Adhoc #lrnchat on “social”

As I’ve been drafting a book, I’ve asked those who follow me on Twitter for their perspectives. Sometimes no one responds. Sometimes there’s a flurry. This past week there have been two storms. Sunday night, before I had a chance to think about how to capture the comments, 168 people weighed in. Tonight, a dozen or so. One of the observers asked (reminded) me to capture it. Here it is.

12:15:53 am marciamarcia: What evidence shows learning socially is more effective than learning by doing or learning by observing others? My gut needs your research.
12:17:37 am marciamarcia: What’s on your list for the types of things people learn best socially? Who can help, where’s the answer, keep going…
12:17:50 am rnarchana: RT @marciamarcia: What evidence shows learning socially is more effective than learning by doing or learning by observing others?
12:24:27 am musingvirtual: RT @marciamarcia: What evidence shows learning socially is more effective than learning by doing or learning by observing others? My gut …
12:35:10 am SonyaJMills: @marciamarcia For me the question is: what can’t people learn socially? Or what is difficult to learn socially?
12:37:49 am teapot314: @marciamarcia What “the rules” are…what’s acceptable behavior, how to interact, who’s in and who’s out, etc.
12:38:13 am iOPT: @marciamarcia Learning by observing others is social learning. Thus its learning by doing or learning socially.
12:39:08 am iOPT: @marciamarcia My guess is that depending on the situation, each one has its advantages and disadvantages.
12:41:38 am iOPT: @marciamarcia I think we often learn socially, but can’t repeat what we learn (at least not very good) until we actually do it (practice).
12:42:27 am rickzanotti: @marciamarcia I think social learning is way more hype than reaity for the average employee. Maybe for professionals. Maybe…
12:44:44 am marciamarcia: Challenge from @SonyaJMills — What can’t people learn socially? Or what is difficult to learn socially?
12:45:47 am marciamarcia: People learn best socially what “the rules” are…what’s acceptable behavior, how to interact, who’s in and who’s out, etc. -@teapot314
12:46:50 am sahana2802: RT @rnarchana: RT @marciamarcia: What evidence shows learning socially is more effective than learning by doing or learning by observing …
12:47:16 am marciamarcia: We often learn socially, but can’t repeat what we learn (at least not very well) until we actually do it (practice). -@iOPT
12:47:26 am rwang0: RT @marciamarcia: People learn best socially what “the rules” are…what’s acceptable behavior, how to interact, who’s in and who’s out, etc
12:48:24 am marciamarcia: @iOPT Example different than the fuzziness of calling “hearing someone say…” learning? Help me link this up.
12:48:37 am iOPT: @marciamarcia @SonyaJMills Psychomotor skills for sure — do you want a pilot or surgeon who only learned socially?
12:49:03 am marciamarcia: Learning by observing others is social learning. Thus its learning by doing or learning socially. RT @iOPT
12:51:11 am marciamarcia: Now we’re onto something BIG @iOPT – I do want a pilot & a surgeon who has learned socially and who practices amid others.
12:51:22 am iOPT: @marciamarcia @SonyaJMills Cognitive skills – how many people get good at math by only watching the teacher do problems on the chalkboard?
12:51:32 am mwacker: @marciamarcia Will this discussion B collected somewhere? Hard 2 watch it play out 2x in 1 wk Not tryin 2 B negative just curious
12:52:26 am marciamarcia: RT @Iconic88: Surround yourself with people wiser and smarter than you. Why be afraid?
12:55:27 am marciamarcia: @mwacker It’s 1am for me here so I won’t last much longer, but yes, I’ll post. Trying to get at something quite different than last time.
12:57:02 am marciamarcia: .@iOPT OK, so you’re assuming *only* socially. Hmm. Interesting dimension. Thanks for that. I rarely think in onlys.
12:58:39 am marciamarcia: .@rickzanotti Do you mean learning w/social media is more hype than real for most? Dare you to find anyone who doesn’t learn mostly socially
1:01:07 am iOPT: @marciamarcia Not “only” – you learn to fly or do math by others, but never become proficient until you practice (doing).
1:03:37 am marciamarcia: When we talk about learning skills, I agree 100% we need the practice element, @iOPT – practice w/ others even better.
1:09:04 am DR1665: @marciamarcia most effective learning element is discussing ideas and arriving at own, believable conclusions on new concepts. ie: social
1:09:55 am cdangson: RT @marciamarcia: We often learn socially, but can’t repeat what we learn (at least not very well) until we actually do it (practice).
1:11:18 am iOPT: @marciamarcia You also have reflective learning – turning and twisting things over in your mind. But still need social and doing to test.
1:11:24 am marciamarcia: @cdangson > @iOPT gets the credit for that one.
1:11:56 am marciamarcia: You also have reflective learning: turning and twisting things over in your mind. But still need social and doing to test. RT @iOPT
1:12:07 am marciamarcia: Most effective learning approach is discussing ideas & arriving at own believable conclusions on new concepts. ie: social RT @DR1665
1:25:27 am elearningfuture: @marciamarcia If you are open to social+hands on, my dissertation in SL shows unexpected result – solos performed better than small groups
1:28:33 am marciamarcia: @elearningfuture Yes! Will be curious to see definition of “performed” and how non performance skills assessed.
1:28:56 am marciamarcia: RT @elearningfuture: @marciamarcia If you are open to social+hands on, my dissertation in SL shows unexpected result – solos performed b …
1:30:30 am marciamarcia: Topic for another time, pro-amateurs.
1:33:29 am rawn: RT @marciamarcia Dare you to find anyone who doesn’t learn mostly socially — how about self-taught geniuses e.g Einstein, Chandrashekar
1:39:32 am marciamarcia: @rawn Pt taken. Self-taught geniuses I’ve known have had someone they pushed against, reflected on… Not in isolation.
1:46:11 am jaycross: @marciamarcia Learning by observing others IS social learning, isn’t it?
1:48:05 am jonhusband: RT @jaycross @marciamarcia Learning by observing others IS social learning, isn’t it?
1:50:28 am marciamarcia: Learning by observing others IS social learning, isn’t it? RT @jaycross <Hmm
1:51:05 am marciamarcia: .@jaycross @jonhusband 1st reaction yes, 2nd, no. Just a matter of more than 1 person or is engagement needed? Hmm.
1:51:13 am rickzanotti: @marciamarcia I dare!🙂 We learn in social groups, not necessarily virtual ones. Too many cues missing.
1:52:19 am rickzanotti: @marciamarcia The question, I assumed, was using social media… It is a component of learning, not end-all.
1:55:20 am marciamarcia: @rickzanotti Well not necessarily in f2f groups either, at least intended topic if there is one. Social≠always learning.
1:56:06 am jonhusband: @marciamarcia @jaycross .. I think someone can be quite engaged when observing, no ?
1:57:34 am jaycross: @marciamarcia More than one person implies engagement. Humans are like that. (Consider Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle….)
1:59:24 am marciamarcia: @jonhusband Oh yes, can be quite engaged when observing (or reading or watching a flick). But if you're not, is that still social learning?
2:01:04 am rickzanotti: @marciamarcia agreed. We learn through emulation, imprinting, etc. F2F & in groups.
2:01:36 am jonhusband: @marciamarcia believe I can get quite engaged observing other people do something, but I understand yr pnt, sociality implies interaction
2:01:46 am marciamarcia: Thank for the engagement @elearningfuture @iOPT @DR1665 @rawn @rickzanotti @jonhusband @jaycross @SonyaJMills @teapot314
2:02:17 am jonhusband: @marciamarcia we’re in a sense picking nits, no ? observing another human do something has social aspects to it by definition, I think
2:03:46 am marciamarcia: My hope in asking these questions was to hear perspectives about the mix of practice, engagement, socialness. Great show. Thx!
2:05:07 am iOPT: @marciamarcia Social learning can be direct or vicarious experience through interactions or observation (Hergenhahn, 1982).
2:06:18 am jaycross: @marciamarcia I’d love to take this line of thought deeper. Lots of different activities fit under the label “social” Maybe tomorrow
2:12:11 am jonhusband: @marciamarcia last pnt., promise : observing another human do something is clearly in a social context, even when 1 watches 1 other

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