal #lrnchat
09:46:34 pm Dave_Ferguson: @emahlee Junto? Is Ben Franklin on Twitter? (He would have been) #lrnchat
09:46:35 pm GaryBrannigan: @tigerlily300 I imagine you must have played in a sandbox or 2! #lrnchat
09:46:36 pm TriciaRansom: RT @minutebio: Q4) Once training teams starts 2 manage it, they start 2 measure and all dwnhill frm there <– Hey, I resemble that! #lrnchat
09:46:37 pm doctorjeff: Learning is a gift, a joy, a birthright. It's not about teaching 2test, or earning $, or bottom line. It is biology-human biology. #lrnchat
09:46:50 pm gwoodill: @LandDDave How can u managed informal without surveillance and control ? then it's formal again. #lrnchat
09:46:51 pm Schnicker: Q4) Managing unmanaged learning sounds too controlling. But 'guiding' learners or setting some parameters is useful #lrnchat
09:47:03 pm dwilkinsnh: Q4) I'm not sure "manage" is right, but we may sometimes want 2 structure infrml lrning. Like "assigning" new hires to dept forum. #lrnchat
09:47:08 pm TriciaRansom: Like this idea: RT @gminks: Maybe monitoring & facilitating informal could actually serve as a feedback loop for formal #lrnchat
09:47:20 pm Schnicker: RT @Quinnovator: Q4) not 'manage' (shudder), but support, facilitate, empower #lrnchat
09:47:20 pm marciamarcia: Formal is like fossil fuel big production. Informal is solar & wind, all over the place in small subtle bits. -@odguru #lrnchat
09:47:23 pm LandDDave: I'll put my kid in the sandbox & let her play on her own, but I'm going to oversee and make sure no one throws sand in her face. #lrnchat
09:47:28 pm geloomis: RT @doctorjeff: Learning is a gift, a joy, a birthright. It's not about teaching 2test, or earning $, or bottom line. It is biology-human biology. #lrnchat
09:47:30 pm sillym0nkey: Q4) no need to manage – just let them learn – place lrning activities in strategic locations and they will come #lrnchat
09:47:38 pm Quinnovator: RT @minutebio: Q4) Once training teams starts to manage it, they start to measure and all dwnhill frm there #lrnchat < gotta 'control' it!
09:47:39 pm dwilkinsnh: Love this! RT @gminks: Maybe monitoring & facilitating informal could actually serve as a feedback loop for formal #lrnchat
09:47:39 pm NuttyHamGuy: RT @doctorjeff: Learning is a gift, a joy, a birthright. It's not about teaching 2test, or earning $, or bottom line. It is biology-human biology. #lrnchat
09:47:46 pm enzofsilva: Whether management wants it or not, informal learning will never cease to happen. People are created to learn. #lrnchat @dwilkinsnh
09:47:52 pm amphiboly: @doctorjeff #lrnchat "problem is the business model of education" goals.Don’t wanna be in hotel, pharma, software, medical biz: don’t take job. #lrnchat
09:53:39 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
09:53:42 pm troutqueen: @hjarche We do make it an “us vs them” don’t we? #lrnchat
09:53:50 pm odguru: RT @SueSchnorr: @hjarche Yes, workers=learners! again “we are they” must not dividee ourselves from those we deign to “do to” #lrnchat
09:53:57 pm gwoodill: @Dave_Ferguson But for adults, difference between self-management and being managed. #lrnchat
09:53:59 pm mpetersell: Sadly, I had to miss #lrnchat again this week; looking forward to the transcript.
09:54:02 pm doctorjeff: Hey- there is formal managing and informal managing. There MUST be a 1:1 relationship with formal and informal learning. #lrnchat
09:54:04 pm NuttyHamGuy: RT @doctorjeff: Informal learning is managed through design of the environment. UR herding cats. The learner explores within boundaries u set. #lrnchat
09:54:12 pm Dave_Ferguson: Thus, yes, org (mgmt) chooses, changes direction. Obviously good to listen to people thruout org when doing so, or else: Edsel. #lrnchat
09:54:12 pm julianne_jones: RT @hjarche: Here’s a start: stop calling “them” “learners” – we’re all in this together #lrnchat
09:54:19 pm tigerlily300: @hjarche – Yeah, we’re in the sandbox, too. And we really have to walk the walk. #lrnchat
09:54:19 pm GaryBrannigan: If students fear failure, they will not challenge themselves: further, they may develop a helpless attitude. #lrnchat
09:54:37 pm kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
09:54:38 pm troutqueen: Qwrap) Lisa in Memphis. Instructional designer at large regional bank. Always looking for good learning ideas! #lrnchat
09:54:41 pm doctorjeff: Management of formal learning is very diff than management of informal learning. #lrnchat
09:54:41 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @Dave_Ferguson: “Manage” isn’t a dirty word. Any org needs to plan, prioritize, allocate energy. You do, too. <Well said! #lrnchat
09:54:41 pm gminks: @Dave_Ferguson and dave tells like it is again! #lrnchat
09:54:44 pm Schnicker: Even all the 'unconferences' these days still have organizers & sponsors. It's hard to have all participants no overseers #lrnchat
09:54:53 pm jadekaz: Nix learners, users, students. We're all employees RT @troutqueen: @hjarche We do make it an "us vs them" dont we? #lrnchat
09:54:55 pm troutqueen: RT @GaryBrannigan: If students fear failure, they will not challenge themselves: further, they may develop a helpless attitude. #lrnchat
09:54:59 pm SueSchnorr: Sue Schnorr, ID consultant, blogger of AllLearningMatters.com, informal learning/networking enthrustiast mom to 2 fab kids #lrnchat
09:55:00 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gwoodill No argument re self-mgmt, but if I'm Bill Marriott, eventually I have hotels to run. Don't need many graphic novel writrs #lrnchat
09:55:06 pm jwillensky: Jason Willensky, independent ID, Phoenix, AZ. Thanks for the convo. #lrnchat
09:55:21 pm hjarche: @doctorjeff I think you'd like this vid on how to organize a birthday party http://is.gd/bEhqJ #lrnchat
09:55:33 pm natobasso: @Schnicker All participants, no overseers = Twitter.🙂 #lrnchat
09:55:42 pm GaryBrannigan: Childen will seek a path toward growth if we have faith in them and give them our respect #lrnchat
09:55:55 pm amphiboly: RT @Dave_Ferguson #lrnchat Manage isn't a dirty word.Any org (incldng the WordPress folks) needs to plan, prioritize, allocate energy.<-yes!
09:56:08 pm gminks: Gina outside Boston working for EMC on social media + education. And I graduate next week! W00T!!!!!!!!!!! #lrnchat
09:56:09 pm readtoday: RT @GaryBrannigan: Childen will seek a path toward growth if we have faith in them and give them our respect #lrnchat
09:56:30 pm tigerlily300: Kathy Jeep, instructional designer, Georgia. Thanks everyone! #lrnchat
09:56:34 pm sillym0nkey: RT @hjarche: @doctorjeff I think you'd like this vid on how to organize a birthday party http://is.gd/bEhqJ #lrnchat
09:56:39 pm minutebio: Jeff Goldman – I really enjoyed our informal chat. Next time we really have to manage it. C U next week! #lrnchat
09:56:44 pm GaryBrannigan: If we care for children's emotional growth, their intellectual growth will follow #lrnchat
09:56:46 pm troutqueen: @gminks Congragulations! Good to be done, isn't it? #lrnchat
09:56:47 pm hjarche: @gminks congrats Gina! #lrnchat
09:56:52 pm LandDDave: David Kelly, L&D Director, New York City. Thanks for the great chat! #lrnchat
09:56:52 pm jadekaz: Not always, but don't you automatically cringe? Telling sign. RT @Dave_Ferguson #lrnchat Manage isnt a dirty word. #lrnchat
09:56:57 pm troutqueen: RT @minutebio: Jeff Goldman – I really enjoyed our informal chat. Next time we really have to manage it. C U next week! #lrnchat
09:56:58 pm Schnicker: Thanks for the chats! Nicole Fougere, happy blogger at Litmos LMS (http://www.litmos.com) in New Zealand #lrnchat
09:57:00 pm Dave_Ferguson: Dave Ferguson, whose (private) blog for world's smallest audience (currently 1) is about to hit its fourth year aniv. #lrnchat
09:57:13 pm dwilkinsnh: @gminks Wow. Congrats Gina. #lrnchat
09:57:14 pm billcush: Qwrap) Bill Cushard. Charlotte, NC…love talking about informal learning…and catching brown trout on the Beaverhead R. #lrnchat
09:57:14 pm gminks: @troutqueen YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS🙂 #lrnchat
09:57:16 pm SueSchnorr: @gminks CONGRATS Gina! Quite a feat; working & schooling! #lrnchat
09:57:17 pm urbie: Qwrap.. urbano delgado.. formerly milquetoast social media lurker, lately active participant of #lrnchat; instructional designer in D.C.
09:57:22 pm jwillensky: @gminks Nice! Congratulations! #lrnchat
09:57:25 pm gminks: @hjarche thanks!! #lrnchat
09:57:42 pm TriciaRansom: Tricia in Chicago saying good night! I have lots to think on 2night #lrnchat
09:57:47 pm SuzNet: Suzanne Choma, Informal/Formal Learning & performance consultant; thx for the informal learning opp🙂 #lrnchat
09:57:50 pm Schnicker: True, but someone had to build Twitter and gives us parameters to work within. So there is an organizer as such #lrnchat
09:57:51 pm hjarche: @Dave_Ferguson there at least 2 people who read your blog #lrnchat
09:57:55 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jadekaz It depends. I try to manage my health, my time, my career, and my client's projects. Not necessarily well. #lrnchat
09:58:13 pm JffZllr: Jeff Zoller, Learning Consultant in Columbus OH (Thanks!) #lrnchat
09:58:24 pm minutebio: @gminks: Congrats! Well Done!!! #lrnchat
09:58:37 pm gwoodill: Gary Woodill. Consultant. Author. Grandpa. Canadian. 3 Std Poodles. Other good stuff- http://brandon-hall.com/garywoodill/?p=87 #lrnchat
09:58:45 pm dwilkinsnh: David Wilkins, VP of Prod Marketing at Learn.com, NH — lover of LrnChat and all things social media and learning. #lrnchat
09:58:45 pm Schnicker: @gminks Nice one Gina, very cool! #lrnchat
09:58:54 pm Dave_Ferguson: @hjarche thanks; I meant the one I created for my parents. #lrnchat
09:58:55 pm stickylearning: Only a quick #lrnchat visit today but great as always.
09:58:57 pm SuzNet: @gminks congrats and enjoy your achievement🙂 #lrnchat
09:59:09 pm diginomics: RT @dwilkinsnh David Wilkins, VP of Prod Marketing at Learn.com, NH — lover of LrnChat and all things social media and learning. #lrnchat
09:59:20 pm Quinnovator: Qwrap) time again? Clark Quinn, learning experience design strategist, genial malcontent, consultant, author, speaker. Thanks, all! #lrnchat
09:59:25 pm jadekaz: @Dave_Ferguson Yeah, those things don't sound fun. But playing frisbee does. I'll support you in that🙂 #lrnchat
09:59:34 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Please tell us if you blog about the conversation so we can link to it on http://lrnchat.com
09:59:36 pm billcush: Now make that 3. RT @hjarche: @Dave_Ferguson there at least 2 people who read your blog #lrnchat
09:59:37 pm doctorjeff: The Art of Teaching at Huffington Post: http://bit.ly/havM #lrnchat Ok done:)
09:59:41 pm hjarche: @Dave_Ferguson😀 #lrnchat
10:00:15 pm tigerlily300: @gminks Congrats! #lrnchat
10:00:40 pm TriciaRansom: Ok, I'm done with #lrnchat until next week…thanks to all my non L&D tweeps for their patience! You're always welcome to join each Thurs
10:00:41 pm jadekaz: Jade Kazmierski, happily tired, cranky student, sneaking out of class for #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:00:42 pm doctorjeff: @gminks yes or a hostile physical environment. #lrnchat
10:00:44 pm kellygarber: <— freelance instructional designer, call me to fill the gaps or take the entire project. Thanks all, great chat! #lrnchat
10:00:45 pm bringingupboys: RT @GaryBrannigan: Children need to experience failure and not fear it…but see it as a step in the process of succeeding #lrnchat
10:00:49 pm GaryBrannigan: Good nite & thanks to everyone! #lrnchat
10:01:13 pm hjarche: I'm Harold, from the Atlantic Time Zone – getting late here – thx for the conversation #lrnchat

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