Transcript for #lrnchat 8-April 2010 (late)

8:30:18 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
08:30:21 pm earcario: Popping in to the #lrnchat at 8:30 EST – topic is “UNlearning” – sorry for the slew of tweets as we start chatting!
08:30:54 pm kelly_smith01: Soon. An unflood (not) of Tweets via #lrnchat #lrnchat
08:31:12 pm reward75: Sorry for the flood of tweets for the next 90 min… gonna get my learn on #lrnchat
08:31:18 pm tigerlily300: Going to be participating in #lrnchat until 10:30pm.
08:31:44 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Business is picking up (I’ve said this before) #lrnchat
08:31:53 pm sifowler: Joining evening #lrnchat first time. Usually on EU version. At Bersin conference in FL so no kids to put to bed here. Miss them😦 #lrnchat
08:31:55 pm midquel: getting ready for #lrnchat, pardon the heavy tweeting.
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08:32:18 pm gminks: Missing #lrnchat😦
08:32:19 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
08:32:40 pm ranellem: Warning! I’m in a chat so feel free to mute me or participate for the next hour. #lrnchat
08:32:46 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
08:33:06 pm JustStormy: RT @lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
08:33:18 pm midquel: 1) Heather – Baltimore – best practices for teaching/learning
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08:33:36 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
08:33:45 pm marciamarcia: Interested in the elusive topic of unlearning? Consider joining tonight’s #lrnchat (now-10p ET). http://lrnchat.com
08:34:02 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) Jeannette Campos, New Hampshire, lover all things learning, grad prof, small business owner, highered ISD, mother of the year #lrnchat
08:34:04 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, Plano, TX. Instructional Design/Learning Consultant #lrnchat
08:34:07 pm rwang0: RT @marciamarcia: Interested in the elusive topic of unlearning? Consider joining tonight’s #lrnchat (now-10p ET). http://lrnchat.com
08:34:09 pm ranellem: Q0) Ranelle, Lincoln Nebraska. I support faculty/staff at UNL in educational technology. #lrnchat
08:34:11 pm cammybean: Hi #lrnchat. I’ll try to join in a bit after kids a bed. In the meantime, unlearn a thing or two on my behalf.
08:34:11 pm JustStormy: Intro to #lrnchat: Melissa Hicks, Instructional Designer, Grad Student, Penn State, looking for ways to incorporate technology into learning
08:34:21 pm minutebio: Jeff Goldman, e-Learning Designer in Baltimore, Maryland #lrnchat
08:34:22 pm dbolen: #lrnchat starting loads o’ learnin’ tweets join in #lrnchat
08:34:25 pm JoanVinallCox: Joan Vinall-Cox, in Oakville outside of Toronto, Interested in communication & learning in the social-media (web) environment #lrnchat
08:34:38 pm lrnchat: 4) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well
08:34:53 pm LauraMattis: RT @marciamarcia: Interested in the elusive topic of unlearning? Consider joining tonight’s #lrnchat (now-10p ET). http://lrnchat.com
08:34:54 pm marciamarcia: @sifowler We welcome bedtime stories here too. #lrnchat
08:34:57 pm tigerlily300: Kathy, ID, Georgia. Always looking for new ideas and good conversation. #lrnchat
08:35:00 pm billcush: 1) Bill Cushard, Charlotte, NC – Interest/Focus: Extending learning beyond the classroom. #lrnchat
08:35:03 pm jadekaz: Jade Kazmierski, Milwaukee, an ununtrainer. Can’t believe I made it an actual #lrnchat. Thought son would be 18 before it happened. #lrnchat
08:35:05 pm jsuzcampos: @cammybean back to back red sox games on tues and weds and my kids are finally in bed on time tonight! #lrnchat
08:35:13 pm Tim_M_Martin: @GuildMeister It would be great if folks from http://ngolearning.org could be in #lrnchat tonight
08:35:22 pm TerrenceWing: Terrence Wing – Los Angeles – Leadership and Management Dev #lrnchat
08:35:27 pm dbolen: q1 Don Bolen ATL north learning strategist and PM #lrnchat
08:35:57 pm anagoelzer: #lrnchat ana, designer, brasil, design,mkt, brand, music
08:35:59 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about & they can chime in too
08:36:07 pm reward75: Regina Ward, NYC, learning professional, here to uncover what is unlearning #lrnchat
08:36:13 pm hjarche: Harold Jarche, Atlantic Canada, focused on collaborative work & networked learning; living in perpetual Beta #lrnchat
08:36:14 pm Tim_M_Martin: RT @marciamarcia: Interested in the elusive topic of unlearning? Consider joining tonight’s #lrnchat (now-). http://lrnchat.com #edchat
08:36:16 pm marciamarcia: Marcia Conner, founder of #lrnchat, heads-down crazy busy on new book & travel for seemingly forever. Thrilled to drop in 2nite.
08:36:27 pm lrnchat: 6) On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really.
08:36:50 pm ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Element K in Rochester, NY. Listening to a 1971 Pink Floyd concert while participating in #lrnchat tonight.
08:36:53 pm ASTDLincoln: Join the #lrnchat tonight at 7:30 EDT. Topic tonight is UNlearning.
08:37:02 pm nickfloro: Hi all, Nick outside Philadelphia, focus on design and development of content and applications. #lrnchat
08:37:13 pm KoreenOlbrish: Hello #lrnchat ! Getting 3 yo in bed and following along on my phone… #mommymultitasking
08:37:19 pm sifowler: Simon Fowler, R&D at Forum Corp, Brit livin’ in Boston, sunnin’ in FL, love technology, people, hobby horse is relational thinking #lrnchat
08:37:35 pm dbolen: @ASTDLincoln I was there🙂 #lrnchat
08:37:46 pm nickfloro: RT @marciamarcia: Interested in the elusive topic of unlearning? Consider joining tonight’s #lrnchat (now-10p ET). http://lrnchat.com
08:37:51 pm billcush: Nice! RT @ThomasStone Listening to a 1971 Pink Floyd concert while participating in #lrnchat tonight.
08:37:59 pm Tim_M_Martin: Have to love this! http://www.unlearning.org #Lrnchat
08:38:08 pm jonhusband: Jon Husband, nomad, unlearner, lurking in tonight’s #lrnchat
08:38:11 pm lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too #lrnchat
08:38:13 pm sifowler: @KoreenOlbrish good luck with that, never managed it myself #daddymultitasking #lrnchat
08:38:30 pm gminks: I’m Gina, joining from a bowling alley (don’t ask), do social media + lrning for #EMC #lrnchat
08:38:40 pm TerrenceWing: @ThomasStone Does that mean you are comfortably numb? #lrnchat
08:38:41 pm Quinnovator: Just boarded flight to SFO, will have to turn off electronics soon (no inflight wifi) so will miss #lrnchat tonite (sigh). Have a great one!
08:38:46 pm reward75: RT @Tim_M_Martin: Have to love this! http://www.unlearning.org #lrnchat
08:38:51 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
08:38:58 pm SuzNet: RT @marciamarcia: Interested in the elusive topic of unlearning? Consider joining tonights #lrnchat (til 10 ET). http://lrnchat.com #lrnchat
08:39:20 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Listening to 30 Seconds over Winterland whilst #lrnchat (ting) #lrnchat
08:39:23 pm KoreenOlbrish: Koreen Olbrish, recovering ID, experiential learning advocate & eternal optimist just west of Philly #lrnchat
08:39:30 pm tigerlily300: @gminks Nothing wrong w/being in a bowling alley!🙂 #lrnchat
08:39:33 pm midquel: RT @reward75: RT @Tim_M_Martin: Have to love this! http://www.unlearning.org
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08:39:35 pm reward75: @gminks SWEET! are you bowling? #lrnchat
08:39:40 pm LauraMattis: Laura, NoVA, passionate abt sales & customer srvc performance, management & leadership development, training, making a difference #lrnchat
08:39:57 pm marciamarcia: @gminks So, tell us more… What, you think we really wouldn’t ask?! #lrnchat
08:40:11 pm cellodav: #lrnchat David Macdonald – tonight just an Ed tech student lurking whilst working on last assign in my master’s prog. Ex-unlearner soon!
08:40:12 pm stevechurchill: Steve Churchill Charlotte, NC Learning Design Mgr at a bank #lrnchat
08:40:16 pm TerrenceWing: Q1 That I can tie Leadership Dev and Social Media together in the same presentation. #lrnchat
08:40:24 pm sifowler: Already the evening #lrnchat community has a very different feel from EU/EST one. Maybe because I’ve eatened & drinked already? #lrnchat
08:40:46 pm jadekaz: Today I learned to make homemade applesauce for my bebe. Lots of mommy learning to do! Haven’t even attempted #mommymultitasking #lrnchat
08:40:47 pm ThomasStone: nice… no, this is much earlier Floydage… RT @TerrenceWing: @ThomasStone Does that mean you are comfortably numb? #lrnchat
08:40:50 pm JoanVinallCox: Q0 Learned this term – audience’s brain-functioning is important to choice of communication medium #lrnchat
08:40:53 pm kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned new word from Jay Cross (Informal Learning) – Paradigm Drag – 1 of the coolest terms of all time #lrnchat
08:41:06 pm odguru: Evenin’ Christy from ODScore collaborative knowledge networks… looking forward to some mentorship (unmentorship?) from y’all #lrnchat
08:41:21 pm jsuzcampos: Breaking News! Sure to be a #lrnchat first, @gminks joiUNlearns from a BOWLING ALLEY!
08:41:21 pm everyselearning: Myra Rhodes online interactive courseware architect and radio show host at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/everyones #lrnchat
08:41:28 pm odguru: RT @kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned new word from Jay Cross (Informal Learning) – Paradigm Drag – 1 of the coolest terms of all time #lrnchat
08:41:30 pm literacycaf: tracey mollins here. identified a flicker today in the back yard. fabulous 4 sure. #lrnchat
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08:41:31 pm dbolen: RT @kelly_smith01: Q0) Learned new word from Jay Cross (Informal Learning) – Paradigm Drag – 1 of the coolest terms of all time #lrnchat
08:41:31 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
08:41:44 pm jadekaz: @kelly_smith01 I want to know what the coolest term ever means? Please tell! #lrnchat
08:41:50 pm Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers, kingston ON, will be here intermittently…learning consultant by day; trying to catch up on life at night. #lrnchat
08:41:53 pm hjarche: @TerrenceWing just spent the entire week focused on your Q1 #lrnchat
08:42:10 pm earcario: @TerrenceWing could you share Leadership & SM presentation? Sounds very interesting! #lrnchat
08:42:13 pm CanadianPacMan: @TerrenceWing Yes you can tie them together. As a leader you need to meet employees where they are at. #lrnchat
08:42:14 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q0) I learned that timing matters, irony is hilarious & I have an enormous capacity for dealing w “dumbassitude” #lrnchat
08:42:14 pm anagoelzer: #lrnchat Ive learned about TED
08:42:31 pm marciamarcia: Paradigm Drag. I like it (the term at least). Thanks @kelly_smith01 @jaycross #lrnchat
08:42:37 pm reward75: Q0) I learned how to make a color palette for my bedroom, will start the redecorating after graduation #lrnchat
08:42:54 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @jadekaz: @kelly_smith01 want to know what coolest term ever means? Please tell! #lrnchat
08:42:57 pm CanadianPacMan: I’ve learned that Authorware doesn’t work well with XML so I’m manually stripping down a XML document. #lrnchat
08:43:03 pm sifowler: Q0) I learned that Accenture call their L&D business-partner people ‘Capability Managers’ #lrnchat
08:43:09 pm minutebio: Q0) I learned 2day I cannot compete with a millennial’s phone in the classroom. #lrnchat
08:43:10 pm everyselearning: this week I learned about IE CSS bugs and fixes from CSS ‘junkie’ John Gallant
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08:43:16 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) I was reminded (once again, because I tend to optimistically unlearn many times) that divorce stinks. #lrnchat
08:43:26 pm tigerlily300: Q0 – Learned today an approximation of video script lines to minutes. #lrnchat
08:43:26 pm reward75: RT @lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week? #lrnchat
08:43:30 pm northlight: Some old school skills remain very useful in the digital age #lrnchat
08:43:32 pm nickfloro: Q0 learned it is possible to touch type with ipad w/apple cover in landscape mode. Excited about the new features in os4 #lrnchat
08:43:39 pm ranellem: Today I learned about a cool new wordcloud site. http://www.tagxedo.com #lrnchat
08:43:44 pm cnagel: Cyndi Nagel – Mission Viejo CA – Interested in everything learning #lrnchat
08:43:47 pm odguru: Learned that everyone and I do mean everyone is getting on the social bandwagon…http://alturl.com/yodm #lrnchat
08:43:49 pm earcario: Q0) I have learned to have patience when facilitating and technology fails you (twice!). Have a sense of humor. #lrnchat
08:43:49 pm dbolen: Q0 while in between projects not a good time to change dog’s diets (eg food) they hang close by and gastricaly “active” #lrnchat
08:44:00 pm oakvillemayor: RT @JoanVinallCox: in Oakville outside of Toronto, Interested in communication & learning in the social-media (web) environment #lrnchat
08:44:02 pm minutebio: RT @CanadianPacMan: Ive learned that Authorware doesnt work well with XML … // Did U say Authorware? Blast from past! #lrnchat
08:44:03 pm kelly_smith01: @jadekaz Paradigm Drag – When old thinking (old Paradigm) holds back new. From Gelernter 1998 via J Cross #lrnchat
08:44:17 pm billcush: Q0) Today I learned that sales people do want to learn something new…especially if it helps them sell. #lrnchat
08:44:30 pm ThomasStone: Q0: I learned that even in mtgs where it seems you are going in circles, backwards, haltingly forward… progress can be made. #lrnchat
08:44:33 pm jkunrein: hai. judy is kansas city, ID-er, geek. #lrnchat
08:44:36 pm hjarche: @odguru the social bandwagon needs a few extra carts #lrnchat
08:44:40 pm jadekaz: @tigerlily300 What’s the video lines script thing? Sounds interesting. #lrnchat
08:44:44 pm jsuzcampos: @kelly_smith01 Finally, a paradigm does something other than shift! #lrnchat
08:45:00 pm tigerlily300: RT @kelly_smith01: @jadekaz Paradigm Drag – When old thinking (old Paradigm) holds back new. From Gelernter 1998 via J Cross #lrnchat
08:45:02 pm sifowler: thanks for sharing🙂 RT @dbolen: Q0 not a good time to change dogs diets (eg food) they hang close by and gastricaly “active” #lrnchat
08:45:11 pm nickfloro: Q0 also saw an amazing speaker in Phila about dev/design cycles, more info to come with blog post #lrnchat
08:45:12 pm jkunrein: oops judy IN kc. i’m not that big yet! RT @jkunrein: hai. judy is kansas city, ID-er, geek. #lrnchat
08:45:13 pm kelly_smith01: @minutebio Authorware = Paradigm Drag? #lrnchat
08:45:15 pm jadekaz: RT @kelly_smith01: Paradigm Drag – When old thinking (old Paradigm) holds back new. From Gelernter 1998 via J Cross <– Great! #lrnchat
08:45:19 pm anagoelzer: @dbolen hi have u heard about http://bit.ly/cwwizk ? #lrnchat
08:45:34 pm midquel: q0) Thanks to @karlaiescobar I learned about http://www.linoit.com as a virtual post-it board.
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08:45:35 pm gminks: @marciamarcia old colleague now leads some of the #vmware charge, his team tweeted abt Rock Band, taunted us, we came to play #lrnchat
08:45:41 pm Mary_a_Myers: q0) i learned moments ago that laptops don't run forever…sigh…and that i need to make a schedule for reading. #lrnchat
08:45:48 pm marciamarcia: @sifowler Nightime #lrnchat is firehose-esque, a bit snarky, & well… diverse. It's the serendipity that matters.
08:45:58 pm LauraMattis: RT @billcush: Q0) Today I learned that sales people do want to learn something new…especially if it helps them sell. #lrnchat
08:45:58 pm odguru: @hjarche a veritable parade! #lrnchat
08:46:00 pm lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:46:06 pm moehlert: Sorry for missing #lrnchat tonight but dad's in town. Y'all have fun!
08:46:10 pm oxala75: Q0) i learned that i really don't knows what #Oracle is up to. #lrnchat
08:46:10 pm cnagel: Join the #lrnchat tonight at from 5:30 to 7PM PDT. Topic tonight is UNlearning.
08:46:13 pm ThomasStone: @KoreenOlbrish I like "dumbassitude". My nickname in college was dumbass actually, partially a phonetic devolution of "Thomas" #lrnchat
08:46:13 pm TerrenceWing: @CanadianPacMan Very true but I tied it to leadership in virtual communities #lrnchat
08:46:16 pm billcush: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:46:19 pm CanadianPacMan: Q0 – Rather than fighting kids & cells, asking them to use it class Fri. Hoping to get them to Tweet while the lesson is going on. #lrnchat
08:46:21 pm jadekaz: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:46:22 pm JustStormy: RT@ThomasStoneI learned that even in mtgs where it seems UR going in circles, backwards, haltingly forward-progress can be made. #lrnchat
08:46:32 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:46:38 pm tigerlily300: @jadekaz About 3pgs of lines (ctrd, about 5 words/line) = approx. 2 min of video (at least, based on the script today) #lrnchat
08:46:46 pm odguru: @Mary_a_Myers Agreed on the schedule for reading… ru including pleasure reading in that? Or interest stuff. #lrnchat
08:46:49 pm CanadianPacMan: @minutebio Yep – have to blow the dust off my brain to remember the coding. #lrnchat
08:46:52 pm sifowler: @marciamarcia I likes me some snark. I already feel at home.🙂 #lrnchat
08:46:54 pm JustStormy: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:46:57 pm kelly_smith01: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:47:05 pm cnagel: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:47:07 pm billcush: Q1) I think "stop doing" is better than "unlearning." #lrnchat
08:47:13 pm marciamarcia: @gminks Some fascinating learning metaphors come from bowling alleys. Guessing plenty of spare unlearning ones too. #lrnchat
08:47:14 pm tigerlily300: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:47:14 pm JoanVinallCox: Have to share this – http://laughingsquid.com/nerd-venn-diagram-geek-dork-or-dweeb/ w/lrnchat people #lrnchat
08:47:15 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:47:19 pm LauraMattis: RT @jadekaz: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do u define unlearning? Actually possible or just metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:47:20 pm TerrenceWing: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:47:33 pm oxala75: Q1) i feel like unlearning is cutting the binds that hold particular information as useful or applicable. #lrnchat
08:47:45 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @jadekaz: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:47:51 pm everyselearning: @anagoelzer cool logo! #lrnchat
08:47:53 pm TerrenceWing: What was the fruit of your labor RT @hjarche: @TerrenceWing just spent the entire week focused on your Q1 #lrnchat
08:47:56 pm dbolen: Q1 learning to play the guitar (standard tunings) then trying alternative tunings #lrnchat
08:48:05 pm odguru: Brain plasticity research presents evidence that you can unlearn… http://alturl.com/znvn #lrnchat
08:48:07 pm tigerlily300: Q1) I don't know if you "unlearn." Maybe just "learn to know better" #lrnchat
08:48:15 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) Can you "un"learn? Sort of like forgive but not forget? I think you can learn new ways of doing old things …? #lrnchat
08:48:16 pm billcush: Q1) I also learned today that you can turn a 14 word sentence into a 4 four sentence (with focus) and actually say more. #lrnchat
08:48:17 pm ASTDLincoln: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? How does it relate to relearning? #lrnchat
08:48:17 pm sifowler: "unlearning" is an important word because it declares "that's not working any longer". #lrnchat
08:48:18 pm Tim_M_Martin: Q1) maybe learning is in layers… the things that need unlearning have become habit…. New learning is the evolution of insight #lrnchat
08:48:20 pm marciamarcia: We can't really unlearn but we can create a mental attic & post a sign saying, "Things I know no longer so." http://cl.lk/un-dee #lrnchat
08:48:22 pm midquel: q1) i think unlearning is tied to letting go of assumptions and biases to see something new
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08:48:35 pm jkunrein: Q1) i think of unlearning mainly in the context of habits. we don't need to unlearn content — just replace old w/ new…? #lrnchat
08:48:41 pm SuzNet: Q1 According to our old friend BF Skinner, unlearning would be extinguishing a behavior #lrnchat
08:48:49 pm JustStormy: I don't believe in unlearning. #lrnchat You activate short term memory. You change long term memory. How can you unlearn? Really?
08:48:49 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @odguru: Brain plasticity research presents evidence that you can unlearn… http://alturl.com/znvn #lrnchat
08:48:52 pm Tim_M_Martin: Agree RT @sifowler: "unlearning" is an important word because it declares "that's not working any longer". #lrnchat
08:48:52 pm jadekaz: Q1) Not sure really. I think of it like detoxing. Getting out the unneeded or bad. #lrnchat
08:48:53 pm everyselearning: @oxala75 But why do you have to unlearn it. You can just stop teaching it to the younguns! #lrnchat
08:48:53 pm hjarche: Unlearning: you need it when you live on the edge http://is.gd/bkNHt #lrnchat
08:49:04 pm kristineshaheen: Few minutes late, sorry #lrnchat
08:49:06 pm odguru: Unlearn – actually change the neural grooves and pathways into new neural pathways… #lrnchat
08:49:11 pm billcush: This I like. RT @SuzNet: Q1 According to our old friend BF Skinner, unlearning would be extinguishing a behavior #lrnchat
08:49:11 pm midquel: RT @SuzNet: Q1 According to our old friend BF Skinner, unlearning would be extinguishing a behavior #lrnchat
08:49:14 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Think of unlearning as correcting incorrect task performance/change2 to task or new task #lrnchat
08:49:15 pm reward75: Q1) It must be a metaphor bcuz how can you stop knowing what you know #lrnchat
08:49:24 pm gminks: @marciamarcia spare. Hah. #lrnchat
08:49:43 pm TerrenceWing: Every time you learn to do something better aren't you unlearning what you did in the past? Provided you actually do change #lrnchat
08:49:44 pm kristineshaheen: Q1) Didn't we used to call that forgetting?
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08:49:45 pm arossett: prof in grad school , T Hutchinson, said goals made clear by visualizing the opposite. Value of unlearning to me #lrnchat
08:49:56 pm jadekaz: Q1) Past month I've been trying to unlearn everything I know about eating. But it requires learning a whole lot at the same time #lrnchat
08:49:59 pm billcush: @jkunrein unlearning…So hard to break old habits. #lrnchat
08:50:02 pm odguru: I think it's different to talk about memory. as in can you make yourself forget something. unlearning is behavioral. #lrnchat
08:50:10 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @odguru: Unlearn – actually change the neural grooves and pathways into new neural pathways… #lrnchat
08:50:14 pm JffZllr: Jeff Zoller, Learning Consultant, Columbus OH #lrnchat
08:50:16 pm hjarche: @TerrenceWing brainstormed many ideas with @jonhusband & @jaycross – there are lots of possibilities for soc media & leadership dev #lrnchat
08:50:19 pm ranellem: RT @jkunrein: Q1) i think of unlearning in the context of habits. <–Agree #lrnchat
08:50:21 pm minutebio: RT @jkunrein: i think of unlrning mainly n the context of habits. dont nd 2 unlrn content- just replace old w/ new/ Yes replacement #lrnchat
08:50:32 pm Quinnovator: Q1) technically, cog sci says don't forget, only lose access to (kinda sorta) #lrnchat maybe more like 'overwrite'
08:50:32 pm tigerlily300: If you consciously try to un-learn something, doesn't that defeat the purpose? #lrnchat
08:50:41 pm sifowler: @odguru & @marciamarcia doesn't non-use of neural pathways eventually erase them? so in that sense, unlearned? #lrnchat
08:50:42 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) If U have time look up BF Skinner on Youtube – cool old stuff – BF had great on-camera talent #lrnchat
08:50:43 pm TerrenceWing: RT @kristineshaheen: Q1) Didnt we used to call that forgetting? #lrnchat
08:50:52 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @odguru: I think its different to talk about memory. as in can you make yourself forget something. unlearning is behavioral. #lrnchat
08:50:53 pm jadekaz: @kristineshaheen Forgetting is natural – unlearning is forced? #lrnchat
08:50:55 pm reward75: @gminks Let us know what your final score, pro🙂 #lrnchat
08:50:58 pm oxala75: @TerrenceWing i prefer to think of it as relegating that old learning as background or contrast. Like the Pips. #lrnchat
08:50:59 pm JffZllr: Q0) Learned this week – Can't read with my eyes shut! (-Dr. Suess) #lrnchat
08:50:59 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) technically, cog sci says dont forget, only lose access to (kinda sorta) #lrnchat maybe more like overwrite #lrnchat
08:50:59 pm Tim_M_Martin: I think so, Can you know but change your behavior with new learning RT @reward75: Q1) can you stop knowing what you know #lrnchat
08:51:05 pm LauraMattis: Q1- unlearning = unlearn something already learned, replace w/new lrng; relearning = learn something again, same thing not new/diff #lrnchat
08:51:16 pm minutebio: RT @jadekaz: @kristineshaheen Forgetting is natural – unlearning is forced? #lrnchat
08:51:19 pm Quinnovator: RT @oxala75: Q1) i feel like unlearning is cutting the binds that hold particular information as useful or applicable. #lrnchat < like!
08:51:22 pm billcush: Q2) I used to know how to run a regression analysis. Did I unlearn it or just forget how to do it? #lrnchat
08:51:29 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q1) maybe learning is in layers- things that need unlearning have become habit. New learning =evolution of insight #lrnchat rt @Tim_M_Martin
08:51:31 pm kristineshaheen: RT @tigerlily300: If you consciously try to un-learn something, doesn't that defeat the purpose? #lrnchat
08:51:40 pm ThomasStone: Q1: Usually think of "unlearning" more in context of skills and acting, default procedures and process, less conceptual knowledge. #lrnchat
08:51:44 pm everyselearning: RT @kristineshaheen: Unlearning: Didnt we used to call that forgetting? #lrnchat
08:51:44 pm kristineshaheen: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) technically, cog sci says don't forget, only lose access to (kinda sorta) #lrnchat maybe more like 'overwrite'
08:51:49 pm oxala75: @Quinnovator yeah, i like that. #lrnchat
08:51:50 pm JustStormy: RT @tigerlily300: If you consciously try to un-learn something, doesn't that defeat the purpose? #lrnchat
08:52:08 pm reward75: RT @Quinnovator: Q1) technically, cog sci says dont forget, only lose access to (kinda sorta) #lrnchat maybe more like overwrite #lrnchat
08:52:20 pm odguru: @sifowler certainly true 4 language acquisition.difference brain centers act differently. And depends on initial repetition #lrnchat
08:52:33 pm midquel: I think that's forgetting? RT @billcush: Q2) I used to know how to run a regression analysis. Did I unlearn or just forget? #lrnchat
08:52:48 pm TerrenceWing: @oxala75 Makes sense. GK probably appreciates the anology #lrnchat
08:52:56 pm cnagel: Q0: I learned some cool XML tricks to use with RWD uperform that I cannot wait to try. #lrnchat
08:53:00 pm oxala75: i think half the reason i'm in the learning field is that i'm always unlearning unintentionally. #lrnchat
08:53:01 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Canoe paddling does not equal kayak paddling – may need to unlearn canoe to learn kayak #lrnchat
08:53:07 pm sifowler: Any new learning builds on and is dependent on current learning, so 'unlearning' implies removing foundation? #lrnchat
08:53:09 pm tigerlily300: I don't think unlearning = forgetting. I agree with @Quinnovator – unlearning is more like overwriting. #lrnchat
08:53:23 pm CanadianPacMan: This is my first #lrnchat & I love it but I have to get back to my project. Enjoy the chat -hope to catch up with you next week.
08:53:27 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @oxala75: i think half the reason im in the learning field is that im always unlearning unintentionally. #lrnchat
08:53:31 pm Mary_a_Myers: reconfiguration of what you know…how you use it…or put into practice #lrnchat
08:53:31 pm minutebio: Unlearning isn't happening, but relearning and replacing with new knowledge &skills can happen. #lrnchat
08:53:32 pm LandDDave: Hi All. Sorry I'm late. Looking forward to another chat.
#lrnchat
08:53:32 pm midquel: I think unlearning is intentional. RT @JustStormy: RT @tigerlily300: Consciously try to un-learn, doesnt that defeat the purpose? #lrnchat
08:53:40 pm odguru: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Canoe paddling does not equal kayak paddling – may need to unlearn canoe to learn kayak. Good example #lrnchat
08:53:43 pm jkunrein: Q1) alvin toffler quote… going to link to my blog (shameless) bc i can't type the whole thing here. http://bit.ly/d6pEYw #lrnchat
08:53:48 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @tigerlily300: I dont think unlearning = forgetting. I agree with @Quinnovator – unlearning is more like overwriting. #lrnchat
08:54:00 pm billcush: @KoreenOlbrish @Tom_M_Martin So, can learning a new habit, replace an old habit….or unlearn it? I thing it can be done. #lrnchat
08:54:18 pm ThomasStone: I suppose I would also consider "unlearning" a relevant term for changing a faulty association I have between two things. #lrnchat
08:54:29 pm JustStormy: but do U really UNLEARN? RT @oxala75: i think half the reason i'm in the learning field is that i'm always unlearning . #lrnchat
08:54:33 pm jadekaz: @midquel I agree it's intentional. And something triggers the need to unlearn. #lrnchat
08:54:33 pm hjarche: RT @Thomas Stone When I think of "unlearning" I think of a fork in the road. I need to go back & take a different path #lrnchat
08:54:35 pm ThomasStone: RT @ranellem: RT @jkunrein: Q1) i think of unlearning in the context of habits. <–Agree #lrnchat
08:54:37 pm dbolen: doesn't one need to unlearn to live, be careful in driving the Toyota? Put car in neutral, turn car off? #lrnchat
08:54:46 pm minutebio: RT @kelly_smith01: Canoe paddling ds nt = kayak paddling – may need to unlearn canoe to learn kayak. // Can u every canoe again #lrnchat
08:54:48 pm sifowler: unlearning implies that a new behavior has replaced an old behavior; otherwise 'it' (the thing unlearned) is irrelevant #lrnchat
08:54:51 pm LauraMattis: Just b/c u unlearn doesn't have to be b/c bad/wrong, but b/c u need to do something different to do better #lrnchat
08:54:59 pm marciamarcia: @sifowler Funny thing about pathways, tho, is that you can't choose which to stop using. So technically yes, practically no. #lrnchat
08:55:00 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @ThomasStone: I suppose I would also consider "unlearning" a relevant term for changing a faulty association I have btw 2 things #lrnchat
08:55:00 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Unlearning may be needed if you try to apply learning of one task to another task – learn each task differently #lrnchat
08:55:07 pm JustStormy: Nice! RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Canoe paddling does not equal kayak paddling – may need to unlearn canoe to learn kayak #lrnchat
08:55:17 pm midquel: unlearning = reprogramming?
#lrnchat
08:55:19 pm jkunrein: even though i think of unlearning re: habits, it's supposed to be easier to replace a habit than get rid of it. *shrug* #lrnchat
08:55:29 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @jkunrein: Q1) alvin toffler quote… going to link toblog (shameless) bc i cant type the whole thing here. http://bit.ly/d6pEYw #lrnchat
08:55:29 pm reward75: @Tim_M_Martin you can, people continue bad habits even though they know it's bad, but when they stop they still know both #lrnchat
08:55:34 pm everyselearning: @Thomas But if you unlearn the first path, you could forget what it is you wanted to avoid?? #lrnchat
08:55:38 pm billcush: What about sculling? RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Canoe paddling does not equal kayak paddling – may need to unlearn canoe to learn kayak #lrnchat
08:55:43 pm odguru: @ThomasStone Would u consider reframing negative thoughts about urself (not you specifically :-)) unlearning? Fits overwriting def #lrnchat
08:55:45 pm LauraMattis: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Unlearning may be needed if u try to apply learning of 1 task to another task – learn each task differently #lrnchat
08:55:52 pm KoreenOlbrish: I think unlearning is an intentional task…learning is constant and natural, unlearning is erasing & replacing what you know or do #lrnchat
08:55:59 pm LandDDave: Q1) If the brake and gas pedals were reversed, would on the learning the change, or Unlearning the unconscious habit you've formed? #lrnchat
08:56:00 pm sandymaxey: RT @hjarche: RT @Thomas Stone When I think of "unlearning" I think of a fork in the road. I need to go back & take a different path #lrnchat
08:56:14 pm JffZllr: Unlearning = changing a behaviour in which you are unconciously competent #lrnchat
08:56:20 pm kristineshaheen: What if I want to do both? Nice! editRT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Canoe paddling does apply to kayak – may need to unlearn canoe to kayak #lrnchat
08:56:31 pm tigerlily300: RT @midquel: unlearning = reprogramming? — Ok, I can see the intention in that. I guess I was thinking consciousness = reinforcing #lrnchat
08:56:36 pm hjarche: RT @jkunrein: Q1) alvin toffler quote on learning http://bit.ly/d6pEYw | I use it often🙂 #lrnchat
08:56:40 pm billcush: Focused! RT @CanadianPacMan: This is my first #lrnchat & I love it but I have to get back to my project.
08:56:41 pm jsuzcampos: Q1)I think there is improvement (replacing behaviors with better ones) and overwriting (removing poor behaviors). #lrnchat
08:56:42 pm midquel: Maybe don't forget. It's part of your history. RT @everyselearning: @Thomas if you unlearn the first path, you could forget?? #lrnchat
08:56:47 pm jadekaz: So unlearning includes replacing? Any examples of unlearning without replacing with something? #lrnchat
08:57:01 pm TerrenceWing: Somehow what we think we unlearned can sometimes sneak back in. So did we actually unlearn it or simply put it in storage? #lrnchat
08:57:01 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @JffZllr: Unlearning = changing a behaviour in which you are unconciously competent #lrnchat
08:57:04 pm minutebio: RT @KoreenOlbrish: unlearning is intentnal task.lrning is cnstant & natural, unlearning is erasing & replacing wht u knw or do #lrnchat
08:57:04 pm cnagel: RT @billcush: Q1) I think "stop doing" is better than "unlearning." #lrnchat
08:57:14 pm KoreenOlbrish: I wish I could unlearn how to put my foot in my mouth all the time #lrnchat
08:57:18 pm oxala75: @JustStormy depends on how we're defining it. i just box it up and put it in the attic. The new stuff gets to stay in the parlor. #lrnchat
08:57:21 pm TerrenceWing: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1)I think there is improvement (replacing behaviors with better ones) and overwriting (removing poor behaviors). #lrnchat
08:57:23 pm everyselearning: @midquel my feeling exactly #lrnchat
08:57:27 pm jkunrein: @hjarche it's good to have a hair stylist who's always unlearning/relearning🙂 #lrnchat
08:57:27 pm tigerlily300: RT @cnagel: RT @billcush: Q1) I think "stop doing" is better than "unlearning." #lrnchat
08:57:34 pm CanadianPacMan: @billcush Thanks Bill – XML & Authorware- I need all the focus I can get #lrnchat
08:57:49 pm reward75: Not unlearn, but differentiate RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Canoe paddling does apply to kayak – may need to unlearn canoe to kayak #lrnchat
08:57:52 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) Unlearning should be conscious and intentional. There is motivation to change something (to know more, to perform better). #lrnchat
08:57:54 pm billcush: Q2) 'The problem is never to get new, innovative thoughts into your mind, but how to get the old ones out.' De Hock VISA #lrnchat
08:57:55 pm odguru: @marciamarcia @sifowler +re-creating pathways takes++effort and repetition,i.e. stroke rehabilitation http://alturl.com/bjdk #lrnchat
08:58:01 pm TerrenceWing: Teach me how when you do.RT @KoreenOlbrish: I wish I could unlearn how to put my foot in my mouth all the time #lrnchat
08:58:04 pm sifowler: Holy cow, evening #lrnchat is way more firehosish than EU! less RTing … can't … keep …. up….. ! #lrnchat
08:58:12 pm eduinnovation: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1)I think there is improvement (replacing behaviors with better ones) and overwriting (removing poor behaviors). #lrnchat
08:58:17 pm sifowler: RT @jkunrein: @hjarche its good to have a hair stylist whos always unlearning/relearning🙂 #lrnchat
08:58:19 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Unlearning needed when learner makes assumptions about new task. new task may have diff. steps or diff. performance context #lrnchat
08:58:22 pm hjarche: @jkunrein ya, that's something I would know a lot about😉 #lrnchat
08:58:32 pm reward75: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1)I think there is improvement (replacing behaviors with better ones) and overwriting (removing poor behaviors). #lrnchat
08:58:37 pm JffZllr: RT @Rsuominen: RT @tmiket Seems that unlearning is another way of relearning but with a different outcome #lrnchat
08:58:39 pm midquel: Cool! I kind of see the point of "unlearning" now. RT @everyselearning: @midquel my feeling exactly #lrnchat
08:58:41 pm kristineshaheen: Me2RT @TerrenceWing: Teach me how when you do.RT @KoreenOlbrish: I wish I could unlearn how to put my foot in my mouth all the time #lrnchat
08:58:44 pm marciamarcia: RT @petersonandrew Unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. #lrnchat
08:58:48 pm LauraMattis: Agree, except erasing RT @KoreenOlbrish: unlrng intentional task, lrng constant & natural, unlrng erasing & replacing what u know #lrnchat
08:59:04 pm JoanVinallCox: @sifowler Are you on TweetChat? – makes it easier to keep up. #lrnchat
08:59:07 pm ThomasStone: @odguru Yes, that could be an example of "unlearning", esp. if the negative thoughts were habitual. Learn to think of myself diff. #lrnchat
08:59:08 pm jadekaz: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1)I think there is improvement (replacing behaviors with better ones) and overwriting (removing poor behaviors). #lrnchat
08:59:16 pm ranellem: Q1) Is it unlearning, or just learning that you were wrong and learning a better way? #lrnchat
08:59:20 pm jkunrein: @hjarche LOL! well, looking for a new one now… the guy quit. #lrnchat
08:59:25 pm marciamarcia: More on unlearning in piece I wrote for @fastcompany http://cl.lk/unlearn #lrnchat
08:59:32 pm kristineshaheen: Yes! RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Unlearning needed when lnr makes assumptions about new task – may have diff. steps or perf. context #lrnchat
08:59:36 pm sifowler: yes, it's a deliberate act RT @marciamarcia: RT @petersonandrew Unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. #lrnchat
08:59:45 pm tigerlily300: Ok, I'm changing my mind. Unlearning has intention (otherwise, why would it happen)? #lrnchat
08:59:51 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @marciamarcia: RT @petersonandrew Unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. #lrnchat
08:59:58 pm JffZllr: Sounds like unlearning may be harder than learning something new. Can't imagine switching gas/brake pedal! #lrnchat
09:00:04 pm eduinnovation: Unlearning- the middle ground between forgetting-organized abandonment-ignoring #lrnchat
09:00:09 pm LandDDave: Q1) Learn focuses on what you need to start. Unlearn implies something critical that was true is now false & needs to beddressed #lrnchat
09:00:11 pm ThomasStone: @KoreenOlbrish Interesting, yes we learn some things unconsciously, and then we consciously act to "unlearn" them. #lrnchat
09:00:12 pm jadekaz: RT @JoanVinallCox: RT @marciamarcia: RT @petersonandrew Unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. #lrnchat
09:00:20 pm sifowler: @JoanVinallCox yes, on tweetchat, maybe refresh rate is too low, or high? #lrnchat
09:00:20 pm reward75: I agree RT @ranellem: Q1) Is it unlearning, or just learning that you were wrong and learning a better way? #lrnchat
09:00:24 pm kristineshaheen: Q1) Ok, agreeing with the idea that forgetting is accidental and unlearning is deliberate. #lrnchat
09:00:25 pm jkunrein: Q1) unlearning/relearning seems to imply constant improvement, keeping on top of your knowledge, skills, abilities #lrnchat
09:00:29 pm Mary_a_Myers: @odguru both…i find i just don't have time to read or synthesize much that comes my way…and i want to! #lrnchat
09:00:40 pm tigerlily300: RT @JffZllr: Sounds like unlearning may be harder than learning something new. Cant imagine switching gas/brake pedal! #lrnchat
09:00:43 pm jadekaz: Q1) I also think unlearning is harder than original learning. More cognitive load. #lrnchat
09:00:46 pm kelly_smith01: I had to unlearn how someone looked (via #lrnchat avatar) to how person looked in person (sorry not good example) #lrnchat
09:00:50 pm kristineshaheen: RT @reward75: I agree RT @ranellem: Q1) Is it unlearning, or just learning that you were wrong and learning a better way? #lrnchat
09:00:50 pm billcush: Yikes! RT @CanadianPacMan: @billcush Thanks Bill – XML & Authorware- I need all the focus I can get #lrnchat
09:00:52 pm Tim_M_Martin: Yes, but all habits are not bad – you lean better way RT @reward75: @Tim_M_Martin continue bad habits they know it's bad… #lrnchat
09:00:53 pm oxala75: @marciamarcia @petersonandrew oh, true. actually, that's pretty apt. So, scientists must unlearn constantly, no? #lrnchat
09:01:08 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) To unlearn, we must be willing to challenge the assumptions of what we "know"
#lrnchat
09:01:10 pm JffZllr: RT @kristineshaheen: Q1) Ok, agreeing with the idea that forgetting is accidental and unlearning is deliberate. #lrnchat
09:01:11 pm JffZllr: #lrnchat
09:01:18 pm midquel: Nice point! @kristineshaheen: @kelly_smith01 Unlearning needed when lnr has assumptions re new task… diff. steps/ perf. context #lrnchat
09:01:19 pm LauraMattis: True! RT @JffZllr: Sounds like unlearning may be harder than learning something new. Cant imagine switching gas/brake pedal! #lrnchat
09:01:23 pm SuzNet: RT @JffZllr: Sounds like unlearning may be harder than learning something new. Cant imagine switching gas/brake pedal! #lrnchat
09:01:35 pm jadekaz: Jinx! RT @JffZllr: Sounds like unlearning may be harder than learning something new. Cant imagine switching gas/brake pedal! #lrnchat
09:01:36 pm kristineshaheen: @minutebio Yes, I agree. #lrnchat
09:01:41 pm odguru: There is something dark night of the soul about the concept; by that I mean, what happens when what you knew to do no longer works. #lrnchat
09:01:45 pm jkunrein: YES! RT @JffZllr: #lrnchat #lrnchat
09:01:45 pm tigerlily300: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) To unlearn, we must be willing to challenge the assumptions of what we "know" — Yes, open mind is key! #lrnchat
09:01:47 pm kristineshaheen: @jadekaz Yes, I agree. #lrnchat
09:01:49 pm midquel: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) To unlearn, we must be willing to challenge the assumptions of what we "know" #lrnchat
09:01:54 pm reward75: The concept of "unlearning" is sound, to replace previous behaviors… but the word makes it confusing #lrnchat
09:01:56 pm Tim_M_Martin: oooo this is good RT @kristineshaheen: Q1) Ok, agreeing with the idea that forgetting is accidental and unlearning is deliberate. #lrnchat
09:02:06 pm cellodav: RT @kelly_smith01: Q1) Canoe paddling does not equal kayak paddling – may need to unlearn canoe to learn kayak #lrnchat
09:02:09 pm marciamarcia: We replace things we knew with new better info. Phone numbers, fresh opinions of people, wider perspectives. #lrnchat
09:02:11 pm dbolen: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) To unlearn, we must be willing to challenge the assumptions of what we "know" YES #lrnchat
09:02:20 pm Tim_M_Martin: RT @reward75: The concept of "unlearning" is sound, to replace previous behaviors… but the word makes it confusing #lrnchat
09:02:31 pm sifowler: In the context of L&D & HR, unlearning means conscious acknowledgment that a behavior needs to change #lrnchat
09:02:35 pm lrnchat: Q2b) What is something you had to re-learn after unlearning? #lrnchat
09:02:38 pm billcush: I agree..you have to want it. RT @tigerlily300: Ok, I'm changing my mind. Unlearning has intention-otherwise, why would it happen? #lrnchat
09:02:43 pm lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
09:02:50 pm jkunrein: RT @kristineshaheen: Q1) Ok, agreeing with the idea that forgetting is accidental and unlearning is deliberate. #lrnchat
09:02:55 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Adaptive learner may not have to unlearn. They adjust to new task and/or context by using some of prev. learning. #lrnchat
09:02:55 pm LauraMattis: And be open/willing for something new/diff RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) To unlearn, must b willing 2 challenge assumptions of what we "know" #lrnchat
09:03:06 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @marciamarcia: More on unlearning in piece I wrote for @fastcompany http://cl.lk/unlearn #lrnchat
09:03:10 pm billcush: RT @kristineshaheen: Q1) Ok, agreeing with the idea that forgetting is accidental and unlearning is deliberate. #lrnchat
09:03:11 pm kellygarber: Q1: unlearning is when you make a conscious effort to stop doing something that has become a habit, a reflex #lrnchat
09:03:13 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q2b) What is something you had to re-learn after unlearning? #lrnchat
09:03:14 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
09:03:14 pm jadekaz: Whoa! I missed Q2a. RT @lrnchat: Q2b) What is something you had to re-learn after unlearning? #lrnchat
09:03:14 pm everyselearning: Isn't it time for Q2 yet? #lrnchat
09:03:20 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q2b) What is something you had to re-learn after unlearning? #lrnchat
09:03:24 pm odguru: RT @Tim_M_Martin: oooo this is good (@kristineshaheen) unlearning is deliberate. Or necessary for survival. #lrnchat
09:03:31 pm jadekaz: There it is🙂 RT @lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
09:03:34 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2b) What is something you had to re-learn after unlearning? #lrnchat
09:03:40 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
09:03:49 pm doctorjeff: I think adults need unlearning to get back to the WISDOM of childhood, & the ability to question without restriction. #lrnchat
09:04:02 pm JustStormy: urgh….now i really have to think….RT @lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
09:04:04 pm Dave_Ferguson: I had to relearn how to unlearn everything I knew about learning jargon.
#lrnchat
09:04:05 pm doktadivah: [Agreed!]RT @kristineshaheen: Q1) Ok, agreeing with the idea that forgetting is accidental and unlearning is deliberate. #lrnchat
09:04:08 pm dbolen: Q1 is "unlearning" dictated by ideology? thinking about US partisan divisions see Congress #lrnchat
09:04:17 pm gminks: Is unlearn the same as relearn #lrnchat
09:04:18 pm jadekaz: RT @doctorjeff: I think adults need unlearning to get back to the WISDOM of childhood & the ability to question without restriction #lrnchat
09:04:22 pm urbie: urbano delgado, instructional designer, washington d.c #lrnchat
09:04:27 pm alchemize: esp: asking questions and challenging beliefs RT @marciamarcia: unlearning piece I wrote for @fastcompany http://cl.lk/unlearn #lrnchat
09:04:30 pm LauraMattis: RT @lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? Q2b) What is something you had to re-learn after unlearning? #lrnchat
09:04:40 pm billcush: Q2a) I have had to unlearn how to load a dishwasher. My wife tells me there is a right way to do it. #lrnchat
09:04:42 pm kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
09:04:48 pm reward75: RT @Dave_Ferguson: I had to relearn how to unlearn everything I knew about learning jargon. < good one🙂 #lrnchat
09:04:50 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) I worked with a guy. For an entire year I called him Steve. Then I learned his name was really Mike, and I unlearned Steve. #lrnchat
09:04:50 pm midquel: Q2a & b) These are some TOUGH questions! #lrnchat
09:04:54 pm kelly_smith01: Q2b) Unlearn old MS Office task banner & learn MS Office task banner (learned via trail & error & cursing) #lrnchat
09:04:55 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q2. I had to unlearn everything i thought i knew about what it means to be an "adult" #lrnchat
09:04:57 pm kristineshaheen: @odguru Or? Or Both? #lrnchat
09:04:58 pm abaggy: RT @doctorjeff: I think adults need unlearning to get back to the WISDOM of childhood, & the ability to question without restriction. #lrnchat
09:04:59 pm kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Q2b) What is something you had to re-learn after unlearning? #lrnchat
09:04:59 pm oxala75: @lrnchat Q2b) kicking. #lrnchat
09:05:02 pm sifowler: Q2) I had to unlearn 'how to play the piano' and learn 'how to hear & feel rhythm & music' #lrnchat
09:05:05 pm jkunrein: Q1) hmmm… unlearning could also refer to beliefs… very possible to "unlearn" a belief without learning a new one to replace it. #lrnchat
09:05:11 pm Tim_M_Martin: I unlearned how to talk to a 12 year old boy and am now learning to talk to a 17 year old boy #lrnchat
09:05:17 pm tigerlily300: Good question… sounds like it could be. RT @gminks: Is unlearn the same as relearn #lrnchat
09:05:22 pm doctorjeff: I think the need to unlearn comes from a recognition that pre-conceived notions either deny a view of reality or restrict it. #lrnchat
09:05:23 pm ThomasStone: Pretty sure hillbilly Cletus from Simpsons uses the word "unlearning" often. #lrnchat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cletus_Spuckler
09:05:24 pm JffZllr: LOL RT @KoreenOlbrish: Q2. I had to unlearn everything i thought i knew about what it means to be an "adult" #lrnchat
09:05:31 pm cellodav: #lrnchat re:Q1) is there any knowledge/skill that can defy unlearning, ie things that weren't learned in the first place?
09:05:35 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Tim_M_Martin: I unlearned how to talk to a 12 year old boy and am now learning to talk to a 17 year old boy #lrnchat
09:05:37 pm jadekaz: Q2) Longwinded fluff writing = unlearned once I became web editor. Then I started Masters and relearned. LOL #lrnchat
09:05:45 pm midquel: Q2a) Can you unlearn attitutudes? I have had to unlearn my beliefs about mental illness. #lrnchat
09:05:52 pm kellygarber: RT @Tim_M_Martin: I unlearned how to talk to a 12 year old boy and am now learning to talk to a 17 year old boy #lrnchat
09:05:57 pm odguru: I had to unlearn deference to get what I needed and learn to share power. new language, new frame, new skill set. #lrnchat
09:06:00 pm tigerlily300: Q2a. I've had to unlearn how to parallel park. #lrnchat
09:06:01 pm JffZllr: Q2) Had to unlearn steriotypes/bias #lrnchat
09:06:02 pm JoanVinallCox: Q2 – had to unlearn reading a stable source & allow eyes to travel w/ scrolling – lrnchat increases that #lrnchat
09:06:05 pm minutebio: Q2) Had to unlearn 2 day – How to react when attendees multi-task during F2F training. #lrnchat
09:06:06 pm marciamarcia: Today I worked with Boywonder to see that the sound U makes doesn't sound like Ya-ya-you, rather Uu-up. #lrnchat
09:06:07 pm doktadivah: Q2a/b: Unlearn "skimming" when I entered grad school; Relearn READING. More difficult than it sounds… #lrnchat
09:06:11 pm JustStormy: #lrnchat I hate when U think U know the lyrics to a song U *thought* U knew the words to…and you don't, but u still sing the wrong ones-ha
09:06:12 pm jkunrein: yup. RT @KoreenOlbrish: Q2. I had to unlearn everything i thought i knew about what it means to be an "adult" #lrnchat
09:06:14 pm odguru: @kristineshaheen definitely could be either or both. #lrnchat
09:06:14 pm cnagel: Relearning is one of our Co. values "We constantly look around and ask ourselves "How can we make it better" #lrnchat
09:06:23 pm hjarche: Opposite of unlearning? when your salary depends upon not understanding it http://is.gd/bdVEt #lrnchat
09:06:23 pm midquel: Nice example!RT @jadekaz: Q2) Longwinded fluff writing = unlearned once I became web editor.Then I started Masters & relearned. LOL #lrnchat
09:06:28 pm LandDDave: Q1) I had to unlearn and relearn driving when I got a car with a stick shift. #lrnchat
09:06:29 pm billcush: Q2b) When my wife is not home….I re-learn how to load a dishwasher and do it that way. Good thing my wife doesn't tweet. #lrnchat
09:06:33 pm everyselearning: If you learn a new language, you kind of have to unlearn the last one, especially if you don't know either one very well #lrnchat
09:06:34 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @odguru: I had to unlearn deference to get what I needed and learn to share power. new language, new frame, new skill set. #lrnchat
09:06:34 pm kristineshaheen: Q2a) Something I had to unlearn…. a fear of spiders? Or is that too behavioural / psychological? #lrnchat
09:06:38 pm sifowler: RT @odguru: I had to unlearn deference to get what I needed and learn to share power. new language, new frame, new skill set. #lrnchat
09:06:38 pm SuzNet: Q2 APA guidelines but I think I just forgot #lrnchat
09:06:43 pm TungstenW: @doctorjeff #lrnchat I dont think unlearning can reverse all the chemical and physical changes that occur from childhood to adulthood
09:06:50 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cellodav Lots of psychomotor knowledge, maybe, isn't really unlearned. (Riding a bike, touch typing) It's more that it rusts. #lrnchat
09:06:50 pm LauraMattis: Awesome! RT @cnagel: Relearning is one of our Co. values "We constantly look around and ask ourselves "How can we make it better" #lrnchat
09:06:52 pm sandymaxey: RT @hjarche: Opposite of unlearning? when your salary depends upon not understanding it http://is.gd/bdVEt #lrnchat
09:06:55 pm odguru: @doktadivah That is an interesting one for sure. #lrnchat
09:07:01 pm urbie: Q#1, unlearning is a holy thing: it's like being on a mission (from God), to paraphrase Jake (John Belushi) Blues. Imperativ. #lrnchat
09:07:05 pm ThomasStone: I think "unlearning" would be critical in contexts like after catastrophic accidents where you can no longer do X the same way #lrnchat
09:07:07 pm kristineshaheen: Q2a) Also, think I learned some numbers / multiplication tables in the wrong order as a kid. #lrnchat
09:07:11 pm doctorjeff: Unlearning is also about recognizing that the acquisition of knowledge is NOT the goal but the stuff you pick up on the journey. #lrnchat
09:07:11 pm jadekaz: @cellodav re: knowledge/skill that can defy unlearning I agree #lrnchat
09:09:47 pm doctorjeff: @TungstenW why? #lrnchat
09:09:57 pm cnagel: RT @kristineshaheen: Q1) Ok, agreeing with the idea that forgetting is accidental and unlearning is deliberate. #lrnchat
09:10:05 pm tigerlily300: Me too! RT @minutebio: Q2) I unlearn all the time when SMEs clarify/correct my misinterpretation of the subject matter/content?? #lrnchat
09:10:06 pm oxala75: is having to admit that Pluto is not a planet a matter of unlearning what i considered the structure of my solar system? #lrnchat
09:10:07 pm kristineshaheen: RT @jkunrein: yes, i think so. RT @jonhusband: Unlearning is often about becoming more or differently conscious ? #lrnchat
09:10:08 pm kellygarber: RT @reward75: Q2) I had to modify how I found commands in Office 2007, then remember how to find them to help someone in 2003 #lrnchat
09:10:11 pm odguru: RT @JoanVinallCox: RT @jonhusband: Unlearning is often about becoming more or differently conscious ? >I agree #lrnchat
09:10:16 pm Mary_a_Myers: i had to unlearn that kitchen scraps don’t go in the garbage…they go to the composter. #lrnchat
09:10:35 pm ThomasStone: Ability to unlearn / relearn quickly… flexibility, adaptability, agility. #lrnchat
09:10:37 pm cnagel: Pardon the tweets. I’m on #lrnchat tonight for a short while longer.
09:10:38 pm DanSpira: RT @sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
09:10:38 pm jkunrein: me 2 RT @sifowler: I had to unlearn taking an authors word for it simply because they were an author, & to engage critical thinking #lrnchat
09:10:39 pm Dave_Ferguson: Deference has its drawbacks, but so do arrogance and smug certitude. Esp if deployed by self-anointed “thought leaders.” #lrnchat
09:10:46 pm LauraMattis: Q2- I had 2 unlearn how 2 win (ie, 1st place) & re-learn how 2 still win w/o title “winner”. Not “winning” doesnt mean u don’t win. #lrnchat
09:10:48 pm sifowler: I also had to unlearn skepticism-bordering-cynicism-bordering-arrogance & have a little faith in people #lrnchat
09:10:50 pm JffZllr: When I think of unlearning, I think of changing core behaviors/thoughts #lrnchat
09:10:51 pm billcush: @kelly_smith01 Switching to Office 2007 requires major unlearning of Office 2003. I couldn’t find print for many minutes. #lrnchat
09:10:55 pm KoreenOlbrish: @oxala75 I had to unlearn “my very eager mother just served us nine pickles” #lrnchat
09:11:01 pm socialmedia247: Q1 That I can tie Leadership Dev and Social Media together in the same presentation. #lrnchat: Q1 That… http://bit.ly/d9Hrbv #socialmedia
09:11:02 pm DanSpira: RT @jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q2b) What is something you had to re-learn after unlearning? #lrnchat
09:11:10 pm urbie: Q#2, unlearning ex.: mobile elearning dev. isn’t about settling on a commonly available device. It’s okay to demand best in class. #lrnchat
09:11:15 pm JffZllr: I had to unlearn bad communication skills in a divorce. (and learn new) #lrnchat
09:11:17 pm doktadivah: @tigerlily300 LOL Good for classes, BAD for dissertation! #lrnchat
09:11:25 pm tigerlily300: RT @sifowler: I also had to unlearn skepticism-bordering-cynicism-bordering-arrogance & have a little faith in people #lrnchat
09:11:26 pm Dave_Ferguson: @oxala75 Like a lot of other learning, what you label Pluto only matters in terms of the result it produces. #lrnchat
09:11:28 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @ThomasStone: Ability to unlearn / relearn quickly… flexibility, adaptability, agility. #lrnchat
09:11:35 pm midquel: That reminds me of unlearning reliance on plastic bags in DC. RT @Mary_a_Myers: unlearn that kitchen scraps go to the composter #lrnchat
09:11:36 pm odguru: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Deference has its drawbacks, so do arrogance and smug certitude. <<< s'truth! #lrnchat
09:11:56 pm dbolen: RT @ThomasStone: Ability to unlearn / relearn quickly… flexibility, adaptability, agility. there can be a better way #lrnchat
09:11:58 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @sifowler: I also had to unlearn skepticism-bordering-cynicism-bordering-arrogance & have a little faith in people #lrnchat
09:12:05 pm billcush: How did you react? RT @minutebio: Q2) Had to unlearn 2 day – How to react when attendees multi-task during F2F training. #lrnchat
09:12:09 pm kristineshaheen: @jkunrein That's what I found, and how I unlearned it, I think. #lrnchat
09:12:17 pm reward75: I think I need to "unlearn" how we normally use English to accept the term "unlearn" #lrnchat
09:12:24 pm Dave_Ferguson: @odguru G Keillor on getting over shyness: many people could use a lot more than they currently have. #lrnchat
09:12:25 pm oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish well, u still know the phrase, but it can go to the attic now. #lrnchat
09:12:34 pm JustStormy: #lrnchat – so does unlearning = relearning?
09:12:41 pm cnagel: RT @lrnchat: Q2b) What is something you had to re-learn after unlearning? #lrnchat
09:12:48 pm cnagel: RT @lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
09:12:50 pm oxala75: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @oxala75 Like a lot of other learning, what you label Pluto only matters in terms of the result it produces. #lrnchat
09:12:50 pm tigerlily300: When to skim, when not to skim!🙂 RT @doktadivah: @tigerlily300 LOL Good for classes, BAD for dissertation! #lrnchat
09:12:52 pm kelly_smith01: RT @reward75: I think I need to "unlearn" how we normally use English to accept the term "unlearn" #lrnchat
09:13:02 pm doctorjeff: Ok, how many definitions of unlearn are folks using here? #lrnchat
09:13:07 pm billcush: Good Co. Value. RT @cnagel: Relearning is one of our Co. values #lrnchat
09:13:09 pm jadekaz: Wish they'd unlearn making critical buttons red. Finger drawn to them. Hung up on videoconference too many times and can't unlearn #lrnchat
09:13:14 pm DanSpira: #lrnchat Q2b) Candor.
09:13:15 pm urbie: @billcush did you switch because of same cool feature or did M.S. say so? i'm mad M.S.'s Office 2010 uninstalls previous Office. #lrnchat
09:13:28 pm kristineshaheen: Unlearn, or build learning? RT @reward75: I think I need to "unlearn" how we normally use English to accept the term "unlearn" #lrnchat
09:13:32 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @JustStormy: #lrnchat – so does unlearning = relearning? <<<i think you hope they go hand in hand #lrnchat
09:13:44 pm Chuck_Bell_: RT @eduinnovation: Unlearning- the middle ground between forgetting-organized abandonment-ignoring #lrnchat
09:13:48 pm midquel: Good question. I still think there's a subtle diff. RT @JustStormy: #lrnchat – so does unlearning = relearning? #lrnchat
09:13:49 pm Dave_Ferguson: @doctorjeff It's lrnchat. # of defs = # of participants / day of the month. #lrnchat
09:13:53 pm odguru: @Dave_Ferguson Ha! (I just watched a prairie home companion for the first time speaking of G Keillor) #lrnchat
09:14:03 pm sifowler: I had to unlearn & relearn "table". It means opposite in UK & US. If you table something in UK they'll start work on it. #lrnchat
09:14:16 pm kristineshaheen: I don't know that I buy that anything is "unlearned". Just out of rotation or developing into a larger understanding. (Forgotten.) #lrnchat
09:14:18 pm JffZllr: Does unlearning create a void that needs to be filled? or can you just unlearn? #lrnchat
09:14:29 pm doktadivah: @JustStormy I would say that un/relearning are very closely related, if not essentially the same…. #lrnchat
09:14:32 pm odguru: @doctorjeff I double dog dare you to try to round up one def everyone agrees to #lrnchat
09:14:41 pm sifowler: I'm not seeing many examples of what people have unlearned? Any work examples? #lrnchat
09:14:43 pm TungstenW: @doctorjeff #lrnchat structures/process in childs brain allowing this Wisdom/ah/novel experience of world are modified/removed in adultbrain
09:14:44 pm kristineshaheen: RT @sifowler: had to unlearn & relearn "table". It means opposite in UK & US. If you table something in UK theyll start work on it. #lrnchat
09:14:52 pm LandDDave: I think relearning and unlearning are two of many pieces under the larger LEARNING umbrella. #lrnchat
09:14:56 pm Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Re "table" — I don't see that as unlearning. It's expanding awareness of context for a word. #lrnchat
09:15:00 pm minutebio: RT @billcush: Hw did u react? unlearn -Hw 2 react whn attndees multi-task.. #lrnchat -More focus on gaining attention than enforcing "rules"
09:15:01 pm DanSpira: #lrnchat Q2b – alt) I had to unlearn good writing, then I had to re-learn it. Or maybe I never learned it.
09:15:06 pm KoreenOlbrish: @JffZllr I think you can just unlearn…but sometimes it helps to replace it… #lrnchat
09:15:08 pm billcush: @urbie Its all or none, alright. I switched because new PC came with it from work. Had no choice. Had to learn fast. #lrnchat
09:15:09 pm odguru: If I unlearn, I truly set it aside. If I relearn I pick it back up again. #lrnchat
09:15:10 pm doktadivah: Restructuring schema to adapt to/acquire/develop new knowledge. #lrnchat
09:15:20 pm jkunrein: RT @odguru: @doctorjeff I double dog dare you to try to round up one def everyone agrees to << & fits in 140 characters #lrnchat
09:15:25 pm JoanVinallCox: Q2 It was easy to unlearn that 1 mistake meant I had to re-type the whole page #lrnchat
09:15:32 pm kristineshaheen: @sifowler But know you know *both*. #lrnchat
09:15:33 pm DanSpira: RT @Tim_M_Martin: I unlearned how to talk to a 12 year old boy and am now learning to talk to a 17 year old boy #lrnchat
09:15:40 pm dbolen: @JffZllr no void, just learning #lrnchat
09:15:45 pm doctorjeff: @odguru Ok, unlearning cannot be simply forgetting about something you've learned – most folks don't have that ability. #lrnchat
09:15:45 pm LauraMattis: Good way of looking at it RT @odguru: If I unlearn, I truly set it aside. If I relearn I pick it back up again. #lrnchat
09:15:48 pm TerrenceWing: Statistics and probability snuck back into my life a few years ago. #lrnchat
09:15:53 pm kristineshaheen: @odguru Where was it, in-between times? #lrnchat
09:15:57 pm Tim_M_Martin: RT @doktadivah: Restructuring schema to adapt to/acquire/develop new knowledge. #lrnchat
09:16:02 pm tigerlily300: I had to unlearn the way my company designed and storyboarded. We were very formulaic before. @sifowler #lrnchat
09:16:14 pm kristineshaheen: @DanSpira Can you still talk to 12-year old boys? #lrnchat
09:16:15 pm reward75: This would have to be a total throwing out of what I know about English RT @kristineshaheen: Unlearn, or build learning? #lrnchat
09:16:24 pm jadekaz: I think it's unlearned if your automatic response is the replacement. #lrnchat
09:16:35 pm PhilMcCreight: Unlearning of only thinking in a linear terms… RT @lrnchat: Q2a) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
09:16:38 pm kellygarber: often unlearning and relearning are one in the same …while at times we do one without the other – that clears it up. #lrnchat
09:16:42 pm minutebio: RT @jadekaz: I think its unlearned if your automatic response is the replacement. #lrnchat
09:16:46 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @Tim_M_Martin: RT @doktadivah: Restructuring schema to adapt to/acquire/develop new knowledge.<<>> RT @jadekaz: I think its unlearned if your automatic response is the replacement. #lrnchat
09:17:31 pm urbie: @billcush is multitasking bad? tweeting an exciting/informative experience is desired, yes? #lrnchat
09:17:31 pm KoreenOlbrish: @sifowler sometimes a table’s just a table🙂 #lrnchat
09:17:32 pm midquel: RT @Mary_a_Myers: RT @Tim_M_Martin: RT @doktadivah: Restructuring schema to adapt to/acquire/develop new knowledge.<<<yes #lrnchat
09:17:37 pm LauraMattis: Do you really have to forget to unlearn? I would think remembering the unlearned can help reinforce the newly learned. #lrnchat
09:17:37 pm Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Yes, so I'm not seeing much value in 'unlearning' as a term. #lrnchat
09:17:42 pm Tim_M_Martin: Q2) I unlearned AICC #lrnchat
09:17:43 pm JustStormy: So if you had to talk to a 12 year old boy @DanSpira @Tim_M_Martin, you'd have no idea of how to do it? #lrnchat
09:17:57 pm jonhusband: RT @Dave_Ferguson Deference has drawbacks, so do arrogance and smug certitude. Esp if deployed by self-anointed "thought leaders." #lrnchat
09:17:58 pm TungstenW: @doctorjeff #lrnchat just look at the research on how young and old experience time – vastly different
09:18:11 pm kellygarber: or, unlearning can be about adapting to change #lrnchat
09:18:13 pm odguru: @kristineshaheen ie. I've severe joint problems; have been helped by new therapies. am re-learning how 2 ride my bike after 15 yrs. #lrnchat
09:18:20 pm doctorjeff: @odguru unlearning can also b bout recognizing consequences of learning something, e.g. limited view, poor view, & adding a filter. #lrnchat
09:18:21 pm cnagel: Q2b) I had to re-learn an SAP procedure I have not used in over 1 year #lrnchat
09:18:21 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TungstenW "Just different" includes 2 periods of rapid neural growth followed by pruning. That's a hell of a diff. #lrnchat
09:18:23 pm kristineshaheen: Second. (Sorry, whoever's term this is?) RT @Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Yes, so Im not seeing much value in unlearning as a term. #lrnchat
09:18:38 pm midquel: what if we talk about cognitive dissonance? RT @Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Yes, so Im not seeing much value in unlearning as a term. #lrnchat
09:18:48 pm billcush: @minutebio Yep. The best way to ensure multitasking, or worse…tuning out… in your class is to enforce rules. #lrnchat
09:18:49 pm odguru: @doctorjeff learned badly or have created unhealthy shortcuts. #lrnchat
09:18:50 pm minutebio: RT @Tim_M_Martin: Q2) I unlearned AICC // Did you track your unlearning on the LMS? #lrnchat
09:18:58 pm Tim_M_Martin: We need a common definition RT @Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Yes, so I'm not seeing much value in 'unlearning' as a term. #lrnchat
09:19:02 pm JustStormy: "learning is defined as a change in long-term memory" (Kirschner) How can you UNDO that? #lrnchat
09:19:04 pm JffZllr: q2) I'd argue that people don't decide to unlearn, must be presentd w/ new info, conflict, or alternative perspective #lrnchat
09:19:11 pm tigerlily300: Agree RT @LauraMattis: I would think remembering the unlearned can help reinforce the newly learned. #lrnchat
09:19:13 pm midquel: I should say cognitive dissonance as a starting point for an unlearning process? #lrnchat
09:19:16 pm jadekaz: @Dave_Ferguson I think the term has value in ID because it sets the parameters of the instructional problem. #lrnchat
09:19:19 pm kelly_smith01: RT @odguru: @doctorjeff learned badly or have created unhealthy shortcuts. #lrnchat
09:19:21 pm sifowler: @Dave_Ferguson I only see the value of 'unlearn' as a declaration that one isn't insane (re. Einstein quote) #lrnchat
09:19:22 pm kristineshaheen: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @sifowler sometimes a tables just a table🙂 #lrnchat
09:19:35 pm KoreenOlbrish: @midquel i thought cognitive dissonance is when reality doesn't meet your beliefs/expectations… #lrnchat
09:19:37 pm kristineshaheen: RT @LauraMattis: Do you have to forget to unlearn? I would think remembering the unlearned can help reinforce the newly learned. #lrnchat
09:19:39 pm jkunrein: lol, touche RT @minutebio: RT @Tim_M_Martin: Q2) I unlearned AICC // Did you track your unlearning on the LMS? #lrnchat
09:19:40 pm doctorjeff: @TungstenW you r taking this in too biological a context. The adult brain has the ability to recognize what it's lost & compensate. #lrnchat
09:19:49 pm reward75: yes, yes, yes! RT @Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Yes, so Im not seeing much value in unlearning as a term. #lrnchat
09:19:52 pm midquel: RT @jadekaz: @Dave_Ferguson I think the term has value in ID because it sets the parameters of the instructional problem. #lrnchat
09:20:04 pm billcush: Definitely, Yes. I RT @urbie: @billcush is multitasking bad? tweeting an exciting/informative experience is desired, yes? #lrnchat
09:20:09 pm jonhusband: I unlearned inappropriate / unearned hierarchy #lrnchat
09:20:14 pm oxala75: @tigerlily300 @LauraMattis dunno. depends if the unlearned turned out to be at all relevant or related, after all #lrnchat
09:20:14 pm reward75: RT @JustStormy: "learning is defined as a change in long-term memory" (Kirschner) How can you UNDO that? #lrnchat
09:20:17 pm odguru: RT @doctorjeff: @odguru unlearning can also b bout recognizing consequences << expanding your definition/realizing previous limits #lrnchat
09:20:25 pm lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:20:33 pm doctorjeff: @TungstenW yet that does not mean the adult cannot recognize the perception of time … and take time to smell the roses. #lrnchat
09:20:36 pm Tim_M_Martin: YES but could not get reporting to work RT @minutebio: RT @Tim_M_Martin: Q2) I unlearned AICC // Did you track on the LMS? #lrnchat
09:20:37 pm kristineshaheen: oops, third (Sorry, whoever's term this is?) RT @Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler Yes, so Im not seeing much value in unlearning as a term. #lrnchat
09:20:41 pm doctorjeff: RT @kelly_smith01: RT @odguru: @doctorjeff learned badly or have created unhealthy shortcuts. #lrnchat
09:20:44 pm cnagel: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:20:48 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:20:53 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:20:53 pm kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:20:55 pm doctorjeff: RT @odguru: RT @doctorjeff: @odguru unlearning can also b bout recognizing consequences << expanding your definition/realizing previous limits #lrnchat
09:21:00 pm jkunrein: Q3) plenty of practice #lrnchat
09:21:02 pm urbie: @midquel when the syllable-to-words-ratio gets too high meaning becomes muddled; unlearn moment #42. #lrnchat
09:21:05 pm tigerlily300: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:21:07 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q3. show them that what they know is wrong? (hehe) #lrnchat
09:21:09 pm jadekaz: Transformative lrning RT @JffZllr: q2)people dont decide to unlearn, must be presentd w/ new info, conflict or alterntv perspective #lrnchat
09:21:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jadekaz To me, "instructional design problem" is a subset of "performance problem." "Unlearning" problematicly vague. #lrnchat
09:21:23 pm bschlenker: Perhaps unlearning occurs when one stops doing whatever was learned #Lrnchat
09:21:29 pm dbolen: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:21:35 pm kristineshaheen: Q3) So, that's called teaching? For regular old Learning. With obstacles. #lrnchat
09:21:39 pm sifowler: Q3) Scream, "FIRE! … Your platform is on FIRE!!!". Then, erm, no idea what to do next. #lrnchat
09:21:42 pm kellygarber: Q3) Learning rehab #lrnchat
09:21:42 pm reward75: It would be good if it didn't misuse the english lang RT @jadekaz: @Dave_Ferguson I think the term has value in ID #lrnchat
09:21:43 pm jadekaz: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:22:00 pm midquel: exactly. so this is the spark that inspires…@KoreenOlbrish: cog diss is when reality doesn't match beliefs/expectations… #lrnchat
09:22:04 pm urbie: @bschlenker that which is not practice is unlearnt? #lrnchat
09:22:07 pm pretailers: RT @reward75 It would B good if it didn't misuse D english lang RT @jadekaz: @Dave_Ferguson I think D term has value in ID #lrnchat🙂
09:22:09 pm LandDDave: Q3) Expand the WIIFM. Learning WIIFM focuses on what to 'start'. Unlearning WIIFM needs to also include what to 'stop'. #lrnchat
09:22:09 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q3. The first step is recognizing you have a problem… #lrnchat
09:22:10 pm kelly_smith01: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:22:10 pm doctorjeff: I strive to recognize life as a journey, & interaction with the world as process, so that knowledge & its application can be fluid. #lrnchat
09:22:10 pm reward75: RT @sifowler: Q3) Scream, "FIRE! … Your platform is on FIRE!!!". Then, erm, no idea what to do next. #lrnchat
09:22:18 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @kristineshaheen: Q3) So, thats called teaching? For regular old Learning. With obstacles. #lrnchat
09:22:25 pm reward75: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:22:26 pm kristineshaheen: @reward75 Whooaa, grammar Nazi. :@P I share your pain. #lrnchat
09:22:31 pm cnagel: RT @kellygarber: Q3) Learning rehab #lrnchat That is it!!
09:22:39 pm jadekaz: Unbelievable😉 RT @Mary_a_Myers: any term that starts with un- I usually have to pause to figure what the true intent is. #lrnchat
09:22:48 pm jadekaz: RT @cnagel: RT @kellygarber: Q3) Learning rehab #lrnchat That is it!! #lrnchat
09:22:49 pm JustStormy: "Give learners specific guidance how 2cognitively manipulate information in ways that R consistent w/learning goals to save in LTM"#lrnchat
09:22:51 pm DanSpira: RT @jadekaz: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How can you help people "unlearn" and re-learn? #lrnchat
09:22:55 pm midquel:🙂 RT @urbie: @midquel when the syllable-to-words-ratio gets too high meaning becomes muddled; unlearn moment #42. #lrnchat
09:23:02 pm sifowler: Q3) Put chili-peppers in it. Then hand them an ice cold drink. #lrnchat
09:23:07 pm urbie: Q#3, unlearn BKM (best known method): put instruction out there then get out of the way and observe. refer to action research. #lrnchat
09:23:16 pm billcush: Q3) You help people unlearn and relearn by enabling them or encouraging them to "want to." #lrnchat Can't make them.
09:23:27 pm tigerlily300: Q3) First, encourage open minds… if someone isn't open to what's new, I don't think you'll get far. #lrnchat
09:23:31 pm DanSpira: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Q3. The first step is recognizing you have a problem… #lrnchat
09:23:32 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Mary_a_Myers In 20 minutes, someone will coin e-ulearning 2.0. And charge for it. #lrnchat
09:23:36 pm reward75: @kristineshaheen Not so much of a Nazi, I just prefer that it makes sense #lrnchat
09:23:36 pm Tim_M_Martin: EASY RT @KoreenOlbrish: Q3. The first step is recognizing you have a problem… #lrnchat
09:23:40 pm SuzNet: a new growth industry! RT @kellygarber: Q3) Learning rehab #lrnchat
09:23:42 pm odguru: The socratic method is great – wrk thru assumptions, clarifying concepts, rationale/reasons, alternative perspectives, consequences #lrnchat
09:23:42 pm sifowler: Q3) then I still don't know what to do next #lrnchat
09:23:55 pm KoreenOlbrish: Hi, my name is Koreen. A lot of the things I "know" and "do" are wrong. #lrnchat
09:23:55 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @jadekaz: Unbelievable😉 haha…ok not every time..but unmarketing; unconference etc….or maybe i just missed the memo. #lrnchat
09:23:55 pm LandDDave: Q3) I've also found that a little electro-shock therapy can accelerate unlearning. #lrnchat
09:24:02 pm DanSpira: #lrnchat @KoreenOlbrish Q3) …the second step is recognizing you need to do something about the problem…
09:24:08 pm doctorjeff: I think therefore I am, and …. I learn therefore I can unlearn #lrnchat
09:24:09 pm midquel: q3) first you have to understand the reasons for the current practices #lrnchat
09:24:13 pm doktadivah: I do have to side on the team anti-"unlearning" – this process falls under normal "adult learning" for me. #lrnchat
09:24:15 pm billcush: Q3) You help people unlearn and relearn by tapping somehow into their motivation to change behavior/take action. #lrnchat
09:24:15 pm sandymaxey: Beginner's mind= incredibly WISE man. Sclerotic mental models crumble RT@jonhusband I unlearned inappropriate / unearned hierarchy #lrnchat
09:24:21 pm JffZllr: Q3) Starts with challenging them with new idea, diff perspective, changed environment #lrnchat
09:24:22 pm kelly_smith01: Q3) Show difference between task to be unlearned & task to be learned (not sure if I buy that, yet.) #lrnchat
09:24:25 pm sandymaxey: RT @jonhusband: I unlearned inappropriate / unearned hierarchy #lrnchat
09:24:32 pm cnagel: Q3) Provide "best practice" advice often. Re-direct as often as possible. #lrnchat
09:24:37 pm tigerlily300: RT @billcush: Q3) You help people unlearn and relearn by tapping somehow into their motivation to change behavior/take action. #lrnchat
09:24:40 pm ThomasStone: @Mary_a_Myers Yeah, the negatives problem. Like antidisestablishmentarianism…. always noodle-food there. #lrnchat
09:24:40 pm odguru: @Dave_Ferguson or maybe social unlearning #lrnchat
09:24:59 pm urbie: Q#3, unlearn to use Flash-based instructional content in elearning. tends to look the same after a while. disservice to creativity. #lrnchat
09:25:04 pm JustStormy: RT @TomBierly: I have heard of "unlearning bad behaviors" though. Perhaps instead it should be said, "learning correct behaviors"? #lrnchat
09:25:04 pm sifowler: does that tap the emotional/motivational aspect of change? RT @odguru: The socratic method is great – #lrnchat
09:25:04 pm LauraMattis: Q3- I think people have to see the value in unlearning or relearning to be open/willing to #lrnchat
09:25:09 pm kristineshaheen: RT @doktadivah: I do have to side on the team anti-"unlearning" – this process falls under normal "adult learning" for me. #lrnchat
09:25:18 pm doctorjeff: @doktadivah so unlearning is really learning? #lrnchat
09:25:22 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @sandymaxey: RT @jonhusband: I unlearned inappropriate / unearned hierarchy #lrnchat
09:25:24 pm jadekaz: Q3) I think @JffZllr was right about it helping to present a transformative moment. A shocker. A heartbreaker. Gut wrenching. Weird #lrnchat
09:25:31 pm tigerlily300: Ditto for Kathy. RT @KoreenOlbrish: Hi, my name is Koreen. A lot of the things I "know" and "do" are wrong. #lrnchat
09:25:41 pm dbolen: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Hi, my name is Koreen. A lot of the things I "know" and "do" are wrong. first admit we have a problem #lrnchat
09:25:41 pm doktadivah: [Yep!]RT @midquel:🙂 RT @urbie: when the syllable-to-words-ratio gets too high meaning becomes muddled; unlearn moment #42. #lrnchat
09:25:46 pm JffZllr: Q3) Sometimes a good whack on the head would help the unlearning process! #lrnchat
09:25:49 pm unklar: @doctorjeff how 'bout "I learn, therefore I earn." #lrnchat
09:26:00 pm JustStormy: @TomBierly one question…who determines "correct" behaviors? Not sure i like that term either… #lrnchat
09:26:00 pm KoreenOlbrish: Ppl will only unlearn if what they know or are doing causes a problem. U won't unlearn something if its not negatively impacting u #lrnchat
09:26:00 pm kristineshaheen: @LauraMattis Deciding that is part of the #lrnchat
09:26:02 pm billcush: Exactly! RT @LandDDave: Q3) Expand the WIIFM. #lrnchat
09:26:04 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish amen'd and second'd for self. #lrnchat
09:26:06 pm kelly_smith01: RT @JffZllr: Q3) Sometimes a good whack on the head would help the unlearning process! #lrnchat
09:26:11 pm bschlenker: @koreenolbrish Hi Koreen ! thanks for sharing😉 #Lrnchat
09:26:15 pm DanSpira: #lrnchat Q3) to unlearn something, you need to regain control of that small space that exists between stimulus and response
09:26:17 pm JoanVinallCox: Show the easier, faster, cheaper, more effective way, & then laugh! #lrnchat
09:26:34 pm doktadivah: @doctorjeff So I've learned!🙂 #lrnchat
09:26:34 pm mizminh: the unlearning curve is mush! steeper than the learning curve – comfort zones & fear come into play with unlearning #lrnchat
09:26:48 pm oxala75: Koreen wins at learning. RT @KoreenOlbrish Hi, my name is Koreen. A lot of the things I "know" and "do" are wrong. #lrnchat
09:26:48 pm jadekaz: Q3) Rewards and a game. The solutions to everything. #lrnchat
09:26:56 pm doctorjeff: But the act of recognizing that you learned things wrong is good learning, is it not? #lrnchat
09:27:00 pm jadekaz: RT @mizminh: the unlearning curve is mush! steeper than the learning curve – comfort zones & fear come into play with unlearning #lrnchat
09:27:04 pm SuzNet: RT @unklar: @doctorjeff how bout "I learn, therefore I earn." #lrnchat
09:27:06 pm JustStormy: I like this: RT @doctorjeff: @doktadivah so unlearning is really learning? #lrnchat
09:27:06 pm ThomasStone: @Dave_Ferguson Some little known pseudo-vendor probably already has a patent on e-unlearning 2.0, and then they'll sue us all. #lrnchat
09:27:07 pm JffZllr: That assumes they aspire to competence… RT @KoreenOlbrish: Ppl will only unlearn if what they know or are doing causes a problem. #lrnchat
09:27:18 pm kristineshaheen: Q3) Is this whole debate like the optimistic / pessimist routine? Can you unlearn something without learning something new? #lrnchat
09:27:29 pm sifowler: Q3) social influence: surround them with people who are doing it a better/funner/quicker/successful behavior #lrnchat
09:27:29 pm billcush: @odguru: The socratic method gets a bum wrap. #lrnchat
09:27:37 pm mizminh: @KoreenOlbrish negative for whom? can be really negative for kids & right in the teacher's comfort zone #lrnchat
09:27:43 pm Dave_Ferguson: @ThomasStone A little-known vendor, or else, the iPad. #lrnchat
09:27:46 pm sillym0nkey: RT @jadekaz: Q3) Rewards and a game. The solutions to everything. #lrnchat
09:27:54 pm doktadivah: [*grin*] RT @odguru: @Dave_Ferguson or maybe social unlearning #lrnchat
09:27:55 pm KoreenOlbrish: @JffZllr maybe i should have said, causes a problem for them🙂 #lrnchat
09:27:55 pm JustStormy: lots of good discussion tonight #lrnchat
09:27:56 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @sifowler: Q3) social influence: surround them with people who are doing it a better/funner/quicker/successful behavior #lrnchat
09:27:58 pm reward75: RT @JustStormy: I like this: RT @doctorjeff: @doktadivah so unlearning is really learning?
09:29:31 pm sandymaxey: RT @jonhusband: RT @Dave_Ferguson Deference has drawbacks, so do arrogance and smug certitude. Esp if deployed by self-anointed “thought leaders.” #lrnchat
09:29:34 pm lasic: Rather than ‘unlearning’ (weasel word alert!) examine and leverage what you learn. #lrnchat
09:29:36 pm jkunrein: e-unlearning… sounds suspiciously like shock therapy. #lrnchat
09:29:46 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish frog in pot slowly heated: realization = major owie. can’t see the playing field from inside your rut? unlearn. #lrnchat
09:29:53 pm reward75: RT @kristineshaheen: RT @doctorjeff: Ok, definitions aside, I also side with …. unlearning is a bad name for good learning. #lrnchat
09:29:54 pm Mary_a_Myers: so remind me what why this matters? i feel like learning designers perform bouts of unlearning daily, but don’t neces call it this. #lrnchat
09:30:02 pm midquel: RT @kristineshaheen: RT @doctorjeff: Ok, definitions aside, I also side with …. unlearning is a bad name for good learning. #lrnchat
09:30:06 pm kelly_smith01: Still pondering Q1 and will stay up all night thinking of ramifications. #lrnchat
09:30:07 pm oxala75: @tigerlily300 so, unlearning is like baking? #lrnchat
09:30:08 pm doctorjeff: To be a good unlearner, u really need to teach, because only then do you realize how much you don’t know well, or don’t well know. #lrnchat
09:30:14 pm jkunrein: RT @sillym0nkey: RT @DanSpira: Q3) to unlearn something, you need 2 regain control of that small space between stimulus & response #lrnchat
09:30:14 pm tigerlily300: Is something you had to re-learn have more impact than something you easily learned once? #lrnchat
09:30:16 pm odguru: RT @doctorjeff: …. unlearning is a bad name for good learning.<Like that. Could also be known as "adaptation" #lrnchat
09:30:17 pm doktadivah: @doctorjeff Certainly, recognition of what you don't know triggers the dissonance where u choose to learn new, or stick with old #lrnchat
09:30:47 pm doctorjeff: @mizminh what can be shameful? #lrnchat
09:30:52 pm DanSpira: @kristineshaheen On the Internet, nobody knows you're a 12-year old boy (so, yes… I guess…) #lrnchat
09:30:58 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @doctorjeff: To be a good unlearner, u need to teach, b/c only then do u realize how much you dont know well, or dont well know. #lrnchat
09:31:00 pm doctorjeff: @kristineshaheen Ok, I am a bit tricky. #lrnchat
09:31:01 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @doctorjeff: To be a good unlearner, u really need to teach-only then do u realize how much u dont know well, or dont well know. #lrnchat
09:31:01 pm doktadivah: [Exactly. :)]RT @doctorjeff: Ok, definitions aside, I also side with …. unlearning is a bad name for good learning. #lrnchat
09:31:04 pm kristineshaheen: @urbie Nooo, learn the way out of the rut! Learn not to fall into holes! What are you "unlearning"? Still know how to get in a rut! #lrnchat
09:31:07 pm jadekaz: RT @doktadivah: @doctorjeff recognition of what you dont know triggers the dissonance where u choose to learn new or stick with old #lrnchat
09:31:13 pm Tim_M_Martin: I hate it when the soufflé falls RT @oxala75: @tigerlily300 so, unlearning is like baking? #lrnchat
09:31:22 pm jkunrein: or being hit over the head w/ an iPad RT @jkunrein: e-unlearning… sounds suspiciously like shock therapy. #lrnchat
09:31:26 pm JustStormy: LOL! I know it! RT @kelly_smith01: Still pondering Q1 and will stay up all night thinking of ramifications. #lrnchat
09:31:27 pm doctorjeff: RT @doktadivah: @doctorjeff Certainly, recognition of what you don't know triggers the dissonance where u choose to learn new, or stick with old #lrnchat
09:31:27 pm JffZllr: re: the brake/gas pedal switch, it is safe to assume it would take me longer to unlearn than it would my new 16 yr old driver? #lrnchat
09:31:43 pm sifowler: unlearning looks backward; learning looks forward RT @midquel @kristineshaheen @doctorjeff: unlearning bad name for good learning. #lrnchat
09:31:44 pm Tim_M_Martin: agree RT @Mary_a_Myers: so remind me what why this matters? i feel like learning designers perform bouts of unlearning daily, #lrnchat
09:31:52 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Does unlearning imply bad design for learning or learner performing poorly? #lrnchat
09:31:53 pm kristineshaheen: Creepy, @DanSpira , creepy. #creepymccreepersonaward :@P #lrnchat
09:31:59 pm tigerlily300: @oxala75🙂 If the souffl√© doesn't want to rise… #lrnchat
09:32:09 pm LandDDave: I think Unlearn implies more. Learning to drive and unlearning to drive are different. The second implies a paradigm shift. #lrnchat
09:32:16 pm Mary_a_Myers: @ThomasStone exactly! i stumble every time…and then i just get kinda frustrated and move on to other things…🙂 #lrnchat
09:32:22 pm JffZllr: Unlearning doesn't automatically assume bad learning… situation may have evolved and new skills r needed #lrnchat
09:32:29 pm doctorjeff: Teaching is actually a gift, because it puts u in touch with a greater reality, and passes that gift to the next generation. #lrnchat
09:32:40 pm doktadivah: [Ha! :)]RT @tigerlily300: @oxala75🙂 If the souffl√© doesnt want to rise… #lrnchat
09:32:43 pm jkunrein: i think it would RT @JffZllr: re: the brake/gas pedal switch would take me longer to unlearn than it would my new 16 yr old driver? #lrnchat
09:32:43 pm reward75: RT @Mary_a_Myers: so remind me what why this matters? i feel like learning designers perform bouts of unlearning daily, #lrnchat
09:32:47 pm sillym0nkey: RT @JffZllr: Unlearning doesn't automatically assume bad learning… situation may have evolved and new skills r needed #lrnchat
09:32:54 pm JoanVinallCox: The reason we have an inefficient layout to keyboards is that people can't unlearn the typing pattern they 1st learned #lrnchat
09:32:55 pm JffZllr: @kelly_smith01 No… situation may have change #lrnchat
09:32:57 pm odguru: @kelly_smith01 I think it's more about negotiating through progressive contexts. Setting some stuff aside when it no longer works. #lrnchat
09:32:59 pm kristineshaheen: Yes, it's a big optimist / pessimist debate! RT @sifowler: unlearning looks backward; learning looks forward #lrnchat
09:33:01 pm KoreenOlbrish: isn't unlearning really just change management? #lrnchat
09:33:11 pm DanSpira: RT @jkunrein: e-unlearning… sounds suspiciously like shock therapy. #lrnchat <LOL..!. Hmmm… self-directed e-unlearning?
09:33:12 pm urbie: @tigerlily300 back in my day we had "brontosaurus-es". you don't have to look far to see examples of un-learning in action. #lrnchat
09:33:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: Is reflecting unparticipation? Is note-taking unbrainstorming? Is focusing on work unnetworking? #lrnchat
09:33:24 pm billcush: Good point. I have felt that way as a learner. RT @odguru Can still be misinterpreted as "guess the answer I had in mind" #lrnchat
09:33:36 pm odguru: RT @JffZllr: Unlearning doesnt automatically assume bad learning… situation may have evolved and new skills r needed #lrnchat
09:33:40 pm jadekaz: Many people spend their adulthoods trying to unlearn the habits of their parents. Never works. The traits always come out. #lrnchat
09:33:40 pm doktadivah: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Is reflecting unparticipation? Is note-taking unbrainstorming? Is focusing on work unnetworking? #lrnchat
09:33:43 pm sillym0nkey: RT @DanSpira: RT @jkunrein: e-unlearning… sounds suspiciously like shock therapy. #lrnchat <LOL..!. Hmmm… self-directed e-unlearning?
09:33:47 pm kelly_smith01: @JffZllr I mostly agree that it is new tasks/process/context which prompts unlearning #lrnchat
09:34:01 pm ThomasStone: @Mary_a_Myers Your comment about negatives and such reminded me of a second Simpsons reference for tonight's #lrnchat
09:34:05 pm kellygarber: I'm working on my new title ..uninstructional destructionist
#lrnchat
09:34:10 pm doctorjeff: SO I think the ability to unlearn is …. a blessing. And is a testament to the remarkable abilities of the human mind. #lrnchat
09:34:11 pm kristineshaheen: Could, don't. RT @JoanVinallCox: we have an inefficient layout to keyboards is people cant unlearn typing pattern they 1st learned #lrnchat
09:34:22 pm doktadivah: @urbie Yes! Shrimp, not shrimps!!!!!!! #pedant #lrnchat
09:34:24 pm reward75: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Is reflecting unparticipation? Is note-taking unbrainstorming? Is focusing on work unnetworking? #lrnchat
09:34:24 pm oxala75: @doktadivah @tigerlilly300 …aaaand that's this week's catchphrase. #lrnchat
09:34:45 pm billcush: Giddy Up! RT @KoreenOlbrish @doctorjeff: To be a good unlearner..need to teach-only then do u realize how much u dont know. #lrnchat
09:34:45 pm ThomasStone: Classic Prof. Frink: Unshrink you? Well that would require some sort of a Rebigulator which is a concept so ridiculous… #lrnchat
09:34:52 pm jadekaz: RT @kellygarber: Im working on my new title ..uninstructional destructionist #lrnchat
09:34:52 pm doktadivah: I will NOT unlearn the grammar I grew up with. #lrnchat
09:34:57 pm odguru: RT@sillym0nkey RT @DanSpira: RT @jkunrein: e-unlearning… sounds suspiciously like shock therapy. #lrnchat
09:35:01 pm LauraMattis: RT @doctorjeff: SO I think the ability to unlearn is a blessing. And is a testament to the remarkable abilities of the human mind. #lrnchat
09:35:04 pm kristineshaheen: @oxala75 lol Aw, what's the catchphrase? #lrnchat
09:35:05 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @ThomasStone: @Mary_a_Myers Your comment about negatives and such reminded me of a second Simpsons reference for tonights <share #lrnchat
09:35:08 pm cammybean: @JoanVinallCox I type really fast on qwerty. I don't have a reason to learn something different there. #lrnchat
09:35:09 pm oxala75: @kellygarber or instructional demolitionist #lrnchat
09:35:09 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish i don't think so. change management = organizational. unlearning is more individual. everybody knows what they know. #lrnchat
09:35:12 pm JoanVinallCox: Keyboards designed so long arms w/ letters wouldn't cross & mesh – we still use that layout yet others are better designed #lrnchat
09:35:21 pm kristineshaheen: @doktadivah Learn to codeswitch? #lrnchat
09:35:31 pm bschlenker: I spent most of my professional life UnLearning most of my academic life – go figure #Lrnchat
09:35:46 pm billcush: Ha! RT @kellygarber: I'm working on my new title ..uninstructional destructionist #lrnchat
09:35:51 pm JustStormy: RT @TomBierly-I think the word seems 2 reflect the content&context in which it's being learned-not so much the process of learning #lrnchat
09:35:58 pm sillym0nkey: RT @bschlenker: I spent most of my professional life UnLearning most of my academic life – go figure #Lrnchat #lrnchat
09:35:58 pm kristineshaheen: @JoanVinallCox Definitely know people who can type on multiple layouts. Like learning multiple languages. Hard but possible. #lrnchat
09:35:59 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @jadekaz: RT @kellygarber: Im working on my new title ..uninstructional destructionist <<going to be my new title! fun #lrnchat
09:36:09 pm Tim_M_Martin: RT @bschlenker: I spent most of my professional life UnLearning most of my academic life – go figure #Lrnchat
09:36:20 pm doctorjeff: @sifowler not sure I totally agree … but interestng pt! Unlearning is in the here&now … as new experiences meet old perceptions #lrnchat
09:36:22 pm urbie: unlearning wish list item #1: that the powers-that-be where i work will re-think why males have to wear ties. #lrnchat
09:36:22 pm ThomasStone: nice! RT @kellygarber: I'm working on my new title ..uninstructional destructionist #lrnchat
09:36:23 pm kristineshaheen: @bschlenker But those rules would still apply to academic life? #lrnchat
09:36:27 pm DanSpira: @JustStormy Parents with multiple children are learning and unlearning constantly with each year and life stage #lrnchat
09:36:28 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean It's also just about impossible to be bi-keyboardal (qwerty & dvorak). Dvorak, the Beta videotape of the typing world. #lrnchat
09:36:31 pm doktadivah: [Just ask Dr. Doofenshmirtz!]RT @ThomasStone: Classic Prof. Frink: Unshrink you? that would require some sort of a Rebigulator… #lrnchat
09:36:34 pm tigerlily300: RT @odguru: RT @JffZllr: Unlearning doesnt automatically assume bad learning… #lrnchat
09:36:38 pm kristineshaheen: lol! RT @kellygarber: Im working on my new title ..uninstructional destructionist <<going to be my new title! fun #lrnchat
09:36:39 pm LandDDave: Regardless of the label, the learning objectives are different if breaking an unconscious habit is required on top of a new skill. #lrnchat
09:36:43 pm jadekaz: I learned how to mouse with other hand. Not impossible. Just takes work. RT @JoanVinallCox: people cant unlearn the typing pattern #lrnchat
09:36:47 pm everyselearning: RT @bschlenker: I spent most of my professional life UnLearning most of my academic life – go figure #lrnchat
09:36:48 pm reward75: Awesome! RT @kellygarber: Im working on my new title ..uninstructional destructionist #lrnchat
09:36:49 pm sifowler: really? you unlearned it? RT @bschlenker: I spent most of my professional life UnLearning most of my academic life – go figure #lrnchat
09:36:49 pm KoreenOlbrish: @urbie i don't know…i feel like its individuals unwilling to unlearn past behaviors that is at the heart of change mgmt #lrnchat
09:37:13 pm urbie: @bschlenker with me it's the opposite: getting my formal education later in life makes me confront useless knowledge daily. #lrnchat
09:37:24 pm kristineshaheen: @Dave_Ferguson Is it possible to a certain speed? #lrnchat
09:37:34 pm kelly_smith01: RT @kellygarber: Im working on my new title ..uninstructional destructionist <–You wanna talk 'bout destruction – count me out #lrnchat
09:37:34 pm jadekaz: RT @LandDDave: Regardless of the label, learning objectives are different if breaking an unconscious habit on top of a new skill #lrnchat
09:37:37 pm doctorjeff: The fact we can unlearn also means there is hope for us … hope to recognize that notions we have about each other can be wrong. #lrnchat
09:37:41 pm irasocol: @JoanVinallCox just typing with thumbs is better, but good results with Dvorak for LD kids #lrnchat
09:37:42 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kristineshaheen I switch between English & US-Internat'l key mapping (for French). It's a hard shift (pun intended)… #lrnchat
09:37:47 pm KoreenOlbrish: i'm stealing that. just sayin' RT @reward75: Awesome! RT @kellygarber: Im working on my new title ..uninstructional destructionist #lrnchat
09:37:52 pm JustStormy: @DanSpira I just can't agree to the term UNlearning…you may just not use it…but you don't forget it or unlearn it. #lrnchat #justsayin
09:37:54 pm oxala75: @Dave_Ferguson @cammybean or, uh, HD-DVD? #lrnchat
09:38:04 pm kristineshaheen: @Dave_Ferguson I would think that you could do it, but maybe not to the point where it's automatic behaviour without much practise. #lrnchat
09:38:09 pm LauraMattis: I gotta run, thx for the great #lrnchat
09:38:11 pm mizminh: @doctorjeff acknowledging what you thought you knew is 'wrong' – elements of humiliation for lots of folx #lrnchat
09:38:17 pm JffZllr: Got to ge… great discussion tonight. Thanks everyone! – Jeff Zoller, Learning Consultant, Columbus OH #lrnchat
09:38:27 pm reward75: Not really, I know this applies to this one and that applies to that one @DanSpira: @JustStormy Parents with multiple children #lrnchat
09:38:29 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish it's part of the frog/pot syndrome. when change is mandated from outside don't people dig in? #lrnchat
09:38:29 pm hjarche: Seems unlearning is a natural phenomenon: neuroplasticity http://is.gd/bkQXa #lrnchat
09:38:29 pm doktadivah: @kristineshaheen Perhaps, but emotionally attached to this schema.🙂 #lrnchat
09:38:34 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kristineshaheen I type 85 wpm in English. Typing is an overlearned psychomotor skill; I'll never hit an accurate 45 wpm in French. #lrnchat
09:38:42 pm tigerlily300: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @urbie i feel like its individuals unwilling to unlearn past behaviors that is at the heart of change mgmt #lrnchat
09:38:44 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @irasocol: @JoanVinallCox just typing with thumbs is better, but good results with Dvorak for LD kids – 1st learned-hard to un #lrnchat
09:38:51 pm kristineshaheen: @Dave_Ferguson Ok, so you have to use your brain to do it, but you obviously Learned both and still know both? #lrnchat
09:38:53 pm pedepede2: Is it unlearning or replacing with better ideas and methods? Part of unlearning is persuading that there is another truth. #lrnchat #lrnchat
09:38:54 pm dbolen: @Dave_Ferguson dvorak betamax yeah "better" but not accepted #lrnchat
09:38:56 pm kelly_smith01: @JffZllr Don't unleave #lrnchat
09:39:15 pm mizminh: @Dave_Ferguson don't think I was there but been in a few other classes (&staff rooms) #lrnchat🙂
09:39:18 pm jadekaz: I love neuroplasticity. Amazing stuff. RT @hjarche: Seems unlearning is a natural phenomenon: neuroplasticity http://is.gd/bkQXa #lrnchat
09:39:21 pm doctorjeff: The name 'unlearn' I think is rather unimportant – but the concept is one of the most **powerful** drivers of human exploration. #lrnchat
09:39:21 pm Tim_M_Martin: Did we unlearn how to live in tribes and neighborhoods when we joined twitter #lrnchat
09:39:26 pm sifowler: @doctorjeff agree, what's the here&now that reveals some[past behavior]thing needs to unlearned? that's Q3 I guess #lrnchat
09:39:31 pm ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda, in Empire Strikes Back. Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term. QED. #lrnchat
09:39:41 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @hjarche: Seems unlearning is a natural phenomenon: neuroplasticity http://is.gd/bkQXa – often 1 of the benefits of LD #lrnchat
09:39:42 pm kristineshaheen: @Dave_Ferguson Ok, behaviour at the point where it's stored in nerve endings, that I might buy. #lrnchat
09:39:52 pm SueSchnorr: I'm here…. crashing this party … unfashionably late… signing on just in time to see Kelly's great new def for ID! #lrnchat
09:40:04 pm bschlenker: What I mean is that most of the knowledge form my academic life was far outdated and not needed in my corporate life #Lrnchat
09:40:06 pm jadekaz: RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda, in Empire Strikes Back. Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term. QED. #lrnchat
09:40:12 pm KoreenOlbrish: FTW! RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda, in Empire Strikes Back. Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term. QED #lrnchat
09:40:15 pm SuzNet: brain is a wonderful thing RT @hjarche: Seems unlearning is a natural phenomenon: neuroplasticity http://is.gd/bkQXa #lrnchat
09:40:16 pm DanSpira: @JustStormy This could be semantics. I take "unlearn" to mean shifting out of autopilot mode. #lrnchat
09:40:17 pm midquel: RT @urbie: @KoreenOlbrish it's part of the frog/pot syndrome. when change is mandated from outside don't people dig in? #lrnchat
09:40:20 pm tigerlily300:🙂 RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda, in Empire Strikes Back. Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term. QED. #lrnchat
09:40:26 pm sandymaxey: RT @hjarche: Seems unlearning is a natural phenomenon: neuroplasticity http://is.gd/bkQXa #lrnchat
09:40:32 pm Dave_Ferguson: @urbie Fast Company's consultant debunking unit asked, "How many frogs have you yourself observed in a pot of slowly-heated water?" #lrnchat
09:40:35 pm JffZllr: Amen! RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda, in Empire Strikes Back. Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term.QED. #lrnchat
09:40:39 pm JustStormy: Merriam Webster says UNLEARN: 1 : to put out of one's knowledge or memory2 : to undo the effect of : discard the habit of #lrnchat
09:40:42 pm doctorjeff: Our views of our world &universe have dramatically evolved. The evolution of those ideas have provided humility to those willing 2c #lrnchat
09:40:53 pm LandDDave: If Yoda said it, it's fact. Case Closed. RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda, #lrnchat
09:40:53 pm kristineshaheen: @bschlenker I found that, too. And the wrong skillset. #lrnchat
09:40:54 pm sillym0nkey: RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." Yoda, n Empire Strikes Back. Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term. QED. #lrnchat
09:40:58 pm DanSpira: RT @jadekaz: RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda, in Empire Strikes Back. Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term. QED. #lrnchat
09:40:59 pm jkunrein: the master has spoken. RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda. Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term. #lrnchat
09:41:00 pm cammybean: @hjarche It's not unlearning so much as rewiring… #lrnchat
09:41:03 pm odguru: RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda<Damn – Floyd, Simpsons and now Yoda. Ur a name dropper tonight! #lrnchat
09:41:14 pm JffZllr: @tmiket Missed a good #lrnchat tonight. Hope your discussion this AM was as good!
09:41:16 pm lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
09:41:25 pm SuzNet: @SueSchnorr sorry to see the tigers got badgered #lrnchat
09:41:26 pm Mary_a_Myers: @bschlenker you reminded me of John Holt and unschooling, which is a term i understand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling #lrnchat
09:41:27 pm jadekaz: What has #lrnchat made you unlearn? I'm still trying on the Next button. #lrnchat
09:41:31 pm jadekaz: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
09:41:36 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
09:41:44 pm urbie: @sillym0nkey from Yoda's own lips. gotta be true. the cineverse don't lie. #lrnchat
09:41:44 pm tigerlily300: Unlearned or forgotten?RT @bschlenker: most of the knowledge form my academic life was far outdated and not needed #lrnchat
09:41:46 pm sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
09:41:49 pm bschlenker: "Unlearn your old ways you will young skywalker – your fears you will face" #Lrnchat
09:41:57 pm LandDDave: Great… Somehow George Lucas is making money from #lrnchat! RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda #lrnchat
09:41:58 pm DanSpira: RT @hjarche: Seems unlearning is a natural phenomenon: neuroplasticity http://is.gd/bkQXa #lrnchat
09:42:02 pm JustStormy: @DanSpira You're right…I'm just being special. I hate the thought of "unlearning"…#lrnchat
09:42:08 pm tigerlily300: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
09:42:08 pm marciamarcia: Quick break from #lrnchat to unlearn I'm the most stretched gal on earth & relearn why I love working with @pistachio (who wins the title).
09:42:11 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kristineshaheen Just an opinion, but switch bet qwerty & Dvorak much more complicate than switch between std / auto transmission. #lrnchat
09:42:25 pm LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
09:42:27 pm sifowler: Q4) email as the only way of communicating #lrnchat
09:42:32 pm kristineshaheen: Still think this is normal learning. RT @hjarche: Seems unlearning is a natural phenomenon: neuroplasticity http://is.gd/bkQXa #lrnchat
09:42:32 pm doctorjeff: @mizminh those folks r poor learners, & don't understand the wondrous act of learning. But they can … learn, & teachers cn lead. #lrnchat
09:42:33 pm everyselearning: @SuzNet but it's a nice relief from all the badgering Tiger has been getting! #lrnchat
09:42:33 pm reward75: I surrender🙂 RT @ThomasStone: Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term. #lrnchat
09:42:35 pm JustStormy: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
09:42:37 pm JffZllr: Q4) Unlearn 'immediate verbal attack' Relearn: Manners #lrnchat
09:42:37 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q4. Society? wow…ok, let's think big. Classrooms as where learning happens. There. I said it. #lrnchat
09:42:38 pm sillym0nkey: Q4 i would like to see trng mgrs take more risk and stop with the rapid development already #lrnchat
09:42:40 pm SueSchnorr: @SuzNet Oh, bummer. I spoke at an event tonight & just got home. #lrnchat
09:42:44 pm tigerlily300: Q4) Unlearn that idea that training = learning. #lrnchat
09:42:48 pm Dave_Ferguson: @bschlenker "If you're so freakin' wise, Green Guy, learn to speak the other person's language. Subject, verb, object." #lrnchat
09:43:03 pm bschlenker: @tigerlily300 Un-necessary and therefore not applied and therefore ignored – and mostly forgotten #Lrnchat
09:43:09 pm kristineshaheen: @Dave_Ferguson I wouldn't know. #lrnchat
09:43:09 pm LandDDave: Q4) I'd love to see society unlearn racism, sexism, or any other bias. #lrnchat
09:43:10 pm kelly_smith01: Did Yoda ever finish that PhD.? Or did he just wax phrases all the time? #lrnchat
09:43:13 pm ThomasStone: @odguru Yes, I'm doing #lrnchat tonight in Mystery Science Theatre 3000 mode.🙂
09:43:19 pm jkunrein: Q4) in MANY organizations… unlearn unwillingness to unlearn/relearn. #lrnchat
09:43:20 pm DanSpira: RT @LandDDave: Regardless of the label, the learning objectives are different if breaking an unconscious habit is required on top of a new skill. #lrnchat
09:43:31 pm sillym0nkey: RT @tigerlily300: Q4) Unlearn that idea that training = learning. #lrnchat
09:43:31 pm JffZllr: @KoreenOlbrish I'd say we learn a lot from movies, tv, etc… too #lrnchat
09:43:33 pm JustStormy: RT @bschlenker: "Unlearn your old ways you will young skywalker – your fears you will face" #Lrnchat
09:43:38 pm jadekaz: Q4) Authority rules #lrnchat
09:43:38 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @kristineshaheen opinion, but switch bet qwerty & Dvorak more complicate than switch b/wn std/auto transmission. #lrnchat
09:43:39 pm marciamarcia: RT @Mary_a_Myers: @bschlenker you reminded me of John Holt and unschooling, which is a term i understand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unschooling #lrnchat
09:43:50 pm sifowler: Q4) learn to be willing to learn & then use the right tool for the right job #lrnchat
09:43:55 pm odguru: I would like *people* to adapt away from negativity. Look inside for the solution – "we are "they" people!" #lrnchat
09:43:55 pm doktadivah: Neuroplasticity is the reason we are fascinated with the brain and learning, no? #lrnchat
09:44:02 pm Dave_Ferguson: -@odguru Don't get me started on the mythical "Eskimo words for 'snow.' " #lrnchat
09:44:06 pm sillym0nkey: Yoda didn't need a PHD – some "people" don't need it #lrnchat
09:44:13 pm midquel: q4) Thing that needs to be unlearned….in baltimore if u are unhappy with direction you are driving, common practice is backing up #lrnchat
09:44:16 pm oxala75: @sillym0nkey Yes, me too, but…yeah. Rapid development is a boulder that hasn't yet hit bottom #lrnchat
09:44:17 pm LandDDave: Q4) I'd like to see orgs unlearn the concept that learning is event-based and relearn that it is a process. #lrnchat
09:44:25 pm tigerlily300: Q4) The habit of waiting to be told what to learn. Replace with more personal drive to learn. #lrnchat
09:44:27 pm SueSchnorr: RT @LandDDave: Q4) I'd love to see society unlearn racism, sexism, or any other bias. #lrnchat
09:44:32 pm DanSpira: still needs to unlearn checking into #lrnchat on a Thursday night when deadlines are looming
09:44:32 pm mizminh: Our scoiety, school & families have low low expectations around the competence & capabilities of kids – change – unlearn lowness #lrnchat
09:44:39 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q4. in orgs, "because that's the way we do things." Learn to challenge beliefs/processes. Always question why. #lrnchat
09:44:40 pm midquel: RT @LandDDave: Q4) I'd like to see orgs unlearn the concept that learning is event-based and relearn that it is a process. #lrnchat
09:44:41 pm odguru: @doktadivah It feeds our sense of limitless or near limitless possibilities for ourselves. #lrnchat
09:44:43 pm rickzanotti: @kelly_smith01 Yoda was beyond school. He was one with the force.🙂 #lrnchat
09:44:46 pm kelly_smith01: RT @LandDDave: Q4) Id like to see orgs unlearn the concept that learning is event-based and relearn that it is a process. #lrnchat
09:44:47 pm tigerlily300: RT @LandDDave: Q4) Id like to see orgs unlearn the concept that learning is event-based and relearn that it is a process. #lrnchat
09:44:48 pm kristineshaheen: @JoanVinallCox Can't drive standard or type Dvorak, wouldn't know. #lrnchat
09:44:52 pm BigBrother323: @#lrnchat 4 ..uninsturctional consructionalist…this talk reminds me that my future bride is my former xwife!
09:44:52 pm JustStormy: RT @JffZllr: @KoreenOlbrish I'd say we learn a lot from movies, tv, etc… too #lrnchat But how can we determine if they are valid?
09:45:05 pm everyselearning: @sifowler ah the right tool for the right job… What utopia do you live in? #lrnchat
09:45:06 pm tigerlily300: Yes! RT @LandDDave: Q4) Id like to see orgs unlearn the concept that learning is event-based and relearn that it is a process. #lrnchat
09:45:14 pm sillym0nkey: & foster it !RT @tigerlily300: Q4) The habit of waiting 2 be told what 2 learn. Replace with more personal drive to learn. #lrnchat
09:45:21 pm dbolen: Q4 unlearn that good things can be created somewhere else #lrnchat
09:45:26 pm odguru: RT @rickzanotti: @kelly_smith01 And how do you know Yoda didn't have several doctorates? #lrnchat
09:45:43 pm sifowler: Isn't he the 'self-appointed authority' (re. deference)? RT @sillym0nkey: Yoda didnt need a PHD – some "people" dont need it #lrnchat
09:45:48 pm kristineshaheen: Q4) Unlearn (forget) multitasking. Relearn slow cooking, handwashing dishes, cards by the fire. #lrnchat
09:45:49 pm JustStormy: haha…but you had valid input-it was worth it!RT @DanSpira: still needs to unlearn checking into #lrnchat when deadlines are looming
09:45:55 pm urbie: Q#4, oblique response.. un-learn needs help from the letter "f". un-learning should be deeply personal. you gotta want to do it bad #lrnchat
09:45:58 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @kristineshaheen: @JoanVinallCox Cant drive standard or type Dvorak, wouldnt know.Just guessing about Dvorak, lrned standard 1st #lrnchat
09:46:00 pm pedepede2: I'd like organisations to unlearn the idea that only mgrs contribute. Ideas come from anywhere and from unlikely people. #lrnchat #lrnchat
09:46:12 pm Dave_Ferguson: -@odguru Yoda certainly talked like he had tenure. #lrnchat
09:46:15 pm rickzanotti: @LandDDave as humans, I doubt we will ever completely erase the negative from our psyches. One cannot force enlightened thought #lrnchat
09:46:19 pm doctorjeff: @mizminh Yes, if we would listen to our children more, we might see they may not have the vocabulary but their ideas are stunning. #lrnchat
09:46:26 pm ThomasStone: Yeah, Yoda had some Confucius/Nietzsche RT @kelly_smith01: Did Yoda ever finish that PhD.? Or did he just wax phrases all the time? #lrnchat
09:46:32 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @Dave_Ferguson: -@odguru Yoda certainly talked like he had tenure. #lrnchat
09:46:34 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @sillym0nkey: Yoda didnt need a PHD – some "people" dont need it << yoda became a master via mentoring/coaching/the jedi guild #lrnchat
09:46:38 pm midquel: RT @doktadivah: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Is reflecting unparticipation? Is note-taking unbrainstorming? Is focusing on work unnetworking? #lrnchat
09:46:38 pm sifowler: @everyselearning It's called LaLa Land. It's a beautiful place! Come, join!🙂 #lrnchat
09:46:42 pm kelly_smith01: @odguru Looked him op on Dissertaions Abstract #lrnchat
09:46:54 pm sillym0nkey: how about the slow foods movement and the slow training movement #lrnchat
09:46:54 pm hjarche: Is it possible for an instructional designer to unlearn ADDIE ? (BTW, where is my undead buddy?) #lrnchat
09:46:56 pm doktadivah: Q4: The idea that training and learning (in the learning sciences sense) are mutually exclusive. Academics & trainers CAN coexist. #lrnchat
09:46:58 pm billcush: Q4) Society should unlearn that education is a right..and should learn that it is a privilege that should be earned. #lrnchat
09:47:10 pm everyselearning: @kristineshaheen it's the automatic dishwasher that allows me the luxury of cards by the fire #lrnchat
09:47:10 pm tigerlily300: Or that only outside consultants have valuable insights. RT @dbolen: Q4 unlearn that good things can be created somewhere else #lrnchat
09:47:10 pm kristineshaheen: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Is reflecting unparticipation? Is note-taking unbrainstorming? Is focusing on work unnetworking? #lrnchat
09:47:23 pm sillym0nkey: RT @hjarche: Is it possible for an instructional designer to unlearn ADDIE ? (BTW, where is my undead buddy?) #lrnchat
09:47:23 pm kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
09:47:24 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish is it enough to question why? might it help to have an idea or two to try? get dialog going. generate some heat. #lrnchat
09:47:25 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @hjarche: Is it possible for an instructional designer to unlearn ADDIE ? (BTW, where is my undead buddy?) #lrnchat
09:47:28 pm odguru: @kelly_smith01 Oh – ok then. #lrnchat
09:47:36 pm jkunrein: @kelly_smith01 i'm gonna feel silly arguing star wars here, but Yoda is a master. shows at least as much proficiency as a PhD. #lrnchat
09:47:41 pm rickzanotti: @odguru Yoda was too smart…😉 #lrnchat
09:47:44 pm LandDDave: Q4) I'd like to see everyone unlearn the word BUT and relearn to use AND instead. #lrnchat
09:47:48 pm everyselearning: @sifowler I plugged la la land into my GPS and it said it doesn't exist! #lrnchat
09:47:51 pm doctorjeff: @Mary_a_Myers well Ph.D. can stand for Piled High and Deep. Ph.D. isn't a lock on smart. #lrnchat
09:47:53 pm reward75: Unlearn that not all wise ppl have PhDs RT @kelly_smith01: Did Yoda ever finish that PhD.? Or did he just wax phrases all the time? #lrnchat
09:47:54 pm JoanVinallCox: Q4 Like to see people unlearn watching shows that glorify bullying & then plan courses to stop kids doing it. #lrnchat
09:48:03 pm KoreenOlbrish: @hjarche you know, maybe we could figure out who your dead buddy is with process of elimination… #lrnchat
09:48:04 pm kristineshaheen: @everyselearning lol Fair! Keep the worthwhile technology, you're right. #lrnchat
09:48:09 pm Tim_M_Martin: Yes but he had tenure of knowledge not random employment RT @Dave_Ferguson: -@odguru Yoda certainly talked like he had tenure. #lrnchat
09:48:23 pm billcush: Good one. RT @LandDDave: Q4) I'd like to see everyone unlearn the word BUT and relearn to use AND instead. #lrnchat
09:48:27 pm odguru: @jkunrein: @kelly_smith01 so you're saying it's more of an honorary doctorate situation… #lrnchat
09:48:29 pm mmneder: #lrnchat Its part of the human condition. We have to unlearn past misconceptions. Look at history…
09:48:37 pm GaryBrannigan: We must become aware of and control what has been controlling us #lrnchat
09:48:39 pm sifowler: @everyselearning lalalalalala! #lrnchat
09:48:57 pm doctorjeff: @everyselearning (it actually does, your GPS is not taking into account General Relativistic effects correctly.) #lrnchat
09:49:09 pm rickzanotti: @DoktaDivah yes, they CAN coexist. Problem is much that is ART is taken as science… #lrnchat
09:49:17 pm LandDDave: Q4) I’d also like to unlearn the existence of Star Wars Prequels and relearn that Star Wars ended with Return of the Jedi.🙂 #lrnchat
09:49:17 pm dbolen: RT @mmneder: #lrnchat Its part of the human condition. We have to unlearn past misconceptions. Look at history… #lrnchat
09:49:17 pm doctorjeff: RT @mmneder: #lrnchat Its part of the human condition. We have to unlearn past misconceptions. Look at history…
09:49:30 pm mizminh: @doctorjeff Yes & give them the space to find challenges & you don’t need a MRI to see the connections snapping togther #lrnchat
09:49:31 pm sillym0nkey: Elimination? how? RT @KoreenOlbrish: @hjarche u know, mayb we cd figure out who ur dead buddy is w/ process of elimination #lrnchat
09:49:40 pm hjarche: @doktadivah my thoughts on training vs education http://is.gd/bkRDO way back when, FWIW #lrnchat
09:49:46 pm tigerlily300: Q4) Like to see less cynicism and more benefit of the doubt. #lrnchat
09:49:54 pm odguru: RT@Dave_Ferguson Don’t get me started on the mythical “Eskimo words for ‘snow.’ ” Hahaha I would love to hear that rant. #lrnchat
09:50:00 pm kelly_smith01: @hjarche Don’t think I will unlearn ADDIE just have a bias to Dick/Carey and Merrill & stuff I make up #lrnchat
09:50:04 pm everyselearning: @doctorjeff again with the “right tool” I see.. #lrnchat
09:50:13 pm hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish there are a few key suspects in the lineup #lrnchat
09:50:14 pm sifowler: RT @tigerlily300: Q4) Like to see less cynicism and more benefit of the doubt. #lrnchat
09:50:20 pm jkunrein: @odguru No… I’d call Jedi trials more than an “honorary” degree. (See? I told you I was gonna feel silly…) #lrnchat
09:50:21 pm odguru: RT @hjarche: @doktadivah my thoughts on training vs education http://is.gd/bkRDO way back when, FWIW #lrnchat
09:50:21 pm sillym0nkey: RT @hjarche: @doktadivah my thoughts on training vs education http://is.gd/bkRDO way back when, FWIW #lrnchat
09:50:31 pm Mary_a_Myers: funny how often it always comes back to star wars…what did we do before 1977? #lrnchat
09:50:33 pm pedepede2: Awareness rather than unlearning RT @GaryBrannigan: We must become aware of and control what has been controlling us #lrnchat #lrnchat
09:50:33 pm KoreenOlbrish: you know, you people are swimming deep in it tonight…and who’s drinking? ADDIE has been thrown out there…bottoms up🙂 #lrnchat
09:50:43 pm sillysillyson: @kelly_smith01 i’m gonna feel silly arguing star wars here, but Yoda is a master. shows at least as much proficiency as a PhD. #lrnchat
09:50:53 pm mizminh: @billcush BUT I love but #lrnchat
09:51:00 pm hjarche: @kelly_smith01 don’t forget Mager (hard for me to unlearn) #lrnchat
09:51:08 pm moehlert: OK #lrnchat, so what did I miss?😉
09:51:11 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
09:51:14 pm sillym0nkey: i wasn’t born yet <RT @Mary_a_Myers: funny how often it always comes back to star wars…what did we do before 1977? #lrnchat
09:51:38 pm billcush: Q4) Organizations need to unlearn the idea that people exist to service at the pleasure of the organization. #lrnchat
09:51:39 pm GaryBrannigan: Awareness is the first step in control…and change. #lrnchat
09:51:41 pm kellygarber: RT @KoreenOlbrish: you people are swimming deep in it tonight…and whos drinking? ADDIE has been thrown out there..bottoms up🙂 #lrnchat
09:51:45 pm odguru: @jkunrein It's ok Judy… you simply are unlearning being dignified on the web (the "internet is forever" web)🙂 #lrnchat
09:51:48 pm doctorjeff: @hjarche your post addresses free choice learning vs controlled learning, and is also diff between training technicians vs artists. #lrnchat
09:51:48 pm billcush: HA! RT @mizminh: @billcush BUT I love but #lrnchat
09:51:50 pm reward75: ADDIE's not here 2nite, who else is missing? RT @hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish there are a few key suspects in the lineup #lrnchat
09:51:51 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: FTW! RT @ThomasStone: "You must unlearn what you have learned." — Yoda, Ergo, "unlearn" a valid term. QED #lrnchat
09:51:53 pm sifowler: @moehlert unlearning is learning #lrnchat
09:51:55 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert Pink Floyd, Simpsons, Star Wars/Yoda…and some frogs in a pot. #lrnchat
09:51:56 pm kristineshaheen: @moehlert lol Weasel Word debate. #lrnchat
09:52:05 pm Boxelderbob: Take what we have learned and make it part of the journey. Then unlearning is unnecessary. #lrnchat
09:52:09 pm JustStormy: meet me again:melissa hicks, PSU ID and grad student–INTJ–refuse to accept "unlearn" as a word" #lrnchat
09:52:16 pm mizminh: imagine if we had to unlearn star warism #lrnchat
09:52:23 pm tigerlily300: @sillym0nkey I wasn't born yet either. lol #lrnchat
09:52:24 pm Mary_a_Myers: @hjarche…i should probably unlearn the stuff i make up. #lrnchat
09:52:36 pm moehlert: @bschlenker So the content was not needed but what about the process by which you acquired the knowledge? Was that needed? #Lrnchat
09:52:41 pm doktadivah: @hjarche Your post, FTW!🙂 Education of whatever type, should be adapted to its purpose. I like my learning messy, btw. #lrnchat
09:52:41 pm SueSchnorr: Looks like I missed a great session. You guys are on a roll! (all but a few minutes!) #lrnchat
09:52:43 pm moehlert: RT @hjarche: Seems unlearning is a natural phenomenon: neuroplasticity http://is.gd/bkQXa #lrnchat
09:52:44 pm sillym0nkey: unlearning is learning what shd be unlearned #lrnchat
09:52:54 pm kelly_smith01: @hjarche Yes Mager. I still have the objective book. Check out Youtube for some speeches #lrnchat
09:52:56 pm tigerlily300: Indeed. RT @sifowler: @moehlert unlearning is learning #lrnchat
09:53:03 pm ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Element K in Rochester, NY. Great #lrnchat tonight… now I'm off to do this thing with the thing.
09:53:14 pm Mary_a_Myers: @sillym0nkey ack! ok i opened myself up for that one…i was only seven. #lrnchat
09:53:21 pm kristineshaheen: RT @tigerlily300: Indeed. RT @sifowler: @moehlert unlearning is learning #lrnchat
09:53:21 pm jkunrein: @odguru LOL! Not sure I ever learned being dignified on the web. Makes #lrnchat more fun though. #lrnchat
09:53:21 pm odguru: RT @doktadivah I like my learning messy, btw. #lrnchat
09:53:24 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Hmm….OK…just as I suspected. #lrnchat
09:53:34 pm doctorjeff: @Mary_a_Myers not necessarily, making things up can also be considered a hypothesis – it's parto fo exploration. #lrnchat
09:53:43 pm mizminh: @Boxelderbob thus avoiding the danger of babies being sloshed out with the bathwater? like phonics? grammar? #lrnchat
09:53:53 pm sillym0nkey: i unlearn therefore I unam #lrnchat
09:54:02 pm JoanVinallCox: Is it new learning teaching communication in new media w/ new theory? http://joanvinallcox.posterous.com/ after students' podcasts #lrnchat
09:54:11 pm urbie: Qwrap, urbano delgado, instructional designer, washington d.c., avowed practitioner of dark-art of unlearning. http://ficacy.com #lrnchat
09:54:13 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @odguru: RT @doktadivah I like my learning messy, btw. #lrnchat
09:54:23 pm doktadivah: Lisa Richardson, Academic & Technology Solutions, mom, pd specialist, doc student. Great chat everyone! #lrnchat
09:54:25 pm moehlert: RT @reward75: @moehlert Yoda coined the term unlearn therefore it's valid #lrnchat If Yoda said it…
09:54:27 pm doctorjeff: @mizminh I think Yoda was a cool teacher, and not because of the way he talked but because of what he said. #lrnchat
09:54:27 pm miri_orgchange: I need to go buy some bologna! RT @marciamarcia More on unlearning in piece I wrote for @fastcompany http://cl.lk/unlearn #lrnchat
09:54:27 pm jadekaz: @JustStormy as a fellow INTJ, a refuse to recognize your refusal #lrnchat
09:54:30 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @jkunrein: @odguru LOL! Not sure I ever learned being dignified on the web. Makes #lrnchat more fun though. #lrnchat
09:54:37 pm doktadivah: RT @sillym0nkey: i unlearn therefore I unam #lrnchat
09:54:37 pm JustStormy: RT @sillym0nkey: i unlearn therefore I unam #lrnchat
09:54:45 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, ISD Consult Texas – unlearning procrastination #lrnchat
09:54:47 pm jkunrein: Qwrap) Judy Unrein, ID-er, apparent defender of sci-fi muppets #lrnchat
09:54:55 pm hjarche: @doctorjeff having watched many artists develop, there is significant training involved – practice-feedback, repeat ad nauseum #lrnchat
09:54:58 pm mizminh: RT @sillym0nkey: i unlearn therefore I unam #lrnchat
09:55:00 pm odguru: @doktadivah I like my learning messy << that's a t-shirt. I'd buy it. #lrnchat
09:55:02 pm SueSchnorr: QWrap Sue Schnorr, Instructional Design Consultant/freelancer/networker/mom (not in that order!) Rochester, NY #lrnchat
09:55:10 pm Mary_a_Myers: @doctorjeff you are right…and i make up a lot of stuff🙂 #lrnchat
09:55:11 pm moehlert: RT @sifowler: @moehlert unlearning is learning #lrnchat Good. The human race progresses…
09:55:14 pm kellygarber: RT @sillym0nkey: i unlearn therefore I unam <– now that's what I'm not talking about #lrnchat
09:55:16 pm Dave_Ferguson: @juststormy A former colleague said he was GFNJ — Guy From New Jersey. #lrnchat
09:55:18 pm kristineshaheen: RT @billcush: Q4) Organizations need to unlearn the idea that people exist to service at the pleasure of the organization. #lrnchat
09:55:20 pm jadekaz: Qwrap: Had a splendid night, ya'll. Hope I can join you again…baby willing, of course. jadekaz out. #lrnchat
09:55:23 pm doktadivah: oh yeah, I'm an INFJ, too.🙂 #lrnchat
09:55:27 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @miri_orgchange: Need to buy some bologna! RT @marciamarcia More on unlearning for @fastcompany http://cl.lk/unlearn #lrnchat
09:55:30 pm JustStormy: LOL!!!! RT @jadekaz: @JustStormy as a fellow INTJ, a refuse to recognize your refusal #lrnchat
09:55:33 pm teachernz: @reward75 Do or do not… There is no *try* #lrnchat
09:55:34 pm SuzNet: good way to close out the chat RT @sillym0nkey: i unlearn therefore I unam #lrnchat
09:55:38 pm pedepede2: Qwrap) Natalie Spence, just came in at the end. Sydney, working on project on social networking site in my tertiary institute. #lrnchat
09:55:42 pm doctorjeff: @jkunrein someone put some thought into the script, muppets aside. #lrnchat
09:55:54 pm doktadivah: [Give me 2 days. ;)]RT @odguru: @doktadivah I like my learning messy << thats a t-shirt. Id buy it. #lrnchat
09:55:57 pm mizminh: @doctorjeff just speculating not mandating or even critiquing🙂 #lrnchat
09:56:04 pm rickzanotti: RT @DoktaDivah: RT @sillym0nkey: i unlearn therefore I unam #lrnchat
09:56:17 pm everyselearning: Me signing off with a link to my life’s work for the last year: http://www.everyones.com/dreamweaver/dreamweaver Good night all! #lrnchat
09:56:18 pm billcush: Qwrap) Bill Cushard, Charlotte, NC..Interest/Focus: Trying to find a way to follow up training w/ learning in the cloud. #lrnchat
09:56:34 pm sifowler: Q4) Simon Fowler, R&D at Forum Corp, speaking on Strategic Speed at Mass. ISPI Apr 13 http://www.mass-ispi.org #lrnchat
09:56:38 pm JustStormy: I love my #lrnchat folks….LOVE EM
09:56:40 pm minutebio: Just returned in time to sign-off. Jeff Goldman, e-Learning Designer, victim of 10 yr old computer hijacker. #lrnchat
09:56:43 pm moehlert: @lrnchat Mark Oehlert here from outside Washington DC. Sorry I missed this one. Yoda, Pink Floyd…I gots some reading to do. #lrnchat
09:56:47 pm reward75: Regina Ward, NYC, lost the unlearning debate to Yoda… no better competitor though #lrnchat
09:56:48 pm Dave_Ferguson: Dave, DC-area, org learning, perf improvement, cheery jargon-skepticism, wry analogies, flashes of mediocrity. #lrnchat
09:56:52 pm doctorjeff: @hjarche was their learning process freechoice? #lrnchat
09:56:55 pm KoreenOlbrish: Qwrap) Koreen Olbrish, glad to be back this week…nice to see ppl participating who reject the entire concept of tonight’s #lrnchat
09:57:11 pm JustStormy: OH MY RT @Dave_Ferguson: @juststormy A former colleague said he was GFNJ — Guy From New Jersey. #lrnchat
09:57:27 pm dbolen: qrap – unlrnr from ATL #lrnchat
09:57:32 pm tigerlily300: Kathy J., inst designer, Georgia. Practitioner w/out a degree in ID, but trying to apply rhetoric and usability principles anyway. #lrnchat
09:57:34 pm rickzanotti: @DoktaDivah Goodnight all, Lisa! #lrnchat
09:57:53 pm sifowler: Delighted to join evening #lrnchat peeps for a change. See some of you on EU version next week. Thanks @lrnchat. #lrnchat
09:58:03 pm sillym0nkey: Qwrap) Deb Thomas ATL and ADRL – daughter of the revolutionary learners #lrnchat
09:58:22 pm SuzNet: Suzanne Choma, unlearning/learning consultant, gnight from Rochester NY, off to finish reading a thesis on SoMe #lrnchat
09:58:29 pm LandDDave: QWrap) David Kelly, Training Director for a NYC Bank, working my way towards independent consultant. Thanks for another great chat #lrnchat
09:58:31 pm mizminh: @moehlert Yoda didn’t coin unlearning unless there is some weird time boggle – I met the word long before the first Star Wars #lrnchat
09:58:41 pm jkunrein: Good night all! See you next week! #lrnchat
09:58:52 pm odguru: Beautiful moment: son 7 dancing by the pond. Mama waterbug got eaten by the frog; he was teaching little ones 2 swim. CU Next week! #lrnchat
09:58:53 pm doktadivah: @rickzanotti *waves* G’night Rick! #lrnchat
09:58:56 pm hjarche: @doctorjeff most art studio work is highly repetitious (training) but that’s how skills are developed #lrnchat
09:58:58 pm kellygarber: Qwrap) Kelly, freelance uninstructional destructionist, call me to charter your unlearning initiatives. night all! #lrnchat
09:59:01 pm doctorjeff: I learned a lot from Seinfeld. If you watch it, it puts you in touch with a great many things that you need to unlearn. #lrnchat
09:59:04 pm oxala75: craig wiggins. elearning jockey, sangue bom. #lrnchat
09:59:15 pm marciamarcia: RT @miri_orgchange: I need to go buy some bologna! RT @marciamarcia More on unlearning in piece I wrote for @fastcompany http://cl.lk/unlearn #lrnchat
09:59:16 pm SueSchnorr: @billcush Check out Jay Cross & ITA’s unbook Work Smarter, Collaboration in the Clouds #lrnchat
09:59:22 pm urbie: @bschlenker question for an iPad owner.. is there a bit of un-learning going on in getting a notebook that’s flat n can’t fold? #lrnchat
09:59:28 pm mizminh: I will concede that Yoda has place his imprimateur upon the term #lrnchat
09:59:39 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Please tell us if you blog about the conversation so we can link to it on http://lrnchat.com
09:59:48 pm GaryBrannigan: Clinical Psychologist…nice to meet everyone! #lrnchat
09:59:56 pm Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers living in Kingston. learning consultant/ID-type. must tend to my other laptop. operating system not booting up. love #lrnchat
10:00:07 pm sillym0nkey: u may need 2 unlearn that>RT @mizminh: @moehlert Yoda didn’t coin unlearning unless…some weird time boggle #lrnchat

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