Transcript for 22-April 2010 (early)

04:30:55 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
04:31:50 pm sifowler: @lrnchat Hello! I’ve been fine and dandy, thanks! You? #lrnchat
04:31:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: It’s been a busy couple of weeks. I missed you, #lrnchat
04:32:51 pm lrnchat: 2) Try to stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
04:32:54 pm odguru: Busy indeed – but marked by good things. #lrnchat
04:33:36 pm LandDDave: Greetings @lrnchat! #lrnchat
04:33:52 pm lrnchat: 3) Writing complete thoughts help followers outside #lrnchat learn from you.
04:34:19 pm mrch0mp3rs: Is it quiet in here? #lrnchat
04:34:49 pm lrnchat: 4) Remember to include #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well
04:34:55 pm LandDDave: I was just thinking the same thing. RT @mrch0mp3rs: Is it quiet in here? #lrnchat
04:35:08 pm odguru: Um… ya. It is.
#lrnchat
04:35:37 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
04:35:39 pm srleosalazar: Hello lrnchatters!! Leo Salazar, Amsterdam, Effective Intercultural Business http://bit.ly/cPAQh5 #lrnchat
04:35:39 pm bbetts: i’m here, but trying to fill out a life-sapping tender at the same time! #lrnchat
04:35:39 pm dbolen: howdy from ATL, little late today #lrnchat
04:35:57 pm srleosalazar: @mrch0mp3rs maybe you can tell us about your iPod while we’re waiting😉 #lrnchat
04:36:10 pm LandDDave: Maybe people mistakenly thiught that this session was going to be SO informal that logging in wasn’t required… #lrnchat
04:36:28 pm sifowler: @mrch0mp3rs yes, weirdness, has Europe fallen through a space/time vortex perhaps? It runs through Cardiff I believe. #lrnchat
04:36:39 pm mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, putting the unity in Community Manager for ADL. Assisted by a magical and revolutionary device: coffee. #lrnchat
04:36:42 pm lrnchat: 6) On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really.
04:36:53 pm langholloman: CSC, SCORM, Pensacola, and its Thursday! #lrnchat
04:36:55 pm srleosalazar: RT @srleosalazar: @mrch0mp3rs maybe you can tell us about your iPod while were waiting ;-)<<- oops, I meant "iPAD" :-p #lrnchat
04:37:11 pm mrch0mp3rs: @srleosalazar Did you see my blog post on what apps I'm using on the iPad? #lrnchat
04:37:45 pm srleosalazar: @mrch0mp3rs YES!!! I've been following your every move /sinister #lrnchat
04:37:47 pm lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too #lrnchat
04:37:52 pm langholloman: my iPod has been sitting unplugged for probably a year #lrnchat @mrch0mp3rs
04:38:04 pm sifowler: Simon Fowler, R&D at Forum Corp, living in Boston MA but I'm everso English, father two girls, I luff people & technology #lrnchat
04:38:09 pm dmozealous: Hi #lrnchat, my name is Dave Mozealous and I am a QA Manager at Articulate/Screenr. I live in the cloud.
04:38:44 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about & so they can chime in too.
04:38:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: @dmozealous Like the Hawkmen? #lrnchat
04:38:59 pm sifowler: And I may need to leave early because my daughter is in the office for Take Our Daughters And Sons to Work day. #lrnchat
04:39:02 pm dbolen: Don Bolen, PM and learning strategist, reminds me, I need to charge the iPod #lrnchat
04:39:21 pm odguru: RT @LandDDave: this session was going to be SO informal that logging in wasnt required… Yes p'haps they are simply reflecting #lrnchat
04:39:22 pm mrch0mp3rs: Heh, @lrnchat is all out of order today. #lrnchat
04:39:25 pm bbetts: Ben Betts, plugging nothing but his own wares, whilst trying not to scratch out own eyes with tender application. Oxford, UK #lrnchat
04:39:38 pm Rsuominen: Riitta Suominen, today participating from ITE conference. http://www.hameenkesayliopisto.fi/itk/english/ #lrnchat
04:39:54 pm lrnchat: Q0) (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
04:40:22 pm cynan_sez: @lrnchat Hi #lrnchat. Cynan. Oxfam GB. Strategist, complainer, synchronous designer & deliverator
04:40:24 pm dmozealous: @mrch0mp3rs exactly like the Hawkmen. #lrnchat
04:40:29 pm dbolen: RT @odguru: RT @LandDDave: this session was going to be SO informal that logging in wasnt required… looking for the handouts? #lrnchat
04:40:36 pm bschlenker: Qintro) Brent Schlenker – Phx,AZ – elearndev.blogspot.com – eLearningGuild.com – mLearncon, DevLearn #lrnchat
04:40:54 pm odguru: Christy Pettit – Guelph Canada moving further into social learning with ODScore and all things collaborative. #lrnchat
04:41:14 pm mrch0mp3rs: I'm learning all about Google Sites today. Also? Pouring through Twitter API and Metadata documentation as I can find it. #lrnchat
04:41:15 pm srleosalazar: Q0) patience is indeed a virtue. The business is really starting to roll in! #lrnchat
04:41:28 pm cynan_sez: @lrnchat #lrnchat …and near neighbour to @bbettts (who's just up the road…)
04:41:44 pm c4lpt: #lrnchat Sorry I can't be with you today, still recovering fm a migraine. Harold Jarche's posting is relevant for topic http://bit.ly/bRHOtt
04:41:50 pm bbetts: Today I've learnt how higher ed text book publishes are going to hit back at their shrinking marketplace – and its a doozy. #lrnchat
04:41:52 pm lynnwernham: @bbetts curatr #Lrnchat
04:42:03 pm millennial_ID: QIntro) <— Christina, Orange County, CA #lrnchat
04:42:04 pm mrch0mp3rs: @dmozealous Gordon's ALIVE!!!!!!! #lrnchat
04:42:21 pm odguru: RT @srleosalazar: Q0) patience is indeed a virtue. The business is really starting to roll in! << That's great! Picked up here, 2. #lrnchat
04:42:24 pm JudithELS: Apols to all at #lrnchat but I'll have to miss today's event as I'm having a frustrating day trying to sort out clients changing their minds
04:42:29 pm scottmerrett: Scott Merrett, eLearning guy, Waterloo CAN #lrnchat
04:42:40 pm odguru: @bbetts say more? #lrnchat
04:42:56 pm bbetts: RT @lynnwernham: @bbetts #curatr #Lrnchat <–its not plugging if its a RT, right🙂
04:43:18 pm LandDDave: Qintro) David Kelly, New York City #lrnchat
04:43:39 pm CanadianPacMan: Qintro) Phil Cowcill – North Bay;ON Canada #lrnchat
04:43:45 pm mrch0mp3rs: Apologies to all, but the next 90 minutes are going to be heavy tweeting on my part for #lrnchat. You may want to turn off your notification
04:44:05 pm gabeanderson: Greetings – Gabe Anderson from Saratoga Springs, NY. Director of Customer Advocacy for Articulate. My 1st #lrnchat.
04:44:49 pm buschtk: @lrnchat 1st time in #lrnchat (Tina – with PBI) great mlearning example @ http://re-architect.org/
04:44:52 pm mrch0mp3rs: @gabeanderson Welcome. We love fresh meat… I mean, um, first-timers🙂 #lrnchat
04:45:23 pm mrch0mp3rs: @buschtk Welcome, Tina! #lrnchat
04:45:28 pm bbetts: @odguru we're asking for beta testers to signup for our latest piece of e-learning software, #curatr – http://bit.ly/cg7QEc – #lrnchat
04:45:37 pm pharmakon: articulate people are invading! oh noes! #lrnchat
04:45:51 pm odguru: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @gabeanderson Welcome. We love fresh meat… LOL… & just FYI usu more drinking at the PM session (I think) #lrnchat
04:45:52 pm usablelearning: @lrnchat Julie Dirksen, Minneapolis – lurking in a on early #lrnchat today
04:45:55 pm cynan_sez: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q0) Learned today: have new job 1-Jun; 6mo internal reassignment to spend more time on elrning devt/implementn. woooo
04:46:11 pm LandDDave: @buschtk Welcome to the group! #lrnchat
04:46:35 pm rosamariatorres: #lrnchat Can`t join today. I am presenting at a seminar in Rio on teacher unions and #education reform in Latin America http://bit.ly/cfSCsz
04:46:46 pm TriciaRansom: Tricia Ransom lurking getting preview for tonight #Lrnchat
04:47:09 pm gabeanderson: @mrch0mp3rs heh heh. Thanks. Personally, I prefer fresh veggies.🙂 #lrnchat
04:47:27 pm odguru: @cynan_sez Congrats – sounds juicy. #lrnchat
04:47:29 pm lrnchat: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
04:47:31 pm pharmakon: q0) James Kocher, Florida, lurker #lrnchat
04:47:53 pm gabeanderson: That's right, you can't shake us! | RT @pharmakon: articulate people are invading! oh noes! #lrnchat
04:48:00 pm CanadianPacMan: @rosamariatorres Good luck with your presentation #lrnchat
04:48:13 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
04:48:26 pm dbolen: @buschtk welcome to the chat #lrnchat
04:48:32 pm odguru: @bbetts looks very interesting. And more ab the textbooks, too? #lrnchat
04:48:40 pm TriciaRansom: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #Lrnchat
04:48:53 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
04:49:13 pm hybridkris: @mrch0mp3rs Must be the volcano. #lrnchat
04:49:26 pm bschlenker: Q1) Hey @jaycross ! Are you lurking during this conversation?🙂 #lrnchat
04:49:32 pm lynnwernham: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
04:49:38 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q1) Formal learning? Planned, with explicated goals. Informal learning? Meh… not so much. #lrnchat
04:49:41 pm millennial_ID: Q1) Formal learning is most often pushed; Informal learning is most often pulled, or occurs spontaneously #lrnchat
04:49:42 pm pharmakon: Q1) informal learning would occur outside of a structured environment, ie. classroom, online course, etc
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04:50:05 pm gabeanderson: Q1) Formal = classroom, textbooks, instructor, elearning – sitting down w/objective to learn. Informal = unintentional learning. #lrnchat
04:50:09 pm CanadianPacMan: Q1) Informal is more of the "Caught" in the "more is caught than taught". #lrnchat
04:50:09 pm scottmerrett: Q1) The hard line imho is Formal = being taught 'at', Informal = learning with #lrnchat. reality is all learning has some of both probably.
04:50:11 pm srleosalazar: Q0) also, had a Twitterview this week w/Cindy King. I RAVED about #lrnchat. You can read here: http://bit.ly/aaV42b /shamelessplug #lrnchat
04:50:15 pm sifowler: And Q1.5, why does it matter? RT @lrnchat: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
04:50:21 pm TriciaRansom: RT @millennial_ID: Q1) Formal learning is most often pushed; Informal learning is most often pulled, or occurs spontaneously #Lrnchat
04:50:38 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) Assessment, volition, control, struc ture, intention, expected outcomes for starters…#lrnchat
04:50:40 pm bschlenker: Q1) I think the PERCEPTION is that formal = classroom and informal = everything else #lrnchat
04:51:07 pm pharmakon: informal learning can take place w/in formal.. though probably not vice versa #lrnchat
04:51:11 pm jseevers: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? // A tuxedo? Sorry couldn't resist… #lrnchat
04:51:12 pm lynnwernham: Can blend formal and informal learning #lrnchat
04:51:41 pm gabeanderson: Good point | RT @sifowler: Q1.5, why does it matter? RT @lrnchat: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
04:52:00 pm TriciaRansom: On #lrnchat 4 next 60-90 minutes… May want 2 mute me for a bit #Lrnchat
04:52:03 pm odguru: @sifowler dang – you're right to it this am. May come down to what ppl pay for. I.e. formal is easy to see, tangible – at today. #lrnchat
04:52:04 pm LandDDave: Q1) While not absolute, Formal = learner is aware they are learning; INFORMAL = learning takes place without learner realizing it #lrnchat
04:52:12 pm sifowler: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q1) Formal learning? Planned, with explicated goals. Informal learning? Meh… not so much. #lrnchat
04:52:15 pm CanadianPacMan: @bschlenker Agree that perception thinks of classroom as formal but I don't think it is accurate. #lrnchat
04:52:43 pm TriciaRansom: RT @sifowler: And Q1.5, why does it matter? RT @lrnchat: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #Lrnchat
04:53:02 pm janwebb21: @scottmerrett #lrnchat informal learning often self initiated and self propogating, with impact due to personalisation + poss better motivat
04:53:05 pm LandDDave: RT @CanadianPacMan: @bschlenker Agree that perception thinks of classroom as formal but I dont think it is accurate. #lrnchat
04:53:22 pm srleosalazar: RT @LandDDave: Q1) Formal = learner is aware they're learning; INFORMAL = learning takes place w/o learner realizing it << Nice!! #lrnchat
04:53:27 pm odguru: @bbetts re; the text books – you authoring or observing this move? #lrnchat
04:53:35 pm cynan_sez: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q1) formal = usually some1 else's predefined objectives. informal = learner's own minute-by-minute just-in-time objectives
04:53:36 pm sifowler: Q0) shouldn't we cut to the chase & just talk about power & control? they're more instructive than formal/informal which r 'modes' #lrnchat
04:53:41 pm pharmakon: it would be beneficial to look at the root of the word "formal" which is "form", or structure. #lrnchat
04:53:49 pm LearnNuggets: Just watching. On a plane in Charlotte & stewardess warden will make me turn off shortly. Plan on attending tonight, tho #lrnchat
04:53:58 pm vahva: hi, joining in #lrnchat late! What are we talking about?!
04:54:18 pm pharmakon: now, defining what that form or structure IS is another story🙂 #lrnchat
04:54:38 pm TriciaRansom: Q1) informal often short like a couple of minutes, targeted on very specific thing. #Lrnchat
04:54:41 pm bbetts: RT @cynan_sez: #lrnchat Q1) formal = usually some1 else's predefined obj. informal = learner's own minute-by-minute just-in-time objectives
04:54:48 pm bschlenker: @canadianpacman I don't think its accurate either, but I think its the easy answer for many people #lrnchat
04:55:13 pm LearnNuggets: Spot on! RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q1) Formal learning? Planned, with explicated goals. Informal learning? Meh… not so much. #lrnchat
04:55:18 pm LandDDave: I think the 'form' is based on learner perspective RT @pharmakon: now, defining what that form or structure IS is another story🙂 #lrnchat
04:55:23 pm odguru: @sifowler OK so formal is hierarchical (even if altruistic) Platonic truth; Informal is self-dir/networked, user in control. Agree? #lrnchat
04:55:34 pm sifowler: v good, it's not necessarily about 'power' RT @LandDDave: Q1)Formal=learner aware they are learning; INFORMAL=w/o learner realizing #lrnchat
04:55:34 pm dbolen: Q1 I formal perhaps is "measured" by training dept as butts in seats #lrnchat
04:55:37 pm CanadianPacMan: @sifowler Good point about control. Some people have a hard time letting go. This is another good topic to discuss. #lrnchat
04:55:47 pm Mary_a_Myers: i am joining late too…it's all about informal learning RT @vahva: hi, joining in #lrnchat late! What are we talking about?! #lrnchat
04:55:49 pm srleosalazar: Q1) I like the push/pull concept: informal learning = pull = what the learner himself defines as learning objective. #lrnchat
04:56:01 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @bschlenker: @canadianpacman I don't think its accurate either, but I think its the easy answer for many people #lrnchat <- 100% agree
04:56:08 pm buschtk: tacit vs. explict – wiki says Informal learning is semi-structured-occurs in mult. places – today is infrml even "semi" strctrd?

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04:56:12 pm bschlenker: @triciaransom If designers purposefully create short learning experiences…is it still informal? #lrnchat
04:56:34 pm aprillmillet: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What distinguishes formal learning from informal learning? #lrnchat
04:56:43 pm kelticray: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Heh, @lrnchat is all out of order today. #lrnchat | I often feel this way myself.
04:56:48 pm lynnwernham: RT @lynnwernham: Informal learning choice, flexibilty, pull #lrnchat
04:56:51 pm bfchirpy: Formal learning deals in 'teachable equivalents', is more push than pull, is more likely to be 'programmed' #lrnchat
04:57:12 pm mrch0mp3rs: Is informal learning inherently more personal than formal learning? Is informal learning a time-bound activity? #lrnchat
04:57:13 pm torriedunlap: Hi #lrnchat I'm late, but I am here!
04:57:41 pm LandDDave: People often say informal can not be structured. I think you can structure envirmonments so informal learning can take place. #lrnchat
04:57:48 pm jigsawlearning: I think there's an issue around conscious and unconscious learning. Informal can "just happen" without the learner realising. #lrnchat
04:57:56 pm millennial_ID: f/a colleague w/out twitter: informal is more eff. since ppl tend 2 absorb more when they are pulling info rather than being fed #lrnchat
04:58:05 pm odguru: @bbetts Looks like a good prospective use for your tool, also #lrnchat
04:58:14 pm odguru: I'm interested that informal seems vogue, formal feeling a little dinosaur, tho we'd agree we need both the midwife & the dr… #lrnchat
04:58:15 pm CanadianPacMan: How much weight is put on informal learning from the evaluator's perspective? #lrnchat
04:58:20 pm TriciaRansom: @bschlenker in a sense yes. I think Microsofts help via the little icon can b informal #Lrnchat
04:58:23 pm LearnNuggets: Q1) Formal = stewardess telling me where exits are & and how to put on oxygen mask. Informal = me reading the info-graphic card. #lrnchat
04:58:28 pm kelticray: #lrnchat Q0) Donna Bailey Utah, Elearning
04:58:32 pm buschtk: i think we're moving towards the only structure in infrml is the tool used – the experience though may be completely unstrctrd #lrnchat
04:58:54 pm jigsawlearning: @bschlenker I would say, yes it can be. it depends on the learner's perspective rather than the designer's #lrnchat
04:58:58 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) Not sure that meta-awareness of learning process is criteria for formal or informal. Conscious & unconscious happen in both #lrnchat
04:58:59 pm LandDDave: That's a barrier for IL… RT @CanadianPacMan: How much weight is put on informal learning from the evaluators perspective? #lrnchat
04:59:07 pm odguru: @sifowler the way we think abut formal is some one running it, tho… immediate power implications. #lrnchat
04:59:10 pm cmbimages: @LandDDave #lrnchat is formal learning a way of just saying 'Training' Structure, task focused and measured. Learning is an experience.
04:59:13 pm kelticray: #lrnchat Q1)Informal is less structured, possibly more spontaneous??
04:59:50 pm usablelearning: @LearnNuggets basically push / pull? #lrnchat
04:59:52 pm Mary_a_Myers: the "what" is so relative and everchanging. the "how" is the same. I'm talking how we define the parameters of informal learning. #lrnchat
04:59:53 pm odguru: @LearnNuggets …as turbulance hits and you get that oh sh*t I'm in a flying tube feeling. #lrnchat
04:59:57 pm vahva: Q1 I think often what characterises informal learning is that you're not aware that you are learning #lrnchat
05:00:05 pm gabeanderson: @bschlenker @TriciaRansom or is the help icon in software formal, and doing a Google search for answer informal? #lrnchat
05:00:12 pm mrch0mp3rs: @kelticray Is it less structured? Or less constrained? I'd argue there's a lot of structure, architecturally, to a meme like #lrnchat
05:00:45 pm srleosalazar: RT @LearnNuggets: Q1) Formal = stewardess / Informal = you grappling the O2 mask, watching how others do it while plane is in dive. #lrnchat
05:00:51 pm cynan_sez: @lrnchat #lrnchat so is dsgning a 3 minute guide-vid + putting on intranet for learners who search for help on , formal or informal?
05:00:55 pm Mary_a_Myers: it’s really about what tools/assets/action get me to my goal; my end performance. usually it rarely ends. #lrnchat
05:01:00 pm dmozealous: Doh, have to drop out of #lrnchat, meetings….
05:01:06 pm TriciaRansom: @gabeanderson @bschlenker…gray areas? #Lrnchat
05:01:15 pm buschtk: if it’s lrnr driven, it’s informal – airplane example says it all
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05:01:45 pm vahva: Q1 no one said formal learning can’t be practical & hands on though! #lrnchat
05:01:50 pm lynnwernham: RT @lynnwernham: @odguru perhaps the 2 can be blended. formal wrapped with informal? #lrnchat
05:02:41 pm scottmerrett: @Mary_a_Myers or is it about How i get to the tools/assets/action to get to my goal? Pull/Push again. #lrnchat
05:02:54 pm bschlenker: @gabeanderson Don’t we already refer to the Help icon and info within as performance support and not eLearning? #lrnchat
05:03:06 pm odguru: @mrch0mp3rs So is it about HOW lrng is done? Why it is done? Who starts it? Can we agree not nec about tools used? Or is it? #lrnchat
05:03:22 pm petersonandrew: Q1) informal learning is the natural process a 2 year old uses to learn that toads taste bad. #lrnchat
05:03:33 pm sifowler: @odguru if experience resides in another & I need/want it, then power relationship is set up whether I learn formally or informally #lrnchat
05:03:34 pm Mary_a_Myers: i often think some day this podcast/site/convo etc will help someone do x…so i put it in a place for easy retrieval. pushme/pullu #lrnchat
05:03:44 pm odguru: @lynnwernham yes – this is a position @jaycross has put out – you can wrap formal with informal opps. #lrnchat
05:03:49 pm dwilkinsnh: @cynan_sez I’d say yuor design process was formal, but learner’s ad hoc and self-directed access makes their use informal #lrnchat
05:03:50 pm LandDDave: To me, Informal has almost a ‘sneaky’ aspect. “Can I get them to learn on their own without them realizing it?” #lrnchat
05:03:55 pm dmozealous: Q1) Formal = extrinsic motivation vs informal = intrinsic motivation to learn. #lrnchat
05:03:57 pm scottmerrett: If my manager tells me to go to URL XYZ to learn from the assets on that site in whatever way I want is it Formal or Informal? #lrnchat
05:04:00 pm buschtk: if it’s informal, u often don’t know ur learng – it just happens, so the 3 min help module, I think is JIT frml #lrnchat
05:04:01 pm odguru: @sifowler oooo good point. #lrnchat
05:04:23 pm dwilkinsnh: Informal is not about the formality of the learning or training asset, but about how the user comes to it IMHO #lrnchat
05:05:13 pm srleosalazar: RT @scottmerrett: If my manager tells me to go to URL XYZ to learn = formal. The motivation isn’t you, it’s your manager. #lrnchat
05:05:25 pm elearningart: @learnnuggets or informal as you climb over people on your way to the exit as the plane goes down. lol #lrnchat
05:05:27 pm johnoflaherty: #lrnchat What about Formal = fixed pre-defined objective whereas Informal = Evolving learning objectives as learning takes place.
05:05:38 pm mrch0mp3rs: @odguru Well, I have a notion that we’re saying the word “formal” but we’re subsituting “managed.” They may not be the same thing. #lrnchat
05:05:42 pm odguru: @dwilkinsnh @sifowler so the power equation is – informal – I chose (what how when) formal, I don’t chose (all of )what how when #lrnchat
05:05:42 pm sifowler: Maybe I lack a context of bitterness or resentment about ‘formal learning’? I’m always learning, ‘formal’ is sometimes just easier. #lrnchat
05:05:42 pm Mary_a_Myers: @scottmerrett: i would like to providean enviro for choice. “assets” can be used as formal or informal given the situation. #lrnchat
05:05:58 pm bschlenker: @odguru Power Relationship! I like that! Definitely a topic to followup on #lrnchat
05:06:13 pm lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
05:06:22 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @dwilkinsnh: Informal is not about the formality of the learning or train asset, but about how the user comes to it IMHO all the same outcome: Performance. Silos = bad. #lrnchat
05:06:48 pm buschtk: provide the infrastructure to access infrml options, e.g., social media
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05:06:49 pm mrch0mp3rs: And like that, @lrnchat with Q2 — What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
05:06:51 pm StephanieDaul: just jumped on during lunch #lrnchat
05:07:00 pm gabeanderson: @bschlenker sure, but why isn’t the help icon content just informal elearning? Need it be tracked via an LMS to be elearning? #lrnchat
05:07:04 pm odguru: @bschlenker indeed very interesting – credit for the intro of goes to @sifowler #lrnchat
05:07:05 pm dwilkinsnh: @odguru I think so. #lrnchat
05:07:11 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
05:07:29 pm srleosalazar: Q2) to quote @johnoflaherty, be open to evolving learning objectives. #lrnchat
05:07:32 pm mrch0mp3rs: @gabeanderson Need it be elearning? #lrnchat
05:07:40 pm vahva: Q2 I think it’s about encouraging people to support each other – we mostly learn things by having a friend show us, esp online! #lrnchat
05:07:47 pm srleosalazar: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
05:07:53 pm mrch0mp3rs: @gabeanderson MOreover, need elearning always be formal? #lrnchat
05:08:02 pm scottmerrett: Interesting. So if I find a Uni course I’m interested in and opt to take that myself that’s Informal? Is that consensus? #lrnchat
05:08:07 pm StephanieDaul: Q2 allow learners to participate in informal learning spaces #lrnchat
05:08:13 pm millennial_ID: Q2) supply tools to use for sharing informally, ie. wikipedia, google, twitter, or explain/teach how to use #lrnchat
05:08:16 pm johnoflaherty: Looking for quantitative data that shows the Business Impact of Social Technology (productivity, innovation, collaboration) Help me #lrnchat
05:08:18 pm sifowler: RT @mrch0mp3rs @odguru Well, I have a notion that were saying word “formal” but were substituting “managed” may not be same thing. #lrnchat
05:08:28 pm Mary_a_Myers: q2) talk to each other; share ideas; offer guidance; ask for guidance
#lrnchat
05:08:31 pm gabeanderson: @mrch0mp3rs define elearning.🙂 #lrnchat
05:08:32 pm petersonandrew: Q2) inspire curiosity and get out of the way #lrnchat
05:09:05 pm mrch0mp3rs: @gabeanderson nuh-uh — you define it😛 #lrnchat
05:09:08 pm dwilkinsnh: @gabeanderson Thus the problem w/ false distinctions. Help is “explanation & demo” after which we apply, which results in learning #lrnchat
05:09:10 pm buschtk: what does eLearning really mena now w/ newer technology? Is it simply learning via computer or taking an ADDIE created WBT? #lrnchat
05:09:12 pm pharmakon: Q2) Webquests or other modes of self-discovery within the classroom (thinking k-12 here) #lrnchat
05:09:15 pm gabeanderson: Not at all. That was my point. | RT @mrch0mp3rs: @gabeanderson MOreover, need elearning always be formal? #lrnchat
05:09:16 pm lynnwernham: RT @lynnwernham: @lrnchat provide an environment Q2 #lrnchat
05:09:17 pm bschlenker: @odguru @sifowler I like the idea of power relationships – lets talk more about that some time #lrnchat
05:09:34 pm torriedunlap: Q2) create and encourage a learning organization- where learning is rewarded. #lrnchat
05:09:34 pm Mary_a_Myers: @scottmerrett dilemma. #lrnchat
05:09:47 pm pharmakon: @petersonandrew kinda like lighting a stick of dynamite! #lrnchat
05:09:48 pm LandDDave: Q2) structure an environment that supports IL, including Social Media apps. #lrnchat
05:09:49 pm odguru: formal provides an opportunity to inspire.some ppl are avid and out there finding inf opps, some need help…http://alturl.com/i5zz #lrnchat
05:09:51 pm sifowler: @bschlenker would love to #lrnchat
05:10:02 pm johnoflaherty: Formal = Some L&D expert provides the ‘only solution’ whereas Informal = Each learner finds their own solution #lrnchat
05:10:08 pm scottmerrett: Q2 The best formal learning teaches learners how to teach themselves through Informal #lrnchat
05:10:09 pm buschtk: create a learning culture
#lrnchat
05:10:39 pm StephanieDaul: Q2 give the learner feedback and help based on their activities #lrnchat
05:10:43 pm mrch0mp3rs: I’d argue that the differences between a video podcast and many elearning courses are the click of a next button. But one is formal #lrnchat
05:10:47 pm gabeanderson: @mrch0mp3rs Formal elearning = SCO, delivered & tracked via LMS. Informal elearning = any learning you do online. #lrnchat
05:10:52 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @buschtk: create a learning culture #lrnchat
05:10:54 pm sifowler: dang! … father-worker conflict … father wins … daughter wants for lunch, must away from this chat … thanks folks #lrnchat
05:10:57 pm odguru: RT @bschlenker: @odguru @sifowler Would make a gr8 lrnchat topci (you vill learn!!) #lrnchat
05:11:01 pm millennial_ID: RT @petersonandrew: Q2) inspire curiosity and get out of the way #lrnchat
05:11:10 pm dwilkinsnh: @johnoflaherty I maintain a list on my blog: http://bit.ly/949sTg ; Rachel Happe does too: http://bit.ly/jEd24 #lrnchat
05:11:13 pm vahva: Q2 I’m running ‘formal’ sessions on how to use social media and then once they’ve seen what they can do I leave them to it! #lrnchat
05:11:13 pm petersonandrew: @mrch0mp3rs elearning, Sesame Street has a whole episode on learning E. #lrnchat
05:11:19 pm odguru: @sifowler Enjoy! #lrnchat
05:11:23 pm bschlenker: @gabeanderson I don’t have the answer which is why I’m asking questions😉 I think it all gets down to semantics and perception
#lrnchat
05:11:34 pm hjames: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
05:11:40 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @petersonandrew: @mrch0mp3rs elearning, Sesame Street has a whole episode on learning E. #lrnchat
05:11:46 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @scottmerrett: Q2 The best formal learning teaches learners how to teach themselves through Informal #lrnchat <- 100% Agree
05:11:53 pm bschlenker: @sifowler BE THE DAD! You're a good man! #lrnchat
05:12:15 pm srleosalazar: RT @LandDDave: Q2) structure an environment that supports IL, including Social Media apps.< RT @petersonandrew: elearning, Sesame Street has a whole episode on learning E. #lrnchat
05:12:50 pm gabeanderson: @dwilkinsnh well said – learning is a process & the result. Help & elearning = content. #lrnchat
05:12:56 pm hjames: Q2 – informal learning requires self-direction. to develop it we need to spark intrinsic motivation. how? i’d like to know too. #lrnchat
05:12:58 pm jenisecook: Q0) Jenise Cook, indpndt owner elearning design/dev… late to the chat. USA, Left Coast. #lrnchat
05:13:18 pm petersonandrew: @sifowler Informal learning, I’m hungry, Formal learning, It’s lunch time #lrnchat
05:13:35 pm bschlenker: RT @mrch0mp3rs: FTW > RT @petersonandrew: elearning, Sesame Street has a whole episode on learning E. #lrnchat
05:13:56 pm vahva: Absolutely, must offer support after too! RT @lynnwernham: @vahva Q2 #lrnchat me do but found that support is needed
05:14:03 pm millennial_ID: Q2) a lot of people have the curiosity to learn on their own, just don’t know how. they don’t know what resources are available. #lrnchat
05:14:13 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @hjames: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat <- facilitate an environment for discovery
05:14:16 pm odguru: @janwebb21 yes definite need for both, and both even for the same learners #lrnchat
05:14:29 pm vahva: I like this: RT @petersonandrew: @sifowler Informal learning, I'm hungry, Formal learning, It's lunch time #lrnchat
05:14:31 pm usablelearning: @lrnchat Tend to think it's about creating affiliation spaces for informal to occur w lots of tools / toys / artifacts #lrnchat
05:14:53 pm gabeanderson: Q2) Encourage IT depts to remove barriers to informal learning (e.g., don't block Twitter, Facebook, Screenr, Ning, etc.). #lrnchat
05:15:01 pm chrisstjohn: @mrch0mp3rs but so many video podcasts are spur of the moment… No learning objectives. Just good information… #lrnchat
05:15:24 pm janwebb21: @odguru yup! somedays we need handholding, somedays someone to shove us off the edge of the cliff so we learn to fly #lrnchat
05:15:33 pm mrch0mp3rs: Is informal learning akin to Google's 20% of employee's time being self-directed? #lrnchat
05:15:37 pm StephanieDaul: @buschtk What can of things can you do to create that culture?
#lrnchat
05:15:40 pm jenisecook: @gabeanderson Q2) what about firewalls needed to protect customer confidential info? #lrnchat
05:15:52 pm scottmerrett: Q2 Teach creators of Formal learning value of not "owning" learning path – the value in leading learners out of the learning path #lrnchat
05:16:00 pm gabeanderson: @wendiewhelan yes, I think assigned & tracked elearning is what makes it formal. Why put elearning in an LMS if it's not tracked? #lrnchat
05:16:06 pm StephanieDaul: Does informal learning need objective? #lrnchat
05:16:13 pm CanadianPacMan: IT – the preventers of information #lrnchat
05:16:13 pm lynnwernham: RT @vahva: I like this: RT @petersonandrew: @sifowler Informal learning, I'm hungry, Formal learning, It's lunch time #lrnchat
05:16:25 pm mrch0mp3rs: @chrisstjohn Even good information has a point to it, and when people absorb it, there's a goal inherent in viewing it, I think. #lrnchat
05:16:32 pm odguru: @janwebb21 and re: inf I see that some people just need to see a model and a push… like so how can I find this stuff out? #lrnchat
05:16:39 pm edupros: informal would have the leaner setting the objective – outside learning path. @scottmerrett – yes – value is to lead off the path #lrnchat
05:16:46 pm dwilkinsnh: Q2) Set up environments where learners can self-direct; plan for self-direction in otherwise "formal" curriculum #lrnchat
05:16:55 pm vahva: @gabeanderson too right but also need to spell out benefits of social media for work and learning to get those sites unblocked! #lrnchat
05:17:01 pm hjames: RT @vahva: I like this: RT @petersonandrew: @sifowler Informal learning, I'm hungry, Formal learning, It's lunch time #lrnchat
05:17:12 pm LandDDave: Excellent! RT @lynnwernham: @vahva @petersonandrew: @sifowler Informal learning, Im hungry, Formal learning, Its lunch time #lrnchat
05:17:26 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q2) Set up environments where learners can self-direct; plan for self-direction in otherwise "formal" curriculum #lrnchat
05:17:29 pm StephanieDaul: Wow Learner determining what the need! #lrnchat
05:17:29 pm gabeanderson: @jenisecook you can still have a firewall & protect sensitive data w/out blocking social networking / learning opps. #lrnchat
05:17:41 pm janwebb21: @odguru so the formal stuff we need to do is to build a bank of skills re problem solving, using tools etc so they can go find out #lrnchat
05:17:50 pm mrch0mp3rs: Is informal truly accidental? Or is it a label we put on fuzzy logic connecting people with information they seek beyond tracking? #lrnchat
05:17:51 pm jenisecook: Q2) Tie informal learning outcomes/results to employee's performance review, linked to business goals/resuts. #lrnchat
05:18:30 pm vahva: Got to go I'm afraid, tweet again soon! #lrnchat
05:18:30 pm jonll: @jenisecook 2diff things, co's like websense can block urls such as twitter, fb, etc – so doesn't affect security of your biz #lrnchat
05:18:39 pm jenisecook: @gabeanderson My former corp wdn't allow that. Stuck to MS SharePoint for internal "blogs" "wikis", etc. Twitter? Never. LOL #lrnchat
05:18:40 pm janwebb21: RT @Mary_a_Myers: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q2) Set up environments where learners can self-direct; plan for self-direction in otherwise "formal" curriculum #lrnchat
05:18:52 pm LandDDave: @mrch0mp3rs I don't think there's anything accidental about informal learning. #lrnchat
05:18:58 pm srleosalazar: RT @jenisecook: Q2) Tie informal learning outcome to employees performance review, linked to results.<<but doesn't this formalize? #lrnchat
05:19:15 pm StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat
05:19:17 pm dwilkinsnh: Q2) Allow learners to direct priorities & intiatives based on collective need; mine informally developed expertise for formal #lrnchat
05:19:28 pm rovybranon: eLearning and Digital Media sp. issue: Game Design Literacy Practices http://bit.ly/dbfcva #lrnchat
05:19:31 pm CanadianPacMan: Informal can be accidental but not always. I go hunting for information & find it. That's informal but not accidental #lrnchat
05:19:36 pm gabeanderson: @vahva point to #lrnchat transcript or this page as examples of benefits of learning via social media – http://bit.ly/6OAEr3
05:19:37 pm dmozealous: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Is informal learning akin to Google's 20% of employee's time being self-directed? #lrnchat // Yes!
05:19:54 pm dwilkinsnh: Need to drop for analyst briefing. Hopefully back on later tonight… #lrnchat
05:19:56 pm millennial_ID: @gabeanderson LMS's can be a great place to store informal learning – gives the learners one centralized location to go to #lrnchat
05:19:56 pm kelticray: @mrch0mp3rs I would agree: less constrained and possibly less managed #lrnchat
05:19:58 pm ttoth: Hmmm…how can a designer apply the Socratic method to eLearning? Discuss… #lrnchat
05:20:06 pm bschlenker: @jenisecook I've heard that MS Sharepoint is including blogging, wikis, and microblogging in new versions – rumor? #lrnchat
05:20:09 pm jenisecook: @jonll Big financial corps. afraid… can't "control" what Ees say to the outside world. So, Ees could research only not share. #lrnchat
05:20:22 pm gabeanderson: @JasonFane nice. Interruptions are part of informal learning experience. #lrnchat
05:20:39 pm mrch0mp3rs: @LandDDave My point exactly. Since it's not an accident, it's purposeful. Hence, there is a goal that can be explicated. #lrnchat
05:21:10 pm gabeanderson: @jenisecook reason # 487 why I'm glad I don't I don't work for a mega-corporation.🙂 #lrnchat
05:21:13 pm jenisecook: @srleosalazar Not really. Give Ee broad goals to meet, and let Ee figure out informally how to learn and then achieve those goals. #lrnchat
05:21:30 pm jonll: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Is informal learning akin to Google's 20% of emp's time being self-directed? #lrnchat // it's just 1 component of innovation
05:21:38 pm lynnwernham: have to go now. thanks everyone #lrnchat
05:21:49 pm jenisecook: @bschlenker MS SharePoint been doing that since 2007, I think. And is getting better at it. #lrnchat
05:21:52 pm LandDDave: @mrch0mp3rs Unfortunately, I don't think the majority see IL that way. #lrnchat
05:21:54 pm chrisstjohn: @StephanieDaul Encourage the class to participate in #lrnchat !
05:21:56 pm lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? #lrnchat
05:21:58 pm millennial_ID: @bschlenker – SharePoint has had them for awhile, it's not new! At least since their 3.0 release #lrnchat
05:22:07 pm jenisecook: @gabeanderson Me too, Gabe, me too! LOL #lrnchat
05:22:07 pm srleosalazar: RT @jenisecook: @srleosalazar Not really. << IOW: goals = formal, methods = informal? #lrnchat
05:22:11 pm gabeanderson: @millennial_ID true enough… but the LMS will still track the learning, even if it's informal.🙂 #lrnchat
05:22:16 pm JasonFane: In regards to informal e-learning, we have a professor who will take a call in the middle of a podcast, students love it. #lrnchat
05:22:42 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? #lrnchat
05:22:47 pm petersonandrew: RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? #lrnchat
05:22:52 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? #lrnchat
05:22:57 pm jonll: @jenisecook @gabeanderson Me too, Gabe, me too! LOL #lrnchat // ditto!
05:23:04 pm scottmerrett: Q3) Link = yes, Coherent = no #lrnchat
05:23:13 pm gabeanderson: @wendiewhelan good point… of course, LMS will still track, even if that's not the goal of the learning event. #lrnchat
05:23:13 pm jonll: RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? #lrnchat
05:23:15 pm amphiboly: Are we agreeing on the same terms? It seems like the variety here is not helpful.
#lrnchat
05:23:16 pm jenisecook: RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? <> RT @amphiboly: Are we agreeing on the same terms? It seems like the variety here is not helpful.
#lrnchat
05:24:09 pm Mary_a_Myers: it’s about creating a chain of logic to coherency. RT @scottmerrett: Q3) Link = yes, Coherent = no #lrnchat
05:24:13 pm janwebb21: RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? #lrnchat
05:24:14 pm odguru: @ttoth community discussable follow up questions – i.e. what assumptions have yu made? Can u find alt perspective? #lrnchat
05:24:45 pm srleosalazar: RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal/informal learning into coherent whole? <<very nature of informal learning is chaotic (?) #lrnchat
05:24:50 pm gabeanderson: We should just call it learning. | RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? #lrnchat
05:25:04 pm LandDDave: Q3) I think IL can be linked to FL for a stronger whole, but the IL can not be part of the FL's critical path. #lrnchat
05:25:04 pm corksea: Was #lrnchat at 830, this morning? D'oh…
05:25:06 pm jenisecook: Q3) Again, coherent whole is tied to total workplace performance and business results. #lrnchat
05:25:29 pm millennial_ID: Q3) Wrap informal around the formal #lrnchat
05:25:29 pm amphiboly: RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? #lrnchat <<- Is this a paradox or a tautology?
05:25:36 pm mrch0mp3rs: @amphiboly The very nature of people using the same words, but attaching contextual significance to them, is a challenge in merging #lrnchat
05:25:42 pm dbolen: by coherent do we mean managed and reported per @mrch0mp3rs earlier? #lrnchat
05:25:44 pm jenisecook: RT @gabeanderson: We should just call it learning. @lrnchat: Q3) Can we link formal and informal learning into a coherent whole? #lrnchat
05:25:50 pm scottmerrett: Q3) As soon as we encourage learner to go informal it becomes non-coherent – or at least should. They should go explore. What then? #lrnchat
05:25:54 pm jenisecook: @corksea Welcome anyway!🙂 #lrnchat
05:25:58 pm JasonFane: Too, informal, and you don't get to learn industry standards, this is coming from someone a self-taught programmer #lrnchat
05:25:59 pm CanadianPacMan: Q3) I used Google Docs to have students collaborate on evaluation of pictures. Worked well. #lrnchat
05:26:07 pm srleosalazar: RT @corksea: Was #lrnchat at 830, this morning? Doh…<<< example of informal learning😉 #lrnchat
05:26:12 pm kelticray: #lrnchat Does informal learning count as professional development? Or does that need to be tracked?
05:26:15 pm petersonandrew: @gabeanderson what is this "learning" you speak of? #lrnchat
05:26:29 pm jenisecook: RT @dbolen: by coherent do we mean managed and reported per @mrch0mp3rs earlier?<<-Good question! Semantics on #lrnchat #lrnchat
05:26:39 pm mrch0mp3rs: @JasonFane Too informal? Or too self-directed? #lrnchat
05:26:40 pm odguru: Q3) Coherent whole would b acknowledgement, thought & resource against the endeavor of lrng in general w/ how being secondary. #lrnchat
05:26:43 pm scottmerrett: Q3) And why would we want it to become 'coherent'? Doesn't that feel "formal"? #lrnchat
05:26:49 pm jonll: Q3) – for what purpose? what do we want to measure? #lrnchat
05:27:19 pm amphiboly: RT @millennial_ID: Q3) Wrap informal around the formal #lrnchat <- This is what any good learning should do, if I understand the terms right
05:27:29 pm jenisecook: Q3) BofD will want to see ROI of informal learning. Otherwise, will shut it down. At least in the financial services companies. #lrnchat
05:27:52 pm mrch0mp3rs: @scottmerrett An argument can be made that if it is "coherent" informal learning activities could be valued by orgs. #lrnchat
05:28:05 pm gabeanderson: @petersonandrew I'll be right back. I need to go take an elearning course on the definition of "learning." I hope I pass. #lrnchat
05:28:08 pm LandDDave: @kelticray The only example I can think of where informal learning 'counts' is colleges issuing credit for life learning #lrnchat
05:28:24 pm jenisecook: @CanadianPacMan How did you report learning results? #lrnchat
05:28:24 pm CraigTaylor74: Q3) ensure that formal activities include links/direction to resources that would promote informal opportunities #lrnchat
05:28:27 pm amphiboly: RT Ajonll: Q3) – for what purpose? what do we want to measure? #lrnchat <- How does one resolve personnel development and personal dev?
05:28:31 pm janwebb21: @scottmerrett exploring in informal ways doesn't necessarily mean abandoning the objective /find an answer to a question #lrnchat
05:28:32 pm JasonFane: too formal I agree…do what you do best (formal), and link to the rest (informal) #lrnchat @scottmerrett
05:28:55 pm janwebb21: @scottmerrett by finding an answer to a question there is some direction and coherence etc #lrnchat
05:29:07 pm srleosalazar: RT @jenisecook: Q3) BoD want to see ROI of informal learning. Otherwise, will shut down. << thanks for describing my nightmare! #lrnchat
05:29:23 pm jenisecook: @scottmerrett Me thinks "coherent" could be replaced by another, semantical choice. LOL #lrnchat
05:29:34 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @jenisecook: @CanadianPacMan How did you report learning results? #lrnchat <- Read all the student's comments, debrief after exercise.
05:29:42 pm jonll: @amphiboly Good ques, personal dev translates into co loyalty and success ? #lrnchat
05:29:46 pm millennial_ID: @jenisecook how can u "shut down" infrml lrnng? u can't stop ppl f/sharing w/each other, only the methods they use #lrnchat
05:29:50 pm scottmerrett: @mrch0mp3rs Agreed. Now we just need to sell that informal doesn't need to be "coherent" or part of the "plan" to be valuable #lrnchat
05:30:12 pm jenisecook: @srleosalazar I know! On #lrnchat ppl explore things semantically. But, in Real World, we have to product measureable results. #lrnchat
05:30:36 pm jonll: @srleosalazar RT @jenisecook: Q3) BoD want to see ROI of informal learning. Otherwise, will shut down. <<enp engagement? #lrnchat
05:30:39 pm mrch0mp3rs: @scottmerrett How would you assert the value on something you just don't get, though? #lrnchat
05:31:08 pm jenisecook: @millennial_ID Yes, ppl will share on their own. But to get informal learning accepted inside corp., must show ROI results to VPs. #lrnchat
05:31:19 pm srleosalazar: RT @millennial_ID: @jenisecook how can u "shut down" infrml lrnng? < qns answered=coherent
05:31:27 pm amphiboly: RT @jonll Good ques, personal dev translates into co loyalty and success ? #lrnchat 20% is self-directed. #lrnchat
05:31:44 pm LandDDave: BOD wants to see ROI of ‘Training’, not Informal Learning. ‘Training ROI’ should be a composite of all efforts, including FL & IL #lrnchat
05:32:09 pm jenisecook: Q3) Simply tie informal learning results into the performance plan. Ee is in charge, and reports learning results. Mgrs then happy. #lrnchat
05:32:17 pm petersonandrew: informal learning can be micromanaged out of any environment #lrnchat
05:32:28 pm LandDDave: @RayJimenez Hi! Nice to see you particiapting in #lrnchat
05:32:31 pm bschlenker: Why is measuring learning important, again? Aren’t we all trying to instead measure business value?what can be DONE with learning?
#lrnchat
05:32:34 pm jonll: @jenisecook @millennial_must show ROI results to VPs. #lrnchat //emp engagement, cust sat, partner sat?
05:32:40 pm mrch0mp3rs: Phones & computers: both can plug into the internet in different ways, but it’s still the same internet. Informal/Formal = similar #lrnchat
05:32:41 pm jenisecook: RT @LandDDave: BOD wants to see ROI of Training, not Informal Learning. Training ROI shd be composite of all efforts, incl FL & IL #lrnchat
05:32:50 pm torriedunlap: RT @jenisecook: @scottmerrett Me thinks “coherent” could be replaced by another, semantical choice. Cohesive, maybe? #lrnchat
05:33:00 pm Rsuominen: The cocktail reception is over, back to #lrnchat .
05:33:10 pm bschlenker: RT @petersonandrew: informal learning can be micromanaged out of any environment #lrnchat
05:33:13 pm odguru: @srleosalazar @jenisecook ROI key issue 4 getting it right/coherent/whtev is ppl don’t believe what they can’t easily see or feel. #lrnchat
05:33:17 pm JasonFane: In a way couldn’t twitter be considered informal (spontaneous), and it links to blogs (ordered) which are formal? #lrnchat We blend everyday
05:33:31 pm jenisecook: @jonll Yes, whatever the company’s measure of success are. We were tied to rollup goals 4 R indiv goals. #lrnchat
05:33:37 pm gabeanderson: @LandDDave @kelticray what about immersion classes? e.g., internships or consulting at local businesses – count for college credit. #lrnchat
05:33:59 pm janwebb21: @scottmerrett coherent = logically or aesthetically consistent and holding together as a harmonious or credible whole #lrnchat
05:34:06 pm amphiboly: RT @jonll @srleosalazar @jenisecook: “ROI of informal learning” <<enp engagement? #lrnchat <- Perhaps look at KM budget?
05:34:15 pm odguru: Would be interesting to work at getting lrns aware when they are lrng informally – i..e. Jim just saved my ass… that was lrng. #lrnchat
05:34:25 pm srleosalazar: RT @torriedunlap: RT @jenisecook: @scottmerrett Cohesive, maybe? << Nice!! Emphasizes linking relationshps over form. #lrnchat
05:34:36 pm jenisecook: Q3) Replace "coherent" with ROI. (Sheesh, I sound like a banker. LOL) #lrnchat
05:34:38 pm scottmerrett: RT @bschlenker: Why is measuring learning important again? Aren't we trying to measure businss value?what can be DONE wth learning? #lrnchat
05:34:55 pm RayJimenez: 1/2 @bschlenker #lrnchat Not measure; Share Impacts.Measuring focus on accountability; sharing impacts focus on contributions to results.
05:35:09 pm kelleycruse: RT @bschlenker: RT @petersonandrew: informal learning can be micromanaged out of any environment #lrnchat
05:35:12 pm srleosalazar: RT @bschlenker: Why is measuring learning important? Arent we all trying to instead measure business value? << Amen, brother! #lrnchat
05:35:46 pm jenisecook: RT @bschlenker: Why is measuring learning important, again? Arent we all trying to instead measure business value?<> RT @RayJimenez: #lrnchat Share Impacts.Measuring focus on accountability; sharing impacts focus on contributions to results.
05:36:13 pm jonll: RT @jenisecook: RT @bschlenker: Why is measuring learning important, again? Arent we all trying to instead measure business value?<<-Amen, yes! #lrnchat
05:36:29 pm amphiboly: RT @RayJimenez @bschlenker #lrnchat "sharing impacts focus on contributions to results" <– Totally agree. Define impact at bgng of prjt
05:36:30 pm RayJimenez: 2/2 @bschlenker #lrnchat Most informal learning shares content – still learning; focus shud be share outcomes/results — results mindset
05:36:43 pm jenisecook: @RayJimenez Hi Ray! Fm SoCal here. But, corp. mgrs want contributions to = measurable results to show the BofD. #lrnchat
05:36:49 pm odguru: @jonll "I grew some today" voting button. #lrnchat
05:36:50 pm mrch0mp3rs: Evidence of Impact FTW #lrnchat
05:37:21 pm buschtk: ok – so we know learning creates economic power and value – so is it important to know how much value and to report on that? #lrnchat
05:37:25 pm petersonandrew: isn't measured learning a fancy way to say formal education? #lrnchat
05:37:31 pm janwebb21: @kelleycruse @bschlenker @petersonandrew Need to allow time and space to prevent informal learning being micromanaged out #lrnchat
05:37:35 pm srleosalazar: RT @RayJimenez: 1/2 @bschlenker #lrnchat Share Impacts.Measuring on accountability; << There's a word!! acctblty = Frml or infrml? #lrnchat
05:38:07 pm lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
05:38:10 pm jonll: #lrnchat – simul-learning, IDC on social biz – influence, engagement, rev, costs, margins
05:38:34 pm Mary_a_Myers: i don't care to make a commodity of informal learning. #lrnchat
05:38:36 pm mrch0mp3rs: *Why* they share that content is important, too. RT @RayJimenez: Most informal learning shares content. #lrnchat
05:38:39 pm jenisecook: @petersonandrew Not really. Method of learning not to be followed or measured, only lrng outcomes = perf results. #lrnchat
05:38:39 pm LandDDave: Unfortuanately what info we share (impacts vs measurements) is often dictated by who we are speaking to #lrnchat
05:38:43 pm jonll: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
05:38:47 pm kelticray: RT @gabeanderson: @LandDDave @kelticray Interesting! #lrnchat
05:38:52 pm jenisecook: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
05:38:58 pm petersonandrew: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
05:39:02 pm srleosalazar: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
05:39:04 pm buschtk: for BofD is it to justify the existence of the frml learning org – cost of the operation must get and show ROI? #lrnchat
05:39:28 pm jonll: #lrnchat Q4) not manage, encourage, market, measure – START
05:39:29 pm odguru: Manage informal only so far as it becomes more open and evident to those not geared to self serving. Resource and model provision #lrnchat
05:39:39 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
05:39:39 pm petersonandrew: Q4) to quote Egon, "Don't cross the streams!" #lrnchat
05:39:41 pm dbolen: RT @petersonandrew: isnt measured learning a fancy way to say formal education? back to what is managed vs not managed? #lrnchat
05:39:46 pm jenisecook: Q4) Depends on Mgr's or company's pref. Learning Orgs/CLOs may not be the ones to make that decision. (Sadly. Real world.) #lrnchat
05:39:50 pm StephanieDaul: Q4 I don't think we should "manage" but we need to look at what is going on #lrnchat
05:39:53 pm amphiboly: RT @srleosalazar @RayJimenez @bschlenker #lrnchat "acctblty = Frml or infrml?" <- Orientation is either to company or to self – how to link?
05:39:58 pm millennial_ID: Q4) no. what's the point? #lrnchat
05:40:05 pm Rsuominen: RT @CraigTaylor74 Q3) ensure that formal activities include links/direction to resources that would promote informal opportunities #lrnchat
05:40:11 pm janwebb21: @jonll @jenisecook @bschlenker: Why measure learning? am not interested in business value but impact of f/I learning + next steps #lrnchat
05:40:24 pm jenisecook: @buschtk Sadly, yes.. maybe not so much the Lrng Org, but their "programs". #lrnchat
05:40:27 pm kelticray: #lrnchat We still on Q2?? Did I miss Q3??
05:40:40 pm mrch0mp3rs: @StephanieDaul Even if you look at what's going on, you need to be able to make sense of it, right? #lrnchat
05:40:40 pm petersonandrew: RT @millennial_ID: Q4) no. what's the point? #lrnchat
05:40:44 pm CanadianPacMan: Q4) We shouldn't manage it but beaware of it and use it as a resource #lrnchat
05:40:51 pm srleosalazar: RT @StephanieDaul: Q4 No "manage" but we need to look at what is going on < so we can move learning forward
05:41:43 pm jenisecook: @janwebb21 True! I don’t want to measure the informal learning process. Go, learn, have fun. Just show me biz results 1 yr later. #lrnchat
05:42:00 pm kelticray: @mrch0mp3rs Dang it! Shouldn’t have gotten up to get my tea… #lrnchat
05:42:01 pm scottmerrett: RT @CanadianPacMan: Q4) We shouldn’t manage it but beaware of it and use it as a resource #lrnchat < – Agree
05:42:04 pm buschtk: I think "knowledge mgmt" is an oxymoron, but with infrml lrng growing & frml shrinking, we have to provide ways to get "substance" #lrnchat
05:42:09 pm kelticray: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
05:42:14 pm mrch0mp3rs: @bbetts Managing "them?" Or managing "it?" #lrnchat
05:42:15 pm jenisecook: RT @StephanieDaul: Q4 I dont think we should "manage" but we need to look at what is going on #lrnchat
05:42:22 pm torriedunlap: Q4) Couldn't that take the joy out of informal learning for people? #lrnchat
05:42:29 pm chrisstjohn: RT @jenisecook: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, if so, how? #lrnchat (or unmanageable?)
05:42:33 pm jenisecook: @kelticray Chai tea? (Mmmmm….) #lrnchat
05:42:42 pm dbolen: q4 right tools/systems in place, access to SoMe

#lrnchat
05:43:03 pm RayJimenez: @jenisecook #lrnchat Yup. Measure is impossible tasks; but informal sharing of contributions can deduce impacts -total micro-impacts=results
05:43:08 pm kelticray: Q4) Why should we? #lrnchat
05:43:10 pm LandDDave: Q4) Realistically, I think monitoring is needed with management required if there's inappropriate usage. #lrnchat
05:43:11 pm amphiboly: RT @chrisstjohn @LandDDave "Unfortuanately…info we share…dictated by who we are speaking to" #lrnchat <- Not unfortunate – our challenge
05:43:26 pm jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs "It" if it equals biz results. Learning Orgs survive in private corps only if BofD sees results. #lrnchat
05:43:32 pm scottmerrett: Q4 Is providing the tools and marketing for a Community of Practice "manging the unmanaged"? #lrnchat
05:43:34 pm srleosalazar: RT @torriedunlap: Q4) Couldnt that take the joy out of informal learning for people? << indeed. Informal learning = self-motivation #lrnchat
05:43:50 pm kelticray: RT @LandDDave: Unfortunately what info we share (impacts vs measurements) is often dictated by who we are speaking to #lrnchat good pt!
05:44:10 pm JasonFane: Q4.) No, managing those unmanaged learning activities stifles creativity. Some of the best educators are those of your peers. #lrnchat
05:44:22 pm jenisecook: Q4) Manage informal learning by sharing contributions, as @RayJimenez says. Team meetings.. share. Then, mgr deduces results. #lrnchat
05:44:42 pm amphiboly: RT @jenisecook @mrch0mp3rs "It" if it equals biz results. Learning Orgs survive in private corps only if BofD sees results. #lrnchat <- YES!
05:44:45 pm jonll: @LandDDave Q4) monitoring is needed #lrnchat //interesting but isn't that the point of the crowd? look at wikipedia
05:44:51 pm jenisecook: RT @JasonFane: Q4.) No, managing unmanaged learning activities stifles creativity. Some of the best educators are your peers. #lrnchat
05:44:53 pm srleosalazar: RT @JasonFane: Q4.) Some of the best educators are those of your peers. << Bingo!!! Someone give this man a cigar! #lrnchat
05:44:57 pm petersonandrew: Q4) see definition paradox. formalizing an informal activity will likely cause a rift in the space time continuum #lrnchat
05:44:58 pm millennial_ID: what do we mean by "manage"? track it, require it, push it, etc.? #lrnchat
05:45:03 pm StephanieDaul: Can we use the creativity that the learners are using in formal learning? #lrnchat
05:45:15 pm Mary_a_Myers: @scottmerrett in this case u are providing for consumption; it's not forced. #lrnchat
05:45:18 pm ghenrick: Q4 if manage means actively enable, promote and evaluate yes. #lrnchat
05:45:18 pm kelticray: @jenisecook PG Tips with a touch of milk. #lrnchat
05:45:23 pm jenisecook: RT @LandDDave: Q4) Realistically, I think monitoring is needed with management required if theres inappropriate usage.<<-Good point #lrnchat
05:45:40 pm petersonandrew: #lrnchat Does this mean that we'll use Robert's Rules for the next lrnchat 🙂
05:45:44 pm buschtk: anyone know of a private corps w/ GREAT lrng culture that does not show ROI results to BofD? #lrnchat
05:46:06 pm Julian3576: Q2)What, formally, can we do to support informal learning? #lrnchat < Introduce formal assesment methods that compliment informal learning.
05:46:07 pm jenisecook: RT @millennial_ID: what do we mean by "manage"? track it, require it, push it, etc.? <<-Share. Share w/ your team/mgr/org. #lrnchat
05:46:07 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @ghenrick: Q4 if manage means actively enable, promote and evaluate yes. #lrnchat
05:46:16 pm jenisecook: RT @buschtk: anyone know of a private corps w/ GREAT lrng culture that does not show ROI results to BofD? #lrnchat
05:46:18 pm buschtk: I wonder if the higher the lrng culture if less justification of existence is needed for BofD? #lrnchat
05:46:26 pm RayJimenez: @jenisecook #lrnchat Imperfect, intelligent guess; aggregate micro sharing of impacts in informal learning http://tinyurl.com/2fqrzw8
05:46:27 pm mrch0mp3rs: It kinda feels like there's a sense that Informal Learning could be counted as "extra credit." Or is there something more? #lrnchat
05:46:29 pm StephanieDaul: @ghenrick would their improved performance by the way we evaluate? #lrnchat
05:46:30 pm jonll: #lrnchat tech is only the enabler, power is in the people – creating collab and relationships grows personal, prof, next gen of leaders?
05:46:47 pm jenisecook: RT @ghenrick: Q4 if manage means actively enable, promote and evaluate yes. <<-Well said, bravo! #lrnchat
05:46:56 pm LandDDave: TweetChat… why do you hate me again? I don't need to watch my text appear one. charatcter. at. a. time. #lrnchat
05:47:16 pm jenisecook: @RayJimenez Imperfect, good! We often learn best from our mistakes. #lrnchat
05:47:24 pm JasonFane: Q4.) Also when you teach someone else informally, unmanaged, you learn the material better. #lrnchat (The whole Teach/Learn)
05:47:36 pm Rsuominen: And why? RT @lrnchat: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
05:47:41 pm shantarohse: This sounds like an interesting discussion RT @Mary_a_Myers i don't care to make a commodity of informal learning. #lrnchat
05:48:38 pm chrisstjohn: @mrch0mp3rs can you say action learning is "informal?" #lrnchat
05:48:46 pm amphiboly: @jonll #lrnchat "tech is only the enabler, power is in the people – creating collab and rltnshps grows prsnl, prof, nxt gen of ldrs?" <-YES!
05:48:47 pm jenisecook: RT @mrch0mp3rs: It feels like theres a sense that Informal Lrning cd be counted as "extra credit." <> if you want to meet your goal then here are some things to explore> take it or leave it #lrnchat
05:49:22 pm kelticray: RT @jenisecook: @RayJimenez Imperfect, good! We often learn best from our mistakes. #lrnchat
05:49:41 pm torriedunlap: RT @chrisstjohn: @mrch0mp3rs can you say action learning is “informal?” I would say that it is. #lrnchat
05:49:50 pm ghenrick: @StephanieDaul with informal learning, the knowledge/performance increase may not be used for some time, so harder to track #lrnchat
05:49:57 pm chrisstjohn: if so, then the volumes of research that says ~80% of people learn their jobs from peers would be “informal”. #lrnchat
05:50:11 pm jenisecook: Q4) How can lrnchatters change upper mgmts’ view/perspective on informal learning? So they “manage” it our way? LOL #lrnchat
05:50:13 pm srleosalazar: RT @chrisstjohn: @mrch0mp3rs can you say action learning is “informal?” << absolutely NOT!! At least in nt classic action learning #lrnchat
05:50:20 pm Rsuominen: RT @Mary_a_Myers RT @ghenrick Q4 if manage means actively enable, promote and evaluate yes. #lrnchat
05:50:57 pm CanadianPacMan: @chrisstjohn: if so, then the volumes of research that says ~80% of people learn their jobs from peers would be "informal". #lrnchat <-Yes
05:51:00 pm jenisecook: @chrisstjohn True, but mgrs always track that informal learning as performance results. It always comes back around 2 goals/results #lrnchat
05:51:00 pm Mary_a_Myers: regardless if BoD supports and promotes informal learning officially …it will live on! viva la revolution! #lrnchat
05:51:05 pm torriedunlap: RT @jenisecook: RT @mrch0mp3rs: …Infrml Lrning= "extra credit." Works that way in some orgs. and sometimes we need extra credit! #lrnchat
05:51:11 pm gabeanderson: Q4) Should we try to manage currently unmanaged learning activities, and if so, how? #lrnchat
05:51:12 pm odguru: RT @Mary_a_Myers RT @ghenrick Q4 if manage means actively enable, promote and evaluate yes. #lrnchat
05:51:14 pm JasonFane: RT @jenisecook: Q4) How can lrnchatters change upper mgmts' view/perspective on informal learning? So they "manage" it our way? LOL #lrnchat
05:51:35 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
05:51:42 pm buschtk: action lrng is collaboration around projects – it has structure and therefore is formal…or maybe a hybrid #lrnchat
05:51:50 pm amphiboly: @CanadianPacMan "Tech doesnt ensure collaboration – this is a human action" #lrnchat <- Tech needs to empower, enable, and evolve this
05:52:04 pm StephanieDaul: Is lrnchat formal or informal learning? #lrnchat
05:52:09 pm jenisecook: RT @ghenrick: @StephanieDaul w/ informal lrning, the knowledge/performance increase may not be used 4 some time, so harder to track #lrnchat
05:52:20 pm jonll: @jenisecook #lrnchat Read 1 example where JohnChambers found out that there was only 1 more pop blog int@ cisco, and was an SE
05:52:21 pm mrch0mp3rs: @JasonFane How to change upper management's views on IL? Strike hard, strike fast, no mercy. (where the heck is @moehlert?) #lrnchat
05:52:26 pm RayJimenez: @jenisecook #lrnchat Guerilla tactics, do it under the radar, mass action, use informal learning in crisis mgmt and emergencies e.g.
05:52:36 pm janwebb21: q4) can't manage all learning activities but can provide opportunities for informal learning – is that managing?!?!?! #lrnchat
05:52:41 pm petersonandrew: Q4) Andrew Peterson, West Shore Community College, Game Based Learning Junkie #lrnchat
05:52:45 pm jenisecook: RT @Mary_a_Myers: regardless if BoD supports and promotes informal learning officially …it will live on! viva la revolution! #lrnchat
05:53:02 pm srleosalazar: RT @amphiboly: @CanadianPacMan "Tech doesnt ensure collaboration" <- Tech needs to empower, enable, and evolve this << best of day! #lrnchat
05:53:15 pm buschtk: i think lrnchat is informal – the end experience anyway – the tool/structure is formal #lrnchat
05:53:19 pm bschlenker: @stephaniedaul Is happy hour a formal or informal gettogether? #lrnchat
05:53:23 pm mrch0mp3rs: Srike hard, strike fast, no mercy — even @RayJimenez seems to agree! #lrnchat
05:53:24 pm gabeanderson: Q4) no, what would be the point? Managed learning often comes after objective or reason to learn is defined. #lrnchat
05:53:34 pm LandDDave: For the scheduled topics? Formal. For general Usage? Informal RT @StephanieDaul: Is lrnchat formal or informal learning? #lrnchat
05:53:36 pm bschlenker: @stephaniedaul Is happy hour a formal or informal get together?
#lrnchat
05:53:39 pm scottmerrett: Thanks Lrnchatters. You have shared lots to think about. #lrnchat
05:53:52 pm janwebb21: @lrnchat thanks for interesting chat everyone! bye from Jan, Uk #lrnchat
05:53:52 pm torriedunlap: QwP) Torrie, Director, National Training Center on Inclusion in San Diego, tching ppl to include kids with disabilities #lrnchat
05:53:54 pm jonll: @jenisecook #lrnchat // sorry, only 1 blog more popular than his!
05:53:55 pm srleosalazar: RT @jonll: @jenisecook #lrnchat Read 1 example where JohnChambers found out that there was only 1 more pop blog int@ cisco<< link? #lrnchat
05:54:06 pm kelticray: #lrnchat @jenisecook @chrisstjohn mgrs track informal learning as performance results. It comes back around 2 goals/results |should it?
05:54:13 pm mrch0mp3rs: @bschlenker Depends on who's buying😉 #lrnchat
05:54:13 pm CanadianPacMan: @amphiboly Would you call collaborating with paper & pen tech that empowers. Collaboration doesn't ALWAYS need hi tech. #lrnchat
05:54:16 pm jenisecook: Qwrap) Jenise Cook, USA-CA, indpndt lrning desinger/dev-r; informal and formal: http://www.RidgeViewMedia.com Gr8 discussion 2day. #lrnchat
05:54:22 pm amphiboly: #lrnchat Thanks for a stimulating chat! Mike Pino, Harvard Business School Publishing, signing off today
05:54:37 pm buschtk: so after my 1st lrnchat, I am thinking but have I learned? not sure yet… #lrnchat
05:54:42 pm odguru: @Mary_a_Myers: viva la revolution!<<the best among us will convince BoD that we are harnessing inf. lrng like wind and solar power #lrnchat
05:54:47 pm RayJimenez: #lrnchat Opps.. have to join a call.. thanks for provocations- Informal learning applied in work and performance http://tinyurl.com/ybuxcgy
05:54:52 pm jonll: @srleosalazar #lrnchat it was an article in Fortune or FastCo in the last few mo's..
05:54:55 pm StephanieDaul: RT @bschlenker: @stephaniedaul Is happy hour a formal or informal get together? Is it one or the other or is there a blend? #lrnchat
05:55:15 pm jenisecook: @kelticray Business is almost always about results. #lrnchat
05:55:25 pm JasonFane: Instructional Design, Educational Resources for Higher Ed, Innovative Technology, Flash Development, Animation in PowerPoint, #lrnchat
05:55:45 pm amphiboly: @CanadianPacMan @amphiboly "collaboration doesn't ALWAYS need hi tech" #lrnchat <- No, it needs appropriate tech (pen is sometimes rght)
05:55:50 pm srleosalazar: RT @StephanieDaul: RT @bschlenker: Is happy hour a formal or informal get together? is there a blend? << and who is managing😉 #lrnchat
05:55:53 pm jenisecook: @buschtk That's why it's called a "chat". And, we like each other.🙂 #lrnchat
05:56:21 pm dbolen: qwrap – thanks all ATL, PM, learning strategist #lrnchat
05:56:26 pm LandDDave: QWrap) David Kelly, Training Director for New York City Bank. Thanks for another stimulating #lrnchat
05:56:30 pm JasonFane: @buschtk the point it to stimulate you and get you thinking about new ideas. #lrnchat
05:56:46 pm bschlenker: Some elements of learning are formal and others are informal – its all in the same journey started by you or a mandate #lrnchat
05:56:52 pm jenisecook: RT @bschlenker: @stephaniedaul Is happy hour a formal or informal get together?<<-Flying to Phx ASAP if u r buying. 1 hour away! #lrnchat
05:56:54 pm mrch0mp3rs: This has been 90 minutes well spent #lrnchat
05:57:10 pm CanadianPacMan: RT @amphiboly: "collaboration doesn't ALWAYS need hi tech" #lrnchat <- No, it needs appropriate tech (pen is sometimes rght) <- Good ans.
05:57:21 pm JasonFane: I think this has been a great informal learning process with #lrnchat😉
05:57:28 pm srleosalazar: RT @mrch0mp3rs: This has been 90 minutes well spent << Agreed – great chat this week. #lrnchat
05:57:40 pm StephanieDaul: I'm going to have to catch up on lrnchat.com #lrnchat
05:57:45 pm jenisecook: RT @bschlenker: Some elements of learning are formal 7 others are informal – its all in the same journey started by u or a mandate #lrnchat
05:57:50 pm Mary_a_Myers: but i get that it could be so much better…learners could be better enabled… #lrnchat
05:58:09 pm ttoth: @odguru Client asked me about Accel Lrng & the Socratic mthd. After I explained, she asked how that workd online. What do u think?#lrnchat
05:58:24 pm srleosalazar: QWrap) Leo Salazar, Amsterdam, Effective Intercultural Business http://bit.ly/cPAQh5 << Thanks, lrnchatters!!! Til next week! #lrnchat
05:58:27 pm odguru: RT @mrch0mp3rs: This has been 90 minutes well spent – < Mary Myers, Learning Strategist coming from beautiful downtown kingston. love #lrnchat
06:01:19 pm jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs Aaron, you'll also be at #mlearncon right? If yes, looking fwd 2 finally and formally meeting you.🙂 #lrnchat
06:01:26 pm bschlenker: Qwrap) BrentSchlenker – Phx, AZ – I'm here every Thursday. Try the veal! #lrnchat
06:01:28 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @mrch0mp3rs: I hear @bschlenker is buying the first round at #mLearnCon😛 #lrnchat
06:01:32 pm kelticray: #lrnchat. Thanks everyone! Time well spent and much enjoyed.
06:01:52 pm mrch0mp3rs: @jenisecook I assure you, it will be an informal affair. #lrnchat
06:02:03 pm StephanieDaul: RT @mrch0mp3rs: I hear @bschlenker is buying the first round at #mLearnCon😛 That seals it, I'm there! #lrnchat
06:02:04 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Please tell us if you blog about the conversation so we can link to it on http://lrnchat.com
06:02:12 pm ghenrick: I have more questions than answers now. which I think was the point! RT @mrch0mp3rs This has been 90 minutes well spent #lrnchat
06:02:14 pm jenisecook: RT @gabeanderson: Qwrap) enjoyed my 1st #lrnchat! Gabe Anderson,Articulate. Shameless plug 4 free learning tool: http://screenr.com #lrnchat
06:02:29 pm jenisecook: RT @Mary_a_Myers: RT @mrch0mp3rs: I hear @bschlenker is buying the first round at #mLearnCon😛 #lrnchat
06:03:10 pm Lilybiri: College just blocked Twitter on the campus, had integrated it, if they only could hear you all #lrnchat
06:03:20 pm lrnchat: Once the #lrnchat transcript is posted to http://lrnchat.com we'll announce it here.

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