Transcript 4 March 2010 (early)

9:30:13 am lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
9:31:02 am lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
9:31:04 am alisonrbcm: RT @bschlenker: Training v. Learning is the EU #lrnchat topic starting now – grab a cup ‘o joe and relax with us
9:32:06 am lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
9:32:25 am sifowler: Participating in #lrnchat for next 90 mins. topic is “training vs learning”
9:32:27 am Dave_Ferguson: Isn’t “unrelated tweets” kind of like “liquid water?” #lrnchat
9:32:59 am Rsuominen: For next 60 min I’ll be participating in a #lrnchat session.
9:33:02 am kelly_smith01: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Isn’t “unrelated tweets” kind of like “liquid water?” #lrnchat
9:33:05 am lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
9:33:08 am cynthiahaan: Hi-Cynthia, Phoenix, eLearning-Corporate, Mlearning #lrnchat
9:33:27 am kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, ISD Person, Addiefied, from the colonies #lrnchat
9:33:40 am dmccraine: I’m trying Netvibes widget today RT @sifowler: What tools do#lrnchat folk use to keep up with the splendid frenzy that is #lrnchat?
9:33:44 am c4lpt: Q0 Hi, I’m Jane Hart, nr Bath in the UK, Social media and learning consultancy and all things related #lrnchat
9:33:52 am MichelleLavoie: Hi there! Michelle, #EMC, Massachusetts, learning via SoMe is my interest #lrnchat
9:33:53 am bschlenker: Q0 Brent Schlenker – The eLearning Guild – LS2010, mLearnCon, DevLearn – Phx, AZ – Yeah SUN!!! #lrnchat
9:33:54 am neillasher: Hi this is Neil Lasher in London, Dr. eLearning to you… one of your moderators for #lrnchat today
9:34:03 am lrnchat: 4) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well
9:34:05 am britz: @cynthiahaan welcome cynthiahaan …we’ve been waiting for you #lrnchat
9:34:34 am Dave_Ferguson: Wash DC-based, Whiteboard-blogging consultant in training, org learning, performance improvement, freelance analogies. #lrnchat
9:34:38 am diginomics: RT @c4lpt Q0 Hi, I’m Jane Hart, nr Bath in the UK, Social media and learning consultancy and all things related #lrnchat
9:34:40 am Ginaschreck: Hello #lrnchat Gina from Colorado -sorry Im late to class (*slides in back row quietly-then falls off seat*)
9:34:48 am JudithELS: Hi Judith Christian-Carter, Warwickshire, Ins. Des. & small bis owner #lrnchat
9:34:50 am neillasher: Q0 what I learned today, don’t go too fats the speed cameras flash…#lrnchat
9:34:51 am sifowler: Simon Fowler, R&D at Forum Corporation, Brit living in Boston, MA, Love people & technology #lrnchat
9:34:53 am InSyncEU: Q0 – Hi – David Smith, Leeds Yorkshire, Helping Trainers/Designers/Companies to be more effective in the live online classroom #lrnchat
9:34:59 am TerrenceWing: Terrence Wing from Los Angeles – Greeting from the other side of the pond #lrnchat
9:35:05 am lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about & they can chime in too.
9:35:08 am mrch0mp3rs: @dmccraine I use http://tweetgrid.com/irc #lrnchat
9:35:12 am neillasher: Too fats? ha ha too fast! #lrnchat
9:35:14 am Rsuominen: Riitta Suominen from Tampere, Finland – eTeacher, Course Designer, Writer, eLearning Consultant. #lrnchat
9:35:17 am kelly_smith01: Favorite topic: Skinnerian teaching machines #lrnchat
9:35:22 am bschlenker: @cynthiahaan Hello fellow Phoenician – please tell me about your mLearning experiences #lrnchat
9:35:46 am dbolen: Q0 Don Bolen, Atlanta GA, project manager, designer, learning strategy #lrnchat
9:35:50 am StephanieDaul: Hi Stephanie Daul from Chicago #lrnchat
9:36:07 am britz: hi, mark britz. syracuse, ny. ID, pm, elearning guy, sm 4 learning advocate, lrnchatter #lrnchat
9:36:10 am lrnchat: 6) On #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm & irony welcome though. Really.
9:36:21 am Dave_Ferguson: @neillasher If you’re too fats, often everything else is too fast. #lrnchat
9:36:22 am dmccraine: Q0 – Danny McCraine, Iowa, USA – eLearning eVangelist #lrnchat
9:36:23 am cynthiahaan: @bschlenker #lrnchat Actually, I want to learn more about m-learning. so far have only done testing for prior company. hello phoenician.🙂
9:36:26 am techherding: Includes Whack-A-Mole, I hope! RT @kelly_smith01: Favorite topic: Skinnerian teaching machines #lrnchat
9:36:52 am mellissalast: Hi, this is Mellissa Last from Canada. Fave topic (this week): creating community with sales reps from various locations #lrnchat
9:36:59 am Ginaschreck: #lrnchat where smart people gather to tweet about learning! Join in or tune out (your brain will be sorry!)
9:37:03 am dbolen: @sifowler TweetChat http://tweetchat.com/ #lrnchat
9:37:06 am StephanieDaul: ID, eLearning, ILT, Social Media, anything learning #lrnchat
9:37:17 am alisonrbcm: Alison Smith Paddle Finder living across the forth from Edinburgh and interested in people having passion for what they do #lrnchat
9:37:32 am neillasher: @Dave_Ferguson obviously typed too fats too… #lrnchat
9:37:38 am StephanieDaul: @mellissalast Same thing here #lrnchat
9:37:57 am jenisecook: Jenise from southern Calif. #learning solopreneur in home office arriving late to #lrnchat
9:38:03 am sifowler: Thanks! RT @lrnchat: http://tweetchat.com http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well | RT @dmcraine netvibes widget #lrnchat
9:38:03 am lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
9:38:11 am InSyncEU: Q0 – What did I learn today? Intro’d to Timebridge from @simbeckhampson – Great app – can see me using that !! went for the trial #lrnchat
9:38:25 am c4lpt: UK people come and join #lrnchat
9:38:40 am bschlenker: @neillasher the fatser you type – the betser you get #lrnchat
9:38:42 am StephanieDaul: I’ve learned I need to get my time zones figured out #lrnchat
9:38:51 am MichelleLavoie: Comfort can easily turn to complacency (what I learned this week) #lrnchat
9:39:07 am JudithELS: Q0 – that I badly needed to wear glasses for reading! #lrnchat
9:39:25 am mrch0mp3rs: Q0 – “Intertwingularity” http://amplify.com/u/2870 #lrnchat
9:39:30 am kelly_smith01: I have my sweatshirt with a big “L” on (for Learning) in the Training vs Learning match. Also some pom poms and megaphone #lrnchat
9:39:46 am jenisecook: Q0 Learned about decision matrix to determine Onsite vs. Online #learning #lrnchat
9:39:59 am cynthiahaan: #lrnchat Q0 Learned how to include practice before narrative in linear cbt.
9:40:00 am TerrenceWing: @StephanieDaul Funny how 10 years ago that wasn’t even a needed skill set #lrnchat
9:40:10 am MichelleLavoie: Q0 It’s better to witness conflict in a meeting when you’re dialing in from home #lrnchat
9:40:16 am janwebb21: @JudithELS QO – me too! Jan from Cheshire UK #lrnchat
9:40:20 am tonya_simmons: Hi all – Tonya Goth Simmons, production designer, Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames, IA http://bit.ly/qSxMf #lrnchat
9:40:23 am sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
9:40:25 am Ginaschreck: Q0- I learned some cool video editing tricks for the ol’ http://GettinGeeky.com videos! FUN & Learning-hand-in-hand #lrnchat
9:40:27 am busynessgirl: Learned (well synthesized) parallels between learning algebra and playing games. #lrnchat
9:40:50 am Dave_Ferguson: Learned that informed encouragement is a lot better than yelling ‘get out of your comfort zone.’ #lrnchat
9:40:58 am InSyncEU: @StephanieDaul Hi Stephanie – had same problem then got intro’d to this website… no more time zone problems http://bit.ly/diWfS #lrnchat
9:41:00 am mrch0mp3rs: Re: Timezones… RT @TerrenceWing: @StephanieDaul Funny how 10 years ago that wasn’t even a needed skill set #lrnchat
9:41:27 am larshyland: Hi – this is Lars Hyland in Brighton UK – Dir of Learning Services, Brightwave – #lrnchat – Hi all
9:41:36 am britz: I’ve learned lately – 3c’s, 3r’s of mlearning – community, collaboration, context/ review, reinforce, refresh #lrnchat
9:41:36 am sifowler: Q0 I’ve learned that for senior leaders to embrace SoMe they need to be comfortable with ambiguity and vulnerability #lrnchat
9:41:38 am mahclair: Hailing from MD. @jenisecook @bschlenker Interesting. Does that decision matrix come in the form of a link we can use/see? #lrnchat
9:41:39 am kelly_smith01: I learned you can never stop proof-reading. #lrnchat
9:41:47 am Ginaschreck: Q0) Also learned this week to show live web stream in SecondLife for training purposes! COOL stuff #lrnchat
9:41:52 am StephanieDaul: @InSyncEU Thanks! Coming back from vacation could have something to do with it #lrnchat
9:41:53 am tonya_simmons: Q0 – learning that software testing is a long, slow process, we’re working on an LMS update #lrnchat
9:42:08 am neillasher: @bschlenker the faster you go the brighter they flash #lrnchat
9:42:10 am bschlenker: Q0 – I learned today that people still use the term CBT – and companies sales orgs call it Sales Training NOT eLearning #lrnchat
9:42:10 am busynessgirl: RT @Ginaschreck: #lrnchat where smart people gather to tweet about learning! Join in or tune out (your brain will be sorry!)
9:42:25 am willswords: I learned that a smiley face that displays after you brush your teeth for two minutes can be quite motivating. #lrnchat
9:42:26 am c4lpt: Q0 Learned that nothing runs smoothly. Why did I think it would? #lrnchat
9:42:31 am Ginaschreck: @Dave_Ferguson You mean the yelling is BAD? Wow I’ve learned something in #lrnchat already!
9:42:32 am mrch0mp3rs: RT @sifowler: Q0 I’ve learned that for senior leaders to embrace SoMe they need to be comfortable with ambiguity and vulnerability #lrnchat
9:42:34 am notionlearning: ID – Dave Ganly, london UK, CEO, Notion Learning – developing brand new learning management system / vle targeted at businesses #lrnchat
9:42:47 am techherding: If you just hit “publish” all errors become apparent instantly… RT @kelly_smith01: I learned you can never stop proof-reading. #lrnchat
9:42:52 am MichelleLavoie: Learned that opportunity is it’s own reward #lrnchat
9:43:00 am neillasher: if there is no trainer, how can it be training? #lrnchat
9:43:05 am jseevers: Q0 What did I learn today? I’ve learned that even though someone may be capable, they may not be competent… #lrnchat
9:43:08 am jenisecook: @mahclair I’m going to blog about Onsite vs. Online decision matrix. Was fm ASTD chapter meeting, fm Dir. of Distance Learning UCI. #lrnchat
9:43:10 am TerrenceWing: I was reminded about assumptions. Always a valuable lesson #lrnchat
9:43:12 am Dave_Ferguson: @c4lpt You must never have worked for a corporation, then. #lrnchat
9:43:15 am larshyland: #lrnchat Q0 I learned: “Spear phishing” = targeted email attack on individuals where they already know something personal about you
9:43:21 am Ginaschreck: RT @britz: I’ve learned- 3c’s, 3r’s of mlearning – community, collaboration, context/ review, reinforce, refresh #lrnchat
9:43:39 am mrch0mp3rs: @techherding “with enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow.” – @amcafee #lrnchat
9:44:11 am mahclair: RT @jseevers: Q0 What did I learn today? I’ve learned that even though someone may be capable, they may not be competent… #lrnchat
9:44:11 am jenisecook: Learned via Chileans on Twitter that “replicas” means aftershocks. #lrnchat
9:44:21 am MichelleLavoie: Do we need trainers to teach people? #lrnchat
9:44:25 am alisonrbcm: Q0: Learning this week = Taking time off line & turning off mobile is liberating but asking others to u can get alot of “Yes but”s #lrnchat
9:44:26 am mrch0mp3rs: @popwilleatme You really should be on #lrnchat, dude.
9:44:43 am willswords: I learned from @dmccraine that http://tweetgrid.com/irc is a great way to follow twitter chat. #lrnchat
9:44:58 am jenisecook: @britz Q0 Can you blog abt those 3 Cs for #mlearning? #lrnchat
9:44:58 am c4lpt: @Dave_Ferguson Was actually referring to trains running smoothly🙂 #lrnchat
9:45:06 am neillasher: RT @jseevers: Q0 What did I learn today? I’ve learned that even though someone may be capable, they may not be competent… #lrnchat
9:45:07 am lrnchat: Q1) Do you view the nouns “training” and “learning” as the synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
9:45:11 am Ginaschreck: RT @sifowler: Q0 I’ve learned for sr leadrs to embrace Soc Med they need to be comfortble w ambiguity & vulnerability #lrnchat
9:45:14 am sifowler: RT @Ginaschreck: RT @britz: I’ve learned- 3c’s, 3r’s of mlearning – community, collaboration, context/ review, reinforce, refresh #lrnchat
9:45:20 am Dave_Ferguson: Speaking of s/w testing, at a GE division, QC mgr offered $50 cash for 1st report of demonstrable error/bug. THAT’S alpha testing. #lrnchat
9:45:31 am jenisecook: @willswords Q0 I’m using TweetChat http://www.tweetchat.com to follow #lrnchat
9:45:39 am TerrenceWing: RT @lrnchat: Q1) Do you view the nouns “training” and “learning” as the synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
9:45:41 am mrch0mp3rs: RT @lrnchat: Q1) Do you view the nouns “training” and “learning” as the synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
9:45:56 am MichelleLavoie: Q1 I see training as a demeaning word (we train dogs); learning is the outcome of collaborative discovery #lrnchat
9:46:02 am mellissalast: @StephanieDaul I’d love to chat post #lrnchat. I have about 3,000 reps as active learners.
9:46:07 am StephanieDaul: Q1) Training and Learning are not the same thing #lrnchat
9:46:14 am jenisecook: RT @lrnchat: Q1) Do you view the nouns “training” and “learning” as the synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
9:46:20 am sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q1) Do you view the nouns “training” and “learning” as the synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
9:46:24 am JudithELS: Q1 No. Training is something I might do to people and learning is what I hope they do as a result #lrnchat
9:46:38 am britz: RT @jenisecook: @britz Q0 Can you blog abt those 3 Cs for #mlearning?// hope to soon and look for much feedback/input #lrnchat
9:46:40 am bschlenker: BREAKING NEWS – RT @ShellTerrell: Workplace E-Learning Reaches Maturity http://bit.ly/daJvH6 #elearning #lrnchat <> love it
9:48:12 am c4lpt: Q1 Passive v Active Training is what is done to you (passive) so you might not learn! Learning is what you do yourself (active) #lrnchat
9:48:15 am techherding: Q1: “Learning” is what we (practitioners) claim happens during training. Depending on the level of the bar, occasionally true. #lrnchat
9:48:22 am jenisecook: RT @TerrenceWing: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q1 – Generally “learning” conscious/unconscious process; “training” is something we do to others #lrnchat
9:48:33 am sifowler: Also, training is an input, learning is an output RT @TerrenceWing: Q1: Training is a tactic, Learning is an outcome or result #lrnchat
9:48:47 am bschlenker: RT @mrch0mp3rs: We all learn; not all of us train. #lrnchat <<Perfect – next Question!
9:48:54 am Dave_Ferguson: Q1 part 2: Training (in theo) planned effort to help increase acquis of relevant skills; learning, acquisition w/in indiv. #lrnchat
9:49:01 am MichelleLavoie: @techherding I prefe thinking that we facilitate learning vs. train #lrnchat
9:49:02 am jenisecook: Q1 Training is mandated by the corporation. Learning is mandated by the individual and/or the team & happens anytime, anywhere. #lrnchat
9:49:04 am britz: Q1) Training is just one approach to foster learning #lrnchat
9:49:17 am kelticray: #lrnchat Q0 Donna Bailey SLC, UT sorry I'm late.
9:49:18 am JudithELS: @MichelleLavoie Q1 Depends on what people need to learn, discovery might be a training objective #lrnchat
9:49:18 am mellissalast: Here here! RT @MichelleLavoie: Q0 It's better to witness conflict in a meeting when you're dialing in from home #lrnchat
9:49:26 am mrch0mp3rs: You can train others. You can be trained. I don't think you can learn others, not in the same directive way as we train. #lrnchat
9:49:27 am alisonrbcm: RT @MichelleLavoie: Q1 I see training as a demeaning word (we train dogs); learning is the outcome of collaborative discovery #lrnchat
9:49:36 am techherding: Woot! Woot! RT @jenisecook et. al. …"training" is something we do to others… #lrnchat
9:49:39 am Rsuominen:🙂 RT @techherding Q1: "training" means a day off with a free lunch. #lrnchat
9:49:41 am TerrenceWing: Is experience simply informal training that leads to informal learning? Is every learning outcome due to an exp #lrnchat
9:49:43 am KoreenOlbrish: *wave* to EU/daytime #lrnchat …sorry to miss it, but this girl's got a day job! See everyone at the second shift tonight!
9:49:43 am sifowler: Those are verbs … and that's why I'm struggling with the question RT @mrch0mp3rs: We all learn; not all of us train. #lrnchat
9:49:45 am mahclair: RT @MichelleLavoie: @techherding I prefe thinking that we facilitate learning vs. train #lrnchat
9:49:46 am StephanieDaul: I can train someone or thing I can't teach someone if they don't want to learn #lrnchat
9:49:49 am tonya_simmons: Q1) Learning = what I do to enrich my life; training = what I do to perform in better in my job #lrnchat
9:49:53 am jenisecook: RT @JudithELS: @MichelleLavoie Q1 Depends on what people need to learn, discovery might be a training objective #lrnchat
9:49:54 am ethang: RT @lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
9:49:55 am InSyncEU: Q1 Training develops knowledge skills & competencies, learning develop behaviour, habits, doing things different than b4 learning #lrnchat
9:50:04 am dmccraine: from @mrch0mp3rs, actually @willswords: I learned from @dmccraine that http://tweetgrid.com/irc is a great way to follow twitter. #lrnchat
9:50:10 am jenisecook: RT @tonya_simmons: Q1) Learning = what I do to enrich my life; training = what I do to perform in better in my job #lrnchat
9:50:19 am kelly_smith01: RT @c4lpt: Q1 Passive v Active Training is what is done to U passive so you might not learn-Learning is what U do yourself active #lrnchat
9:50:21 am mahclair: RT @mrch0mp3rs: You can train others. You can be trained. I don't think you can learn others, not in the same directive way as we train. #lrnchat
9:50:23 am cynthiahaan: @bschlenker and it's not even a cbt, but online training, i'm so programmed to repeat after them, like a parrot🙂 #lrnchat
9:50:28 am mrch0mp3rs: Training is about transfer of an algorithm. Learning is about discovering a heuristic. #lrnchat
9:50:30 am c4lpt: Q1 To learn you don't need training #lrnchat
9:50:45 am jenisecook: @InSyncEU Q1 But Learning can also develop KSAs… not just via Training. #lrnchat
9:50:49 am notionlearning: Q1 Learning is unavoidable, simply by being alive it occurs.Training is a formal instance of an effort to provoke specific learning #lrnchat
9:50:54 am MichelleLavoie: Q1 I learn every day, yet don't have a trainer #lrnchat
9:51:00 am usablelearning: Ditto! RT @KoreenOlbrish *wave* to EU/daytime #lrnchat …sorry to miss it, but this girl's got a day job!
9:51:02 am Ginaschreck: Q1) Do you view nouns "training" & "Learning" as synonymous? Why/Whynot? -No-Training=I show/tell you. Learning=You discover #lrnchat
9:51:05 am jenisecook: I hate big words. LOL RT @mrch0mp3rs: Training is about transfer of an algorithm. Learning is about discovering a heuristic. #lrnchat
9:51:18 am kelly_smith01: Learning is PULL Training is PUSH #lrnchat
9:51:38 am techherding: What she said! RT @c4lpt: Q1 To learn you don't need training #lrnchat
9:51:48 am mellissalast: Q1) Learning: I am an active participant – I am doing. Training: I'm more passive – Someone is training me. You train a dog. #lrnchat
9:51:54 am jenisecook: RT @MichelleLavoie: Q1 I learn every day, yet dont have a trainer #lrnchat
9:51:55 am dbolen: RT @kelly_smith01: Learning is PULL Training is PUSH #lrnchat
9:52:01 am neillasher: @c4lpt I agree but you cant expect a pilot or surgeon to learn by themselves, they need to be trained #lrnchat
9:52:01 am janwebb21: RT @jenisecook: RT @tonya_simmons: Q1) Learning = what I do to enrich my life; training = what I do to perform in better in my job #lrnchat
9:52:05 am sifowler: Q1 seems almost no-one sees training or learning as nouns? most answers treat them as verbs #lrnchat … but does that change the question?
9:52:10 am kelticray: #lrnchat Q1) We are all "learning," even as trainers. Learning is not equal to training. Learning happens whether training or not.
9:52:10 am ethang: @jimgroom @ninaumw i recall being punished for taking chances and finding my own way as a student. #lrnchat
9:52:18 am britz: rats – meeting in 9 minutes. See some of you tonight #lrnchat
9:52:22 am InSyncEU: We can train a dog to fetch a stick, but what does he learn? #lrnchat
9:52:23 am StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q1) Do you view the nouns “training” and “learning” as the synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
9:52:26 am Dave_Ferguson: I do think it's a fallacy that you can't use training to foster focused learning… #lrnchat
9:52:32 am jenisecook: RT @c4lpt: Q1 To learn you dont need training … Sometimes during Learning we discover we need Training. #lrnchat
9:52:36 am Ginaschreck: RT @techherding: Q1: To the victims, "training" means a day off with a free lunch. #lrnchat
9:52:54 am dmccraine: Q1) my def. of teaching=to cause to learn. I can't cause to train. #lrnchat
9:53:03 am ssusarla: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Training is about transfer of an algorithm. Learning is about discovering a heuristic. #lrnchat
9:53:15 am Dave_Ferguson: …though it's often a delusion that org activity labeled "training" causes learning to happen (let alone desired impact to occur). #lrnchat
9:53:23 am MichelleLavoie: @InSyncEU That fetching a stick will give the dog love & praise #lrnchat
9:53:27 am alisonrbcm: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Training is about transfer of an algorithm. Learning is about discovering a heuristic. #lrnchat
9:53:32 am sifowler: RT @Dave_Ferguson: I do think it's a fallacy that you can't use training to foster focused learning… #lrnchat
9:53:40 am techherding: Q1: Nothing wrong with "training". Like "education", we've made the participants fear the experience by how we manage it. #lrnchat
9:53:41 am britz: Nouns – if corporate do you call yourselves T&D or L&D …does it matter?…should it? #lrnchat
9:53:54 am JudithELS: @InSyncEU It's a shame they (dogs) can't tell us what they have learned! #lrnchat
9:53:55 am jenisecook: RT @neillasher: @c4lpt I agree but you cant expect a pilot or surgeon to learn by themselves, they need to be trained #lrnchat
9:54:04 am janet_frg: @InSyncEU agreed: training = basic skills, fundamentals; learning is something deeper. both have a place. right tool 4 right job #lrnchat
9:54:05 am c4lpt: Q1 Training is not a pre-requisite of learning! #lrnchat
9:54:07 am mellissalast: Yes! Ha! RT @techherding: Q1: "Learning" is what we (practitioners) claim happens during training. #lrnchat
9:54:09 am Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler It's those damned gerunds. #lrnchat
9:54:11 am jenisecook: RT @britz: Nouns – if corporate do you call yourselves T&D or L&D …does it matter?…should it? #lrnchat
9:54:19 am InSyncEU: @jenisecook Agreed… but when we train do we necessarily change habits, behaviours ways of doing? #lrnchat
9:54:20 am bschlenker: @cynthiahaan I hear ya – I'd call it LMNOP-Learning if that's what a paying client wanted to call it😉 #lrnchat
9:54:21 am StephanieDaul: We are Employee Development #lrnchat
9:54:22 am MichelleLavoie: @britz L&D is far more 'customer focused'; T&D is inward focused #lrnchat
9:54:34 am sifowler: good one … RT @dmccraine: Q1) my def. of teaching=to cause to learn. I can't cause to train. #lrnchat
9:54:36 am kvnmcl: #lrnchat Q0 ICT Coordinator/Primary Teacher Leics UK I've learned yet again to check work before presenting it at assembly
9:54:38 am mellissalast: Q1) Training is what mgmt likes to hear. It sounds measurable. #lrnchat
9:54:53 am learninganorak: @dmccraine You can't 'cause' anyone to learn. You can help them learn, but learning is in the learner's hands #lrnchat
9:54:53 am Rsuominen: Q1 Learning is fun, training is work. #lrnchat
9:54:53 am busynessgirl: Is it heretical to say learning is fun, training is not fun? #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:54:59 am StephanieDaul: Being Employee Development is not always "formal" learning #lrnchat
9:55:09 am mahclair: I like that. @StephanieDaul We are Employee Development #lrnchat
9:55:19 am jenisecook: @InSyncEU I hope we do when we Train… those are Objectives. #lrnchat
9:55:20 am techherding: Q1: My dogs have "learned" that when wife arrives home, dinner happens. There was no "training" involved. #lrnchat
9:55:25 am Dave_Ferguson: @MichelleLavoie Sadly, T&D, L&D, (whathaveyou)&(whathaveyou) often jump-when-boss-says-jump – oriented. #lrnchat
9:55:27 am LearningPutty: Q1) To me learning is the process of retaining information and understanding how to use it. Some people need 2 learn how 2 learn. #lrnchat
9:55:30 am StephanieDaul: RT @learninganorak: @dmccraine You cant cause anyone to learn. You can help them learn, but learning is in the learners hands #lrnchat
9:55:31 am dawngartin: RT @kelly_smith01: Learning is PULL Training is PUSH #lrnchat
9:55:35 am kelticray: @mellissalast Haha! So are we looking to do learning sessions vs training sessions so we don't make our learners feel like dogs? #lrnchat
9:55:36 am britz: RT @MichelleLavoie: @britz L&D is far more customer focused; T&D is inward focused// also L&D aims for much broader reach! #lrnchat
9:55:44 am mahclair: RT @mellissalast: Q1) Training is what mgmt likes to hear. It sounds measurable. #lrnchat
9:55:45 am techherding: I want to attend your events! RT @Rsuominen: Q1 Learning is fun, training is work. #lrnchat
9:55:48 am Dave_Ferguson: @busynessgirl Not necessarily, but it's sure understandable. #lrnchat
9:55:48 am AndreaMeyer: nice! RT @mrch0mp3rs: Training is about transfer of an algorithm. Learning is about discovering a heuristic #lrnchat
9:55:50 am mpalko: RT @dbolen: RT @kelly_smith01: Learning is PULL Training is PUSH #lrnchat
9:55:53 am c4lpt: Q1 I love learning! I hate being trained! #lrnchat
9:55:54 am kelly_smith01: RT @techherding: Q1: Nothing wrong with "training",like "education", we made participants fear the experience by how we manage it. #lrnchat
9:55:57 am mellissalast: RT @StephanieDaul: I can train someone or thing I can't teach someone if they don't want to learn #lrnchat
9:56:05 am MichelleLavoie: @techherding Oh but there was training. The dogs learned to connect the events #lrnchat
9:56:07 am jseevers: Q1 No not really. Def. learning: The act, process, or experience of gaining knowledge or skill. I love the word "experience"… #lrnchat
9:56:08 am janwebb21: @janet_frg Learning implies a deeper understanding than training – being able to adapt and apply to new situations #lrnchat
9:56:09 am michael_hanley: @lrnchat No: Learning is a reflexive activity, training implies transfer from a third party #lrnchat
9:56:12 am StephanieDaul: @mahclair but are still thought of as "trainers" we still have "Training Managers" #lrnchat
9:56:21 am lmccune: Training is effective when as a learning tool when we are aware of the learning style of our audience #lrnchat
9:56:29 am InSyncEU: @JudithELS Absolutely – wouldn't it be wonderful having an in depth discussion with your dog – what went well, what did you learn?? #lrnchat
9:56:30 am bschlenker: Q1) Management knows we all learn – training implies they get to control what is learned #lrnchat
9:56:30 am mrch0mp3rs: I don't mind being trained if it's something I really need to know how to do. #lrnchat
9:56:46 am learninganorak: Learning is something you do. Training is something that is done to you. #lrnchat
9:56:51 am jenisecook: RT @bschlenker: Q1) Management knows we all learn – training implies they get to control what is learned #lrnchat
9:56:54 am MichelleLavoie: @StephanieDaul Knowledge Facilitators may be an up and coming title #lrnchat
9:57:00 am techherding: Q1: I can teach someone if the don't want to learn. I can teach them to hate learning. I can teach them to dislike education. #lrnchat
9:57:09 am PhilMcCreight: RT @AndreaMeyer: nice! RT @mrch0mp3rs: Training is about transfer of an algorithm. Learning is about discovering a heuristic #lrnchat
9:57:15 am jenisecook: RT @mrch0mp3rs: I dont mind being trained if its something I really need to know how to do. #lrnchat
9:57:16 am jseevers: RT @c4lpt Q1 I love learning! I hate being trained! #lrnchat // Amen!
9:57:16 am willswords: Our field loves the term "learning" instead of "training", but people outside our field don't get what we mean. #lrnchat
9:57:18 am c4lpt: @NeillLasher What I am saying is that you don't only learn by being trained #lrnchat
9:57:20 am janet_frg: @busynessgirl training is probably not "fun"; Czerny exercises on piano are not fun, but give skilled hands that can play fun music #lrnchat
9:57:25 am learninganorak: @mrch0mp3rs In which case, you will choose to learn, yes? Training does not always lead to learning, however #lrnchat
9:57:33 am mahclair: RT @bschlenker: Q1) Management knows we all learn – training implies they get to control what is learned #lrnchat
9:57:34 am neillasher: Surely training is for when you can't learn it on your own? #lrnchat
9:57:39 am jenisecook: RT @c4lpt: @NeillLasher What I am saying is that you dont only learn by being trained #lrnchat
9:57:43 am StephanieDaul: @MichelleLavoie I like it I was thinking this morning about Development Managers #lrnchat
9:57:48 am SMTSalesExcel: RT @jenisecook: RT @c4lpt: Q1 To learn you dont need training … Sometimes during Learning we discover we need Training. #lrnchat
9:57:52 am TerrenceWing: Can't learning take place as a result of formal & informal trng? Isn't life's experience a form of informal tng? #lrnchat
9:57:52 am alexpickett: RT @c4lpt: Q1 I love learning! I hate being trained! #lrnchat
9:57:56 am lindiop: RT @learninganorak: Learning is something you do. Training is something that is done to you. But #lrnchat
9:58:10 am Rsuominen: RT @learninganorak Learning is something you do. Training is something that is done to you. #lrnchat
9:58:17 am LearningPutty: Q1) Training is the transfer of knowledge to perform a task…. robotic – no personal thought needed just do task. #lrnchat
9:58:21 am mrch0mp3rs: @learninganorak I'm with you. And that's kinda my point. #lrnchat
9:58:22 am michael_hanley: @lrnchat Lev Vygotsky called learning “an internal reconstruction of an external operation." Elegant, no? #lrnchat
9:58:35 am Ginaschreck: I find it interesting that most companies still have TRAINING depts & universities offer degrees in TRAINING not LEARNING #lrnchat
9:58:38 am StephanieDaul: @TerrenceWing Yes learning can happen in training #lrnchat
9:58:43 am InSyncEU: @jenisecook Yes, and we may have our objectives and they may be achieved within the session but then what? in some cases no diff! #lrnchat
9:58:46 am dmccraine: phil. of how I structure my lessons, to cause learning, ultimately their choice. UR right RT @StephanieDaul: RT @learninganorak #lrnchat
9:58:49 am neillasher: @c4lpt agreed #lrnchat
9:58:53 am jenisecook: Q1 Training is also so Mgmt can please the Board of Directors… esp if they have ROIs documented. #lrnchat
9:59:01 am britz: RT @alexpickett: RT @c4lpt: Q1 I love learning! I hate being trained! // I want to learn …sometimes I need to be trained #lrnchat
9:59:03 am lindiop: RT @mrch0mp3rs: I don't mind being trained if it's something I really need to know how to do – I sometimes want that structure #lrnchat
9:59:09 am Dave_Ferguson: At times insiders argue more about terms than clients do. Effective learning can be called 'training' and seen as valuable. #lrnchat
9:59:11 am bschlenker: I train my dog not to pee in the house -I help people learn more efficiently the things making them most productive #lrnchat
9:59:13 am Rsuominen: RT @c4lpt Q1 I love learning! I hate being trained! #lrnchat
9:59:14 am JudithELS: @neillasher Quite agree Neil, training is when there are specific objectives to be mastered for which external input is required #lrnchat
9:59:18 am techherding: First "LRNCHAT T-Shirt" @learninganorak Learning is something you do. Training is something that is done to you. #lrnchat
9:59:26 am neillasher: it's not so much something done to you, but something you allow to happen to you #lrnchat
9:59:37 am sifowler: Q1) perception: training is exercise of power (modern) & learning is exercise of freedom (postmodern) <-methinks needs nuance #lrnchat
9:59:46 am InSyncEU: RT @LearningPutty: Q1) Training is the transfer of knowledge to perform a task…. robotic – no personal thought needed just do !! #lrnchat
9:59:46 am kelly_smith01: RT @michael_hanley: @lrnchat Lev Vygotsky called learning “an internal reconstruction of an external operation." #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:59:51 am busynessgirl: @bschlenker Now you've got me thinking about whether train/learn is different for dogs than it is for people. #lrnchat
10:00:11 am neillasher: @bschlenker you train your delegates not to pee in the classroom by giving them regular breaks? #lrnchat
10:00:15 am reward75: RT @bschlenker: I train my dog not to pee in the house -I help people learn the things making them most productive #lrnchat love it and yet it doesn’t quite include a sense of knowing #lrnchat
10:00:35 am alisonrbcm: RT @MichelleLavoie: @StephanieDaul Knowledge Facilitators ..> love it and yet it doesn’t quite include a sense of knowing #lrnchat
10:00:55 am Dave_Ferguson: @busynessgirl Much (most?) animal training = psychomotor + conditioning. Not so good for, say, air traffic control… #lrnchat
10:00:58 am TerrenceWing: @StephanieDaul I guess I am saying all life’s moments that stimulate learning are episodes of informal training #lrnchat
10:01:00 am jenisecook: Training/Learning for dogs IS diff from T/L for people. LOL #lrnchat
10:01:01 am lrnchat: Wonder what’s the question? Check the @lrnchat acct for the latest. #lrnchat
10:01:07 am StephanieDaul: @busynessgirl Have you trained and dog and it didn’t stick…did they learn? #lrnchat
10:01:09 am InSyncEU: RT @bschlenker: I train my dog not to pee in the house – pity we cannot help them learn why they should not? #lrnchat
10:01:12 am JudithELS: Q1 is the process of training quite different to the process of learning? #lrnchat
10:01:15 am mrch0mp3rs: I wish we wouldn’t attack training as “bad.” It just is what it is, and it’s different from “learning.” #lrnchat
10:01:19 am jenisecook: RT @Ginaschreck: I use “training wheels” to aid my learning- perhaps we need training materials/content/media as our “wheels” #lrnchat
10:01:21 am techherding: Probably gives them i-Pads… RT @neillasher: @bschlenker you train your delegates not to pee in the classroom ? #lrnchat
10:01:36 am TerrenceWing: Agree RT @jenisecookBut, why is Training devolving into something “bad”? If well designed, Training results in Learning, right? #lrnchat
10:01:38 am willswords: Would you put “helping people learn to do x” on a resume, or “training people to do x”? #lrnchat
10:01:39 am kelly_smith01: The challenge of learning is to place training (what is trained) into the right context #lrnchat
10:01:43 am MichelleLavoie: Q1 Trainers seen as experts instead of exploration leaders #lrnchat
10:01:46 am kelticray: RT @lrnchat: Q1) Do you view the nouns “training” and “learning” as the synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
10:01:57 am Dave_Ferguson: @jenisecook Too often in my exp. “training” in orgs has Little Red Schoolhouse model: fixed in time, delivery of ‘content’ #lrnchat
10:01:59 am janet_frg: RT @sifowler: Q1) perception: training=exercise of power(modern) & learning=exercise of freedom(postmodern) <-methinks needs nuance #lrnchat
10:02:15 am JudithELS: @jenisecook Good, well-focussed/designed/delivered training should result in learning #lrnchat
10:02:24 am LearningPutty: Ex: Training to do, but teaching respect? RT @edtechsteve: In South they say "Thank you, sir". Training my girls to do the same. #lrnchat
10:02:25 am alisonrbcm: Fascinating use of Twitter and # to explore the difference between learning and training = do join us @ #lrnchat
10:02:25 am jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs Yup… that's what I tweeted earlier. Agree w/ u. "Training" ain't "bad". Q1 #lrnchat
10:02:32 am StephanieDaul: RT @MichelleLavoie: Q1 Trainers seen as experts instead of exploration leaders Agree! #lrnchat
10:02:34 am karynromeis: @jenisecook Training emphasises delivery. Learning emphasises internalisation. #lrnchat
10:02:53 am c4lpt: Q0 The challenge for training is that people do actually learn #lrnchat
10:02:56 am Dave_Ferguson: Org training often fails to consider: transfer, support, need for extended practce, OTJ app, feedback, specificity. #lrnchat
10:02:59 am DavidWLocke: @AndreaMeyer @mrch0mp3rs Training–Gaussian machine learning. Learning–Markovian machine learning. #lrnchat
10:03:05 am techherding: RT Ask fifty people if they want "harassment training"…RT @jenisecook why is Training devolving into something "bad"? #lrnchat
10:03:07 am sifowler: yes, methinks b/c philosophical bias + bad experience RT @jenisecook: Q1 But, why is Training devolving into something "bad"? #lrnchat
10:03:08 am jenisecook: RT @JudithELS: @jenisecook Good, well-focussed/designed/delivered training should result in learning #lrnchat
10:03:09 am lindiop: .@Dave_Ferguson air traffic controllers might need training to embed some automatic relflexive responses – not just animals #lrnchat
10:03:11 am PhilMcCreight: Q1) Learning is connecting with the knowledge gained, training involves acting on the skills and abilities learned. #lrnchat
10:03:14 am bschlenker: Measuring that training event took place is easy – Measuring that learning occurred is MUCH harder #lrnchat
10:03:16 am ssusarla: Can Training be defined as active learning? #lrnchat
10:03:26 am MichelleLavoie: @c4lpt They do learn in spite of our training #lrnchat
10:03:28 am Melwyk: RT @c4lpt: Q1 Passive v Active Training is what is done to you (passive) so you might not learn! Learning is what you do yourself (active) #lrnchat
10:03:56 am LearningPutty: Training can be a pathway to learning, but needs to include explanation & understanding. #lrnchat
10:04:19 am busynessgirl: Training is prescribed learning, right? Like when doctor that you need to eat healthy, better if motivation is internal. #lrnchat
10:04:20 am Dave_Ferguson: @lindiop Yes, air controllers get e.g. pattern-recognition trng–but need to learn larger skills in contet. #lrnchat
10:04:27 am jenisecook: @bschlenker Ah, we need a session on #Assessments.🙂 #lrnchat
10:04:30 am kelly_smith01: RT @bschlenker: Measuring that training event took place is easy – Measuring that learning occurred is MUCH harder #lrnchat
10:04:30 am kelticray: @bschlenker Measuring that training event took place is easy – Measuring that learning occurred is MUCH harder #lrnchat Completely agree
10:04:35 am techherding: RT @bschlenker: Measuring that training event took place is easy – Measuring that learning occurred is MUCH harder #lrnchat
10:04:47 am InSyncEU: @c4lpt Agreed – "Training that brings about no change is as effective as a parachute that opens on the first bounce." #lrnchat
10:04:49 am willswords: Training is what the system or instructor is trying to do. Learning is what the system or instructor hopes will happen. #lrnchat
10:04:49 am MichelleLavoie: Q1 Facilitate, explore, discover, enable…..my fav words #lrnchat
10:04:57 am mrch0mp3rs: @LearningPutty To your point, not just "this is what I do." To get to learning, the recipient needs to get "this is why I do it." #lrnchat
10:05:15 am TerrenceWing: Training is process (conscious or subconscious) designed 2 encourage learning. Bad process=no learning #lrnchat
10:05:15 am neillasher: @techherding very funny #lrnchat
10:05:16 am lrnchat: Q2) Do you view the verbs “train” and “learn” as synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
10:05:20 am c4lpt: RT @MichelleLavoie @c4lpt They do learn in spite of our training << in spite of not because of LOL #lrnchat
10:05:21 am gminks: why are we doing #lrnchat at noon? I'm so confused!! (nothing new, I know..)
10:05:25 am jenisecook: @techherding But, I've seen engaging, effective anti-harassment training. The issue is it's mandated by the Gov't. #lrnchat
10:05:28 am learninganorak: @kelticray Exactly, which is why most beancounters prefer training. #lrnchat
10:05:44 am TerrenceWing: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Do you view the verbs “train” and “learn” as synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
10:05:55 am Dave_Ferguson: van Merrienboer & Kirschner (rather academically): complex skills more than sum of parts; also choice, interplay of those skills #lrnchat
10:06:00 am sifowler: Yes (neuroscience wld confirm methinks), and as an act of generosity RT @ssusarla: Can Training be defined as active learning? #lrnchat
10:06:03 am LandDev: RT @c4lpt Q1 Training is not a pre-requisite of learning! #lrnchat
10:06:08 am kelticray: @ssusarla: Can Training be defined as active learning? #lrnchat Good question. Active implies being present–paying attention.
10:06:09 am mrch0mp3rs: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Do you view the verbs “train” and “learn” as synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
10:06:12 am Ginaschreck: @lindiop @Dave_Ferguson NAH- Just let air traffic controllers LEARN from their kids! They seem to get it-HA #lrnchat
10:06:18 am mira_bell: Q2 Training and learing are not synonyms to me. trng sounds like event while learning would be outcome #lrnchat
10:06:22 am MichelleLavoie: @gminks For our colleagues across the pond, I think #lrnchat
10:06:23 am gminks: @Ginaschreck #lrnchat I work in an education dept! and I'm getting a degree from the college of eduation.🙂
10:06:31 am mddube: Q2: The perception with many is that it is the same. As a trainer, I find that is indeed different and valued differently #lrnchat
10:06:36 am learninganorak: @InSyncEU @c4lpt The same can be said of learning, though. No change = no point. #lrnchat
10:06:37 am jenisecook: @LearningPutty Explanation, understanding and transfer of skills. Ability to apply what the training gave them as Learning output. #lrnchat
10:06:37 am dmccraine: RT @InSyncEU: @c4lpt Agreed-"Training that brings about no change is as effective as a parachute that opens on the first bounce." #lrnchat
10:06:38 am umbgida: RT @LearningPutty: Training can be a pathway to learning, but needs to include explanation & understanding. #lrnchat
10:06:43 am Dave_Ferguson: @gminks It's like CSI or NCIS — another setting (more time-friendly for many people). Thurs pm still on #lrnchat
10:07:04 am alisonrbcm: Training is done 2 the audience. They take away the learning – which may or may not relate to the training outcome #lrnchat
10:07:05 am kelly_smith01: @gminks It's the Europe version (and other side of the ocean) #lrnchat
10:07:05 am Ginaschreck: RT @bschlenker: Measuring that a training event took place is easy – Measuring that learning occurred is MUCH harder #lrnchat
10:07:09 am Aaron_Eyler: Is Student Ownership Overrated? http://bit.ly/dzG56a #edchat #edreform #lrnchat #gchat
10:07:11 am NancyWhite: #lrnchat I'm trying to understand the importance of the terminology question. Scratching head.
10:07:13 am jenisecook: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Do you view the verbs “train” and “learn” as synonymous. Why/why not? #lrnchat
10:07:16 am umbgida: @gminks seems to be the Euro #lrnchat crowd. I think it was mentioned a week or so ago that there will be 2 sessions per week.
10:07:38 am jenisecook: @Dave_Ferguson I enjoy both shows CSI NCIS.🙂 #lrnchat
10:07:40 am sifowler: Q1) Training implies relationship, learning can be done alone #lrnchat
10:07:48 am willswords: Q2 is kind of a dumb question I'm afraid. #lrnchat
10:07:49 am busynessgirl: Just had a great grok: Participating in fast-paced #lrnchat is great preparation for interviews and Q&A at the end of talks. #lrnchat
10:07:53 am techherding: Current background music — Dixie Chicks "Sin Wagon" — amazingly appropriate… #lrnchat
10:07:54 am Dave_Ferguson: @Ginaschreck Just you watch: "Don't Let Your Kid Control Aircraft" training. Mandatory. #lrnchat
10:08:00 am TerrenceWing: @jenisecook I agree w u. I think training always exists in the learning process. We are limiting tng via semantics #lrnchat
10:08:03 am lindiop: RT @c4lpt: RT @MichelleLavoie @c4lpt They do learn in spite of our training < Sorta #lrnchat
10:11:12 am gminks: can’t you learn from training? I think of training as a way to teach a process or some activity #lrnchat
10:11:19 am alisonrbcm: RT @bschlenker: Measuring that training event took place is easy – Measuring that learning occurred is MUCH harder #lrnchat
10:11:24 am janwebb21: @sifowler deeper engagement of brain; deeper engagement happens when ideas bounced off another person = more effective learning #lrnchat
10:11:30 am karynromeis: Q2 Answer same as Q1. Learning is something you do. Training is something that is done to you. #lrnchat
10:11:52 am tidmarshm: Doesn’t learning also require discipline, @lmccune ? #lrnchat
10:11:58 am Ginaschreck: Q2) Are the verbs “train” & “learn” same? Why/Why not? /I think we got our grammar clouded back at Q1- I need Grammar “training” #lrnchat
10:12:12 am Dave_Ferguson: Great article (Newby/Ertmer, 1999), lrning theory & instr design–underscores nuance for training/learning. http://bit.ly/akb1AH #lrnchat
10:12:16 am jseevers: Q2 Learn = what you are able to do on your own…Train = guidance you get through the learning process… #lrnchat
10:12:16 am AlwaysBreaking: @lrnchat Nope. Training is more about performing tasks. I can learn about Literature, doesn’t mean I can write. #lrnchat
10:12:19 am jenisecook: RT @gminks: cant you learn from training? I think of training as a way to teach a process or some activity #lrnchat
10:12:19 am mrch0mp3rs: Q2b – Amiguity is hard. Per @quinnovator, there’s the whole coaching vs. mentoring deal #lrnchat
10:12:26 am techherding: Q2: I was subjected to “Private Pilot Training” but most of the learning came all alone in the aircraft, scared out of my mind. #lrnchat
10:12:27 am MichelleLavoie: Q1 the word training no longer represents the skill of a facilitator, exploration leader #lrnchat
10:12:32 am retweetinginfo: #lrnchat | Jane’s E-Learning Pick of the Day: New early version of #lrnchat http://tinyurl.com/yhxuygs
10:12:35 am janwebb21: @gminks I think it’s entirely appropriate for some things but a deeper learning implies more thought involved #lrnchat
10:12:36 am learninganorak: Q2 Answer same as Q1. Learning is something you do. Training is something that is done to you. #lrnchat
10:12:44 am steveduval5: New blog post: #lrnchat | Jane’s E-Learning Pick of the Day: New early version of #lrnchat http://steve-duval.com/?p=994
10:12:45 am steveduval5: #lrnchat | Jane’s E-Learning Pick of the Day: New early version of #lrnchat http://tinyurl.com/ygnogdx
10:12:52 am InSyncEU: Q2 Train – we teach the knowledge and skills, Learn – we acquire a deeper understanding of how to apply knowledge and skills #lrnchat
10:12:54 am sifowler: But I can learn how to play the piano RT @LearningPutty: It boils down to you train behavior, but you learn knowledge. #lrnchat
10:12:57 am steveduval5: #lrnchat | Jane’s E-Learning Pick of the Day: New early version of #lrnchat http://tinyurl.com/yjosuh6
10:13:06 am Dave_Ferguson: @tidmarshm Sometimes you learn well easily (receptors hoppin’ w/ glee). Of course, sometimes you learn nonsense easily… #lrnchat
10:13:08 am steveduval5: #lrnchat | Jane’s E-Learning Pick of the Day: New early version of #lrnchat http://tinyurl.com/yhuy3bu
10:13:17 am BertBates: Training on the new PBX fails, having to learn the new PBX because your boss’s wife is on hold succeeds. #lrnchat
10:13:19 am steveduval5: #lrnchat | Jane’s E-Learning Pick of the Day: New early version of #lrnchat http://tinyurl.com/ygtsuc9
10:13:28 am PhilMcCreight: Qb) I believe ambiguity comes about when it involves informal learning without specific measurable objectives. #lrnchat
10:13:29 am Ginaschreck: @jenisecook Do we experience great “training” or do we experience great content? Is this all semantics? #lrnchat
10:13:31 am JudithELS: @Ginaschreck in fact the difference in the verbs sums up the difference in the nouns. #lrnchat
10:13:47 am gminks: @janwebb21 so maybe that is the kickstart place? train for basic knowledge, teach for deeper? #lrnchat
10:13:47 am janwebb21: @karynromeis but isn’t that a misuse of the verb learn? to learn means need to be able to apply, know assoc division facts #lrnchat
10:13:51 am MichelleLavoie: Q1 Do you need a trainer to learn to play the piano? #lrnchat
10:13:54 am ctbxdrkarl16: #lrnchat??
10:13:54 am michael_hanley: Q2 yep ROI = learning OR training #lrnchat
10:13:54 am StephanieDaul: RT @InSyncEU: we teach the knowledge and skills, Learn – we acquire a deeper understanding of how to apply knowledge and skills #lrnchat
10:14:00 am jenisecook: RT @bschlenker: Measuring that training event took place is easy – Measuring that learning occurred is MUCH harder #lrnchat
10:14:10 am janwebb21: @karynromeis I think that is training #lrnchat
10:14:22 am TerrenceWing: If a body in motion remains in motion, what stimulates learning if not informal and formal Training? #lrnchat
10:14:24 am dmccraine: Yes, and you train your hands RT @sifowler: But I can learn how to play the piano RT @LearningPutty #lrnchat
10:14:26 am gminks: @sifowler I bet you could train someone to play piano, but you’d have to teach them to read music #lrnchat
10:14:26 am JoelFoner: Training: a “Kleenex word” that identifies a budget line item. High perceived value drives more of it, or the contrary. #lrnchat
10:14:45 am mrch0mp3rs: Here’s the thing — I slip between learning and training all the time in conversation, but not writing. #lrnchat
10:14:45 am jenisecook: @Ginaschreck Q2b I may be wrong, but perhaps it is just semantics as you suggest. #lrnchat
10:14:47 am BertBates: In other words (e.g. PBX), try to make your training feel like “Just in Time”, not “Just in Case”. #lrnchat
10:14:56 am sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q2b) Are there other examples of ambiguity that are problems for learning and/or training? #lrnchat
10:15:05 am Dave_Ferguson: Tom Gilbert: behavior you take with you; accomplishment you leave behind. (One way orgs shld see trng/lrning Qs) #lrnchat
10:15:11 am eventRobot: @MichelleLavoie Wife says since the last “incident” resulted in probation, I need to steer clear of that. #lrnchat
10:15:11 am jenisecook: RT @InSyncEU: we teach the knowledge and skills, Learn – we acquire a deeper understanding of how to apply knowledge and skills #lrnchat
10:15:16 am StephanieDaul: @MichelleLavoie Sometimes you need a teacher to get you started learning #lrnchat
10:15:16 am tonya_simmons: I can be trained to use our course blding sftwr, but I doubt one could be trained to do instructional design – that’s learning #lrnchat
10:15:18 am dmccraine: No, a teacher RT @MichelleLavoie: Q1 Do you need a trainer to learn to play the piano? #lrnchat
10:15:22 am c4lpt: Q2 In an organisational context we should be concerned more about measuring the performance than the learning #lrnchat
10:15:23 am LearningPutty: @sifowler Re: learning piano… are u trained to bang keys in a certain order & play a song vs. learn how to play & write your own? #lrnchat
10:15:24 am janwebb21: @gminks learning is where you take the training and apply higher order thinking skills, isn’t it? #lrnchat
10:15:31 am tidmarshm: Or teach to play by ear, @gminks @sifowler. #lrnchat
10:15:35 am jenisecook: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Heres the thing — I slip between learning and training all the time in conversation, but not writing. #lrnchat
10:15:38 am willswords: I think what we are really debating here is the value of direct instruction vs other forms. #lrnchat
10:15:45 am jenisecook: RT @c4lpt: Q2 In an organisational context we should be concerned more about measuring the performance than the learning #lrnchat
10:15:49 am TerrenceWing: RT @Ginaschreck: @jenisecook Do we experience great “training” or do we experience great content? Is this all semantics? #lrnchat
10:15:56 am Ginaschreck: I think it boils down to providing great learning content-Guide people thru process of discovery so they…ah heck-lets TRAIN THEM #lrnchat
10:16:04 am jenisecook: RT @willswords: I think what we are really debating here is the value of direct instruction vs other forms. #lrnchat
10:16:10 am StephanieDaul: @tonya_simmons Is it learning or the development of an ability? #lrnchat
10:16:16 am jenisecook: @willswords What you just said makes sense to me. #lrnchat
10:16:17 am AlwaysBreaking: My customers will pay for training, but not learning. But they do expect to learn from training. #lrnchat
10:16:18 am neillasher: Isn’t it responsibility? learning is the delegates responsibility not the trainers? #lrnchat
10:16:23 am LearningPutty: RT @lirons: Q2) Training is something done to people, learning is something they accomplish #lrnchat
10:16:28 am alisonrbcm: RT @busynessgirl: Participating in #lrnchat is gr8 prep 4 interviews ..> I’m finding it more stressful to keep up with all threads #lrnchat
10:16:33 am MichelleLavoie: @TerrenceWing Or do we just have a wonderful, collaborative, exploratory experience? #lrnchat
10:16:43 am karynromeis: @dajbelshaw What if there is no ‘trainer’ involved? #lrnchat
10:16:47 am JoelFoner: Some “training” has low perceived value, real issue seems to be what to do about it (the deliverable and the perception.) #lrnchat
10:16:50 am sifowler: Q2b) people define locus of expertise too narrowly, e.g. on trainer & materials … but shld include themselves #lrnchat
10:17:06 am Rsuominen: Do you view the verbs train and learn as synonymous? RT @willswords Its like asking if the verbs “cook” and “eat” are synonymous #lrnchat
10:17:10 am jenisecook: Q2b It sounds like we all have slightly different definitions.🙂 Good discussion… agreement? Probably not today. #lrnchat
10:17:10 am tidmarshm: Good point, @LearningPutty : train to play a song; learn to play an instrument. #lrnchat
10:17:12 am techherding: Q2 I know lots of people who “do a great job training, but the students didn’t do a very good job of learning.” #lrnchat
10:17:12 am rebecka7: hmm looks like #lrnchat is at a new time. Now?
10:17:12 am MichelleLavoie: If no trainer, would we learn? #lrnchat
10:17:16 am Ginaschreck: @JoelFoner You’re right- executives will pay for TRAINING- hard to ask for && for “great learning content!” :)) #lrnchat
10:17:21 am dmccraine: all R subs of education, no?RT @WillsWords: I think what we are really debating here is the value of direct instruction vs others. #lrnchat
10:17:32 am dajbelshaw: @karynromeis You mean if it’s web-based stuff? Well, it didn’t evolve so someone programmed it… #lrnchat
10:17:37 am JudithELS: @neillasher but helping people to learn is the responsibility of the instructional designer #lrnchat
10:17:45 am InSyncEU: @MichelleLavoie We get taught the keys, hand positions etc – process of playing the piano is – but learn how to play thru practice #lrnchat
10:17:47 am learninganorak: @Neillasher This is true, too #lrnchat
10:17:51 am jenisecook: Then, I am my own trainer. RT @karynromeis: @dajbelshaw What if there is no trainer involved? #lrnchat
10:17:58 am TerrenceWing: Well said RT @Ginaschreck it boils down 2 providing grt lrng content-Guide them thru process of discovery…ah heck-lets TRAIN THEM #lrnchat
10:17:58 am janwebb21: @dajbelshaw I agree completely – but understanding of the related division facts involves application = learning #lrnchat
10:18:01 am Dave_Ferguson: One org misconception is that training (skill/knowl transfer) is the solution to all or even most performance problems. #lrnchat
10:18:03 am jenisecook: RT @JudithELS: @neillasher but helping people to learn is the responsibility of the instructional designer #lrnchat
10:18:03 am LearningPutty: RT @techherding: Q2: I had “Private Pilot Training” but most of the learning came all alone in aircraft scared out of my mind. #lrnchat
10:18:20 am jenisecook: RT @Ginaschreck: @JoelFoner Youre right- executives will pay for TRAINING- hard to ask for $$ for “great learning content!” :)) #lrnchat
10:18:21 am mrch0mp3rs: @rebecka7 #lrnchat runs 2x a day on Thursdays starting last week. 11:30EST and 8:30EST
10:18:37 am michael_hanley: @c4lpt Agreed – it can be difficult to sell this concept sometimes tho’! #lrnchat
10:18:42 am kvnmcl: #lrnchat Q2 Learning:doing on your own. Training:with someone by watching/listening then repeating, finally learning. Teaching:both
10:18:42 am gingerwords: To alleviate some confusion it’s #Lrnchat no irnchat, with an I. Done otherwise you get Iranian Chat from Google and that ain’t no good.
10:18:55 am karynromeis: @jenisecook So I trained myself without learning anything? #lrnchat
10:18:59 am InSyncEU: @rebecka7 New lrnchat EU version …. different time zone, some different folks!! #lrnchat
10:19:01 am janwebb21: @karynromeis but have I gained understanding through that training? recitation is a skill but not necessarily a symptom of learning #lrnchat
10:19:07 am larshyland: #lrnchat Most training today is delivered TO the WRONG people BY the WRONG people at the WRONG TIME. Result? No learning.
10:19:10 am tonya_simmons: @StephanieDaul well I think one needs to learn the concepts to develop the ability/practice #lrnchat
10:19:19 am Dave_Ferguson: Many formal training orgs (by whatever name) encourage that dosage-of-skills mindset. Many execs believe it; C-level tooth fairy. #lrnchat
10:19:22 am mrch0mp3rs: I think there’s a challenge when people use the same word, but attach all their own meanings to them. The words matter. #lrnchat
10:19:38 am karynromeis: @dajbelshaw No. If I found it on a poster (times tables), or read it in a book (poetry) #lrnchat
10:19:41 am janwebb21: @LearningPutty isn’t that the application of the training that led to the understanding i.e. learning? #lrnchat
10:19:54 am michael_hanley: @karynromeis LOL🙂 #lrnchat
10:19:54 am jenisecook: @karynromeis I learn when I train myself. #lrnchat
10:19:54 am MichelleLavoie: RT @mrch0mp3rs: theres a challenge when people use the same word, but attach all their own meanings to them. The words matter. #lrnchat
10:20:10 am mrch0mp3rs: This goes back to the sales training / e-learning ambiguity, right? #lrnchat
10:20:18 am kelly_smith01: RT @Dave_Ferguson: One org misconception is that training (skill/knowl transfer) is solution 2 all/most most performance problems. #lrnchat
10:20:23 am dajbelshaw: @janwebb21 Yes, but understanding and rote memorization are two different things. My 3 year-old son can pattern-spot. !=learning #lrnchat
10:20:33 am jenisecook: RT @jenisecook: Q2b It sounds like we all have slightly different definitions.🙂 Good discussion… agreement? Probably not today. #lrnchat
10:20:39 am karynromeis: @janwebb21 And yet almost all assessments of learning major on recall, especially in school. Go figure. #lrnchat
10:20:46 am janwebb21: @kvnmcl I don’t think learning is done on your own – it may involve internalisation of knowledge, but that happens best …#lrnchat
10:20:49 am ssusarla: @mrch0mp3rs To you point that words matter. Is it really “eLearning” ? shouldn’t it be called “eTraining”? #lrnchat
10:20:49 am sifowler: RT @mrch0mp3rs: theres a challenge when people use the same word, but attach all their own meanings to them. The words matter. #lrnchat
10:21:06 am busynessgirl: Maybe we should rename training and learning, call it “playing”. Read: A Theory of Fun (fun = brain mastering something new) #lrnchat
10:21:06 am janwebb21: @kvnmcl for many through communication of some sort #lrnchat
10:21:08 am c4lpt: Q2 Learning is the means to an end not the end itself; it should all be about performance #lrnchat
10:21:16 am techherding: I often lose a client engagement when I point out that great training can in no way fix their OD problems. #lrnchat
10:21:21 am MichelleLavoie: @karynromeis That may be the problem with education (rote memorization) #lrnchat
10:21:27 am janwebb21: @dajbelshaw exactly I agree completely with you #lrnchat
10:21:35 am michael_hanley: @MichelleLavoie eventually, and the hard way! #lrnchat
10:21:36 am jenisecook: RT @c4lpt: Q2 Learning is the means to an end not the end itself; it should all be about performance #lrnchat
10:21:44 am MichelleLavoie: RT @busynessgirl: Maybe we should rename training and learning, call it “playing”. Read: A Theory of Fun #lrnchat
10:21:44 am learninganorak: RT @michael_hanley: @lrnchat No: Learning is a reflexive activity, training implies transfer from a third party #lrnchat
10:21:45 am jenisecook: RT @techherding: I often lose a client engagement when I point out that great training can in no way fix their OD problems. #lrnchat
10:21:45 am Rsuominen: RT @larshyland: #lrnchat Most training today is delivered TO the WRONG people BY the WRONG people at the WRONG TIME. Result? No learning.
10:21:50 am LearningPutty: @janwebb21 Good point. I’m looking at it more from a “training” vs. “teaching” perspective. Good catch. #lrnchat
10:21:50 am tbirdcymru: Hey, what’s #lrnchat? Lots of good tweets coming up with that hashtag — course I could go to ‘what the hashtag’ but hoping for a contact:-)
10:21:56 am greenfieldblogs: #lrnchat | Jane’s E-Learning Pick of the Day: New early version of #lrnchat http://tinyurl.com/yg3bu8o
10:22:06 am Dave_Ferguson: @ssusarla Actually, we should learn to whomp e- attachers with a big ol’ chunk of foam till they shape up. #lrnchat
10:22:20 am janwebb21: @karynromeis isn’t that where the assessment of teaching (recall, understanding, application) falls short? #lrnchat
10:22:33 am karynromeis: @MichelleLavoie May be? There’s no ‘may’# involved. Recall is great, but it’s not everything! #lrnchat
10:22:36 am mrch0mp3rs: RT @ssusarla: @mrch0mp3rs To you point that words matter. Is it really “eLearning” ? shouldn’t it be called “eTraining”? #lrnchat
10:22:36 am lmccune: RT @karynromeis: @janwebb21 And yet almost all assessments of learning major on recall, especially in school. Go figure. #lrnchat
10:22:40 am Rsuominen: RT @MichelleLavoie: RT @mrch0mp3rs: theres a challenge when people use the same word, but attach all their own meanings to them. The words matter. #lrnchat
10:22:43 am Dave_Ferguson: @tbirdcymru Informal regular twitter chat on learning. See lrnchat.wordpress.org for more (sched, transcripts etc.) #lrnchat
10:22:53 am StephanieDaul: @tbirdcymru lrnchat is a group that gets together an talks about a learning/training/development topic #lrnchat
10:23:05 am mrch0mp3rs: @ssusarla Suresh, that’s a GREAT point, re: “eTraining” vs. “eLearning” #lrnchat
10:23:13 am karynromeis: @janwebb21 “Assessment of teaching”? We should be assessing *learning*! #lrnchat
10:23:21 am dmccraine: Q2b) training & development used interchangeably at my org. Great confusion when consulting w/ client units #lrnchat
10:23:23 am jenisecook: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Informal regular twitter chat on learning. See lrnchat.wordpress.org for more (sched, transcripts etc.) #lrnchat
10:23:27 am alisonrbcm: @neillasher I train them to do something but facilitate the learning that arises? #lrnchat
10:23:28 am sifowler: If learning/training are nouns then how about we just add ‘program’ or ‘course’ to it – then it’s clear that it’s ‘training’! #lrnchat
10:23:31 am LearningPutty: Therefore, training does not always lead to learning (doing perhaps, but not learning) but teaching always does. #lrnchat
10:23:31 am InSyncEU: @MichelleLavoie Not a bad thought – as children play – they learn – bumps bruises, laugh cry , but then they develop!! #lrnchat
10:23:35 am MichelleLavoie: @mrch0mp3rs It’s about point of view, the user learns #lrnchat
10:23:36 am Dave_Ferguson: @lmccune Not just in school. Sometimes you get the idea most people’s jobs consist of answering multiple-guess questions. #lrnchat
10:23:38 am StephanieDaul: @tbirdcymru Anyone can join in, please join us! #lrnchat
10:23:42 am TerrenceWing: Hence informal training RT @MichelleLavoie: @TerrenceWing Or do we just have a wonderful, collaborative, exploratory experience? #lrnchat
10:23:47 am c4lpt: @tbirdcymru go to https://lrnchat.wordpress.com/ for #lrnchat
10:23:50 am PhilMcCreight: …then you have “action learning” or “learning by doing” you don’t see it as “action training” or “training by doing” #lrnchat
10:24:23 am lindiop: @tbirdcymru series of questions considered by following the hastag – fun but hard to follow New euro time zone friendly version now #lrnchat
10:24:30 am techherding: So was what we all just did to “@tbirdcymru” TRAINING or LEARNING? #lrnchat
10:24:30 am janwebb21: @karynromeis e.g. the Danish system allowing computers into exams and gearing assessment to interpretation and application #lrnchat
10:24:30 am mrch0mp3rs: @MichelleLavoie But “everyone” learns. #lrnchat
10:24:39 am StephanieDaul: RT @lrnchat: Q2b) Are there other examples of ambiguity that are problems for learning and/or training? #lrnchat
10:24:41 am larshyland: #lrnchat Many people’s experience of e-learning is of IRRELEVENT content, WEAKLY designed, that’s hard to FOCUS on. Result? No learning.
10:24:50 am janwebb21: @karynromeis yes, but many assessments assess teaching rather than learning #lrnchat
10:24:53 am lmccune: @Dave_Ferguson agreed! #lrnchat
10:25:02 am lrnchat: Q3) Is it good for the “training industry” to be called the “learning industry”? Can there be such a thing? #lrnchat
10:25:05 am michael_hanley: is there a non-binary way to address this? I actually think that training / learning are just two (movable) points on a continuum #lrnchat
10:25:20 am tonya_simmons: @mrch0mp3rs yes, but some learn the easy way and some learn the hard way #lrnchat
10:25:23 am Ginaschreck: RT @techherding: I often lose client engagmnt when I point out that gr8 trainng canNOT fix their OD problems/ THEY WANT EASY BUTTON #lrnchat
10:25:26 am InSyncEU: @tbirdcymru the coming together of minds in the Learning community in UK/EU and afar – come join us…#lrnchat
10:25:26 am janwebb21: @LearningPutty that is a good way of putting it #lrnchat
10:25:29 am jenisecook: RT @c4lpt: @tbirdcymru go to https://lrnchat.wordpress.com/ for #lrnchat
10:25:35 am Dave_Ferguson: @michaelasmith My perf-improv point was more that ‘training’ is a horrible way to address systemic probs in an org… #lrnchat
10:26:03 am mrch0mp3rs: @michael_hanley I think they are movable points, but even the range of motion can be defined, right? #lrnchat
10:26:03 am kelly_smith01: RT @c4lpt: Q2 Learning is the means to an end not the end itself; it should all be about performance #lrnchat
10:26:05 am MichelleLavoie: Q3 Again, it’s point of view. Are we inwardly focused (training) or outwardly focused (learning)? #lrnchat
10:26:09 am karynromeis: @janwebb21 And therein lies another problem. Assessing recall of teaching instead of evidence of learning! #lrnchat
10:26:13 am dbolen: RT @michael_hanley: is there a non-binary way to address this? training / learning are just two (movable) points on a continuum #lrnchat
10:26:14 am StephanieDaul: I don’t like Training or Learning industry neither describes what we do #lrnchat
10:26:16 am jenisecook: RT @michael_hanley: is there non-binary way to address this? I think training/learning are just two (movable) points on a continuum #lrnchat
10:26:30 am LearningPutty: Sounds horrible, but some corp teams don’t want learning… they want simple behavior change with no questions. #lrnchat
10:26:33 am techherding: Yes, and homeowners assess “housepainting” rather than “brush skill”.RT @karynromeis many assess teaching rather than learning #lrnchat
10:26:35 am janwebb21: @karynromeis completely agree with you there – but that’s where the assessment systems let us down! #lrnchat
10:26:39 am neillasher: Semantics, no? Websters or Oxford English… note ENGLISH! #lrnchat
10:26:42 am mrch0mp3rs: RT @lrnchat: Q3) Is it good for the “training industry” to be called the “learning industry”? Can there be such a thing? #lrnchat
10:26:46 am sifowler: Does the language become easier if we think of training & learning as roles we play that shift (and even overlap) with context? #lrnchat
10:26:55 am BrightTweet: RT @larshyland: #lrnchat Most training today is delivered TO the WRONG people BY the WRONG people at the WRONG TIME. Result? No learning.
10:27:03 am karynromeis: RT @Dave_Ferguson: My perf-improv point was more that ‘training’ is a horrible way to address systemic probs in an org… #lrnchat <= true!
10:27:10 am LearningPutty: RT @jenisecook: Explanation, understanding & transfer of skills. Ability to apply what the training gave them as Learning output. #lrnchat
10:27:10 am alisonrbcm: RT @busynessgirl: Maybe we should rename training/learning, call it "playing". Read: A Theory of Fun (brain mastering sumthing new) #lrnchat
10:27:12 am neillasher: RT @alisonrbcm: @neillasher I train them to do something but facilitate the learning that arises? #lrnchat
10:27:13 am jenisecook: Q3) I'll just observe answers to this question. #lrnchat
10:27:17 am janwebb21: @karynromeis absolutely! #lrnchat
10:27:18 am tonya_simmons: @InSyncEU more than just bumps & bruises – children learn how to navigate life thru play/imitation- that's what "house" is all abt #lrnchat
10:27:41 am janwebb21: RT @LearningPutty: Sounds horrible, but some corp teams don't want learning… they want simple behavior change with no questions. #lrnchat
10:27:42 am TerrenceWing: Q3 Semantics, semantics, semantics. A definition is merely an obstacle to evolution. U say tomato I say… #lrnchat
10:27:43 am techherding: Q3 — Using "learning" opens up a dialogue with clients/victims. That's good. #lrnchat
10:27:47 am michael_hanley: @mrch0mp3rs yes – on all 3 axes #lrnchat
10:27:50 am sifowler: RT @lrnchat: Q3) Is it good for the “training industry” to be called the “learning industry”? Can there be such a thing? #lrnchat
10:28:07 am karynromeis: @techherding That's the homeowners' problem. Learning and education are ours! #lrnchat
10:28:17 am janwebb21: RT @sifowler: Does the language become easier if we think of training & learning as roles we play that shift (and even overlap) with context? #lrnchat
10:28:22 am jenisecook: RT @TerrenceWing: Q3 Semantics, semantics, semantics. A definition is merely an obstacle to evolution. U say tomato I say… #lrnchat
10:28:24 am larshyland: #lrnchat Imagine a learning experience that was relevant, timely, engaging and included practice that you could apply in a real context.
10:28:36 am karynromeis: RT @techherding: Q3 — Using "learning" opens up a dialogue with clients/victims. That's good. <=Victims. LOL! #lrnchat
10:28:44 am Dave_Ferguson: -@michaelasmith E.g., training front desk clerks in coping won't solve cust svc issues created by your stupid hotel res system. #lrnchat
10:28:44 am InSyncEU: @tonya_simmons Agreed have 9 month old son doing exactly that now!! And it is amazing to watch him "learn" :-} #lrnchat
10:28:57 am neillasher: Q3 Training or Learning Industry? As long as they pay the invoice call it what you want! #lrnchat
10:28:59 am janwebb21: RT @LearningPutty: RT @jenisecook: Explanation, understanding & transfer of skills. Ability to apply what the training gave them as Learning output. #lrnchat
10:29:05 am learninganorak: Got to go and do Mommy things. Stop being so interesting, now! #lrnchat
10:29:05 am karynromeis: Got to go and do Mommy things. Stop being so interesting, now! #lrnchat
10:29:22 am mrch0mp3rs: @TerrenceWing I agree that definition provides a channel, but you need to go through the channel to share meaning, don't we? #lrnchat
10:29:24 am MichelleLavoie: Have to go, thanks for the warm welcome and RTs! #lrnchat
10:29:38 am sifowler: Q3) good Q. it nails the Q. : 'training industry' is – ideally – the aggregation, systemization (?) & sharing of learned expertise #lrnchat
10:29:44 am techherding: Q3 – I made big $$$ "training" customers to deal with imperfect software. Much cheaper than fixing the code, they told me. #lrnchat
10:29:45 am PhilMcCreight: Q3) I think at that level the meanings are washed, become norm to call training, would take fundamental shift, name change of ASTD) #lrnchat
10:29:53 am janwebb21: @jenisecook I've lost track – I thought we were still on Q2! #lrnchat what's Q3?
10:30:09 am Ginaschreck: @techherding Poor @tbirdcymru -like a deer asking a field of hunters "What's all the orange vests about?" #lrnchat
10:30:10 am techherding: Aw, let the kid do informal learning! RT @karynromeis: Got to go and do Mommy things. Stop being so interesting, now! #lrnchat
10:30:15 am JudithELS: Q3 Depends where you want to place the emphasis – providing training courses or helping people to learn #lrnchat
10:30:18 am c4lpt: Q3 I am a learning prof as I help people learn in all ways; I am not a trainer Training industry is for those who just train pple #lrnchat
10:30:23 am tonya_simmons: @InSyncEU ours is 2 – this mrning he played doc after watching a cartoon char. who was sick I was amazed to see the connection #lrnchat
10:30:27 am janwebb21: @karynromeis LOL! been good to lrn-chat! #lrnchat
10:30:28 am TerrenceWing: @mrch0mp3rs Great things happen when we don't use the channel. The channel can be limiting and blinding #lrnchat
10:30:41 am mbenumea: #lrnchat Q3: But isn't learning responsibility of the learner? The learning industry would be the students… wouldn't it?
10:30:42 am mddube: Q3: We are trainers; we can only play a part in learning. There is work before and after by 'learner' & 'supervisors' to learn. #lrnchat
10:30:53 am paparazzitweets: PaparazziTweets Blog #lrnchat | Jane's E-Learning Pick of the Day: New early version of #lrnchat
10:31:04 am michael_hanley: Sorry folks, gotta get off at this stop – c ya next time! #lrnchat
10:31:09 am karynromeis: @techherding I have to fetch him from the station! BFN #lrnchat
10:31:19 am JoelFoner: If org asks for training, but needs OD, you could add a coach to the project who can help😉 @ginaschreck @techherding #lrnchat
10:31:39 am jenisecook: @JudithELS But, not an "or" proposition. Ha! You got me out of "just watching" mode for Q3. Good! #lrnchat
10:31:43 am StephanieDaul: @mbenumea Can we create places to learn? #lrnchat
10:31:49 am janet_frg: @michael_hanley training & learning as 2 points on continuum; possibly – certainly some training gives precursor skills 4 learning #lrnchat
10:31:51 am marketmania101: #lrnchat | Jane's E-Learning Pick of the Day: New early version of #lrnchat http://tinyurl.com/ygssosx
10:32:00 am janwebb21: @JudithELS i.e. do we want doers or thinkers? #lrnchat
10:32:19 am jenisecook: RT @mddube: Q3: We R trainers; we only play a part in learning. There is work before and after by learner & supervisors to learn. #lrnchat
10:32:49 am jenisecook: RT @TerrenceWing: @mrch0mp3rs Great things happen when we dont use the channel. The channel can be limiting and blinding #lrnchat
10:32:54 am dougsymington: RT @Dave_Ferguson: -@michaelasmith E.g., training front desk clerks in coping won't solve cust svc issues created by your stupid hotel res system. #lrnchat
10:33:10 am InSyncEU: @tonya_simmons And that is the connection that we need/want our "learners" to have in our programmes, isn't it ? #lrnchat
10:33:17 am lmccune: @StephanieDaul @mbenumea Can we create places to learn? If in the place, we value the people. #lrnchat
10:33:26 am JudithELS: @janwebb21 yes and also training is only one way in which we can help people to learn' it's not the be all & end all #lrnchat
10:33:47 am StephanieDaul: @janwebb21 I want thinkers but some business partners want doers #lrnchat
10:33:59 am mrch0mp3rs: @jenisecook @TerrenceWing I love creativity, but without shared constraints that forge it, how much can truly be shared #lrnchat
10:34:17 am tonya_simmons: @InSyncEU exactly, but somewhere along the way we lose that as grownups #lrnchat
10:34:37 am sifowler: but what about when stupid hotel res system is fixed?RT @dougsymington: RT @Dave_Ferguson: -@michaelasmith #lrnchat
10:34:52 am dmccraine: When i tell ppl I'm a trainer, they think "gym" RT @c4lpt: Q3 I am a learning prof as I help people learn; I am not a trainer #lrnchat
10:35:11 am sifowler: RT @mrch0mp3rs @jenisecook @TerrenceWing I love creativity but w/out shared constraints that forge it, how much can truly be shared #lrnchat
10:35:17 am InSyncEU: train and learn – we use the expression "Learners", anyone use "trainees"? the word suggests entry level to me – thoughts #lrnchat
10:35:19 am jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs The sad thing is negative, corp. constraints on Training/Learning inhibit or negate the forging of something creative. #lrnchat
10:35:27 am janwebb21: @JudithELS learning can involve training but also includes a lot more; training can be done with different levels of learning #lrnchat
10:35:29 am mrch0mp3rs: Q3 – I believe people say they value learning, even believe it. In practice, orgs value training leading to performance. #lrnchat
10:35:46 am neillasher: if we are so caught up in the semantics , why don't we invent some new words that encompasses both #lrnchat
10:35:52 am TerrenceWing: @mrch0mp3rs @jenisecook As long as structure allows 4 creativity. Sometimes learning ops r right on the other side of the wall #lrnchat
10:35:52 am janet_frg: @janwebb21 thinkers vs. doers? why the either/or? I want thinkers who can also do stuff. and don't want doers who don't think. #lrnchat
10:36:09 am janwebb21: @StephanieDaul depends what the desired outcome is, I suppose! #lrnchat
10:36:15 am jenisecook: RT @dmccraine: When i tell ppl Im a trainer,they think "gym" RT @c4lpt: I am a learning prof,I help people learn;I am not a trainer #lrnchat
10:36:25 am Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler My point was 'train the clerks' is Clearasil on the larger problem ('we build bad systems')… #lrnchat
10:36:36 am kvnmcl: @janwebb21 I can see your point on communication. #lrnchat is making me think🙂
10:36:40 am PhilMcCreight: RT @jenisecook: RT @dmccraine: When i tell ppl Im a trainer,they think "gym" RT @c4lpt: I am a learning prof,I help people learn;I am not a trainer #lrnchat
10:36:43 am jenisecook: @TerrenceWing You and I think alike.. at least on this particular topic. LOL #lrnchat
10:36:59 am sifowler: Is 'help' a potential substitute word for 'train'? RT @c4lpt: Q3 I am a learning prof as I help people learn in all ways; #lrnchat
10:37:14 am jenisecook: Good Idea! RT @neillasher: if we are so caught up in the semantics , why dont we invent some new words that encompasses both #lrnchat
10:37:22 am Dave_Ferguson: @sifowler …but, like using smile sheets to 'prove learning,' we'll force clerks thru training: how to use this inadequate tool. #lrnchat
10:37:23 am TerrenceWing: I don't think we're debating training v lrng, I think its a debate of good or bad interventions v outcomes. Call it what you want #lrnchat
10:37:24 am janwebb21: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Q3 – I believe people say they value learning, even believe it. In practice, orgs value training leading to performance. #lrnchat
10:37:24 am InSyncEU: @tonya_simmons But who is it that takes that away, or do we throw it away?? #lrnchat
10:37:45 am TerrenceWing: @jenisecook U said that as if we have disagreed in the past. Have we? #lrnchat
10:38:00 am CPHarbour: The sooner higher ed figures this out the better,…. RT @c4lpt Q1 I love learning! I hate being trained! #lrnchat
10:38:02 am mbenumea: @neillasher That actually sounds like a great idea… trainearning? leartraining? trlearaining? ehm… nevermind. #lrnchat
10:38:02 am Ginaschreck: Q3-Perhaps it's all about development & growth – people can come to learn & grow skills #lrnchat
10:38:14 am dmccraine: RT @TerrenceWing: I don't think we're debating training v lrng, I think its a debate of good or bad interventions v outcomes. Call it what you want #lrnchat
10:38:19 am rbacal: @jenisecook New words often confuse people more than clarify. #lrnchat
10:38:22 am tonya_simmons: @InSyncEU learner vs. trainee – your're right mostly it's learner, but most folks who impart the info are "trainers" #lrnchat
10:38:31 am jenisecook: RT @TerrenceWing: I dont think were debating training v lrng,its a debate of good or bad interventions v outcomes. #lrnchat
10:38:39 am c4lpt: @sifowler NO WAY! #lrnchat
10:38:58 am janwebb21: @janet_frg good point – but that is what we sometimes get #lrnchat
10:39:04 am mrch0mp3rs: @jenisecook When you can't get past the constraints, you have no progress. I hear you there. #lrnchat
10:39:16 am sifowler: and 'learning' is the topic/objective of the help? RT @c4lpt: Q3 I am a learning prof as I help people learn in all ways; #lrnchat
10:39:27 am jenisecook: @TerrenceWing No, not at all. I'm not available for the east coast lrnchat so I hadn't the privilege of reading your tweets.🙂 #lrnchat
10:39:31 am techherding: From my experience, when someone comes in and says they're going to "help" me, I hang on to my wallet. #lrnchat
10:39:39 am StephanieDaul: RT @rbacal: @jenisecook New words often confuse people more than clarify. We can cahnge what it is without changing the words #lrnchat
10:39:39 am neillasher: @mbenumea I was thinking of something like 'miserable' lol #lrnchat
10:39:54 am mrch0mp3rs: @TerrenceWing @jenisecook the key is there has to be some balance that shapes creativity into something that others can get. #lrnchat
10:39:57 am jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs I know, and it's so sad (re: contraints). #lrnchat
10:40:09 am c4lpt: @sifowler I like to help people become self-directed, autonomous, independent learners #lrnchat
10:40:10 am kkapp: Drive by Tweet for #lrnchat. Shouldn't we be discussion performance, not learning or training…no org cares about either only performance
10:40:14 am janwebb21: @kvnmcl I think communication essential for learning – it goes back to all the scaffolding, constructivism we learn at uni! #lrnchat
10:40:27 am busynessgirl: How many of the 10 ways to learn (http://bit.ly/9Pbvxs) get used in training? Maybe we should look there to improve training. #lrnchat
10:40:35 am PhilMcCreight: RT @c4lpt: @sifowler I like to help people become self-directed, autonomous, independent learners #lrnchat
10:40:39 am mrch0mp3rs: @StephanieDaul @rbacal @jenisecook We used to champion having lots of words. KInda feels now like that's a crime. #lrnchat
10:41:02 am Dave_Ferguson: @kkapp Amen, Brother Karl. (Though learning VENDORS care…) #lrnchat
10:41:05 am neillasher: new word for learning and training together 'communication' #lrnchat
10:41:14 am sifowler: re help vs train … is that the heart of the problem with 'training' then? What's the essen. diff? RT @c4lpt: @sifowler NO WAY! #lrnchat
10:41:16 am StephanieDaul: @kkapp agree, no matter what they call it #lrnchat
10:41:20 am kelly_smith01: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat. Shouldn't we be discussion performance, not learning or training…no org cares about either only performance
10:41:28 am jenisecook: Q3 Unless we're in the CLO seat at the BoardofDirs table with ppl who truly listen to us, we can't effectively train/have learning. #lrnchat
10:41:51 am techherding: "Leaining" or "Trearning"? Vote now! RT @neillasher: new word for learning and training together communication #lrnchat
10:42:10 am jenisecook: @kkapp: Some of us have been trying to get focus on performance.🙂 #lrnchat
10:42:14 am Rsuominen: Q3 Is it good for the training industry to be called the learning industry? RT @mddube We trainers only play a part in learning #lrnchat
10:42:30 am Ginaschreck: @rbacal @jenisecook You mean words like UNFRIEND-Twictionary-Podcast-Tweetworthy? We are adopting new words daily-I'm MommyTasking #lrnchat
10:42:33 am InSyncEU: @tonya_simmons Discussion on LinkedIn – diff between great trainer & mediocre http://bit.ly/dheAkv – great helps learning happen – #lrnchat
10:42:41 am jenisecook: @techherding My vote: measureable performance results/outcomes. #lrnchat
10:42:42 am cindyu: Creativity may benefit from constraint, but imagination requires none. #lrnchat
10:42:45 am TerrenceWing: @sifowler @mrch0mp3rs That's like controlling empowerment #lrnchat
10:42:45 am JoelFoner: RT @kkapp: Drive by Tweet. Shouldn't we be discussing performance, not learning or training-no org cares about either, only perf. #lrnchat
10:43:15 am janwebb21: RT @neillasher: new word for learning and training together 'communication' #lrnchat ABSOLUTELY!
10:43:21 am mellissalast: I fear that I'm the mktg dept b/c I can comm a msg. RT @neillasher: new word for learning and training together 'communication' #lrnchat
10:44:00 am mellissalast: Yes! RT @kelly_smith01: RT @kkapp: #lrnchat. Shouldn't we be discussion performance, not learning or training…
10:44:11 am mbenumea: @sifowler I think the problem is that you "train" dogs. That's why the "train" word is so frowned upon lately. #lrnchat
10:44:14 am techherding: Problem with "measuring" performance is that we're not in a vacuum. Many, many other inputs. #lrnchat
10:44:29 am tonya_simmons: @InSyncEU not on LinkedIn yet, but I guess that's my push to finally join🙂 #lrnchat
10:44:34 am jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs Re lots of words… I feel bombarded by terms. Esp w/ the Internet. How about "performance" for all of it? #lrnchat
10:44:36 am mbenumea: @c4lpt But then… you really don't train them. You do something else. You empower them to learn. Which is not the same. #lrnchat
10:44:56 am jenisecook: @tonya_simmons LinkedIn is great #lrnchat
10:44:57 am davidvachell: learninng is not the same as training. One is done to me (cos I need fixing) the other I do for myself (cos I want it) #lrnchat
10:45:20 am techherding: Buy a pug. You'll quit thinking that. RT @sifowler I think the problem is that you "train" dogs. #lrnchat
10:45:26 am c4lpt: @mbenumea Exactly! I said I wasn't a trainer #lrnchat
10:45:27 am jenisecook: @mbenumea And yet, dogs "perform" at the circus. LOL #lrnchat
10:45:29 am JudithELS: Thanks one & all for a great chat but have to go & feed a hungry Labrador now who is completely untrained – seriously! #lrnchat
10:45:38 am TerrenceWing: @techherding Measurement has to be a collaborative exercise between all departments not just training dept (or learning dept.) #lrnchat
10:45:41 am mddube: Q3: I find myself not using a title at all; I say: I find ways to help others do their job better and more efficiently. #lrnchat
10:45:42 am mrch0mp3rs: @jenisecook Orgs say they care about "performance" but often do many things that discourage it. #lrnchat
10:46:00 am neillasher: @jenisecook no 'Performance' is something you do on a stage #lrnchat
10:46:17 am mrch0mp3rs: I loved "Deadwood" (TV series) specifically because it had such beautiful and diverse vocabulary. #lrnchat
10:46:23 am jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs This lrnchat feels too serious. We need you, @janebozarth @gminks to raise a drinkt to this topic #lrnchat
10:46:24 am Donagee: RT @busynessgirl: How many of the 10 ways to learn (http://bit.ly/9Pbvxs) get used in training? Maybe we should look there to improve training. #lrnchat
10:46:25 am techherding: OMG! What have we done? @davidvachell gets training "because he needs fixing"! #lrnchat
10:46:25 am sifowler: @c4lpt if have knowledge/experience … what's the diff btwn me training people & helping people learn? is it percep. of power? #lrnchat
10:46:36 am mrch0mp3rs: Training, Learning, Performance — these are all loaded terms. We need granularity #lrnchat
10:46:45 am InSyncEU: @tonya_simmons some great discussions happening on there – give me a shout if you want any tips and hints :-} #lrnchat
10:46:48 am dmccraine: RT @mddube: Q3: I find myself not using a title at all; I say: I find ways to help others do their job better and more efficiently. #lrnchat
10:46:52 am Dave_Ferguson: @mrch0mp3rs Well, yes. And people say they want to be healthy while avoiding exercise and eating Processed Additive Chips. #lrnchat
10:47:00 am jenisecook: RT @mddube: Q3: I find myself not using a title at all; I say: I find ways to help others do their job better and more efficiently. #lrnchat
10:47:01 am LCWllc: RT @bschlenker: Measuring that training event took place is easy – Measuring that learning occurred is MUCH harder #lrnchat
10:47:08 am dmccraine: True! RT @mrch0mp3rs: @jenisecook Orgs say they care about "performance" but often do many things that discourage it. #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:47:15 am jenisecook: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Training, Learning, Performance — these are all loaded terms. We need granularity #lrnchat
10:47:39 am neillasher: here is how to measure training http://bit.ly/bCWT4x #lrnchat
10:47:40 am jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs Granularity or… targets? #lrnchat
10:47:45 am sifowler: that wasn't me RT @techherding: Buy a pug. You'll quit thinking that. RT @sifowler I think the problem is that you "train" dogs. #lrnchat
10:47:46 am mrch0mp3rs: @dmccraine @mddube – the "GIT'r DUN" approach. I like it. #lrnchat
10:47:47 am Dave_Ferguson: Granularity for $25: Mager's "What Every Manager Should Know About Training." #lrnchat
10:47:50 am c4lpt: @sifowler @mbenumea Read this. This explains more! http://www.c4lpt.co.uk/handbook/state.html #lrnchat
10:47:50 am InSyncEU: @Rsuominen Yes, don't we start the learner on the journey? #lrnchat
10:48:06 am jenisecook: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Granularity for $25: Magers "What Every Manager Should Know About Training." #lrnchat
10:48:11 am janwebb21: @mrch0mp3rs what's granularity?!?! at the risk of appearing immensely dense #lrnchat
10:48:12 am sifowler: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @jenisecook Orgs say they care about "performance" but often do many things that discourage it. #lrnchat
10:48:13 am mrch0mp3rs: @jenisecook Now who's getting all serious🙂 #lrnchat
10:48:39 am langholloman: @mrch0mp3rs #lrnchat yes, and do e-systems provide organizations a deeper level of granularity for train., learn., & perform.
10:48:57 am jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs Me! I'm getting too serious. Where's Jane when I need her?? LOL #lrnchat
10:49:07 am StephanieDaul: RT @InSyncEU: @Rsuominen Yes, dont we start the learner on the journey? Good training can start that journey #lrnchat
10:49:08 am mrch0mp3rs: @janwebb21 Granularity = getting really specific, like down to the grain. #lrnchat
10:49:09 am mellissalast: Imp 2 pt out trng/lrng will not fix. RT @mrch0mp3rs @jenisecook Orgs say they care abt performance but do things that discourage. #lrnchat
10:49:13 am techherding: "@techherding — not serious since early 1978, and even that was just a misunderstanding." #lrnchat
10:49:39 am InSyncEU: @davidvachell Like the thoughts – I get training because someone else thinks I need it to do my job, I learn to improve me !! #lrnchat
10:49:51 am davidvachell: If we really are "learning professionals" then precision language matters – it is how we communicate meaning #lrnchat
10:49:52 am JaneBozarth: @jenisecook Which Jane?🙂 Honest have not been lurking. Just dropped in now. #lrnchat
10:50:16 am mddube: Need to return to help people learn. Lunch is over. Great seeing your perspectives. Maithreyee Dube, New Horizons, Syracuse. #lrnchat
10:50:31 am mrch0mp3rs: You guys are killing me with your good points. RT @jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs Granularity or… targets? #lrnchat
10:50:32 am jenisecook: @JaneBozarth You, Jane. I need u on this topic to keep me from getting too serious. LOL #lrnchat
10:50:39 am techherding: 'Zactly! RT @davidvachell I get training because someone else thinks I need it to do my job, I learn to improve me !! #lrnchat
10:51:09 am jenisecook: @JaneBozarth Awwww…. it's wrapup time for this UK session. I won't be on this evening. Dinner time on the west coast. #lrnchat
10:51:19 am JaneBozarth: @jenisecook Child it is only 12:50 here on the east coast. And I am on a break from my Real Job as world's worst bureaucrat. #lrnchat
10:51:23 am sifowler: Shared it w/ my org last week, very helpful! RT @c4lpt: Read this. This explains more! http://www.c4lpt.co.uk/handbook/state.html #lrnchat
10:51:25 am Ginaschreck: RT @busynessgirl: How many of the 10 ways to learn (http://bit.ly/9Pbvxs) get used in training? Let's improve training./GR8 SLIDES #lrnchat
10:51:30 am techherding: Like Beelzebub, all you have to do say her name… @JaneBozarth @JaneBozarth @JaneBozarth #lrnchat
10:52:00 am jenisecook: @mrch0mp3rs I will miss u (and others) this evening. That lrnchat is dinner time on the Left Coast. #lrnchat
10:52:07 am jenisecook: RT @techherding: Like Beelzebub, all you have to do say her name… @JaneBozarth @JaneBozarth @JaneBozarth #lrnchat
10:52:27 am mrch0mp3rs: @jenisecook It's my dinnertime, too🙂 #lrnchat
10:52:45 am JaneBozarth: @techherding That's right. Beelzebub and Beetlejuice. #lrnchat
10:53:03 am lmccune: Enjoyed my 1st #lrnchat, thanks! #lrnchat
10:53:16 am jenisecook: See, now lrnchat is FUN! RT @JaneBozarth: @techherding Thats right. Beelzebub and Beetlejuice. #lrnchat
10:53:26 am notionlearning: There was a discussion of 'learning needs vs. training needs' on trainingzone.co.uk back in 2004 http://bit.ly/btYbG7 #lrnchat
10:53:38 am JaneBozarth: @jenisecook @techherding And I prefer "Mistress of Evil" (MOE) #lrnchat
10:53:42 am jenisecook: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links & requests (or shameless plugs) welcome, too. #lrnchat
10:53:46 am neillasher: It's been great today, thank you guys for attending Neil Lasher, London Dr eLearning… http://bit.ly/cHRWR2 #lrnchat
10:53:50 am Ginaschreck: @JaneBozarth GREAT ending to the show! *Jane pops head in the #lrnchat door and asks, "Which Jane* -right on que!!
10:54:03 am chrstphr_adams: @kkapp Human performance is important – financial or mission performance more so – but human capital efforts should align #lrnchat
10:54:10 am janwebb21: @mrch0mp3rs dinnertime for me too – thanks for the chat everyone #lrnchat
10:54:12 am tonya_simmons: We'll be on the road to Nana's house tonight here in the midwest – that's why I'm joining in this a.m. #lrnchat
10:54:19 am mrch0mp3rs: I'm Aaron Silvers, #learncore rapper at http://beard.it/1y , troublemaker, constructive heretic, beard and at your service. #lrnchat
10:54:19 am dmccraine: Qwrap) Already?! can't I have another drink, and a hug, and a story… wait that's what my kids say #lrnchat
10:54:19 am sifowler: Qwrap) Simon Fowler, R&D Forum Corp, overly serious today, but really, I'm lots of fun! http://bit.ly/aOA5OF #lrnchat
10:54:28 am techherding: RT @jenisecook Put @JaneBozarth and me in the same space, and you'd better hide the good china. #lrnchat
10:54:46 am JaneBozarth: @Ginaschreck Yes, well, the better, adult Jane @c4lpt is in England setting a good example…and then there's me. #lrnchat
10:54:51 am InSyncEU: It's been great – David Smith, Helping Trainers/Designers/Companies to be more effective in the live online classroom #lrnchat
10:54:53 am c4lpt: Jane Hart, signing off from nr Bath, in the UK. Another great session at #lrnchat See you next week
10:54:57 am jenisecook: Qwrap) Jenise, Calif. [something] professional focused on e-learning, or something. Prefer performance outcomes and happy learners! #lrnchat
10:55:00 am StephanieDaul: Thanks for the great chat. Time to get back to work. See you all next week! #lrnchat
10:55:29 am c4lpt: @sifowler Great thanks! #lrnchat
10:55:40 am jenisecook: Qwrap) http://www.RidgeViewMedia.com UK tweeps, feel free to follow me. I want to learn from you. #lrnchat
10:55:42 am kvnmcl: @lrnchat I missed quite a bit but hopefully will join in on the next #lrnchat
10:55:55 am dmccraine: Qwrap) Danny McCraine, gotta go to a meeting, anyway #lrnchat
10:56:23 am busynessgirl: Nice chatting with you all. If you're interested in the playing = learning concept, check out http://prezi.com/r2lbb3lfomg5 #lrnchat
10:56:29 am mbenumea: Wonderful #lrnchat! Got lots of articles to read! Memo Benumea, learning to learn and learning how to empower learning; San Diego, CA
10:56:31 am bschlenker: Brent Schlenker – Phx – eLearning pot stirrer – Home with 2nd grader today – Hope to see many of you in Orlando at LS2010 #lrnchat
10:56:34 am Ginaschreck: RT @notionlearning: Discussion of 'learning vs. traiing' on trainingzone.co.uk back in 2004 http://bit.ly/btYbG7 #lrnchat //AHH PROGRESS
10:56:42 am InSyncEU: 101 tips to motivate the online learner!! http://bit.ly/ceVX8T Excuse the form … promise no follow up unless you ask nicely!!!! #lrnchat
10:57:04 am Dave_Ferguson: Still in DC, daveswhiteboard.com, Reform Behaviorist, thinker of thoughts, most prominent Cape Bretoner in #lrnchat
10:57:11 am tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, production designer, Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames IA #lrnchat
10:57:14 am langholloman: how do we learn from #lrnchat http://teachingcollegemath.com/?page_id=2100
10:57:15 am busynessgirl: @mrch0mp3rs What kind of services does the beard provide? #lrnchat
10:57:32 am alisonrbcm: Gr8 2 exchange views @ #lrnchat Alison Smith signing off from Edinburgh – helping peeps find their paddle next week so see u in 2
10:57:34 am TerrenceWing: Terrence Wing – Los Angeles. Thanks for the chat. #lrnchat
10:58:08 am davidvachell: David Vachell, Maidenhead, UK – passionate about learning in orgs – less so about training🙂 Bye for now! #lrnchat
10:58:17 am sifowler: Wow, that was quite a ride with great #lrnchat folks. Much to process. Thanks all.
10:58:20 am StephanieDaul: @bschlenker Can't wait for #ls2010 #lrnchat
10:58:37 am larshyland: Lumps, crystals, grains? Level? RT @mrch0mp3rs: Training, Learning, Performance — these are loaded terms. We need granularity #lrnchat
10:58:44 am InSyncEU: Hope to see some of you at ASTD 2010 #astd10 in Chicago in May? #lrnchat
10:58:50 am mellissalast: LOVE! RT @busynessgirl: How many of the 10 ways to learn (http://bit.ly/9Pbvxs) get used in training? Let's improve training. #lrnchat
10:58:57 am mbenumea: @StephanieDaul True. No argument there. But I think the place is not as important as the intent. (can we create places to learn?) #lrnchat
10:59:19 am StephanieDaul: @InSyncEU Will be there too! #lrnchat
10:59:30 am Ginaschreck: QWrap) Gina Schreck- multi-tasking maven- lover of learning- virtual world enthusiast-speaker-author ..shall I go on..🙂 #lrnchat
10:59:47 am mrch0mp3rs: @busynessgirl The Beard abides… #lrnchat
10:59:50 am Rsuominen: Thanks for an interesting chat. Riitta Suominen, Tampere, Finland – eTeacher, Course Designer, Writer, eLearning Consultant. #lrnchat
10:59:59 am notionlearning: @Ginaschreck Is it progress or are we just spinning around and around – sometimes feels that way!! #lrnchat
11:00:10 am InSyncEU: @StephanieDaul Of course – major event on your doorstep… Maybe catch up there? #lrnchat
11:00:14 am mellissalast: Nice LEARNING with all of you!🙂 #lrnchat
11:00:28 am LearningPutty: Renee Robbins – Chicago, IL – http://www.learningputty.com | Thanks for a great #lrnchat session!
11:00:33 am lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls invite others next week & tell us if you blog about the conversation. http://j.mp/lrnchat
11:00:38 am lmccune: Laurie McCune, Georgia – 55 and sunny. Headed outside to work on integrating learning and training for better performance! #lrnchat
11:01:08 am mbenumea: @Neillasher 'miserable'? Lol! Well if you come up with a word, pls let me know. Thanks for participating today in #lrnchat!
11:01:14 am StephanieDaul: @InSyncEU Voulenteering on Sunday and Monday and then free to move around on Tuesday #lrnchat
11:01:16 am lrnchat: We'll announce here as soon as the #lrnchat transcript is posted to the website.

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