Transcript 14 January 2010

8:30:02 pm lrnchat: Welcome to #lrnchat tonight everyone! Welcome.
8:30:23 pm magdaZINE: RT @lrnchat: Tonight on #lrnchat – Helping learning happen in large organizations. 8:30ET/5:30PT Full details> http://sn.im/lrnchat
8:30:25 pm tmiket: 90 minutes of #lrnchat ing starting….now!
8:30:31 pm littleasklab: Entering #lrnchat Pls excuse number of tweets!
8:30:56 pm littleasklab: RT @moehlert: #lrnchat Maybe start off with reflection and prayer for those who struggle for the most basic thing-life-in Haiti tonight
8:31:11 pm JaneBozarth: Beware ye the pending flood of #lrnchat tweets.
8:31:13 pm moehlert: RT @valdiskrebs: “Do not speak unless you can improve on silence.” — http://bit.ly/5ShrGO #lrnchat😉 hehe
8:31:25 pm magdaZINE: I need to leave soon but I will stalk #lrnchat for awhile
8:32:03 pm JaneBozarth: Tonight in #lrnchat I will be using the metaphor of the purple fire extinguisher
8:32:11 pm mpetersell: @jdarling44 Hi John – we are having fun with our new e-campus sandbox! Thanks #lrnchat
8:33:03 pm KoreenOlbrish: oof! just got here in time for #lrnchat
8:33:17 pm usablelearning: Sad I can’t #lrnchat tonight…
8:33:24 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth Beware ye the pending flood of #lrnchat tweets.🙂
8:33:35 pm urbie: purple fire extinguisher to put out class b fires? #lrnchat
8:33:53 pm Quinnovator: ah, time for #lrnchat, 90 mins for mindstimulating tweeting, duck or join in!
8:34:07 pm jdarling44: @mpetersell glad to hear it Mike. Have a ball! I’m looking forward to seeing the magic you create. #lrnchat
8:34:07 pm simbeckhampson: @sahana2802 Hi Sahana… #lrnchat
8:34:08 pm jkunrein: prepare for a tweet-flood… I’m back on #lrnchat! #lrnchat
8:34:21 pm TrDev: #lrnchat Jerome Bruner and the Process of Education: Jerome Bruner has made a profound contribution to our apprec… http://bit.ly/4MYv1H
8:34:22 pm TrDev: #lrnchat David A. Kolb – Experiential Learning: David A. Kolb’s model of experiential learning can be found in man… http://bit.ly/6Uzy3q
8:34:22 pm sahana2802: Up and waiting in anticipation for #lrnchat to begin….I love the way my Fridays start.
8:34:36 pm JaneBozarth: @urbie Wait for it… you’re going to like it #lrnchat
8:34:42 pm Ginaschreck: RT @JaneBozarth: Tonight in #lrnchat I will be using the metaphor of the purple fire extinguisher //oo intrigue already🙂
8:34:46 pm mpetersell: @jdarling44 So am I! It will take some magic. #lrnchat
8:34:50 pm JaneBozarth: Somebody please explain how to NOT see #lrnchat if you don’t want to? thx
8:35:01 pm britz: good evening from warm and sunny Syracuse, NY ….ahhh the power of positive thinking… #lrnchat
8:35:16 pm espnguyen: @JaneBozarth Thanks for being such a gracious and inviting host (as always) #lrnchat
8:35:31 pm mizrik: this is my 1st #lrnchat, well participating in any tweet chat forum… so unsure what to do
8:35:35 pm jdarling44: @jaycross thanks Jay, this looks like it is going to be a hoot. #lrnchat
8:35:44 pm Ginaschreck: I jsut posted a quick blog about how to participate in Twitter chat nights such as #lrnchat #agchat #gno etc http://Synapse3di.com
8:36:11 pm kelly_smith01: Tweet the lrnchat, I pray you, as I pronounced it to you #lrnchat
8:36:15 pm tmiket: @mizrik welcome and enjoy the ride😎 #lrnchat
8:36:22 pm simbeckhampson: @mizrik Just relax and get ready for tweet mayhem😉 #lrnchat
8:36:45 pm mpetersell: @mizrik relax and enjoy; moderator will tweet the rules shortly – welcome #lrnchat
8:36:51 pm jsuzcampos: Syracuse is sunny and @JaneBozarth has a purple fire extinguisher. It’s going to be a great night at #lrnchat
8:37:07 pm tmiket: The good kind of mayhem RT @simbeckhampson: @mizrik Just relax and get ready for tweet mayhem😉 #lrnchat
8:37:20 pm moehlert: RT @Ginaschreck: posted aquick blog about how to participate in Twitter chat nights such as #lrnchat #agchat #gno etc http://Synapse3di.com
8:37:21 pm KoreenOlbrish: @mizrik welcome–just jump right in! #lrnchat
8:37:26 pm mizrik: @britz I need to borrow that “warm and sunny” down here in Atlanta #lrnchat
8:37:29 pm littleasklab: welcome @mizrik RT@Ginaschreck posted a quick blog about how to participate in Twitter chat nights such as #lrnchat http://Synapse3di.com
8:37:51 pm kelly_smith01: I am going to google purple fire extinguisher #lrnchat
8:37:54 pm Ginaschreck: BEWARE all who don’t want to learn- #lrnchat is begining- May cause swelling of brain, redness of fingertips & the occasionl ingrown toenail
8:38:00 pm RayLinDairy: RT @Ginaschreck: I just posted a quick blog about how 2 participate in Twitter chats such as #lrnchat #agchat #gno etc http://Synapse3di.com
8:38:11 pm simbeckhampson: Its freezing in Bavaria this evening, erm morning… #lrnchat
8:38:17 pm JaneBozarth: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:38:35 pm britz: @mizrik mind you warm for ‘Cuse is 38 #lrnchat
8:38:40 pm JaneBozarth: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
8:38:44 pm sahana2802: RT @moehlert: RT @Ginaschreck: posted aquick blog about how to participate in Twitter chat nights such as #lrnchat #agchat #gno etc htt …
8:38:45 pm jaycross: Jay Cross, Internet Time Alliance, Berkeley. Interested in building learning ecologies. http://bit.ly/6vGY1X #lrnchat
8:38:51 pm lrnchat: RT @JaneBozarth: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:38:52 pm JaneBozarth: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
8:38:57 pm marciamarcia: Anyone remember the guy who used to speak at conferences about how we behave like we’re duct taped to the wall? #lrnchat
8:39:06 pm JaneBozarth: ) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in
8:39:09 pm mizrik: I like good mayhem RT @tmiket: The good kind of mayhem RT @simbeckhampson: @mizrik Just relax and get ready for tweet mayhem😉 #lrnchat
8:39:15 pm simbeckhampson: @sahana2802 2:39am #lrnchat
8:39:27 pm JaneBozarth: 6) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com , http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well.
8:39:28 pm minutebio: Jeff Goldman, e-Learning Designer, Baltimore, MD #lrnchat
8:39:29 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, gonzo learning experience design evangelist. Speak/write/do: games, mobile, social/informal, strategy Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
8:39:34 pm lrnchat: RT @JaneBozarth: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If u can, include Q# in responses.
8:39:37 pm ShaSha16: I get that there are people that know their trade very well – but it doesn’t mean they can teachers others to do it #lrnchat
8:39:38 pm kelly_smith01: Purple Fire exting – fluidized and siliconized potassium bicarbonate dry chemical #lrnchat
8:39:38 pm tmiket: Mike Taylor, Learning developer in Columbus, OH #lrnchat
8:39:38 pm Ginaschreck: RT @JaneBozarth: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics? #lrnchat
8:39:40 pm mpetersell: HI all! Mike from Connecticut; Focus is Management Development; interests: informal learning; social media; hockey and the NY Jets! #lrnchat
8:39:40 pm mizrik: @littleasklab thank u very much; actually @Ginaschreck is the reason I’m here tonight #lrnchat
8:39:49 pm sahana2802: Sahana, Instructional designer, love to learn, believe in informal/collective learning like this, from India, Pune #lrnchat
8:39:58 pm everyselearning: Myra Rhodes elearning course architect & blog talk radio host http://www.blogtalkradio.com/everyones #lrnchat
8:39:59 pm wgcorbett: Wendy in Raleigh. My first #lrnchat
8:39:59 pm gminks: Q0 I’m Gina in Boston and I’m overwhelmed🙂 #lrnchat
8:40:02 pm simbeckhampson: @sahana2802 Not sure I can make the whole session….we’ll see #lrnchat
8:40:35 pm simbeckhampson: Paul Simbeck-Hampson, Bavaria. Innovation Learning Consultant #lrnchat
8:40:38 pm lrnchat: RT @JaneBozarth: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers learn from you. 4) on #lrnchat aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome
8:40:41 pm Ginaschreck: RT @JaneBozarth: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new Q will be asked every 20min or so. Include Q# in related responses. #lrnchat
8:40:42 pm tmiket: @wgcorbett Welcome. You never forget your first #lrnchat
8:40:47 pm urbie: urbie delgado, id, winding down my stint at unlv; transitioning to an iss role with u.s. customs in a couple weeks & moving to dc #lrnchat
8:40:53 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, Learning Adviser & Contributor – North Texas #lrnchat
8:40:54 pm lrnchat: RT @JaneBozarth: ) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in
8:40:56 pm britz: @Quinnovator – Hi Clark …great Webinar last night …DimDim a bit fickle …but content great as always. #lrnchat
8:41:00 pm sahana2802: @simbeckhampson Ohhh! You are even more dedicated than I am. #lrnchat. I am truly inspired.🙂
8:41:05 pm ChristyATucker: Q0 Hi all! Christy Tucker, instructional designer near Raleigh, NC, playing with Moodle a lot these days. #lrnchat
8:41:10 pm roninchef: Ahoy, Ahoy! Mason Masteka eLearning Developer in Portland Maine. Rocking the audio video development this week. #lrnchat
8:41:16 pm lrnchat: RT @JaneBozarth: 6) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com , http://tweetgrid.com & work well.
8:41:28 pm jsuzcampos: Q0, Jeannette Campos, southern New Hampshire, USA, design-enthusiast, learning-lover, small business owner, grad school instructor #lrnchat
8:41:34 pm espnguyen: Steve Nguyen, Technology Lead, Minneapolis #lrnchat
8:41:37 pm JaneBozarth: 7) 10 min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
8:41:45 pm sahana2802: @JaneBozarth You forgot #lrnchat hashtag!🙂🙂
8:41:48 pm jkunrein: Q0) judy unrein, instructional designer, getting back to the online scene after (my secret’s out) my very tiring 1st trimester! #lrnchat
8:42:02 pm Ginaschreck: RT @JaneBozarth: 3)Complete thoughts help follwrs outside chat lrn frm you. 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm welcome tho #lrnchat
8:42:03 pm JaneBozarth: Q0(our weekly #lrnchat welcome, also check out @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:42:11 pm Quinnovator: wonderful to see all you great #lrnchat tweeps here again!
8:42:12 pm lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
8:42:25 pm jadekaz: Jade Kazmierski, Milwaukee, ID and wbt dev #lrnchat
8:42:26 pm britz: Mark Britz, ISD Syracuse, NY – GO Orange! #lrnchat
8:42:33 pm JaneBozarth: I learned RIGHT NOW that Socialoomph does not always work #lrnchat
8:42:36 pm janet_frg: Janet – elearning, info science and general geek, enjoying a warming trend in the Ohio Valley and looking forward to tonight’s #lrnchat
8:42:38 pm Quinnovator: RT @britz: @Quinnovator – Hi Clark …great Webinar last night …DimDim a bit fickle …but content great as always. #lrnchat Informal Learning – May add to resume #lrnchat
8:46:36 pm ChristyATucker: @jkunrein Congrats on the twins! #lrnchat
8:47:01 pm JaneBozarth: Has anyone seen @dave_ferguson? #lrnchat
8:47:13 pm jaycross: Q1. Forms of formal. Anything where an outsider sets the curriculum: class, workshop, course, lecture, etc. #lrnchat
8:47:17 pm marciamarcia: RT @littleasklab @marciamarcia not duct taped to wall – but definitely velcro-ed to the couch. #lrnchat <:)
8:47:23 pm wgcorbett: Q1: ‘programs’–scripted learning, exercises. Can be effective, depending on design and facilitation #lrnchat
8:47:32 pm Quinnovator: @lrn2day learned that I can get heaps of writing done on a plane (but think not affordable approach to finish the book!) #lrnchat
8:47:33 pm jkunrein: @ChristyATucker thanks again, Christy! #lrnchat
8:47:48 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) Courses, curriculum, certification, development plans, VILT, ILT, assessment, video, audio #lrnchat
8:47:51 pm minutebio: Q1) Formal – Asynchronous & synchronous e-learning, F2F, OJT. We set objectives #lrnchat
8:47:53 pm simbeckhampson: I’m using tweet grid…also worth a look at for live conversations #lrnchat
8:47:54 pm britz: Q1) F2F…ineffective …targets too many practicioners and experts #lrnchat
8:48:01 pm Ginaschreck: Q1: Some forms of org learning-informal w mentoring-watercooler chat etc- very effective because of relevancy- I need it-i learn it #lrnchat
8:48:01 pm lrnchat: Q1) What are the forms of formal/structured learning in the org? How effective are they? #lrnchat
8:48:02 pm espnguyen: RT @jaycross: Q1. Forms of formal. Anything where an outsider sets the curriculum: class, workshop, course, lecture, etc. #lrnchat
8:48:02 pm jsuzcampos: RT @JaneBozarth: Has anyone seen @dave_ferguson? < I said paradigm! You know what that means! #lrnchat
8:48:56 pm moehlert: RT @jaycross: Q1. Forms of formal. Anything where an outsider sets the curriculum: class, workshop, course, lecture, etc. #lrnchat Love it
8:48:57 pm ChristyATucker: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the forms of formal/structured learning in the org? How effective are they? #lrnchat
8:49:13 pm littleasklab: I learned that I still don’t understand “affordances” #lrnchat
8:49:15 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) Simulations, games, mentoring, assignments #lrnchat
8:49:20 pm minutebio: RT @britz: Q1) F2F…ineffective …targets too many practicioners and experts // That’s what are learners are #lrnchat
8:49:20 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) So much well-intentioned formal learning is so divorced from context/reality that it lacks anything resembling effectiveness #lrnchat
8:49:20 pm mizrik: RT @JaneBozarth Q1) What are the forms of formal/structured learning in the org? How effective are they? #lrnchat
8:49:26 pm Quinnovator: Q1: courses (depends on pedagogy and time, not very efffective), webinars (ditto), aysnch elearning (depends on pedagogy) #lrnchat
8:49:27 pm tmiket: Fair amt of formal programs are dated by the time they are delivered. #lrnchat
8:49:37 pm simbeckhampson: Lots of RT’s to the first question… #lrnchat
8:49:49 pm mizrik: RT @ValerieRoberts: I just learned about Tweetchat.com. Thx to all who posted it. #Lrnchat / me too!
8:49:51 pm hjarche: Boy, 4, Chooses Long Locks & Is Suspended From Class http://u.nu/68cj4 conformity in structured learning starts early folks #lrnchat
8:49:51 pm jaycross: Q1) Of course, no learning is 100% formal or 100% informal. It’s a matter of proportion. #lrnchat
8:49:54 pm jkunrein: Define outsider…? RT @jaycross: Q1. Forms of formal. Anything where an outsider sets the curriculum. #lrnchat
8:49:55 pm jadekaz: RT @JaneBozarth: Q1) What are the forms of formal/structured learning in the org? How effective are they? #lrnchat (via @Quinnovator)
8:49:58 pm Ginaschreck: Q1 -Formal structured learning in org- Role Playing- somewhat effective when done right- I like when instructor plays hard role #lrnchat
8:49:59 pm moehlert: RT @simplydan: Updated #USCG CG-LIMS Sources Sought, *DRAFT* CONOP & ORD http://bit.ly/4Rt4RG Did I remember to say it’s a DRAFT? #lrnchat
8:50:00 pm gminks: Q1 classes, internet classes, recorded classes, elearning, boot camps, whiteboard videos, demo software…. #lrnchat
8:50:21 pm sahana2802: RT @jsuzcampos Q1So much well-intentioned formal lrng is divorced frm context/reality tht it lacks anything like effectiveness #lrnchat
8:50:23 pm mpetersell: @tmiket: RT @jaycross: Anything where an outsider sets the curriculum: Outsiders are we? #lrnchat
8:50:24 pm Quinnovator: depending on your def, I put job aids into formal as well (they’re designed, at least), and can be very effective #lrnchat
8:50:36 pm ChristyATucker: Q1) Formal learning is structured around courses. Effectiveness depends on pedagogy & strategies more than modality #lrnchat
8:50:37 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jsuzcampos: Much well-intentioned formal learning so divorced from context/reality,it lacks anything resembling effectiveness #lrnchat
8:50:42 pm Spydeesense: Greetings #lrnchat & 2 my followers tho ye be few, please forgive me as I chichat the learn
8:50:43 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Mostly formal (from consulting gigs at major telecoms) e-learn and ILT #lrnchat
8:50:46 pm SueSchnorr: Q1 Working with client to complement formal sales training -informal learning + knowledge mgt. Looking at Wikis- open 4 other #lrnchat
8:50:50 pm Quinnovator: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q1) Simulations, games, mentoring, assignments #lrnchat
8:50:53 pm roninchef: Q1 My team, IT Training, runs the gambit. Classroom, online, job aids etc. Needs analysis drives our approach. No silver bullet. #lrnchat
8:50:54 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q1. formal = structured, designed, and/or measured #lrnchat
8:50:56 pm jaycross: Q1) Formal can be terribly efficient for orienting novices, mapping out a new territory, doing rote stuff like compliance…. #lrnchat
8:51:03 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 Learning labs, self-paced, “certification”, I do lots of virtual classroom #lrnchat
8:51:04 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @jaycross: Q1. Forms of formal. Anything where an outsider sets the curriculum: class, workshop, course, lecture, etc. <– nice #lrnchat
8:51:05 pm reward75: Lurking over… Formal training is only as effective as the practice afterwards #lrnchat
8:51:05 pm sahana2802: RT @jkunrein Define outsider…? RT @jaycross: Q1. Forms of formal. Anything where an outsider sets the curriculum. #lrnchat
8:51:13 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) Forms of formal = workshops, speakers, experts, training classrooms, seminars . Effectiveness = varied. #lrnchat
8:51:25 pm simbeckhampson: Q1 Events. One time payments then back to it…Processes take commitment. #lrnchat
8:51:27 pm urbie: how depends on org. irony: in my recent higher-ed staff experience slowly #lrnchat
8:51:30 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jaycross: Q1) Of course, no learning is 100% formal or 100% informal. It’s a matter of proportion. #lrnchat
8:51:30 pm JaneBozarth: and never updated after that… RT @tmiket: Fair amt of formal programs are dated by the time they are delivered. #lrnchat
8:51:33 pm Spydeesense: SMarcus Hswe, geek chic straight outta Philadelphia w/Tandem Learning #lrnchat
8:51:37 pm littleasklab: Or context has changed RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) So much well-intentioned formal learning is so divorced from context/reality t #lrnchat
8:51:52 pm manishmo: Q1 Induction trg and it is quite effective #lrnchat
8:51:59 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) EPSS, job aides, help systems, files, documents, spreadsheets… #lrnchat
8:52:00 pm Quinnovator: role-plays, coaching meetings, 360 reviews, workshops, seminars (moderately effective) #lrnchat
8:52:02 pm mpetersell: Q1 – effectiveness depends on instructional design #lrnchat
8:52:04 pm jaycross: Don Norman told me once that formal is crappy, but it was how we got to where we were, ironically discussing informal learning #lrnchat
8:52:04 pm JaneBozarth: So much isn’t really “learning” ; that’s not even the goal #lrnchat
8:52:09 pm sahana2802: An outsider may be one who is not directly taking the course but will be affected by how the learners perform (business managers). #lrnchat
8:52:10 pm ShaSha16: Hi all shandy from ny. Inst’l designer of leadership programs passionate about learning technologies #lrnchat
8:52:12 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Q1 Resident courses. Online courses. Online discrete modules.
8:52:20 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Spydeesense whoa! look who’s all representin’ up in here! #lrnchat
8:52:20 pm britz: RT @Quinnovator: …I put job aids into formal as well … Formal design, informally used, no? #lrnchat
8:52:28 pm gminks: certifications #lrnchat
8:52:31 pm marciamarcia: How effective is formal/structured teaching in the org? Q1 #lrnchat How effective is anything? It depends on 1000 factors.
8:52:31 pm tmiket: @JaneBozarth Yes the ol’ “one and done” syndrome. #lrnchat
8:52:43 pm JaneBozarth: @quinnovator I’d agree that job aids = formal, and even wish we had more of those #lrnchat
8:52:52 pm Taml17: Sorry for the repost-had a typo in hashtag. Formal learning for us includes mentoring and coaching. Our coaching program is effect. #lrnchat
8:52:58 pm jaycross: RT @JaneBozarth: So much isnt really “learning” ; thats not even the goal | YES! Doing is the goal. #lrnchat
8:53:01 pm dwilkinsnh: @WGCorbett Hey Wendy! Welcome to the party. #lrnchat
8:53:01 pm jkunrein: RT @britz: RT @Quinnovator: …I put job aids into formal as well … Formal design, informally used, no? #lrnchat
8:53:06 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth So much isn’t really “learning” ; that’s not even the goal #lrnchat. So true. Maybe just performance is.
8:53:12 pm Spydeesense: Q1 formal learning wears a suit & tie and sits on an LMS b/c it’s synched into a so-called performance matrix – it’s a company man #lrnchat
8:53:20 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth Hi. I’m Mr. Compliance and this is Mr. Checkbox. Where is the classroom? #lrnchat
8:53:30 pm roninchef: I also learned this week bypassing our ancient LMS to deliver learning content is the new hotness in my department. #lrnchat
8:53:30 pm jadekaz: #lrnchat Q1 one on one at desk, classroom, manuals, custom elearning for technical, off shelf for softskills, hosting association events
8:53:46 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Large course catalog w/little or no structure to competencies of learners nor career path #lrnchat
8:53:49 pm jdarling44: To me a formal learning process has some type of pre-ordained structure & order to it. #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:53:52 pm jkunrein: agreed… RT @JaneBozarth: @quinnovator Id agree that job aids = formal, and even wish we had more of those #lrnchat
8:53:54 pm Quinnovator: formal has moved from apprenticeship to knowledge dump: need to get back to natural #lrnchat
8:53:55 pm JaneBozarth: Can I talk about purple fire extinguishers now? Problem relates to silos. #lrnchat
8:53:57 pm tmiket: RT @moehlert: @JaneBozarth Hi. I’m Mr. Compliance and this is Mr. Checkbox. Where is the classroom? #lrnchat
8:53:59 pm minutebio: Did we include m-learning? Yes m-learning. Plus many job aids delivered this way #lrnchat
8:54:05 pm jaycross: Q1) Again, it’s wrong to think formal=bad/ineffective & informal=good/panacea. Depends on context #lrnchat
8:54:06 pm Ginaschreck: Q1-so much of formal learning is TEACHER-centered. I created & delivered it- few orgs measure results properly to see if applied #lrnchat
8:54:07 pm urbie: in some industries legislated learning gets the bucks & most resources; next product knowledge; staff development @ bottom #lrnchat
8:54:13 pm janet_frg: formal training good for foundational learning (much like a trumpeter needs to learn the basics of how to play before doing improv) #lrnchat
8:54:23 pm kelly_smith01: RT @roninchef: I also learned this week bypassing our ancient LMS to deliver learning content is the new hotness in my department. #lrnchat
8:54:31 pm Quinnovator: RT @britz: RT @Quinnovator: …I put job aids into formal as well … Formal design, informally used, no? #lrnchat < YES!
8:54:33 pm minutebio: RT @jaycross: Q1) Again, its wrong to think formal=bad/ineffective & informal=good/panacea. Depends on context #lrnchat
8:54:36 pm espnguyen: RT @Spydeesense: Q1 formal learning wears a suit & tie and sits on an LMS – it’s a company man #lrnchat
8:54:38 pm sahana2802: RT @jaycross RT @JaneBozarth: So much isnt really “learning”, thats not even the goal | YES! Doing is the goal. #lrnchat |
8:54:39 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) Knowledge management too when it’s highly structured and permission oriented… as opposed to wiki-esque #lrnchat
8:54:43 pm JaneBozarth: True. RT @tmiket: RT @moehlert: Hi. I’m Mr. Compliance and this is Mr. Checkbox. Where is the classroom? #lrnchat
8:54:44 pm simbeckhampson: Q1 Formal learning sounds so old fashioned… #lrnchat
8:54:49 pm mpetersell: Q1 – Does mentoring count as formal if the relationship is set up by the learning department? #lrnchat
8:54:53 pm everyselearning: Well said RT Spydeesense Q1 formal learning wears a suit & tie and sits on an LMS #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:54:53 pm DeniseClark25: RT @RayLinDairy: RT @Ginaschreck: I just posted a quick blog about how 2 participate in Twitter chats such as #lrnchat #agchat #gno etc …
8:55:00 pm Quinnovator: RT @jaycross: Q1) Again, it’s wrong to think formal=bad/ineffective & informal=good/panacea. Depends on context #lrnchat < and DESIGN!
8:55:06 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator I think job aids count too and EPSS, help systems etc… #lrnchat
8:55:17 pm wgcorbett: please tell about purple fire extinguishers. #lrnchat
8:55:17 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) Is formal learning anything that the learner does not self-select into? #lrnchat
8:55:23 pm roninchef: RT @Quinnovator: formal has moved from apprenticeship to knowledge dump: need to get back to natural. Yes! Hands need to get dirty! #lrnchat
8:55:25 pm minutebio: My opinion, soft skills most effectively delivered F2F. However not always feasible at many orgs #lrnchat
8:55:26 pm mpetersell: RT @espnguyen: RT @Spydeesense: Q1 formal learning wears a suit & tie and sits on an LMS – its a company man – Like this! #lrnchat
8:55:44 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: Can I talk about purple fire extinguishers now? Problem relates to silos. #lrnchat < off your meds, dear?
8:56:04 pm LVSConsulting: RT @minutebio: My opinion, soft skills most effectively delivered F2F. However not always feasible at many orgs #lrnchat
8:56:08 pm ChristyATucker: The structure of formal learning is determined before learners start; the goals of informal learning are collaborative w/ learners #lrnchat
8:56:12 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh agreed, designed and structured solutions #lrnchat
8:56:12 pm littleasklab: Ahh the lack of frustration w/ a well designed job aid @quinnovator I’d agree that job aids = formal … wish we had more of those #lrnchat
8:56:14 pm simbeckhampson: Q1 Formal is, you are required to attend or your out of job #lrnchat
8:56:15 pm Ginaschreck: Purple fire extinguishers…inquiring minds want to know #lrnchat
8:56:19 pm britz: @jaycross formal for novices…informal more for experts? #lrnchat
8:56:21 pm JaneBozarth: If I did safety vid starring Meryl Streep, 7 agencies wouldn’t use it b/c “You used red fire extinguishers, & ours are purple.” #lrnchat
8:56:22 pm tmiket: @jsuzcampos I think formal lrng can be self-selected #lrnchat
8:56:22 pm eviaGilder948: Q1-so much of formal learning is TEACHER-centered. I created & delivered it- few orgs measure results properly to see if applied #lrnchat
8:56:23 pm jkunrein: IMO no, unless there is a set curriculum. Which would be odd for mentoring RT @mpetersell: Q1 – Does mentoring count as formal…? #lrnchat
8:56:24 pm ValerieRoberts: Q1 – ILT, CBT, job aid #Lrnchat
8:56:28 pm bernardaHaines6: Q1) Again, it’s wrong to think formal=bad/ineffective & informal=good/panacea. Depends on context #lrnchat
8:56:28 pm jaycross: Q1) Are purple fire extinguishers formal? Serendipitous? Structured? #lrnchat
8:56:32 pm sumeet_moghe: #thoughtworks is looking for #instructionaldesign pros in bangalore. exposure to #sociallearning is a huge plus. dm me for details #lrnchat
8:56:35 pm urbie: no good training comes without knowledge of 3 constraints: time, budget, quality; old joke: pick 2; bkm: integration after course #lrnchat
8:56:36 pm joe_deegan: Having made it to #lrnchat in weeks so just jumping in. What did I miss? #lrnchat
8:56:38 pm jsuzcampos: @roninchef @Quinnovator: Just read a great article about “apprenticeship” as the natural relationship for learning. Good read. #lrnchat
8:56:41 pm SueSchnorr: Informal learning is an excellent, compelling but often overlooked reinforcement to formal lrng programs #lrnchat
8:56:49 pm jdarling44: formal learning processes done well are quite effective when achieving the desired shift in capability can’t be left to chance. #lrnchat
8:57:05 pm sahana2802: RT @jaycross Q1) Are purple fire extinguishers formal? Serendipitous? Structured? #lrnchat🙂
8:57:13 pm joe_deegan: Formal is what SME’s always have in mind. #lrnchat
8:57:17 pm Ginaschreck: @minutebio Soft skills can also effectively be delivered in virtual world enviro- very much like real classroom -IF DONE RIGHT🙂 #lrnchat
8:57:20 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) Formal can also include soc media too — “official” video, audio, blogs, FAQ’s and wiki posts are often designed & structured #lrnchat
8:57:24 pm marciamarcia: Formality can hang up (or help) learning, but phrase “formal learning” makes no sense. Whole body learns. #lrnchat
8:57:26 pm kelly_smith01: According to Rosenberg (Beyond Elearning) – 2 – 5% of workers time is in formal learning (2006) #lrnchat
8:57:28 pm tmiket: @JaneBozarth replace agencies with departments and you’ve got us nailed #lrnchat
8:57:32 pm JaneBozarth: Silos in big orgs, and all that, you know. #lrnchat
8:57:38 pm jadekaz: @roninchef @kelly_smith01) I used to be sheepish that we never put our stuff on the inhouse LMS. Now it’s a point of pride. #lrnchat
8:57:45 pm jaycross: “exposure to #sociallearning is a huge plus. dm me for details” Requests come at the end, dude. #lrnchat
8:58:01 pm urbie: formal: legislated [compliance] training regardless of venue/media #lrnchat
8:58:10 pm LVSConsulting: Hi all – coming late to #lrnchat – will try to catch up…
8:58:16 pm jsuzcampos: RT @tmiket: I think formal lrng can be self-selected <<yes, agree ~ anyone enrolled in school has selected a formal learning path. #lrnchat
8:58:18 pm Ginaschreck: RT @kelly_smith01: According to Rosenberg (Beyond Elearning) – 2 – 5% of workers time is in formal learning (2006) #lrnchat
8:58:21 pm simbeckhampson: @JaneBozarth Was reading that too this week. #lrnchat
8:58:22 pm sahana2802: RT @dwilkinsnh Q1Formal can also include SoMe too: “official” video, audio, blogs, FAQ’s, wiki posts r often designed & structured #lrnchat
8:58:26 pm reward75: that’s funny, today I taught in khakis @Spydeesense formal learning wears a suit & tie #lrnchat
8:58:31 pm mpetersell: RT @joe_deegan: Formal is what SMEs always have in mind. – because they haven’t seen effective alternatives #lrnchat
8:58:31 pm sanchezjb: RT @moehlert #lrnchat Maybe start off w/reflection & prayer for those who struggle 4 the most basic thing-life-in Haiti tonight < Well said.
8:58:33 pm joe_deegan: Informal helps learners digest the formal #lrnchat
8:58:35 pm kelly_smith01: RT @urbie: formal: legislated [compliance] training regardless of venue/media #lrnchat
8:58:35 pm mizrik: RT @bernardaHaines6: Q1) Again, it’s wrong to think formal=bad/ineffective & informal=good/panacea. Depends on context #lrnchat
8:58:38 pm Quinnovator: @jsuzcampos love Collins/Brown’s Cognitive Apprenticeship as a learning model #lrnchat
8:58:44 pm urbie: informal learning: post-engagement (course) integration with peers, supes, day-to-day experience #lrnchat
8:58:50 pm minutebio: RT @Ginaschreck: @minutebio Soft skills can effectively delivered n virtual world enviro-like real classrmIF DONE RIGHT /& $ to dev #lrnchat
8:58:54 pm JaneBozarth: @simbeckhampson sorry reading what? #lrnchat
8:59:03 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @jsuzcampos: RT @tmiket: I think formal lrng can be self-selected <<yes, agree ~ enrolled in school = formal learning path. #lrnchat
8:59:06 pm jkunrein: @JaneBozarth LOL you have my current fear pegged… releasing a new CBT soon with stock photos that don’t show our *actual* rooms #lrnchat
8:59:10 pm moehlert: @joe_deegan All the good stuff😉 #lrnchat
8:59:12 pm jaycross: RT @joe_deegan: Informal helps learners digest the formal #lrnchat
8:59:14 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @joe_deegan: Informal helps learners digest the formal #lrnchat
8:59:27 pm JaneBozarth: Likewise RT @Quinnovator: @jsuzcampos love Collins/Brown’s Cognitive Apprenticeship as a learning model #lrnchat
8:59:36 pm moehlert: @joe_deegan And yet ironically, NOT how THEY learn😉 #lrnchat
8:59:37 pm sahana2802: RT @kelly_smith01 According to Rosenberg (Beyond Elearning): 2 – 5% of workers time is in formal learning (2006) #lrnchat
8:59:54 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator @jsuzcampos also see Lave & Lave/Wenger on apprenticeship #lrnchat
8:59:56 pm jsuzcampos: @Quinnovator i work a LOT with labor unions in which the apprenticeship model is valued. will check out collins/brown, thank you! #lrnchat
9:00:07 pm joe_deegan: @moehlert I’m sure you’ve got some pearls left in ya #lrnchat
9:00:12 pm JaneBozarth: “Can you hire Streep back to do video with purple fire extinguishers instead of red?” #lrnchat
9:00:14 pm janet_frg: RT @joe_deegan: Formal is what SME’s always have in mind. #lrnchat — Really? Always? Not in my experience.
9:00:24 pm urbie: sometimes formal/informal depends on who’s building the course: experienced ID or SME #lrnchat
9:00:24 pm sahana2802: RT @Quinnovator @jsuzcampos love “Collins/Brown’s Cognitive Apprenticeship” as a learning model #lrnchat
9:00:29 pm SueSchnorr: RT @JoanVinallCox: RT @joe_deegan: Informal helps learners digest the formal #lrnchat
9:00:32 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh agreed, can design formal social learning (collaborative design projects; discussion questions, etc) #lrnchat
9:00:33 pm Ginaschreck: formal learning can be just as good as informal if planned-executed & measured- it jsut takes SOOO long-usually needs chnge faster #lrnchat
9:00:39 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) I also think that soc learning benefits from requires approval workflows, official content, & posts by recognized experts. #lrnchat
9:00:48 pm mpetersell: Blended Learning Old definition: ILT + elearning; New Definition Formal +Informal #lrnchat
9:00:51 pm jadekaz: @joe_deegan And managers. And directors. Even students expect formal. #lrnchat
9:00:55 pm JaneBozarth: We need custom fire extinguisher video. Fire is a different element in our agency. #lrnchat
9:00:58 pm everyselearning: @kelly_smith01 Id like to know why -point of pride not to put on LMS. does that make it less formal and thats a good thing? #lrnchat
9:01:01 pm roninchef: @jsuzcampos @Quinnovator The interview with the author of Shop Class as Soulcraft was in the CBC Spark podcast 97. Good listen. #lrnchat
9:01:02 pm mizrik: RT @reward75: that’s funny, today I taught in khakis @Spydeesense formal learning wears a suit & tie #lrnchat / grey jeans for me!
9:01:03 pm jsuzcampos: RT @joe_deegan: Informal helps learners digest the formal #lrnchat
9:01:20 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) Informal learning sources like information repositories must be identified and have an access portal to learners #lrnchat
9:01:59 pm britz: RT @jsuzcampos: RT @joe_deegan: Informal helps learners digest the formal…Informal as an enzyme🙂 #lrnchat
9:01:59 pm jaycross: I want Scarlet Johanson with my red fire extinguishers. #lrnchat
9:02:05 pm joe_deegan: @janet_frg Well, maybe always is too strong a word but I am used to requests for page turners and lectures. #lrnchat
9:02:07 pm tmiket: @kelly_smith01 Identified or findable? #lrnchat
9:02:29 pm kelly_smith01: Informal learning could help learners put formal learning into a real world, real time context #lrnchat
9:02:34 pm joe_deegan: RT @mpetersell: Blended Learning Old definition: ILT + elearning; New Definition Formal +Informal #lrnchat
9:02:57 pm Spydeesense: @mpetersell I still get requests for “distance learning” – makes me think of self-addressed stamped envelopes #lrnchat
9:03:00 pm mizrik: #lrnchat Q1 – mainly teach kids, but use formal to lay foundation-rules, processes, encourage thinking; allow informal after mastery
9:03:10 pm sumeet_moghe: @kelly_smith01 i agree. having a single entry point is essential to any application infrastructure #lrnchat
9:03:18 pm jadekaz: Q2) Informal learning sources like information repositories must be identified and have an access portal to learners #lrnchat @kelly_smith01
9:03:20 pm Spydeesense: @minutebio Initial rollout of soft skills via F2F but what’s the curriculum for practice after? Lots of $ 2 continue that F2F #lrnchat
9:03:32 pm moehlert: RT @joe_deegan: RT @mpetersell: Blended Learning Old definition: ILT + elearning; New Definition Formal +Informal #lrnchat
9:03:37 pm jsuzcampos: RT @britz: RT @jsuzcampos: RT @joe_deegan: INFORMAL learning is the ENZYME that helps learners digest forma learning … #lrnchat
9:03:42 pm littleasklab: Agree RT @dwilkinsnh: Q1) I also think that soc learning benefits from … official content, & posts by recognized experts. #lrnchat
9:03:45 pm mpetersell: RT @kelly_smith01: Informal learning could help learners put formal learning into a real world, real time context #lrnchat
9:03:54 pm ShaSha16: RT @mpetersell Blended Learning Old definition: ILT + elearning; New Definition Formal +Informal #lrnchat
9:04:09 pm mpetersell: @Spydeesense We call it the virtual classroom in my neck of the woods #lrnchat
9:04:16 pm sahana2802: Cognitive apprenticeship: Masters of a skill fail consider the implicit processes involved in complex skills whn teaching novices #lrnchat
9:04:22 pm kelly_smith01: @tmiket Findable most important – but nice to have it in a place (as book in a library with an index or serach tool) #lrnchat
9:04:23 pm KoreenOlbrish: Or design all lrning to do this:) RT @kelly_smith01: Informal learning could put formal learning in real world, real time context #lrnchat
9:04:26 pm jaycross: RT @kelly_smith01: Informal learning could help learners put formal learning… | AGAIN, all learning is part formal, part informal #lrnchat
9:04:37 pm tmiket: @sumeet_moghe I think multiple entry points are ok as long as the info is findable, discoverable no? #lrnchat
9:04:43 pm jadekaz: RT Informal helps learners digest the formal #lrnchat (via @joe_deegan)
9:04:55 pm sahana2802: RT @joe_deegan: RT @mpetersell: Blended Learning Old definition: ILT + elearning; New Definition Formal +Informal #lrnchat
9:05:23 pm minutebio: RT @Spydeesense: Initial rollout of sft sklls via F2F but wht’s curriculum 4 practice after? Lots of $ 2 cont that F2F//Blended #lrnchat
9:05:29 pm SueSchnorr: Informal learning is an excellent and inexpensive reinforcement to ILT. Why is it overlooked? #lrnchat
9:05:33 pm britz: Q2 – does access portal then formalize? #lrnchat
9:05:36 pm kelly_smith01: @jaycross Point taken (informal/formal( #lrnchat
9:05:41 pm tmiket: @kelly_smith01 Agreed re: index but I don’t always know what to look for in the index #lrnchat
9:05:54 pm simbeckhampson: @jaycross So its about find the blend? #lrnchat
9:05:54 pm JaneBozarth: Things less-structured orgs often don’t define as “learning” #lrnchat
9:05:57 pm urbie: job-aids: informal when they are used day-to-day; they’re formal when they adorn a toolbox that’s never opened; learning is using #lrnchat
9:05:58 pm Spydeesense: @mizrik @reward75 Y’all are practicing Gap formal learning (I know there’s “analysis” in there somewhere) #lrnchat
9:06:14 pm littleasklab: Beginning to see a mash-up w/ formal/informal, like back channel driving presentations while they’re being delivered, etc. #lrnchat
9:06:16 pm jdarling44: How would you characterize the learning process required to master the piano. (lessons, practice, recitals..) – formal or informal? #lrnchat
9:06:22 pm JaneBozarth: What percentage of your management defines “learning” as we are defining it here? #lrnchat
9:06:24 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) Scrolling like mad but can’t find Q2 ~ could someone please retweet? #lrnchat
9:06:24 pm jaycross: RT @SueSchnorr: Informal learning is an excellent and inexpensive reinforcement to ILT. Why is it overlooked? | WE were brainwashed #lrnchat
9:06:36 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth Things less-structured orgs often don’t define as “learning”? #lrnchat
9:06:51 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: Things less-structured orgs often don’t define as “learning” #lrnchat < nor problem-solving, yet is learning too
9:06:56 pm JaneBozarth: Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:07:00 pm minutebio: RT @jsuzcampos: Q2) Scrolling like mad but cant find Q2 ~ could someone please retweet? #lrnchat
9:07:01 pm mizrik: RT @SueSchnorr: Informal learning is an excellent and inexpensive reinforcement to ILT. Why is it overlooked? #lrnchat / insecure suits?
9:07:04 pm tmiket: @JaneBozarth probably about .01% #lrnchat
9:07:12 pm roninchef: @jsuzcampos I was just doing the same🙂 #lrnchat
9:07:17 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:07:24 pm sumeet_moghe: @tmiket well in that case your entry point is search, don’t you think? #lrnchat
9:07:29 pm jaycross: RT @jdarling44: How would you characterize the learning process required to master the piano. – formal or informal? | BOTH #lrnchat
9:07:31 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:07:34 pm Spydeesense: @mpetersell I’ll take “virtual” as a descriptor any old day of the week #lrnchat
9:07:35 pm lrnchat: Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:07:36 pm JaneBozarth: Qs are set to upload automatically but doesn’t seem to be working. Someone remind me of next one about 9:25 & I’ll get it #lrnchat
9:07:36 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) Everytime our students leave the “formal classroom”, we are asking them to informally learn (by applying new lessons at work) #lrnchat
9:07:41 pm joe_deegan: Do I dare say ROI RT @SueSchnorr: Informal learning is an excellent and inexpensive reinforcement to ILT. Why is it overlooked? #lrnchat
9:07:49 pm mpetersell: RT @JaneBozarth: Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:07:50 pm kelly_smith01: @urbie Job aids are formal when part of a a flight pre-check for flight crew or other critical tasks for other professionals #lrnchat
9:08:05 pm dwilkinsnh: I’m actually finding the informal and formal language limiting — soc learning is both, ILT is ideally both, WBT s\b both… etc… #lrnchat
9:08:06 pm SueSchnorr: @ jaycross: Now that I ‘see the light’ after drinking the koolaid, clients are in awe! Let’s hope they give me some free rein #lrnchat
9:08:11 pm ShaSha16: Work in utilities where avg tenure is 17 yrs with org.Getting past formal ILT and moving to formal v informal is a huge challenge #lrnchat
9:08:14 pm espnguyen: RT @lrnchat: Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:08:22 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:08:23 pm jkunrein: not always, but usually. RT @janet_frg: RT @joe_deegan: Formal is what SMEs always have in mind. – Not in my experience. #lrnchat
9:08:26 pm minutebio: Q2) Understanding org culture, networking and colaborating. #lrnchat
9:08:26 pm tmiket: @sumeet_moghe Search is one way but I find lots of great stuff others reference w/o searching too #lrnchat
9:08:26 pm JaneBozarth: So my side Q: How do we help others develop broader understanding of “learning”? #lrnchat
9:08:26 pm sumeet_moghe: @mizrik its the ‘but how do you know they’re learning’ or ‘i can’t bet my budget on networking’ insecurity #lrnchat
9:08:28 pm J_Schulz: @jdarling44 You can’t master the piano as an either/or. #lrnchat
9:08:41 pm moehlert: @lrnchat Knowledge management. Learning Dept is product-centric. KM is result/process-centric – easier to add new/different things #lrnchat
9:08:50 pm mizrik: RT @JaneBozarth: Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:08:52 pm jaycross: RT @dwilkinsnh: I the informal and formal language limiting — soc learning is both, ILT is ideally both, WBT s both… etc… #lrnchat
9:08:52 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:08:55 pm Quinnovator: Q2: on a gig w/ aerospace company, formal couldn’t keep up with software changes, started using wiki, going well #lrnchat
9:08:59 pm ShaSha16: @SueSchnorr at the core it’s always the fear of the unknown #lrnchat
9:09:07 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @jsuzcampos: Q1) Everytime students leave the “formal classroom”, they informally learn (by applying new lessons at work) #lrnchat
9:09:12 pm simbeckhampson: RT @JaneBozarth: So my side Q: How do we help others develop broader understanding of “learning”? #lrnchat
9:09:16 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth So my side Q: How do we help others develop broader understanding of “learning”? #lrnchat
9:09:17 pm jaycross: RT @JaneBozarth: So my side Q: How do we help others develop broader understanding of “learning”? | GIANT ISSUE, that. #lrnchat
9:09:30 pm tmiket: RT @Quinnovator: Q2: on a gig w/ aerospace company, formal couldn’t keep up with software changes, started using wiki, going well #lrnchat
9:09:43 pm mpetersell: Q2 – We have set up informal communities on SharePoint; but because we set them up, does that make them formal? #lrnchat
9:09:45 pm Spydeesense: Q2 Thinking A Few Good Men “I don’t understand. How did you know where the mess hall was if it wasn’t in this book?” more of THAT #lrnchat
9:09:49 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Quinnovator: Q2: on a gig w/ aerospace company, formal couldnt keep up with software changes, started using wiki, going well #lrnchat
9:09:53 pm gminks: RT @dwilkinsnh: I the informal and formal language limiting — soc learning is both, ILT is ideally both, WBT s both… etc… #lrnchat
9:09:53 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) Encouraging less structured-learning? Any time my staff asks me a question, my response is, “What have you already tried? #lrnchat
9:09:57 pm J_Schulz: @jdarling44 Practicing scales with instructor – obviously formal, technical. “Feeling” chords and harmony … not so formal. #lrnchat
9:10:06 pm tmiket: @dwilkinsnh Does learning ever really stop? I don’t think so #lrnchat
9:10:06 pm urbie: @minutebio elearning: potentially best F2F experience; well designed: other F (facilitator) doesn’t get tired & lots of examples #lrnchat
9:10:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @marciamarcia Formality can hang up (or help) learning, but phrase “formal learning” makes no sense. Whole body learns. #lrnchat
9:10:26 pm espnguyen: Q2) Those that are doing less structured don’t really know it. They just do it. Which is fine I think #lrnchat
9:10:34 pm moehlert: RT @Spydeesense: Q2 Think A Few Good Men “I don’t understand. How did u know where mess hall was if it wasn’t in this book?” #lrnchat
9:10:43 pm ChristyATucker: Q2) Maybe less structured learning happens when people see it as “finding solutions to my problems” rather than “learning” #lrnchat
9:10:46 pm JaneBozarth: is it reasonable to expect lots of “informal learning’ if mgmt doesn’t share our idea of “learning”? #lrnchat
9:10:57 pm minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: Q2: , formal couldnt keep up with software changes, started using wiki, // cld work with compliance changes too #lrnchat
9:11:13 pm mizrik: @sumeet_moghe #lrnchat “we didn’t do it like that in college” can be + to that list too #lrnchat
9:11:15 pm ShaSha16: Re Q2 Peer coaching and researching answers with a web search #lrnchat
9:11:25 pm dwilkinsnh: Q2) My experience w/ training sales teams is that they really benefit from stories, peer best practices; consultants too. #lrnchat
9:11:26 pm gminks: structured gives you the shortest path to learn the basics… #lrnchat
9:11:27 pm britz: RT @JaneBozarth: is it reasonable to expect lots of “informal learning if mgmt doesnt share our idea of “learning”? #lrnchat
9:11:29 pm Quinnovator: lots of portal work with ScarePoint, supposedly getting more capability in 2010 version, some companies trying to use informally #lrnchat
9:11:35 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth: is it reasonable to expect lots of “informal learning’ if mgmt doesn’t share our idea of “learning”? #lrnchat
9:11:45 pm Quinnovator: @joe_deegan drink-bait #lrnchat
9:11:52 pm tmiket: @JaneBozarth Yes, informal learning will happen in spite of mgmt – just may be more difficult #lrnchat
9:11:52 pm gminks: but there is informal learning going on during structured #lrnchat
9:11:54 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Spydeesense:Thinking Few Good Men “I don’t understand. How did you know where the mess hall was if it wasn’t in this book?” #lrnchat
9:12:13 pm minutebio: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q2) My experience w/ training sales teams is tht thy really benefit from stories, peer best practices; consultants #lrnchat
9:12:17 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q2. informal learning happens all the time. sometimes effective, sometimes not…the expectation shouldn’t be for formal results #lrnchat
9:12:30 pm urbie: formal learning involves lots of reading/listening & butts-in-seats; informal learning [mostly] experiences & critical thinking #lrnchat
9:12:30 pm roninchef: Q2 My org’s various training departments tend to do informal training with each other. We reach out to each other often. #lrnchat
9:12:36 pm gminks: goal: capture informal to enhance the structured for all learners #lrnchat
9:12:39 pm mpetersell: Formal or Informal doesn’t matter to the learner; but the org wants metrics, ROI and they can see that more easily thru formal #lrnchat
9:12:42 pm kelly_smith01: Q2) a) where environment (software mentioned by Clark) changes or remote locations or where locations change (consulting/sales) #lrnchat
9:12:45 pm Quinnovator: RT @marciamarcia How effective is formal/structured teaching in the org? Q1 #lrnchat How effective is anything? It depends on 1000 factors.
9:13:07 pm reward75: Yes, it always happens in my trainings RT @gminks: but there is informal learning going on during structured #lrnchat
9:13:09 pm SueSchnorr: 4 sales training client- introducing “cyber water cooler” & “cyber- round table of best practices” could see light bulbs go off😉 #lrnchat
9:13:14 pm sahana2802: @JaneBozarth I guess not! Mgmnt will not enable/encourage such a setting.But Informal learning will continue coz it is so natural. #lrnchat
9:13:15 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) Learning can be searching for answers, trying new things, sharing knowledge ~ formal or informal, orgs die without it. #lrnchat
9:13:17 pm dwilkinsnh: @tmiket Agreed. Used to argue that I was building learning when I built help systems. I was instructor, then students practiced #lrnchat
9:13:17 pm mizrik: RT @Quinnovator: Q2: on a gig w/ aerospace company, formal couldn’t keep up with software changes, started using wiki, going well #lrnchat
9:13:29 pm JaneBozarth: @tmiket I’d like for it to start happening NOT in spite of… #lrnchat
9:13:50 pm Quinnovator: agree ‘formal’ label limiting, @marciamarcia @dwilkinsnh but useful to shake people up about their responsibility: ALL learning #lrnchat
9:14:01 pm tmiket: Absolutely!!! RT @JaneBozarth: @tmiket I’d like for it to start happening NOT in spite of… #lrnchat
9:14:21 pm reward75: IMO, informal learning often happens when you don’t realize that you’re learning, It can happen anytime #lrnchat
9:14:27 pm mpetersell: Formal or Informal: Julie Andrews teaching the Von Trap children to sing? #lrnchat
9:14:28 pm Spydeesense: @mpetersell Here here so the question is can informal learning (after being identified) be measured? #lrnchat
9:14:45 pm ValerieRoberts: Q2- College intern group receive coaching, OJT, use a blog, refer to Facebook page #Lrnchat
9:14:59 pm simbeckhampson: RT @reward75: IMO, informal learning often happens when you don’t realize that you’re learning, It can happen anytime #lrnchat
9:15:04 pm Quinnovator: guess my point is that orgs shouldn’t leave ‘informal’ to chance: be explicit, support, evangelize #lrnchat
9:15:14 pm urbie: Q2) informal learning: pictures and abstract representation; depth of knowledge gleaned depends on their need & critical-thinking #lrnchat
9:15:15 pm jsuzcampos: My former boss used to say, “If you ain’t learning, you’re dead.” (mad shout out to CAPT Karen Baetzel!!!!) #lrnchat
9:15:17 pm minutebio: RT @mpetersell: Formal or Informal: Julie Andrews teaching the Von Trap children to sing? //Formal #lrnchat
9:15:19 pm JaneBozarth: @reward75 Yes, adult learners don’t say, “Oh, I’m a learner.” “Oh, I’m learning now.” More in terms of problem solved? #lrnchat
9:15:30 pm ShaSha16: Agreed RT @gminks but there is informal learning going on during structured #lrnchat
9:15:30 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: guess my point is that orgs shouldnt leave informal to chance: be explicit, support, evangelize #lrnchat
9:15:34 pm J_Schulz: @mpetersell Yikes, metrics! Saw great post from @johndodds – ‘measurement often justifies action rather than proves effectiveness’ #lrnchat
9:15:35 pm SueSchnorr: @ urbie: btw, have you seen youtube ‘goodbye butts in chairs?’ formal learning involves lots of reading/listening butts-in-seats; #lrnchat
9:15:43 pm sahana2802: @JaneBozarth I know about orgs who keep the cafeteria closed during main working hrs as mgmnt feels ppl will “waste time” talking #lrnchat
9:15:53 pm britz: RT @lrnchat: Q2: Are there parts of the org that encourage less-structured learning? How? How effective is it? #lrnchat
9:15:55 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator But then doesn’t that make it ‘formal’? #lrnchat
9:15:57 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator Good point on language. It matters in how we position this stuff. #lrnchat
9:16:02 pm Quinnovator: RT @jsuzcampos: My former boss used to say, “If you ain’t learning, you’re dead.” (mad shout out to CAPT Karen Baetzel!!!!) #lrnchat YES!
9:16:17 pm sahana2802: RT @gminks RT @Quinnovator: guess my point is that orgs shouldn’t leave informal to chance: be explicit, support, evangelize #lrnchat | True
9:16:19 pm minutebio: RT @JaneBozarth: @reward75 Yes, adult learners dont say, “Oh, Im a learner.” “Oh, Im learning nw.” Mre n terms of problem solved? #lrnchat
9:16:25 pm mizrik: @JaneBozarth if mgmt’s mgmt doesn’t share idea of “learning” head butting can be expected #lrnchat
9:16:31 pm jdarling44: @Quinnovator are you saying that it is possible to have intentional and orchestrated informal learning in orgs? #lrnchat
9:16:47 pm Quinnovator: I say “it’s not about learning”, because it’s about performance (it’s not intellectual self-gratification!) #lrnchat
9:16:58 pm SueSchnorr: Q2 I’m finding that Sales organizations are open to informal learning #lrnchat
9:16:59 pm mpetersell: @J_Schulz but thats what they want metrics for; to determine if they should fund training next year; next project, etc. #lrnchat
9:17:09 pm moehlert: @gminks @Quinnovator Isn’t that called creating a culture?🙂 #lrnchat
9:17:21 pm jsuzcampos: RT @JaneBozart @reward75 Yes, adult learners don’t say, “Oh, I’m a learner.” “Oh, I’m learning now.” (actually, sometimes I DO!) #lrnchat
9:17:24 pm teachernz: RT @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator But then doesn’t that make it ‘formal’? #lrnchat | & institutional… not personal anymore
9:17:29 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @Quinnovator: I say “its not about learning”, because its about performance (its not intellectual self-gratification!) #lrnchat
9:17:32 pm janet_frg: informal learning going on here & now: kids about to learn what happens if they have pillow fight in living room while I’m on #lrnchat
9:17:32 pm urbie: @SueSchnorr formal elearning the LMS is the instructor, particularly when it mediates flow and access; flip-side: learner decides #lrnchat
9:17:35 pm espnguyen: When did you last take a course (structured)? Last year/month/week? When did you last use Google? Prolly today. #lrnchat
9:17:40 pm ChristyATucker: If we want intentional informal learning, do we need to do more to empower learners to find tools/resources themselves? #lrnchat
9:17:40 pm kelly_smith01: @mpetersell Informal students wear curtains as clothing Formal students stand in line #lrnchat (#VonTrapp)
9:17:40 pm joe_deegan: Must do’s RT @Quinnovator: guess my point is that orgs shouldnt leave informal to chance: be explicit, support, evangelize #lrnchat
9:17:41 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth @lancedublin calls it non-formal (I don’t like the term), you’re not formalizing it, just supporting (infrastructure) #lrnchat
9:18:05 pm bobATatsc: and from deep in left field, D.C. delivers. uhhh me too! RT @jaycross: I want Scarlett Johansson with my red fire extinguishers. #lrnchat
9:18:06 pm ShaSha16: @JaneBozarth problem I they see the informal as socializing no ‘learning’.Learning can only be done in a classroom,didn’t you know? #lrnchat
9:18:06 pm simbeckhampson: 1/3 formal learning 2/3 informal learning, add some seasoning and bake for 2 hours… #lrnchat
9:18:08 pm mizrik: @dwilkinsnh same goes w/my classroom re stories; i have yungins, but the lightbulb at connection is priceless #lrnchat
9:18:11 pm sumeet_moghe: RT @sahana2802: @Quinnovator: guess my point is that orgs shouldn’t leave informal to chance: b #lrnchat | is it ‘informal’ then?
9:18:31 pm KoreenOlbrish: Isn’t the point of informal that its learner driven? less about intention and more about absence of design? #lrnchat
9:18:47 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: @lancedublin calls it non-formal (I dont like the term), not formalizing it, just supporting (infrastructure) #lrnchat
9:18:51 pm sahana2802: RT @simbeckhampson RT @reward75: IMO, informal learning often happens when you don’t realize that you’re learning | Serendipitously #lrnchat
9:18:54 pm sumeet_moghe: isn’t informal learning more about the culture of a particular place over and above the tools and processes? #lrnchat
9:18:54 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert yes, but since there’s already a culture, it’s *changing* a culture (which is hard) topic of tomorrow’s blog post! #lrnchat
9:18:55 pm urbie: @jdarling44 formal is listening/watching/practicing in proximity to instructor; informal is practice at home with mom, dad & sis #lrnchat
9:18:59 pm J_Schulz: @mpetersell but they typically make the decision based on what? volume – number of people, hours, courses, etc. Not if biz performs #lrnchat
9:19:05 pm kelly_smith01: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Isnt the point of informal that its learner driven? less about intention and more about absence of design? #lrnchat
9:19:11 pm mpetersell: @kelly_smith01 The Von Traps march! #lrnchat
9:19:14 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) Want to support informal learning? Stop blocking Twitter and closing the cafeteria during business hours. #lrnchat
9:19:21 pm JaneBozarth: @ShaSha16 Yeah, that’s what I’m talking about. They define “learning” differently than we do here. #lrnchat
9:19:23 pm britz: Q2) the entire org just does it. Its unrecognized and unmeasured so not “seen” as valuable. no buy in to promote it #lrnchat
9:19:29 pm teachernz: @Quinnovator that’s right… learning for learnings sake disappeared in the 80s when all education had to lead to employment #lrnchat
9:19:30 pm gminks: informal may not happen without the correct environment. @quinnovator is right – it has to be supported (&fostered) #lrnchat
9:19:38 pm lisagualtieri: Informal learning through social media: twitter is unstructured, #lrnchat with planned questions is more structured
9:19:54 pm tmiket: @KoreenOlbrish some situations are more suited to learner-driven than others #lrnchat
9:19:55 pm JaneBozarth: So I’m curious about overarching Q: What is particular to LARGE organizations in our conversation? #lrnchat
9:20:08 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jsuzcampos: Q2) Want to support informal learning? Stop blocking Twitter and closing the cafeteria during business hours. #lrnchat
9:20:11 pm littleasklab: @JaneBozarth Did a gig for an aerospace manu who removed all suggestion boxes — “too many ideas” #lrnchat
9:20:13 pm JoelFoner: Is open group discussion time around a specific topic “informal learning”? #lrnchat
9:20:15 pm mpetersell: @J_Schulz agreed but that is a barrier to adoption of informal learning in orgs #lrnchat
9:20:19 pm Mary_a_Myers: joining very, very late…will just sit back and listen (read) #lrnchat
9:20:20 pm J_Schulz: @mpetersell there is generally little evidence of impact (because they don’t plan for it, look hard enough, whatever). #lrnchat
9:20:28 pm Spydeesense: @Quinnovator Blog on culture? Can’t wait! #lrnchat
9:20:30 pm roninchef: Starting to visualize an informal learning bear trap. Leave them where a potential leaner will pass and SNAP! Educated. #lrnchat
9:20:44 pm simbeckhampson: Beginning learners need more formal learning. They simply do not have the “bricks” for the “mortar” to bind to. #lrnchat
9:20:45 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jsuzcampos: Q2) Want to support informal learning? Stop blocking Twitter and closing the cafeteria during business hours. #lrnchat
9:20:59 pm sahana2802: @sumeet_moghe I guess not leaving to chance here means providing a setting and support that encourages interaction, collaboration #lrnchat
9:20:59 pm SueSchnorr: lots of informal learning happening on linkedin – Discussions, #lrnchat
9:20:59 pm jkunrein: @JaneBozarth my experience has been that the larger the organization, the higher %age of learning is formal (scheduled, designed) #lrnchat
9:21:15 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth Don’t really believe many actually BEHAVE like large orgs. My exp says it all comes down to the teams we operate in #lrnchat
9:21:20 pm Quinnovator: supporting informal is like providing crayons and paper, formal is like giving the printed picture #lrnchat
9:21:24 pm urbie: @sahana2802 keep it simple: comic books [pics and balloon text]; show samples of both & ask others to let their perspective decide #lrnchat
9:21:36 pm reward75: RT @sahana2802: RT @simbeckhampson… informal learning happens when you dont realize it | Serendipitously? | sometimes yes #lrnchat
9:21:43 pm jadekaz: Does “large” mean more likely to have “traditional” type of training, ie “formal” #lrnchat
9:21:47 pm sahana2802: RT @simbeckhampson Beginning learners need more formal learning. They simply do not have the “bricks” for the “mortar” to bind to. #lrnchat
9:22:01 pm mizrik: RT @SueSchnorr: Q2 I’m finding that Sales organizations are open to informal learning #lrnchat / ROI is actual sales vs ‘what did u learn’
9:22:03 pm joe_deegan: RT @Quinnovator: supporting informal is like providing crayons and paper, formal is like giving the printed picture #lrnchat
9:22:06 pm reward75: RT @simbeckhampson: Beginning learners need more formal learning. They simply do not have the “bricks” for the “mortar” to bind to. #lrnchat
9:22:10 pm JaneBozarth: RT @littleasklab Did a gig for an aerospace manu who removed all suggestion boxes — “too many ideas” #lrnchat
9:22:18 pm littleasklab: RT@JaneBozarth my experience has been that the larger the organization, the higher %age of learning is formal (scheduled, designed) #lrnchat
9:22:20 pm minutebio: RT @jkunrein: @JaneBozarth my exp has bn tht the larger the org, the higher %age of learning is formal // True, like my org #lrnchat
9:22:21 pm tmiket: @SueSchnorr Do you get lots of “noise” in LinkedIn discussions or am I just not in the right ones? #lrnchat
9:22:24 pm simbeckhampson: The amount of formal/informal learning taking place within an organization will vary on the experience level of the workforce. #lrnchat
9:22:28 pm gminks: in large orgs, lots of ppl have to row in the same direction, formal helps w that messaging – informal gives local context #lrnchat
9:22:28 pm britz: most orgs I know: Training=learning …unable to separate the vehicle from the destination. “Aint no trainin’,aint no learnin'” ugh #lrnchat
9:22:37 pm kelly_smith01: Consulted at a Big5 once. Most effective classroom was a breakroom with snacks and big screen TV (much informal success) #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:22:37 pm gwoodill: Arriving very late. Babysittting grandson. #lrnchat
9:22:38 pm urbie: @gminks social learning involves kinetic energy: moving about & sharing; formal learning not so much movement; informal lots #lrnchat
9:22:39 pm Spydeesense: @britz Want that & looking for ways to explain that to companies which can be tuff if you can’t take a yard stick to it #lrnchat
9:22:44 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish I don’t generally equate ‘learner driven’ with ‘absence of design’. Is this how you see it? (drink, BTW) #lrnchat
9:22:50 pm sahana2802: @simbeckhampson Formal to informal is on a spectrum; depending on context & need, one will take precedence for most effective lrng #lrnchat
9:22:52 pm mizrik: just had a pillow fight visual lol @janet_frg #lrnchat
9:23:11 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth more siloed in large orgs: separate training depts specialized: sales, operations, … with little sharing #lrnchat
9:23:15 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) The ROI on informal learning is like that of breathing: the return is that we survive to thrive another day. #lrnchat
9:23:23 pm mpetersell: Formal or Informal: Sales people sharing ideas about using marketing material on a wiki; they were asked to as part of training? #lrnchat
9:23:33 pm gminks: @urbie not sure I agree – informal can be texting during a lecture to explain concepts #lrnchat
9:23:34 pm tmiket: @gminks and often it’s challenging to get the to row in same direction regardless? #lrnchat
9:23:42 pm joe_deegan: Yes! RT @tmiket: @SueSchnorr Do you get lots of “noise” in LinkedIn discussions or am I just not in the right ones? #lrnchat
9:23:43 pm sumeet_moghe: RT @sahana2802: @sumeet_moghe I guess not leaving to chance here means providing a setting that encouragescollaboration #lrnchat |agreed
9:23:44 pm Mary_a_Myers: @gwoodill hi there…i just got here too.🙂 #lrnchat
9:23:58 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator Back to purple fire extinguishers #lrnchat
9:24:00 pm sahana2802: RT @joe_deegan RT @Quinnovator: supporting informal is providing crayons & paper, formal is like giving printed pictures #lrnchat love it!
9:24:16 pm simbeckhampson: At Motorola they calculated that each hour of formal learning spills over to four-hours of informal learning or a 4:1 ratio. #lrnchat
9:24:30 pm aphahorse: RT @Ginaschreck: I just posted a quick blog about how 2 participate in Twitter chats such as #lrnchat #agchat #gno etc http://Synapse3di.com
9:24:30 pm KoreenOlbrish: @J_Schulz i tend to think design is org driven; when learners initiate to get what they need, typically that’s not designed #lrnchat
9:24:33 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth more siloed in large orgs: separate training depts specialized: sales, operations, . w little sharing #lrnchat
9:24:47 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth savage flashbacks #lrnchat
9:24:48 pm joe_deegan: @mpetersell I’ve been telling my execs that’s informal. Structured idea sharing online. #lrnchat
9:24:48 pm JaneBozarth: Hmmm. So orgs large enough to justify training dept then ends up delivering worse learning? #lrnchat
9:24:48 pm mizrik: RT @jadekaz: Does “large” mean more likely to have “traditional” type of training, ie “formal” #lrnchat
9:24:51 pm TrainingTsar: RT @jsuzcampos: Q2) The ROI on informal learning is like that of breathing: the return is that we survive to thrive another day. #lrnchat
9:24:52 pm urbie: @gminks doesn’t this depend on learning style? when i learned hop-scotch structure got in the way; ditto for soft-skills; let me do #lrnchat
9:25:00 pm sahana2802: @Quinnovator Which probably is why too much of formal, top driven “learning” can kill innovation, creativity, and even the spirit. #lrnchat
9:25:11 pm gminks: @tmiket well yeah🙂 #lrnchat
9:25:11 pm tmiket: @simbeckhampson Curious how they calculated that @ motorola? #lrnchat
9:25:14 pm Spydeesense: @mpetersell I’d wager formal since it’s tracked & required #lrnchat
9:25:17 pm mpetersell: RT @Quinnovator: supporting informal is providing crayons & paper, formal is like giving printed pictures #lrnchat ! #lrnchat
9:25:35 pm littleasklab: @KoreenOlbrish I don’t generally equate ‘learner driven’ with ‘absence of design’. Is this how you see it? (drink, BTW) #lrnchat
9:25:36 pm Spydeesense: RT @jsuzcampos: Q2) The ROI on informal learning is like that of breathing: the return is that we survive to thrive another day. #lrnchat
9:25:41 pm JaneBozarth: Q3) What’s a big stakeholder problem you’d like to help solve? #lrnchat
9:25:45 pm gminks: @sahana2802 thats what I’m saying, calling all informal kinetic doesn’t seem right #lrnchat
9:25:47 pm simbeckhampson: @gminks there is that word again silo…where did I read that this week… #lrnchat
9:25:52 pm kelly_smith01: RT @simbeckhampson: Motorola calculated that each hour of formal learning spills over to 4-hours of informal a 4:1 ratio. #lrnchat
9:26:00 pm tmiket: @JaneBozarth Training depts in large orgs are farther removed from where the knowledge is applied #lrnchat
9:26:05 pm ShaSha16: RT@britz most orgs I know:Training=learning..unable to separate the vehicle from the destination.”Aint no trainin’,aint no learnin’ #lrnchat
9:26:29 pm lrnchat: Q3) What’s a big stakeholder problem you’d like to help solve? #lrnchat
9:26:33 pm sahana2802: RT @gminks: @sahana2802 thats what I’m saying, calling all informal kinetic doesn’t seem right #lrnchat True; agree!
9:26:38 pm Quinnovator: RT @sahana2802: @Quinnovator Which is why too much formal, top driven “learning” kills innovation, creativity, and even the spirit. #lrnchat
9:26:42 pm urbie: @gminks add to your must have: model; population should see it practiced by drivers and decision makers #lrnchat
9:26:54 pm mpetersell: RT @lrnchat: Q3) Whats a big stakeholder problem youd like to help solve? #lrnchat
9:26:57 pm SueSchnorr: What do you think about this correlation informal learning/ learning about trends in your industry http://bit.ly/8DWDUM #lrnchat
9:27:02 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish Maybe design too strong a word – planned? I can design/plan the environment, the ecosystem for them to engage within #lrnchat
9:27:04 pm kelly_smith01: RT @tmiket: @JaneBozarth Training depts in large orgs are farther removed from where the knowledge is applied #lrnchat
9:27:05 pm gminks: not when its done right RT @tmiket: @JaneBozarth Training depts in large orgs farther removed from where the knowledge is applied #lrnchat
9:27:11 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q3) Whats a big stakeholder problem you’d like to help solve? #lrnchat
9:27:33 pm sahana2802: Am tweeting from Hootsuite and Twitter, checking tweets on Tweetdeck to keep up with the brilliant #lrnchat flow.🙂
9:27:41 pm Quinnovator: @sahana2802 if told how to do it, can’t see opps to improve. Need to know the goal, be empowered to get there in own way #lrnchat
9:27:42 pm gwoodill: Take issue with “Beginning learners need more formal learning” – who is a beginning learner? surely not any adult… #lrnchat
9:27:48 pm minutebio: RT @jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q3) Whats a big stakeholder problem youd like to help solve? #lrnchat
9:27:51 pm sahana2802: Rt @jkunrein RT @lrnchat: Q3) Whats a big stakeholder problem you’d like to help solve? #lrnchat
9:27:52 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What’s a big stakeholder problem you’d like to help solve? #lrnchat
9:27:58 pm Spydeesense: Q3 I’d like to not have any stakeholders #lrnchat
9:28:06 pm gminks: q3) capture informal so all learners can use it #lrnchat
9:28:06 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish But I can’t control how they may behave within it – what dots they choose to connect. #lrnchat
9:28:10 pm ShaSha16: RT @lrnchat Q3) What’s a big stakeholder problem you’d like to help solve? #lrnchat
9:28:15 pm simbeckhampson: @tmiket EDC (Cofer, 2000) Two-year study funded by the US Department of Labor and the Pew Charitable Trusts. #lrnchat
9:28:19 pm moehlert: @Spydeesense Too late. #lrnchat
9:28:22 pm jadekaz: Q3: New employee time to proficiency. Hard to say you “solved” though – hard to even prove cause/effect. Other factors involved. #lrnchat
9:28:24 pm joe_deegan: @sahana2802 No Tweetchat in the mix? #lrnchat
9:28:44 pm jsuzcampos: Q3) If learner= stakeholder, I would like to remove barriers to meaningful learning. “Let’s blow up the training department” #lrnchat
9:28:48 pm ShaSha16: LMFAO RT @Spydeesense Q3 I’d like to not have any stakeholders #lrnchat
9:28:59 pm kkapp: Q3 executives think everyone learning like them, informally & effortlessly so they think they don’t need trn #lrnchat
9:29:01 pm jsuzcampos: I think that @Quinnovator coined that phrase … #lrnchat
9:29:05 pm urbie: Q3) stakeholder problem.. remind they were once novices; time, effort, & errors = proficiency, knowledge & critical thinking #lrnchat
9:29:11 pm Quinnovator: Q3: convince execs that learning unit needs to shift from ‘training’ to org-wide learning infrastructure: in/formal #lrnchat
9:29:18 pm jkunrein: Q3) sometimes i’d like to help them see the big picture (back to the fire extinguishers…) #lrnchat
9:29:20 pm sahana2802: RT @Quinnovator @sahana2802 if told how to do it,can’t see opps to improve.Need to know goal, be empowered to get there in own way #lrnchat
9:29:26 pm SueSchnorr: ps, full disclosure, i posted that on my blog — learning about your industry thru informal learning #lrnchat http://bit.ly/8DWDUM
9:29:38 pm KoreenOlbrish: hehe RT @Spydeesense: Q3 Id like to not have any stakeholders #lrnchat
9:29:45 pm J_Schulz: @mpetersell I think that’s a cultural issue though. Trying to apply classic ROI models to informal will kill most projects. #lrnchat
9:29:48 pm sahana2802: RT @kkapp: Q3 executives think everyone learning like them, informally & effortlessly so they think they don’t need trn #lrnchat
9:29:49 pm JaneBozarth: @moehlert I have high hopes that SoMe can help, but, well, fingers crossed on that.#lrnchat
9:29:50 pm britz: RT @Quinnovator: Q3: convince execs that learning unit needs to shift from training to org-wide learning infrastructure: in/formal #lrnchat
9:29:52 pm gwoodill: We have an assumption that learning always has a positive direction. What about learning to cheat – do we need more of that? #lrnchat
9:29:59 pm kelly_smith01: Q3) There are stakeholders, there are those thinking of themselves as stakeholders, the issue is which is which #lrnchat
9:30:21 pm sahana2802: @joe_deegan Not yet!🙂 will probably get there soon…:) #lrnchat
9:30:23 pm tmiket: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What’s a big stakeholder problem you’d like to help solve? #lrnchat
9:30:35 pm littleasklab: @KoreenOlbrish RE: the ecosystem Agree including designing an engagement strategy to bring folks into the ecosystem #lrnchat
9:30:41 pm SueSchnorr: Can’t live with ’em/ Can’t live w/o ’em! KoreenOlbrish: hehe RT @Spydeesense: Q3 Id like to not have any stakeholders #lrnchat
9:30:42 pm kkapp: RT @KoreenOlbrish: hehe RT @Spydeesense: Q3 Id like to not have any stakeholders #lrnchat
9:30:54 pm mpetersell: Q3 – Many business needs to be met; Always looking for the “learning component” of a business issue to see how we can help #lrnchat
9:31:08 pm britz: Q3) convince execs that training is not the only (or even best) way to improve organizational effectiveness #lrnchat
9:31:11 pm Spydeesense: Q3 But srsly finding a way to paint the picture of a solution & exhibit those pieces more effectively throughout development #lrnchat
9:31:16 pm kkapp: Nice RT KoreenOlbrish hehe RT @Spydeesense: Q3 Id like to not have any stakeholders #lrnchat
9:31:16 pm rdeis: RT @jsuzcampos The ROI on informal learning is like that of breathing: the return is that we survive to thrive another day. #lrnchat
9:31:16 pm urbie: @janet_frg that’s formal learning – someone has to demo/model/describe; informal is taking what is known and applying it #lrnchat
9:31:24 pm minutebio: Q3) So often we forget customers are stakeholders too. Untrained staff results in “pissed off” customers #lrnchat
9:31:37 pm KevinDJones: 3) Solve: That everything is a training problem. It isn’t – too often it is a management problem. #lrnchat
9:31:39 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth: @moehlert I have high hopes that SoMe can help, but, well, fingers crossed on that.#lrnchat
9:31:41 pm moehlert: RT @rdeis: #yam The ROI on informal learning is like that of breathing: the return is that we survive to thrive another day. #lrnchat
9:31:43 pm simbeckhampson: Q3 Time to participate, to build trust, to learn, to resolve disputes, to create solutions #lrnchat
9:31:45 pm mizrik: RT @kelly_smith01: Q3) There are stakeholders, there are those thinking of themselves as stakeholders, the issue is which is which #lrnchat
9:31:54 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator Something that’s been working for me lately — the scale issue: wikipedia vs Brittanica kind of arguments #lrnchat
9:31:57 pm tmiket: Q3 Learning seen as necessary evil instead of valuable opportunity #lrnchat
9:32:02 pm ChristyATucker: Q3) Stakeholder problem I’d like to help solve: coordinating all the moving pieces for a year-long training program #lrnchat
9:32:04 pm J_Schulz: @Spydeesense LOL – Nice CYA #lrnchat
9:32:04 pm kelly_smith01: RT @minutebio: Q3) So often we forget customers are stakeholders too. Untrained staff results in “pissed off” customers #lrnchat
9:32:14 pm SueSchnorr: Is there a way to stop my apostrophe’s from going berserk when I post? #lrnchat
9:32:18 pm gwoodill: Does stakeholder = shareholder? If the business objectives are supreme, it would seem to be that way. #lrnchat
9:32:31 pm Quinnovator: RT @Spydeesense: Q3 Id like to not have any stakeholders #lrnchat <actually *like* stakeholders, otherwise meaningless
9:32:35 pm sahana2802: RT @ChristyATucker Q3 Stakeholder problem I’d like to help solve:coordinating all moving pieces for a year-long training program #lrnchat
9:32:40 pm mizrik: RT @minutebio: Q3) So often we forget customers are stakeholders too. Untrained staff results in “pissed off” customers #lrnchat
9:32:58 pm ShaSha16: Re Q3: would love to be able to help with collaboration and comms within org #lrnchat
9:33:16 pm JaneBozarth: Anyone else notice how easy it is to misread “siloed” for “soiled”? Freudian? #lrnchat
9:33:42 pm simbeckhampson: RT @mizrik: RT @minutebio: Q3) So often we forget customers are stakeholders too. Untrained staff results in “pissed off” customers #lrnchat
9:33:44 pm jdarling44: Supporting my Training professional colleagues in having the courage to “Walk Away” from no win projects. #lrnchat
9:33:46 pm Quinnovator: @gwoodill define ‘cheat’😉 lots of good sense relative to school (use resources, collaborate), but not ‘steal IP’ or $$ #lrnchat
9:33:51 pm reward75: Q3 getting people (execs, mngrs, learners) to see benefit of sharing/keeping info up-to-date, then less training is needed #lrnchat
9:34:02 pm SueSchnorr: RT @JaneBozarth: Anyone else notice how easy it is to misread “siloed” for “soiled”? Freudian? #lrnchat
9:34:05 pm littleasklab: What is the position of stakeholder – neutral, pro, negative? Who influences them? Who are ALL the players? #lrnchat
9:34:08 pm sahana2802: RT @moehlert RT @rdeis: #yam ROI on informal learning is like breathing: the return is that we survive to thrive another day. #lrnchat
9:34:11 pm britz: Q3) convince brass that SM are just tools …and not a tools of the devil that the Marketing dept must “deal” with #lrnchat
9:34:13 pm JaneBozarth: RT @minutebio: Q3) So often we forget customers are stakeholders too. Untrained staff results in “pissed off” customers #lrnchat
9:34:15 pm marciamarcia: Ah for the day each of us recognize we are all stakeholders in our organization’s success. Learning is key. #lrnchat
9:34:33 pm moehlert: @Spydeesense I WANT stakeholders. I want to convince them, have them on my side. Remember: God Favors Large Batallions-Napoleon #lrnchat
9:34:38 pm jadekaz: RT @jdarling44: Supporting my Training professional colleagues in having the courage to “Walk Away” from no win projects. #lrnchat
9:34:41 pm littleasklab: RT @jdarling44: Supporting my Training professional colleagues in having the courage to “Walk Away from no win projects. #lrnchat
9:34:44 pm dwilkinsnh: Agree that ROI of informal is existence, but we should still look to quantify, link to biz drivers; ROI is language of execs. #lrnchat
9:34:46 pm urbie: @minutebio consider the converse: untrained learners; results of our training efforts guide customer in how to do business with us #lrnchat
9:34:51 pm simbeckhampson: RT @marciamarcia: Ah for the day each of us recognize we are all stakeholders in our organization’s success. Learning is key. #lrnchat
9:34:52 pm gminks: RT @marciamarcia: Ah for the day each of us recognize we are all stakeholders in our organizations success. Learning is key. #lrnchat
9:34:56 pm ChristyATucker: Q3) another problem I’d like to solve: figuring out who has the information we need to get things done #lrnchat
9:34:56 pm janet_frg: Q3: fear is an issue for some stakeholders. As in: fear that if there are not measurable results, their jobs may be on the line. #lrnchat
9:34:57 pm reward75: RT @marciamarcia: Ah for the day each of us recognize we are all stakeholders in our organizations success. Learning is key. #lrnchat
9:35:05 pm kelly_smith01: Q3) Get a link of training (performance) results on Exec dashboard – show how results track (if you can) #lrnchat
9:35:20 pm roninchef: Q3 Discourage the stake holder from wanting to cram every ounce of data into one training session. That is always a problem. #lrnchat
9:35:30 pm littleasklab: RT @marciamarcia: Ah for the day each of us recognize we are all stakeholders in our organization’s success. Learning is key. #lrnchat
9:35:32 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jdarling44: Supporting my Training professional colleagues in having the courage to “Walk Away from no win projects. #lrnchat
9:35:50 pm sahana2802: “ROI” of informal learning: enables us to “adapt” & change at a speed required in 21st C to survive–personally and professionally #lrnchat
9:36:07 pm Quinnovator: RT @britz: Q3) convince brass that SM are just tools …and not a tools of the devil that the Marketing dept must “deal” with #lrnchat
9:36:08 pm simbeckhampson: Re-learning to learn in 2010 is necessary before going forward. Improves chances of success. #lrnchat
9:36:18 pm sumeet_moghe: RT @sahana2802: vi @rdeis: #yam ROI on informal learning is like breathing: the return is that we survive to thrive another day. #lrnchat
9:36:20 pm SueSchnorr: Q3 – I’d like to help stkhldrs get better view of internal networking as professional competency that has role in informal learning #lrnchat
9:36:40 pm jadekaz: @roninchef Cram everything in – in a one-time event! #lrnchat
9:36:47 pm sumeet_moghe: RT @sahana2802: “ROI” of informal learning: enables us to “adapt” & change at a speed required in 21st C #lrnchat
9:36:57 pm mpetersell: @sahana2802 how do you measure the ROI of informal? It would help us to get more traction on implementing SoMe tools #lrnchat
9:37:17 pm urbie: @marciamarcia stakeholder or determinant? stakeholder implies passivity; active engagement & modeling is what one wants of team #lrnchat
9:37:25 pm Quinnovator: think ROI (drink!) of informal is in ideas, problems-solved, rate of new products/service generation (beyond survive, thrive!) #lrnchat
9:37:29 pm jsuzcampos: RT @moehlert @Spydeesense I WANT stakeholders. Remember: God Favors Large Batallions – Napoleon also said “Deal Hope” (my fav) #lrnchat
9:37:30 pm gminks: RT @SueSchnorr: Q3 – Id like to help stkhldrs get better view of internal netwking as prof competency w role in informal learning #lrnchat
9:37:33 pm TPriddle15: RT @simbeckhampson: Re-learning to learn in 2010 is necessary before going forward. Improves chances of success. #lrnchat
9:37:36 pm roninchef: @jadekaz Like a ten pound sausage in a five pound casing. #lrnchat
9:38:04 pm gwoodill: @Quinnovator Wanted to point out that learning is always with a value and context. No learning in the abstract. #lrnchat
9:38:26 pm Quinnovator: RT @SueSchnorr: like to help stkhldrs get view of internal networking as professional competency that has role in informal learning #lrnchat
9:38:28 pm reward75: Don’t forget, learners are stakeholders too #lrnchat
9:38:30 pm simbeckhampson: @TPriddle15 Hi…Nice to see you here. #lrnchat
9:38:32 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Quinnovator: think ROI (drink!) of informal is in ideas, problems-solved, rate of new products/service generation #lrnchat
9:38:35 pm dwilkinsnh: Hard ROI measures for informal same as anything else: increased sales, decreased costs, greater efficiency and productivity etc… #lrnchat
9:38:46 pm tonnet: RT @gwoodill: @Quinnovator Wanted to point out that learning is always with a value and context. No learning in the abstract. #lrnchat
9:39:07 pm sumeet_moghe: @mpetersell DM Scott on ROI http://ow.ly/WF8F (fell off my chair laughing) #lrnchat
9:39:10 pm tmiket: RT @reward75: Don’t forget, learners are stakeholders too #lrnchat
9:39:11 pm J_Schulz: Q2: I want an ‘easy’ way to show stakeholders the system they operate within. To appreciate the effect they have on it. #lrnchat
9:39:12 pm minutebio: RT @sahana2802 how do u measure the ROI of informal? It wld hlp us 2 get traction on implementing SoMe//start w anecdotal evidence #lrnchat
9:39:13 pm moehlert: @mpetersell @sahana2802 What’s the ROI of carpet? Bathrooms? #lrnchat
9:39:18 pm gminks: RT @reward75: Dont forget, learners are stakeholders too #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm urbie: @simbeckhampson un-learning [forgetting] helps drive relearning; communicating change is formal learning form #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm SueSchnorr: trying to get this visual out of my mind!🙂 he he roninchef: @jadekaz Like a ten pound sausage in a five pound casing. #lrnchat
9:39:26 pm jaycross: RT @dwilkinsnh ROI measures for informal same as anything else: increased sales, decreased cost, efficiency and productivity etc… #lrnchat
9:39:53 pm jadekaz: Do you have to drink each time a “drink” is retweeted?!? #lrnchat
9:39:56 pm sumeet_moghe: RT @moehlert: @mpetersell @sahana2802 What’s the ROI of carpet? Bathrooms? #lrnchat |lol
9:40:03 pm sahana2802: @mpetersell Where we are stumped! Need to be able to show “numbers” to drive adoption of Inf lrng by mgmnt like tweeting & FB #lrnchat
9:40:12 pm gminks: RT @dwilkinsnh ROI measures for informal same as anything else: increased sales, decreased cost, efficiency and productivity etc… #lrnchat
9:40:41 pm rdeis: RT @marciamarcia Ah for the day each of us recognize we are all stakeholders in our organization’s success. Learning is key. #lrnchat
9:40:49 pm tmiket: Seems like the trick is how to tie the learning directly to increased sales, decrease cost, etc? #lrnchat
9:40:50 pm Spydeesense: RT @moehlert: @mpetersell @sahana2802 What’s the ROI of carpet? Bathrooms? #lrnchat
9:40:59 pm urbie: @jsuzcampos you want “enough” – Patton #lrnchat
9:41:24 pm dwilkinsnh: @jaycross posted a great video a few months back about Intel ROI from their wiki strategy, while not measured, it’s obviously huge #lrnchat
9:41:31 pm JaneBozarth: Y’all are cracking me up with the ROI talk. #lrnchat
9:41:34 pm simbeckhampson: Lovemarks. Community. Cult style brand loyalty. Collaboration. Process and Commitment. Management CHANGE. Better to start again! #lrnchat
9:41:58 pm mpetersell: @moehlert: Whats the ROI of carpet? Bathrooms?: They won’t get cut from the budget no matter what happens! #lrnchat
9:42:03 pm Spydeesense: @reward75 In the process learners r definitely I guess I always see stakeholders holding purse strings & yanking marionette strings #lrnchat
9:42:16 pm jmarrapodi: RT@gminks RT @reward75: Dont forget, learners are stakeholders too #lrnchat
9:42:16 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @JaneBozarth: Yall are cracking me up with the ROI talk. #lrnchat
9:42:27 pm sahana2802: RT @Spydeesense RT @moehlert: @mpetersell @sahana2802 What’s the ROI of carpet? Bathrooms? #lrnchat Somehow we find our way back to ROI🙂
9:42:27 pm simbeckhampson: RT @urbie: @simbeckhampson un-learning [forgetting] helps drive relearning; communicating change is formal learning form #lrnchat
9:42:36 pm SueSchnorr: is this on jay’s blog? @jaycross posted a great video few months back about Intel ROI from their wiki strategy, while not measured #lrnchat
9:42:37 pm britz: Much to gain by being in #lrnchat …one biggie – meeting folks who share my professional pains! I am not alone… #lrnchat
9:42:40 pm simbeckhampson: @urbie Thanks for that. #lrnchat
9:42:41 pm moehlert: @Spydeesense @sahana2802 @mpetersell I’m not kidding. Somebody defend it w hard numbers. #lrnchat
9:42:56 pm msulliv: my realtor could tell me if re-doing a room would inc. value by $xx. Do we have same rigor around soc learn? (I know, not yet.) #lrnchat
9:43:12 pm kelly_smith01: Is ROI a stakeholder? #lrnchat
9:43:22 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, DC area. Am late again, very late. Darn #lrnchat
9:43:33 pm JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but can’t wait.Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat
9:43:35 pm urbie: @sahana2802 transparency is what you want: put the data [raw tweets as well as metrics] where it can be seen by population #lrnchat
9:43:55 pm minutebio: RT @reward75: Dont forget, learners are stakeholders too // The MOST important, but they don’t approve budgets #lrnchat
9:43:55 pm gminks: @kasey428 darn it~ #lrnchat
9:44:12 pm kasey428: RT @reward75: Dont forget, learners are stakeholders too #lrnchat
9:44:14 pm gminks: RT @urbie: @sahana2802 transparency is what you want: put data [raw tweets as well as metrics] where it can be seen by population #lrnchat
9:44:16 pm kelly_smith01: RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but cant wait.Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat
9:44:16 pm rdeis: RT @sahana2802 “ROI” of informal learning enables us to adapt & change at speed required to survive personally & professionally. #lrnchat
9:44:20 pm ChristyATucker: LOL! RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but cant wait.Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat
9:44:32 pm cammybean: Hi #lrnchat. I’m sort of lurking while I multitask — designing a course for a large number of learners…
9:44:33 pm mpetersell: RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but cant wait.Formula for ROI of training; love it!!!! #lrnchat
9:44:41 pm dwilkinsnh: Ace saw full ROI in 6 months on a soc strategy; Cisco found $ billions in new markets; Best Buy $ millions by in-housing dev etc… #lrnchat
9:44:41 pm SueSchnorr: RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but can’t wait.Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat
9:44:43 pm Schnicker: ha RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but can’t wait.Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat
9:44:45 pm sahana2802: RT @moehlert: @Spydeesense @sahana2802 @mpetersell I’m not kidding. Somebody defend it w hard numbers. #lrnchat
9:44:47 pm mizrik: RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but can’t wait.Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat / LOVE IT
9:44:52 pm Mary_a_Myers: beauty RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but cant wait.Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat
9:44:53 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but can’t wait.Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat #yam
9:45:11 pm dwilkinsnh: @JaneBozarth You can pay us later for the set-up… ; ) #lrnchat
9:45:19 pm JaneBozarth: Yes, it will make Dave & me famous. He made me take out the unicorns, though. #lrnchat
9:45:21 pm jsuzcampos: With all this ROI (drink!) talk tonight, we are going to have one inebriated crowd of lrnchatters on our hands …. #lrnchat
9:45:30 pm sahana2802: @cammybean HI! Was missing you! Good to know you are reading the tweets.🙂 #lrnchat
9:45:34 pm minutebio: RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but cant wait.Formula for ROI of training// Fantastic! #lrnchat
9:45:38 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth you’re giving away the secrets! #lrnchat
9:45:41 pm gminks: if we are talking about large orgs, you *have* to think about ROI #lrnchat
9:45:47 pm sahana2802: RT @jsuzcampos: With all this ROI (drink!) talk tonight, we are going to have one inebriated crowd of lrnchatters on our hands …. #lrnchat
9:46:13 pm cammybean: @JaneBozarth Love the rainbows. #lrnchat
9:46:17 pm KoreenOlbrish: @cammybean nice new pic! #lrnchat
9:46:26 pm Schnicker: @janebozarth Looks like that’s going to be a hit :o) #lrnchat
9:46:27 pm kasey428: I am retro-fitting a WBT & lurking when I can. Hi @jsuzcampos #lrnchat
9:46:30 pm Spydeesense: Using it! RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 – Was saving this for blog post, but can’t wait.Formula for ROI of training #lrnchat
9:46:36 pm Quinnovator: @cammybean er, what’s the ROI of that? I can see the rainbows… #lrnchat
9:46:42 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth Need to save something for the next version. “Now with Unicorn power!” #lrnchat
9:46:43 pm jimstorer: @dwilkinsnh i don’t think this social stuff is going to amount to anything. #lrnchat #sarcasm
9:46:44 pm mpetersell: RT @gminks: if we are talking about large orgs, you *have* to think about ROI; if there is no return, there is no invest #lrnchat
9:46:53 pm wgcorbett: taste the rainbow of ROI #lrnchat
9:46:58 pm JaneBozarth: And you thought all I had was the purple fire extinguishers… #lrnchat
9:47:03 pm simbeckhampson: RT @cammybean: @JaneBozarth Love the rainbows. #lrnchat
9:47:08 pm kelly_smith01: @JaneBozarth Need a Power Point to fully understand ROI formula. Perhaps add unicorns squared #lrnchat
9:47:08 pm tmiket: @kasey428 retro fitting? #lrnchat
9:47:15 pm jsuzcampos: @kasey428 Hello ma’m and Happy New Year! #lrnchat
9:47:18 pm LearningSutra: RT @minutebio: RT @JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/y4nj1 Was saving this for blog post, but cant wait.Formula for ROI of training! #lrnchat
9:47:25 pm minutebio: RT @gminks: if we are talking about large orgs, you *have* to think about ROI // True. That’s what fat cat execs want to hear. #lrnchat
9:47:42 pm simbeckhampson: ride the rainbow #lrnchat
9:48:08 pm mizrik: RT @mpetersell: RT @gminks: if we r talking abt large orgs, you *have* to think abt ROI; if there is no return, there is no invest #lrnchat
9:48:10 pm jsuzcampos: @JaneBozarth do you also have yellow moons, orange stars, pink hearts, and green clovers? #lrnchat
9:48:12 pm tjmeister: I just want to know how ADDIE can fit in with SoMe to produce ROI for the PHM. (-that last one’s from Dilbert). #lrnchat #even
9:48:14 pm Quinnovator: RT @roninchef: @JaneBozarth Need to save something for the next version. “Now with Unicorn power!” #lrnchat
9:48:14 pm sahana2802: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @cammybean nice new pic! #lrnchat
9:48:49 pm Quinnovator: I think there’s something more than just liquor y’all are drinking: rainbows, unicorns, what’s next? #lrnchat
9:48:52 pm jdarling44: ROI is different for CFO’s than User’s of Informal learning tools. CFO’s want to see numbers, Users want to make their job easier. #lrnchat
9:49:04 pm littleasklab: @simbeckhampson “Lovemarks. Community. Cult style brand loyalty. Collaboration.” How do lovemarks work in the ROI formula? #lrnchat
9:49:13 pm urbie: @minutebio dehumanizing management is a sure-fire way to make learning more difficult #lrnchat
9:49:18 pm dwilkinsnh: @jimstorer LOL. Well if anyone would know Jim, it would be you… ; ) How’s the Community Roundtable going? #lrnchat
9:49:24 pm gwoodill: @minutebio See anti-ROI arguments in book on Defense Acquisition University. Anderson, Hardy and Leeson (2008) #lrnchat
9:49:30 pm kasey428: @simbeckhampson all this rainbow talk makes me wonder…somewhere over the rainbow #lrnchat
9:49:32 pm msulliv: #lrnchat Different perspective on ROI/metrics for start-ups. Eric Ries suggest start-ups measure learning http://bit.ly/52vSQB
9:49:43 pm sahana2802: @cammybean🙂 Good to have you and the rainbow is inspiring! That’s the ROI🙂 #lrnchat
9:49:48 pm simbeckhampson: ROInet is a yahoo group for evaluating and measuring learning #lrnchat
9:49:53 pm jdarling44: Execs vote with their wallet, Users vote by using the system(s) and talking it up. #lrnchat
9:49:54 pm gminks: RT @urbie: @minutebio dehumanizing management is a sure-fire way to make learning more difficult #lrnchat
9:49:59 pm Ginaschreck: @Quinnovator Rainbows unicorns and the toothfairy #lrnchat
9:50:10 pm kasey428: RT @tjmeister: I just want to know how ADDIE can fit in with SoMe to produce ROI for the PHM. (…last ones from Dilbert). #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:50:11 pm moehlert: @gminks Wouldn’t ROI be EVEN more critical in small org.s that have less to invest? #lrnchat
9:50:14 pm kelly_smith01: ROI is the 3-ton unicorn in the room #lrnchat
9:50:24 pm dwilkinsnh: Anyone looking to follow a super duper, real deal socal media / community guy? @jimstorer is the real deal. #lrnchat
9:50:25 pm everyselearning: you all still here? Sorry but the hot tub won. Did I miss anything? #lrnchat
9:50:40 pm sahana2802: Last tweet was from my Flock browser. I am a bit dizzy alt+tabbing btn different twitter platforms.🙂 #lrnchat love the flow.
9:50:42 pm gminks: true! RT @moehlert: @gminks Wouldnt ROI be EVEN more critical in small org.s that have less to invest? #lrnchat
9:50:44 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jdarling44: Execs vote with their wallet, Users vote by using the system(s) and talking it up. #lrnchat
9:50:46 pm SueSchnorr: @simbeckhampson is it an open group? join w/o invitation? #lrnchat
9:50:50 pm kasey428: Somewhere over the rainbow, way up high, somewhere the rainbow, there’s ROI #lrnchat
9:50:58 pm JaneBozarth: Oz, Narnia, ROI…secret magical places. Squeal! #lrnchat
9:51:05 pm sahana2802: RT @gminks: RT @urbie: @minutebio dehumanizing management is a sure-fire way to make learning more difficult #lrnchat
9:51:11 pm Spydeesense: @Quinnovator I’m guessing wolves & dragons hanging out #lrnchat
9:51:11 pm sahana2802: RT @simbeckhampson: ROInet is a yahoo group for evaluating and measuring learning #lrnchat
9:51:11 pm mpetersell: I’m a stakeholder; I’m part of management; I am “them” #lrnchat
9:51:22 pm minutebio: RT @urbie: @minutebio dehumanizing mgt is a sure-fire wy 2 make learning mre difficult// That’s alright I already put in my 2 weeks #lrnchat
9:51:29 pm reward75: Anyone know about IOB (impact on business)? #lrnchat
9:51:31 pm JaneBozarth: And don’t start with me. I’m not talking about shoes or tires or bottles of aspirin. ROI of training, indeed. #lrnchat
9:51:32 pm dwilkinsnh: @jdarling44 true enough on different needs, but not mutual exclusive right? #lrnchat
9:51:39 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator This is what else: http://bit.ly/8TTb5r #lrnchat
9:51:43 pm jsuzcampos: It’s been a stimulating evening with you all. Signing off from southern NH, somewhere over the rainbow next door to @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat
9:51:44 pm Quinnovator: and with that, we’ve come full circle back to flying monkeys! #lrnchat
9:51:55 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
9:51:58 pm mizrik: RT @Ginaschreck: @Quinnovator Rainbows unicorns and the toothfairy #lrnchat / if it’s the Dwayne Johnson toothfairy i’ll take it!
9:52:14 pm moehlert: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
9:52:15 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat <perfect timing
9:52:25 pm urbie: @tjmeister ARCS [http://bit.ly/QZWjM] is better suited to social media; [http://bit.ly/dHiMF] one-size-does-not-fit-all #lrnchat
9:52:42 pm minutebio: RT @kelly_smith01: RT @jdarling44: Execs vote with their wallet, Users vote by using the system(s) and talking it up. #lrnchat
9:52:50 pm JaneBozarth: @trib Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
9:52:53 pm sahana2802: RT @JaneBozarth: And don’t start with me. I’m not talking about shoes or tires or bottles of aspirin. ROI of training, indeed. #lrnchat
9:53:07 pm SueSchnorr: Anyone else have resources to share like ROInet yahoo/ for ROI -case studies? groups? etc? #lrnchat
9:53:08 pm dwilkinsnh: @jsuzcampos I’m with the lollypop guild… ; ) #lrnchat
9:53:09 pm KoreenOlbrish: i can’t believe we’ve resorted to summoning mythical creatures to solve our stakeholder issues🙂 #lrnchat
9:53:10 pm gwoodill: Gary Woodill, aka “grandpa”, in Toronto tonight. Brandon Hall Research. #lrnchat
9:53:41 pm lirons: #lrnchat “The gains come from transforming the business, not from tightening up on costs” http://bit.ly/176pJm
9:53:41 pm ChristyATucker: Qwrap: anyone have some good sources on Brinkerhoff Success Case Method evaluation? I want to do some informal learning myself #lrnchat
9:53:46 pm JaneBozarth: @trib I know. Dave made me take out the unicorns. #lrnchat
9:53:54 pm mpetersell: Mike from Connecticut; This group helps me just by being here! Latest from Many Ways to Learn: http://tinyurl.com/y92no83 #lrnchat
9:53:59 pm jdarling44: @dwilkinsnh Definitely not mutually exclusive. If you can show the CFO that people doing better using the system-no budget problem. #lrnchat
9:54:00 pm moehlert: @lrnchat Mark Oehlert here. Washington DC. Lemme know if ur gonna be in London for #LT10uk #lrnchat
9:54:01 pm Spydeesense: Smarcus Hswe, informal VP of Un-effing for wwwdotTandemdashLearningdotcom it’s been real & can’t wait to catch the transcript #lrnchat
9:54:02 pm cammybean: Cammy Bean. Designing learning for a large org *right now*. Clearly living in rainbow land. #lrnchat
9:54:07 pm gminks: Gina, Boston, slacker tonight cuz actually doing SoMe at work is surprisingly exhausting #lrnchat
9:54:11 pm reward75: Haven’t read it yet, but will – Why Impact On Business™ Is the New Measure of Corporate Learning. http://bit.ly/8pdJHa #lrnchat
9:54:14 pm JaneBozarth: PS It is available signed & suitable for framing. Hit me up. #lrnchat
9:54:16 pm Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers, Learning Consultant (in Toronto tonight), hungry for dinner and lurking on #lrnchat
9:54:16 pm jmarrapodi: I wonder w/ROI of training if we are just mashing a square peg to fit that round hole. Morphing a model meant for something else. #lrnchat
9:54:29 pm wgcorbett: I’d love some resources for applying Information Mapping #lrnchat
9:54:41 pm urbie: urbie delgado soon-to-be east coaster; ifthenmaybe.com; how to take what i learned & apply to a place where security is #1 #lrnchat
9:54:45 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, organizational learning improvement facilitator, consultant, speaker, author, blogger @ learnlets.com Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
9:54:50 pm sahana2802: Sahana from India, Pune. ID and hardcore #lrnchat fan | Leaving for office soon | Have introduced Twitter to team & many use it #lrnchat
9:55:00 pm britz: Mark Britz in ‘Cuse – until the 26th…anyone else headed to TechKnowledge in Vegas 1/27-29 #lrnchat
9:55:03 pm tmiket: Mythical creatures, purple fire extinguishers and lots of learning…#lrnchat at it’s finest
9:55:04 pm mizrik: RT @KoreenOlbrish: i can’t believe we’ve resorted to summoning mythical creatures to solve our stakeholder issues🙂 #lrnchat / may work!
9:55:07 pm jkunrein: @ChristyATucker maybe… studied this a semester or two ago… i’ll go digging. #lrnchat
9:55:09 pm littleasklab: Outstanding resource for designing CoP strategy: Wenger’s & White’s Digital Habitats-stewarding tech for communities. Just out. #lrnchat
9:55:10 pm Ginaschreck: Gina Schreck-Colorado slacker tonight- had family time half way through- I’ll catch the transcripts #lrnchat
9:55:16 pm moehlert: Look #lrnchat , go http://tinyurl.com/yf9958n & http://tinyurl.com/yk5or4l & http://tinyurl.com/y8qskzl & http://tinyurl.com/yc2z2t6 VOTE!!!
9:55:17 pm J_Schulz: @JaneBozarth I want one! Plz, plz, plz! #lrnchat
9:55:23 pm JaneBozarth: What @jmarrapodi said #lrnchat
9:55:31 pm minutebio: Jeff, also designing learning for a large corporation #lrnchat
9:55:47 pm mizrik: RT @wgcorbett: I’d love some resources for applying Information Mapping #lrnchat
9:55:48 pm dwilkinsnh: Getting some great feedback on the soc learning checklist. Would love to hear thoughts from the group. http://bit.ly/8KP5oQ #lrnchat
9:55:54 pm jmarrapodi: Jean Marrapodi, Learning Architect from Providence, RI #lrnchat
9:55:59 pm reward75: Regina Ward, NYC & Atl 2nite, learned you can’t lurk on lrnchat #lrnchat
9:56:02 pm JoanVinallCox: If you didn’t intro yourself, do you need to sign out? Joan Vinall-Cox, planning tomorrow’s podcasting class, & dipping in & out #lrnchat
9:56:04 pm J_Schulz: John – under a rainbow outside of Chicago. #lrnchat
9:56:19 pm KoreenOlbrish: Koreen Olbrish, just outside of Philly, a shy, demure, sophisticated wallflower who never has an opinion on learning #lrnchat
9:56:20 pm JaneBozarth: RDU, ID, Trainer, Author, Doctor o’ Learnin’ Stuff. Best known for Bozarth-Ferguson Formula for ROI #lrnchat
9:56:34 pm mizrik: @reward75 favorited for later; thanks for sharing #lrnchat
9:56:37 pm SueSchnorr: <– freelance instructional designer, blogger, facilitator….signing off in balmy Rochester, NY, where the high was in the 40s. #lrnchat
9:56:44 pm tmiket: @dwilkinsnh Yes, I’ve got the checklist with me now. Love it..using it for a mtg next week. Thanks! #lrnchat
9:56:46 pm loriwass1: lori wassenaar in montreal, fascinated, 1st time tweeter, phew! thnx all, nite #lrnchat
9:56:48 pm dwilkinsnh: David Wilkins, lover of lrnchat, unicorns *and* hard ROI numbers that I can sell to senior execs… ; ) Night all… #lrnchat
9:56:49 pm moehlert: #lrnchat I bet I got you all beat on the size of our respective large organizations.😉
9:56:52 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith, ISD Learning Consultant, South of Kansas #lrnchat
9:56:57 pm Schnicker: Nicole Fougere, blogger at Litmos (LMS) http://blog.litmos.com, living in Auckland, New Zealand (lurked tonight) #lrnchat
9:57:03 pm jkunrein: qwrap) judy unrein, instructional designer, learned today it’s been too long since my last #lrnchat
9:57:08 pm rdeis: @reward75 I downloaded a free whitepaper today about IOB. I’ll send link tomorrow. #lrnchat
9:57:17 pm Ginaschreck: Be sure to sign out incase there is an emergency we don’t want to think you are still in the building #lrnchat
9:57:20 pm bobATatsc: Bob Hess stumbling down the yellow brick road. @moehlert going to London, lucky dog! godspeed. Give my best to the Brits! #lrnchat
9:57:22 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Ha!😉 #lrnchat
9:57:41 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, DC area, performance consultant and I work too much. I will read the transcript tomorrow. #lrnchat
9:57:46 pm tmiket: Mike Taylor, learning developer in Ohio and #lrnchat junkie
9:57:51 pm reward75: @mizrik you’re welcome🙂 #lrnchat
9:57:51 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert oh not the “my org is bigger than yours” stuff again! Does size REALLY matter?🙂 #lrnchat
9:57:53 pm mizrik: Rikki, Atlanta, 1st timer Middle School Media/Tech teacher… nice to see not much changes once we grow up… nice & comfy Thanks #lrnchat
9:58:05 pm gminks: @moehlert vote for mine too plz! http://boston2010.e2conf.spigit.com/Idea/View?ideaid=442 #lrnchat
9:58:20 pm Quinnovator: thanks again all you wonderful #lrnchat tweeple, look forward to next week! ‘Til then, may you have rainbows and unicorns
9:58:32 pm moehlert: RT @gminks: @moehlert vote for mine too plz! http://boston2010.e2conf.spigit.com/Idea/View?ideaid=442 #lrnchat
9:58:39 pm bobATatsc: *Big Smile!*RT @KoreenOlbrish: just outside of Philly, a shy, demure, sophisticated wallflower who never has an opinion on learning #lrnchat
9:58:41 pm NancyWhite: @dwilkinsnh If you run across excellent convincing metrics, please tag whyweb2 (I know, it is more than that!) Thanks. #lrnchat
9:59:04 pm roninchef: Mason Masteka eLearning Dev in ME. Go read the first 2 parts of You Are Not a Gadget by J. Lanier for #lcbq Jan 26 8:30 ET. #lrnchat
9:59:12 pm dwilkinsnh: @tmiket Awesome. Would love to hear what worked and what you think we should change. Still a work in progress. #lrnchat
9:59:15 pm wgcorbett: thanks all for a great first #lrnchat
9:59:23 pm sahana2802: Thank you for a wonderful #lrnchat session all #lrnchat folks…:) signing off.
9:59:30 pm kelly_smith01: There’s no place like home, There’s no place like home,There’s no place like home,There’s no place like home #lrnchat
9:59:36 pm littleasklab: @NancyWhite What a great book! Thank you. Very helpful already for CoP learning design. #lrnchat
9:59:53 pm SueSchnorr: RT @gminks: @moehlert vote for mine too plz! http://boston2010.e2conf.spigit.com/Idea/View?ideaid=442 #lrnchat
10:00:07 pm lirons: #lrnchat Make sure you don’t plan for social learning so much that the social part is left out.
10:00:08 pm dwilkinsnh: @NancyWhite Will do; I have a good dozen already. #lrnchat
10:00:10 pm britz: @cammybean – cool, maybe this time we can grab that elusive beer we missed out on (i missed out on …) #lrnchat
10:00:11 pm JaneBozarth: Thanks to @dave_ferguson for suggesting the topic and Qs! #lrnchat
10:00:22 pm moehlert: RT @rotkapchen: RT @Brioneja Top CIOs Say Social Networks Now Drive Innovation http://bit.ly/8W9j5D by @joemckendrick #lrnchat
10:00:31 pm kasey428: @kelly_smith01 And you live in the land of the real rainbow…there’s no place like home. Did I see Toto? #lrnchat
10:00:38 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @moehlert: Look #lrnchat , go http://tinyurl.com/yf9958n & http://tinyurl.com/yk5or4l & http://tinyurl.com/y8qskzl & http://tinyurl.c
10:00:58 pm JaneBozarth: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls remember to submit Qs & theme ideas for upcoming chats at http://sn.im/lrnchat . See u next week!
10:01:32 pm Ginaschreck: thanks for the stimulating reading material tonight folks- now that I did the Wii EAT its time to go do the Wii fit workout! #lrnchat
10:02:08 pm roninchef: Gots to go. The dog needs watering. Good night everybody. #lrnchat
10:02:24 pm simbeckhampson: Good night #lrnchat. laptop power gone, on mobile. 4am here. in 3hrs daughter wants breakfast. thanks 4 sharing. this is learning ~ pure.
10:02:49 pm britz: Hope to see/meet some of you at #ASTD TechKnowledge at end of month. G’nite! #lrnchat
10:03:01 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls remember to submit Qs & theme ideas for upcoming chats at http://sn.im/lrnchat . See u next week!
10:04:36 pm NancyWhite: @dwilkinsnh I appreciate that. I’m finding that HOW we talk about this is as important as the data we provide! #lrnchat

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