Transcript 8-April 2010 (early)

10:30:24 am lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
10:30:29 am c4lpt: #lrnchat this week is about UNlearning
10:30:40 am LandDDave: I’ll be participating in #lrnchat for the next 90 minutes, so please excuse the excessive tweets. #lrnchat
10:31:26 am karlrichter: Warming up for my first time attending #lrnchat
10:31:30 am mira_bell: Good morning my fellow tweeters! #lrnchat
10:31:36 am britz: Shooting down to grab lunch… be back in 5 for start of lunch-n- #lrnchat. Me?- Mark Britz, ID, ‘Cuse, NY.
10:32:23 am c4lpt: #lrnchat hello everyone again – can’t believe another week gone by
10:32:37 am srleosalazar: Leo Salazar, Amsterdam, the Netherlands Focus: Learning & Development in an Intercultural Context Blog: http://bit.ly/cPAQh5 #lrnchat
10:32:41 am StephanieDaul: @mira_bell Good Morning Mira_bell #lrnchat
10:32:52 am JudithELS: @karlrichter … and welcome from me too #lrnchat
10:32:53 am srleosalazar: I’ll be participating in the weekly #lrnchat until 19:00 (GMT+1). Please excuse the volume of tweets.
10:32:55 am MichelleLavoie: #lrnchat My Twitter is sick; looks like I can’t participate but I can watch!
10:33:11 am LandDDave: Welcome Karl! RT @karlrichter: Warming up for my first time attending #lrnchat
10:33:24 am petersonandrew: Ready to forget everything I know. #lrnchat
10:33:37 am mira_bell: @MichelleLavoie I had the same thing but just reloaded and it works now. #lrnchat
10:33:47 am pharmakon: @MichelleLavoie Get it fixed, meow! #lrnchat
10:33:58 am LandDDave: Greetings everyone! I’m looking forward to this week’s topic. #lrnchat
10:33:58 am lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
10:34:12 am JudithELS: @MichelleLavoie that’s bad news, perhaps some bird seed would help? #lrnchat
10:34:16 am lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
10:45:52 am jeremybraver: I’ve learned that R2D2 is an astromech droid #lrnchat
10:46:13 am pharmakon: I learned who Justin Bieber is /shudder #lrnchat
10:46:21 am InSyncEU: #lrnchat Q0 learned that not to trust Regus serviced office internet conx’s not good when goes bang in live session!!
10:46:22 am jeremybraver: heh, thx Karl…NOW you tell me!!! #lrnchat
10:46:31 am lrnchat: Q1) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
10:46:35 am petersonandrew: #lrnchat experts in technology need expiry dates.
10:46:39 am KarenPantos: I learned that patience is a virtual that I do not have #lrnchat
10:46:55 am LandDDave: Q0) Thanks to iPad, specifically the fact that I don’t have 1, I’ve learned I have a jealous side. (still not sure I need 1 though) #lrnchat
10:46:59 am hollyrae: #lrnchat Q0) Teachers are more receptive to Facebook as a personal learning space than what I expected🙂
10:47:01 am californiakara: Enjoy! @janebozarth & @quinnovator run a fun ship RT @karlrichter Warming up for my first time attending #lrnchat
10:47:19 am wendiewhelan: Q0 – Learned that hiring for an entry level LMS Sys. Admin. is difficult #lrnchat
10:47:24 am 34explorer: @KarenPantos me too but I pretend #lrnchat
10:47:31 am desertjul: Q0 Also learning about TweetChat, Twubs, and TweetGrid #lrnchat
10:47:47 am LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
10:47:47 am petersonandrew: #lrnchat not everything has to be done for a profit. (switching from private industry to education)
10:47:47 am pharmakon: Q1) I’ve had to unlearn bass lines that I came up with for better ones. It’s hard to replace that physical memory #lrnchat
10:47:49 am johnssandy: Hello I work with Blackboard, course development, and teacher training for online ed Q0 just learned about this #lrnchat today!
10:47:49 am mira_bell: Q1) my enthusiasm for change is not always easily accepted by others #lrnchat
10:47:59 am jeremybraver: @pharmakon may peace shine over you as you deal with the world post Justin Bieber… #lrnchat
10:47:59 am urbie: learned the importance of getting done at the right time, not early and certainly not late: parking garage here opens at 6 a.m. #lrnchat
10:48:09 am drtimony: Q1) How to direct students to have their own agenda rather than to master mine. #lrnchat
10:48:18 am karlrichter: @LandDDave Ive never met you, but I am certain you need an iPad #lrnchat
10:48:19 am JudithELS: Q1: I don’t know, isn’t it the same as learning something different or am I barking up the wrong tree here? #lrnchat
10:48:27 am KarenPantos: Unlearn is change #lrnchat
10:48:36 am Miley_Grandjean: Q0 Today, I found out that #lrnchat existsóa place with real people!
10:48:40 am c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
10:48:52 am LandDDave: RT @drtimony: Q1) How to direct students to have their own agenda rather than to master mine. #lrnchat
10:49:11 am tmiket: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
10:49:16 am NaomiSayegh: Hi all. Can not stay long on the call but wanted to say @petersonandrew #lrnchat experts in technology need expiry dates. << Good point!
10:49:17 am jeremybraver: I still need to unlearn the way that I approach business #lrnchat
10:49:29 am kkapp: #lrnchat Q1) Unlearn traditional teaching methods from my infinite years of schooling were not the best model for passing on knowledge
10:49:31 am karlrichter: What did I unlearn? Don’t double space at the end of a sentence. Still working on that one. #lrnchat
10:49:57 am JudithELS: RT @KarenPantos: Unlearn is change #lrnchat
10:50:01 am StephanieDaul: Q1) That the facilitator has all of the answers. Most of the time the learners knows best. #lrnchat
10:50:02 am tmiket: I’ve had to unlearn that not everyone strives for competence let alone excellence #lrnchat
10:50:17 am c4lpt: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat Q1) Unlearn traditional teaching methods from my infinite years of schooling were not the best model for passing on knowledge
10:50:21 am desertjul: Q1 I had to unlearn course design for creating online courses, my courses started out as such a mess! #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:50:22 am mSenbetta: I learned that I actually enjoy lrnchat. Initially, it was frustrating #lrnchat
10:50:22 am KarenPantos: @c4lpt how to not solve others’ problems #lrnchat
10:50:29 am tektrekker: Q1: every time tech changes, i have to unlearn my ideas about how to design learning #lrnchat
10:50:33 am simbeckhampson: Trying to keep an eye on #lrnchat while people are shooting around me… could get dangerous🙂
10:50:36 am JudithELS: RT @karlrichter: What did I unlearn? Dont double space at the end of a sentence. Still working on that one. < Why not? #lrnchat
10:50:38 am ichrisbarnes: RT @tmiket: Ive had to unlearn that not everyone strives for competence let alone excellence #lrnchat
10:50:43 am tmiket: I’ve unlearned that all conflict is bad –sometimes it’s very good #lrnchat
10:50:47 am pharmakon: @karlrichter Whut? why not doublespace? #lrnchat
10:50:49 am karlrichter: @californiakara good to see you. #lrnchat
10:50:50 am juli0810: @lrnchat I learned more about how to use iTunes U… #lrnchat
10:50:50 am urbie: Q#1, i want to un-learn timidity with customer; don’t want to swing too far the other way into temerity zone; pedagogy = strength #lrnchat
10:50:56 am wendiewhelan: Q1)I’ve had to unlearn that its not always necessary to track every type of training #lrnchat
10:51:07 am LandDDave: I think unlearn is different than change or learning something new. To me Unlearn has more of a corrective aspect. #lrnchat
10:51:15 am kelly_smith01: Q1) Unlearn -> My assumptions on the costs (actual and assumed) of developing and implementing performance (learning) solutions. #lrnchat
10:51:19 am StephanieDaul: RT @tmiket: Ive unlearned that all conflict is bad –sometimes its very good #lrnchat
10:51:23 am britz: Q1) I unlearned my adherence to ADDIE (yes, I said ADDIE… I’ll be drinking water this hour thank you very much) #lrnchat
10:51:28 am pharmakon: A great zen story about unlearning http://bit.ly/XXqh1 #lrnchat
10:51:30 am kkapp: #lrnchat Q1) Wisdom &knowledge are not the same &neither is knowledge and behavior the same…we have knowledge of eating right, we don’t
10:51:41 am ichrisbarnes: Q1. Had to unlearn urge to solve problems right away. Listening, sitting with complexity is tool to better solutions. #lrnchat
10:51:43 am hollyrae: Q1) methodology is something I feel I’m unlearning all the time #lrnchat
10:51:47 am simbeckhampson: http://twitpic.com/1e2r1o – Greetings from Bavaria #lrnchat ter’s
10:51:48 am mSenbetta: intentions are not necessarly communicated through words. Peole hear through their filters instead of listening #lrnchat
10:51:59 am desertjul: Q1 I am unlearning right now how to chat!!!! #lrnchat
10:52:01 am bowdenartist: Participating in #lrnchat. Come join us.
10:52:07 am InSyncEU: #lrnchat Q1 – had to unlearn key facilitation practices that i had in F2F before facilitating online sessions..
10:52:25 am weblearning: #lrnchat Unlearning the history essay technigue. The third person alsways creeps into my writing. Trying to be more me (but not a meformer)
10:52:25 am denniscallahan: Q1) had to unlearn that I should treat others as I would like to be treated (we’re all different) #lrnchat
10:52:31 am karlrichter: Yes! It’s a great model, but not the only way to work. RT @britz: Q1) I unlearned my adherence to ADDIE #lrnchat
10:52:40 am tmiket: @simbeckhampson Wow! You weren’t kidding when you said ‘shooting all around you’! #lrnchat
10:52:50 am desertjul: I’m searching for lrnchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://tweetgrid.com/search?q=lrnchat
10:52:54 am mira_bell: @pharmakon I like your Zen story #lrnchat
10:52:55 am StephanieDaul: @InSyncEU like what? #lrnchat
10:52:59 am FarscapeDev: #lrnchat That being tough is not the only way forward in a predominantly male environment, showing vulnerbility and softness also works
10:53:11 am JudithELS: RT @simbeckhampson: http://twitpic.com/1e2r1o – Greetings from Bavaria #lrnchat ters <hi, there & I hope the fair’s going well #lrnchat
10:53:17 am ichrisbarnes: Stopping by #lrnchat on the way to a conference call. Been away so long y’all changed the time! #lrnchat
10:53:27 am urbie: Q#1, another thing to unlearn is that technological change doesn’t drive instructional change; it’s about the people #lrnchat
10:53:32 am HughGreenway: @lrnchat Q1) Unlearn that trying and failing hurts and is embarassing… It doesn’t or at least much less than you think
10:53:36 am millennial_ID: RT @karlrichter: Dont double space at the end of a sentence. -haha! i remember that f/hs journalism! kills me when ppl do it today! #lrnchat
10:53:47 am Rsuominen: Q1) There is no need to control everything. #lrnchat
10:53:55 am desertjul: Q0 I am learning that I like Twubs the best for this #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:53:56 am weblearning: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat Q1) Wisdom &knowledge are not the same &neither is knowledge and behavior the same…we have knowledge of eating right, we don’t
10:53:58 am evemarfil: Hi everybody! Lisbon/Portugal spring greetings with in a sunshiny day! #lrnchat
10:54:02 am rickzanotti: RT @pharmakon: A great zen story about unlearning http://bit.ly/XXqh1 #lrnchat
10:54:07 am mSenbetta: @denniscallahan I treat others as they would prefer to be treated. #lrnchat
10:54:19 am pharmakon: @mira_bell one of my favs and applicable to so many situations! #lrnchat
10:54:30 am petersonandrew: RT @urbie: Q#1, another thing to unlearn is that technological change doesn’t drive instructional change; it’s about the people #lrnchat
10:54:56 am drtimony: Unlearn=learn again by removing prejudices you possess based on incorrect information or process #lrnchat
10:54:57 am evemarfil: Agree! RT @Rsuominen Q1) There is no need to control everything. #lrnchat
10:55:21 am bschlenker: Hi #lrnchat -ers! Sorry I’m late. Please say hi to the Christiana Healthcare learning team!
10:55:33 am noahsparks: RT @petersonandrew: #lrnchat Everyone likes to learn, friction comes from the method
10:55:36 am tektrekker: Q1: had to unlearn drinking the coolaid (coolaid=teaching as transmission) LOL #lrnchat
10:55:43 am jeremybraver: @petersonandrew heh, thx man. I’m sooooo missing GLS this year. already experiencing withdrawals man. Good to see u here too bro! #lrnchat
10:55:46 am karlrichter: The need 4 Unlearning is all around us. We do old things with new tools. Why are so many online lessons set up just like books? #lrnchat
10:55:56 am drtimony: Q1 transparency. Let students see you as you are. Let them make you uncomfortable. #lrnchat
10:56:10 am LandDDave: Welcome to #lrnchat! >>>>RT @bschlenker: Hi #lrnchat -ers! Sorry Im late. Please say hi to the Christiana Healthcare learning team! #lrnchat
10:56:13 am charlesjennings: @lrnchat Q1) Just read Steve Rose’s ‘Almost Like a Whale’. Had to re-learn large chunks of taxonomy that was *right* 40 years ago. #lrnchat
10:56:32 am StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What is something you had to unlearn? #lrnchat
10:56:49 am wendiewhelan: RT @Rsuominen: Q1) There is no need to control everything. #lrnchat
10:56:50 am kkapp: @bschlenker Hello .Christiana Healthcare learning team! Welcome to #lrnchat
10:56:52 am tektrekker: RT @pharmakon: A great zen story about unlearning http://bit.ly/XXqh1 #lrnchat
10:56:58 am johnssandy: Q1 I had to unlearn “best practices” and now call it “promising practices” online ed is always changing! #lrnchat
10:57:00 am StephanieDaul: Is re-learn the same as unlearn? #lrnchat
10:57:23 am KarenPantos: @drtimony is it always incorrect information or processes? #lrnchat
10:57:29 am drtimony: That my ‘assessment’ of a student means ANYTHING regarding their ability to achieve. #lrnchat
10:57:30 am denniscallahan: RT @ mSenbetta @denniscallahan I treat others as they would prefer to be treated. #lrnchat <i’m sure they appreciate that>
10:57:56 am Rsuominen: That happens anyway🙂 RT @drtimony Q1 transparency. Let students see you as you are. #lrnchat
10:58:00 am desertjul: @pharmakon awesome short, sweet, zen story. Thanks!! #lrnchat
10:58:07 am LandDDave: Q1) Unlearning 2me involves gamechangers. Take iPad. If that interface dominates, many mouse interactions (ex: rollovers) go away. #lrnchat
10:58:19 am kkapp: RT StephanieDaul Is re-learn the same as unlearn? #lrnchat. Not sure it is one is a “do over” and one is an “undoing”
10:58:26 am c4lpt: #lrnchat Q2 (coming up) will be about defining “unlearning”
10:58:38 am johnssandy: #nmedtech RETA in Las Cruces, NM NMSU I had to unlearn tradition teaching and move to online facillating! #lrnchat
10:58:49 am pharmakon: @StephanieDaul no. re-learn implies forgetting something u want to learn again. Unlearn means forgetting to learn something new #lrnchat
10:58:53 am kelly_smith01: RT @StephanieDaul: Is re-learn the same as unlearn? #lrnchat
10:58:57 am weblearning: Also unlearning about expertese. Trying to see if the #teachmeet model has possibilities in za #lrnchat Rather scary letting control go
10:59:11 am pincomb: Q1 Unlearning is risk-taking #lrnchat
10:59:21 am hollyrae: RT @johnssandy: Q1 I had to unlearn “best practices” and now call it “promising practices” online ed is always changing! #lrnchat
10:59:27 am z_rose: A 20-year-old-ish belief that I’m bad at maths. I’m not – which is good, seeing how much I use logic/maths style thought at work #lrnchat
10:59:29 am denniscallahan: Hello Christiana Healthcare learning team! cc:@bschlenker #lrnchat
11:00:23 am britz: welcome Christiana Healthcare learning team! @bschlenker #lrnchat
11:00:25 am sifowler: [drive-by] Sorry I can’t join #lrnchat today. I’m at Bersin Impact conference in FL with physical type peeps using voice not type. #im
10:11:00:36 am pharmakon: grr. have to run. Will catch up on the chat later! #lrnchat
11:00:40 am drtimony: @weblearning do you mean capital E Expertise or lower e? #lrnchat
11:00:45 am kelly_smith01: Q1) Unlearning is what is taught formally and informally and self-taught. #lrnchat
11:00:50 am z_rose: I had to unlearn everything from my teacher training about behaviour management, i.e ‘if the lesson is interesting they’ll behave’ #lrnchat
11:01:01 am JudithELS: RT @kelly_smith01: RT @StephanieDaul: Is re-learn the same as unlearn? <yes, to me it is #lrnchat
11:01:03 am desertjul: Q0 learned course icebreaker, best/worst class, what teacher did, what students did, focus on what to do inclass based on bestclass #lrnchat
11:01:23 am LandDDave: @pharmakon May the force be with you #lrnchat
11:01:29 am urbie: @StephanieDaul un-learning is the modern day equivalent of the biblical “setting aside childish ways” and doing the right thing #lrnchat
11:01:46 am evemarfil: Q1) During 10 yrs in special edu, I “unlearnt ” that there is no such thing as class. Every stdent is a stdent. Class is a world! #lrnchat
11:01:47 am kelly_smith01: Hi 2 – Christiana Healthcare learning team! #lrnchat
11:03:08 am desertjul: Q0 learning some new friends to follow🙂 #lrnchat
11:03:24 am kelly_smith01: RT @evemarfil: Q1) During 10 yrs in special edu, I “unlearnt ” that there is no such thing as class. Every stdent is a stdent. …! #lrnchat
11:03:24 am z_rose: Unlearning is different from but similar to un-remembering – the harder you try to forget something, the more you’ll remember it. #lrnchat
11:03:25 am desertjul: I just became a member of the Twub for #lrnchat at http://twubs.com/lrnchat
11:03:26 am StephanieDaul: Q1) State the objectives for the learners rather than building it into the design. #lrnchat
11:03:39 am RonPrice: Unlearning requires humility. What do we know and believe and teach with confidence today, that people will be unlearning tomorrow? #lrnchat
11:03:45 am LandDDave: I think unlearn is different. Consider muscle memory- you need to not only learn what new to do but you need to break the old habit #lrnchat
11:04:16 am kkapp: #lrnchat to unlearn is to learn anew.
11:04:21 am johnssandy: Q1 unlearn book and pencil and learning use of lms, digital textbooks, using media for learning! #lrnchat
11:04:25 am lrnchat: Q2) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? #lrnchat
11:05:00 am tmiket: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? #lrnchat
11:05:10 am drtimony: Unlearn is a misnomer. Thorndike would say to stop making that association. Skinner would say stop feeding the dog. #lrnchat
11:05:14 am c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? #lrnchat
11:05:35 am JudithELS: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? #lrnchat
11:05:44 am urbie: @desertjul true: we’re never really alone, as long as we have power & the web.. #lrnchat
11:05:44 am CraigTaylor74: RT @lrnchat: Q1) unlearn training delivery and turn into learning facilitation #lrnchat
11:05:51 am tmiket: Seems that unlearning is another way of relearning but with a different outcome #lrnchat
11:05:53 am drtimony: Unlearning is the use of metacognitive strategies to adapt behaviors. #lrnchat
11:06:02 am karlrichter: unlearning is huge 4 language learners. your native grammar is updated with new grammar for L2. Bad english is failure to unlearn #lrnchat
11:06:04 am denniscallahan: Q1) how much of unlearning is unconscious? #lrnchat
11:06:13 am c4lpt: Q2) Is UN-learn the same as RE-learn? #lrnchat Is it about “overwriting” rather than “erasing”?
11:06:21 am simbeckhampson: @JudithELS All well at the moment, lovely weather and nobody’s shot me yet (always a bonus!) #lrnchat
11:06:26 am LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? #lrnchat
11:06:31 am leavittm: great article on ADDIE and need for training by @janebozarth http://bit.ly/dd4Vrh #lrnchat
11:06:56 am jhidalgo: RT @lrnchat Q2) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? #lrnchat
11:06:58 am JudithELS: Q2: Have we just invented another term, ie ‘unlearn’ when it’s not needed? #lrnchat
11:07:00 am johnssandy: RT @c4lpt: Q2) Is UN-learn the same as RE-learn? #lrnchat Is it about “overwriting” rather than “erasing”? love this thought! #lrnchat
11:07:00 am notionlearning: #lrnchat dictionary: “aim to discard (something learned) from oneís memry”-unlearning is the first step in learning-breaking down bad habits
11:07:13 am leavittm: RT @petersonandrew: unlearning has to include a willingness to learn again, otherwise it’s just forgetting. #lrnchat
11:07:19 am tektrekker: several of us in same room and joint skype conversation are discussing as we follow #lrnchat remarkable conversations about unlearn def.🙂
11:07:25 am kkapp: #lrnchat q2)Takes work &cognitive dissonance to achieve. Not always fun either.
11:07:42 am desertjul: Q0 learning how fun it is to have a hybrid #lrnchat with friends f2f and online🙂 #lrnchat
11:07:50 am kkapp: RT @JudithELS: Q2: Have we just invented another term, ie ‘unlearn’ when it’s not needed? #lrnchat
11:07:56 am amphiboly: @weblearning How can one be sure that unlearning is not refining one’s understanding #lrnchat
11:07:57 am CraigTaylor74: RT @lrnchat: Q2) an internal acknowledgement that what you thought was right, isnt! And that a change is needed #lrnchat
11:08:01 am RonPrice: unlearning reminds me of the old idea of “shattered paradigms” #lrnchat
11:08:11 am Rsuominen: RT @tmiket Seems that unlearning is another way of relearning but with a different outcome #lrnchat
11:08:24 am drtimony: prob hard to define without a stance on how learning occurs. it’s just colloquial anyway. #lrnchat
11:08:24 am mira_bell: Q2) It seems like un-learn could just be learn – it does imply changing something known but it is still learning #lrnchat
11:08:26 am JoanVinallCox: RT @weblearning: RT @drtimony: Unlearning is the use of metacognitive strategies to adapt behaviors. #lrnchat
11:08:30 am urbie: Q#2, un-learning invokes Thoreau’s drummer: getting to where assumptions have to be challenged; passion too: gotta love what you do #lrnchat
11:08:33 am petersonandrew: @tektrekker How do you skype in 140 characters? #lrnchat🙂
11:08:36 am LandDDave: Q2) By definition unlearn is to forget or to ‘accept knowledge as false’. The second piece would be my L&D definition. #lrnchat
11:08:52 am britz: Q2) learning & unlearning go hand in hand, no? -something new must fill the void #lrnchat
11:08:59 am petersonandrew: RT @RonPrice: unlearning reminds me of the old idea of “shattered paradigms” #lrnchat
11:08:59 am LandDDave: Tweetchat is being a little tempermental today… #lrnchat
11:09:01 am mimimuircastle: #lrnchat as our world changes if we change with it, we unlearn, relearn and learn all the time! Motivation to learn new ideas=unlearn+learn!
11:09:05 am StephanieDaul: Q2) Unlearning is not using something you once learned. Can you take learning away? #lrnchat
11:09:09 am kkapp: @RonPrice #lrnchat think “old idea” of shattered paradigms is still new idea to many
11:09:11 am karlrichter: to me unlearning erases memory relearn replenishes it. I can’t unlearn Korean letters, but I can relearn the words I’ve forgotten. #lrnchat
11:09:15 am johnssandy: I just became a member of the Twub for #lrnchat at http://twubs.com/lrnchat
11:09:15 am desertjul: RT @drtimony: Unlearning is the use of metacognitive strategies to adapt behaviors. #lrnchat
11:09:20 am Rsuominen: RT @c4lpt: Q2) Is UN-learn the same as RE-learn? #lrnchat Is it about “overwriting” rather than “erasing”?
11:09:23 am pincomb: I just became a member of the Twub for #lrnchat at http://twubs.com/lrnchat
11:09:32 am JudithELS: RT @CraigTaylor74: RT @lrnchat: Q2) an internal acknowledgement that what you thought was right, isnt! < Isn’t that learning? #lrnchat
11:09:37 am kelly_smith01: Q2) Not sure if I like the term unlearning. Maybe adapting or adjusting to new or changed task/procedure. #lrnchat
11:09:37 am LandDDave: RT @kkapp: @RonPrice #lrnchat think “old idea” of shattered paradigms is still new idea to many #lrnchat
11:09:40 am StephanieDaul: RT @LandDDave: Tweetchat is being a little tempermental today…AGREE! #lrnchat
11:10:15 am evemarfil: About unlearning an amazing 12 yr old, Adora Svitak, challenges us to change the way we think about kids @TED http://ning.it/cECcDx #lrnchat
11:10:19 am mimimuircastle: I agree! kkapp @RonPrice #lrnchat think “old idea” of shattered paradigms is still new idea to many
11:10:22 am weblearning: #lrnchat Q2) I see unlearning in DIY University, Edupunk, unconferences etc. It’s a meaphor. It reminds me that we are alsways learning
11:10:23 am kkapp: #lrnchat metacongition–Thinking about Thinking…always loved that term…
11:10:26 am urbie: Q#2, un-learning is certainly possible, however it can be a lonely enterprise; each of us has different thresholds & perceptions #lrnchat
11:10:34 am drtimony: Satisfying/annoying state of affairs. Strengthen/weaken associative bond. “Unlearn” all you want. Smell cookies and your done for. #lrnchat
11:10:35 am JudithELS: RT @c4lpt: Q2) Is UN-learn the same as RE-learn? #lrnchat Is it about “overwriting” rather than “erasing”? <that makes sense to me #lrnchat
11:10:36 am mSenbetta: Q2 Unlearn is giving up to do something you know how to do. Relearn is recalling to do somthing you forgot about #lrnchat
11:11:14 am Miley_Grandjean: Q2 I think unlearning is impossible. You can’t erase what u already know, but (sometimes) u have control over what u learn next. #lrnchat
11:11:32 am mira_bell: Q2 I guess that you can unlearn a bad habit but aren’t you just learning a new habit? #lrnchat
11:11:33 am c4lpt: Q2) Un-learn = “erase” what you learnt. Is that possible? Surely you can only “overwrite”/re-learn/learn sth differently? #lrnchat
11:11:37 am LandDDave: Lots of ‘Isn’t it just learning’ discussion. I think Unlearn is a targeted approach under the broader learning umbrella. #lrnchat
11:11:53 am mSenbetta: @Miley_Grandjean Interesting view #lrnchat
11:11:54 am denniscallahan: Q2) unlearning is more about removing knowledge that no longer benefits you #lrnchat
11:12:01 am desertjul: RT @mSenbetta: Q2 Unlearn-giving up 2 do something you know how 2 do. Relearn is recalling 2 do somthing you forgot about #lrnchat #lrnchat
11:12:05 am karlrichter: RT is unlearning good? @kelly_smith01: Q2) Not sure if I like the term unlearning. Maybe adapting or adjusting to new or changed… #lrnchat
11:12:15 am JudithELS: RT @Miley_Grandjean: Q2 I think unlearning is impossible. You cant erase what u already know < I agree completely #lrnchat
11:12:30 am megtastic1521: Grr… Late for #lrnchat. Gotta catch up. Hi! Megan from MI. Training Manager @ Whirlpool.
11:12:55 am megtastic1521: @bschlenker Hi Christiana Healthcare learning team! Welcome to #lrnchat!🙂
11:13:10 am StephanieDaul: RT @LandDDave: I think Unlearn is a targeted approach under the broader learning umbrella. Would you teach how to unlearn? #lrnchat
11:13:11 am drtimony: Start with how you think you learn. Deconstruct. PavlovSkinnerThorndikeBanduraVygotskyInfoProcExpertise pick one. #lrnchat
11:13:15 am mSenbetta: @mira_bell While learning a new habit, you still have to give up the old #lrnchat
11:13:44 am mglazer: The question isn’t “is unlearning possible.” The question is whether it’s useful. and when. #lrnchat
11:13:46 am LandDDave: Q2) Unlearn isn’t about forgetting – you can’t forget that. It’s about accepting what was truth as false. #lrnchat
11:13:47 am kelly_smith01: Q2) Is unlearning – unlearning something 100%. Or a reconfigure of previous learning 2 handle new task/procedure. #lrnchat
11:13:54 am amphiboly: RT @JudithELS Q2 I think unlearning is impossible. You cant erase what u already know < I agree completely < I also agree #lrnchat
11:14:01 am rbacal: #lrnchat Technically you don’t unlearn. You reduce the “strength” of one learning while increase that of another (laymans explan)
11:14:09 am RonPrice: overcoming racism, sexism, bigotry, etc. – is this “unlearning” #lrnchat
11:14:13 am kkapp: #lrnchat Half life of learning. Half of what u learn today is obsolete in 6 months& half of what u need to know in 6 months u dont know now.
11:14:28 am JudithELS: RT @kelly_smith01: Q2) Not sure if I like the term unlearning. < Me neither! #lrnchat
11:14:32 am mimimuircastle: Yes,@kkapp metacognition is one of the most important things that educators must do! #lrnchat
11:14:36 am denniscallahan: learning, unlearning, relearning… isn’t is all learning? #lrnchat
11:14:39 am StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? #lrnchat
11:14:41 am millennial_ID: Q2) unlearning is…learning a new skill that replaces an old one #lrnchat
11:14:51 am johnssandy: RT @JudithELS: RT @Miley_Grandjean: Q2 I think unlearning is impossible. You cant erase what u already know #lrnchat #lrnchat
11:14:52 am karlrichter: hmmm RT @RonPrice: overcoming racism, sexism, bigotry, etc. – is this “unlearning” #lrnchat
11:14:59 am urbie: Q#2, un-learning is distinct from re-learn; we’re creatures of habit: un-learning is shaking the rug out rather than relocating it #lrnchat
11:14:59 am drtimony: are brains already function asynchronously. when things don’t work out, we go back, fill blanks, fix steps…AHA! just (un)learned #lrnchat
11:15:12 am bowdenartist: To unlearn is to use what you have learned before and build upon it like a foundation. #lrnchat
11:15:21 am KarenPantos: Why is it that once you learn something incorrecly, it seems harder to correct your recollection? #lrnchat
11:15:23 am c4lpt: Q2) Does what you have “unlearn”ed influence how you re-learn it? is it easier or harder? #lrnchat
11:15:23 am LandDDave: @StephanieDaul I wouldn’t focus on teaching how to unlearn. I’d focus on resisting or breaking the learned instinct #lrnchat
11:15:41 am rbacal: RT @JudithELS: RT @kelly_smith01: Q2) Not sure if I like the term unlearning. < Me neither! #lrnchat ME 3!
11:15:44 am desertjul: @Miley_Grandjean though I think that you cant erase what you already know, you can modify your understanding… #lrnchat
11:15:49 am amphiboly: RT denniscallahan: learning, unlearning, relearning… isn&apos;t is all learning? #lrnchat < I completely agree
11:15:52 am drtimony: our brains already function asynchronously. when things don’t work out, we go back, fill blanks, fix steps…AHA! just (un)learned #lrnchat
11:15:54 am britz: RT @rbacal: #lrnchat Technically U dont unlearn. U reduce the “strength” of one learning while increase that of another (laymans explan)
11:15:55 am teachernz: RT @z_rose: I had to unlearn everything from my teacher training about behaviour management, i.e ‘if the lesson is interesting they’ll behave’ #lrnchat
11:16:03 am LandDDave: I love this example! RT @RonPrice: overcoming racism, sexism, bigotry, etc. – is this “unlearning” #lrnchat
11:16:22 am michael_hanley: Isn’t unlearning just …learning? #lrnchat
11:16:33 am petersonandrew: RT @desertjul: @Miley_Grandjean though I think that you cant erase what you already know, you can modify your understanding… #lrnchat
11:16:40 am mimimuircastle: Life=unlearn, re-learn, learn🙂 #lrnchat
11:16:41 am millennial_ID: RT @denniscallahan: learning, unlearning, relearning… isn’t is all learning? #lrnchat
11:16:41 am rbacal: @c4lpt Lots of research on the effects of previous learning on learning new things. One of best researched areas in psych. #lrnchat
11:16:45 am simbeckhampson: RT @drtimony: our brains already function asynchronously. when things don’t work out, we go back, fill blanks, fix steps…#lrnchat
11:16:46 am urbie: Q#2, i don’t think it’s erasing: part of un-learning n learning is repetition; the idea of erasing (brainwashing?) doesn’t jibe #lrnchat
11:16:50 am gpmt: RT @c4lpt: Q2) Is UN-learn the same as RE-learn? #lrnchat Is it about “overwriting” rather than “erasing”?
11:17:06 am simbeckhampson: @michael_hanley kind of agree with you there… #lrnchat
11:17:06 am drtimony: @LandDDave is that simply reframing? Recognizing rights are wrongs? Correcting directions. Completing stories? #lrnchat
11:17:07 am BillNigh: RT @rbacal: #lrnchat Technically you don’t unlearn. You reduce the “strength” of one learning and increase that of another (laymans explan)
11:17:21 am amphiboly: RT @RonPrice: overcoming racism, sexism, bigotry, etc. – is this “unlearning” #lrnchat < I wonder about the larger ramifications of this
11:17:37 am mglazer: RT @michael_hanley Isn’t unlearning just …learning? #lrnchat
11:17:43 am wendiewhelan: Q2) Unlearning is… changing the results of what youve previously learned. It doesnt necessarily require you to relearn. #lrnchat
11:17:44 am JudithELS: RT @amphiboly: RT denniscallahan: learning, unlearning, relearning… isn&apos;t is all learning? #lrnchat < I agree <Yes, me too #lrnchat
11:17:48 am mSenbetta: RT @StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How do you define unlearning? Is it actually possible or just a metaphor? #lrnchat
11:17:49 am marciamarcia: Waving to #innochat #kmers #chatmixer thx to @swanwick as we consider for #lrnchat. Fascinating cognitive dissidence. http://kmers.org/chat
11:17:51 am mira_bell: @michael_hanley I agree – unlearning is learning #lrnchat
11:17:53 am urbie: Q#2, my un-learn “AHA” moment came when i took Lifespan Development at the age of 50 instead of when i was 20: whoa baby! #lrnchat
11:18:03 am drtimony: Thorndike would be so proud! RT @BillNigh: RT @rbacal: Technically you dont unlearn. You reduce the “strength” of one learning #lrnchat
11:18:07 am kelly_smith01: Q2) Think of it as adapt/adjust or “die” not unlearn or “die”. #lrnchat
11:18:09 am petersonandrew: unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. #lrnchat
11:18:36 am britz: I’m unlearning all I thought I knew about unlearning #lrnchat
11:18:47 am marciamarcia: RT @petersonandrew Unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. #lrnchat
11:18:53 am simbeckhampson: RT @petersonandrew: unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. < Like that #lrnchat
11:18:54 am notionlearning: #lrnchat unlearning is very related to org change problems – unlearn old processes and learn new ones – problems occur when new != good
11:19:17 am amphiboly: RT @petersonandrew: unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. #lrnchat <I like this, but it could be Orwellian
11:19:21 am megtastic1521: Q2) Maybe it just comes down to semantics, but I’m not sure I dig the phrase unlearning. #lrnchat
11:19:21 am kelly_smith01: Q2) Unlearn seems 2 assume previous learning was wrong. If performance/result is wrong then “unlearn” or have new learning. #lrnchat
11:19:22 am JudithELS: RT @kelly_smith01: Q2) Think of it as adapt/adjust or “die” not unlearn or “die”. < Nice one #lrnchat
11:19:30 am hollyrae: @Chief717c #lrnchat (@lrnchat) is a weekly conversation and we’re playing along – check out http://twubs.com/lrnchat
11:19:50 am drtimony: Recognizing blockages/prejudices RT @petersonandrew Unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. #lrnchat
11:20:16 am rbacal: #lrnchat Perhaps the real question is how the issue of whether unlearning happens affects how we help people learn, practically.
11:20:19 am bowdenartist: RT @notionlearning: #lrnchat unlearning is very related to org change problems – unlearn old processes and learn new ones – problems occur when new !=good
11:20:30 am LandDDave: @drtimony I think Unlearn provides more detail about the learning need than learn does alonealone. #lrnchat
11:20:32 am drtimony: Makes us sound unsmart RT @megtastic
1521: Q2) Maybe it just comes down to semantics, but Im not sure I dig the phrase unlearning. #lrnchat
11:20:33 am Brainspirations: RT @lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
11:20:34 am urbie: Q#2, how 2 un-learn: practitioners need to reflect on what/how we do n prowl our network/resources all the time discarding as we go #lrnchat
11:20:41 am desertjul: @tektrekker I like your distinctions about skills, knowledge, attitude, behavior… #lrnchat
11:20:43 am Rsuominen: True RT @notionlearning #lrnchat unlearning is very related to org change problems – unlearn old processes and learn new ones
11:20:48 am RonPrice: First lrnchat experience – got to get back to creating things for people to learn and unlearn – thanks for letting me play #lrnchat
11:21:25 am amphiboly: RT @rbacal: #lrnchat …. whether unlearning happens affects how we help people learn, practically. < Really important point
11:21:46 am JudithELS: @marciamarcia Hi Marcia from me too, it’s great to have you join us #lrnchat
11:21:50 am tektrekker: does definition of unlearning change if you’re talking about unlearning skills, knowledge, behavior, or attitudes ?? #lrnchat
11:21:56 am drtimony: Q1: skipping breakfast. Had fun. Off to lunch. Any/all feel free to PM or @ me ! Cheers #lrnchat
11:22:03 am kkapp: @RonPrice thanks for dropping in #lrnchat!
11:22:08 am evemarfil: @web20classroom amazing
12 yr old, Adora Svitak, challenges us to change the way we think about kids @TED http://ning.it/cECcDx #lrnchat
11:22:10 am petersonandrew: #lrnchat I am having a hard time learning to include #lrnchat in #lrnchat chat
11:22:11 am megtastic
1521: @drtimony Yes! Or un-no? Nah, that doesn’t work.🙂 #lrnchat
11:22:36 am kelly_smith01: Hello, I must be going. |:-) Have a cross town meeting. Will read Tweets later. #lrnchat
11:22:58 am lrnchat: Q3) How can you help learners “unlearn”? #lrnchat
11:23:05 am desertjul: @britz I agree!!! #lrnchat
11:23:19 am LandDDave: If the brake & gas pedals reversed position, would learning this fact be enough, or would you want 2’unlearn’ the learned instinct? #lrnchat
11:23:37 am StephanieDaul: @petersonandrew try Tweetchat, it does it for you. #lrnchat
11:23:56 am britz: @petersonandrew use a service like tweetchat. takes care of the #lrnchat for you🙂
11:24:14 am marciamarcia: We can’t really unlearn but we can create a mental attic & post a sign that says, “Things I know no longer so.” http://cl.lk/un-dee #lrnchat
11:24:33 am petersonandrew: Q3) The Socratic method. Make the learners question their ideas #lrnchat
11:24:44 am bowdenartist: Unlearn = Modify + Adapt + Apply #lrnchat
11:25:06 am amphiboly: @LandDDave: If the brake & gas pedals reversed position, would learning … be enough, or would you want 2 unlearn…#lrnchat < Nice example
11:25:11 am kkapp: #lrnchat q3) immerse learner in the experience &create cognitive dissonance & provide tools for metacognition…teach critical thinking
11:25:43 am StephanieDaul: Q3) Unlearning a task maybe different then unlearning a behavior #lrnchat
11:25:47 am hamtra: @marciamarcia Like learning not to take that second piece of cake. #lrnchat
11:25:56 am petersonandrew: RT @bowdenartist: Unlearn = Modify + Adapt + Apply #lrnchat
11:25:59 am kkapp: #lrnchat 3q) Conspire to create “Aha” moments.
11:26:26 am urbie: Q#3, ideally i can help learners unlearn by telling stories around a campfire about trekking with compass then handing them a GPS #lrnchat
11:27:16 am weblearning: Is social constructivism and unlearning linked? #lrnchat It’s a hunch. Sorry, I’d need to think a bit more about this.
11:27:16 am tektrekker: @LandDDave a second to ‘learn’ that gas/brake pedals are reversed, hours to unlearn pressing right foot to go faster #lrnchat
11:27:23 am britz: Q3) How can you help learners “unlearn”? // present new knowledge with a WIIFM bent #lrnchat
11:27:23 am jancdavis: RT @marciamarcia: We can’t really unlearn but we can create a mental attic & post a sign that says, “Things I know no longer so.” http://cl.lk/un-dee #lrnchat
11:27:27 am millennial_ID: Q3) unlearning is about change management – help them see the importance of why the change is necessary #lrnchat
11:27:31 am wendiewhelan: @marciamarcia Great article – thanks for sharing – http://cl.lk/un-dee #lrnchat
11:27:38 am KayBallard: RT @marciamarcia: We can’t really unlearn but we can create a mental attic & post a sign that says, “Things I know no longer so.” http://cl.lk/un-dee #lrnchat
11:27:49 am rosamariatorres: #lrnchat The most difficult is to help teachers UNLEARN @lrnchat Q3) How can you help learners “unlearn”?
11:28:12 am hamtra: RT @britz: Q3) How can you help learners “unlearn”? // present new knowledge with a WIIFM bent #lrnchat
11:28:24 am urbie: Q#3, another way to help learners unlearn is through metaphor/humor: putting something sacred behind glass and giving them a hammer #lrnchat
11:28:33 am JudithELS: @urbie but they might need to know how to use both eg a compass when a GPS is not available. #lrnchat
11:28:40 am drtimony: Q3: (no lunch) associate little. #lrnchat
11:28:45 am LandDDave: I agree – the WIIFM is key RT @britz: Q3) How can you help learners “unlearn”? // present new knowledge with a WIIFM bent #lrnchat
11:28:46 am c4lpt: RT @millennial_ID: Q3) unlearning is about change management – help them see the importance of why the change is necessary #lrnchat
11:28:50 am hamtra: Seems like if you can create buy-in you can force the “unlearn” action. #lrnchat
11:29:13 am TamiSchiller: RT @marciamarcia: RT @petersonandrew Unlearning is breaking down knowns to allow new ideas in. #lrnchat
11:29:14 am millennial_ID: RT @britz: Q3) present new knowledge with a WIIFM #lrnchat
11:29:19 am denniscallahan: @LandDDave @amphiboly Is unlearning…learning in reverse? #lrnchat @
11:29:22 am urbie: @millennial_ID but is seeing enought? i think it has to be experienced: it should be personal #lrnchat
11:29:48 am megtastic1521: Q3) Help people “unlearn” (or forget they know something) Reinforce, reinforce, reinforce (the new skill). #lrnchat
11:30:20 am urbie: @JudithELS when you have to travel fast/light would you rather have a compass and a GPS or a spare GPS? #lrnchat
11:30:27 am LandDDave: I look at it as both sides of the coin. RT @denniscallahan: @LandDDave @amphiboly Is unlearning…learning in reverse? #lrnchat @ #lrnchat
11:30:43 am kkapp: #lrnchat can’t make someone unlearn…they have to do it themselves
11:30:53 am millennial_ID: @urbie: seeing = understanding; experience would definitely be beneficial! #lrnchat
11:30:54 am drtimony: WIIFM addresses motivation of some, not most. Most things we teach won’t have that built in and WII is low-return. #lrnchat
11:31:01 am weblearning: Unlearning happens in a resource rich environment. When there’s 1 textbook & an overcrowded classroom, unlearning will not happen #lrnchat
11:31:03 am rosamariatorres: #lrnchat Change is systemic (various sectors, various actors). Thus, if we want to change education, everyone involved needs to unlearn.
11:31:16 am petersonandrew: Q3) remove the process that requires the old knowledge #lrnchat (thinking of technology learned processes)
11:31:33 am JudithELS: RT @urbie: @JudithELS when you have to travel fast/light would you rather have a compass and a GPS or a spare GPS? <a compass! #lrnchat
11:31:36 am LandDDave: Q3) WIIFM usually focuses on why you want to ‘start’. For Unlearn, WIIFM also needs to include why you want to ‘stop’. #lrnchat
11:31:39 am urbie: Q#3, best way to help learners un-learn: by making un-learning resources and experiences available to them #lrnchat
11:31:40 am drtimony: Back to Thorndike. create Annoying state of affairs. It will weaken the associative bond. #lrnchat
11:31:50 am Miley_Grandjean: @THEJ4CK41 I don’t thnk ur 1st shot was “the wrong way” even if u missed. U didn’t unlearn to mke 2nd shot, just learned new style. #lrnchat
11:31:52 am c4lpt: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat can’t make someone unlearn…they have to do it themselves
11:32:02 am desertjul: Haha, WIIFM, whats in it for me? A narcissistic learning perspective… #lrnchat
11:32:32 am amphiboly: #lrnchat Q#3 I would hope helping learners unlearn (when not of factual knowledge) involved addressing their context and point of view
11:32:36 am mimimuircastle: Lrning/unlrning/relrning process is like a cake w. many layers filled with different frosting – each one depends on the next layer! #lrnchat
11:32:43 am TamiSchiller: RT @britz: Q3) How can you help learners “unlearn”? // present new knowledge with a WIIFM bent #lrnchat
11:32:55 am johnssandy: RT @desertjul: Haha, WIIFM, whats in it for me? A narcissistic learning perspective… #lrnchat #lrnchat
11:33:01 am karlrichter: In experiments, hypotheses fail and are unlearned. Unlearning is moving forward. #lrnchat
11:33:13 am kkapp: RT @mimimuircastle: Lrning/unlrning/relrning process is like a cake w. many layers filled with different frosting – each one depends on the next layer! #lrnchat
11:33:24 am johnssandy: RT @c4lpt: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat can’t make someone unlearn…they have to do it themselves can’t make anyone do anything! #lrnchat
11:33:40 am rosamariatorres: #lrnchat UNLEARN = break “common sense” – ideology, prejudices, unquestioned “truths” and certainties.. Q3)
11:33:44 am millennial_ID: you can unlearn f/other people’s experiences. your own experiences are helpful but not always necessary. WIIFM is most important #lrnchat
11:33:45 am hamtra: I don’t know if I ever truly unlearn anything. I just learn a better way and apply it. I still remember the old one. #lrnchat
11:33:59 am CraigTaylor74: RT @lrnchat: Q3) make the new intervention as painless as possible #lrnchat
11:34:32 am drtimony: What is the outcome of the original learning? of the new learning? Let them make decisions as to what gets results. Now practice #lrnchat
11:38:00 am millennial_ID: Totally agree – “un”learning can be extremely positive! RT @bowdenartist: The “un” prefix has a negative connotation. #lrnchat
11:38:07 am urbie: @c4lpt as long as the learner walks away with a spiffy KSA after the change what’s it matter how it’s labeled? #lrnchat
11:38:13 am drtimony: Automaticity. That’s where this becomes challenging. The rest is plastic. #lrnchat
11:38:27 am rbacal: RT @drtimony: What is outcome of the original learning? of new learning? Let them make decisions what gets results. Now practice #lrnchat
11:38:30 am denniscallahan: Need to leave now, it was nice chatting…bye #lrnchat
11:38:34 am amphiboly: karlrichter: In experiments, hypotheses fail and are unlearned. Unlrnng is moving forward. #lrnchat < Like Edison’s 10000 ways it wont work?
11:38:34 am weblearning: Interesting question.#lrnchat If you help someone to unlearn are you unteaching them?😉 Depends on the students levels
11:38:37 am simbeckhampson: Also…there is a benefit to leaving learnt info where it is and not unlearning it… it’s called experience #lrnchat
11:39:08 am LandDDave: Take care – thanks for the input! RT @denniscallahan: Need to leave now, it was nice chatting…bye #lrnchat
11:39:13 am rosamariatorres: #lrnchat Unlearning is not replacing old w/new info RT @simbeckhampson Is it necessary 2 unlearn?Doesn’t new learning replace outdated info?
11:39:14 am bowdenartist: Interesting article on Whats Wrong with WIIFM http://bit.ly/amrxTR #lrnchat
11:39:21 am beckje01: Q3) If help someone to unlearn you are really teaching them why what they knew or did before is wrong. #lrnchat
11:39:28 am britz: Q3) Myths wilt from the heat of research …eh hem ..designing for learning styles?… #lrnchat
11:39:29 am rbacal: @millennial_ID WIIFM interesting since it implies extrinsic reasons. I often learn things when there is really nothing in it for me #lrnchat
11:39:34 am kkapp: RT @simbeckhampson: Also…there is a benefit to leaving learnt info where it is and not unlearning it… it’s called experience #lrnchat
11:39:41 am kelticray: @LandDDave Because you are talking about improving through relearning and it scares me so–Tweetchat #lrnchat
11:39:41 am c4lpt: @urbie Did you spot the winkie? #lrnchat
11:39:50 am johnssandy: RT @: Also…there is a benefit to leaving learnt info where it is and not unlearning it… it’s called experience #lrnchat #lrnchat
11:39:52 am Rsuominen: RT @StephanieDaul @simbeckhampson: Is it really necessary to unlearn something? Doesnt new learning just replace outdated info? #lrnchat
11:40:26 am JudithELS: Have to go now all, many thanks for a very interesting #lrnchat
11:40:33 am LandDDave: @kelticray Ah… so it’s a conspriracy! #lrnchat
11:40:41 am drtimony: for or against? RT @britz: Q3) designing for learning styles?… #lrnchat
11:40:42 am urbie: Q#3, @c4lpt be careful with “winkie” – in some parts of the country winkie is a ____ #lrnchat
11:40:46 am rbacal: @amphiboly With some things meaning of unlearning has impact on how to teach, maybe. Basic stuff only – to extinguish. #lrnchat
11:41:00 am petersonandrew: you can pry the learn from my cold dead hands #lrnchat
11:41:09 am desertjul: Q3 Join your learners as a master learner and be a model for learning, unlearning, relearning, etc. #lrnchat
11:41:43 am c4lpt: @urbie oops, thanks #lrnchat
11:41:46 am simbeckhampson: RT @desertjul: Q3 Join your learners as a master learner and be a model for learning, unlearning, relearning, etc. #lrnchat
11:42:10 am weblearning: #lrnchat unlearning must be put aside. Children’s bedtime now. Daddy duty calls. Will follow the transccript Cheers. Thanks All
11:42:18 am urbie: @c4lpt what winkie, where? #lrnchat
11:42:32 am drtimony: Cannot withhold your struggle. Yes! RT @desertjul: Q3 Join your learners…be a model for learning, unlearning, relearning, etc. #lrnchat
11:42:53 am LandDDave: @weblearning Thanks for joining us. Hope to see you again here soon. #lrnchat
11:42:56 am ErickTaft: RT @hamtra: I don’t know if I ever truly unlearn anything. I just learn a better way and apply it. I still remember the old one. #lrnchat
11:43:44 am lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
11:43:54 am KarenPantos: @simbeckhampson reinforces the need to keep to provide examples that people can relate and /or pull from their experiences #lrnchat
11:43:58 am urbie: Q#3, one more thing about enabling un-learning: it requires a level-playing field; diversity/culture are very real constraints #lrnchat
11:44:11 am drtimony: Ditto. RT @hamtra: I dont know if I ever truly unlearn anything. learn a better way and apply it. I still remember the old one. #lrnchat
11:44:50 am c4lpt: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
11:44:51 am amphiboly: @rbacal #lrnchat Good point… But it does make one wonder about motives
11:44:55 am drtimony: Q4–that they are the magnet for competent people without formal training. #lrnchat
11:45:05 am tmiket: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
11:45:25 am desertjul: @Chief717c we have joined a global chat today, you can check it out at http://twubs.com/lrnchat
11:45:39 am kelticray: @LandDDave Yes, or money–isn’t usually one of those🙂 #lrnchat
11:45:47 am karlrichter: Just felt a small earthquake in San Diego. #lrnchat
11:45:48 am britz: @drtimony http://bit.ly/bwBNck Learning Styles Reviewed by Association for Psychological Science – Will Thalheimer post #lrnchat
11:46:11 am TamiSchiller: Good statement. RT @desertjul: Q3 Join your learners as a master learner and be a model for learning, unlearning, relearning, etc. #lrnchat
11:46:17 am urbie: Q#4, iorganization needs to un-learn everything after kindergarten; some times the solution to a problem really is that simple #lrnchat
11:46:36 am tmiket: Q4 Wish my org would unlearn that training = learning #lrnchat
11:46:53 am LandDDave: q4) I’d go back to @ronprice ‘s comment – Racism, hatred, sexism or any other bias. #lrnchat
11:47:12 am tmiket: Q4 That ILT is only way to learn #lrnchat
11:47:15 am kkapp: @drtimony @hamtra you guys must be young…I forget stuff I once knew all the time:) #lrnchat (like to put #lrnchat in original tweet)
11:47:16 am desertjul: Q4 unlearn factory-era teaching & learning and join the 21st Century please🙂 #lrnchat
11:47:34 am drtimony: @britz styles result from measurement based on static input (teaching). Change input and ‘styles’ change too. Imagine that.🙂 #lrnchat
11:47:37 am amphiboly: #lrnchat Q4: Doesn’t this presuppose that the organization, as an organization, had learned?
11:48:15 am tmiket: Q4 That formal learning is the only option and stop ignoring the informal side and start actually participating with it. #lrnchat
11:48:26 am bowdenartist: Q4) Like to see org unlearn having others tell them what to learn. #lrnchat
11:48:34 am simbeckhampson: Must learn not to unlearn concentration when bullets are flying around my ears #lrnchat Bye all…
11:48:48 am LandDDave: Q4) I wish organizations would learn unlearn the idea that training is event-based instead of a process. (not unlearning really…) #lrnchat
11:48:53 am drtimony: Q4: Learning = change in behavior. Keep it really simple. What beh has changed that you would change/change back? #lrnchat
11:49:01 am tmiket: YES >RT @bowdenartist: Q4) Like to see org unlearn having others tell them what to learn. #lrnchat
11:49:05 am urbie: @amphiboly organization = the sum part of the organs within it; fact: learning happens even when it’s not the right learning #lrnchat
11:49:23 am Rsuominen: Q4) Teacher-centered instruction #lrnchat
11:49:27 am LandDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What would you like to see your organization or society unlearn? What should they replace that with? #lrnchat
11:49:30 am karlrichter: RT @LandDDave: q4) Id go back to @ronprice s comment – Racism, hatred, sexism or any other bias.> This is the challenge of our age #lrnchat
11:49:38 am drtimony: HA! YES! RT @LandDDave: Q4) I wish organizations would learn unlearn the idea that training is event-based instead of a process. #lrnchat
11:50:00 am britz: @drtimony Will’s blog is a daily read for me! good stuff, eh? #lrnchat
11:50:20 am c4lpt: Q4) Society/organisations need to un-learn the need to control everything (and everyones learning) #lrnchat
11:50:24 am millennial_ID: earthquake during #lrnchat!!!!!
11:50:25 am lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
11:50:38 am amphiboly: RT @LandDDave: Q4) I wish organizations would learn unlearn the idea that training is event-based instead of a process. #lrnchat < Agree!
11:50:42 am wendiewhelan: #lrnchat is more exciting during earthquakes
11:50:51 am britz: Q4) Org needs to unlearn the belief/practice that training is the only avenue to learning. #lrnchat
11:50:54 am hollyrae: #lrnchat Q4) orgs need to unlearn centralized approaches to communication
11:50:55 am tmiket: Q4 Would love org to unlearn that learners aren’t looked at as valuable resources themselves who can contribute great value! #lrnchat
11:51:15 am pharmakon: back in action #lrnchat
11:51:18 am drtimony: @britz Change the lightbulb…hey wait…this isn’t the color I chose for the living room! #lrnchat
11:51:21 am Rsuominen: Same here RT @LandDDave Q4) I wish organizations would learn unlearn the idea that training is event-based instead of a process. #lrnchat
11:51:39 am johnssandy: johnssandy here-NMSU Las Cruces NM Regional Educational Technology Assistance Teacher Developer Trainer #lrnchat
11:52:08 am urbie: Qwrap) urbano delgado, instructional designer.. http://www.ficacy.com #lrnchat
11:52:16 am LandDDave: Qwrap) David Kelly, Corporate Training Director in NYC, slowly plotting my path towards independant. #lrnchat
11:52:21 am tmiket: Indeed! > RT @LandDDave Q4) I wish organizations would learn unlearn the idea that training is event-based instead of a process. #lrnchat
11:52:41 am millennial_ID: qwrap) <– christina, instructional designer in orange county, ca #lrnchat
11:52:42 am johnssandy: Register! #nmste10 free Virtual Conference Strand http://bit.ly/cUspMi happening now! Wow! attend some of the conference online! #lrnchat
11:52:46 am Rsuominen: RT @hollyrae #lrnchat Q4) orgs need to unlearn centralized approaches to communication
11:52:50 am rosamariatorres: #lrnchat A thorough knowledge-base on learning is needed in order 2 be able 2 deal w/ “unlearning” – just checked,there are many definitions
11:52:57 am michaelcjohnson: RT @c4lpt: Q4) Society/organisations need to un-learn the need to control everything (and everyones learning) #lrnchat
11:53:06 am tektrekker: thank you all for such a wonderful hour of learning/unlearning! Bethany NMSU and Sloan-C instructional designer hasta luego #lrnchat
11:53:07 am urbie: @johnssandy ooo that’s where i hope to land some day: NMSU.. #lrnchat
11:53:10 am desertjul: Have the best day ever, everyone! Julia frm LC, NM, OTL @nmsu & @retazens Hope you can join us for our free & fun webinars.nmsu.edu #lrnchat
11:53:28 am wendiewhelan: Agreed!! RT @LandDDave Q4) I wish organizations would learn unlearn the idea that training is event-based instead of a process. #lrnchat
11:53:31 am megtastic1521: Q4) Organization needs to unlearn the one way is the best way and that’s that philosophy. #lrnchat
11:53:34 am simbeckhampson: @drtimony Thankyou for the explanation… #lrnchat
11:53:50 am evemarfil: We don’t unlearn or unteach. We re-adress subjects shaping them in a different way. Neurology explains it! #lrnchat
11:54:10 am hollyrae: #lrnchat I work for @retazens and @nmsu ~ we want you to know about New Mexico’s virtual conference re: k12 & edtech http://bit.ly/cUspMi
11:54:17 am c4lpt: Qwrap) Time to go already, this was interesting – Jane Hart from the UK #lrnchat
11:54:18 am bowdenartist: RT @hollyrae: #lrnchat Q4) orgs need to unlearn centralized approaches to communication
11:54:35 am amphiboly: RT @Rsuominen RT @hollyrae #lrnchat Q4) orgs need to unlearn centralized approaches to communication < Agree on this
11:54:38 am britz: Meeting in 8 min. Mark Britz, Official title ISD. Syracuse, NY. Great being here today!! #lrnchat
11:54:53 am pharmakon: Back in time for wrap! doh Qw) James Kocher, online course coordinator, bassist http://bit.ly/9exJoq <– shameless plug #lrnchat
11:55:04 am johnssandy: RT @urbie: @johnssandy ooo that’s where i hope to land some day: NMSU.. #lrnchat come on down! #lrnchat
11:55:05 am kelticray: RT @Rsuominen @LandDDave Q4) I wish organizations wud learn unlearn the idea training is event-based instead of a process.#lrnchat I second!
11:55:14 am kkapp: Karl Kapp: Bloomsburg University’s Graduate program of ID. Author of books about convergence of learning &technology #lrnchat #lrn3d adios
11:55:17 am wendiewhelan: Wendie – Talent Dev HRMS Mgr – Orange County, CA – enjoyed my first #lrnchat see you next week!
11:55:24 am rosamariatorres: #lrnchat There are certain key categories that serve as pillars for reproducing “old education” – those should be targetted for “unlearning”
11:55:29 am megtastic1521: Qwrap) Megan from MI, training manager (course developer/media production) @ Whirlpool. This was informative as always! #lrnchat
11:55:45 am notionlearning: Qwrap) Good discussion,should have contributed more… got an LMS to launch in a week or two🙂 Take care everyone #lrnchat
11:55:56 am amphiboly: @urbie #lrnchat Good point, but only true if one can organization can act collectively through the learning of its constituent parts
11:56:07 am karlrichter: Karl Richter, san diego elearning consultant. First time at #lrnchat Today’s unlearning literally moved the ground beneath my feet. #lrnchat
11:56:09 am desertjul: RT @hollyrae: #lrnchat I work for @retazens and @nmsu ~ we want you to know about New Mexico’s virtual conference re: k12 & edtech http://bit.ly/cUspMi
11:56:11 am rosamariatorres: #lrnchat Rosa Maria Torres. Pedagogue and linguist. Ecuador.
11:56:14 am evemarfil: About neurology and learning, see the paper from Antonio and Hanna Damasio ´Brain art and educationª http://bit.ly/9KV73g #lrnchat
11:56:15 am johnssandy: @retazens and @nmsu ~ we want you to know about New Mexico’s virtual conference re: k12 & edtech http://bit.ly/cUspMi #lrnchat
11:56:33 am Rsuominen: Thanks for a nice #lrnchat. Riitta Suominen, #e-learning consultant and course designer. #lrnchat
11:57:05 am drtimony: David Timony K12 teacher and professor. Expertise theorist, Educational psychologist. Enjoyable, folks. Thanks! #lrnchat
11:57:12 am LandDDave: Thanks for another great chat all. I hope see you all next week! #lrnchat
11:57:50 am bowdenartist: First time at #lrnchat. Loved it! Thanks!
11:58:02 am simbeckhampson: @desertjul very literal #lrnchat http://twitpic.com/1e2r1o
11:58:27 am amphiboly: Thank you everyone — Mike Pino for Harvard Business School Publishing signing off #lrnchat
11:58:35 am StephanieDaul: @bowdenartist Hope to see you next week! #lrnchat
11:58:37 am kkapp: @bowdenartist #lrnchat thanks for attending:)
11:58:45 am LandDDave: Thanks for joining us. I hope we see you again soon. RT @bowdenartist: First time at #lrnchat. Loved it! Thanks! #lrnchat
11:58:51 am c4lpt: Thanks everyone #lrnchat now over for me for today
11:59:36 am johnssandy: Thanks all-what a stimulating discussion! See you next time- #lrnchat
12:00:11 pm amphiboly: Had fun at this week’s lrnchat (#lrnchat)

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