Transcript 29 October 2009

8:30 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
8:30 pm Quinnovator: @chambo_online no, the questions are queued up in a locked safe, only opened by goblins with the secret password #lrnchat
8:31 pm wlonline: In #lrnchat session, so apologies in advance for coming tweets
8:31 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:31 pm Quinnovator: @LearnNuggets thanks for pointing to the rules, cold frosty one at my fingertips (and pretzels) #lrnchat
8:31 pm mkfrie: Been working so hard in eLearning, have not been thinking much about eLearning! Irony. #lrnchat
8:32 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
8:32 pm oxala75: on a shaky wifi connection, but will be getting my #lrnchat on as long as radio waves allow.
8:32 pm mkfrie: Mark Friedman, Advanced Technologies research for the Military, Suffolk, VA – mini games, flash training modules, Thin client VW #lrnchat
8:32 pm kelly_smith01: 1) Kelly Smith in Texas ISD/Performance nomad #lrnchat
8:32 pm joe_deegan: Known as the guy who does training things with computers located in Sacramento, CA #lrnchat
8:32 pm eduinnovation: I love how everyone in #lrnchat warns their followers that their about to see some super frenetic tweeting.
8:33 pm marciamarcia: Hilarious> RT @chambo_online Csikszentmihalyi … (Had to do something to loosen up my cold fingers…) #lrnchat
8:33 pm littleasklab: Attending #lrnchat for next hour. Please excuse the high twecival level and typos. Leslie in Seattle.
8:33 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning design mercenary, Walnut Creek CA, fringe explorer: mobile, social, games, virtual worlds, #lrnchat
8:33 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
8:33 pm jadekaz: My first #lrnchat! Chilling in Milwaukee as an ID in corp. environment. IPT student at BSU.
8:33 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat Aaron Silvers, Learning Strategist , nerd and “evangelist.” Chicago. Focus on better ways to connect, learn and grow virtually.
8:33 pm gminks: hi everyone, Gina, New England, IS grad student & education person @ #EMC. fav topic right now is performance + collaboration tools #lrnchat
8:33 pm eduinnovation: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:33 pm gminks: @mrch0mp3rs nerd!!🙂 #lrnchat
8:34 pm matt_murray: Training Manager at Dealer.com. Blog at etrainertalk.com. Lover of all things learning. Focusing on building trng organization. #lrnchat
8:34 pm roninchef: This aught to be fun. I’m upgrading to Ubuntu 9.10 while participating in #lrnchat
8:34 pm TerrenceWing: Terrence Wing in Los Angeles focus on leadership dev and learning favs elearning and simulation #lrnchat
8:34 pm eduinnovation: RT @lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new ? will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
8:34 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you?re talking about so they can chime in.
8:34 pm mrch0mp3rs: @gminks Oh like anyone here doesn’t know that already. Yet I volunteer it anyway. #lrnchat
8:34 pm lrnchat: @jadekaz Welcome! #lrnchat
8:34 pm Jeffhurt: Director Education & Events for a nonprofit in DFW Fav topic right now: Disruptive Innovatioin in Events & conference learning #lrnchat
8:34 pm chambo_online: Lisa Chamberlin Chesapeake, Va (Hi Mark), Freelance online educator, author, Chief janitor at my house also. Into OER and Open Ed #lrnchat
8:34 pm LearnNuggets: Kevin Thorn, a.k.a., NuggetHead. LMS Admin, elearn dev for AutoZone, Memphis. Currently in Boston #lrnchat
8:34 pm minutebio: Jeff, e-Learning Designer (corporate training) in Baltimore, USA #lrnchat
8:35 pm wlonline: WL Wong, ICT, uni, sydney, Australia interested in empowering learners #lrnchat
8:35 pm mrch0mp3rs: @jadekaz Welcome! Finally! Gawwwwwd! #lrnchat
8:35 pm peterflom: #lrnchat Introduction Peter, a stats geek from NYCC
8:35 pm peterflom: #lrnchat Introduction Peter, a stats geek from NYC
8:35 pm andrewoshea: hi all. AndrewOShea in Melb Australia. Trainer/Facilitator looking for contacts to discuss lots around Corporate OD… #lrnchat
8:35 pm lrnchat: 6) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com, http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well.
8:36 pm Quinnovator: we used to use flying monkeys, but we had to sack them when they went on a banana liqueur binge #lrnchat
8:36 pm lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
8:36 pm Jeffhurt: @wlonline For my own edification, what time is it in Australia right now? #lrnchat
8:36 pm peterflom: @lrnchat #lrnchat I am on tweetdeck
8:36 pm oxala75: craig wiggins. elearning jockey for the fed’ral gubmint. DC metro area #lrnchat
8:36 pm roninchef: Ahoy, ahoy. Mason Masteka Elearning Curriculum Developer. Open Source advocate and maker of things. #lrnchat
8:36 pm wlonline: @JeffHurt 11:36 am in sydney #lrnchat
8:37 pm andrewoshea: 11.30am In Austrtalia – Ea Coast #lrnchat
8:37 pm lrnchat: 8) Please RT important points & vital questions asked for clarification, so we don’t miss them amid the lively fast-paced #lrnchat
8:37 pm Jeffhurt: @oxala75 I like that title eLearning jockey! Cool. #lrnchat
8:38:01 pm peterflom: #lrnchat not sure this is the right group for me, I know nothing about elearning
8:38:03 pm Jeffhurt: @wlonline Thanks. So it’s Friday morning there, right? #lrnchat
8:38:06 pm spotlearning: Q0 Joe Fournier, long-time learning pro (e-L spec) host of thelearningleaders.com podcast. Employed, but looking for a good change. #lrnchat
8:38:13 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome, also check out @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:38:31 pm jadekaz: @mrch0mp3rs I know. I finally ran out of excuses🙂 Maternity leave sort of frees up all of your time. #lrnchat #lrnchat/
8:38:45 pm andrewoshea: Sure is.. #lrnchat
8:38:47 pm leavittm: Hi there, I’m Michelle Leavitt, upstate NY, asynchronous e-learning courseware product manager primarily for health care. #lrnchat
8:38:53 pm LearnNuggets: @peterflom No prob! If you like learning in general, you’ll enjoy this! #lrnchat
8:39:19 pm gminks: Q0 today I learned you never know when everything can change.🙂 #lrnchat
8:39:35 pm RobRobertson: Rob from Dallas interested in social media in the corp learning environ…Howdy Y’all #lrnchat
8:39:38 pm LearnNuggets: Q0: I learned drawing caricatures “Barcatures” of drunks while eating dinner is the best fun I’ve had all week! #lrnchat
8:39:41 pm wlonline: @Jeffhurt Yes, Friday morning here #lrnchat
8:39:56 pm mkfrie: @chambo_online Just followed you tonight – nice to know local LRN CHATTERS. #lrnchat
8:40:01 pm butwait: Shelley Krause, formerly of upstate NY (hi, @leavittm!), academic matchmaker (aka college counselor) & elearning evangelist in NJ #lrnchat
8:40:10 pm peterflom: Q0 #lrnchat today I learned about multiplicative coefficients method of assessing mediation in regression models
8:40:15 pm mrch0mp3rs: I learned how to set up and properly balance lighting, microphones and HD cameras for our first video shoot run internally #lrnchat
8:40:21 pm RobRobertson: Q0 learned that NASA has an iphone app keeping you up to date on current missions #lrnchat
8:40:23 pm Quinnovator: @lrn2day Q0: learned that 3×5 cards are great way to organize workshop: put topics on & shove around ’til looks good #lrnchat
8:40:27 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, performance consultant, elearning, training, social media fan and general knowledge junkie. DC area. #lrnchat
8:40:35 pm joe_deegan: Learned story boarding elearning can be fun if it’s a good story. #lrnchat
8:40:40 pm Quinnovator: @LearnNuggets they were even fun vicariously! #lrnchat
8:40:45 pm chambo_online: Q0 – Windows Vista – network icon in tray disappears…Fix: switch to classic view and then back…I lrned a great fix this week #lrnchat
8:40:56 pm roninchef: I learned today that I am a connector on Twitter and that @Quinnovator, @gminks, @shantarose are my puppet masters. #lrnchat
8:41:24 pm chambo_online: @mkfrie Thought I was the only Virginian for a while…lol #lrnchat
8:41:31 pm LearnNuggets: @Quinnovator Twitpics of them through @delanotho🙂 #lrnchat
8:41:33 pm kelly_smith01: Reading articles/books/etc. on virtual learning #lrnchat
8:41:49 pm mkfrie: Q0 – Learned that Vista 64bit File Explorer does not work like it did in XP – horrible job by MS teaching us that. #lrnchat
8:41:51 pm oxala75: @lrnchat i learned that i’m not done kicking in doors. I am looking forward to it, actually. #lrnchat
8:41:55 pm kelly_smith01: Or I should say Virtual Classroon #lrnchat
8:42:07 pm Quinnovator: Q0 @lrn2day also learned to look for clues in DevLearn Zombie Apocalypse #dl09za #lrnchat
8:42:08 pm matt_murray: @chambo_online You also learned that Vista really does make life more difficult! #lrnchat
8:42:11 pm busynessgirl: Laptop battery dead. Had to find power cord. Now fashionably late to #lrnchat (again).
8:42:24 pm spotlearning: Q0. Learned how Motorola implemented social learning across the org. #lrnchat
8:42:29 pm chambo_online: RT @peterflom: Q0 #lrnchat today I learned about multiplicative coefficients method of assessing …Me: he hurt my brain with that. #lrnchat
8:42:30 pm kasey428: Learned Murphy (of Law fame) works everywhere. Subcontractor misplaced an elearning database. Looking for it right now… #lrnchat
8:42:32 pm littleasklab: Today, I learned how to title public Twitter Llsts judiciously #lrnchat
8:42:33 pm kelly_smith01: RT @oxala75: @lrnchat i learned that im not done kicking in doors. I am looking forward to it, actually. #lrnchat
8:42:50 pm peterflom: #lrnchat I learned that I like Sam Smith Winter Welcome ale
8:42:52 pm busynessgirl: I learned so much about #WolframAlpha in the last week that it will take me months to blog about it all. #lrnchat
8:42:53 pm andrewoshea: Anyone know what the key growth area in corporate training is at the moment? Some say OD is the way to go! #lrnchat
8:42:57 pm chambo_online: @matt_murray Knew that already…lesson was reinforced. #lrnchat
8:43:07 pm minutebio: Today, I learned Adobe Flash CS3 should have a bullet icon in its menu, but does not. #lrnchat
8:43:10 pm LearnNuggets: @oxala75 Ha! Kicking in doors…”Hey, take your elearning or else!’ #lrnchat
8:43:44 pm kelly_smith01: Learned although I could have been in Denver I prefer real Oct. weather waiting 4 next project #lrnchat
8:43:45 pm joe_deegan: Learned how to do a near search in Twitter. http://bit.ly/3s50sk #lrnchat
8:43:52 pm nosnitsap: Sarcasm? RT @eduinnovation I love how everyone in #lrnchat warns their followers that they’re about to see some super frenetic tweeting.
8:43:59 pm jadekaz: @andrewoshea elearning #lrnchat
8:44:01 pm TerrenceWing: converting ppt to flash #lrnchat
8:44:01 pm Jeffhurt: Learning #1 from this week: We need to become information synthesizers. #lrnchat
8:44:12 pm busynessgirl: Dear followers: I will be in #lrnchat for the next 90 minutes. Either join us (search #lrnchat) or put up with lots of tweets.🙂
8:44:17 pm peterflom: #lrnchat I also learned (again) that I am glad I work for nonprofits and academics
8:44:23 pm butwait: Q0: Today I learned that having an awesome PLN makes the old scouting adage “be prepared” one HECK of a lot easier to achieve. #lrnchat
8:44:25 pm Jeffhurt: Lrn #2: The more important a call or an action is to our soul’s evolution, the more resistance we will feel toward pursuing it. #lrnchat
8:44:33 pm marciamarcia: @andrewoshea Key growth area? I’d say delivering content via mobile devices. Guessing that will come up w/the Qs. #lrnchat
8:45:01 pm LearnNuggets: Q0: Learned that @jmarrapodi is the epitome of hospitality. Enjoyed a very warm welcome in her home w/ hubby and dinner. #lrnchat
8:45:11 pm Quinnovator: Q0: learned today that I have no idea what I might do with twitter lists #lrnchat
8:45:24 pm kelly_smith01: Also saw some cool demos of Adobe applications – I am little behind some folks #lrnchat
8:45:34 pm lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
8:45:47 pm Jeffhurt: RT @busynessgirl (sort of RT): Dear followers: I will be in chat for next 90 mins. Either join us or prepare for lots of tweets.🙂 #lrnchat
8:45:48 pm Quinnovator: or facilitators? RT @Jeffhurt: Learning #1 from this week: We need to become information synthesizers. #lrnchat
8:45:48 pm TerrenceWing: learned some advantages of Android over Apple’s OS hmmm #lrnchat
8:45:58 pm kelly_smith01: Developing some checklist for Just In Time training – preparation #lrnchat
8:45:59 pm busynessgirl: @littleasklab Not the bike, although I did also have to change clothes. Not about to do the exercise bike in my magic boots.🙂 #lrnchat
8:46:00 pm roninchef: @LearnNuggets How is Ol’ New England treating you? #lrnchat
8:46:04 pm chambo_online: @marciamarcia @andrewoshea – I learned that I don’t know even the tip of the iceburg in mlearning -lol #lrnchat
8:46:07 pm oxala75: @JeffHurt thx. it suits🙂 #lrnchat
8:46:11 pm LearnNuggets: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
8:46:14 pm butwait: RT Dear followers: I’ll be in #lrnchat for the next 90 min. Either join us (search #lrnchat) or put up w/ lots of tweets. [me too!] #lrnchat
8:46:17 pm Quinnovator: RT @marciamarcia: @andrewoshea Key growth area? I’d say delivering content via mobile devices. Guessing that will come up w/the Qs. #lrnchat
8:46:32 pm mrch0mp3rs: Bonus learning today: Wave is… hinky. #lrnchat http://twubs.com/lrnchat
8:46:42 pm matt_murray: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
8:46:42 pm littleasklab: @Quinnovator I’m not sure the point is to “use” the lists as much as be on many lists – the good ones, of course #lrnchat
8:46:46 pm Quinnovator: not surprised RT @LearnNuggets: Q0: Learned that @jmarrapodi is epitome of hospitality. Enjoyed a warm welcome in her home #lrnchat
8:46:47 pm joe_deegan: Q 1)Social learning extends learning opportunities beyond the classroom. #lrnchat
8:46:51 pm Dave_Ferguson: I learned that my dad was a hell of a networker. #lrnchat
8:46:54 pm busynessgirl: Am also learning that Chrome may, in fact, be faster for TweetChat. #lrnchat
8:46:57 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
8:47:03 pm joe_deegan: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
8:47:04 pm jadekaz: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
8:47:07 pm LearnNuggets: @roninchef Rainy mostly, but its been a productive visit thus far #lrnchat
8:47:11 pm peterflom: #lrnchat Q1 I do not understand … define ‘social’ and ‘formal’
8:47:13 pm oxala75: @LearnNuggets oh, they’ll take it and they’ll like it. #lrnchat #InappropriateThreats
8:47:23 pm spotlearning: Q1) Social learning intentionality generates learning outcomes for others and broadens perspectives. #lrnchat
8:47:25 pm Jeffhurt: @mrch0mp3rs Curious more about hinky but don’t want to get too far off chat topics. #lrnchat
8:47:29 pm busynessgirl: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
8:47:42 pm chambo_online: Q1 – Builds community quickly – “social” atmosphere breeds liberal discussion beyond the minimum course requirements. #lrnchat
8:47:48 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q1: Recognizes that there’s a backchannel (implicit goals) to our explicit learning goals. Possibility exists to leverage that. #lrnchat
8:47:57 pm roninchef: @mrch0mp3rs But think of the “back in the day” stories you will tell. You kids have it easy! #lrnchat
8:48:00 pm nancyrubin: Benefits of learning socially in formal environment is that students learn real world skills in addition to formal learning #lrnchat
8:48:00 pm gminks: Q1 I find it hard to teach if I don’t intentionally create a community with each class #lrnchat
8:48:03 pm busynessgirl: Q1: Benefits of focusing on social learning: Engagement, motivation, seeing learning through the eyes of others. #lrnchat
8:48:14 pm Quinnovator: Q1: 1) social can add to depth of formal learning outcomes, 2) can serve as segue to informal #lrnchat
8:48:23 pm hjarche: Q1) Is formal learning so damn different from life that you can remove the social aspect of humanity? A very clinical approach #lrnchat
8:48:24 pm jadekaz: Q1: power of using social learning- Using the power of what’s right in front of you #lrnchat
8:48:32 pm LearnNuggets: Q1: Social learning enhances and expands a formal experience to extend the learning beyond the classroom #lrnchat
8:48:37 pm peterflom: #lrnchat q1 seems to me that learning can be social or asocial, formal or informal, any of 4 combos
8:48:52 pm nancyrubin: How are you forming community – through DBs or through Web2.0 applications? #lrnchat
8:49:11 pm busynessgirl: For example, my students see that other students struggle with the same concepts, catch the enthusiasm of others, give pep talks. #lrnchat
8:49:15 pm Quinnovator: @peterflom much of formal is individual (e.g. async elearning), social is group activity, discussion… #lrnchat
8:49:19 pm minutebio: It empowers all of the audience and can celebrate the “mentors” in the audience. #lrnchat
8:49:23 pm joe_deegan: Social=what you are doing now. Formal=Structured course… RT @peterflom do not understand … define social and formal #lrnchat
8:49:29 pm andrewoshea: Never underestimate the mind power in a group of people gathered together.. #lrnchat
8:49:43 pm gminks: RT @hjarche: Q1) Is formal learning so damn different from life that you can remove the social aspect of humanity? #lrnchat
8:49:43 pm kelly_smith01: Q1) Social learning considers current status, environment, & expereince of learners #lrnchat
8:49:44 pm nancyrubin: Hard to get buy-in from faculty to accept social learning tools as valid classroom devices. Anyone else have that experience? #lrnchat
8:49:47 pm chambo_online: @nancyrubin “yes” #lrnchat
8:49:47 pm TerrenceWing: Learners take personal responsibility more with social learning and possibly fill the gap faster #lrnchat
8:49:54 pm Quinnovator: @peterflom @marciamarcia adds dimension of accidental – intentional #lrnchat
8:49:57 pm jadekaz: Q1 Activation – using experiences to enhance transfer. Engagement – being involved with others. #lrnchat
8:49:58 pm littleasklab: Q1) These 3 social lrning design models from Jane Hart @c41pt may help http://twurl.nl/q02z3h #lrnchat
8:49:58 pm busynessgirl: @nancyrubin Definitely through Web2.0 … blogs, mindmaps, twitter, … #lrnchat
8:50:07 pm minutebio: Or tap into the brain of the mentors rather than celebrate #lrnchat
8:50:13 pm joegerstandt: RT @JeffHurt The more important a call or action is to our soul’s evolution, the more resistance we will feel toward pursuing it. #lrnchat
8:50:20 pm peterflom: #lrnchat Q1 although I am leery of ALL categories. I think nearly everything is on a continuum
8:50:24 pm Quinnovator: @littleasklab sounds good, but you can’t choose what lists you’re on, eh?🙂 #lrnchat
8:50:38 pm wlonline: @nancyrubin That is common: lack of buy-in #lrnchat
8:50:43 pm Priaak: Q1) What would qualify as learning socially? A workshop, group learning, collaborative tools? #lrnchat
8:50:45 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @spotlearning: Q1) Social learning intentionality generates learning outcomes for others and broadens perspectives. #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:51:06 pm spotlearning: Social learning is not so time-bound…in many ways, the walls recede for fluid exchange. #lrnchat
8:51:10 pm kelly_smith01: In my exp. social learning critical for team building for accounting and risk assessment consultants #lrnchat
8:51:13 pm Quinnovator: Q1: the room is smarter than the smartest person in the room *if* you manage the process right😉 #lrnchat
8:51:15 pm peterflom: @Quinnovator #lrnchat I like that accidental intentional! I’ve learned lots by accident
8:51:23 pm busynessgirl: Most faculty don’t USE social learning tools, nor were THEY taught that way. We teach (mostly) how we were taught. @nancyrubin #lrnchat
8:51:32 pm mkfrie: rt @minutebio: Or tap into the brain of the mentors rather than celebrate #lrnchat
8:51:39 pm Jeffhurt: Much of formal lrn requires turn taking, social can be more collaborative and supersynchrony – polylogues like this more productive #lrnchat
8:51:42 pm LearnNuggets: RT @Quinnovator: Q1: the room is smarter than the smartest person in the room *if* you manage the process right😉 #lrnchat
8:51:46 pm lrnchat: Reminder there is NO EXPECTATION you’ll keep up w/ all the chatter on #lrnchat. It goes by fast. There’ll be a transcript after.
8:51:52 pm joe_deegan: I struggle to get participation with social learning. Not everyone jumps on the bandwagon like us. #lrnchat
8:51:55 pm minutebio: RT @Quinnovator: Q1: the room is smarter than the smartest person in the room *if* you manage the process right😉 #lrnchat
8:52:06 pm Jeffhurt: @Quinnovator Q1: Yes, trust the network, they usually know more than you do. #lrnchat
8:52:14 pm andrewoshea: The greatest sessions I have conducted are the ones that draw on the hidden knowledge in the room (virtual or live)! #lrnchat
8:52:25 pm nancyrubin: @busynessgirl Agreed – lots of training to get faculty comfortable using tools and THEN to apply to classroom. #lrnchat
8:53:03 pm mrch0mp3rs: @joe_deegan Full participation isn’t the goal, for me. Engagement is. You can be engaged and not directly contribute. #lrnchat
8:53:04 pm busynessgirl: @Quinnovator Didn’t you argue exactly the opposite of that statement just a few months ago?😉 #lrnchat
8:53:12 pm kelly_smith01: Role play or case study walk through with groups of learners w/feedback direction from experienced leader = social learning #lrnchat
8:53:13 pm Priaak: RT lrnchat Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
8:53:18 pm nancyrubin: Anyone using rubrics for social learning tools – blogs, wikis, etc. – in the classroom? #lrnchat
8:53:20 pm peterflom: #lrnchat OTOH, a lot of geniuses were very solitary – asocial learners Newton and Turing and Godel for 3
8:53:20 pm chambo_online: “Intentional” use=as in I +’d the use of Twtr to my course design 2 have students interact beyond just my formal course questions. #lrnchat
8:53:21 pm gminks: not sure about this, but they will make you think twice @Quinnovator Q1: trust the network, they usually know more than you do. #lrnchat
8:53:34 pm roninchef: Q1 A class is a kind of micro-community. Adding a social learning goal can gel that sense of community. #lrnchat
8:53:38 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Jeffhurt all/many of us is abundantly smarter than any one of us. #lrnchat
8:53:40 pm kasey428: One of my performance goals for 2010 is to integrate appropriate social media tools as an adjunct to elearning and ILT courses. #lrnchat
8:53:43 pm Quinnovator: @Priaak yes, and discussion, group project, role-playing, commenting on other’s thoughts… #lrnchat
8:53:48 pm TerrenceWing: Does the value of the experience of the masses depend on the subject.? #lrnchat
8:53:56 pm matt_murray: Q)1 This questions begs for an idea of participant demographic an industry #lrnchat
8:54:01 pm spotlearning: @joe_deegan Bribing learners often works…even in social learning. Praise and status are powerful motivators…validation works #lrnchat
8:54:08 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @Quinnovator: Q1: the room is smarter than the smartest person in the room *if* you manage the process right😉 #lrnchat
8:54:15 pm busynessgirl: For faculty: Teach them to PLAY with the tools in their own professional networks, then it starts making more sense. #lrnchat
8:54:23 pm Quinnovator: yes, can build relationships! T @kelly_smith01: In my exp. social learning critical for team building… #lrnchat
8:54:25 pm tmiket: OK. Late and trying to catch up…already off to a fast pace I see. #lrnchat
8:54:25 pm kelly_smith01: Or a virtual team w/role play or case study using social media = social learning #lrnchat
8:54:37 pm marciamarcia: Reminded the benefits of old friends in cities where you travel on biz when under the weather. You can just be. #lrnchat Q0 Thx @nyc_mom
8:54:55 pm nancyrubin: @kasey428🙂. One of my performance goals is better adoption of the social learning tools we have licensed. #lrnchat
8:55:01 pm Jeffhurt: RT @spotlearning: Social learning…walls recede 4 fluid exchange. [more flexible, open-ended, multidirectional &multidimensional] #lrnchat
8:55:12 pm tmiket: @joe_deegan Most don’t know the bandwagon even exists #lrnchat
8:55:15 pm busynessgirl: @RobinThailand Join us in #lrnchat
8:55:15 pm jadekaz: re: the intentional aspect – planning and encouraging the unexpected #lrnchat
8:55:19 pm Quinnovator: Got to use, to get! RT @busynessgirl: Most faculty don’t USE social learning tools, nor taught that way. We teach how taught. #lrnchat
8:55:27 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Quinnovator I’d go as far as to reverse that – team building is critical for social learning #lrnchat
8:55:35 pm nancyrubin: @kelly_smith01 Do you pick tools they use or let them choose? For example, wikis for group activities vs blog for individual? #lrnchat
8:55:38 pm butwait: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
8:55:48 pm joe_deegan: Learning that adoption of social learning resources in an organization is a hard fought battle. #lrnchat
8:55:49 pm Quinnovator: @busynessgirl consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds😉 #lrnchat
8:56:10 pm hjarche: Q1) Working in networks means learning in networks & that is social, because you need multiple feedback loops #lrnchat
8:56:20 pm kellygarber: Q1) we learn more when we can use our experiences, double that when we can be an observer to the experiences of others. #lrnchat
8:56:30 pm minutebio: RT @joe_deegan: Learning that adoption of social learning resources in an organization is a hard fought battle. agreed #lrnchat
8:56:32 pm chambo_online: RT @Jeffhurt: RT @spotlearning: Social learning…walls recede 4 fluid exchange. [more flexible, open-ended,etc.] #lrnchat
8:56:52 pm peterflom: #lrnchat Solitude is the school of genius Emerson Q1
8:57:05 pm Quinnovator: @peterflom ah, but research shows that innovation is *not* individual #lrnchat
8:57:09 pm busynessgirl: Model that might work for training faculty: Spend 2-4 weeks using each tool, decide at the end of semester which work for them. #lrnchat
8:57:09 pm marciamarcia: @busynessgirl IMHO you can’t actually teach people to play. You can just show them it’s safe for them to do it. #lrnchat
8:57:12 pm andrewoshea: I.T.Security nazis aremy bigest hurdle followed by old fashioned business owners who refusetowengage innew things.. #lrnchat
8:57:22 pm Jeffhurt: Q1: Todays social learning is interactive without walls. learn anywhere, anytime, and with greater ease than ever before. #lrnchat
8:57:35 pm littleasklab: @nancyrubin 2009 U of Washington big survey on learning and technology might be helpful.Have pdf . “#lrnchat
8:57:35 pm kelly_smith01: @nancyrubin (choosing tools) depends on what tools are used in working environment – hopefuly tools used on job PC, mobile devise #lrnchat
8:57:57 pm busynessgirl: @Quinnovator I’m a mathematician you know, I have to pay attention to details like that. #lrnchat
8:58:05 pm mrch0mp3rs: @hjarche What are you playing the part of @moehlert tonight?😛 #lrnchat
8:58:13 pm nancyrubin: @littleasklab Would love to see! #lrnchat
8:58:13 pm tmiket: @joe_deegan Just being in the fight improves your chances of ‘winning” #lrnchat
8:58:14 pm marciamarcia: We learn more when we can use our experiences, double that when we can be an observer to the experiences of others. #lrnchat RT @kellygarber
8:58:15 pm littleasklab: RT @Quinnovator: @peterflom ah, but research shows that innovation is *not* individual #lrnchat
8:58:21 pm Quinnovator: @mrch0mp3rs don’t know, I’ve learned a lot from some real, er, jerks #lrnchat
8:58:22 pm busynessgirl: @marciamarcia I think that with adults you DO have to teach them to play (again). If I just say “play” it doesn’t work … #lrnchat
8:58:30 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Jeffhurt: Q1: Todays social learning is interactive without walls. learn anywhere, anytime, and with greater ease than before. #lrnchat
8:58:38 pm chambo_online: For those stuck behind LMS, social learning is a secret escape route. #lrnchat
8:58:41 pm hjarche: @mrch0mp3rs no one can do that! #lrnchat
8:58:46 pm Quinnovator: RT @kellygarber: Q1) learn more when can use our experiences, double that when can be an observer to the experiences of others. #lrnchat
8:58:54 pm jadekaz: Q1 creating opportunity for lasting connections through trust and accomplishments #lrnchat
8:58:59 pm joe_deegan: @tmiket Great response. #lrnchat
8:59:04 pm busynessgirl: @marciamarcia But if I give an end goal, that involves play to get there, that seems to work. But safe is certainly required. #lrnchat
8:59:14 pm ArtPandscience: in classrooms students learn as much from each other as they do from the teacher..#lrnchat
8:59:25 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Quinnovator Just because we can learn that way doesn’t mean we always have to, right? #lrnchat
8:59:27 pm gminks: Isn’t all learning social? #lrnchat
8:59:32 pm urbie: @marciamarcia ideally you want the learner to be aroused by something in the presentation to the point they want to play with it #lrnchat
8:59:35 pm Quinnovator: @busynessgirl on any issue with n perspectives, I have n+1 opinions😉 #lrnchat
8:59:37 pm matt_murray: @chambo_online What about integrating LMS and socme? #lrnchat
8:59:39 pm busynessgirl: @chambo_online Especially since most LMS do not do social media well … definitely nice escape route! #lrnchat
8:59:45 pm spotlearning: RT @jadekaz: Q1 creating opportunity for lasting connections through trust and accomplishments #lrnchat
8:59:55 pm kasey428: Will experiement w/social media tools to determine which are approrpriate & effective in building community around subject areas. #lrnchat
8:59:56 pm hjarche: RT @gminks: Isnt all learning social? Yes #lrnchat
8:59:56 pm Priaak: Q1) better attention span, retention, motivation, fun and also a break from work, monotony #lrnchat
8:59:57 pm gminks: RT @hjarche: Q1) Working in networks means learning in networks & that is social, because you need multiple feedback loops #lrnchat
9:00:00 pm mrch0mp3rs: I’d argue it’s the main route already. RT @chambo_online: For those stuck behind LMS, social learning is a secret escape route. #lrnchat
9:00:03 pm busynessgirl: @gminks Ever been in a typical math class? LOL (not very social) #lrnchat
9:00:06 pm chambo_online: @gminks Try CISCO training for an answer to that. #lrnchat
9:00:23 pm chambo_online: @matt_murray Definitely…that is what we have to do. #lrnchat
9:00:28 pm dwilkinsnh: Not sure if it’s been said yet (just joining) — forming bonds that last beyond the formal event is a big one #lrnchat
9:00:28 pm Jeffhurt: q1: Formal lrn must integrate more collaborative, horizontal, networked lrng structures. Lrng as connectivity & Interactivity #lrnchat
9:00:30 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jadekaz: Q1 creating opportunity 4 lasting connections through trust & accomplishments (virtual teams – complex collaborations) #lrnchat
9:00:34 pm busynessgirl: @Quinnovator is a closet mathematician (and now has been outed) #lrnchat
9:00:35 pm tmiket: @urbie Yes agreed. Best learning is a starting point not an ending point. Curiosity to learn more is great #lrnchat
9:00:55 pm gminks: @busynessgirl oh I don’t agree. What happens after the lecture – the social filling in the blanks #lrnchat
9:01:00 pm spotlearning: @gminks I don’t think all learning is necessarily social, but all learning DOES have social implications, IMHO #lrnchat
9:01:02 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat If all you have is the LMS, trust me… there’s a lot more learning happening in your org than you’re tracking.
9:01:03 pm Quinnovator: @mrch0mp3rs much rather learn with (read: party) with good folks than jerks, absolutely. Can you say DevLearn? #dl09 #lrnchat
9:01:05 pm busynessgirl: RT @dwilkinsnh: Not sure if its been said yet (just joining) — forming bonds that last beyond the formal event is a big one #lrnchat
9:01:10 pm tmiket: RT @dwilkinsnh: Not sure if it’s been said yet (just joining) — forming bonds that last beyond the formal event is a big one #lrnchat
9:01:17 pm lrnchat: Just joining us and not sure what’s the question? You can always check @lrnchat #lrnchat
9:01:24 pm gminks: and my kids got taught in class but learned at home with pennies, apples, etc… #lrnchat
9:01:25 pm busynessgirl: Let me just repeat how wicked fast Chrome is with TweetChat … wow! #lrnchat
9:01:36 pm kasey428: @gminks Same is true for the standard accounting class…far from social. #lrnchat
9:01:40 pm matt_murray: @chambo_online I find the LMS is still the training metrics champion…agree? #lrnchat
9:01:40 pm gminks: oh and Schoolhouse rocks tapes #lrnchat
9:01:45 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Quinnovator DevLearn! #dl09 #lrnchat
9:01:51 pm jmarrapodi: @Quinnovator @LearnNuggets Aw shucks! #lrnchat Open doors and hearts in RI. Tweeting from car at red lights or I’d be there now. Hi all!
9:02:02 pm gminks: RT @mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat If all you have is the LMS, trust me theres a lot more learning happening in your org than youre tracking. #lrnchat
9:02:03 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh bringing in all that touchy-feely stuff, gotta move you out here to California😉 #lrnchat
9:02:06 pm chambo_online: RT lrnchat Q1) What are the benefits of focusing intentionally on learning socially during formal learning programs? #lrnchat
9:02:15 pm Jeffhurt: q1: Key for social & informal learning: Fostering and managing levels of trust. #lrnchat
9:02:18 pm urbie: @busynessgirl depends on how it’s presented. give learners a context and ask them to do something with it can work #lrnchat
9:02:20 pm tmiket: @mrch0mp3rs I’d say there’s always more learning happening than LMS tracks…and LMS tracks stuff other than ‘learning’ #lrnchat
9:02:21 pm jadekaz: Yes! RT @dwilkinsnh: Not sure if its been said yet (just joining) — forming bonds that last beyond the formal event is a big one #lrnchat
9:02:34 pm andrewoshea: @tmiket It’s huge for most events to have a lasting impression. Any thoughts on the best way with people across a country? #lrnchat
9:02:40 pm hjarche: @gminks all learning is social, but not all teaching & training is social – hence the disconnect #lrnchat
9:02:41 pm busynessgirl: @mrch0mp3rs Bummed I won’t be at #dl09. Will have to follow the tweetstream. Instead I’ll be at a conference with NO Internet. #lrnchat
9:02:43 pm LearnNuggets: @jmarrapodi Not while driving I hope! #lrnchat
9:02:56 pm Jeffhurt: @jmarrapodi Oh, be careful! We need you well so we can pick your brain. #lrnchat
9:02:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: @matt_murray If measuring completions and quiz scores are your metrics, then yes. #lrnchat
9:02:58 pm Quinnovator: @busynessgirl it was computer science that did it, analysis of algorithms, yum! #lrnchat
9:03:03 pm kasey428: RT @dwilkinsnh: Not sure if its been said yet (just joining) — forming bonds that last beyond the formal event is a big one #lrnchat
9:03:05 pm busynessgirl: @urbie Are we talking play or math (or both?)😉 #lrnchat
9:03:07 pm nancyrubin: Social learning in formal situations allows the learning to take place outside the LMS (which can be restricting in an online env) #lrnchat
9:03:11 pm Quinnovator: RT @mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat If all you have is the LMS, trust me… there’s a lot more learning happening in your org than you’re tracking.
9:03:11 pm ArtPandscience: #lrnchat short bursts of learning need to be integrated into the full picture somehow or expertise will be broken
9:03:35 pm gminks: agree!!! RT @hjarche: @gminks all learning is social, but not all teaching & training is social – hence the disconnect #lrnchat
9:03:44 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator LOL — I’m a big softie at heart… #lrnchat
9:03:47 pm matt_murray: @mrch0mp3rs What about LMS that delivers ALL training, tracks clicks on all learning media and reports who has accessed it? #lrnchat
9:03:48 pm mrch0mp3rs: @tmiket You make my point far better than I do.🙂 #lrnchat
9:04:05 pm tmiket: LMS more for CYA than for great learning IMHO #lrnchat
9:04:15 pm LearnNuggets: @tmiket @mrch0mp03 I don’t think an LMS will ever track ALL learning/training #lrnchat
9:04:17 pm busynessgirl: I met @Quinnovator @mrch0mp3rs @KoreenOlbrish and several others at a conference last summer – learning from them ever since. #lrnchat
9:04:19 pm matt_murray: @mrch0mp3rs The learner just never really sees it #lrnchat
9:04:21 pm cammybean: Watching my son in kindergarten — it’s all about the social learning — playing nice and all that. #lrnchat
9:04:30 pm chambo_online: @matt_murray I lack the data to give a good answer – just anecdotal (and my own experiences in training) #lrnchat
9:04:30 pm littleasklab: RT @chambo_online: For those stuck behind LMS, social learning is a secret escape route. #lrnchat
9:04:32 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat One thing we might want to gnaw on: when left to the network, they may learn something you don’t exactly want them to.
9:04:40 pm cammybean: RT @peterflom: #lrnchat Solitude is the school of genius Emerson Q1
9:04:43 pm mrch0mp3rs: @LearnNuggets That’s also my point. #lrnchat
9:04:46 pm Quinnovator: @ArtPandscience but this is short bursts, who’s responsible for the integration? #lrnchat
9:04:47 pm urbie: @busynessgirl best lesson i ever had in geometry was the french lieutenant having to figure out how much was needed to ford a river #lrnchat
9:04:47 pm ArtPandscience: #lrnchat in most companies 70% of the learning is done outside of the courses in the LMS, benchmarked this with 8 companies recently
9:04:54 pm LearnNuggets: @matt_murray @mrch0mp3rs Not sure ANY LMS can do that. #lrnchat
9:04:54 pm cammybean: RT @Quinnovator: @peterflom ah, but research shows that innovation is *not* individual #lrnchat
9:04:58 pm tmiket: @LearnNuggets Not even close..totally agree re:LMS #lrnchat
9:05:06 pm kellygarber: RT @gminks: oh and Schoolhouse rocks tapes http://voicethread.com/#home #lrnchat
9:20:10 pm busynessgirl: More importantly, I give a mid-project progress report to push the projects in the direction they need to go. I use Jing for that. #lrnchat
9:20:11 pm Priaak: Q2 difference in culture especially if across geographies , different learning capabilities can be a barrier… #lrnchat
9:20:13 pm hjarche: If the CIA can use social media for learning, why can’t your org? #lrnchat
9:20:26 pm gminks: one of my profs has a program that tracks interactions on discussion boards… #lrnchat
9:20:26 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat there are technical security risks in going social — potential for relaxed monitoring of online behavior, phishing, etc. in ur org
9:20:27 pm peterflom: #lrnchat Q2 also, some learning disabilities make social learning harder
9:20:28 pm kelly_smith01: I see published “stats” that say CIO & other C folks reject social tools – however maybe a sucurity issue – still reluctant though #lrnchat
9:20:32 pm Jeffhurt: @TerrenceWing Clarify how tech can isolate the learner #lrnchat
9:20:41 pm TerrenceWing: @Quinnovator but then their personality drives their involvement. Recognition is an inhibitor even if virtual. #lrnchat
9:20:48 pm matt_murray: @moehlert hey there! Thanks for stopping by etrainertalk.com the other day. #lrnchat
9:20:48 pm BradStokes: @roninchef can be directionless as well if not organised well #lrnchat
9:20:51 pm minutebio: RT @Priaak: Q2 difference in culture especially if across geographies , different learning capabilities can be a barrier… #lrnchat
9:20:56 pm oxala75: @mrch0mp3rs oh, absolutely. social learning invites subversion (best of it makes use of it, imho). #lrnchat
9:20:57 pm spotlearning: RT @hjarche: Don’t assess social lrng..enable practitioners to produce results, they will handle the social aspect if you let them #lrnchat
9:21:00 pm Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: Don’t assess social learning, enable practitioners to produce results, they will handle social aspect if you let them #lrnchat
9:21:01 pm tmiket: RT @hjarche: If the CIA can use social media for learning, why can’t your org? #lrnchat
9:21:01 pm wlonline: @nancyrubin Have to design the learning around technologies to promote learning and use tools for analysis and improve design #lrnchat
9:21:06 pm RobRobertson: Q2 not having best/breed social tools (or a least good ones) can have a neg impact on the learner exp Many orgs have limited tools #lrnchat
9:21:27 pm minutebio: RT @BradStokes: @roninchef can be directionless as well if not organised well Strong facilitator needed #lrnchat
9:21:27 pm busynessgirl: Weighing benefits and risks of using social media for formal learning: http://bit.ly/Syohc (first link) #lrnchat
9:21:29 pm jmarrapodi: @JeffHurt. Tx Jeff. That’s why I’m only checking replies & not watching whole #lrnchat feed.🙂 if only I could fig out voice activated twts
9:21:29 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche but sometimes social is one of your outcomes, and don’t assume social learning skills, assess and develop! #lrnchat
9:21:33 pm wlonline: @nancyrubin see eg given by @gminks #lrnchat
9:21:36 pm butwait: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are the downsides of focusing on learning socially amid formal learning programs? #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:21:37 pm moehlert: @hjarche I’m familiar with their efforts and I think they might say they use it for fulfilling their “need to share” aegis #lrnchat
9:21:39 pm oxala75: @hjarche that’s what I say. #lrnchat
9:21:41 pm chambo_online: RT @tmiket: RT @hjarche: If the CIA can use social media for learning, why cant your org? #lrnchat
9:21:42 pm TerrenceWing: @Jeffhurt If they are not familar or comfortable with the tech. They may feel isolated. #lrnchat
9:21:53 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @hjarche: Don’t assess social learning, enable practitioners to produce results, they will handle social aspect if you let them #lrnchat
9:21:55 pm kelly_smith01: that is a “security” issue for social tools – #lrnchat
9:22:02 pm tmiket: @RobRobertson Poor tools = more friction = less use/less learning #lrnchat
9:22:02 pm nancyrubin: STOLEN principle for wikis – pedagogy – http://stolenprinciple.pbworks.com/ #lrnchat
9:22:03 pm BradStokes: @RobRobertson Or they restrict access to the ones they use #lrnchat
9:22:05 pm bschlenker: Its sad when workers must leave work in order to get onto a network that will allow them to get work/learning done. #lrnchat
9:22:07 pm gminks: RT @mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat there are tech security risks in going social for relaxed monitoring of online behavior, phishing, etc #lrnchat
9:22:09 pm mrch0mp3rs: @tmiket Because they’re the CIA, and above the law (like Seagal) #lrnchat
9:22:17 pm jadekaz: Q2 Multitasking🙂 #lrnchat
9:22:18 pm moehlert: @hjarche But good point. I use it all the time to talk about the 3 Pillars of Social Media – Fear, Control and Trust #lrnchat
9:22:19 pm wlonline: there are lots of tools in CSCL Computer Supported Collaborative learning #lrnchat
9:22:47 pm TerrenceWing: @kelly_smith01 Time to take the social learning offsite or use personal comps #lrnchat
9:22:50 pm hjarche: @moehlert yah, and there are orgs who don’t have a need to share? #lrnchat
9:22:52 pm tmiket: @bschlenker Amen brother!!! #lrnchat
9:22:54 pm kellygarber: Q2 – if socially I’ve “passed” does that mean I’ve learned? What happens when I have to perform the task alone? #lrnchat
9:22:55 pm mrch0mp3rs: @moehlert I thought that was the weapons of the Spanish Inquisition #lrnchat
9:23:00 pm tmiket: RT @bschlenker: Its sad when workers must leave work in order to get onto a network that will allow them to get work/learning done. #lrnchat
9:23:15 pm jwillensky: Q2 Cliques, varying levels of comfort, institutional resistance, alpha wolves #lrnchat
9:23:16 pm matt_murray: @nancyrubin that’s great thanks! #lrnchat
9:23:20 pm cammybean: @dwilkinsnh @hjarche the source of the 80/20 split… #lrnchat 1/2
9:23:30 pm TerrenceWing: RT @kellygarber: Q2 – if socially Ive “passed” does that mean Ive learned? What happens when I have to perform the task alone? #lrnchat
9:23:39 pm tmiket: @hjarche or they have the need but not the mind or will to do so? #lrnchat
9:23:45 pm hjarche: 3 principles of Training: fear, sarcasm & ridicule (old joke from the Army) #lrnchat
9:23:47 pm Jeffhurt: @peterflom Online learning like this gives you the ability to break & restore communication linearity. #lrnchat
9:23:47 pm mrch0mp3rs: @oxala75 Subversion is my business and brother business is a-boomin’ #lrnchat
9:24:02 pm bschlenker: #lrnchat is a great way to get all you cool people into my eLearning list😉 #lrnchat
9:24:12 pm moehlert: @hjarche🙂 That’s an actual Directive that came down from the last Dir. of Natl Intelligence – from need to know to need 2 share #lrnchat
9:24:12 pm BradStokes: @jwillensky “alpha wolves” I like #lrnchat
9:24:14 pm dwilkinsnh: Q2) Dominant “experts” might subvert real expertise of formal instructor or content #lrnchat
9:24:16 pm wlonline: @joe_deegan Yes, hv success with few B , not many #lrnchat
9:24:21 pm RobRobertson: @BradStokes Very true! #lrnchat
9:24:23 pm Quinnovator: @TerrenceWing Recognition an inhibitor? One of the reliable results as a motivator is the research outcome, I think. ? #lrnchat
9:24:26 pm chambo_online: Q2: Socme – there can be too much of a good thing. #lrnchat
9:24:27 pm Jeffhurt: @peterflom Learners can scroll back from the moment statements was posted, while interacting presently in the here-and-now #lrnchat
9:24:29 pm gminks: @TerrenceWing what happens if you are in an industry like mine that constantly changes, you need social contacts even when alone #lrnchat
9:24:32 pm kelly_smith01: No one expect the Spanish Inquistion or Twitter and IM tools for training or regular business tools #lrnchat
9:24:45 pm moehlert: @mrch0mp3rs The good ones are timeless my friend. #lrnchat
9:24:46 pm busynessgirl: Wow! I’ve out-exercised the CD (Depeche Mode) … yes, CD (in basement) and do not want to tax wireless satellite Internet. #lrnchat
9:24:46 pm RobRobertson: @tmiket Agreed Agreed! #lrnchat
9:24:47 pm gminks: me too!! RT @BradStokes: @jwillensky “alpha wolves” I like #lrnchat
9:24:48 pm cammybean: @dwilkinsnh @hjarche 2002 study at Sara Lee by Atos KPMG-80% of learning occurred spontaneously dring wrk http://bit.ly/CXoxN #lrnchat 2/2
9:24:49 pm tmiket: RT @bschlenker: #lrnchat is a great way to get all you cool people into my eLearning list😉 #lrnchat
9:25:01 pm tmiket: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q2) Dominant “experts” might subvert real expertise of formal instructor or content #lrnchat
9:25:03 pm mrch0mp3rs: @matt_murray leveraging content to perform at time of need = pull. LMS formats for content are difficult for media translation #lrnchat
9:25:05 pm kelly_smith01: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q2) Dominant “experts” might subvert real expertise of formal instructor or content #lrnchat
9:25:12 pm spotlearning: @bschlenker: Its sad when workers must leave work…to get…work/learning done. #lrnchat or bring pers. laptop to enable same…Arrgh.
9:25:12 pm jadekaz: Q2 That “social” is a current trend and trends are either disdained or used frivously #lrnchat
9:25:28 pm tmiket: Dang..you guys are on top of it tonight..yet again. #lrnchat
9:25:28 pm RobRobertson: RT @bschlenker: Its sad when workers must leave work in order to get onto a network that will allow them to get work/learning done. #lrnchat
9:25:32 pm gminks: Dr. Jeong’s (#fsu) Discussion Analysis Tool: http://mailer.fsu.edu/~ajeong/DAT/ #lrnchat
9:25:41 pm minutebio: RT @kelly_smith01: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q2) Dominant “experts” might subvert real expertise of formal instructor or content #lrnchat
9:25:54 pm bschlenker: @tmiket Dude, I love your twitter background design. Nice! #lrnchat
9:25:54 pm Quinnovator: @kellygarber pull together your network, or a ‘team’? Seriously, assessment can be #lrnchat
9:25:59 pm mrch0mp3rs: @cammybean Matches pretty closely with what @ArtPandscience tweeted earlier, too #lrnchat
9:26:00 pm oxala75: @dwilkinsnh true. always ran this risk when i taught bartenders #lrnchat
9:26:05 pm matt_murray: @mrch0mp3rs ahh I see. That’s a tough one for sure. #lrnchat
9:26:37 pm roninchef: What about those that just don’t want to deal with the social aspect? Ppl in my org pull a face when I try to describe the benefits #lrnchat
9:26:38 pm busynessgirl: Two kinds of social learning … we all work together to accomplish something OR we work individually but learn from each other. #lrnchat
9:26:39 pm chambo_online: Enemy to me following #lrnchat – having The Office on TV in the same room…argh. #lrnchat
9:26:50 pm Quinnovator: @kellygarber pull together your network, or a ‘team’? Seriously, assessment can be blended too #lrnchat (keyboard’s been drinking, not me)
9:27:04 pm tmiket: @bschlenker Thanks. Did it in #PPT #lrnchat
9:27:16 pm randomdazzle: I think people have always had to leave work to learn and get advice. It’s just that they had to log miles instead of log on. #lrnchat
9:27:18 pm dwilkinsnh: @oxala75 You taught bartenders? You must have learned a whole lot socially… ; ) #lrnchat
9:27:26 pm TerrenceWing: @chambo_online DVR #lrnchat
9:27:27 pm mrch0mp3rs: @jadekaz That’s the mindset. Without a direct tie to the business benefits in a commercial org, it’s hot today; gone tomorrow #lrnchat
9:27:37 pm hjarche: @cammybean several other studies cited in Jay Cross book on informal learning show ~80/20 split #lrnchat
9:27:40 pm tmiket: @oxala75 Taught bartenders? Sounds like some good stories behind that? #lrnchat
9:27:41 pm moehlert: @roninchef What is their pain point? #lrnchat
9:27:47 pm chambo_online: RT @busynessgirl: Two kinds of social learning … we all work togthr to accmplsh sumthing OR work ind. but learn from each other. #lrnchat
9:28:11 pm PearlFlipper: Q2) That social learning isn’t just a tool. It’s the way we learn, and now there are tools that help us do that faster, broader #lrnchat
9:28:15 pm marciamarcia: A moment of silence (amid smiles) as @nancyrubin points us to http://bit.ly/1GfhIT junction. #lrnchat
9:28:17 pm chambo_online: @TerrenceWing That presupposes Verizon sent me my DVR…lol. #lrnchat
9:28:18 pm andrewoshea: Not fair! Would like glass of red but not able to get it at work! #lrnchat
9:28:21 pm oxala75: @roninchef i know that face. it can only be overcome with WIIFM in-action examples. #lrnchat
9:28:21 pm urbie: @chambo_online not really – it takes care of the noise, the tweets ur not interested in – you come by when your interest is aroused #lrnchat
9:28:21 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @randomdazzle: I think people have always had to leave work to learn and get advice. they had to log miles instead of log on. #lrnchat
9:28:32 pm nancyrubin: Tie game (sorry World Series moment) #lrnchat
9:28:36 pm bschlenker: @matt_murray Interesting…Dealer.com? Would love to hear about your eLearning challenges. Do you like to give presentations? #lrnchat
9:28:46 pm oxala75: @tmiket because there are🙂 #lrnchat
9:28:47 pm ahravelo: @#lrnchat wish i could be there… follow tweetstream will have to do
9:28:56 pm busynessgirl: If you’ve read outliers, do you think that social learning is a problem for those who were raised with parents w/o social skills? #lrnchat
9:28:59 pm urbie: @chambo_online most of the online higher ed courses i’ve seen are like that – learn from each other #lrnchat
9:29:01 pm Priaak: @roninchef yes getting a business sponsor buy in is difficult #lrnchat
9:29:06 pm Jeffhurt: RT @randomdazzle: I think ppl have always had 2 leave work 2 learn. Its just that they had to log miles instead of log on. #lrnchat
9:29:12 pm nancyrubin: @marciamarcia I was watching these the other day and the Electric Company (I am dating myself)… #lrnchat
9:29:41 pm onEnterFrame: RT @bschlenker Its sad when workers must leave work in order to get onto a network that will allow them to get work/learning done. #lrnchat
9:29:47 pm TerrenceWing: @chambo_online RT @busynessgirl social learning, we all work togthr to accmplsh sumthing o work ind.but learn from each other. #lrnchat
9:30:01 pm tmiket: @ahravelo There is no “there” Tweetstream is it. #lrnchat
9:30:10 pm busynessgirl: @peterflom Well, if you show up at 5:30am for a tweet chat, you can help me avoid paying Palin! #lrnchat
9:30:15 pm roninchef: @moehlert Doing it. They see it as another thing to learn/do. Or it is a “So what” face. But it comes back to doing it. #lrnchat
9:30:19 pm bschlenker: @marciamarcia @nancyrubin I’m tearing up. LOVE conjunction junction. My band played an industrial/ska version in the day. #lrnchat
9:30:25 pm mrch0mp3rs: @roninchef Getting biz sponsor who actually commits vs. “saying” they’ll commit? very tough (imho) #lrnchat
9:30:42 pm chambo_online: @onEnterFrame Especially sad when those workers are K12 educators. #lrnchat
9:30:47 pm lrnchat: Q3) How do you create effective groups? #lrnchat
9:30:48 pm matt_murray: @bschlenker I love to present. What did you have in mind? #lrnchat
9:30:49 pm kellygarber: @Quinnovator yes, we can blend the learning and assessment – some tasks are critical to measure solo performance. right? #lrnchat
9:31:08 pm nancyrubin: Wikis for formal group work provide insight into how the group functioned and there are rich assessment opps in the history of pgs #lrnchat
9:31:09 pm dktoney: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are the downsides of focusing on learning socially amid formal learning programs? #lrnchat
9:31:14 pm gminks: and commits RESOURCES RT @mrch0mp3rs: @roninchef Getting biz sponsor who actually commits vs. “saying” theyll commit? very tough #lrnchat
9:31:16 pm hjarche: Peter Senge: indiv learning in orgs is irrelevant: value is created by teams & networks but only spreads through social networks #lrnchat
9:31:19 pm spotlearning: @busynessgirl I don’t think so. Sometimes soc. skills blossom in those even more than others…rebellion…or revolution? #lrnchat
9:31:20 pm PearlFlipper: Q2) Giving them ‘examples’ that make sense to them. #lrnchat
9:31:25 pm busynessgirl: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you create effective groups? // YAY!!! Really curious about this one. #lrnchat
9:31:30 pm dktoney: Q2) Difficult to summarize points from social interactions. #lrnchat
9:31:32 pm joe_deegan: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you create effective groups? #lrnchat
9:31:34 pm Jeffhurt: @lrnchat Clarify what you mean by effective groups #lrnchat
9:31:39 pm tmiket: Q3 Is it more effective to create the groups or to let the groups create themselves? #lrnchat
9:31:40 pm nancyrubin: @lrnchat Most effective groups I have seen usually have roles to perform each week. #lrnchat
9:31:43 pm peterflom: #lrnchat Q3 let them form on their own
9:31:47 pm jadekaz: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you create effective groups? #lrnchat
9:31:54 pm Quinnovator: @kellygarber agreed, I like to triangulate with several different forms of info #lrnchat
9:31:59 pm moehlert: @onEnterFrame I rail against our IT and firewall all the time but the truth is, as a DOD site we get attacked literally 3k per day #lrnchat
9:32:01 pm chambo_online: Q3 – my teaching partner’s PhD research…we group by social satisfaction…Self-identified A’s with A’s and Type B’s with B’s #lrnchat
9:32:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you create effective groups? #lrnchat
9:32:09 pm tmiket: #lrnchat created itselft with some key help of course (you know who you are.)
9:32:12 pm PearlFlipper: Q3) the best groups are mixed, like place cards at a dinner gathering, to ensure robust perspectives and interesting conversations #lrnchat
9:32:15 pm TerrenceWing: Do social problems translate into social learning too? #lrnchat
9:32:19 pm wlonline: Q3 Need some ground “rules” #lrnchat
9:32:20 pm butwait: @roninchef re: ppl pulling faces… I’ve been working the old Show & Tell angle. Try 2 find sites that’ll wow ’em, THEN explain how #lrnchat
9:32:22 pm tmiket: RT @jadekaz: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you create effective groups? #lrnchat
9:32:25 pm busynessgirl: Effective groups = not dysfunctional groups #lrnchat
9:32:43 pm moehlert: @hjarche Gotta love Senge and he prob wrote that in what ’90? #lrnchat
9:32:43 pm kelly_smith01: RT @hjarche: Peter Senge: indiv learning in orgs is irrelevant: value is created by teams/networks butspreads through social ntwrks #lrnchat
9:32:49 pm roninchef: @oxala75 My boss sees the value of me knowing about social learning and online collaboration. The time isn’t right yet for them. #lrnchat
9:32:50 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) Effective groups start w/ trust, self-efficacy, and shared interests – emphasis on *start*… #lrnchat
9:32:58 pm jadekaz: @peterflom Unless I know ppl, forming my own group is always ackward for me. #lrnchat
9:33:02 pm urbie: @tmiket create themselves? most effective when they can migrate as need/capability allows #lrnchat
9:33:06 pm nancyrubin: Lots of interest in new Map2.0 tools so online students can “find”others to connect with locally. #lrnchat
9:33:13 pm gminks: sorry to disagree but THIS is the best SHR video: http://bit.ly/OEgbZ #lrnchat
9:33:15 pm minutebio: To make groups effective – Tie to business goals, front line involved in design, topics/focus must be relevant to all members. #lrnchat
9:33:17 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat I think my word for the week is: give groups a model to understand the context of their group work, engage them w/ leadership.
9:33:19 pm Quinnovator: Q3: my experience: set clear expectations, provide guidance, balance diversity or let choose but let know the value of diversity #lrnchat
9:33:22 pm zaana: RT @hjarche Senge: indiv learning in orgs is irrelevant: value is creatd by teams & networks but only spreads through soc networks #lrnchat
9:33:24 pm moehlert: @roninchef The other powerful piece is be ready to tell them what they’re gonna STOP doing – don’t make it additive #lrnchat
9:33:24 pm PearlFlipper: Q3) in some groups, having the learners be a close match in terms of competencies or social groups to help them feel ‘part of’ #lrnchat
9:33:25 pm chambo_online: Effective groups=educational goal gets met utilizing all group talent. #lrnchat
9:33:30 pm moehlert: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you create effective groups? #lrnchat
9:33:30 pm TerrenceWing: @chambo_online Hulu, NBC.com or youtube, you’re still okay. #lrnchat
9:33:31 pm marciamarcia: Twitter Lists now available for everyone. Adding as fast as I can from #lrnchat to http://sn.im/lrnchat-list. Pls follow.
9:33:35 pm hjarche: @moehlert but Senge said it last week (again) based on more research & observation #lrnchat
9:33:39 pm Quinnovator: let know what is expected about how they work together #lrnchat
9:33:41 pm oxala75: @TerrenceWing yes, in my experience. still need to account for motives, angles and egos. #lrnchat
9:33:42 pm busynessgirl: @hjarche But if there are no individuals learning, then there are no ideas to spread? #lrnchat
9:33:46 pm butwait: Q3) We had faculty self-org based on their own sense of where they belong. Similar to pool lanes w/ “slow, medium, & fast” labels. #lrnchat
9:33:47 pm wlonline: RT @marciamarcia: Twitter Lists now available for everyone. Adding as fast as I can from #lrnchat to http://sn.im/lrnchat-list. Pls follow.
9:33:48 pm spotlearning: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you create effective groups? #lrnchat >> Diversity; enable communication/collaboration; challenge; tension; need.
9:33:54 pm Quinnovator: provide guidance about how to work together well, how to communicate #lrnchat
9:33:58 pm littleasklab: Seen some organizational shifts from focus on individual productivity to networked productivity – big social component #lrnchat
9:34:05 pm ndcollier: RT @marciamarcia: Twitter Lists now available for everyone. Adding as fast as I can from #lrnchat to http://sn.im/lrnchat-list. Pls follow.
9:34:06 pm oxala75: RT @wlonline Q3 Need some ground “rules” #lrnchat
9:34:16 pm randomdazzle: Q3 Create versus laissez faire. Is there no other choice? How about guiding and mentoring? #lrnchat
9:34:17 pm BradStokes: Two words direction/structure #lrnchat
9:34:17 pm chambo_online: @TerrenceWing God bless Hulu…LOVE it. #lrnchat
9:34:22 pm tmiket: @urbie isn’t that a form of re-creating? #lrnchat
9:34:24 pm busynessgirl: RT @Quinnovator: set clear expectations, provide guidance, balance diversity or let choose but let know the value of diversity #lrnchat
9:34:28 pm gminks: We did a project about this in school – on collaborative computer supported learning (CSCL): http://cscl.ginaminks.com/ #lrnchat
9:34:29 pm moehlert: @hjarche Well there you go.🙂 #lrnchat
9:34:31 pm RobRobertson: Q3 I find having a “mole” to challenge the topic/presenter can help create a strong open discussion/group sorta “good/bad cop” #lrnchat
9:34:39 pm PearlFlipper: Q3) Depends. What do we want them to learn? Executive leadership? Mix it up. But How to breastfeed may require someone with exper. #lrnchat
9:34:54 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat Okay… How did the guilds do it? They learned… in groups… to perform…
9:34:55 pm hjarche: @busynessgirl individuals may learn, but for the org, it doesn’t matter, unless they act upon it and then it becomes social #lrnchat
9:34:57 pm peterflom: well, bedtime for me. Time to curl up and do some solitary reading and learning #lrnchat
9:34:59 pm busynessgirl: Important to explain WHY using a group for the activity. I think @Quinnovator is dead right on this. Forgot about that. #lrnchat
9:34:59 pm moehlert: . RT @marciamarcia: Twitter Lists now available 4 everyone. Adding as fast as I can from #lrnchat to http://sn.im/lrnchat-list. Pls follow.
9:35:03 pm Priaak: Q3) The strategy used to create an effective group will vary based on required learning outcome… #lrnchat
9:35:05 pm eduinnovation: RT @hjarche Senge: indiv learning in orgs is irrelevant: value is creatd by teams + networks but only spreads through soc networks #lrnchat
9:35:09 pm PearlFlipper: Q3) Form the group around a shared goal, solution or idea. #lrnchat
9:35:10 pm kelly_smith01: Teams should have case studies (4 example) to learn socially & build a team #lrnchat
9:35:15 pm urbie: @spotlearning ideally, yes.. hopefully the interface technology is up to the task #lrnchat
9:35:23 pm minutebio: Members are facilitators…someone who applies the skills but also knows how to facilitate/teach #lrnchat
9:35:36 pm tmiket: @RobRobertson Devious…I like it. #lrnchat
9:35:44 pm lisagualtieri: Should @eLearnMag publish a weekly column with the highlights of #lrnchat?
9:35:48 pm chambo_online: Also depends on the medium (blended may be able to group differently than fully online) #lrnchat
9:35:54 pm gminks: @marciamarcia that snipeurl is private or deleted… #lrnchat
9:36:06 pm jadekaz: @wlonline your lists link isn’t working for me #lrnchat
9:36:09 pm oxala75: @RobRobertson ha! i like that. #lrnchat
9:36:13 pm wlonline: RT @gminks: We did a project about this in school – on collaborative computer supported learning (CSCL): http://cscl.ginaminks.com/ #lrnchat
9:36:24 pm urbie: @tmiket what’s wrong with that? sometimes training wastes resources – do you want logistics to get in the way of the experience? #lrnchat
9:36:27 pm busynessgirl: Hypothetical: 24 millennial students, want to foster learning in groups (work to be done outside of class). Suggestions? #lrnchat
9:36:42 pm PearlFlipper: Q3) I think Gladwell called them ‘mavens’, good to sprinkle a few in to help create connections. #lrnchat
9:36:46 pm wlonline: RT @lisagualtieri: Should @eLearnMag publish a weekly column with the highlights of #lrnchat?
9:36:48 pm moehlert: RT @lisagualtieri: Should @eLearnMag publish a weekly column with the highlights of #lrnchat? Awesome!! Yes!!
9:36:54 pm jadekaz: I like that. Give projects and form around those.RT @kelly_smith01: Teams should have case studies to learn socially & build a team #lrnchat
9:37:03 pm tmiket: @lisagualtieri yes #lrnchat
9:37:08 pm hjarche: @lisagualtieri plus some added commentary & analysis (would be appreciated) #lrnchat
9:37:16 pm gminks: RT @mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat Okay… How did the guilds do it? They learned… in groups… to perform… #lrnchat
9:37:18 pm Jeffhurt: Q3: Need groups that are collaborative & democratic, w/ community of varied voices. #lrnchat
9:37:19 pm wlonline: @busynessgirl High school students? #lrnchat
9:37:20 pm busynessgirl: RT @wlonline: RT @lisagualtieri: Should @eLearnMag publish a weekly column with the highlights of #lrnchat? AMEN! Awesome! #lrnchat
9:37:23 pm jwillensky: Q3 If no obvious division, give them a forum to discuss what groups are needed, desirable ground rules, etc. #lrnchat
9:37:24 pm PearlFlipper: Sure why not? RT @wlonline: RT @lisagualtieri: Should @eLearnMag publish a weekly column with the highlights of #lrnchat? #lrnchat
9:37:37 pm kellygarber: Q3 good mix of knowledge so that the “experts” can elevate their skills by teaching instead of being detached and bored. #lrnchat
9:37:38 pm tmiket: @urbie nothing wrong. I’m agreeing w/ you #lrnchat
9:37:50 pm PearlFlipper: RT @urbie: @tmiket create themselves? most effective when they can migrate as need/capability allows #lrnchat
9:37:57 pm minutebio: RT @jwillensky: Q3 If no obvious division, give them a forum to discuss what groups are needed, desirable ground rules, etc. #lrnchat
9:37:57 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) Not sure there’s such a thing as self created group. #lrnchat is run by experts & participants are all “high potentials” ; ) #lrnchat
9:38:05 pm Priaak: RT @Jeffhurt Q3: Need groups that are collaborative & democratic, w/ community of varied voices. #lrnchat
9:38:06 pm chambo_online: Self forming groups in fully online class lasting 6-8 weeks…almost don’t get formed in time to be effective. #lrnchat
9:38:08 pm busynessgirl: @wlonline JUST out of high school (Community College) … I’ve had two group projects go so-so … they cant’ communicate. ??? #lrnchat
9:38:14 pm wlonline: @jadekaz Ok… I started last night to build it and haven’t finished it, sorry #lrnchat
9:38:34 pm PearlFlipper: RT @nancyrubin: @lrnchat Most effective groups I have seen usually have roles to perform each week. <–She’s right. #lrnchat
9:38:42 pm oxala75: @lisagualtieri easy copy content, pre-chewed!🙂 #lrnchat
9:38:43 pm wlonline: RT @rjacquez: If you want to explore Social Language Learning, check out Livemocha.com, it’s very well done: http://bit.ly/1kVRM2 #lrnchat
9:39:01 pm busynessgirl: And that’s 60 minutes of exercise + #lrnchat
9:39:04 pm matt_murray: @bschlenker Are you in the automotive internet marketing industry? #lrnchat
9:39:07 pm TerrenceWing: @RobRobertson Trust Trust Trust. I can no longer trust training if there is a mole somewhere. #lrnchat
9:39:09 pm Quinnovator: @lisagualtieri I refuse to answer on the grounds someone might construe that as volunteering, and it’s NOT #lrnchat
9:39:12 pm eduinnovation: I call it Wisdom Stewardship surrounding, broadening, lrning, capturing, sharing best ideas + solutions http://twurl.nl/p33qmk #lrnchat
9:39:14 pm spotlearning: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q3)Not sure there’s such thing as self created group. #lrnchat is run by experts & parts are"high potentials" ; ) #lrnchat
9:39:16 pm moehlert: @Jeffhurt Collaborative sure, varied voices – OK – but democratic? Sure, as long as someone is gonna pull the trigger on something #lrnchat
9:39:27 pm dougsymington: RT @hjarche: If the CIA can use social media for learning, why can’t your org? #lrnchat
9:39:39 pm gminks: @busynessgirl you have to set ground rules to enforce communication. one prof I have requires us to fill out weekly surveys #lrnchat
9:39:40 pm HRMargo: RT @JeffHurt The more important a call or action is to our soul’s evolution, the more resistance we will feel toward pursuing it. #lrnchat
9:39:40 pm roninchef: @moehlert I need someone else to sell it and I’ll help them. I’m the guy in the Jedi costume telling you how awesome Star Wars is. #lrnchat
9:39:47 pm urbie: @dwilkinsnh in my kid’s online high school sometimes it’s learners who get it that create the breakout room – why inhibit that? #lrnchat
9:39:55 pm nancyrubin: Group discussion roles – http://bit.ly/4Fk4b1 #lrnchat
9:39:59 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh high potential for *what* is the question. Subversion, mayhem, jail time? #lrnchat
9:40:10 pm mrch0mp3rs: @busynessgirl In some ways, I kinda think YOU need to facilitate each group until they learn the ropes #lrnchat
9:40:15 pm NahumG: RT @marciamarcia: Twitter Lists now available for everyone. Adding as fast as I can from #lrnchat to http://sn.im/lrnchat-list. Pls follow.
9:40:16 pm PearlFlipper: Thanks #lrnchat for this topic. Frustrated explaining that Social Learning isn’t just about the technology . . . enjoy the outlet. #lrnchat
9:40:27 pm moehlert: @Jeffhurt Unless of course, we’re talking about "Communities" vice groups – I was thinking task-oriented. #lrnchat
9:40:31 pm wlonline: @busynessgirl Can we chat further after #lrnchat? May be later. Let’s use google wave. Might have few suggestions? Others interested?
9:40:39 pm mrch0mp3rs: @roninchef You need Black Swan Society, my friend. #lrnchat
9:40:43 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator All of the above. And also drunkeness… ; ) #lrnchat
9:40:51 pm tmiket: @Quinnovator You took the words right out of my mouth #lrnchat
9:40:59 pm RobRobertson: @TerrenceWing mole may not be the right term but the point is to demonstrate it is OK to disagree with the presenter and engage #lrnchat
9:41:04 pm jadekaz: Time for the entire cycle: storming, forming, norming….finally, performing #lrnchat
9:41:10 pm DeltaKnowledge: @zaana Prob with Senge is that science showed this social learning is actually an individual cognitive process #lrnchat
9:41:18 pm Jeffhurt: @moehlert Not democratic? Dictactorship then? Allow them to self-police & have ground rules established. #lrnchat
9:41:21 pm busynessgirl: @mrch0mp3rs You might be right, but if they won’t communicate … how to do it is tricky. #lrnchat
9:41:35 pm kellygarber: RT @nancyrubin: Group discussion roles – http://bit.ly/4Fk4b1 Well Said #lrnchat
9:45:10 pm mrch0mp3rs: @oxala75 Well, it keeps crashing on me. The crashing distracts me. I’ve only started 20 waves so far🙂 #lrnchat
9:45:11 pm busynessgirl: RT @moehlert: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @roninchef Obviously, we need a Black Swan Wave🙂 #lrnchat Hells Yes #lrnchat
9:45:12 pm kelly_smith01: RT @TerrenceWing: Better quest, how do you encourage effective groups to form? Instead of creating groupsPeople naturally group #lrnchat
9:45:24 pm spotlearning: @reward75 I like your “mantra”. You found the right group. #lrnchat
9:45:26 pm wlonline: @cammybean Do say hi🙂 #lrnchat
9:45:32 pm moehlert: @mrch0mp3rs Right. How about we look at where groups have formed & been successful and see what we can emulate? #lrnchat
9:45:33 pm urbie: maybe Paine had the right idea: http://bit.ly/15feMc – let the learners sort it out for themselves – role of facilitator: rehash #lrnchat
9:45:37 pm dwilkinsnh: @tmiket I think it depends. Sometimes there is more authenticity in “informal” leaders, but sometimes you want experiences leaders #lrnchat
9:45:42 pm busynessgirl: I’m actually in the midst of reading Black Swan. Anyone else read it (or reading it)? #lrnchat
9:45:43 pm kellygarber: RT @reward75: To get people to communicate they have to have something in common. Either they find it or you provide it. #lrnchat
9:45:55 pm mrch0mp3rs: @busynessgirl Is it A way? Yes. Is it a GOOD way? Probably not, but need more context #lrnchat
9:45:56 pm Quinnovator: @urbie now you made me go look up Tuckman’s model. Seems to me everywhere. #lrnchat
9:45:57 pm dwilkinsnh: @eduinnovation Thanks. Will definitely check it out. #lrnchat
9:45:59 pm eduinnovation: @DeltaKnowledge In other words, Social Learning is context, but learning is indiv cognitive process? #lrnchat
9:46:16 pm roninchef: @mrch0mp3rs By all means, make it so. #lrnchat
9:46:18 pm PearlFlipper: Who didn’t learn by making mistakes? Darn I just read somewhere that the mistakes actually help us learn. Where did I read that? #lrnchat
9:46:18 pm mrch0mp3rs: @busynessgirl I thought you were kidding hte other day. Link? #lrnchat
9:46:34 pm Quinnovator: @nancyrubin btw, thanks for pointer on voicethread, have tab open to check out #lrnchat
9:46:34 pm busynessgirl: @wlonline 7.75 hours from now. #lrnchat
9:46:43 pm tmiket: @dwilkinsnh Yes, experience doesn’t necessarly = formal though does it? #lrnchat
9:47:01 pm mrch0mp3rs: True RT @dwilkinsnh: @tmiket Sometimes there is more authenticity in “informal” leaders, but sometimes you want experiences leaders #lrnchat
9:47:03 pm chambo_online: @Quinnovator Voicethread (thumbs up) #lrnchat
9:47:24 pm tmiket: @PearlFlipper I just saw that too Scientific American? maybe? #lrnchat
9:47:35 pm Quinnovator: @cammybean and somehow they never get that you’d gladly trade and sleep! #lrnchat
9:47:36 pm PearlFlipper: RT @urbie: maybe Paine had the right idea: http://bit.ly/15feMc – let learners sort it out 4 themselves-role of facilitator: rehash #lrnchat
9:47:47 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @eduinnovation: @DeltaKnowledge In other words, Social Learning is context, but learning is indiv cognitive process? #lrnchat
9:48:07 pm Quinnovator: @busynessgirl well, failure is part of learning, if done right #lrnchat
9:48:08 pm gminks: @busynessgirl as a current student I think thats very unfair to allow that to happen. #lrnchat
9:48:11 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @moehlertHow about we look at where groups have formed & been successful and see what we can emulate? #lrnchat
9:48:18 pm eduinnovation: I wonder how Seth Godin would view this convo on groups. Maybe we are talking about Tribes? #lrnchat
9:48:25 pm gminks: Set rules so the real course objectives can be met, no one is there to learn to work in a group. I HATE that. #lrnchat
9:48:28 pm kellygarber: @PearlFlipper Maybe we just need to title the class “Trial and Error” and more people will be interested in signing up. #lrnchat
9:48:55 pm chambo_online: @mrch0mp3rs Social constructivism #lrnchat
9:49:05 pm jadekaz: @PearlFlipper I saw that article on mistakes helping learning, too. But I also read one that said we learn better from doing right. #lrnchat
9:49:10 pm urbie: @Quinnovator you’d need time to dilate. real-time happens too quickly #lrnchat
9:49:12 pm TerrenceWing: We’re a tribe withot a chief #lrnchat
9:49:14 pm Quinnovator: @chambo_online oh, was that you? Sorry. Blame it on the drinking… #lrnchat
9:49:20 pm nancyrubin: @eduinnovation I was just thinking that…http://bit.ly/14VqMv #lrnchat
9:49:26 pm spotlearning: @tmiket @PearlFlipper just had a student share his learn-by-mistakes premise in a social learning setting today #lrnchat
9:49:30 pm tmiket: @gminks Don’t we all have to work in groups in the real world? #lrnchat
9:49:35 pm PearlFlipper: RT @TerrenceWing: better question, how 2encourage effective groups 2form? Instead of creating eff. groups. People naturally group #lrnchat
9:49:47 pm reward75: Failure = Learning – Don’t we all wish more people learned from their mistakes #lrnchat
9:49:55 pm oxala75: @Quinnovator @busynessgirl group fail is good too, if done with proper review #lrnchat
9:49:59 pm urbie: moving to my mac – iPhone siezed trying to keep up #lrnchat
9:50:08 pm busynessgirl: @gminks I’ve called students, emailed them, talked to students before, during, and after class, but they won’t talk to each other. #lrnchat
9:50:28 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
9:50:29 pm PearlFlipper: RT @mrch0mp3rs: RT @moehlertHow about we look at where groups have formed & been successful and see what we can emulate? Like here. #lrnchat
9:50:30 pm chambo_online: #fail=learning what NOT to do… #lrnchat
9:50:38 pm urbie: @reward75 they do when given the freedom to screw up #lrnchat
9:50:39 pm randomdazzle: Musing about how one measures success of a group. #lrnchat
9:50:50 pm Quinnovator: @gminks actually businesses *beg* that students learn to work in a group, more than any particular curriculum! #lrnchat
9:50:55 pm littleasklab: @urbie been to any “open space” event like Mind Camp? Exemplifies self-select facilitation, content, etc. Vote value w/ your feet. #lrnchat
9:51:07 pm Quinnovator: @urbie ok, after-action reviews #lrnchat
9:51:09 pm wlonline: @gminks Do u think assessment of process not just the end result of group work ie report might help? #lrnchat
9:51:17 pm jadekaz: Found it! Learning from getting it right: http://bit.ly/37hufb #lrnchat
9:51:19 pm gminks: @tmiket I work in the real world. I’m in class w/ all sorts of ppl. I’m fine working in grp, not fine if prof doesn’t manage class #lrnchat
9:51:21 pm PearlFlipper: RT @urbie: @reward75 they do when given the freedom to screw up <– I was trying to think how to say that! #lrnchat
9:51:29 pm kellygarber: If it is social "trial and error" learning – taking a pretty good hit to confidence if setting them up to fail in front of peers. #lrnchat
9:51:32 pm mrch0mp3rs: @randomdazzle You can measure anything. Come on! What are the questions you'd most want answered? #lrnchat
9:51:34 pm tmiket: @chambo_online Great thomas edison quote on failure..I've learned many ways that it doesn't work. #lrnchat
9:51:42 pm TerrenceWing: Failure + coaching = learning RT @reward75: Failure = Learning – Don't we all wish more people learned from their mistakes #lrnchat
9:51:50 pm busynessgirl: @mrch0mp3rs Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/yknjomn #lrnchat
9:51:55 pm spotlearning: RT @urbie: moving to my mac – iPhone siezed trying to keep up #lrnchat iPhone #FAIL Wonder if there's an app for it to learn from that😉
9:51:55 pm Quinnovator: Amen. And others! RT @reward75: Failure = Learning – Don't we all wish more people learned from their mistakes #lrnchat
9:51:58 pm gminks: Clarifying my point: if you are going to have group work make sure that the processes for group work are defined. #lrnchat
9:52:07 pm urbie: @littleasklab i'm in higher-ed – every day #lrnchat
9:52:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @chambo_online: #fail=learning what NOT to do… #lrnchat
9:52:10 pm chambo_online: @busynessgirl Community college students? I teach them 2 – it is all forming community and trust to get them to speak 2 each other #lrnchat
9:52:14 pm Jeffhurt: @TerrenceWing we have several chiefs here that structure and facilitate the discussion. #lrnchat
9:52:22 pm kelly_smith01: RT randomdazzle Musing about how one measures success of a gr #lrnchat
9:52:34 pm nancyrubin: @wlonline Yes. Social tools make it easier to assess group process along with final product + peer evaluations of group members. #lrnchat
9:52:35 pm busynessgirl: @gminks So, do you think no group work outside of class? Just curious. #lrnchat
9:52:36 pm roninchef: @mrch0mp3rs Go watch a busy restaurant kitchen on a Friday night. Group is formed and groomed for success. #lrnchat
9:52:39 pm wlonline: @TerrenceWing There is some research on productive failure #lrnchat
9:52:39 pm gminks: @busynessgirl but did you make communication part of the grade? #lrnchat
9:52:46 pm Quinnovator: wow, that time already? Another great #lrnchat, all, THANKS!
9:52:53 pm PearlFlipper: @TerrenceWing Exactly! Failure+Coaching means the learning sticks too! #lrnchat
9:53:02 pm moehlert: @lrnchat Mark Oehlert-outside Washington DC. SoMe, Virtual Worlds, Innovation, Anthro, help me here: http://tinyurl.com/nlvud #lrnchat
9:53:11 pm ThomasStone: Hi all… sorry to have missed #lrnchat this evening… but watching the World Series takes priority!
9:53:13 pm TerrenceWing: Chief or Facilitator RT @Jeffhurt: @TerrenceWing we have several chiefs here that structure and facilitate the discussion. #lrnchat
9:53:16 pm wlonline: @busynessgirl @gminks We do have group work outside of class #lrnchat
9:53:16 pm busynessgirl: @wlonline How about 6am EDT in Google Wave to continue conversation. #lrnchat
9:53:37 pm gminks: @Quinnovator but that group work has to be designed, or it can fall to pieces. And the content of the class isnt learned. #lrnchat
9:53:42 pm dwilkinsnh: @tmiket Yeah absolutely. Experience != formal. Experience = experience, wherever it comes from… #lrnchat
9:53:44 pm Quinnovator: @kellygarber gotta make failing safe, first. Cf Brown & Palincsar's reciprocal teaching #lrnchat
9:53:45 pm busynessgirl: @gminks Yes, each group member had to report on their contribution to the group. And one got graded SOLELY on being the leader. #lrnchat
9:53:51 pm eduinnovation: @wlonline I think that is hugely important. I review and reflect on process w/ my Prof Learn Comm. all the time. #lrnchat
9:53:54 pm PearlFlipper: The group has to measure their own success (process), whereas we have to measure the success (outcome). Both need measurement. #lrnchat
9:54:10 pm wlonline: RT @busynessgirl: @wlonline How about 6am EDT in Google Wave to continue conversation. #lrnchat <– Yes, and any one else interested
9:54:10 pm chambo_online: Practice doesn't make perfect – it just makes muscle memory. Practicing #fails = … #lrnchat
9:54:13 pm gminks: not sure I follow … RT @busynessgirl: @gminks So, do you think no group work outside of class? Just curious. #lrnchat
9:54:15 pm tmiket: Mike Taylor Learning Developer in Columbus, OH trying to ignore the pile of Halloween candy in front of me #lrnchat
9:54:15 pm moehlert: RT @wlonline: @TerrenceWing There is some research on productive failure #lrnchat Its called Game Design😉
9:54:22 pm randomdazzle: Success for one? For all? For individual learning? For organizational learning? Point is – need to define success first. #lrnchat
9:54:31 pm busynessgirl: Wrap up: Teach college math in Michigan, figuring out how to hack higher ed, writing dissertation, exercising on bike! (still) #lrnchat
9:54:36 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat Aaron Silvers, Chicago http://bit.ly/KWcdZ If you're at #dl09, I hope you'll catch up with me, grab a bite/drink
9:54:52 pm kelly_smith01: RT @gminks: Clarifying my point: if you are going to have group work make sure that the processes for group work are defined. #lrnchat
9:54:54 pm wlonline: RT @moehlert: RT @wlonline: @TerrenceWing There is some research on productive failure #lrnchat Its called Game Design😉 <- LOL
9:55:06 pm RobRobertson: @lrnchat are we going to an "in person" lrnchat in San Jose? Make sure folks are compliant with the consumption rules?🙂 #lrnchat
9:55:11 pm busynessgirl: @gminks Hard to monitor how the groups are functioning when not under direct supervision. #lrnchat
9:55:15 pm chambo_online: RT @PearlFlipper: The group has 2 measure their own success (process); we have 2 measure the sccss (outcome). Both nd measurement. #lrnchat
9:55:15 pm Quinnovator: @gminks agreed, needs things I mentioned at beginning, expectations, guidance, …. #lrnchat
9:55:16 pm TerrenceWing: A must RT @Quinnovator: @kellygarber gotta make failing safe, first. Cf Brown & Palincsar's reciprocal teaching #lrnchat
9:55:18 pm Jeffhurt: Networked learning, committed to vision of social that stresses cooperation, interactivity, mutual benefit & social engagement. #lrnchat
9:55:20 pm ThomasStone: Also, I hope the work @dwilkinsnh and I did last Friday will bring more good folks to #lrnchat; we talked it up in Phoenix at @ASTD_VOS
9:55:22 pm tmiket: @dwilkinsnh Curious to hear about your take on that sometime experience=formal #lrnchat
9:55:26 pm matt_murray: Matt Murray, Training Manager Dealer.com. Assembling a team of workplace learning superstars. The blog: http://etrainertalk.com #lrnchat
9:55:41 pm busynessgirl: @mrch0mp3rs I hope you appreciate the snarkiness of the link I sent you.😉 #lrnchat
9:55:42 pm oxala75: craig wiggins. elearning jockey for the fed'ral gubmit. outside Washington DC. in favor of Google Waves for pre- & post-#lrnchat discussion
9:55:46 pm wlonline: Wrap up WL Wong, ICT, uni, Sydney; mom of 2 gamers #lrnchat
9:55:49 pm PearlFlipper: Week 10 of 16 teaching class, and then I'm eager to jump back into #lrnchat on time with a valid reason to sip more than knowledge. #lrnchat
9:55:57 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith ISD Performance nomad – North Texas #lrnchat
9:56:04 pm reward75: Regina Ward, Jack of all training things NYC – looking for ways to manage knowledge in a conservative organization #lrnchat
9:56:07 pm minutebio: It's been great, thanks. Jeff, e-Learning Designer, Baltimore, MD, USA #lrnchat
9:56:09 pm eduinnovation: Wrap up: Educ admin from Orange County, CA. Work a lot with Prof. Learning Communities. Love #lrnchat
9:56:11 pm jwillensky: Good night, #lrnchat . Jason Willensky, Phoenix. Sorry to miss #dl09 !
9:56:15 pm mrch0mp3rs: @busynessgirl Keep on riding! #lrnchat
9:56:19 pm jadekaz: Jade Kazmierski, Milwaukee, ID and elearning developer in corp. IPT student at BSU. #lrnchat
9:56:20 pm urbie: urbie delgado [http://www.ifthenmaybe.com], instructional designer, unlv – distance learning🙂 #lrnchat
9:56:23 pm chambo_online: Lisa Chamberlin – freelance online educator – procrastinator of correcting by using #lrnchat as an excuse. Chesapeake, VA #lrnchat
9:56:35 pm kellygarber: Qwrap) Kelly Garber, freelance ISD – when you have one project too many, I'm a tweet away. #lrnchat
9:56:44 pm Quinnovator: @chambo_online I like the line "amateurs practice 'til they get it right, pros practice 'til they can't get it wrong" #lrnchat
9:56:45 pm TerrenceWing: RT @wlonline @moehlert: @wlonline: @TerrenceWing There is some research on productive failure #lrnchat Its called Game Design😉 <- LOL
9:56:46 pm Jeffhurt: Thanks for chat all – Director of Education & Events for national nonprofit #lrnchat
9:56:51 pm busynessgirl: Many calories burned tonight. Thanks all for being my personal trainers … you may have no idea just what's at stake! #lrnchat
9:57:02 pm wlonline: @gminks Ok we will ping you #lrnchat (and @busynessgirl)
9:57:14 pm jilliant: Jillian Torres in Vermont – who only lurked tonight. Thanks all! #lrnchat
9:57:23 pm spotlearning: QWrap: Joe Fournier, e-Learning, SoMe, Learning Strategy. Looking 4 next career move to help fix messy problems with engaging lrng. #lrnchat
9:57:27 pm PearlFlipper: Laura landlocked in the middle of the US, daytime VP Innovation. Nightime dog lover. Sometime grad. professor. Glad 2 tweetchat! #lrnchat
9:57:32 pm Quinnovator: @ThomasStone always room for more good folks; thanks for the promo! #lrnchat
9:57:32 pm gminks: @busynessgirl my profs do surveys. you submit one for each group member every week on how you think they worked w the group #lrnchat
9:57:35 pm dwilkinsnh: @tmiket Not sure I ever said experience = formal, sorry if I implied. I don't even like the term UGC because most U's are experts. #lrnchat
9:57:45 pm nancyrubin: Thanks all! – Nancy Rubin – Curriculum Specialist, Kaplan University – South Florida USA #lrnchat
9:57:58 pm Priaak: Thanks all. Will have to read the transcript. sivapriya from san Mateo, CA #lrnchat
9:57:59 pm Jeffhurt: @busynessgirl I'm impressed you can do that. HTs to you. #lrnchat
9:58:03 pm BradStokes: Brad Stokes http://www.mtraining.com.au Education Designer/Web everything person #lrnchat
9:58:08 pm roninchef: Mason Masteka Elearning Developer in Portland, Maine. Multi Media generalist. Good chatting with you all. #lrnchat
9:58:20 pm dwilkinsnh: David Wilkins, Executive Director of Product Marketing at Learn.com and high potential for mayhem and jail time… ; ) #lrnchat
9:58:23 pm RobRobertson: @lrnchat Qwrap: Working in the corp space in learning architecture…banging the social learning drum #lrnchat
9:58:36 pm BradStokes: Night all, or good day for those in Oz🙂 #lrnchat
9:58:37 pm jwillensky: Must say that @ThomasStone , @dwilkinsnh , and @odguru were great advocates for social media / learning at #vosastd #lrnchat
9:58:42 pm Quinnovator: as always, so grateful for all the fabulous contributions to #lrnchat
9:58:47 pm andrewoshea: Andrew O'Shea- Corporate Trainer – Melb Oz. Thanks all from a virgin. Not any more! #lrnchat
9:59:02 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, DC area,(was a lurker tonight, distracted by work) looking forward to transcript & signing off #lrnchat
9:59:03 pm PearlFlipper: @spotlearning thought you said engagement ring lol "Looking 4 next career move to help fix messy problems with engaging lrng." #lrnchat
9:59:14 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls remember to submit Qs & theme ideas for upcoming chats at http://sn.im/lrnchat. See u next week!
9:59:23 pm marciamarcia: Marcia Conner, improving work & collaboration by helping people get back to the basics of learning from one another. #lrnchat
9:59:35 pm gminks: Gina – MA – FSU grad student, EMC technical course developer, blogger, & community manager http://bit.ly/C32rh #lrnchat
9:59:37 pm dwilkinsnh: @jwillensky Thanks Jason. I had a great time. Great crowd. #vosastd #lrnchat
9:59:48 pm urbie: great article on productive failure: Learning Inquiry, v3 n1 p1-19 Apr 2009 #lrnchat – not making mistakes? you're a savant or ? #lrnchat
10:00:55 pm Jeffhurt: Thanks Moderators @Quinnovator @marciamarcia @moehlert [& @koreenolbrish @janebozarth if U were lurking] #lrnchat
10:01:01 pm PearlFlipper: @reward75 Good luck to you. This group is a start! #lrnchat
10:01:13 pm kelly_smith01: Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow #lrnchat
10:01:38 pm TerrenceWing: Terrence Wing http://bit.ly/4gwtHW Loved tonight. Must where wrist brace next week. Tips on E-learning very welcome #lrnchat
10:01:54 pm spotlearning: @PearlFlipper My wife would be quite upset if I was looking for an engagement ring now…diamond 4 her – yes…engagement – no. #lrnchat
10:01:59 pm Quinnovator: thought: what works in #lrnchat is parallelism; multiple threads can work in simultaneity, cf old work on asynch vs classroom (pub in '83)
10:02:12 pm tmiket: @dwilkinsnh Funny story, my boss was impressed by your keynote and was excited to tell me about #lrnchat She said you were great.
10:02:28 pm tonya_simmons: bah! missed #lrnchat again tonight, well maybe next week
10:02:48 pm butwait: Wrap) Shelley, wiki wrangler | 250+ unusual coll. lists (e.g. ballet for non-majors? jazz studies?): http://bit.ly/collegewiki #lrnchat
10:03:32 pm PearlFlipper: @tonya_simmons Tonya, upload a photo and come back next week! #lrnchat
10:03:44 pm allonsdanser: RT @jwillensky: Must say that @ThomasStone , @dwilkinsnh , and @odguru were great advocates for social media / learning at #vosastd #lrnchat
10:04:39 pm Jeffhurt: @Quinnovator Yes, parallelism, polylogues, supersynchrony http://bit.ly/3FKoH3 #lrnchat
10:06:12 pm marciamarcia: @JeffHurt Thanks for joining us. Always grt to have a lively crowd for #lrnchat
10:06:21 pm mrch0mp3rs: @busynessgirl That’s like some ROFLs with syrup #lrnchat
10:06:43 pm zaana: RT @DeltaKnowledge ie: Splitting social and personal learning is problematic. It's all mixed together. #lrnchat
10:06:51 pm mrch0mp3rs: Link for a pre/post #lrnchat Wave is here: http://bit.ly/2hxuPK Plz let me know if you can’t get in

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