Transcript 15 Oct 2009

8:30:00 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
8:30:20 pm hjarche: @dwilkinsnh won’t it be nice when an OS platform replaces Twitter😉 #lrnchat
8:30:29 pm KoreenOlbrish: @lrnchat I’ve been great. Ready to rumble in #lrnchat
8:30:37 pm ranig2u: @mrch0mp3rs – inspired me to get fine with wine! #lrnchat
8:30:47 pm mrch0mp3rs: OOC, does PLN = “Personal Learning Network?” #lrnchat
8:31:03 pm moehlert: @lrnchat Hi All. Allergies been kicking my butt – but hanging in there. #lrnchat
8:31:14 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:31:20 pm gps03: RT @JaneBozarth: Followers: pardon the flood of tweets that is #lrnchat. Or join us! #lrnchat
8:31:27 pm roninchef: @tgrevatt It is pretty cold in here tonight. I don’t think she’s going to budge. #lrnchat
8:31:33 pm dwilkinsnh: @hjarche lol, ummmm… #lrnchat
8:31:36 pm mrch0mp3rs: @ranig2u As John Lennon once said, “whatever gets you through the night is alright.” #lrnchat
8:31:48 pm kelly_smith01: Tweeting 4 lrnchat in an old washing machine box in my attic #lrnchat
8:31:52 pm kasey428: @JefeGORavens Welcome! #lrnchat
8:31:58 pm jaycross: Doing #lrnchat Expect heavy traffic
8:32:15 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
8:32:19 pm JaneBozarth: Hello from Planet Jane. I just keep celebs alive on Thursdays. I don’t control off-again retirements and balloon trips. #lrnchat
8:32:32 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @kelly_smith01: Tweeting 4 lrnchat in an old washing machine box in my attic #lrnchat
8:32:35 pm ranig2u: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics? #lrnchat
8:32:40 pm moehlert: People Who Follow Me For Whatever Reason: Next 90 mins will be tons o’ tweets about learning and training. Feel free to jump in– #lrnchat
8:32:50 pm mpetersell: Mike Petersell/CT/Management Development/e-learning/learning with social media/instructional design #lrnchat
8:33:04 pm roninchef: @mrch0mp3rs If it’s #lrnchat the L in PLN stands for libation. #lrnchat
8:33:15 pm ThomasStone: Thomas Stone, from Element K in Rochester, NY… participating in #lrnchat discussion for the next 90 minutes.
8:33:15 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
8:33:21 pm jimsky7: Traffic on #lrnchat (starting now) will be lighter than last night on the SF Bay Bridge. #lrnchat
8:33:29 pm center4EduPunx: #lrnchat Kae from Colorado – instructional designer – serious games, virtual worlds, immersive environments and learner engagement
8:33:30 pm SueSchnorr: Followers: pardon the flood of tweets that is #lrnchat. Or join us! #lrnchat
8:33:30 pm tgrevatt: Apologies to my non-lrnchat tweeps, I’m in the weekly tweet chat on all things learning #lrnchat it’s a vibrant tweetchat gang
8:33:31 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith somewhere in Texas ISD and Performance Improvement person #lrnchat
8:33:31 pm JaneBozarth: Raleigh NC, geek, tilting at windmills this week. Love designing learning. Love ah-ha moments. #lrnchat
8:33:33 pm everyselearning: Getting ready for tonight’s Dreamweaver webinar while joining in on #lrnchat
8:33:34 pm joe_deegan: Hello #lrnchat Instructional Design/eLearning Dev – Sacramento – Excited I could make it tonight #lrnchat
8:33:39 pm jaycross: Jay Cross, Berkeley, visionary and stamp collector, love #lrnchat
8:33:45 pm tonnet: RT @jaycross Doing #lrnchat Expect heavy traffic
8:33:56 pm cindyhugg: Missing #lrnchat tonight because I’m delivering a virtual training session 2nite. Nighttime for me – daytime for them. Have fun!
8:33:58 pm barrydahl: Barry Dahl at Lake Superior College in Duluth, MN. Focus on eLearning and Teaching with Technology. Giving up poker for #lrnchat
8:33:59 pm JaneBozarth: …but developmentally incapable of remembering the %&$* hashtag!! #lrnchat
8:34:00 pm dwilkinsnh: @gps03 I suspect we’ll see a lot more of that soon – problem is that we’re still using a central service, needs to distributed #lrnchat
8:34:05 pm jwillensky: Jason Willensky, ID mercenary, Phoenix, AZ. excited to learn more about metrics/measurements #lrnchat
8:34:05 pm gps03: Greg Sweet, training specialist, NYS Dept of health. Albany NY. CBRNE preparedness and response. Sync. learning/social media/Rugby. #lrnchat
8:34:08 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat Aaron Silvers, Learning Strategist and Consultant in Chicago, IL. I’m into social media, knowledge exchange and karaoke.
8:34:16 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in.
8:34:17 pm JefeGORavens: Kevin Cournoyer / Baltimore City / learning about using social media in the classroom and promoting soc. media in schools #lrnchat
8:34:19 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, Client Engagement Mgr., elearning, performance consulting, training, project mgr., yada, yada, yada… #lrnchat
8:34:26 pm joe_deegan: @jimsky7 Did that new curve get you. Adds a little excitement on the trip over the Bay. #lrnchat
8:34:34 pm hjarche: @JaneBozarth Hi Jane – see you next week in TO #lrnchat
8:34:45 pm moehlert: @lrnchat Mark Oehlert here from outside Washington, DC . Virtual worlds, emerging tech, anthro, learning, innovation/awesomeness #lrnchat
8:34:50 pm SueSchnorr: Hi #lrnchat Instructional Designer/ Learning Consultant – Rochester, NY
8:34:58 pm mrch0mp3rs: People Who Follow Me : Next 90 mins will be tons o’ tweets about learning and training. Feel free to jump in– #lrnchat (via @moehlert)
8:35:01 pm JaneBozarth: @gps03 You been googling?#lrnchat
8:35:10 pm jsuzcampos: Jeannette Campos, New Hampshire, learning designer, and all that good stuff. #lrnchat
8:35:11 pm J_Schulz: John Schulz, Chicago, Instructional Design/Learning Tech/Performance Improvement #lrnchat
8:35:11 pm roninchef: Ahoy, ahoy! Mason Masteka Elearning Developer in Portland ME. Open Source advocate and fanboy of all things Googley. #lrnchat
8:35:23 pm jaycross: Lots of revised avatar photos today. Bad hair day? Trying to look younger? We’ll still love you in the morning. #lrnchat
8:35:27 pm dwilkinsnh: David Wilkins, coach of an awesome U-11 girls soccer team, an equally awesome U-8 team, and a lover of things Soc Med, esp #lrnchat
8:35:34 pm randomdazzle: Robby Robson, Corvallis, Oregon. Poetry, Geometry, and Wishful Thinking applied to learning, education and training #lrnchat
8:35:40 pm JaneBozarth: I have a slide rule that belonged to my dad. Will I be needing that tonigh? #lrnchat
8:35:40 pm lrnchat: 6) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com, http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well.
8:35:42 pm Priaak: Sivapriya, San Mateo, CA… elearning, ID. #lrnchat
8:35:45 pm gps03: @JaneBozarth But of course! #lrnchat
8:35:49 pm J_Schulz: @mrch0mp3rs Ooooo, I like that … Learning Strategist. May need to use that later. #lrnchat
8:35:51 pm hjarche: Harold Jarche – cyclist who tries to consult on learning stuff on the web so he can buy a new bike #lrnchat
8:35:51 pm tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, Ames IA production designer for Phasient Learning Technology #lrnchat
8:35:52 pm ranig2u: Rani Gill / Bay Area / looking for work in all the wrong places / visual learning / ID #lrnchat
8:35:53 pm Digin4ed: Terry Eberhart, Rochester NY, Higher Ed, learning, teaching with tech, neuroscience #lrnchat
8:35:56 pm KoreenOlbrish: Koreen Olbrish, Philly-ish, virt worlds, games, leveraging tech 4 learning. Embarrassed I think THIS is cold, I’m from MI, dammit! #lrnchat
8:36:13 pm lrnchat: 7) 10 min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
8:36:19 pm tgrevatt: Treena Grevatt, Ottawa, SoMe & DGBL enthusiast, recovering physicist #lrnchat
8:36:26 pm sahana2802: Sahana, Pune, India. Currently in Fairfield, CT. Grappling with the cold and enjoying learning. ID, learner, #lrnchat
8:36:27 pm dwilkinsnh: @jwillensky ID mercenary — I love it. Go kill some SME’s… ; ) #lrnchat
8:36:33 pm jsuzcampos: @dwilkinsnh love the new profile photo dave, and soccer is going to be c~o~l~d this week-end! #lrnchat
8:36:33 pm hjarche: @jaycross bad hair day? no hair day! #lrnchat
8:36:40 pm moehlert: @jaycross “I’m older than I once was and younger than I’ll be” Paul Simon #lrnchat
8:36:56 pm JaneBozarth: If @oxala75 were here he’d tell you he’s an “elearning jockey”– I just love that. #lrnchat
8:37:10 pm marciamarcia: Marcia Conner, #lrnchat founder, VA mtns, currently focus mostly on social messaging but can’t get away from learning nonstop.
8:37:16 pm everyselearning: Myra Rhodes Everyone’s E-Learning Inc. 1st set of courses Dreamweaver CS4 Levels 1 and 2 #lrnchat
8:37:18 pm tgrevatt: @hjarche Our local high end bike store has fab coffee, free wi-fi and is my new fave business mtg spot. #lrnchat
8:37:25 pm lrnchat: NEW 8) Please RT important points and vital questions asked for clarification, so we don’t miss them amid the lively and fast-paced #lrnchat
8:37:28 pm jwillensky: @dwilkinsnh What’s the rate per head? #lrnchat
8:37:44 pm mrch0mp3rs: @hjarche Guys like us have inverse hair days. The chins stay warm #amiright? #lrnchat
8:37:56 pm tonnet: Milton Ramirez, 1st. time attendee, educator, social media doesn’t love us and following you from NY/NJ. Yes, I am in between! #lrnchat
8:38:13 pm kelly_smith01: RT @moehlert: @jaycross “Im older than I once was and younger than Ill be” Paul Simon <–That Dylan not Simon My Back Pages #lrnchat
8:38:15 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome, also check out @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:38:18 pm KoreenOlbrish: @JaneBozarth yeah, where is our fav elearning jockey? i have some bizness with him… #lrnchat
8:38:23 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Looking for some good 80's tunes – feel free to send suggestions amidst talk of metrics and such🙂
8:38:28 pm hjarche: @tgrevatt I gotta get to Ottawa #lrnchat
8:38:34 pm barrydahl: I just became a member of the Twub for #lrnchat at http://twubs.com/lrnchat
8:38:47 pm jsuzcampos: @tonnet Welcome Milton! #lrnchat
8:38:48 pm jaycross: CSN: I'm younger than that now. #lrnchat
8:38:48 pm JaneBozarth: @tonnet Welcome! #lrnchat
8:38:59 pm mrch0mp3rs: @tonnet Welcome!!!! #lrnchat
8:39:01 pm odguru: #lrnchat
8:39:16 pm JaneBozarth: @KoreenOlbrish I don't think I've seen him today. #lrnchat
8:39:19 pm jaycross: Learned more about Community Maturity Model in a webinar this morning. #lrnchat
8:39:20 pm mpetersell: @tonnet welcome milton – this is my second; you are in for a tweet-treat #lrnchat
8:39:23 pm dwilkinsnh: @jwillensky From my experience $60k easy… ; ) #lrnchat
8:39:25 pm lrnchat: @tonnet Great to see you here. Welcome to #lrnchat!
8:39:27 pm kasey428: @tonnet Welcome to tweet-frenzy. #lrnchat
8:39:51 pm mrch0mp3rs: I've learned that clam chowder is tasty. #lrnchat
8:39:54 pm KoreenOlbrish: @tonnet welcome…usually @quinnovator sends out the drinking rules…now where are they again? #lrnchat
8:39:59 pm mpetersell: @jaycross dylan my back pages #lrnchat
8:40:14 pm kelly_smith01: Sorry come 2 think of it @moehlert: @jaycross – That was similar to Dylan – never mind back to level 4 eval #lrnchat
8:40:14 pm JaneBozarth: I learned how to take screenshots w/ my iPhone, and about using facebook as CMS #lrnchat
8:40:24 pm hjarche: @jaycross post link on Comm Maturity Model, svp #lrnchat
8:40:30 pm kzenovka: I'm searching for #lrnchat live on TweetGrid Search – http://tweetgrid.com/search?q=%23lrnchat
8:40:37 pm ArtPandscience: APQC has a maturity model for communities… Was that it? #lrnchat
8:40:42 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth I saw him comment on Balloon Boy earlier. #lrnchat
8:40:43 pm ranig2u: learned about public waves on google wave via lifehacker #lrnchat
8:40:46 pm kasey428: @jaycross: B. Dylan, My Back Pages: "I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now." #lrnchat
8:41:06 pm JaneBozarth: @KoreenOlbrish Shh…don't tell @quinnovator, but you really don't need rules to drink #lrnchat
8:41:08 pm J_Schulz: @jaycross Me too! I like @rhappe's model. Easy to discuss. #lrnchat
8:41:14 pm KoreenOlbrish: I've learned that Norwegians are pretty into innovation in learning #lrnchat
8:41:20 pm joe_deegan: I just learned how sweet tweetchat is for #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:41:26 pm barrydahl: I learned about some unknown issues popping up lately about proctoring exams for online students from other schools. #lrnchat
8:41:26 pm tonya_simmons: I learned all about electricity and phase circuits this week #lrnchat
8:41:32 pm J_Schulz: @mrch0mp3rs But the question is New England, or Manhattan? #lrnchat
8:41:33 pm mrch0mp3rs: @ArtPandscience Welcome Art! #lrnchat
8:41:34 pm JaneBozarth: @roninchef Well now we see his priorities, don't we? #lrnchat
8:41:51 pm jaycross: @hjarche I blogged about Community Maturity Model today at http://internettime.com #lrnchat
8:42:00 pm kelly_smith01: I "read-up" on Just In Time Training and saw a balloon w/o 6 year old shaped like a mushroom #lrnchat
8:42:04 pm kzenovka: I learned Tweetdeck is having problems so switched to tweetgrid just now. #lrnchat
8:42:12 pm JaneBozarth: Others see today that Finland made broadband access a right? #lrnchat
8:42:17 pm gps03: @JaneBozarth if you don;t have rule how do know if you win? #lrnchat
8:42:25 pm dwilkinsnh: @KoreenOlbrish Aren't the drinking rules like "drink anytime you tweet, read a tweet, get mentioned or get a DM?" That's how I play #lrnchat
8:42:28 pm KoreenOlbrish: @J_Schulz always New England, always #lrnchat
8:42:29 pm mrch0mp3rs: @J_Schulz New England. Never had it before, but @ggelling makes a good chowdah. That sounds wrong. #lrnchat
8:42:31 pm joe_deegan: I learned how much I hate making updates to old eLearning courses #lrnchat
8:42:34 pm tonya_simmons: and I learned that just b/c a toddler doesn't use the potty doesn't mean he doesn't HAVE to use to the potty #lrnchat
8:42:42 pm marciamarcia: This week I learned kids grow out of their clothes quickly. That's a good thing, just a lesson you need to learn again & again. Q0 #lrnchat
8:42:53 pm bschlenker: Q0: This week I learned that I totally have a shot at a Nobel prize #lrnchat
8:43:01 pm kasey428: I learned that MC will always need executive cheerleading for innovation to be taken seriously. #lrnchat
8:43:05 pm ranig2u: RT @JaneBozarth: Others see today that Finland made broadband access a right? – yes, very cool! #lrnchat
8:43:06 pm jaycross: RT @J_Schulz: @mrch0mp3rs But the question is New England, or Manhattan? | New England is the real deal. Manhattan is tomato soup. #lrnchat
8:43:06 pm KevinDJones: I learned that people say they want social media in an org, but when it is there for them, they get scared and start sweating. #lrnchat
8:43:06 pm odguru: Blogged about #lrnchat this week. http://odscore.wordpress.com/
8:43:07 pm JaneBozarth: @gps03 Same as with golf. If you don't have rules then you can't cheat. #lrnchat
8:43:07 pm mobilemind: I learned how to write a simple python script to shorten a URL and make it a keyboard shortcut on Mac. Geeky, huh. #lrnchat
8:43:08 pm tonnet: Thanks for all kindly welcomes @jsuzcampos @JaneBozarth @mrch0mp3rs @mpetersell @Irnchat @ksey428 @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat
8:43:10 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @jaycross @hjarche I blogged about Community Maturity Model today at http://internettime.com #lrnchat
8:43:19 pm barrydahl: I learned that the insurance company was really serious about us getting rid of our trampoline, or else. They're no fun. #lrnchat
8:43:23 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish Absolutely! #lrnchat
8:43:23 pm moehlert: @kelly_smith01 I was thinking "The Boxer" lyics #lrnchat
8:43:27 pm jwillensky: Q0 Learned to accept my lack of Google Wave. Then I got it. Now must learn to accept my lack of Google Wave sherpa. #lrnchat
8:43:27 pm ArtPandscience: ArtP is in Schaumburg, IL interested in all types of e-learning and simulation. nice to be here #lrnchat
8:43:31 pm JaneBozarth: Ccopy that. RT @joe_deegan: I learned how much I hate making updates to old eLearning courses #lrnchat
8:43:33 pm stickylearning: At son's swimming lesson today so no #lrnchat for me
8:43:35 pm kelly_smith01: For tonight new drinking "terms" Kirkpatrick and Level (any) #lrnchat
8:43:40 pm jsuzcampos: Q0 learned that many times it is better to say nothing at all. #lrnchat
8:43:49 pm roninchef: I learned that not everyone around me wants to hear about Google Wave and I am totally ganking the Dr. Wave intro for a project. #lrnchat
8:43:57 pm kelly_smith01: RT @bschlenker: Q0: This week I learned that I totally have a shot at a Nobel prize #lrnchat
8:44:03 pm moehlert: RT @bschlenker: Q0: This week I learned that I totally have a shot at a Nobel prize #lrnchat
8:44:06 pm KevinDJones: I learned that I don't like 'Annie" songs – unless my 5 yo is singing them. Ahhhhh. #lrnchat
8:44:15 pm JaneBozarth: @dwilkinsnh They are also tied to using certain words. #lrnchat
8:44:20 pm mpetersell: This week I learned that my company is getting ready for yet another restructuring #lrnchat
8:44:24 pm randomdazzle: This week I learned that not everyone thinks about "quality" in the same way. #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:44:27 pm kasey428: RT @kelly_smith01: For tonight new drinking "terms" Kirkpatrick and Level (any) #lrnchat
8:44:47 pm kelly_smith01: RT @moehlert: @kelly_smith01 I was thinking "The Boxer" lyics Cool I jumpred ahead U R right #lrnchat
8:44:50 pm J_Schulz: I learned that my daughter's 7th grade basketball team is short when compared to other teams. #lrnchat
8:44:55 pm barrydahl: I learned that it was possible to read and score 98 conference proposals in about 3 hours. For #ITC10 – eLearning in Ft. Worth #lrnchat
8:45:02 pm jaycross: Google Wave: shall we discuss something we know nothing about? Yee-hah! #lrnchat
8:45:04 pm ThomasStone: Q0: I learned that even while sick with a cold I can make a relevant appearance at all meetings even while triple-booked. #lrnchat
8:45:09 pm gps03: @jwillensky Same here. Wave seems lonely at the start doesn't it? #lrnchat
8:45:11 pm Priaak: Q0 More of an after thought – will not contribute to making the 'wave' a top trending topic unless I get an wave invite. #lrnchat
8:45:18 pm lrnchat: Q1) When you talk about learning metrics, what do you mean? Is that different for you from business metrics? If so, why? #lrnchat
8:45:18 pm RobRobertson: first chat in a while…Dallas and focused on social learning in the corp…learned that google voice will be offering invites soon #lrnchat
8:45:21 pm mpetersell: @KevinDJones when my daughter was 5 she sang hard knock life over and over during a 5 hour car ride #lrnchat
8:45:22 pm JaneBozarth: Also learned word for when you get words of song wrong: "mondegreen". #lrnchat
8:45:31 pm hjarche: I learned lots this week, I just can't measure it #lrnchat
8:45:34 pm tgrevatt: Uh oh, it's going to be a heavy night! RT @kasey428: @kelly_smith01: For tonight new drinking "terms" Kirkpatrick and Level (any) #lrnchat
8:45:38 pm jwillensky: Kirkpatrick. Level. #lrnchat
8:45:48 pm jaycross: Learned that Internet Time Group is restructuring and I am the entire group! #lrnchat
8:45:48 pm ranig2u: RT @jwillensky: Learned to accept lack of Google Wave. Then I got it. Now must learn to accept lack of Google Wave sherpa. (LOL!) #lrnchat
8:46:02 pm MariaOD: Hello #lrnchat! This week I’ve learned to “just do it”. Don’t wait for perfection. Be agile.
8:46:03 pm moehlert: RT @hjarche: I learned lots this week, I just can’t measure it #lrnchat BEAUTIFUL!!
8:46:04 pm damonregan: Q0: Hello! Damon Regan from Orlando. Learned Flash Forward conflicts with #lrnchat
8:46:06 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Priaak Hey, I’m working on it!!! #lrnchat
8:46:14 pm JaneBozarth: HA!! RT @hjarche: I learned lots this week, I just can’t measure it #lrnchat
8:46:20 pm jwillensky: @gps03 It does! #lrnchat
8:46:20 pm joe_deegan: RT @lrnchat: Q1) When you talk about learning metrics, what do you mean? Is that different for you from business metrics? why? #lrnchat
8:46:23 pm sirlancalot: if its unmeasurable, does learning occur? #lrnchat
8:46:23 pm ranig2u: @roninchef – check out Lifehacker’s 101 guide – pretty good #lrnchat
8:46:25 pm dwilkinsnh: I learned that my head, while big enough on it’s own, looks ridiculously big when projected on an IMAX screen… ; ) #lrnchat
8:46:25 pm Priaak: RT @hjarche I learned lots this week, I just can’t measure it #lrnchat
8:46:27 pm odguru: Google’s so smart making the wave invite only. Hullabalo builds presence! #lrnchat
8:46:34 pm jaycross: The only worthy learning metrics ARE business metrics. #lrnchat
8:46:36 pm roninchef: @jwillensky I found this to be useful – http://twit.tv/twig I’ll be doing a deep dive on it this weekend. #lrnchat
8:46:38 pm KevinDJones: @mpetersell Ya, maybe not like that :-0 #lrnchat
8:46:39 pm sahana2802: RT @lrnchat Q1) When you talk about learning metrics, what do you mean? Is that different for you from business metrics? If so, why?#lrnchat
8:46:44 pm jsuzcampos: @moehlert @bschlenker @kelly_smith01 I think that Kirkpatrick has a shot at the nobel prize too … #lrnchat
8:46:45 pm ThomasStone: LOL, bigtime RT @bschlenker: Q0: This week I learned that I totally have a shot at a Nobel prize #lrnchat
8:46:46 pm dwilkinsnh: @JaneBozarth Oh yeah, that too! #lrnchat
8:46:52 pm jimsky7: Learned: CEOs say they want social media but want to treat it as broadcast. How to get them to unlearn this? #lrnchat
8:47:03 pm ArtPandscience: learning metrics are irrelevant to a business, your learning outcomes need to be in biz metrics using your clients metrics systems..#lrnchat
8:47:07 pm jaycross: Levels 1-3 are for wimps. #lrnchat
8:47:18 pm Priaak: @mrch0mp3rs Thanks:) #lrnchat
8:47:22 pm joe_deegan: Q1) Learning Metrics must support Business Metrics #lrnchat
8:47:29 pm tonnet: I like to read many things at the same time, but mostly education, technology and media applied to the education matters. Connector #lrnchat
8:47:31 pm danwrona: Dan, Cleveland, trainer-leadership/interpersonal skills w/ college students. Q0: still learning how to use this #lrnchat thing #lrnchat
8:47:32 pm jaycross: Level 5 is a misappropriation of obsolete accounting. #lrnchat
8:47:34 pm gps03: @lrnchat Q1: well it’s certainly not buts in seats though that seems to be tho only one anyone ever asks me for. #lrnchat
8:47:36 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q1) I don’t talk about learning metrics or business metrics. I talk about metrics. Beggars can’t be choosy. #lrnchat
8:47:40 pm JaneBozarth: RT @lrnchat Q1) When you talk about learning metrics, what do you mean? Is that different for you from business metrics? If so, why?#lrnchat
8:47:41 pm jwillensky: @roninchef Thanks! You’re in charge🙂 #lrnchat
8:47:57 pm roninchef: @ranig2u I was going back and forth with it and Wave last night. THe public search was an eye opener. #lrnchat
8:47:59 pm jsuzcampos: learning is not a metric that businesses care about: positive performance change is. #lrnchat
8:48:03 pm kasey428: RT @joe_deegan: Q1) Learning Metrics must support Business Metrics #lrnchat
8:48:13 pm Digin4ed: Business metrics are often financial, or engineering based in some way- quite different from learning #lrnchat
8:48:15 pm J_Schulz: @jaycross ‘dem’s fightin’ words, Mr. Cross.😉 #lrnchat
8:48:17 pm MariaOD: Q0- I learned that the Nobel Prize has lost its meaning! #lrnchat
8:48:20 pm dpontefract: I learned that @amcafee is pretty cool to talk to live as he is cool via social networking #lrnchat
8:48:22 pm JaneBozarth: Amen RT @jaycross: Level 5 is a misappropriation of obsolete accounting. #lrnchat
8:48:30 pm kelly_smith01: Q1 Not 2 split hairs. But I like “performance” metrics. Is the performance better? #lrnchat
8:48:33 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q1. metrics don’t have to mean ROI, they could mean ROE (return on expectations) #lrnchat
8:48:34 pm hjarche: @dwilkinsnh ROFL and then rolled again! #lrnchat
8:48:36 pm jaycross: The best measures are often subjective. Ask open-ended questions. Many forego accuracy for the sake of precision. #lrnchat
8:48:36 pm jsuzcampos: @danwrona hi Dan, try tweetchat or tweetgrid! #lrnchat
8:48:37 pm KevinDJones: @jimsky7 Oh ya – get them using it, use cases, examples and how it will never work that way. Had that this week, too. #lrnchat
8:48:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: here, here! RT @jsuzcampos: learning is not a metric that businesses care about: positive performance change is. #lrnchat
8:48:55 pm odguru: @jaycross 1-3 R4 wimps. Depends. Often get funding based on these – execs love activity measures. Shiny object! Shiny object! #lrnchat
8:49:05 pm mafeteca: RT @jimsky7: Learned: CEOs say they want social media but want to treat it as broadcast. How to get them to unlearn this? #lrnchat
8:49:05 pm randomdazzle: #lrnchat Q1: “metric” implies measurements that can be used to make decisions. If there is no consequence, don’t measure it. #lrnchat
8:49:08 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @ArtPandscience learning metrics irrelevant 2 biz; lrng outcomes need 2 b biz metrics using ur clients metrics systems #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:49:12 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) Does you finance group get credit for sending out invoices? No? Then why do we get credit for smile sheets? #lrnchat
8:49:15 pm jimsky7: “Learning metrics” are personal; “business metrics” are aggregate. #lrnchat
8:49:29 pm joe_deegan: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Q1. metrics dont have to mean ROI, they could mean ROE (return on expectations) #lrnchat
8:49:45 pm kasey428: @jsuzcampos Agreed #lrnchat
8:49:49 pm everyselearning: RT @jsuzcampos: learning is not a metric that businesses care about: positive performance change is. #lrnchat
8:49:57 pm KoreenOlbrish: funny, if we want to performance metrics, why don’t we identify performance objectives instead of learning objectives? #lrnchat
8:49:58 pm dwilkinsnh: Q1) Does your sales group get credit for it’s pipeline? Then why do we get credit for “buts in seats”? #lrnchat
8:50:06 pm tgrevatt: Good way to put it RT @jsuzcampos: learning is not a metric that businesses care about: positive performance change is. #lrnchat
8:50:06 pm ranig2u: RT @jimsky7: “Learning metrics” are personal; “business metrics” are aggregate. #lrnchat
8:50:07 pm mpetersell: We tried to do a level 5 metric, but when we calculated the cost to do it accurately we couldn’t justify the ROI #lrnchat
8:50:07 pm jaycross: RT @jimsky7: “Learning metrics” are personal; “business metrics” are aggregate. #lrnchat
8:50:19 pm peterflom: @peterflom Dictionary says ‘A standard of measurement” or a long mathematical definition #lrnchat
8:50:21 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q1) I also don’t get hung up on ROI (it’s a myth). I look for “evidence of impact” on learning side; working to tie to biz outcomes #lrnchat
8:50:23 pm tonnet: Seen on a B-day card at one UMDNJ’s office: You don’t look one year older, you just look one more year sexier!! #lrnchat
8:50:28 pm danwrona: @jsuzcampos thanks! Using tweetchat, just trying to keep up. Wow🙂 #lrnchat
8:50:34 pm hjarche: @jsuzcampos F*ck business – if all the people walk out, there is no business – measure that #lrnchat
8:50:35 pm sifowler: Learning measurement: RT @jaycross The only worthy learning metrics ARE business metrics & RT @jaycross: Levels 1-3 are for wimps #lrnchat
8:50:36 pm bschlenker: @dpontefract Isn’t he @amcafee a really nice guy? I enjoy chatting with him as well preparing for @DevLearn #lrnchat
8:50:37 pm ArtPandscience: true enough, however clients measure business impact as quality, cost or cycle time improvement using finance and quality teams #lrnchat
8:50:46 pm JaneBozarth: group of trainers today, THEIR perf objectives for selves: said # of new classes developed, #times delivered, how many complete #lrnchat
8:50:46 pm jaycross: RT @KoreenOlbrish: funny, if we want to performance metrics, why dont we identify performance objectives | We should. #lrnchat
8:50:51 pm KevinDJones: Test = I learned it. But then measure how I use it and then apply it to different contexts? #lrnchat
8:50:59 pm mobilemind: when speaking the metric of learning, I mean psychometrics, the measurement. of the learning. business metrics generally financial #lrnchat
8:51:05 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @KoreenOlbrish: funny, if we want to perf metrics, why don’t we identify performance objectives instead of learning objectives? #lrnchat
8:51:06 pm lrnchat: @kelly_smith01 Feel free to split hairs. Tell us what you mean by “is the performance better?” #lrnchat
8:51:12 pm randomdazzle: Q1 #lrnchat wadr 2 jaycross, “business” is as overused as “content” and can mean just about anything these days. #lrnchat
8:51:26 pm tonnet: RT @jsuzcampos learning is not a metric that businesses care about: positive performance change is. #lrnchat
8:51:30 pm JaneBozarth: RT @mrch0mp3rs:Q1)don’t get hung up on ROI (it’s a myth). Look for “evidence of impact” …working to tie to biz outcomes #lrnchat
8:51:39 pm jsuzcampos: @hjarche Wow, I haven’t used those words with my clients before, refreshing candor. #lrnchat
8:51:56 pm Digin4ed: business metrics can be just as personal and singular. #lrnchat
8:52:23 pm KevinDJones: Maybe we should question first “WHY” metrics in the first place. Take us back to the root. #lrnchat
8:52:27 pm jwillensky: Q1 More to do with learner reaction, + retention/transfer over time. Never been asked abt. ROI. #lrnchat
8:52:28 pm MariaOD: Q1-Learning metrics should support the org’s mision&vision. Learning metrics accounts for that which training provides the solution #lrnchat
8:52:28 pm Digin4ed: Just ask a trader, salesperson, or some line workers. #lrnchat
8:52:30 pm ThomasStone: @dwilkinsnh Dude, that screen freaked you out!😉 Sounds like it was quite the speaking engagement though! #lrnchat
8:52:34 pm tonnet: RT @FSSimon “Share the spotlight and talk about everyone else who matters” @ChrisBrogan #lrnchat #bwe09
8:52:39 pm barrydahl: Q1) learning metrics – nobody said it better than George W – “Is our children learning?” #lrnchat
8:52:44 pm mobilemind: when speaking to effectiveness of training, I think metrics are performance. oh yeah, biz metrics can also be operation/production #lrnchat
8:52:54 pm wlonline: Poor internet connection where i am now so just following chats when i can #lrnchat
8:53:03 pm odguru: learning metrics=effectivenss of the larning. Business metrics= the effectivenss of the learner applying it. #lrnchat
8:53:05 pm joe_deegan: Absolutely! RT @Digin4ed: business metrics can be just as personal and singular. #lrnchat
8:53:09 pm Dave_Ferguson: William Horton has great, smart, and funny stuff to say about ROI in “Designing Web Based Training.” #lrnchat
8:53:12 pm hjarche: @jsuzcampos it’s a fact – no people, no business – becomes a problem when people are no longer interchangeable #lrnchat
8:53:23 pm KoreenOlbrish: @hjarche well, usually when people say “business” they really mean “making money”…hard to tell ppl that isn’t important #lrnchat
8:53:24 pm dwilkinsnh: @odguru Not sure about shiny object thing. 86% of biz execs want to know ROI of learning; 4% of learn grps deliver – ROI Institure #lrnchat
8:53:32 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: funny, if we want to perf metrics, why don’t we identify performance objectives instead of learning objectives? #lrnchat
8:53:33 pm kelly_smith01: Measuring the performance (instead of learning) does the trainee produce at a higher level, make fewer errors after the training? #lrnchat
8:53:41 pm ArtPandscience: performance is an interesting word that most people think they can define. least of all senior managers #lrnchat
8:53:42 pm jsuzcampos: I think as IDs we are often asked to focus on learning, when we should be encouraged to look at wholesale performance improvement. #lrnchat
8:53:45 pm JaneBozarth: RT @odguru: learning metrics=effectivenss of the larning. Business metrics= the effectivenss of the learner applying it. #lrnchat
8:53:52 pm jaycross: @randomdazzle By “business,” I mean the value created by the business entity, i.e. their product or service. #lrnchat
8:54:02 pm Dave_Ferguson: rt odguru learning metrics=effectivenss of the larning. Business metrics= the effectivenss of the learner applying it. #lrnchat
8:54:24 pm dpontefract: @dwilkinsnh I’m overhauling our dumb kirkpatrick model in favour of new return on perf & return on learning measures – launch /Jan #lrnchat
8:54:24 pm ArtPandscience: just have your significant partner sit you down to talk about your “preformance” and all will become clear #lrnchat
8:54:25 pm jaycross: Boy but lrnchat is rolling along quickly tonight. Lordy. #lrnchat
8:54:34 pm jsuzcampos: @hjarche Roger that. #lrnchat
8:54:38 pm mrch0mp3rs: Biz metrics also include quality measures like pick rates, defect rates, call turnovers, waiting time, conversion rates, etc. #lrnchat
8:54:39 pm moehlert: #lrnchat So I’ll be thick here – tell me how to measure “learning”
8:54:46 pm Dave_Ferguson: I think some clients are moving to biz metrics. Can’t blame all poor corp/org learning on the training dept., tho’. #lrnchat
8:54:51 pm jimsky7: Gotta have a strategy before you can measure achievement. Just as true for learning as for business. #lrnchat
8:54:52 pm tonnet: Metrics (psychometrics) measured on the base of objectives. Sounds logical and interesting #lrnchat
8:54:54 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @ArtPandscience: just have your significant partner sit you down to talk about your “preformance” and all will become clear #lrnchat
8:54:59 pm mpetersell: Metrics: sales reps complete onboarding; leaders want to know # orders per month they are closing; is that business or learning? #lrnchat
8:55:00 pm hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish link people directly to profit & need for management disappears – have seen it in many companies #lrnchat
8:55:15 pm MariaOD: Q1-Still need quantitative data as well as qualitative. The leadership likes the ‘butts in seats’ data. #lrnchat
8:55:22 pm peterflom: #lrnchat Money is how people without talent keep score – I forget who said, but it’s neat
8:55:24 pm JaneBozarth: RT @dpontefract I’m overhauling our dumb kirkpatrick model in favour of new return on perf & return on learning measures #lrnchat
8:55:29 pm jaycross: Can we have another question to keep us from wasting time burying Kirkpatrick? #lrnchat
8:55:35 pm ThomasStone: RT @jaycross: The best measures are often subjective. Ask open-ended questions. Many forego accuracy for the sake of precision. #lrnchat
8:55:37 pm kelly_smith01: RT @odguru: learning metrics=effectivenss of the larning.Business metrics= effectivenss of the learner applying it. (same thing?) #lrnchat
8:55:38 pm randomdazzle: Q1 #lrnchat @jaycross So we measure change in value. Other thing to measure is change in behavior. Neither = change in knowledge #lrnchat
8:55:39 pm ranig2u: RT @jimsky7: Gotta have a strategy before you can measure achievement. Just as true for learning as for business. #lrnchat
8:55:40 pm Abhinava: RT @barrydahl: Q1) learning metrics – nobody said it better than George W – “Is our children learning?” #lrnchat
4:55:51 pm JaneBozarth: @dpontefract Keep me posted on that! #lrnchat
8:55:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: @moehlert I’ll stir that: what’s the evidence of learning you’re looking to see as a result? #lrnchat
8:56:00 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert i was waiting for you to say that…we can measure knowledge or performance..need some equipment to measure “learning”🙂 #lrnchat
8:56:01 pm joe_deegan: RT @jimsky7: Gotta have a strategy before you can measure achievement. Just as true for learning as for business. #lrnchat
8:56:09 pm jsuzcampos: RT @jimsky7: Gotta have a strategy before you can measure achievement. Just as true for learning as for business. #lrnchat
8:56:16 pm Erick1970: It’s like @jaycross said business metrics are learning metrics. #lrnchat
8:56:18 pm marciamarcia: @moehlert Do I dare add, “how are you defining learning?”… let alone “performance”? #lrnchat
8:56:25 pm sirlancalot: @Abhinava i second that #lrnchat
8:56:26 pm dwilkinsnh: @dpontefract I think we’d all love to hear more about that as it progresses. Sounds like a cool project. #lrnchat
8:56:39 pm ArtPandscience: Sure, what will it take to return learning to primacy in industry? #lrnchat
8:56:53 pm tonnet: RT @moehlert #lrnchat So I’ll be thick here – tell me how to measure “learning” [include Gestalt & Conductivism]
8:56:57 pm JaneBozarth: RT @mrch0mp3rs: @moehlert I’ll stir that: what’s the evidence of learning you’re looking to see as a result? #lrnchat
8:57:03 pm KoreenOlbrish: @hjarche i like the thought of management disappearing…even tho i’m technically management…hmmm…. #lrnchat
8:57:03 pm ThomasStone: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q1) Does your sales group get credit for it’s pipeline? Then why do we get credit for “buts in seats”? #lrnchat
8:57:08 pm mrch0mp3rs: @KoreenOlbrish So don’t need equipment to measure learning. We can measure all sorts of things if we look for them. #lrnchat
8:57:12 pm J_Schulz: @moehlert I think Gloria Gery suggested that we weigh the learners. #lrnchat
8:57:16 pm MariaOD: We are taking our first shot at measurement. I am all ears! Shoot #lrnchat!
8:57:18 pm jaycross: For me, learning = prospering in the ecosystems that matter to you. #lrnchat
8:57:22 pm jsuzcampos: I second this! RT @dwilkinsnh: @dpontefract I think we’d all love to hear more about that as it progresses. #lrnchat
8:57:23 pm RobRobertson: @dpontefract I would be interested to see your work on Kirkpatrick models…the debunking of #lrnchat
8:57:37 pm ranig2u: @ArtPandscience – was it ever primacy? #lrnchat
8:57:44 pm mrch0mp3rs: @KoreenOlbrish tools can help.. not saying they can’t.. but evidence of learning existed before the tools we use existed. #lrnchat
8:57:45 pm sahana2802: RT @KoreenOlbrish @moehlert we can measure knowledge or performance..need some equipment to measure “learning”🙂 #lrnchat
8:57:47 pm ThomasStone: RT @ranig2u: RT @jimsky7: “Learning metrics” are personal; “business metrics” are aggregate. #lrnchat
8:57:48 pm matt_murray: For next 60min I’ll be chatting bout learning on #lrnchat with some brilliant peeps. Join us! Deets: http://sn.im/lrnin
8:57:52 pm Digin4ed: The great Q of our time RT @moehlert: #lrnchat So I’ll be thick here – tell me how to measure “learning”
8:57:57 pm stickylearning: @JaneBozarth trainers – yes lots of admin measures not so many learning measures #lrnchat
8:58:02 pm jaycross: Performance = behavior that fulfills the mission/creates value. #lrnchat
8:58:02 pm Erick1970: RT @jsuzcampos: RT @jimsky7: Gotta have a strategy before you can measure achievement. Just as true for learning as for business. #lrnchat
8:58:03 pm everyselearning: One measure of learning is how many questions are asked. If no questions, there is no learning #lrnchat
8:58:05 pm JaneBozarth: RT @J_Schulz: @moehlert I think Gloria Gery suggested that we weigh the learners. #lrnchat
8:58:12 pm barrydahl: In higher ed many talk about ROI which is pure B.S. There is no investment (assets) – should be return on spending. #lrnchat
8:58:14 pm moehlert: @jaycross I come not to bury Kirkpatrick but to praise him….😉 #lrnchat
8:58:25 pm JaneBozarth: RT @mrch0mp3rs: tools can help.. not saying they can’t.. but evidence of learning existed before the tools we use existed. #lrnchat
8:58:27 pm marciamarcia: Is it evidence of learning you’re looking for, or evidence of doing the work better? #lrnchat
8:58:28 pm kasey428: [Learning metrics (business goals) + competent workforce] – redundancies = high productivity #lrnchat
8:58:28 pm odguru: RT @J_Schulz: @moehlert I think Gloria Gery suggested that we weigh the learners. << Learning bites go by the 1/4 ounce I heard #lrnchat
8:58:42 pm Dave_Ferguson: For individ/group, To, Gilbert's ACORN testunderscores major outputs: A-accomplishment (a product), C-employee has Control… #lrnchat
8:58:43 pm jaycross: You measure learning by its outcomes. #lrnchat
8:58:49 pm kelly_smith01: RT @moehlert: @jaycross I come not to bury Kirkpatrick but to praise him….😉 #lrnchat
8:58:59 pm Priaak: RT @jaycross Performance = behavior that fulfills the mission/creates value #lrnchat
8:59:00 pm mobilemind: RT @dwilkinsnh "Does finance group get credit for sending out invoices? No? Then why does training get credit for smile sheets?" #lrnchat
8:59:05 pm jaycross: RT @moehlert: @jaycross I come not to bury Kirkpatrick but to praise him….😉 | I wouldn't go that far, Mark. #lrnchat
8:59:17 pm JaneBozarth: @barrydahl Yes–there's no such thing as ROI #lrnchat
8:59:19 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jaycross: You measure learning by its outcomes. #lrnchat
8:59:20 pm Dave_Ferguson: Over objective, not picky; Reconcilable w/ org goals; Numbers to measure. #lrnchat
8:59:21 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @jaycross: For me, learning = prospering in the ecosystems that matter to you. #lrnchat <- This! Universal to individual or org.
8:59:26 pm RobRobertson: @matt_murray wow Matt now I have performance pressure to be brilliant…hope its not being evaluated😀 #lrnchat
8:59:27 pm Erick1970: @jsuzcampos @jimsky7:It's kind of like using a sales funnel – everything could be a funnel to drill down to the important metrics. #lrnchat
8:59:31 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia Kinda like the LHC..you don't really see those particles – you observe their effects. #lrnchat
8:59:39 pm odguru: Measure of learning: increased ability to apply via SJT or demonstration. #lrnchat
8:59:52 pm Dave_Ferguson: I've got the Kirkpatrick stuff here. Where's the overhead projector? #lrnchat
8:59:57 pm atuljog: RT@jaycross You measure learning by its outcomes. #lrnchat
8:59:57 pm jaycross: If a boy learned something in a forest and he acted no differently, he didn't really learn anything. #lrnchat
9:00:00 pm JaneBozarth: RT @dwilkinsnh "Does finance group get credit for sending out invoices? No? Then why does training get credit for smile sheets?" #lrnchat
9:00:03 pm metarand: RT @jimsky7: Learned: CEOs say they want social media but want to treat it as broadcast. How to get them to unlearn this? #lrnchat
9:00:07 pm randomdazzle: Q1 #lrnchat Most metrics confuse correlation with causality. And therein lies the rub! #lrnchat
9:00:13 pm moehlert: @jaycross But can the outcomes be diff every time? Then can we ever have a stable measurement? #lrnchat
9:00:18 pm dpontefract: @dwilkinsnh absolutely will keep y'all apprised on our two new measures #lrnchat
9:00:29 pm ArtPandscience: TTFN dizzy trying to read all these pithy and worthy tweets. #lrnchat
9:00:33 pm JaneBozarth: Can evil Jane ask: Are we assuming too much? Is mgmt interest always "learning" ? #lrnchat
9:00:39 pm ranig2u: measure of learning is what you can sell as ROI – it's a game, no? #lrnchat
9:00:40 pm moehlert: @jaycross What if he did learn it but chose not to act differently? #lrnchat
9:00:42 pm kasey428: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Ive got the Kirkpatrick stuff here. Wheres the overhead projector? #lrnchat
9:00:47 pm KoreenOlbrish: we should all identify what we want people to do differently, then design training and practice to support–performance objectives #lrnchat
9:00:47 pm kwooleyy: RT @jaycross For me, learning = prospering in the ecosystems that matter to you. #lrnchat
9:00:48 pm tonnet: "Learning bites go by the 1/4 ounce I heard" #lrnchat – @J_schulz
9:00:48 pm odguru: @mobilemind @adwilkinsonh – no but finanace does track ARs to see if they are doing a good job collecting. #lrnchat
9:01:00 pm J_Schulz: @moehlert Now we're bringing high energy physics into the mix? I like the analogy though. #lrnchat
9:01:08 pm bschlenker: RT @randomdazzle: Q1 #lrnchat Most metrics confuse correlation with causality. And therein lies the rub! #Lrnchat
9:01:14 pm kelly_smith01: RT @randomdazzle: Q1 #lrnchat Most metrics confuse correlation with causality. And therein lies the rub! #lrnchat
9:01:24 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Ive got the Kirkpatrick stuff here. Wheres the overhead projector? #lrnchat
9:01:28 pm lrnchat: Just joining us and not sure what's the question? You can always check @lrnchat #lrnchat
9:01:28 pm jaycross: RT randomdazzle Q1 #lrnchat Most metrics confuse correlation with causality | Oh, so true. That's why you hypothesize in advance #lrnchat
9:01:29 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth No. Seth Godin says, management interest is in SHIPPING. #lrnchat
9:01:32 pm mrch0mp3rs: @JaneBozarth its not learning they're interested in.. #lrnchat
9:01:32 pm MariaOD: RT @kelly_smith01: RT @jaycross: You measure learning by its outcomes.<<sound simple- we said they would learn x. They did. Done #lrnchat
9:01:36 pm damonregan: @moehlert then a change in attitude may be a desired learning outcome #lrnchat
9:01:38 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth They don't give a crap about "learning" nor is it their duty to do so. Performance. Tell m how you affect it. #lrnchat
9:01:46 pm Digin4ed: @tonnet is that bites or bytes? #lrnchat
9:01:48 pm odguru: @JaneBozarth mgmt interested (sometimes) in activity measurs that make them look like they are doing something 4 people. #lrnchat
9:01:51 pm Erick1970: RT @jaycross Performance = behavior that fulfills the mission/creates value. #lrnchat That is why #HR depts spend $$$ on perf. mgmt systems.
9:01:54 pm JaneBozarth: RT @randomdazzle: Q1 #lrnchat Most metrics confuse correlation with causality. And therein lies the rub! #Lrnchat
9:01:57 pm hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish by virtue of the networked workplace, management (as we know it) will disappear #lrnchat
9:02:03 pm jsuzcampos: RT @moehlert: @jaycross What if he did learn it but chose not to act differently? #lrnchat
9:02:13 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert then he’s displaying free will, and good for him #lrnchat
9:02:19 pm JaneBozarth: Learning doesn’t always mean perf was changed. May mean in another way problem was solved. #lrnchat
9:02:23 pm lrnchat: Q2) What are you measuring in your organization? Why are you measuring that? What else do you know you should measure? #lrnchat
9:02:29 pm marciamarcia: @jaycross Sometimes what he’s learned is to act the same, yet think differently about the Forest. #lrnchat
9:02:34 pm JaneBozarth: RT @hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish by virtue of the networked workplace, management (as we know it) will disappear #lrnchat
9:02:50 pm jaycross: First glass of sauvignon blanc. Gone. #lrnchat
9:02:53 pm KoreenOlbrish: @hjarche i’m buying what you’re selling, my friend #lrnchat
9:03:01 pm Erick1970: @Dave_Ferguson cool – do you have some markers too? I like those when someone uses a marker on an overhead. #lrnchat
9:03:06 pm dwilkinsnh: @odguru Yeah exactly. One is intent. And one is outcome. We do a lot of measuring warm and fuzzies, less outcome based. #lrnchat
9:03:10 pm Erick1970: RT @jaycross: If a boy learned something in a forest and he acted no differently, he didn’t really learn anything. #lrnchat
9:03:11 pm JaneBozarth: @jsuzcampos Choice not to perform is his #lrnchat
9:03:13 pm mobilemind: heck with it, why don’t we all become performance designers #lrnchat Oh, ISD fills knowledge/skills gaps to enable performance
9:03:16 pm kelly_smith01: Does the job/work environment reflect (or is the same) as how performance was learned @ training #lrnchat
9:03:26 pm gminks: RT @JaneBozarth: Can evil Jane ask: Are we assuming too much? Is mgmt interest always “learning”? #lrnchat
9:03:28 pm JaneBozarth: @jsuzcampos And hello, good to see you #lrnchat
9:03:33 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Sorry for the mis-direct but “LETS GO CAPS!” We now return you to your regularly scheduled #lrnchat
9:03:50 pm sahana2802: RT @lrnchat Q2) What are you measuring in your organization? Why are you measuring that? What else do you know you should measure? #lrnchat
9:03:57 pm damonregan: @JaneBozarth solving a problem requires performance, no? #lrnchat
9:03:59 pm jaycross: RT @marciamarcia: @jaycross Sometimes what hes learned is to act the same, yet think differently about the Forest. | …and act dif #lrnchat
9:04:05 pm mobilemind: but sometimes a better solution than training is to change what needs to be performed #lrnchat
9:04:08 pm J_Schulz: @JaneBozarth I think mgmt is interested in 2 things: Is the org capable of doing what is needed, and is my money being used well. #lrnchat
9:04:09 pm joe_deegan: Q2) We are measuring sales stats pre and post training. Trouble is a variety of things outside training can effect stats. #lrnchat
9:04:13 pm kasey428: @gminks Glad you made it! #lrnchat
9:04:14 pm jsuzcampos: @JaneBozarth You too ma’m! We missed you last week, how was the reunion? #lrnchat
9:04:16 pm matt_murray: little late this week, ready to talk metrics #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:04:17 pm hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish nobody’s “buying” for now, which is why there’s no $ in this message #lrnchat
9:04:18 pm JaneBozarth: @stickylearning So much still tactical, not strategic #lrnchat
9:04:20 pm jaycross: Aren’t we all performance designers? What are we paid for? #lrnchat
9:04:30 pm Priaak: Don’t we create goals, business case before we work towards a learning solution. Measure outcome quantitatively and qualitatively. #lrnchat
9:04:38 pm barrydahl: Q2) we’ve started measuring “student engagement” in online learning – calling it Action Analytics – near real-time data #lrnchat
9:04:44 pm damonregan: RT @mobilemind: but sometimes a better solution than training is to change what needs to be performed #lrnchat
9:04:48 pm JaneBozarth: @damonregan No… #lrnchat
9:04:51 pm moehlert: @damonregan #lrnchat Is that a learning outcome or a performance outcome?
9:04:58 pm JaneBozarth: RT @mobilemind: but sometimes a better solution than training is to change what needs to be performed #lrnchat
9:05:01 pm odguru: RT @jaycross: … he acted no differently, he didn’t really learn anything. <<< Maybe or maybe the environment disallowed. #lrnchat
9:05:01 pm Dave_Ferguson: I see two aspects to what we call learning. First is what stores, second is what retrieves. Retrieve implies "apply" #lrnchat
9:05:06 pm onEnterFrame: RT @MariaOD @kelly_smith01 @jaycross You measure learning by its outcomes<<sound simple- we said they would learn x. They did. Done #lrnchat
9:05:09 pm gminks: @kasey428 hi!!! (I should be studying…sigh) #lrnchat
9:05:16 pm mrch0mp3rs: @jaycross To keep companies from getting sued. #lrnchat
9:05:18 pm KoreenOlbrish: @mobilemind exactly the problem! we can't be 1 or the other…right now, most IDs focus too much on instruction, not performance #lrnchat
9:05:19 pm Priaak: RT @lrnchat Q2) What are you measuring in your organization? Why are you measuring that? What else do you know you should measure? #lrnchat
9:05:32 pm JaneBozarth: @jsuzcampos Rockin' good time thanks #lrnchat
9:05:39 pm gminks: wow tonight it sounds like both of my classes… #lrnchat
9:05:40 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jaycross In areas I move in, client doesn't always want perf design. Sometimes they want dosage. #lrnchat
9:05:41 pm jaycross: Maybe we need to rename this affair #perfchat #lrnchat
9:05:50 pm J_Schulz: Q2: If I had an org; time to performance and using data to identify tageted training. #lrnchat
9:05:53 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks I knew you couldn't stay away.. #lrnchat
9:05:57 pm jsuzcampos: Q2) Many orgs measure activity rather than outcomes. Many times, the contract simply asks: "who attended and did they like it?" #lrnchat
9:06:13 pm barrydahl: 2) we also measure "student satisfaction" although the best way to satisfy them is to dumb down the learning #lrnchat
9:06:13 pm MariaOD: So learning is actually performance enhancing? #lrnchat
9:06:18 pm Erick1970: RT @mobilemind: heck with it, why don't we become performance designers #lrnchat Oh, ISD fills knowledge/skills gaps to enable performance
9:06:30 pm KoreenOlbrish: @mobilemind and that's process improvement, which IDs should be able to assess as well…maybe in that "Analyze" phase😉 #lrnchat
9:06:31 pm jaycross: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @jaycross In areas I move in, client doesnt always want perf design. Sometimes they want dosage. } Yeah, Dave. #lrnchat
9:06:36 pm kasey428: Clients want improved performance, yet they measure the what was learned. Go figure. #lrnchat
9:06:40 pm mobilemind: @KoreenOlbrish one challenge is perf. designer is often biz analyst, engineer, SME, marketer… we can't be all of that #lrnchat
9:06:52 pm randomdazzle: @jaycross #lrnchat We design learning experiences to influence performance. #lrnchat
9:06:59 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q2 my prime client measures perf. of its pros on large projects–as proj mgrs or task mgrs. #lrnchat
9:07:02 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia @jaycross #lrnchat Ah! So he could've learned it, but the culture prevented its application. Hmmm, implications for ISD?
9:07:11 pm matt_murray: Q2 Focusing a lot lately on development hours vs hours training delivered #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:07:14 pm odguru: RT @Dave_Ferguson: client doesn't always want perf design. Sometimes they want dosage. Yes a learning outcome AND a performance outcome.
9:09:21 pm ranig2u: RT @Priaak: If you work in a corp learning solutions/services org you measure client satisfaction – not really learner performance #lrnchat
9:09:29 pm JaneBozarth: RT @ThomasStone: there is all kinds of stuff we learn that doesn’t impact behavior! #lrnchat
9:09:39 pm MariaOD: Tough to measure outcome so we measure activities which validate our existence. #lrnchat
9:09:41 pm Priaak: RT @kasey428 Clients want improved performance, yet they measure the what was learned. Go figure #lrnchat
9:09:44 pm hjarche: @jaycross re: compliance – isn’t that for animals? #lrnchat
9:09:47 pm gminks: RT @JaneBozarth: Management signs off on designs with objectives like learner will “know”, “understand”– not “do” <- not mine! #lrnchat
9:09:58 pm kasey428: @mpetersell Certifications out the wha-zoo here, also. Or certificate programs…you aren't certified, but you have a certificate #lrnchat
9:10:01 pm jaycross: RT ThomasStone @jaycross Nah… there is all kinds of stuff …… Like what? Behavior or potential for behavior is my standard #lrnchat
9:10:23 pm TrainingTweet: Is it okay to infer some value of training based on metrics like turnover and employee engagement/satisfaction? #lrnchat
9:10:28 pm jaycross: RT @Priaak: If you work in a corp learning solutions/services org you measure client satisfaction – not really learner performance #lrnchat
9:10:40 pm dwilkinsnh: @jaycross Yeah compliance is almost all CYA and report driven. Rarely learner focused unless it's safety, then yes sometimes. #lrnchat
9:10:44 pm mpetersell: @Dave_Ferguson no PPT here. Checklists and rubrics; demonstrated to experts; danger in selecting the "experts" #lrnchat
9:10:46 pm J_Schulz: Compliance rarely involves learning (as designed today). It's a corporate CYA. #lrnchat
9:10:55 pm willswords: Often we measure if we did something by the time we said we would. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:11:02 pm kasey428: @gminks Management doesn't comprehend "actionable." Know is good enough for them. #lrnchat
9:11:03 pm hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish sorry, have to disagree; it's only about performance from the org's perspective #lrnchat
9:11:03 pm Erick1970: RT @ranig2u: RT @JaneBozarth: Does "compliance" = "learning"? #lrnchat Not always. Esp. if the behaviors go underground.
9:11:04 pm bschlenker: RT @hjarche: @jaycross re: compliance – isnt that for animals?<< and lawyers #Lrnchat
9:11:09 pm AllisonAnderson: learner performance = doesn't performance management play a role here? who notices improved performance? #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:11:18 pm ThomasStone: RT @KoreenOlbrish: we should all identify what we want people to do differently, then design training and practice to support – POs #lrnchat
9:11:26 pm kelly_smith01: RT @J_Schulz: Compliance rarely involves learning (as designed today). Its a corporate CYA. #lrnchat
9:11:29 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @TrainingTweet: Is it okay to infer some value of training based on metrics like turnover and employee engagement/satisfaction? #lrnchat
9:11:37 pm Dave_Ferguson: @mpetersell I am on occasion hyperbolic. ButI smile. #lrnchat
9:11:40 pm jaycross: Learning is the path; performance is the destination. #lrnchat
9:11:46 pm matt_murray: @TrainingTweet If the objective is to prevent turnover…. #lrnchat
9:11:53 pm ThomasStone: RT @bschlenker: RT @randomdazzle: Q1 #lrnchat Most metrics confuse correlation with causality. And therein lies the rub! #Lrnchat
9:11:54 pm RobRobertson: @Priaak perhaps that happens in consultant roles more? #lrnchat
9:12:07 pm gminks: @kasey428 no, srsly. I could never have an objective that isn't actionable. What will the students be able to DO after the class. #lrnchat
9:12:07 pm sahana2802: RT @jaycross: If you work in a corp learning solutions/services org you measure client satisfaction-not really learner performance #lrnchat
9:12:11 pm Erick1970: @Dave_Ferguson @mpetersell Maybe certification should be changed to focus on things that get results? #lrnchat
9:12:20 pm Dave_Ferguson: @bschlenker Compliance is for pharma, lots of manufacturing, food, health, regulated manufacturing, etc., etc. Deal with it. #lrnchat
9:12:30 pm jaycross: KoreenOlbrish RT @TrainingTweet: Is it okay to infer some value? Yes, yes, yes #lrnchat
9:12:36 pm damonregan: RT @jaycross: Learning is the path; performance is the destination. #lrnchat
9:12:39 pm ranig2u: RT @jaycross: Learning is the path; performance is the destination. – very zen #lrnchat
9:12:41 pm kelly_smith01: RT @AllisonAnderson: learner performance = doesnt performance management play a role here? who notices improved performance? #lrnchat
9:12:45 pm joe_deegan: Rubrics are key RT @Dave_Ferguson no PPT here. Checklists and rubrics; demonstrated to experts; danger in selecting the experts #lrnchat
9:12:46 pm barrydahl: Q2) We mainly measure things that make us look good, we rarely measure (& report) things that make us look bad #lrnchat
9:12:54 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Erick1970: @Dave_Ferguson @mpetersell Maybe certification should be changed to focus on things that get results? #lrnchat
9:12:54 pm mpetersell: @Dave_Ferguson its all good; nice pic! #lrnchat
9:12:58 pm tonnet: Performance designers? Let's see, if I am a performance designer how come I still cannot get all objectives clearly defined. #lrnchat
9:13:07 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Not as stand-alone metrics – need to look broadly at employee retention vectors #lrnchat
9:13:18 pm matt_murray: @gminks What about long term goals? Like Changing attitudes. How do you measure that? #lrnchat
9:13:26 pm Erick1970: Do you want people to perform & provide value as a result of learning or do you want them to like the learning dept? #lrnchat
9:13:29 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Erick1970 Hope springs eternal for certification, but I'm pessimistic; entropy finds a way. #lrnchat
9:13:40 pm Digin4ed: on corp delivery, measurement is really based on student perception of learning and feelings about training experience. #lrnchat
9:13:43 pm roninchef: Q2 In my dept, IT Training, one big measurement is how training impacts the Help Desk. When topical Training works calls go down. #lrnchat
9:13:45 pm tonya_simmons: @Dave_Ferguson don't forget insurance (compliance) #lrnchat
9:13:46 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @jaycross: Learning is the path; performance is the destination. #lrnchat <- This! You are full of awesome tonight Jay.
9:13:58 pm joe_deegan: @Dave_Ferguson @bschlenker Compliance is for Sexual Harrasment training #lrnchat
9:14:01 pm jsuzcampos: RT @damonregan: RT @jaycross: Learning is the path; performance is the destination. #lrnchat
9:14:07 pm jaycross: Re: Maybe certification should be changed to focus on things that get results? But then ASTD and Nielsen's revenue would dry up. #lrnchat
9:14:08 pm moehlert: @jaycross I dunno. The path is always personal but the destination could be set by someone else. How do I reconcile? #lrnchat
9:14:11 pm MariaOD: RT @Dave_Ferguson no PPT here. Checklists and rubrics; demonstrated to experts; danger in selecting the experts< hope not! #lrnchat
9:16:27 pm gminks: @marciamarcia what do you mean? pls say more. #lrnchat
9:16:35 pm jaycross: @moehlert Okay, Mark, you stumped me for the moment with the individual vs. the organization learning. Orgs DO learn #lrnchat
9:16:37 pm tgrevatt: So if they can already perform, do they still need to learn? #lrnchat
9:16:38 pm jsuzcampos: RT @Digin4ed in corp delivery, measurement is based on student perception of learning and feelings about training experience. #lrnchat
9:16:47 pm kasey428: @gminks Yea, they have a cheat also. Still prefer understand. #lrnchat
9:16:48 pm mobilemind: ISD=educate about residential & school zone speed limts; performance design=curvy streets & speed bumps in those areas #lrnchat
9:16:53 pm KoreenOlbrish: org’s need to identify why they are delivering training in the first place…then measure against expected change #lrnchat
9:16:57 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TrainingTweet Obviously engaged workforce is good. As Bear Bryant said to Tom Gilbert, tho’, “WINNIN’ motivates my boys…” #lrnchat
9:17:13 pm Erick1970: Is listening to #HRHappyHour while participating in #lrnchat. Tis hard to focus on both, adults don’t have absorbent minds.
9:17:13 pm dwilkinsnh: @randomdazzle Sometimes. Corp needs CYA as long as govt’s can shut them down. I can tell stories… #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:17:14 pm damonregan: @hjarche understand… just seems to imply a limited focus #lrnchat
9:17:15 pm gminks: @Dave_Ferguson Certification is about being well informed & credible – current in your field & know the business you support. #lrnchat
9:17:19 pm lrnchat: Q3) How do you tie organizational learning initiatives to business performance outcomes? Specifics please. #lrnchat
9:17:32 pm Priaak: @RobRobertson Yes perhaps. But in-house learning solutions also seem to use in-built assessment in the learning material as final. #lrnchat
9:17:36 pm jaycross: RT tgrevatt So if they can already perform, do they still need to learn? | No, in that case they have already learned. #lrnchat
9:17:36 pm sirlancalot: @tgrevatt what if they get to the cheese they’re own way, is re-learning required? #lrnchat
9:17:41 pm AllisonAnderson: Question – what if the learner doesn’t know it is compliance training. Do they still hate it? #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:17:46 pm Erick1970: RT @marciamarcia: I’m having a hard time w/singleminded #lrnchat “what ppl do differently.”; Sometimes, what can we do diff when we need to.
9:17:51 pm sahana2802: RT @lrnchat Q3) How do you tie organizational learning initiatives to business performance outcomes? Specifics please. #lrnchat
9:18:04 pm RobRobertson: we have wide generalizations here about the state of corp measurement…perhaps we generalize too much and too harshly #lrnchat
9:18:06 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: org’s need to identify why they are delivering training in the first place..then measure against expected change #lrnchat
9:18:13 pm KoreenOlbrish: Sure works against motivation;) RT @tgrevatt: So if they can already perform, do they still need to learn? #lrnchat
9:18:22 pm randomdazzle: @mobilemind Is perf design the same as behavior modification. My what a bunch of Skinner fans we are! #lrnchat
9:18:24 pm joe_deegan: @tgrevatt Does an org ever get to the point where they can already perform? #lrnchat
9:18:30 pm hjarche: @jaycross org learning is more than the sum of its parts, as I wrote today http://is.gd/4kHYU #lrnchat
9:18:36 pm J_Schulz: @randomdazzle Where I used 2 work compliance trng was done at the expense of technical job trng. So yes, CYA trumps performance. #lrnchat
9:18:39 pm JaneBozarth: RT @lrnchat Q3) How do you tie organizational learning initiatives to business performance outcomes? Specifics please. #lrnchat
9:18:41 pm Erick1970: RT @jaycross: @moehlert Okay, Mark, you stumped me for the moment with the individual vs. the organization learning. Orgs DO learn #lrnchat
9:18:44 pm joe_deegan: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you tie organizational learning initiatives to business performance outcomes? Specifics please. #lrnchat
9:18:44 pm matt_murray: @gminks The KSA’s. We absolutely should be trying to affect attitude changes where necessary… #lrnchat
9:18:48 pm jsuzcampos: Q3) We start with what could be better/improved and determine if learning is part of the problem (or if we just need new toner) #lrnchat
9:18:49 pm moehlert: @jaycross Only if the performance parameters are static. Right? #lrnchat
9:18:57 pm jaycross: Q3 You start by negotiating expected outcomes and causality with a business sponsor. #lrnchat
9:19:05 pm kasey428: To evaluate learning outcomes, a pre-evaluation is key, right? How do u know where to go unless u know where u start? #lrnchat
9:19:08 pm dwilkinsnh: @kasey428 Yeah but the thing is, sometimes there is a bigger picture like “end of company…” then performance is a nice to have. #lrnchat
9:19:14 pm gminks: q3) we have stuff but I’m not sure I can talk about – we have training based on quarterly initiatives #lrnchat
9:19:35 pm JaneBozarth: q3 I asked 2day what the ethical violations were that required all this training, and no one could say #lrnchat
9:19:54 pm Erick1970: RT @KoreenOlbrish: org’s need to identify why they are delivering training in the first place..then measure against expected change #lrnchat
9:20:02 pm hjarche: @damonregan all focus is limited by the org; so choose your org wisely #lrnchat
9:20:09 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q3: sometimes that alignment means people can’t continue doing what they’ve done. Saw this at GE Info Svcs… #lrnchat
9:20:11 pm sahana2802: RT @jaycross Q3 You start by negotiating expected outcomes and causality with a business sponsor. #lrnchat
9:20:28 pm jaycross: Q3) In a hierarchical structure, the boss is right. He or she is the one you must convince. It doesn’t take four-place accuracy #lrnchat
9:20:33 pm mrch0mp3rs: q3) Has anyone heard of Critical Success Factor Analysis? #lrnchat
9:20:35 pm matt_murray: Q3) Granular objectives formed for specific workgroups. Team “A” will be able to better communicate the following resulting in… #lrnchat
9:20:35 pm ranig2u: RT @jaycross: Q3 You start by negotiating expected outcomes and causality with a business sponsor. #lrnchat
9:20:36 pm hjarche: @damonregan BTW, I am very happy outside of the org #lrnchat
9:20:40 pm mpetersell: Q3 – Performance Consulting; Gilbert’s 6 boxes a good start; isolate the learning component; focus on those in objectives/metric #lrnchat
9:20:40 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q3: global data network skill set disappeared when the network was outsourced. #lrnchat
9:20:55 pm kasey428: @dwilkinsnh Improved performance is essential IMHO (unless compliance training) #lrnchat
9:20:56 pm marciamarcia: @gminks Learning measure doesn’t always=acting differently. Ability to do differently if/when you need to better. #lrnchat
9:20:57 pm Priaak: Q3: Tie the learning initiative to individual’s personal growth/career- work progression… #lrnchat
9:21:07 pm TrainingTweet: Q3 – variable bonus program with business metrics on our training team’s matrix – we’re motivated to make sure they perform #lrnchat
9:21:15 pm ranig2u: @jaycross – so is it all a matter of what you define with the biz sponsor? #lrnchat
9:21:26 pm Dave_Ferguson: @hjarche And if your org DOESN’T limit focus, you’re working for Internat’l Assn of Anarchists. They don’t pay well. #lrnchat
9:21:35 pm gminks: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q3: global data network skill set disappeared when the network was outsourced. #lrnchat
9:21:35 pm JaneBozarth: RT @marciamarcia: Learning measure doesn’t always=acting differently. Ability to do differently if/when you need to better. #lrnchat
9:21:38 pm mpetersell: Q3 – ask your business leader, what are you trying to accomplish; then figure out how you can help them – if you can #lrnchat
9:21:40 pm damonregan: @hjarche nice point… words are just words until they are interpreted #lrnchat
9:21:41 pm jsuzcampos: @mrch0mp3rs Yes (re: Critical Success Factor Analysis) #lrnchat
9:21:46 pm J_Schulz: @mrch0mp3rs ala Cog Arts? #lrnchat
9:22:00 pm Erick1970: Q3 Start with the strategic objectives & drill down to the goals, & org/individual perf. metrics – like a sales funnel #lrnchat
9:22:17 pm kelly_smith01: RT @mpetersell: Q3 – Performance Consulting; Gilberts – isolate the learning component; focus on those in objectives/metric #lrnchat
9:22:26 pm moehlert: @jaycross The anthro in me says that Org.s don’t learn – cultures do.😉 #lrnchat
9:22:28 pm AllisonAnderson: @jaycross there’s “who we want to please” and then there is “what impact we want to have” – not the same thing. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:22:38 pm jaycross: RT @mpetersell: ask your business leader, what are you trying to accomplish; then figure out how you can help them – if you can #lrnchat
9:22:46 pm mobilemind: *@randomdazzle Nope, perf design is NOT=Skinner. Includes analysis & design of goals, environ, process … & ability to change those #lrnchat
9:22:51 pm marciamarcia: @moehlert Not just the culture that prevented use/application. Can be you now understand the nuances, situation. #lrnchat
9:23:04 pm JaneBozarth: I am just wondering if law enf. officers in CO learned to look in the attic…#lrnchat
9:23:07 pm RobRobertson: Reminder to my followers I am taking part in a great weekly conversation with other learning tweeps. Stop by and contribute! #lrnchat
9:23:15 pm MariaOD: RT @Erick1970:Q3 Start with the strategic objectives& drill down to the goals, & org/individual perf. metrics -like a sales funnel #lrnchat
9:23:16 pm dwilkinsnh: @kasey428 Yeah, agreed. I was citing compliance as the exception. Otherwise yes. #lrnchat
9:23:17 pm joe_deegan: RT @mpetersell: Q3 – ask your business leader, what are you trying to accomplish; then figure out how you can help them -if you can #lrnchat
9:23:23 pm danwrona: RT @TrainingTweet: Q3 variable bonus program w/ business metrics on training team matrix – were motivated to make sure they perform #lrnchat
9:23:36 pm Digin4ed: RT @mpetersell: Q3 – ask your business leader, what are you trying to accomplish; then figure out how you can help them- if you can #lrnchat
9:23:45 pm kasey428: Ask client not only what must be measured, but how after event and then out period (TBD) #lrnchat
9:23:45 pm jaycross: Q3) How about Rummler and Brache’s performance analysis? Or is that too far back for people to remember? #lrnchat
9:23:47 pm JaneBozarth: RT @moehlert: The anthro in me says that Org.s don’t learn – cultures do.😉 #lrnchat
9:24:04 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth They’re more aware of the dangers of hot air. #lrnchat
9:24:08 pm Erick1970: @TrainingTweet Yes, exactly. Learning & performance is a “yes and” not an either or #lrnchat
9:24:34 pm mobilemind: you get what you have incentives for. Demming/Quality 101. Today all seems like process re-engineering to me I guess #lrnchat
9:24:38 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jaycross Next Rusty Nail’s on me, Jay. God bless Geary Rummler. #lrnchat
9:24:48 pm JaneBozarth: @mpetersell to my earlier point: what problem does leader want solved? #lrnchat
9:24:51 pm ranig2u: RT @JaneBozarth: I am just wondering if law enf. officers in CO learned to look in the attic… LOL! #lrnchat
9:25:00 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @Erick1970: @TrainingTweet Yes, exactly. Learning & performance is a “yes and” not an either or #lrnchat
9:25:09 pm everyselearning: RT @RobRobertson Reminder to followers great weekly conversation with other learning tweeps. Stop by and contribute! #lrnchat
9:25:12 pm ThomasStone: @jaycross Like all kinds of abstract knowledge, purely conceptual stuff, historical facts, etc. These don’t impact my behavior. #lrnchat
9:25:17 pm gminks: looking at the latest T&D…. @marciamarcia is talking about twitter! #lrnchat
9:25:17 pm hjarche: @jaycross Rummler & Brache’s performance analysis is an excellent starting point & should be understood by ALL T&D folks #lrnchat
9:25:37 pm joe_deegan: @JaneBozarth Do you think law enforcement ID’s are being asked why boy floating in balloon wasn’t covered in training? #lrnchat
9:25:49 pm kellygarber: Q3 Provide learning assets to support individual development plans #lrnchat
9:25:53 pm mobilemind: Btw, Skinner, applied behavior mod., perf. design all can leverage “natural” incentives too #lrnchat
9:25:59 pm marciamarcia: @moehlert Well then I really want to know what you mean by “learn.” I consider it transformation on some level. #lrnchat
9:26:03 pm jsuzcampos: @Dave_Ferguson As a former bartender, I must say the Rusty Nail is a very uncommon call. But you do like the Drambuie, don’t you? #lrnchat
9:26:03 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth …and, help mgrs see whether problem is WORTH solving. #lrnchat
9:26:06 pm kelly_smith01: Q3 Align with “learning” outcomes with desired outcomes of process (Rummler process model for example) #lrnchat
9:26:12 pm Abhinava: Q2 We measure that which will we know can score high… And that which lends itself to measurement… Then ‘link’ to learning… #lrnchat
9:26:17 pm hjarche: RT @Dave_Ferguson @jaycross Next Rusty Nails on me, Jay. God bless Geary Rummler | yes, indeed #lrnchat
9:26:24 pm sirlancalot: @hjarche got a link? #lrnchat
9:26:43 pm moehlert: @jaycross You mean the 9 Boxes Model? #lrnchat
9:26:45 pm mpetersell: Q3 example coming in 4 parts: Pt 1 – biz leader wants more qualified sales leads #lrnchat
9:26:52 pm KoreenOlbrish: is getting someone to think differently changing their behavior? Maybe not, but its still valuable… #lrnchat
9:27:04 pm damonregan: @mobilemind when the economy isn’t good seems the focus goes back to “are we doing the right things?” #lrnchat
9:27:05 pm TrainingTweet: @jaycross I attended PDL’s Performance Consulting Workshop before Geary passed away. It was awesome. Would highly recommend it! #lrnchat
9:27:08 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3 In an enterprise, the whole idea (CSF/Sales funnels/whatever) is that you begin with the end in mind. How’s that work for us? #lrnchat
9:27:18 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jsuzcampos One of my rules: cruimhnich tabhartas prionnsa. #lrnchat
9:27:26 pm mpetersell: Pt 2 – marketing dept outsources legwork for qualifying prospects identified in mrktng database #lrnchat
9:27:26 pm Erick1970: @marciamarcia @moehlert Maybe the culture helps set the context of what gets learned & measured? #lrnchat
9:27:39 pm tonnet: RT @ThomasStone:Like all kinds of abstract knowledge, purely conceptual stuff, historical facts. These don’t impact my behavior. #lrnchat
9:27:42 pm mobilemind: Interesting Rummler & Brache references. We use swim lane diagrams and other R&B principles throughout the org. #lrnchat
9:27:46 pm ranig2u: RT @Abhinava: Q2 We measure that we know can score high – that which lends itself to measurement – Then link to learning… #lrnchat
9:27:48 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jaycross: Q3) How about Rummler and Braches performance analysis – It is perfect for aligning process outcomes #lrnchat
9:27:49 pm tgrevatt: Agree RT @KoreenOlbrish: is getting someone to think differently changing their behavior? Maybe not, but its still valuable… #lrnchat
9:27:50 pm marciamarcia: RT @KoreenOlbrish Is getting someone to think differently changing their behavior? Maybe not, but its still valuable. #lrnchat
9:27:55 pm jsuzcampos: RT @KoreenOlbrish: is getting someone to think differently changing their behavior? #lrnchat
9:28:01 pm Erick1970: @joe_deegan @JaneBozarth ’cause you can’t have training for every specific situation??? #lrnchat
9:28:11 pm randomdazzle: Q3 #lrnchat To effectively align training with org, shouldn’t training be a social and not individual activity? #lrnchat
9:28:20 pm JaneBozarth: RT @joe_deegan: @JaneBozarth Think law enforcement ID’s are being asked why boy floating in balloon wasn’t covered in training? #lrnchat
9:28:27 pm Dave_Ferguson: @TrainingTweet You’re doomed, then. Can’t ever put up w/ trainign for training’s sake again. #lrnchat
9:28:29 pm KoreenOlbrish: Also, some training goals don’t translate to specific perf objectives (eg, critical thinking skills, complex-decision making) #lrnchat
9:28:30 pm mrch0mp3rs: Totally doesn’t matter what model it is: Tie to measures is only as good as the will to do it – reqs transparency, candor, trust #lrnchat
9:28:35 pm danwrona: @KoreenOlbrish May not change behavior, but thinking differently is sometimes a necessary step 1. #lrnchat
9:28:38 pm mpetersell: Pt 3 – training department provides training to outsourced “lead qualifiers” using new and existing product/ processs training #lrnchat
9:28:46 pm jaycross: RT @moehlert: @jaycross You mean the 9 Boxes Model? | Yes, and entire book that goes with it. #lrnchat
9:28:53 pm sirlancalot: below 70% scorers; poor test takers or poor learners…which is it, how do we know #lrnchat
9:28:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: @randomdazzle Oh, here we go with the social😉 Drink #lrnchat
9:29:06 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia OK. So tell me what transmits knowledge most effectively in a large group over time? ‘Training’ or the watercooler? #lrnchat
9:29:17 pm AllisonAnderson: @randomdazzle – learning is social, training maybe not so much. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:29:18 pm hjarche: @sirlancalot performance design labs was created by Geary Rummler http://www.performancedesignlab.com/ #lrnchat
9:29:19 pm mobilemind: @damonregan you’re right, danger & opportunity thing. Crisis often offers chance to analyze, rewire, change #lrnchat
9:29:24 pm kelly_smith01: RT @randomdazzle: Q3 #lrnchat To effectively align training with org, shouldnt training be a social and not individual activity? #lrnchat
9:29:25 pm joe_deegan: @Erick1970 @JaneBozarth I am in a constant battle of “Need to Know” vs. “Nice to Know” with SME’s #lrnchat
9:29:25 pm Erick1970: @mrch0mp3rs Maybe we are not starting with an end in mind, we’re looking how much content to crunch into 20 min of elearning. #lrnchat
9:29:30 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth I can ABSOLUTELY imagine “helium balloon awareness” training. I’m almost afraid to tweet it. #lrnchat
9:29:33 pm mpetersell: Pt 4 – biz leader counts number of qualified leads – training and marketing look good here – share the metric/credit #lrnchat
9:29:45 pm matt_murray: @marciamarcia @koreenOlbrish If we do not change the behavior, how do you justify the training? Isn’t that the point? #lrnchat
9:29:59 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @mrch0mp3rs: doesnt matter what model it is: Tie to measures only as good as the will to do it- reqs transparency, candor, trust #lrnchat
9:30:02 pm planetrussell: Q3: Went to check Rummler & Brache, but their perf. analysis page http://tr.im/BWJ9 looks all wacky (& unreadable) in #Firefox 3.5. #lrnchat
9:30:02 pm marciamarcia: All we can do is create environ where ppl can begin to think & behave differently. We can’t make them do either. #lrnchat
9:30:14 pm JaneBozarth: @dave_ferguson They’ll probably make LE officers memorize the periodic table so they’ll better understand helium #lrnchat
9:30:14 pm gminks: RT @hjarche: RT @Dave_Ferguson @jaycross I am doing a report on Rummler in Dec for school.🙂 #lrnchat
9:30:28 pm dpontefract: @moehlert @marciamarcia – isn’t it all three forms? formal, informal and social – be it expected or unexpected? #lrnchat
9:30:30 pm RobRobertson: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth I can ABSOLUTELY imagine “helium balloon awareness” training. Im almost afraid to tweet it. #lrnchat
9:30:32 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Erick1970 Why’s that? I ask rhetorically, because I already know the answer, just like your SMEs do when they do that. #lrnchat
9:30:38 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) Let’s be sure we think about all interventions too. Not just what we build for them, but what learners create for the org too. #lrnchat
9:30:38 pm tonnet: RT @AllisonAnderson: @randomdazzle – learning is social, training maybe not so much. #lrnchat #edchat
9:30:47 pm kasey428: RT @marciamarcia: All we can do is create environ where ppl can begin to think & behave differently. We cant make them do either. #lrnchat
9:30:47 pm mobilemind: @moehlert What is a water cooler? I work from home & haven’t seen one in yrs. We all carry around our own ‘survival water’ bottles #lrnchat
9:30:59 pm barrydahl: Just poured myself a Totally Naked from New Glarus (WI) Brewing Co. Now I’ll be able to keep up better. #lrnchat
9:31:03 pm odguru: @moehlert – challenging shared experiences and mutual responsibilities help groups keep each other accountable. #lrnchat
9:31:05 pm TrainingTweet: @Dave_Ferguson ah, but we can as long as performance doesn’t slip! we still have to be careful not to fall into that trap. #lrnchat
9:31:17 pm KoreenOlbrish: @matt_murray if you want to teach people to think more critically, analytically…that’s a stretch to specific perf improvement #lrnchat
9:31:19 pm J_Schulz: Q3: We seem to be assuming that there is an identifiable perf prob (reactive). How about being proactive (perf supp, policy/proc)? #lrnchat
9:31:32 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth That’s periodic training. It’s good, supports learning. #lrnchat
9:31:35 pm marciamarcia: @moehlert I’d ask if it’s transmission or uptake that matters most? #lrnchat
9:31:35 pm hjarche: @gminks I hope you post your report #lrnchat
9:31:46 pm kelly_smith01: RT Re: @randomdazzle: on social vs. individual – I think it depends on the process/task/job that is subject of training #lrnchat
9:31:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: @mobilemind i think twitter is my water cooler😉 #lrnchat
9:31:50 pm jaycross: RT @gminks: I am doing a report on Rummler in Dec for school.🙂 | For all his brilliance, he was a very humble, good guy… #lrnchat
9:31:54 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) Sometimes the best thing we can do is get out of the way and let learners define performance outcomes. #lrnchat
9:32:00 pm gminks: @planetrussell this page (Rummler?) http://bit.ly/3vJnt #lrnchat
9:32:02 pm everyselearning: I think that we have to assume/give ppl credit that they want to learn. Whether they do is a reflection on how good a job we do. #lrnchat
9:32:08 pm RobRobertson: @barrydahl proof that god loves you and wants you to be happy! Good Stuff #lrnchat
9:32:09 pm mrch0mp3rs: @J_Schulz We don’t do proactive — there’s no easy business case in that😉 #lrnchat
9:32:09 pm sahana2802: RT @dwilkinsnh Q3Let’s be sure we think abt all interventions. Not just wht we build for them, but wht learners create for the org. #lrnchat
9:32:18 pm Digin4ed: @marciamarcia agreed. Also can’t make them learn either. #lrnchat
9:32:24 pm gminks: @hjarche maybe I can talk my partner into previewing it if we can get a volunteer audience…. #lrnchat
9:32:37 pm kellygarber: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @mobilemind i think twitter is my water cooler😉 #lrnchat
9:32:39 pm kelly_smith01: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q3) Sometimes the best thing we can do is get out of the way and let learners define performance outcomes. #lrnchat
9:32:51 pm lmockford: RT @gminks RT @JaneBozarth: Can evil Jane ask: Are we assuming too much? Is mgmt interest always “learning”? #lrnchat
9:32:53 pm ranig2u: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q3) Sometimes the best thing we can do is get out of the way and let learners define performance outcomes. #lrnchat
9:32:58 pm planetrussell: @jaycross @moehlert: Not 100% sure, but references to 9 Boxes Model may trigger one of those things from @Quinnovator. #lrnchat
9:32:59 pm everyselearning: To assume that they did not learn is because of their predisposition, is a cop out. #lrnchat
9:33:02 pm matt_murray: @KoreenOlbrish I feel like changing thinking results in a behavioral change. Our goal is to affect a specific behavioral change.. #lrnchat
9:33:05 pm dmirliss: RT @moehlert: RT @ddraper: Interesting article on educational social software. http://bit.ly/3mtQ11 #lrnchat
9:33:09 pm joe_deegan: Off topic: How the heck do you measure the effectiveness of job aids over time? #lrnchat
9:33:12 pm jaycross: Rummler: http://bit.ly/tNV7z #lrnchat
9:33:12 pm Erick1970: @mrch0mp3rs My sarcasm runs high this evening. #lrnchat
9:33:40 pm JaneBozarth: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q3) Sometimes the best thing we can do is get out of the way and let learners define performance outcomes. #lrnchat
9:33:49 pm hjarche: @gminks OK, I’m a volunteer audience & can rope in a few more #lrnchat
9:33:50 pm kasey428: Check out Dave’s Whiteboard on Rummler and Brache http://www.daveswhiteboard.com/archives/976 #lrnchat
9:33:54 pm everyselearning: RT @mobilemind i think twitter is my water cooler😉 #lrnchat
9:33:55 pm sahana2802: Q3. Cld it be user generated content flowing into and becoming a part of the training content? #lrnchat
9:33:55 pm RobRobertson: RT @everyselearning: To assume that they did not learn is because of their predisposition, is a cop out. #lrnchat
9:33:59 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Erick1970 As does mine. SOCIABLE!!!! #lrnchat
9:33:59 pm Dave_Ferguson: @planetrussell Carl Binder has a Six Boxes model, similar to Gilbert. #lrnchat
9:34:00 pm kelly_smith01: RT @kellygarber: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @mobilemind i think twitter is my water cooler😉 –> twitter is my “think tank” #lrnchat
9:34:05 pm willswords: Q3) One way is to sell your training to other people – they you can show $ outcomes :-p #lrnchat
9:34:15 pm tonnet: Well put. RT @lmockford @gminks @JaneBozarth: Can evil Jane ask: Are we assuming too much? Is mgmt interest always “learning”? #lrnchat
9:34:22 pm KoreenOlbrish: @joe_deegan what is the job aid supporting? is performance of that task improved? #lrnchat
9:34:22 pm moehlert: @Erick1970 @marciamarcia #lrnchat Bingo!
9:34:29 pm JaneBozarth: @joe_deegan Not off topic, and touches on the problem of myth of ROI. #lrnchat
9:34:32 pm dpontefract: @joe_deegan effectiveness is whether the ecosystem starts coming up with them and not the ‘training department’ re: job aids #lrnchat
9:34:36 pm JaneBozarth: @joe_deegan And I don’t know. #lrnchat
9:34:38 pm randomdazzle: #lrnchat Maybe we can we learn about Rummler in, say, a targeted 30 minute special lrnchat segment?? #lrnchat
9:34:49 pm J_Schulz: @mrch0mp3rs Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. Silly me. Never mind then!😉 #lrnchat
9:34:57 pm moehlert: @mobilemind #lrnchat See @koreenolbrish “Twitter is my watercooler”
9:35:15 pm planetrussell: @gminks No, different page. Looks fine, too. Everything’s scrunched up in this one, though: http://tr.im/BWJ9 #lrnchat
9:35:16 pm lrnchat: Q4) Metrics are only a piece of the “showing value” story. What else can you use? #lrnchat
9:35:22 pm danwrona: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q3) Sometimes the best thing we can do is get out of the way and let learners define performance outcomes. #lrnchat
9:35:23 pm Dave_Ferguson: Blog plug: Tom Gilbert’s model for creating incompetence. http://bit.ly/LRbfx #lrnchat
9:35:29 pm kelly_smith01: RT @joe_deegan: How the heck do you measure the effectiveness of job aids over time? ->incident reports., accidents, downtime #lrnchat
9:35:32 pm sillysillyson: @mrch0mp3rs Oh yeah, I forgot about that part. Silly me. Never mind then!😉 #lrnchat
9:35:36 pm mrch0mp3rs: @randomdazzle And on a very special epsiode of #lrnchat… #lrnchat
9:35:40 pm barrydahl: Our Action Analytics project is for early intervention 4 struggling learners. We can identify them, but not the proper intervention #lrnchat
9:35:55 pm willswords: Q3) How about asking the question, “How much would you have paid for this training?” in the evaluation? #lrnchat
9:35:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Metrics are only a piece of the “showing value” story. What else can you use? #lrnchat
9:35:59 pm jaycross: RT @randomdazzle: Maybe we can we learn about Rummler in, say, a targeted 30 minute special lrnchat segment?? | Nuggetchat. #lrnchat
9:36:13 pm mpetersell: RT @randomdazzle: #lrnchat Maybe we can we learn about Rummler in special lrnchat segment?? – I second! #lrnchat
9:36:16 pm jaycross: Nuggetchat: learning in sound bites. #lrnchat
9:36:18 pm ThomasStone: uh… both are metaphorical at best! RT @moehlert: @jaycross The anthro in me says that Org.s don’t learn – cultures do.😉 #lrnchat
9:36:35 pm matt_murray: Q4) Attitudes. Organizational attitude towards learning is a good measure of how receptive your learners are. #lrnchat
9:36:35 pm ranig2u: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Metrics are only a piece of the “showing value” story. What else can you use? #lrnchat
9:36:36 pm mobilemind: for many it is & like w. cooler, one can’t hang there all day RT @KoreenOlbrish: @mobilemind i think twitter is my water cooler😉 #lrnchat
9:36:41 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia #lrnchat Yes. Both determined by culture which also determines metrics
9:36:56 pm kelly_smith01: Q4: Testimony of expert/top performers or/and supervisor feedback and/or happy customer #lrnchat
9:37:06 pm ranig2u: RT @willswords: Q3) How about asking the question, “How much would you have paid for this training?” in the evaluation? #lrnchat
9:37:14 pm planetrussell: @Dave_Ferguson Re: Binder vs, Gilbert models – thanks. Was not aware of that. Helpful to know. #lrnchat
9:37:14 pm joe_deegan: @KoreenOlbrish How about tech reference materials? I suppose decreased errors. Hard to know if they are learning from the job aid. #lrnchat
9:37:16 pm randomdazzle: @jaycross Nugatchat would be learning bites. #lrnchat
9:37:18 pm taeberhart: @ARL275 fyi, #lrnchat is going on now, std time is Thursday’s 8:30 – 10 EST.
9:37:19 pm jaycross: “showing the value: I like experience stories. Anecdotal but powerful. Reading “Made to Stick” now #lrnchat
9:37:24 pm MariaOD: RT @willswords: Q3) How about asking the question, “How much would you have paid for this training?” in the evaluation? #lrnchat
9:37:28 pm barrydahl: Q4) Metrics are only a piece of the “showing value” story. True. We must be better storytellers and find spaces to tell them #lrnchat
9:37:29 pm Erick1970: RT @matt_murray: Q4) Attitudes. Organizational attitude towards learning is a good measure of how receptive your learners are. #lrnchat
9:37:37 pm Dave_Ferguson: @randomdazzle Meanwhile, I wrote 3-4 posts on Rummler/Brache ‘Improving Performance’ http://bit.ly/2raf6p (sorry 4 2nd self plug) #lrnchat
9:37:40 pm mrch0mp3rs: @dwilkinsnh That might fly in enlightened orgs. Orgs still getting comfy with going flat have real challenges losing “control.” #lrnchat
9:37:47 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jaycross: RT @randomdazzle: Maybe we can we learn about Rummler in, say, a targeted 30 minute special lrnchat? | Nuggetchat. #lrnchat
9:37:49 pm ThomasStone: Individuals learn, not abstractions like culture or groups like orgs. Harold’s point valid: orgs can *do more* than sum of parts. #lrnchat
9:38:01 pm marciamarcia: Enterprise Micro-learning. RT @jaycross Nuggetchat: learning in sound bites. #lrnchat
9:38:04 pm tonnet: Twitter can b effective 4 #lrnchat if u hv ppl w/ common interests all tweeting together at the same time. How do you measure this learning?
9:38:12 pm mobilemind: WHat level of Kirkpatrick evaluation would we use with Rummler & Brache #lrnchat Everybody drink
9:38:15 pm gminks: but aren’t stories metrics? Just a different form (not hard numbers….but still a metric?) #lrnchat
9:38:24 pm jaycross: Marcia turned me on to “Made to Stick” and I am thoroughly enjoying it. Emotional stories are quite convincing. People, not stats #lrnchat
9:38:29 pm RandySmithCan: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4: Testimony of expert/top performers or/and supervisor feedback and/or happy customer #lrnchat
9:38:32 pm JaneBozarth: Evil Jane asks: Do learners know when they’ve learned? #lrnchat
9:38:44 pm KoreenOlbrish: @joe_deegan job aids are really just timely performance support…don’t know how much you learn from them🙂 #lrnchat
9:38:46 pm dwilkinsnh: Q4) How about a Net Promoter Score for learning interventions? Would you recommend this learning / training to others…? #lrnchat
9:38:46 pm busynessgirl: Missing #lrnchat . I need my high! I’ll share one thing.
9:38:50 pm Digin4ed: RT @lrnchat: Q4) Metrics are only a piece of the “showing value” story. What else can you use? #lrnchat
9:39:10 pm Dave_Ferguson: @mrch0mp3rs I think that’s very true. Many (most?) of my clients in past 6-7 years still hierarchical. But solvent. #lrnchat
9:39:10 pm matt_murray: @MariaOD @willswords this would work if you gave everyone a budget to work from (how much would you pay for this training) #lrnchat
9:39:22 pm joe_deegan: @kelly_smith01 My struggle is knowing if they are learning from the job aid or another source. #lrnchat
9:39:22 pm littleasklab: us socme analytics for RT @matt_murray Q4) Organizational attitude…is a good measure of how receptive your learners are. #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm mrch0mp3rs: Righteous! RT @barrydahl: Q4) Metricsonly a piece of “showing value.” We must be better storytellers and find spaces to tell them. #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm tonnet: RT @barrydahl Metrics are only a piece of the ‘showing value’ story. True. We must b better storytellers & find spaces to tell them #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm Abhinava: I agree barrydahl: Q4) Metrics are only part of the “showing value” story. True. We must be better storytellers #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm Erick1970: Q4) Use real stories from real learners on how the learning helped them like Brinkerhoff suggests #lrnchat
9:39:28 pm Priaak: Show how little the gap is between expectations and outcome (hopefully none)… no excel sheets and mean looking numbers #lrnchat
9:39:29 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: Evil Jane asks: Do learners know when they’ve learned? #lrnchat They know when they’ve been “trained”😉
9:39:36 pm jaycross: RT @mobilemind: WHat level of Kirkpatrick evaluation would we use with Rummler & Brache #lrnchat Everybody drink } A DOUBLE #lrnchat
9:39:44 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth When they can catch the fly with the chopsticks. #lrnchat
9:39:48 pm Digin4ed: Q4 – Observed behavior change & new outputs sometimes #lrnchat
9:39:56 pm AllisonAnderson: @JaneBozarth do learners know they’ve learned? I almost hope not – might go running the other way… #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:39:57 pm kwooleyy: RT @marciamarcia All we can do is create environ where ppl can begin to think & behave differently. We can’t make them do either. #lrnchat
9:39:59 pm kasey428: RT @jaycross: Marcia turned me on to “Made to Stick” … Emotional stories are quite convincing. People, not stats #lrnchat
9:40:05 pm Erick1970: @JaneBozarth Not always. #lrnchat
9:40:08 pm KoreenOlbrish: @jaycross stories sell, and IDs are often not adept at telling our success stories in ways that are meaningful to the organization #lrnchat
9:40:10 pm everyselearning: If it were yr pocket RT @willswords:How about asking the question”How much would you have paid for this training?”in the evaluation #lrnchat
9:40:17 pm busynessgirl: #lrnchat There are a ton of ways to measure teaching and learning in the Prezi presentation I posted last weekend.
9:40:19 pm moehlert: @jaycross Amen. Made to Stick is awesome read (or listen) #lrnchat
9:40:22 pm joe_deegan: @KoreenOlbrish Well put! Job Aids are reminders of what you learned previously in many cases. #lrnchat
9:40:27 pm willswords: Q4) Go on strike? #lrnchat
9:40:33 pm dwilkinsnh: @mrch0mp3rs Yeah totally. I think though that we have to look for these opptys and slip them in guerrilla style when we can… ; ) #lrnchat
9:40:41 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Anybody else want an Oreo?
9:40:46 pm tonnet: re: metrics “Emotional stories are quite convincing. People, not stats.” #lrnchat via @jaycross
9:40:49 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish @joe_deegan Learning is secondary with PS. Measures might be reduced help desk calls, etc. #lrnchat.
9:40:50 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Dave_Ferguson A whale is only killed by whalers, right? What else in the ocean kills a big-ass whale? Grasping for a metaphor. #lrnchat
9:40:52 pm trainerLaura: See my blog 2day. RT @Erick1970 @ranig2u @JaneBozarth Does “compliance” = “learning”? #lrnchat Not always. Esp. if behaviors go undergrnd.
9:40:57 pm jaycross: Re: “My struggle is knowing if they are learning from the job aid or another source” | If it works, do it. #lrnchat
9:41:05 pm ThomasStone: @KoreenOlbrish Yes, thinking differently is definitely behaving differently! Thinking is one of our most important behaviors! #lrnchat
9:41:08 pm tgrevatt: @MariaOD: @willswords: Wonder how much training we would pay for from our own pockets – needs a high personal reward/meaning. #lrnchat
9:41:13 pm busynessgirl: #lrnchat You can find it at teachingcollegemath.com … Post from Monday.
9:41:15 pm sirlancalot: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q3) Sometimes the best thing we can do is get out of the way and let learners define performance outcomes. #lrnchat
9:41:16 pm kwooleyy: @kscottderrick @sporing @krazykriz Great conversation happening at #lrnchat
9:41:24 pm JaneBozarth: Since Brinkerhoff has come up tonight, might I also mention Stufflebeam? There are other approaches to evaluation. #lrnchat
9:41:38 pm Digin4ed: @moehlert which kind? #lrnchat
9:41:41 pm kelly_smith01: @joe_deegan I base my opinion on using job aids in only critical situations for example flight checklist or medical device usage #lrnchat
9:41:41 pm kellygarber: Q4: tough question since anything measurable has metric potential #lrnchat
9:41:46 pm mrch0mp3rs: @dwilkinsnh We do… but guerilla is a tactic, right? Eventually we need to turn a higher-up person to the dark side of the Force. #lrnchat
9:41:47 pm JaneBozarth: PS: I always said if I had a cat I’d name him Mr. Stufflebeam. #lrnchat
9:41:47 pm marciamarcia: Let’s please not replace one hammer with another. Different measures useful to measure different things. #lrnchat
9:41:49 pm Dave_Ferguson: @mrch0mp3rs Other that disease (enables smaller predators), only old age. #lrnchat
9:41:53 pm jaycross: BTW, I’m changing my self-definition to “storyteller” #lrnchat
9:42:06 pm dpontefract: maybe i’ve missed it, but has anyone mentioned ’employee engagement’ … this is a direct correlation to human perf & culture #lrnchat
9:42:13 pm kasey428: RT @jaycross: Re: “My struggle is knowing if they are learning from the job aid or another source” | If it works, do it. #lrnchat
9:42:15 pm Erick1970: @mrch0mp3rs @Dave_Ferguson disease #lrnchat
9:42:29 pm mpetersell: Q4 – evidence of applied learning – are they doing things learned in training; does it make a difference? (back to metrics) #lrnchat
9:42:39 pm Digin4ed: RT @tonnet: re: metrics “Emotional stories are quite convincing. People, not stats.” #lrnchat via @jaycross
9:42:39 pm gminks: RT @marciamarcia: Lets please not replace one hammer with another. Different measures useful to measure different things. #lrnchat
9:42:39 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia I’ve been told I’m dumber than a whole bag full of hammers. #lrnchat
9:42:40 pm kelly_smith01: RT @moehlert: #lrnchat Anybody else want an Oreo? ——-> Milk Duds for me #lrnchat
9:43:02 pm mrch0mp3rs: Many of us present at confs (#dl09). If ppl are tweeting my session, I know they’re learning something. I can measure that. #lrnchat
9:43:18 pm Erick1970: RT @tonnet: re: metrics “Emotional stories are quite convincing. People, not stats.” #lrnchat via @jaycross
9:43:19 pm Priaak: RT @marciamarcia: Lets please not replace one hammer with another. Different measures useful to measure different things. #lrnchat
9:43:22 pm mobilemind: *@mrch0mp3rs What else in ocean kills a big whale? A tiny virus. Some might say sonar testing too. #lrnchat
9:43:31 pm sahana2802: Reading:”Rummler Brache | The Nine Boxes Model”, http://bit.ly/3raLNZ #lrnchat
9:43:31 pm RandySmithCan: Amen! RT @marciamarcia: Let’s please not replace one hammer with another. Different measures useful to measure different things. #lrnchat
9:43:47 pm ThomasStone: @KoreenOlbrish I think critical thinking / complex-decision making are amenable to POsm “identify fallacy” / “make best judgement” #lrnchat
9:43:53 pm JaneBozarth: RT @mrch0mp3rs:Many of us present at confs. If ppl are tweeting my session, I know they’re learning something. I can measure that. #lrnchat
9:43:53 pm matt_murray: Q4) The NPS question is a great measure: “How likely would you be to recommend this traiing to a colleague?” #lrnchat
9:43:56 pm MariaOD: We are starting a video soundboard to record learning stories. #lrnchat
9:44:10 pm magdaZINE: Setting up for my podcast workshop at NW documentary. Sorry I missed #lrnchat
9:44:15 pm J_Schulz: @moehlert Are they the Halloween kind, or the double stuffed golden Oreo’s? #lrnchat
9:44:15 pm dwilkinsnh: @mrch0mp3rs Yes. “Luke, I am your father…” and all that… : ) #lrnchat
9:44:16 pm kwooleyy: RT @jaycross Learning is the path; performance is the destination. #lrnchat
9:44:22 pm jaycross: Back channel is an interesting new phenomenon #lrnchat
9:44:25 pm kelly_smith01: I need a job aid 4 reading Tweet chats and typing at the same time and avoiding typos and late messages #lrnchat
9:44:25 pm mobilemind: where are the double-blind studies of learning/training done in corp. world? #lrnchat
9:44:31 pm jaycross: Instant feedback #lrnchat
9:44:35 pm tonya_simmons: @mrch0mp3rs tweeting session – how do you know they’re not just spitting back what you’ve just told them? #lrnchat
9:44:45 pm jaycross: Sense and respond in real time #lrnchat
9:44:51 pm mrch0mp3rs: My whale point being we can’t underestimate the stamina of a big lumbering company to survive in spite of itself. #lrnchat
9:44:53 pm ranig2u: Q4) are learning memes making it into the culture? listen. #lrnchat
9:45:23 pm mrch0mp3rs: @tonya_simmons Even spitting it back, is internalizing in some way. #lrnchat
9:45:26 pm willswords: Q4) I like asking the hypothetical question, if none of us came to work for a month, what would happen? #lrnchat
9:45:27 pm randomdazzle: RT @mobilemind: where are the double-blind studies of learning/training done in corp. world? #lrnchat
9:45:33 pm Priaak: RT @jaycross Back channel is an interesting new phenomenon #lrnchat
9:45:38 pm jaycross: RT @mobilemind: where are the double-blind studies of learning/training done in corp. world? } We don’t need no stinking badges #lrnchat
9:45:42 pm moehlert: @jaycross Is the back channel new or is it just the speed and scale that’s new? #lrnchat
9:45:43 pm danwrona: RT @mobilemind: where are the double-blind studies of learning/training done in corp. world? #lrnchat
9:45:56 pm Dave_Ferguson: @mobilemind Trng/lrng usually too far down to sell funding of controlled studies. Maybe just as well. #lrnchat
9:45:58 pm marciamarcia: Earlier today I asked my twitter followers what they were measuring (1 of…) #lrnchat
9:45:59 pm ThomasStone: YES! RT @KoreenOlbrish: @mobilemind i think twitter is my water cooler😉 #lrnchat
9:46:04 pm moehlert: @J_Schulz Halloween #lrnchat
9:46:11 pm MariaOD: The NPS seems to make sense to only trainers. Is there a good way to explain it to the leadership in lang they can be excited about #lrnchat
9:46:13 pm tonya_simmons: @mrch0mp3rs surviving and thriving are two very different things – which do you want to do? #lrnchat
9:46:14 pm kellygarber: @kelly_smith01 job aids do have their limits!🙂 #lrnchat
9:46:14 pm mrch0mp3rs: @tonya_simmons The worst thing that can happen afaic is that they don’t tweet about the session at all -> no resonance = not sticky #lrnchat
9:46:23 pm littleasklab: then there’s the longtail RT @jaycross Back channel is an interesting new phenomenon #lrnchat
9:46:23 pm Dave_Ferguson: @mrch0mp3rs Oh, hell, you don’t want a whale. You want General Motors. #lrnchat
9:46:30 pm gminks: @danwrona who in the corp world has time for double blind studies? #lrnchat
9:46:37 pm jaycross: RT @moehlert: @jaycross Is the back channel new or is it just the speed and scale thats new? } Not new, but now accessible by all #lrnchat
9:46:56 pm Erick1970: RT @moehlert: @jaycross Is the back channel new or is it just the speed and scale that’s new? #lrnchat
9:47:05 pm kelly_smith01: RT @mrch0m… Point being we cant underestimate the stamina of big lumbering company 2 survive in spite of itself. ->I know brother #lrnchat
9:47:06 pm tonnet: RT @megormi Training should be social! I love the particip. that comm. that they came to #lrnchat, not interact w/ others. Don’t look 4 me!
9:47:07 pm Dave_Ferguson: @moehlert Backchannel is new by virtue of: ease of particip., availability, potential permanence. #lrnchat
9:47:33 pm lmockford: RT @MariaOD We are starting a video soundboard to record learning stories. #lrnchat < or the money to do so? #lrnchat
9:48:08 pm Priaak: RT @Dave_Ferguson @moehlert Backchannel is new by virtue of: ease of particip., availability, potential permanence #lrnchat
9:48:11 pm mrch0mp3rs: @tonya_simmons It’s not me that wants to be a whale. I’m just calling it like I see it. Big companies still lumber on. #lrnchat
9:48:12 pm visualrinse: @lrnchat Hard skills training usually has very measurable metrics – uptime, productivity gained, safety increased, etc. #lrnchat
9:48:13 pm mobilemind: *@KoreenOlbrish I say twitter is a social prosthetic- reinforces, strengthens, extends social reach, strength, capability of user #lrnchat
9:48:18 pm kelly_smith01: @kellygarber Job aids R limited. Yes. I took some Harless training on that. #lrnchat
9:48:18 pm TrainingTweet: Help – what is back channel? #lrnchat
9:48:22 pm marciamarcia: Other measures from @WayneNH: mentions, +/-, potential reach… #lrnchat
9:48:27 pm odguru: RT @jaycross: RT @moehlert: @jaycross Is the back channel new < background chatter going on during an event (class, conf etc) #lrnchat
9:50:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: @joe_deegan Backchannel: live stream (like Twitter w/ hashtag) during a presentation like at a conference. #lrnchat
9:50:39 pm mrch0mp3rs: I agree! RT @mpetersell: @mrch0mp3rs soft skills metrics can be promotions, turnover, employee engagement scores #lrnchat
9:50:39 pm Priaak: Imagine getting a buy in from the business sponsor for back channel… #lrnchat
9:50:43 pm marciamarcia: Well of course! RT @hjarche I think we should weigh learners http://is.gd/4luVe that will give us real ROI! #lrnchat
9:50:48 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jaycross: ….And a steel-trap mind. —-> I feel my mind is IN a steel trap. #lrnchat
9:51:03 pm matt_murray: @dpontefract How about collaboration=engagement=learning=performance? #lrnchat
9:51:10 pm jaycross: RT @moehlert: @jaycross No ONE could EVER do that…….😉 } Probably any 10 year old could keep up; none of us over 40. #lrnchat
9:51:11 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @jaycross I say twitter is a social prosthetic- } Great line. Its like me calling my hearing aids “augmented reality” #lrnchat
9:51:15 pm KoreenOlbrish: @sirlancalot a lot of mobile learning initiatives are based on learning in sound bites #lrnchat
9:51:20 pm marciamarcia: RT @smashadv @marciamarcia I use the old fashioned way of viewing measurement. Investment divided by sales. #lrnchat
9:51:23 pm Dave_Ferguson: @mrch0mp3rs It’s your point — GM kept lumbering on for 40 years. JUST NOW getting rid of some. #lrnchat
9:51:23 pm barrydahl: “Like a tiny blade of grass in a great big field” “I’m just another statistic on the sheet” “Shout out at the ocean- hey it’s me!” #lrnchat
9:51:23 pm dpontefract: @sirlancalot we’re building out YouTube for our 35k+ org – that will be loads of soundbites #lrnchat
9:51:35 pm planetrussell: Q4 Learning memes crossing into pop culture, but by other names: “virality,” “stickiness,” “call(s) to action” = implicit learning #lrnchat
9:51:38 pm espnguyen: Q3) We have been experimenting with NetPromoter score at our org. Ok measure but need supporting data too #lrnchat
9:51:45 pm Erick1970: @TrainingTweet An example of a back channel are the tweets that happen during a conference. #lrnchat
9:52:04 pm ThomasStone: We do every Thursday, as answers to Q0 prove RT @JaneBozarth: Evil Jane asks: Do learners know when they’ve learned? #lrnchat
9:52:14 pm joe_deegan: Joe – Training departments computer geek – Sacramento – It was great chatting with you tonight #lrnchat
9:52:17 pm moehlert: @lrnchat Wrap – Mark Oehlert here – Anyone going to DevLearn 09 and wanna do something in the Social Learning Camp – MSG me pls. #lrnchat
9:52:36 pm matt_murray: @espnguyen Love the NPS. If it is asked per training. #lrnchat
9:52:36 pm Erick1970: RT @marciamarcia I use the old fashioned way of viewing measurement. Investment divided by sales. #lrnchat
9:52:41 pm KoreenOlbrish: tweetchat has failed me #lrnchat
9:52:41 pm Priaak: RT @Dave_Ferguson @joe_deegan Backchannel: live stream (like Twitter w/ hashtag) during a presentation like at a conference. #lrnchat
9:52:45 pm allynr: In an org, why would you train or measure anything not aligned to org goals/mission/direction etc doesn’t that determine metrics?#lrnchat
9:52:49 pm jaycross: Jay Cross, taking Robin Good’s course on Professional Online Publishing now. http://jaycross.com needs a lot of work. Suggestions? #lrnchat
9:53:02 pm randomdazzle: Back channel : A natural language replacement for body language. In a meeting at least. #lrnchat
9:53:08 pm ranig2u: RT @planetrussell: Q4 Learning memes crossing into pop culture, but by other names: “virality,” “stickiness…=implicit learning #lrnchat
9:53:20 pm RobRobertson: @Priaak we are encouraging it where the tech allows. (back channel) #lrnchat
9:53:25 pm dpontefract: @matt_murray i like that better🙂 #lrnchat
9:53:25 pm jaycross: Free online conference in November: LearnTrends 2009. Visit http://learntrends.com #lrnchat
9:53:34 pm dwilkinsnh: Research by McBassi & Company suggests that learning investment can predict stock performance in the out years. #lrnchat
9:53:46 pm Digin4ed: @marciamarcia The fact the people weigh the same after death as before bods ill for high mark coming out of this approach.#lrnchat
9:53:52 pm TrainingTweet: @Erick1970 Thanks – one more cool buzz word to add to my ever-growing vocabulary. #lrnchat
9:53:56 pm jaycross: RT @randomdazzle: Back channel : A natural language replacement for body language. In a meeting at least. { LOVE IT! #lrnchat
9:53:59 pm Erick1970: Erick from Arkansas, Org Effectiveness Analyst/Consultant, @ASTDNWA 09 Pres. #lrnchat
9:54:04 pm kelly_smith01: Back Channel: An escape route #lrnchat
9:54:06 pm joe_deegan: @KoreenOlbrish Tweetchat worked well for me tonight. #lrnchat
9:54:34 pm kelly_smith01: RT @jaycross: Free online conference in November: LearnTrends 2009. Visit http://learntrends.com #lrnchat
9:54:41 pm kellygarber: for some, cheaper to create more training then invest time/money to evaluate effectiveness of training -something will stick. #lrnchat
9:54:42 pm SueSchnorr: RT @jaycross: Free online conference in November: LearnTrends 2009. Visit http://learntrends.com #lrnchat
9:54:44 pm barrydahl: Barry Dahl from Duluth. Check out the #ITC10 eLearning conference (Feb). Great keynotes and much more. http://bit.ly/1vm6Rv #lrnchat
9:54:48 pm TrainingTweet: Amy – Learning and Development for Pinnacol in Denver. Tonight was fun – thanks all! #lrnchat
9:54:54 pm jaycross: RT @Erick1970: Erick from Arkansas, Org Effectiveness Analyst/Consultant, @ASTDNWA 09 Pres. WHERE IN ARKANSAS? #lrnchat
9:54:57 pm dpontefract: if anyone is going to SharePoint 09 conf in Las Vega$, let me know – starts Sunday – dp, head of learning at big telco – outta here #lrnchat
9:55:04 pm matt_murray: @dpontefract lol.. #lrnchat
9:55:22 pm MariaOD: Maria/Columbus, Ohio- OD Specialist at the Columbus Metropolitan Library. Looking to measure beyond the smile sheet. #lrnchat
9:55:23 pm mobilemind: wrap-up: Tom King; Seattle, WA; Interoperability Evangelist for Questionmark. by for now. Dinner awaits. #lrnchat
9:55:29 pm Erick1970: @TrainingTweet You are welcome #lrnchat
9:55:40 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish Yeah, tweetchat going waaaay slow. #lrnchat
9:55:41 pm mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, http://www.aaronsilvers.com/ – You can help me by keeping me engaged, learning — and hitting my session at #dl09🙂 #lrnchat
9:55:47 pm KoreenOlbrish: Alright, since I can’t keep up, I’ll wrap up:) Koreen Olbrish, learner on the loose just west of Philly, Tandem Learning #lrnchat
9:55:48 pm sahana2802: Sahana, Pune, India. ID, learner, love #lrnchat and learning beyond expectation every time I come here.
9:55:55 pm tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, Ames, IA production designer for Phasient Learning Technologies #lrnchat
9:55:59 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith ISD etc. person of interest Northern Texas #lrnchat
9:56:01 pm mpetersell: Mike from Connecticut http://bit.ly/1AhfA6 #lrnchat
9:56:16 pm ranig2u: signing off from Palo Alto – thx for the twit-stream known as lrnchat #lrnchat
9:56:19 pm sahana2802: RT @jaycross Free online conference in November: LearnTrends 2009. Visit http://learntrends.com #lrnchat
9:56:22 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, always looking for a better way, learned a lot from uguys 2nite. How will I measure it @JaneBozarth? I know I learned. #lrnchat
9:56:30 pm TrainingTweet: RT @jaycross: Free online conference in November: LearnTrends 2009. Visit http://learntrends.com #lrnchat #astd #trdev
9:56:33 pm Dave_Ferguson: Hey, DC-area lrnchat folks — contact me if you’re interested in LRN-CAP, Capitol area meetup. #lrnchat
9:56:46 pm roninchef: Mason Masteka Elearning Developer. As a maker I am realising there is a lot about tonight’s chat I’m going to need to read up on. #lrnchat
9:56:50 pm marciamarcia: Doing something neato w/media repositories, microsharing, expert directories? Pls make contact w/me. Many thx #lrnchat
9:56:53 pm KoreenOlbrish: I’ve heard that zombies are on the loose…go here to join the resistance za.hybrid-dev.com #dl09za #lrnchat
9:57:02 pm gminks: Gina, outside Boston, Grad student and course developer sometimes instructor for #EMC, looking @ snow on the radar !!!! #lrnchat
9:57:06 pm matt_murray: I am gong to continue the metrics discussion tomorrow at http://etrainertalk.blogspot.com Check out current “Tough Trainees” talk #lrnchat
9:57:07 pm AllisonAnderson: Allison from Portland Oregon (in the rain) #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:57:31 pm J_Schulz: John Schulz, Chicago: Learning Strategist (thanks @mrch0mp3rs !) (damn, forgot the #lrnchat tag!)
9:57:41 pm mpetersell: Mike from Connecticut – harnessing informal learning in corp learning #lrnchat
9:57:42 pm kelly_smith01: Kirkpatrick Kirkpatrick Level 4 – Needed to finish this glass #lrnchat
9:57:46 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: I’ve heard that zombies are on the loose…go here to join the resistance za.hybrid-dev.com #dl09za #lrnchat
9:57:47 pm Digin4ed: Terry Eberhart, Rochester NY, #lrnchat
9:57:50 pm Dave_Ferguson: Dave Ferguson, daveswhiteboard.com, instructional design, perf. improvement smuggler, remembering gift of the prince. #lrnchat
9:57:53 pm dwilkinsnh: Dave Wilkins, Exec Director of Prod Marketing at Learn.com. Amazed that this just keeps getting better week after week… #lrnchat
9:58:01 pm JaneBozarth: Raleigh NC, love trainers and training, and #lrnchat
9:58:23 pm MariaOD: Will making learners accountable make them ‘like us less?’ #lrnchat
9:58:27 pm Priaak: Sivapriya, San Mateo, CA … great chat. Have to read through the transcript once it is up to ensure I haven’t missed anything. #lrnchat
9:59:02 pm kellygarber: Qwrap: Kelly Garber, freelance Instructional Designer – sunny florida. #lrnchat
9:59:15 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls remember to submit Qs & theme ideas for upcoming chats at http://sn.im/lrnchat. See u next week!
9:59:17 pm damonregan: Damon Regan from Orlando — looking forward to reviewing the transcript — seems like a good topic for a follow-up #lrnchat
9:59:25 pm ThomasStone: RT @dwilkinsnh: backchannel was hand written notes in class that were frowned upon; now as enlightened educators, we encourage it #lrnchat
9:59:28 pm matt_murray: Thanks to all. Another great night of #lrnchat
9:59:53 pm danwrona: Dan Wrona, leadership skills trainer, perpetually looking for ways to measure student development. thanks everyone for your ideas! #lrnchat
10:00:07 pm planetrussell: @Dave_Ferguson Thanks. Checking out your Binder/6-boxes info now. Also interested in LRN-CAP in MD/DC/VA. #lrnchat
10:00:23 pm kelly_smith01: Great chat, but let me run a Level 4 before I let you know my official feedback #lrnchat
10:00:30 pm Digin4ed: Thanks @lrnchat Thanks all and to all a good night. #lrnchat

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