Transcript 01 Oct 2009

8:30 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
8:30 pm jaycross: #lrnchat has evolved into the meeting place of the learning professional’s Community of Practice. #lrnchat
8:30 pm Quinnovator: about to flood the tweetstream with #lrnchat for the next 90 mins, apologies in advance, but better yet, join us!
8:30 pm littleasklab: RT @moehlert: Standard Warning Followers: For about the next 90 minutes, I’ll b chatting via #lrnchat -lots of good learning tweets #lrnchat
8:30 pm magdaZINE: Going to miss #lrnchat for the next 4 sessions. Teaching a podcast class at NW documentary
8:30 pm kelly_smith01: Are the lrnchat tweets 12 hours behind @mizminh? #lrnchat
8:30 pm oxala75: Dear PLN: if you don’t know what a PLN is, please ignore my tweets for the next hour or so. #lrnchat
8:31 pm JaneBozarth: Followers: Hang on for the flurry of #lrnchat tweets. Join in!
8:31 pm ethanwaldman: has anyone tried out @artwiculate? its fun and a great way to learn new words. and its social! how perspicacious of me🙂 #lrnchat
8:32 pm carmean: Hooking up to the #lrnchat bullet train for next 90 mins. Join us if you love learning. And chatting. About learning. #lrnchat
8:32 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:32 pm Mary_a_Myers: and it’s so good! RT @jaycross: #lrnchat has evolved into the meeting place of the learning professionals Community of Practice. #lrnchat
8:32 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
8:32 pm moehlert: RT @lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How have you been? Q0 warm up after the rules. Been great. How about you?
8:33 pm kelly_smith01: must replaace bottled H2O for beer tonight 4 drinking game #lrnchat
8:33 pm Quinnovator: RT @jaycross: #lrnchat has evolved into the meeting place of the learning professional’s Community of Practice. #lrnchat
8:33 pm klowey22: hello #lrnchat! #lrnchat
8:33 pm Dave_Ferguson: Thurs. eve., time for #lrnchat, 90 minutes of higher-than-average volume re learning. Filter out or come on in. #lrnchat
8:33 pm ethanwaldman: whoops, didn’t realize that tweetchat automatically appends the hashtag #lrnchat
8:33 pm dpontefract: Anything better than #twitterberry on a #blackberry to follow and participate in #lrnchat ???
8:33 pm JaneBozarth: Did I hear it was @gminks ‘s birthday? #lrnchat
8:33 pm moehlert: RT @jaycross: #lrnchat has evolved into the meeting place of the learning professional’s Community of Practice. #lrnchat #yam
8:33 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
8:33 pm ethanwaldman: @dpontefract http://tweetchat.com #lrnchat
8:34 pm KoreenOlbrish: Hello my learning friends! Good thing we’re virtual so you can’t catch my cold…🙂 #lrnchat
8:34 pm odguru: RT @jaycross: #lrnchat has evolved into the meeting place of the learning professional’s Community of Practice.<< If we do say so ourselves.
8:34 pm busynessgirl: Math prof, studies higher ed, ed tech, shares eLearning expertise esp w/regards to math, located in Michigan, teaches at CC. #lrnchat
8:34 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Mark Oehlert-outside Washington DC (frederick MD) social media, virtual worlds, emerging tech and innovation evangelist at DOD
8:34 pm dpeter: #lrnchat Location: Terre Haute, Indiana; Focus: Faculty Developer for Community College
8:34 pm everyselearning: myra interactive training at http://bit.ly/21vad7 Loving my new business. Meeting people from around the world #lrnchat
8:34 pm hamtra: Happy Birthday to You, Happy Birthday to you, (everybody sing), Happy Birthday Dear @gminks, Happy Birthday to You!!!!!!! #lrnchat
8:34 pm Dave_Ferguson: @dpontefract Better than BlackBerry for #lrnchat: malbec, Dogfish Head Ale, or Glenlivet.
8:35 pm jaycross: Jay Cross, Berkeley, California. Enjoying life once more. Learning gadfly. Member of togetherLearn brain trust. Ever curious. #lrnchat
8:35 pm busynessgirl: @moehlert When is #iel2010? Any idea? Needs to go on my calendar. #lrnchat
8:35 pm odguru: Christy Guelph Canada – Obsessing on how to create apt business models for this business of learning. #lrnchat
kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith outside Dallas, Texas – between engagements – instructional design/performance improvement #lrnchat
jkunrein: Q0) judy unrein, instructional designer, MEd candidate, kansas city #lrnchat Priaak: Hi everyone, Sivapriya from San Mateo, CA. #lrnchat
marciamarcia: I describe #lrnchat as having a rollercoaster-NASCAR-firehose feel. As we’re talking learning socially 2nite, yehaw. #lrnchat
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Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, Walnut Creek CA, learning design agent provocateur, games, mobile, social, tech strategy #lrnchat
kasey428: Kay Wood, DC area, learning (c, d, e, ILT), performance consultant and mother to the best 2 kids in the world! #lrnchat
klowey22: John Hovell, near Washington DC, knowledge management, strategy, enterprise 2.0, etc #lrnchat
mathfaery: Another math prof at a CC, sharing tech with colleagues and learning all I can about using tech to enhance learning. In So. Calif. #lrnchat
Dave_Ferguson: Instructional design, corp/org learning, overlong blog posts at daveswhiteboard.com, could not care less about Google Wave. #lrnchat
mpetersell: Mike Petersell – CT – interests instructional design, management development, trying to figure out how social media fits what I do #lrnchat
lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in.
jsuzcampos: Jeannette Campos, Southern New Hampshire, ISD, grad prof, learner, small business owner #lrnchat
roninchef: Ahoy, ahoy. Mason Masteka Elearning Curriculum Developer in Portland, ME. Open Source fanboy, Linux freak and retired chef. #lrnchat
eduinnovation: Trying to learn Google Wave..got my invite today..#lrnchat
wlonline: #lrnchat WL Wong, Australia, interested in learning (knowing and being…)
Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson you taking names again, or just going to go with the flow? #lrnchat
oxala75: craig wiggins. e-learning jockey for the gubmint. working right outside of DC. #lrnchat
chrisstjohn: Evening learners of the world! Chris St.John – Exec Dir US IG Training Institute. Lifelong learner. Big believer #lrnchat
lrnchat: 6) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com, http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well.
Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers, Kingston, ON. learning consultant…elearn, mlearn, we all learn #lrnchat
bschlenker: Brent Schlenker – Phx, AZ – @devlearn – Love Learning and tech, and everything inbetween #lrnchat
mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat Aaron Silvers, eastbound on 65 in IN. Social Learning, Knowledge Exchange and org disruption are my things.
KoreenOlbrish: Koreen Olbrish, corporate learning zombie fighter, technology is my greatest weapon. Outside Philadelphia #lrnchat
lrnchat: 7) 5 min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson I’m good with Lagunitas IPA, margaritas, or rum #lrnchat
ThomasStone: Tom Stone, from Element K, in Rochester, New York… back for another #lrnchat
carmean: Hey. Colleen Carmean, still in office out West. Might use every word on drinking game list to get you all tipsy while I sip tea. #lrnchat
tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, Ames, IA production designer for Phasient Learning Technolgoies #lrnchat
marciamarcia: If you didn’t see it, I reviewed some thoughts on what is social learning about an hour ago http://twitter.com/marciamarcia #lrnchat
ranig2u: hi all – rani gill from palo alto – ex-corporate learning consult – #lrnchat
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britz: Mark Britz in wet, cold Syracuse NY. SL enthusiast, advocate, ID, PM, elearning developer and learning department agitator #lrnchat
eduinnovation: Going with a bottle of Alaskan Smoked Porter…smell like smoke in a bottle and with smoky flavor…awesome….#lrnchat
allisunelearns: Gettin’ my social learning on for the next 90 minutes at #lrnchat – the subject? Social learning😀
media1der: Greetings, all! Chris Willis, CEO Media 1, Appreciative Inquiry Advocate, social media addict, crazy weenie dog lady #lrnchat
moehlert: @busynessgirl I bet @chrisstjohn knows! #iel2010 #lrnchat
Digin4ed: Rochester NY, higher ed, web enhanced learning, hybrid, metacognition, economics, personal finance, social media #lrnchat
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jsuzcampos: i love #lrnchat
teachernz: Can i listen/join in?#lrnchat
roninchef: This week I learned I didn’t get a Wave invite, my netbook is on it’s way home and that I created a #lrnchat book club by accident. #lrnchat
Dave_Ferguson: @ranig2u Is “ex corporate learning” like training for layoffs?😉 #lrnchat
sleveo: Q0: Steve LeBlanc here in AR, lifelong learner, interest in social media and learning theory. #lrnchat
hamtra: Tracy Hamilton, 1/2 hour drive north of Toronto. Working in a hospital environment. Trying to bring elearning to the masses. #lrnchat
media1der: @mrch0mp3rs Yikes! Hope someone else is driving!!!😛 #lrnchat
jkunrein: Welcome @teachernz! #lrnchat
carmean: @mrch0mp3rs Are you tweeting and driving? #lrnchat
JaneBozarth: Me too. RT @jsuzcampos: i love #lrnchat
Mary_a_Myers: will be intermittent…1 child watching hockey; the other is still in the bathtub. great topic tonight of social learning! #lrnchat
Dave_Ferguson: @teachernz All you need is the hashtag. After, there’s lrnchat.wordpress.com for transcript & other goodies. #lrnchat
moehlert: RT @teachernz: Can i listen/join in?#lrnchat Well of course you can!! You already are.🙂
kasey428: This week I learned that you can teach ‘ole dogs’ new tricks. It is all in how you do it. #lrnchat
kelly_smith01: This week I revisited Edgar Schein (the writing of not the person) – Process Consultation #lrnchat
odguru: @ThomasStone Hey going to see you at VOS at the end of the month. #lrnchat
teachernz: @jkunrein Hi there from a primary school teacher in Hamilton, New Zealand #lrnchat
allisunelearns: Hello all, Allisun in the redwoods of Humboldt, Moodler, grad student and everything eLearning enthusiast. #lrnchat
tonya_simmons: this week I learned that a toddler can get hand-foot-and-mouth disease more than once #lrnchat
britz: @roninchef here in E.Syracuse created a ASTD SIG and will be doing a “book” club as well…Looking first at Jay Cross’s new book #lrnchat
JaneBozarth: @hamtra I’m in Toronto on the 21st at CSTD #lrnchat
kellygarber: hi – kelly garber, freelance ISD – Florida #lrnchat
marciamarcia: Marcia Conner, between the mountains in VA, #lrnchat founder, business unschooler, writing book on learning socially, thrilled to be back.
ranig2u: @Dave_Ferguson – hey! a new career for me – thx #lrnchat
wlonline: This week learning more about research in conceptual change #lrnchat
moehlert: @Digin4ed “metacognition” FTW Cognition about Cognition #lrnchat
oxala75: @britz ah, Syracuse – where whiteouts are office supplies. #lrnchat
stickylearning: Michael Eury. Melbourne Australia. Learning design with focus on visuals. If I don’t make it to end of #lrnchat it means wife is in labor!!
lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome, also check out @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
oxala75: @teachernz as much as you can stand🙂 #lrnchat
mizminh: @kelly_smith01 lets check – are you reading me ?:) #lrnchat
KoreenOlbrish: you know #3dtlc was awesome last week, but i do so miss this when I’m traveling #lrnchat
everyselearning: @kasey428 Which old dogs are those? #lrnchat
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britz: This week I learned good data is HARD to find! #lrnchat
Quinnovator: this week I learned that learning units in orgs are still quite a ways behind! #lrnchat
moehlert: #lrnchat This week I learned that the human soul is deep, powerful and resilient. Oh, & I may be getting a Wave invite – both awesome🙂
teachernz: @moehlert @Quinnovator I usually miss thsi cos in class… timezones etc #lrnchat
JaneBozarth: Working on HS reunion and learned, again, that some my childhood friends are truly wonderful adults. #lrnchat
klowey22: wondering how clo symposium was… #lrnchat
kasey428: @everyselearning A room full of 45 – 70 year olds scared to death of technology. #lrnchat
kelly_smith01: @mizminh Yes – I have a fast conection talk to India as well #lrnchat
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ThomasStone: Me too!!!! RT @JaneBozarth: @hamtra I’m in Toronto on the 21st at CSTD #lrnchat
everyselearning: I once taught the roughest bunch of forestry workers on intro to Computers& they told me it was the toughest thing they’d ever done #lrnchat
jsuzcampos: Tweet Deck and Tweet Grid have substantial lag … other options working better for anyone else? #lrnchat
mathfaery: I’ve (re)learned how fabulous naps can be! #lrnchat
bschlenker: I learned that when you ask IDers what Instructional Design is they are afraid to answer #lrnchat
jaycross: Q0 Don’t drink with Irish people. I have learned this before. It’s fun but hurts the next morning #lrnchat
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busynessgirl: Q0 I learned nitrous oxide is your best friend at the dentist & that we can have even MORE fun in math classes than prev thought. #lrnchat
media1der: RT @britz: This week I learned good data is HARD to find! <— and vice versa!🙂 #lrnchat
moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #3dtlc Was good stuff and the Paninis were hysterical!! #lrnchat
hamtra: I learned today that 2 cans of tomato sauce in my lasagna is too much, no matter what my mother says. #lrnchat
jkunrein: this week i learned that people really are just people. again. #lrnchat
jaycross: CLO Symposium had near-record turnout. #lrnchat
TheTransitioner: curiousity is driving me to interesting places #lrnchat
JaneBozarth: Also taking on managing a new community for a training org, so learning about that, too. #lrnchat
KoreenOlbrish: shocked to be told that i need to be more assertive. also (unrelated) buying furniture for our new office is a learning experience #lrnchat
stickylearning: This week I learnt that there is a limit to how much you can squeeze into a week! (via @stickylearning) now with #lrnchat!
mobilemind: this week I learned that if you are working at 2:40am Central European Time you can join #lrnchat
britz: Syracuse aint nuthin’ I grew up near Buffalo, NY #lrnchat
Mary_a_Myers: i learned that positive feedback can go a long, long way…and that there are some amazing ppl in the field of learning. #lrnchat
marciamarcia: @britz And hard data is good to find. #lrnchat
ethanwaldman: @jsuzcampos i’m doing pretty well with http://tweetchat.com #lrnchat
jsuzcampos: Q0) this week I learned that there once was a leper colony in hawaii. i did not know that. #lrnchat
odguru: Reframed (social) learning to look at where each person’s “windows, doors and walls” are… #lrnchat
tonya_simmons: @jkunrein yeah – and mommy’s already run thru her vacation/sick time this year #lrnchat
carmean: This week I learned the terms data de-duplication and wait for it…social colonization with new media (Cisco says). #lrnchat
teachernz: whoa #lrnchat is flying thru twitterfall….
Quinnovator: @klowey22 blogged the CLO SYmposium: http://bit.ly/qDUbE (expand) #lrnchat
moehlert: @jaycross What do you think drove that? #lrnchat
ethanwaldman: I learned that most people don’t know a blog from a wiki… #lrnchat
jaycross: People who can afford the Broadmoor haven’t had their travel budgets slashed. #CLOSymposium #lrnchat
everyselearning: kasey428 I hope you showed them Solitaire. Still the best for using the mouse and all… #lrnchat
Dave_Ferguson: Bienvenu à Louise Côté, Québécoise de souche. #lrnchat
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media1der: reminded for the 1000th time that good coaches ask questions before jumping in to solve problems #lrnchat
roninchef: @jsuzcampos Tweetchat is humming along tonight. #lrnchat
KoreenOlbrish: Ur not asking the right 1s😉 RT @bschlenker: learned that when you ask IDers what Instructional Design is theyre afraid to answer #lrnchat
oxala75: @lrnchat i learned that my office mates are steadily amassing knowledge that i don’t have. looking forward to picking their brians. #lrnchat
kasey428: I had someone who has worked w/me for 4 years finally ask me what an instructional designer is. LOL #lrnchat
eduinnovation: This week I learned the power of having an ambidextrous mind #lrnchat
ethanwaldman: @Mary_a_Myers Agree. I’d add any CONSTRUCTIVE feedback will go a long way- positive or negative. #lrnchat
britz: @marciamarcia well put! #lrnchat
mpetersell: I learned there is a learning community that meets on thursdays on tweetchat – I feel welcome! #lrnchat
underwhelmed: I learned that no matter what, you can’t make everyone happy #lrnchat
roninchef: @JaneBozarth I am working on it. I think it will be my rainy weekend project. #lrnchat
Mary_a_Myers: @bschlenker that is funny…i noticed that too. I’m guilty. #lrnchat
nnewlin77: #lrnchat This week I learned that there is so much to learn from other folks on the web, but then I don’t get my other work done!
mobilemind: also learned I can’t stay up past that & still be able to work tomorrow/today g’nite #lrnchat see you next week
wlonline: Learnt about #lrnchat book club, any more new news?
KoreenOlbrish: @mpetersell welcome to the next 90 minutes of crazy learning😉 #lrnchat
lrnchat: Q1) If the focus of social learning is not so much on what we are learning, but on how we are learning, how RU learning socially? #lrnchat
ethanwaldman: I learned that camtasia for mac exists, which made me happy #lrnchat
Dave_Ferguson: @underwhelmed I’ve learned (tho’ not this week) that some people don’t WANT to be happy. #lrnchat
kasey428: @mpetersell And you are, welcome, that is. #lrnchat
jaycross: Q0 Learned it’s not easy to change one’s work routine. Giving BrainPark a test as collaborative project coordination tool. #lrnchat
mizminh: mizminh I learned that I can sit still for 90 minutes utterly enthralled Taiwanese dance troupe, Cloudgate, came visiting Brisbane #lrnchat
moehlert: @jaycross Actually Jay, they maybe slashed the training budgets to afford the Broadmoor😉 #CLOSymposium #lrnchat
8:47:14 pm teachernz: I learned that there’s a whole other world out there… in different timezones and in Second Life #lrnchat
8:47:18 pm TheTransitioner: I just learned to use tweetchat and about this sessions every thursday #lrnchat
8:47:26 pm kelly_smith01: #lrnchat book club should be on the drinking list at lest for this week #lrnchat
8:47:27 pm mathfaery: RT @nnewlin77 This week I learned that there is so much to learn from other folks on the web, but then I dont get my other work don #lrnchat
8:47:33 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat I learned that the appropriate orchestration of internal and external pressure can rapidly change the culture of an org.
8:47:34 pm oxala75: @wlonline yeah, how do i get in on that? #lrnchat
8:47:35 pm jkunrein: @ethanwaldman WOO-HOO! #lrnchat
8:47:41 pm tamralanning: Interested in #lrnchat feeling my way in Curriculum/Data spec from Benton,TN
8:47:57 pm roninchef: @wlonline Work in progress. Setting up a home base this weekend. Will poll for book ideas next week. #lrnchat
8:48:08 pm mizminh: Q1) If the focus of social learning is not so much on what we are learning, but on how we are learning, how RU learning socially? #lrnchat
8:48:11 pm TheTransitioner: @jaycross how has brainpark work for you? #lrnchat
8:48:13 pm Quinnovator: @hamtra however, learned I can put more enchilada sauce on than I usually do (doesn’t stick in kids braces as easy then) #lrnchat
8:48:13 pm busynessgirl: RT Q1 If the focus of social learning is not so much on what we are learning, but on how we are learning, how RU learning socially? #lrnchat
8:48:16 pm mrch0mp3rs: @KoreenOlbrish I also was told to be more assertive yesterday. Wth? #lrnchat
8:48:18 pm hjarche: RT @jaycross: Q0 Learned its not easy to change ones work routine. Giving BrainPark a test as collaborative tool | agree! #lrnchat
8:48:21 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Q0.5 The phrase “social learning” seems to allude to some “non-social learning” I reject that premise.
8:48:24 pm reward75: I’m learning how to read faster to keep up with #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:48:35 pm jaycross: Q1 Following recommendations from others rather than mining information for myself. Feels like cheating but yields better insights. #lrnchat
8:48:45 pm kelly_smith01: I am between jobs now. But have learned much about social networks and learrning during my down time #lrnchat
8:48:46 pm Dave_Ferguson: I’ve done social learning this year by reading hard stuff, writing notes in pen, tidying that mess up (somewhat) on my blog. #lrnchat
8:48:52 pm allisunelearns: Q0. I learned a workaround for embedding Articulate presenter prez into webpages. #lrnchat
8:49:04 pm jsuzcampos: my tweetgrid is terrible tonight! moving into twitterfall and toggling to tweetdeck, thank you imac spaces … #lrnchat
8:49:05 pm stickylearning: @wlonline I’m keen on #lrnchat bookckub idea too!
8:49:16 pm KoreenOlbrish: @mrch0mp3rs LOL, oh thank goodness its not just me😉 #lrnchat
8:49:21 pm wlonline: Q1 @oxala75 Not sure as yet waiting to hear from the initiators about book club #lrnchat
8:49:28 pm mpetersell: I learned Henry Mintzberg published a new book: Managing http://bit.ly/1akqrW #lrnchat
8:49:35 pm mrch0mp3rs: @carmean wife drives. I learn😉 #lrnchat
8:49:42 pm busynessgirl: Q1 Learning from my students as I see what they blog about after class (what works, what doesn’t) #lrnchat
8:49:46 pm jaycross: RT @TheTransitioner: @jaycross how has brainpark work for you? | I am still learning. It has potential I’ve yet to exploit. #lrnchat
8:49:48 pm mathfaery: Q1 Lots of blog reading and tweets from my PLN gives me SO much to learn from! #lrnchat
8:49:52 pm marciamarcia: If the focus of social learning is not so much on what we are learning, but on how we are learning, how RU learning socially? Q1 #lrnchat
8:49:54 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) If focus of social learning is not on what we are learning, but on how we are learning, how RU learning socially? #lrnchat
8:49:58 pm carmean: q1: consensus/clarifying and sounding out means I have to determine what I believe to be true in ways never tested alone. #lrnchat
8:50:08 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q1, again: I pay attention to things people I admire do: how do THEY work, learn, connect. #lrnchat
8:50:13 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q1. i learn socially by using all of your brilliant ideas and examples. or is that stealing? let’s call it borrowing… #lrnchat
8:50:16 pm wlonline: @roninchef and @cammybean : What is latest on book club? #lrnchat
8:50:17 pm Mary_a_Myers: Q1 joining entities like #lrnchat…sharing information openly…all helps ppl learn #lrnchat
8:50:22 pm ranig2u: i learned that it is possible to accidentally insult friends on Facebook #lrnchat
8:50:22 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Q1 ALL LEARNING IS SOCIAL
8:50:23 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q1) If the focus of social learning is not on what we are learning, but how we are learning, how RU learning socially? #lrnchat
8:50:30 pm ethanwaldman: I learned that my company had an internal Yelp account. Its a twitter clone. I connected with other learning people in org. yay! #lrnchat
8:50:31 pm odguru: Q1 Enjoy the merry-go-round of getting expert info & then finding other experts who refute.Cycle has gone from 3-4 wks to 3-4 hrs. #lrnchat
8:50:45 pm JaneBozarth: RT Q1 If the focus of social learning is not so much on what we are learning, but on how we are learning, how RU learning socially? #lrnchat
8:50:46 pm everyselearning: I kind of thought that social learning implied social media ..but not so.. #lrnchat
8:50:53 pm media1der: @moehlert what about self-paced learning? Nothing really “social” there … tho I hate to think “antisocial” learning! #lrnchat
8:50:56 pm Digin4ed: I am socially learning by watching my PLN, on twitter, their blogs, the resources they point out, and how they behave. #lrnchat
8:51:01 pm mathfaery: RT Q1 If the focus of social learning is not so much on what we are learning, but on how we are learning, how RU learning socially? #lrnchat
8:51:12 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q1. maybe the question is (c’mon @moehlert, take the bait) how are we NOT learning socially? #lrnchat
8:51:13 pm eduinnovation: Q1) If the focus of social learning is not so much on what we are learning, but on how we are learning, how RU learning socially? #lrnchat
8:51:18 pm jkunrein: @KoreenOlbrish good artists borrow; great artists steal #picasso #lrnchat
8:51:18 pm Merkader: I’m learning by checking the random shortened links that people saw are awesome on twitter. #lrnchat
8:51:22 pm kasey428: Q1 Networking w/others via Twitter, blogs provided a lot of tips on how to ‘instruct’ a room of digital immigrants. Learned a lot. #lrnchat
8:51:24 pm marciamarcia: @moehlert If we define learning as that which changes us, then I’ve learned plenty in solitude. Not as much as socially, but… #lrnchat
8:51:24 pm odguru: @moehlert reading a book? Doing a self paced module? #lrnchat
8:51:34 pm TheTransitioner: I have been witnessing amazing learning with our close group of people committed and passionate about a purpose. #lrnchat
8:51:38 pm mizminh: What does non-social learning look like? #lrnchat
8:51:41 pm jaycross: Q1 Reconceptualizing learning as finding connections that work. #lrnchat
8:51:45 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert dammit you got to it first. ALL LEARNING IS NOT SOCIAL #lrnchat
8:51:46 pm dpeter: Social learning? in terms of Bandura? #lrnchat
8:51:47 pm roninchef: Q1 RSS aggregation, Twitter (98% of the people I follow I met here:)) and my ASTD Elearning Playgroup for starters. #lrnchat
8:51:52 pm Priaak: RT @Dave_Ferguson Q1, again: I pay attention to things people I admire do: how do THEY work, learn, connect. #lrnchat
8:51:56 pm allisunelearns: Q1. I learn socially on Twitter, here w. lrnchat, in course forums, in commentary on blogs, and emulating practices of those admire #lrnchat
8:51:57 pm odguru: Social learning has a lot to do with convergence on ideas #lrnchat
8:52:01 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Q1 ALL LEARNING IS NOT SOCIAL.
8:52:05 pm Dave_Ferguson: @KoreenOlbrish Re stealing: Tom Lehrer had advice: http://bit.ly/h85s3 (Lobachevski!) #lrnchat
8:52:12 pm carmean: mmmmm…depends on defintion. for me, 1-way (book, lecture) isn’t social. RT @moehlert: #lrnchat Q1 ALL LEARNING IS SOCIAL #lrnchat
8:52:25 pm Quinnovator: Q1: virtual mentorship: following people like @marciamarcia; #lrnchat ing, aattending confs, following conf tweets, reading blogs #lrnchat
8:52:25 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) i have learned so much through twitter #lrnchat and #edchat #lrnchat
8:52:26 pm teachernz: Q1) I’m learning socially with and via other connected educators… globally #lrnchat
8:52:27 pm nnewlin77: #lrnchat Isn’t social learning that we are all learning together?
8:52:31 pm hjarche: there’s a growing demand for ability to connect to others – we need to make sense WITH each other – @gsiemens in interview today #lrnchat
8:52:32 pm moehlert: RT @jaycross: Q1 Reconceptualizing learning as finding connections that work. #lrnchat OK..but is any action required or just connecting?
8:52:36 pm ethanwaldman: @mizminh non-social learning would be static, uneditable, uncommentable, unchanging, one way communication #lrnchat
8:52:43 pm eduinnovation: Have you considered that Twitter Trending Topics could be social constructed community digital primary source for your learning? #lrnchat
8:52:48 pm kelly_smith01: Saw a demo of an internal social media tool (like Twitter) – gr8 example of a method social leraning #lrnchat
8:52:49 pm mrch0mp3rs: #lrnchat Q1 you all have broadened my horizons and enabled a shift to becoming more attuned to broader learning issues than tech alone.
8:52:50 pm TheTransitioner: We are learning social via working in online events and w/tools such as etherpad, livestream…waiting for googlewaves. #lrnchat
8:52:50 pm stickylearning: RT @moehlert #lrnchat The phrase “social learning” seems to allude to some “non-social learning” I reject that premise – throws gauntlet
8:52:57 pm dpeter: Q1 Social learning is a process, a development, a shift, hard to define #lrnchat
8:53:04 pm planetrussell: Mike Russell: Early (mid ’90’s) web apps + social media evangelist for The WELL, trainer, biz dev/alliances guy, blogger/writer #lrnchat
8:53:07 pm carmean: Looks like I’m passively accepting what is told. RT @mizminh: What does non-social learning look like? #lrnchat
8:53:09 pm reward75: Q1) Twitter… lrnchat is one example but I also follow ING direct and Motley’s Fool, I’ve learned a lot about finance from them #lrnchat
8:53:16 pm mizminh: reading a book is a social activity #lrnchat
8:53:24 pm moehlert: @carmean But when you read that book, listen to lecture, u are hearing/seeing thru socially-mediated experiences #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:53:26 pm lrnchat: Yippi, I get to actually moderate… The question on the table is “what are you learning socially?” Q1 #lrnchat
8:53:26 pm roninchef: Q1 By asking how something is done. Breaking it, fixing it and breaking it again. Read, read, read! Do, do, do! #lrnchat
8:53:28 pm klowey22: i’m (socially) learning perspectives and the swing of org pendulums #lrnchat
8:53:29 pm lukegrange: RT @marciamarcia: If you didn’t see it, I reviewed some thoughts on what is social learning http://tinyurl.com/bue7rv #lrnchat
8:53:30 pm jaycross: Q1 @moehlert Are you a socialist? #lrnchat
8:53:31 pm busynessgirl: Agreed, I do a lot of learning by constructing mindmaps, by myself, at my computer. Later I share. @JaneBozarth #lrnchat
8:53:36 pm media1der: Q1 – nothing really social about WBT or watching a recorded webinar, but learning can definitely take place #lrnchat
8:53:36 pm kelly_smith01: RT @JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Q1 ALL LEARNING IS NOT SOCIAL. #lrnchat
8:53:39 pm moehlert: #lrnchat BTW, CAPS are 3-0!!
8:53:56 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth IS SO #lrnchat
8:53:56 pm oxala75: @lrnchat Q1) cauldron-stirring with my team, establishing information stashes in my office. #lrnchat
8:53:57 pm Merkader: considering all the autodidact learning I do by researching online, I can’t say that all learning is social #lrnchat
8:54:06 pm jsuzcampos: IMO social learning is the acknowledgement that students (learners, workers, etc) participate in the process, evolutionary for some #lrnchat
8:54:06 pm kasey428: Professional virtual connections have led to a few F2F connections. Learning from the best. #lrnchat
8:54:07 pm everyselearning: @hjarche there’s a growing demand for ability to connect to others because we spend so much time with/at the computer #lrnchat
8:54:12 pm KoreenOlbrish: there’s a difference betw learning socially (interacting w others) & constructing meaning from history of your social interactions #lrnchat
8:54:12 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jaycross: Q1 @moehlert Are you a socialist? #lrnchat
8:54:12 pm dpeter: Q1 I think that social learning is more connected learning, more collaborative, social learning involves community #lrnchat
8:54:15 pm mizminh: Newton did a lot of solitary cogitating but said that he stood on the shoulders of giants #lrnchat
8:54:16 pm kasey428: RT @kelly_smith01: RT @JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Q1 ALL LEARNING IS NOT SOCIAL. #lrnchat
8:54:18 pm RedScareBot: Bring back HUAC RT @jaycross Q1 @moehlert Are you a socialist? #lrnchat
8:54:19 pm odguru: In social learning context is king. What I am after is how to go deeper by understanding other perspectives. #lrnchat
8:54:20 pm TheTransitioner: @kelly_smith01 what tool is that? #lrnchat
8:54:21 pm Merkader: Unless you count that someone had to write the material you are referencing as a social aspect. #lrnchat
8:54:28 pm jaycross: Q1 “What does non-social learning look like?” Put your hand on the hot stove #lrnchat
8:54:30 pm mpetersell: So how does social learning fit into the corporate learning world with its security restrictions and data privacy concerns? #lrnchat
8:54:30 pm LearnNuggets: Kevin Thorn, Memphis, eLearn dev, graphics dev, & cartooning. Running late. What’s Q1? #lrnchat
8:54:34 pm media1der: RT @kelly_smith01: RT @JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Q1 ALL LEARNING IS NOT SOCIAL. << lrnchat is socially learning. not so obvious > children on the playground working thru the pecking order! #lrnchat
8:56:53 pm oxala75: @reward75 technically, that’s sort of social – the information your intake did not arise form the dust. #lrnchat
8:56:56 pm teachernz: @mpetersell It doesn’t..it’s the very antithesis… uncontrolled by “the man” and self/group constructed #lrnchat
8:57:02 pm planetrussell: Q1 Jonesing to learn more about Transmedia learning + storytelling, per Jenkins’ _Convergence Culture_ + Gomez. #lrnchat
8:57:04 pm wlonline: @stickylearning ok we are waiting to hear from roninchef and @cammybean #lrnchat
8:57:13 pm media1der: @Merkader If I read a book or watch a video on how to bind a quilt then do it, what’s social about that? #lrnchat
8:57:18 pm kasey428: RT @Mary_a_Myers: even if i encounter ideas in solitary; it usually takes some social aspect to help solidify the concept… #lrnchat
8:57:20 pm Digin4ed: @dpeter I agree, social learning is more connected. #lrnchat
8:57:22 pm hamtra: RT @jaycross: Q1 All worthwhile sex education is social. LOLOL #lrnchat
8:57:26 pm marciamarcia: @reward75 I’ve done the encyclopedia library thing. I learned a lot. Required reflection and all but it can work. #lrnchat
8:57:34 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert not necessarily. Building a sandcastle? learning that waves crush them? not social. #lrnchat
8:57:35 pm ThomasStone: No I think he has read too much postmodernist theory RT @jaycross: Q1 @moehlert Are you a socialist? #lrnchat
8:57:36 pm marciamarcia: @jaycross I’ve missed you. #lrnchat
8:57:40 pm wlonline: RT @moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Mediated thru the lens of your socially-mediated experiences. #lrnchat <– agreed!
8:57:43 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jaycross Wasn’t that sex TRAINING that’s social? #lrnchat
8:57:49 pm mizminh: our bodies learn to walk #lrnchat
8:57:50 pm moehlert: @oxala75 Look, if I give u the stimulus/response stuff, can we get past and go deeper?🙂 All said w/ love #lrnchat
8:57:55 pm everyselearning: Any instructor who says they don’t learn more from their students than their students learn from them is a liar. #lrnchat
8:57:56 pm kellygarber: @ranig2u yea, tweetdeck cannot keep up …try http://tweetchat.com/room/lrnchat #lrnchat
8:58:21 pm marciamarcia: @LearnNuggets We’ve raised chickens & guinea hens. They learn that way too. #lrnchat
8:58:21 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Why were you building the castle?😉 #lrnchat
8:58:25 pm dwilkinsnh: What am I learning socially? A whole lot about how to navigate a new company and a new culture. #lrnchat
8:58:31 pm Quinnovator: @oxala75 but I still hit my hand with the hammer (though not on purpose😉 #lrnchat
8:58:32 pm roninchef: RT @roninchef: @wlonline Work in progress. Setting up a home base this weekend. Will poll for book ideas next week. #lrnchat
8:58:34 pm JaneBozarth: I agree with you. RT @KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert for the record, i think everyone agrees with me. Where’s your quotes?😉 #lrnchat
8:58:36 pm oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish good example. #lrnchat
8:58:54 pm jaycross: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @jaycross Wasnt that sex TRAINING thats social? Yeah, you are right, Dave. #lrnchat
8:59:12 pm media1der: RT @kellygarber: @ranig2u yea, tweetdeck cannot keep up …try http://tweetchat.com/room/lrnchat <<– I like tweetchat.com #lrnchat
8:59:14 pm mizminh: @stickylearning the writer has written & sent it forth into society for our consideration #lrnchat
8:59:15 pm planetrussell: Lordy. I’m gettin’ all WIRED-y here with the Transmedia stuff, and everyone else is talking about hitting themselves with hammers. #lrnchat
8:59:18 pm teachernz: abandoned tweedeck and twitterfall in favour of tweetchat… still overwhelming #lrnchat
8:59:23 pm dwilkinsnh: @hamtra And the more “social,” the better! ; ) #lrnchat
8:59:23 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jaycross: Q1 All worthwhile sex education is social. #lrnchat
8:59:27 pm ThomasStone: RT @jaycross: Q1 “What does non-social learning look like?” Put your hand on the hot stove #lrnchat
8:59:27 pm hjarche: social learning is adaptive & develops emergent practices needed 4 complex environments; not necessary 4 merely complicated work #lrnchat
8:59:34 pm Quinnovator: Diff between sex ed and sex training, which for your daughter? (old joke) RT @jaycross: Q1 All worthwhile sex education is social. #lrnchat
8:59:37 pm reward75: Never said encyclopedias don’t teach, @ oxala but without interaction it not very social. Some would even say anti-social #lrnchat
8:59:38 pm britz: @stickylearning what if you blog post is never read …still social learning? #lrnchat
8:59:46 pm moehlert: #lrnchat “When you think, you must think about something in some way” James Paul Gee
8:59:47 pm stickylearning: I think the times I’m walking alone for a day in the bush, thinking about ideas are close to ‘non social’ learning #lrnchat
8:59:54 pm kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Yippi, I get to actually moderate… The question on the table is “what are you learning socially?” Q1 #lrnchat
9:00:02 pm littleasklab: If Socrates coulda’ tweeted … would that be social learning? #lrnchat
9:00:07 pm kelly_smith01: Can social learning be synchronous and non-synchronous? #lrnchat
9:00:10 pm odguru: Knwldge is interpreted by motives, prefs, frame of ref & cognitive sorting. Social lrng short cuts-lets me c how others assimilate. #lrnchat
9:00:14 pm jaycross: Tweetchat is running ahead of Seesmic Desktop. #lrnchat
9:00:27 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert Bcuz like to create new things. like companies. & learning design in virtual worlds. & because NEW things sometimes occur #lrnchat
9:00:32 pm jsuzcampos: @planetrussell yeah, hitting themselves with hammers and sex ed, we’re a very high-brow group! #lrnchat
9:00:33 pm Dave_Ferguson: Sex Learning: A = Hot. D = I’ll go over. D = (Saunter) I = Your sign? E = Ouch! (And it’s social!) #lrnchat
9:00:33 pm media1der: @planetrussell Must be I’m a nail, if everyone else is a hammer!🙂 #lrnchat
9:00:35 pm ThomasStone: Yes. If not then a man on desert isle couldn’t learn. RT @moehlert: The question is , is it possible to learn non-socially? #lrnchat
9:00:38 pm marciamarcia: RT @everyselearning Any instructor who says they don’t learn more from students than students learn from them is a liar <& time 2go #lrnchat
9:00:50 pm jaycross: If it doesn’t change behavior or potential, it isn’t learning. #lrnchat
9:00:59 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Let me clarify, when I see “social” – I think “cultural” and none of us can hide from our experiences-hence all lrng is social
9:01:05 pm media1der: RT @kelly_smith01: Can social learning be synchronous and non-synchronous? <<— sure, message boards are both #lrnchat
9:01:09 pm ethanwaldman: Maybe it’s a failled attempt at social lrngRT @britz: @stickylearning what if you blog post is never read …still social learning? #lrnchat
9:01:17 pm ranig2u: RT @littleasklab: If Socrates coulda tweeted … would that be social learning? socratweets! #lrnchat
9:01:28 pm sleveo: @everyselearning Any instructor who says they don’t learn more from their students … may be a poor teacher #lrnchat
9:01:28 pm LearnNuggets: Yes. You’re learning by writing thoughts RT@britz @stickylearning what if you blog post is never read …still social learning? #lrnchat
9:01:30 pm carmean: Important to note that I learn much from 1-way media (book, film, lecture). Just not being/doing learning. That comes later. #lrnchat
9:01:40 pm oxala75: @moehlert i’ll giv eyou that social learning is better, faster, deeper, streamlined learning – the way it should be #lrnchat
9:01:44 pm KoreenOlbrish: wow, so focused on trying to argue with @moehlert I’m missing all the sex ed stuff. #priorities #sigh #lrnchat
9:01:51 pm dpeter: Q1 Social learning = connected learning #lrnchat http://is.gd/3RbC2
9:01:55 pm marciamarcia: @littleasklab The back & forth w/ Socrates, definitely social. Him asking provocative questions? Not that alone. #lrnchat
9:01:57 pm Quinnovator: Q1: thing I’m learning socially is where I’ve gotten it wrong! #lrnchat
9:02:00 pm lrnchat: Just joining us and not sure what’s the question? You can always check @lrnchat #lrnchat
9:02:03 pm stickylearning: @britz yep even if blog post is never read🙂 I’m putting my ideas out there in a social context. #lrnchat I suppose social = sharing
9:02:11 pm wlonline: RT @odguru: Knwldge intrprtd by motives, prefs, frame of ref & cogntv sorting. Social lrng shrtcuts-lets me c how othrs assimilate. #lrnchat
9:02:11 pm mpetersell: @ThomasStone it is possible it just takes longer. You do it wrong more times on your own before you try something else #lrnchat
9:02:19 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert then say cultural learning, not social learning. #lrnchat
9:02:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: @ranig2u Yeah, but @socrates would be a sock puppet for @plato. #lrnchat
9:02:22 pm jaycross: @moehlert: The question is , is it possible to learn non-socially? Mark, you missed my comment about putting hand on stove? #lrnchat
9:02:23 pm LearnNuggets: Unless you do not speak out loud, do not interact w/ your eyes, you’re not social learning. ALL learning is social in some degree #lrnchat
9:02:26 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish What NEW thing was ever WHOLLY new? #lrnchat
9:02:27 pm hjarche: @everyselearning or perhaps networked computers have finally given us ability to connect with each other? #lrnchat
9:02:35 pm jsuzcampos: When I hear “social” I think “mediated between more than one person” #lrnchat
9:02:37 pm kelly_smith01: A virtual classroom session is social depending on the interactivity between learners & between learners & instructor #lrnchat
9:02:44 pm teachernz: Blogpost with comments = asynchronous social learning, without comments… ? #lrnchat
9:02:45 pm jaycross: RT @dpeter: Q1 Social learning = connected learning #lrnchat http://is.gd/3RbC2 #lrnchat
9:02:45 pm kasey428: Would Freud have tweeted? Jung would have had a blog? #lrnchat
9:02:50 pm dwilkinsnh: I agree w/ @ThomasStone. If we accept that learning can only happen socially, we abandon the concept of individual accomplishment. #lrnchat
9:02:51 pm bacigalupe: RT @marciamarcia @everyselearning instructors saying they don’t learn more from students than students learn from them are lying #lrnchat
9:02:51 pm moehlert: @jaycross Agree. What is that though? Absorption? #lrnchat
9:02:55 pm media1der: RT @stickylearning what if you blog post is never read …still social learning? <– if you post your blog in a forest #lrnchat
9:03:07 pm ranig2u: @Dave_Ferguson LOL – RU a canuck? #lrnchat
9:03:08 pm moehlert: @kasey428 Sometimes a tweet is just a tweet.😉 #lrnchat
9:03:10 pm Priaak: Q1 The social part of learning is contributing, sharing and in case of twitter – conversations and forums such as lrnchat and RTs #lrnchat
9:03:12 pm oxala75: i posit that if ur learning requires the output from some other person, no matter how removed, then ur lrning is social. #lrnchat
9:03:18 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert ok, yes, the trivial answer😉 #lrnchat
9:03:31 pm dpeter: Q1 RT @teachernz Blogpost with comments = asynchronous social learning, without comments… ? #lrnchat
9:03:32 pm JaneBozarth: So now has the argument changed to ‘all learning is social except for , well, the stimulus-response stuff, and… #lrnchat
9:03:33 pm moehlert: @jaycross No, I saw, I will grant you that “Skinnerian” ground. #lrnchat
9:03:57 pm JaneBozarth: I learned to change the copier in the toner without anyone else around. #lrnchat
9:04:16 pm oxala75: @jsuzcampos in this day and age, i think that’s what we should think. #lrnchat
9:04:16 pm mizminh: What are the virtues/ advantages of social learning? #lrnchat
9:04:20 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert seriously, I think the point is when it moves from behavioral to cognitive; capitalizing on phenotypic plasticity #lrnchat
9:04:20 pm teachernz: Non- social learning -personal experience… social learning can build on the experiences and contributions of others… #lrnchat
9:04:23 pm LearnNuggets: @carmean even if started at 1-way learning, the result ends up socially when you practice your new knowledge? #lrnchat
9:04:25 pm jaycross: Sometimes a Tweet is just a cigar. Hold it. That’s not true, is it? #lrnchat
9:04:25 pm carmean: @moehlert tomato potato. For meaningful differentiation of learning experience, I don’t think cultural=social in ‘social learning’ #lrnchat
9:04:34 pm Quinnovator: (and, yes, I just said phenotypic plasticity and I’m drinking) #lrnchat
9:04:36 pm kasey428: Lrg. university lecture classes have been made more social with use of Twitter and the tweet stream. More interaction possible. #lrnchat
9:04:43 pm planetrussell: @jsuzcampos Yes, #lrnchat convo tonight about 1.) sex 2.) hitting selves w/hammers and 3.) burning hands on stoves. Positively Pythonic!
9:04:43 pm britz: @stickylearning I need to think about this more “I suppose social = sharing” Tweetchat moving at lightspeed though #lrnchat
9:04:46 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth Learning not to get stuck changing the toner is anti-social learning. #lrnchat
9:04:49 pm jsuzcampos: RT @oxala75: i posit that if ur learning requires the output from some other person, then ur lrning is social. #lrnchat
9:04:59 pm oxala75: @moehlert @jaycross is ‘black box’ a #lrnchat drinking game phrase yet?
9:04:59 pm hamtra: @JaneBozarth But someone wrote the instructions down for you to follow right? #lrnchat
9:05:02 pm underwhelmed: http://twitpic.com/jwh6r – #lrnchat
9:05:04 pm JaneBozarth: Give me the baby, @skinner #lrnchat
9:05:05 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator “phenotypic plasticity” FTW!!! #lrnchat
9:05:06 pm jaycross: We’ve beat this question to death. Got another? #lrnchat
9:05:08 pm mizminh: @oxala75 posit accepted #lrnchat
9:05:11 pm roninchef: @britz The unread blog post has the potential to be found and read and if that future person is affected then a connection is made. #lrnchat
9:05:12 pm hjarche: @JaneBozarth who put the copier there & what work norms require that you do it? #lrnchat
9:05:12 pm everyselearning: JaneBozarth Do you know that you are the life of the party? (Nothing to do with union dues) #lrnchat
9:05:39 pm JaneBozarth: @Dave_Ferguson If you say naugty words while changing the toner, but no one hears you, is it social? #lrnchat
9:05:39 pm Dave_Ferguson: Why the effort to stretch “social” to all sentience? Is social learning 2.0 next? #lrnchat
9:05:48 pm dpeter: Q1 #lrnchat I learn best with others, I learn deeper through others, I learn differently in the company of others = social learning #lrnchat
9:05:50 pm jsuzcampos: @planetrussell as long as we aren’t doing it all at once! #lrnchat
9:05:51 pm teachernz: @JaneBozarth did you learn that through trial and experiment… or did you follow written instructions #lrnchat
9:05:53 pm ethanwaldman: RT @jaycross: Weve beat this question to death. Got another? #lrnchat
9:06:05 pm Quinnovator: @jaycross I’m not ABOUT to hold that! #lrnchat
9:06:08 pm michellek107: @jsuzcampos I wish more school districts and administrators defined “social” as you do… to them, “social” means not worthwhile. #lrnchat
9:06:10 pm oxala75: @jsuzcampos then definitely so. #lrnchat
9:06:18 pm carmean: @janebozarth No, I think we’re still honing definition of social learning. Maybe next question will lead us to consensus. #lrnchat
9:06:20 pm jaycross: RT @planetrussell: @jsuzcampos Yes, #lrnchat convo tonight about 1 sex 2 hitting selves w/hammers and 3. burning hands on stoves! #lrnchat
9:06:22 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Please dear lord, can we just talk about learning? And the underlying dynamics. Why must we rush to apply names? #lrnchat
9:06:30 pm everyselearning: Lrg.university classes have been made more social with use of Twitter and the tweet stream Aha!so we are talking bout Social Media! #lrnchat
9:06:32 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth That’s usually how we all learn that skill. #lrnchat
9:06:37 pm mpetersell: @hjarche changing the toner is like making the new pot of coffee #lrnchat
9:06:44 pm ThomasStone: Yes, because of his style conversational dialectic RT @littleasklab: If Socrates coulda’ tweeted … would that be social learning? #lrnchat
9:06:45 pm busynessgirl: RT @ethanwaldman: RT @jaycross: Weve beat this question to death. Got another? #lrnchat
9:06:48 pm wlonline: Q1 my learning is in negotiation with others, too… #lrnchat
9:07:08 pm kelly_smith01: RT @JaneBozarth: I learned to change the copier in the toner.-> Did U learn from the machine’s message prompt or trial & error? #lrnchat
9:07:19 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth Santa Claus knows. #lrnchat
9:07:23 pm kasey428: RT @mpetersell: @hjarche changing the toner is like making the new pot of coffee #lrnchat
9:07:26 pm dwilkinsnh: I learned how to use WebEx thumbs up and yes / no functions socially today. Also learned that I should put my kids to bed sooner. #lrnchat
9:07:34 pm media1der: don’t think it does any good to try to apply “social” too broadly to all learning. Hard enough to explain to clients already! #lrnchat
9:07:39 pm allisunelearns: Me too! RT @dpeter: I learn best with others, I learn deeper through others, I learn differently in the company of others #lrnchat
9:07:40 pm reward75: Sorry to have to leave so soon. I’ll catch up on the transcript. Bye and Enjoy #lrnchat
9:07:42 pm jkunrein: RT @busynessgirl: RT @ethanwaldman: RT @jaycross: Weve beat this question to death. Got another? #lrnchat
9:07:50 pm teachernz: It’s not social learning if it’s one sided… there has to be a contributing/responsive element from all parties #lrnchat
9:07:51 pm everyselearning: oops forgot kasey428 re Aha! #lrnchat
9:07:53 pm moehlert: RT @wlonline: Q1 my learning is in negotiation with others, too… #lrnchat
9:07:58 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert ok, let’s talk dynamics…learning with others enhances our learning because it utilizes different areas of our brains #lrnchat
9:07:58 pm LearnNuggets: RT @busynessgirl: RT @ethanwaldman: RT @jaycross: Weve beat this question to death. Got another? #lrnchat
9:08:02 pm Quinnovator: @everyselearning oh, she very much knows, it’s a point of pride with her #lrnchat
9:08:18 pm tonya_simmons: listening to husband read to boy, it strikes me that we all start out as social learners – but is it nec. to remain that way? #lrnchat
9:08:27 pm jaycross: Q1 “Why must we rush to apply names?” Because we don’t want to confuse old understandings with new. A new name rattles one’s cage #lrnchat
9:08:31 pm Digin4ed: I learn by watching what people do, synchronous over time and also what they are doing with online tech (themselves) #lrnchat
9:08:43 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Granted. #lrnchat
9:08:48 pm LearnNuggets: When I’m awake, I learn. I’ll argue every other human does to. #lrnchat
9:09:01 pm JaneBozarth: @kelly_smith01 What message prompts? #lrnchat
9:09:12 pm marciamarcia: Thru intrapersonal intelligence u learn introspectively. Thru interpersonal intelligence u learn socially. Both & (RT @ellenfweber) #lrnchat
9:09:30 pm oxala75: @tonya_simmons for the most part. what we must grasp in time is how to take control of our own learning. #lrnchat
9:09:34 pm roninchef: Q1 The way I learn is internalized. I make this big ball of stuff with tape and string in my head. Sharing helps unravel that ball. #lrnchat
9:09:36 pm media1der: I don’t always WANT to learn skills with others. I like to watch/read then go try on my own. Repeat as necessary. #lrnchat
9:09:42 pm JaneBozarth: RT @LearnNuggets: When I’m awake, I learn. I’ll argue every other human does to. #lrnchat
9:09:45 pm jaycross: I once framed learning as “adaptation.” John Seely Brown told me I was wrong. #lrnchat
9:09:46 pm KoreenOlbrish: so, if we’re going to design most effectively, we should be designing FOR social interaction #lrnchat
9:09:54 pm nnewlin77: Yes, how can you be awake and not be learning? #lrnchat
9:09:55 pm planetrussell: @media1der Was going to respond w/ a tweet about complementarity or something, but then @Quinnovator would get all on us. #lrnchat
9:10:04 pm jsuzcampos: (dictionary) social: “characterized by friendly companionships & gregariousness” yet i’ve learned from people i don’t like much #lrnchat
9:10:08 pm lrnchat: Q2) What can we do to steer conversation from “social learning” as an activity to a reminder it’s an integral part of how we learn? #lrnchat
9:10:16 pm ranig2u: social learning has a long tail – when does it ever stop being social? #lrnchat
9:10:18 pm tonya_simmons: @oxala75 very good point #lrnchat
9:10:18 pm kasey428: Children learn through social interaction & mimicking. #lrnchat
9:10:20 pm teachernz: RT @media1der: I dont always WANT to learn skills with others. I like to watch/read then go try on my own. Repeat as necessary. #lrnchat
9:10:36 pm media1der: RT @LearnNuggets: When Im awake, I learn. Ill argue every other human does to. <– sure and not every waking moment is “social” #lrnchat
9:10:38 pm JaneBozarth: Am I allowed to talk about situated learning yet? #lrnchat
9:10:38 pm mathfaery: @media1der I also like to learn on my own sometimes. #lrnchat
9:10:42 pm hjarche: @jaycross perhaps JSB was wrong #lrnchat
9:10:44 pm jaycross: The discovery of mirror neurons make me wonder how much I’m in control. #lrnchat
9:10:47 pm Quinnovator: @LearnNuggets tho’ sometimes I may forget what I’ve learned (e.g. after the drinking game) #lrnchat
9:10:50 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish WINNER WINNER CHICKEN DINNER #lrnchat
9:11:02 pm tonya_simmons: also was reminded how much of a social learner the boy is when he repeated the “s” he overheard in the kitchen yesterday #lrnchat
9:11:02 pm jaycross: RT @KoreenOlbrish: so, if were going to design most effectively, we should be designing FOR social interaction #lrnchat
9:11:09 pm carmean: @jaycross, well if someone is going to tell you that you’re wrong, nice that it’s JSB. There’s social learning. #lrnchat
9:11:11 pm dwilkinsnh: My psych teacher tested us individually then as groups to show that grps perfrm better. I scored higher. Social != always better? #lrnchat
9:11:22 pm Quinnovator: RT @oxala75: @what we must grasp in time is how to take control of our own learning. #lrnchat
9:11:22 pm busynessgirl: RT Q2 What can we do to steer conversation from “social learning” as an activity to reminder it’s an integral part of how we learn? #lrnchat
9:11:27 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Does that fly in the face of traditional ISD? NO cheating! Don’t look on anyone else’s papers! #lrnchat
9:11:35 pm ThomasStone: YES, thank you Koreen. They aren’t the same. RT @KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert then say cultural learning, not social learning. #lrnchat
9:11:38 pm tonya_simmons: RT @JaneBozarth Am I allowed to talk about situated learning yet? – depends on how much you want to drink tonight #lrnchat
9:11:39 pm roninchef: Watched my 2 yr old catch a knowledge virus from another kid. Kid was using a stick to band a metal drum. Kidlet saw and copied. #lrnchat
9:11:42 pm Quinnovator: @jaycross what did JSB offer instead? #lrnchat
9:11:50 pm LearnNuggets: @Quinnovator I’ll argue further. After the drinking game you learned, “I shouldn’t go that anymore.”🙂 #lrnchat
9:11:51 pm nnewlin77: So non-social learning is learning from the self? #lrnchat
9:11:52 pm media1der: I think one of the greatest advantages of self-paced learning is the “self-paced” part! #lrnchat
9:11:54 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: Am I allowed to talk about situated learning yet? #lrnchat Bring it!🙂
9:11:54 pm kasey428: RT @jaycross: RT @KoreenOlbrish: so, if were going to design most effectively, we should be designing FOR social interaction #lrnchat
9:12:01 pm kellygarber: @KoreenOlbrish …I wouldn’t want to design a program for antisocial interaction …oxymoron? #lrnchat
9:12:03 pm oxala75: @lrnchat make people realize, as @tonya_simmons did, that we begin learning by learning socially. #lrnchat
9:12:19 pm richardsheehy: RT @jaycross: The discovery of mirror neurons make me wonder how much I’m in control. #lrnchat
9:12:27 pm busynessgirl: @dwilkinsnh Not sure group tests are always better. I’ve seen some interesting performances from math students (groupthink) #lrnchat
9:12:30 pm LearnNuggets: @media1der Agreed. But at some point you share what you learned solo which then becomes socially. #lrnchat
9:12:33 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q2. design should be leveraging our social nature by looking at how social dynamics affect learning #lrnchat
9:12:49 pm oxala75: @lrnchat also, by making ppl realize that social learning is usually a supercharger to whatever learning vehicle you may be using. #lrnchat
9:12:54 pm wlonline: RT @JaneBozarth: Am I allowed to talk about situated learning yet? #lrnchat <– Why not?
9:12:56 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) How steer conversation from ‘social learning’ as activity to reminder it’s integral part of how we learn? #lrnchat
9:13:07 pm kelly_smith01: RT @JaneBozarth:prompts? Those little job aids which display on the copier used wrong words – tell you toner is low – paper is out #lrnchat
9:13:07 pm KoreenOlbrish: @kellygarber isn’t a lot of e-learning antisocial? #lrnchat
9:13:12 pm marciamarcia: Plenty of research shows that together we do learn more, deeper=better. But that’s different than saying that’s only way to learn. #lrnchat
9:13:24 pm stickylearning: Q2. design should be leveraging our social nature by looking at how social dynamics affect learning #lrnchat (via @KoreenOlbrish)
9:13:28 pm TheTransitioner: You might be learning for the self but yet using social created resources. I believe all learning is social #lrnchat
9:13:29 pm Dave_Ferguson: Depends on partner/client; often best: A. avoid any adjective in front of “learning” B. uncover THEIR idea re learning #lrnchat
9:13:32 pm LearnNuggets: Social Learning = Learning w/ others. Self Paced = Learning alone. What is Socially Self Paced? #lrnchat
9:13:46 pm jaycross: Q2 Reddraw the eLearning graphic of one person surrounded by resources as small group surrounded by resources. Conversation = core #lrnchat
9:13:47 pm mpetersell: Mintzberg says you can’t create managers in a classroom – they learn from experience #lrnchat
9:13:54 pm allisunelearns: @oxala75 Where we started in more than one sense. Pre-civilization, social learning was our greatest tool. #lrnchat
9:13:57 pm JaneBozarth: @kelly_smith01 No, didn’t have any of those…#lrnchat
9:13:57 pm nnewlin77: And people increase each other’s learning when learning socially…but certainly it’s not the only way! #lrnchat
9:14:00 pm Quinnovator: Q2: to focus on learning, not ‘formal’ learning, ‘informal’ learning, elearning, training, etc. Just learning. #lrnchat
9:14:07 pm teachernz: So does social learning = collective learning… but we all give/take different things from it? #lrnchat
9:14:08 pm LearnNuggets: The unruly masses would agree! RT @KoreenOlbrish: @kellygarber isnt a lot of e-learning antisocial? #lrnchat
9:14:14 pm ranig2u: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @kellygarber isnt a lot of e-learning antisocial? #lrnchat
9:14:15 pm roninchef: Q2 Ritual and repetition is how. As old as the hills and it still works. #lrnchat
9:14:17 pm jsuzcampos: Q2: learning is highly social … it’s the instruction that needs to shift from non-social to social #lrnchat
9:14:18 pm hjarche: Social learning mindset is needed as complexity increases & we need better & faster feedback loops – hierarchies can’t handle it #lrnchat
9:14:20 pm oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish too true. #lrnchat
9:14:21 pm Dave_Ferguson: @marciamarcia And being in group doesn’t guarantee useful learning; can easily produce groupthink, -act. #lrnchat
9:14:21 pm media1der: RT @marciamarcia: Plenty of research shows that together we do learn more, deeper=better. & is again #lrnchat
9:18:39 pm Dave_Ferguson: Ain’t it odd how, when small-group stuff doesn’t work, it must be the design & not these people not wanting/able to learn in group? #lrnchat
9:18:44 pm Quinnovator: @carmean without feedback, learning can be mightly slow, and wrong, even math #lrnchat
9:18:46 pm jkunrein: Q2) design rewards so that no one succeeds unless everyone does #lrnchat
9:18:57 pm allisunelearns: How is social learning affected by culture? Is it any different in individualistic vs. collectivist cultures? #lrnchat
9:19:01 pm hjarche: @eduinnovation you know you’re in a community of practice when your practice changes – that’s social learning #lrnchat
9:19:05 pm eduinnovation: Current org. thinking needs to shift to include rewards and review based on learning and collaboration with new learning. #lrnchat
9:19:07 pm wlonline: @mathfaery Not so much doing it alone or in class, rather that we are learning maths from someone else… #lrnchat
9:19:09 pm LearnNuggets: @marciamarcia Children learn this way. They watch dad mow mom’s flowers. Mom yells! Child learns by watching not to do that! #lrnchat
9:19:19 pm media1der: RT @LearnNuggets: @jaycross: “Speeding the others up” Or pulling them along! <<– or kicking in the behind! #lrnchat
9:19:26 pm oxala75: RT @jaycross @KoreenOlbrish You design the playground, not the play. I call it a “learnscape.” Platforms, not programs. #lrnchat
9:19:31 pm roninchef: Q2) What can we do to steer conversation from “social learning” as an activity to a reminder its an integral part of how we learn? #lrnchat
9:19:34 pm KoreenOlbrish: @media1der might not need to be, but i’d bet it’d be more effective if more learning had social components. Cohorts FTW! #lrnchat
9:19:35 pm ThomasStone: RT @jaycross: “Why must we rush to apply names?” we don’t want to confuse old understandings with new. A new name rattles cage #lrnchat
9:19:41 pm stickylearning: Learning is a zig zag of social/solo/social/solo…… #lrnchat
9:19:42 pm busynessgirl: You will probably like my latest map about 21st Century Learning: http://bit.ly/xld9T 1st link @britz #lrnchat
9:19:43 pm ranig2u: RT @hjarche: @eduinnovation you know youre in a community of practice when your practice changes – thats social learning #lrnchat
9:19:53 pm carmean: @Mary_a_Myers But you’re not sure if you’ve learned until you do. And find out you haven’t and still need to carve the paths. #lrnchat
9:19:58 pm wlonline: @Dave_Ferguson There will be times when some ppl do not want to learn/engage #lrnchat
9:20:16 pm jsuzcampos: Desing learning infrastructure instead of events. Make learning possible (and acknowledge it) at each moment. #lrnchat
9:20:18 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LearnNuggets Or, child learns how to yank Mom’s chain. #lrnchat
9:20:22 pm LearnNuggets: RT @jaycross @KoreenOlbrish You design the playground, not the play. I call it a “learnscape.” Platforms, not programs. #lrnchat
9:20:28 pm Quinnovator: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Q2. also, social learning is messy…how design for it? how measure it? How can organizations adapt? #lrnchat
9:20:28 pm eduinnovation: @allisunelearns True, education rewards indiv learner, while org. like Toyota rewards collectivist approach. #lrnchat
9:20:37 pm teachernz: Define and control social learning and you’ll destroy it… or force it to evolve outside the boundaries you’ve set… #lrnchat
9:20:39 pm moehlert: @jaycross This was/is the way of the Web. Move from App to Platform. #lrnchat
9:20:42 pm kasey428: RT @wlonline: @Dave_Ferguson There will be times when some ppl do not want to learn/engage #lrnchat
9:20:56 pm Mary_a_Myers: @carmean agreed. #lrnchat
9:20:59 pm marciamarcia: I’m re-reading last few pages of tweets, subbing “social learning” for “learning socially” and fear we’re back to making it a thing #lrnchat
9:21:02 pm kellygarber: @KoreenOlbrish I think both …and, I like your questions better than mod questions tonight (shhhhhhh) #lrnchat
9:21:03 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @dpeter: Q2 design for social learning? or create the environment? #lrnchat Both.
9:21:06 pm Dave_Ferguson: @wlonline And times when group stuff works against their learning. Group not equal to good. #lrnchat
9:21:10 pm hjarche: @eduinnovation rewards don’t work http://is.gd/3Rcqp #lrnchat
9:21:11 pm media1der: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @media1der Cohorts FTW! <— At least I didn’t say, “praxis!” LoL #lrnchat
9:21:17 pm weisblatt: Joining #lrnchat late. I’m business manager for an LMS for 140K learners
9:21:20 pm richardsheehy: I believe that even the stuff we learn socially we don’t “learn” until we reflect and practice. #lrnchat
9:21:27 pm mathfaery: Learning math from someone usually still requires some time working on it on your own. #lrnchat
9:21:29 pm Quinnovator: Q2: need to recognize learning includes: problem-solving, creativity, design, experimentation, innovation…. #lrnchat
9:21:30 pm jsuzcampos: RT @teachernz: Define and control social learning and youll destroy it… or force it to evolve outside the boundaries youve set… #lrnchat
9:21:43 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish This is our struggle to move from the neat/tide Industrial Rev model of butts-in-seats to something messier #lrnchat
9:21:57 pm ranig2u: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @wlonline And times when group stuff works against their learning. Group not equal to good. – yes groupthink. #lrnchat
9:21:59 pm stickylearning: Q2: need to recognize learning includes: problem-solving, creativity, design, experimentation, innovation…. #lrnchat (via @Quinnovator)
9:22:04 pm Quinnovator: RT @jsuzcampos: Design learning infrastructure instead of events. Make learning possible (and acknowledge it) at each moment. #lrnchat
9:22:07 pm carmean: @Quinnovator Yes, feedback is definitely social. And agreed–faster, better way to learn. #lrnchat
9:22:08 pm nnewlin77: Oh – back to the unexamined life is not worth living! #lrnchat
9:22:10 pm kasey428: In the ISD role, designing learning events with social components is more challenging, but a must. #lrnchat
9:22:15 pm JoanVinallCox: #lrnchat Social learning – must have permission to be wrong w/out losing face, and play well w/ others
9:22:17 pm hjarche: @weisblatt my sympathies #lrnchat
9:22:18 pm teachernz: @richardsheehy so no effective learning without metacognition? #lrnchat
9:22:20 pm mathfaery: I think this is it, exactly! RT @stickylearning: Learning is a zig zag of social/solo/social/solo…… #lrnchat
9:22:23 pm Dave_Ferguson: @richardsheehy I think I agree — if you can’t apply in some way, how is it you’ve learned? #lrnchat
9:22:25 pm everyselearning: RT @teachernz Define and control social learning and you’ll destroy it… or force it to evolve outside the boundaries you’ve set #lrnchat
9:22:32 pm wlonline: Q2 CSCL technology-mediated learning helping to make collaborative learning more “accountable”? #lrnchat
9:22:33 pm JaneBozarth: I think the terminology causes probs: mgmt sees “social’ as = ‘wasting time” #lrnchat
9:22:37 pm tasena: LOL The topic in my grad school class is the same as #lrnchat. How bad is it that I’m backchanneling?
9:22:38 pm roninchef: RT @richardsheehy: I believe that even the stuff we learn socially we dont “learn” until we reflect and practice. #lrnchat
9:22:42 pm jaycross: RT @marciamarcia: subbing “social learning” for “learning socially” and fear were back to making it a thing So what’s the problem? #lrnchat
9:22:47 pm Mary_a_Myers: seems like we are trying to find that “quickening” moment…when does learning happen? #lrnchat
9:22:56 pm KoreenOlbrish: @jaycross i agree, but how is play measured? until we start assessing performance improvement, social learning falls victim to LMSs #lrnchat
9:22:57 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Quinnovator: RT @jsuzcampos: Design learning infrastructure instead of events. Make learning possible at each moment. #lrnchat
9:22:57 pm jsuzcampos: Learning is a state of nature. Why must we measure it? #lrnchat
9:22:59 pm TheTransitioner: @jaycross @hjarche: free currencies will help in creating feedback loops. Flows of wealth created by/for indiv and collectives #lrnchat
9:23:09 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth See also; Game, Fun & Play #lrnchat
9:23:11 pm LearnNuggets: @stickylearning Hey! That’s a new tag name we can apply. “Zig Zag Learning!” #lrnchat
9:23:15 pm Priaak: @KoreenOlbrish I think both but don’t we learn from others when learn together also? #lrnchat
9:23:31 pm planetrussell: @media1der Right. @Quinnovator suggested that just about any reply involving complementarity or, say, Learning Styles(tm)…whoops #lrnchat
9:23:53 pm Mary_a_Myers: @jsuzcampos $$$ ….sad to say #lrnchat
9:23:54 pm oxala75: @moehlert @koreenolbrish indeed. unfortunately, we’re often trying to convince folks who seem to like outward tidiness.#lrnchat
9:24:04 pm hjarche: @tasena backchannelling is GOOD🙂 #lrnchat
9:24:09 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Measuring performance instead of compliance would be a welcome change.🙂 #lrnchat
9:24:14 pm JaneBozarth: Right. And “community of practice” RT @moehlert: @JaneBozarth See also; Game, Fun & Play #lrnchat
9:24:18 pm Dave_Ferguson: RT @JaneBozarth: terminology causes probs: mgmt sees “social’ as = ‘wasting time” #lrnchat Oh, yeah. Unless lots of lecture, too.
9:24:22 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Priaak well played!😉 yes, that’s true…but i’m not sure we design for either… #lrnchat
9:24:22 pm LearnNuggets: Easy to argu tho. Smoke breaks are social. @JaneBozarth: I think the terminology causes probs: mgmt sees “social as = wasting time” #lrnchat
9:24:33 pm jaycross: @KoreenOlbrish Play is measured by the happiness it brings. Corporate learning is measured by worthy results. #lrnchat
9:24:37 pm Mary_a_Myers: @LearnNuggets oh…i love it…i’m a zig zag learning professional…let me show you the way…🙂 #lrnchat
9:25:11 pm mpetersell: @oxala75 plus they expect a measured result #lrnchat
9:25:12 pm carmean: @jsuzcampos Measure to ensure, certify, assess preparedness. Sometimes necessary. You’re just being wild child. #lrnchat
9:25:14 pm teachernz: LMS and VLEs are attempts to quantify, control and profit from learning… they are not designed primarily to aid learning.. #lrnchat
9:25:27 pm hjarche: @TheTransitioner already have free currencies on the Web – much is given for free as random acts of kindness http://is.gd/3R8vf #lrnchat
9:25:32 pm oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish agreed. assessment subdues the ogre, clears the way for magic. #lrnchat
9:25:35 pm jsuzcampos: @Mary_a_Myers i don’t think you measure learning to measure $$$, you measure performance … that’s different. #lrnchat
9:25:43 pm LearnNuggets: Cuz learning must be tied to measure performance. Sales. RT @jsuzcampos: Learning is a state of nature. Why must we measure it? #lrnchat
9:25:55 pm media1der: RT @jsuzcampos: Learning is a state of nature. Why must we measure it? <– cuz if someone’s paying they wanna know what they got! #lrnchat
9:25:56 pm kasey428: @jsuzcampos We measure b/c clients say we must. It is contracted. That’s way learning socially is viewed suspiciously. #lrnchat
9:26:14 pm jaycross: RT @teachernz: LMS and VLEs are attempts to quantify, control and profit from learning… not designed primarily to aid learning.. #lrnchat
9:26:18 pm dwilkinsnh: Social learning is about trading; we are trading expertise, knowledge, influence & connections. Better participants = better group. #lrnchat
9:26:26 pm Quinnovator: RT @jaycross: @KoreenOlbrish Play is measured by the happiness it brings. Corporate learning is measured by worthy results. #lrnchat
9:26:29 pm allisunelearns: @teachernz Moodle was designed with social constructivist philosophy in mind. #lrnchat
9:26:30 pm ranig2u: RT @teachernz: LMS and VLEs are attempt to quantify, control and profit from learning, not designed primarily to aid learning. #lrnchat
9:26:31 pm moehlert: @jaycross Corporate learning too often measured by simple compliance #lrnchat
9:26:31 pm eduinnovation: @hjarche I am thinking more of status within the community. Viewed as a one who shares and collaborates. #lrnchat
9:26:35 pm oxala75: RT @teachernz LMS and VLEs are attempts to quantify, control and profit from learning… not designed primarily to aid learning.. #lrnchat
9:26:52 pm LearnNuggets: Let me know the secret. Mgmt likes their compliance rpts. @moehlert @KoreenOlbrish Measuring performance instead of compliance🙂 #lrnchat
9:26:56 pm hjarche: @kasey428 change the contract – that’s what I do😉 #lrnchat
9:27:11 pm Mary_a_Myers: @jsuzcampos no i meant sometimes the urge to measure learning impact is to justify an approach in business for money #lrnchat
9:27:28 pm stickylearning: RT @moehlert @jaycross Corporate learning too often measured by simple compliance #lrnchat Agree!
9:27:30 pm media1der: <– Loves it!!! RT @Mary_a_Myers: @LearnNuggets im a zig zag learning professional…let me show you the way…🙂 #lrnchat
9:27:31 pm carmean: Lovey thought: RT @oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish agreed. assessment subdues the ogre, clears the way for magic. #lrnchat
9:27:35 pm JaneBozarth: from duh dept: Most people not mindful/ aware of how/when they actually learn #lrnchat
9:27:38 pm jaycross: @jsuzcampos: Learning is a state of nature. Why must we measure it? = Because it’s better to do it well. That takes evaluation. #lrnchat
9:27:41 pm richardsheehy: @jsuzcampos unfortunately in these troubled times $$$ is the language of business, and every $ has to be justified #lrnchat
9:27:42 pm Quinnovator: measure deltas in ideas, problems-solved, new products/services, higher customer support satisfaction #lrnchat
9:27:43 pm tonya_simmons: should be less about performance and more about increased productivity, innovation and efficiency #lrnchat
9:27:49 pm LearnNuggets: @Mary_a_Myers @stickylearning has it figured out. Social/Solo/Social/Solo… #lrnchat
9:27:57 pm dwilkinsnh: @KoreenOlbrish some of us LMS folk aren’t all bad – me and @ThomasStone for example… doing cool stuff with social in LMS enviro #lrnchat
9:27:58 pm teachernz: @allisunelearns and I make a partial exception for most free software..including moodle = non-profit #lrnchat
9:28:02 pm Quinnovator: or just smileys RT @moehlert: @jaycross Corporate learning too often measured by simple compliance #lrnchat
9:28:06 pm Dave_Ferguson: Orgs SHOULD demand worthy results, or they’re not orgs, they’re just clumps. Don’t like the results? Find another clump. #lrnchat
9:28:07 pm tonya_simmons: aren’t those the benefits of learning to do something better #lrnchat
9:28:12 pm mpetersell: If we can meet the measures jobs get cut #lrnchat
9:28:21 pm jaycross: Gotta run. A pleasure to converse with you lrnchatters. #lrnchat
9:28:24 pm Digin4ed: @JaneBozarth:those managers will be history in a few years. #lrnchat
9:28:24 pm marciamarcia: Wondering if the bigger question is “Learning social or all social about learning?” #lrnchat
9:28:28 pm busynessgirl: RT @JaneBozarth: from duh dept: Most people not mindful/ aware of how/when they actually learn #lrnchat
9:28:28 pm Mary_a_Myers: @hjarche harold, i like the way you roll. #lrnchat
9:28:29 pm hjarche: @eduinnovation intrinsic vs extrinsic is important consideration then #lrnchat
9:28:32 pm kasey428: @hjarche Our clients, Federal agencies, don’t take kindly to our making contract demands. #lrnchat
9:28:33 pm JaneBozarth: Why, we measure it with multiple choice test scores, silly. #lrnchat
9:28:34 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator Damn you Likert!!! #lrnchat
9:28:37 pm kelly_smith01: RT @JaneBozarth: from duh dept: Most people not mindful/ aware of how/when they actually learn #lrnchat
9:28:55 pm LearnNuggets: RT @dwilkinsnh: Social learning is about trading; we’re trading expertise, knowledge, influence & connections… #lrnchat
9:28:59 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth When did you learn when you learned, before or after you learned it? #lrnchat
9:29:08 pm busynessgirl: I ask my students every class … what have you learned outside of this class? It’s like pulling teeth some days. @JaneBozarth #lrnchat
9:29:08 pm KoreenOlbrish: @dwilkinsnh ha! its not really the LMSs…its SCORM (oh yeah, now i’ve done it…) #lrnchat
9:29:15 pm hjarche: @Mary_a_Myers thx! #lrnchat
9:29:17 pm dpeter: RT @marciamarcia: Wondering if the bigger question is “Learning social or all social about learning?” #lrnchat
9:29:20 pm Priaak: RT @marciamarcia Wondering if the bigger question is “Learning social or all social about learning? #lrnchat
9:29:21 pm busynessgirl: RT @moehlert: @Quinnovator Damn you Likert!!! #lrnchat
9:29:24 pm media1der: RT @tonya_simmons: should be less about performance more increased productivity, innovation efficiency is that the 5 scale or 10 scale Likert? #lrnchat
9:29:51 pm LearnNuggets: @Dave_Ferguson Orgs are like that. They’re always moving with the market looking for a better clump. Learning just follows suit #lrnchat
9:29:51 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh yeah, but that’s what you said the *last* time…😉 #lrnchat
9:29:51 pm teachernz: but i still say there’s a lot going on to keep learning institutionalised = control…even using freeware like moodle #lrnchat
9:29:55 pm wlonline: @Dave_Ferguson Groupthink is not my favourite either! #lrnchat
9:29:57 pm hjarche: @kasey428 1st rule of project management – choose the right project #lrnchat
9:29:59 pm weisblatt: An LMS is just a big spreadsheet. It will record what you want. But without it ourbudgets will keep getting pulled. #lrnchat
9:30:08 pm wlonline: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @wlonline And times when group stuff works against their learning. Group not equal to good. #lrnchat
9:30:08 pm ranig2u: RT @LearnNuggets: RT @dwilkinsnh: Social learning is about trading; were trading expertise, knowledge, influence & connections… #lrnchat
9:30:21 pm tonya_simmons: I learned I learned when I repeated info back to SME for confirmation that I learned it correctly – isn’t that social? #lrnchat
9:30:23 pm Dave_Ferguson: @roninchef You can’t really tell when you first learn; neural activity too small (for you) to detect. #lrnchat
9:30:26 pm oxala75: amazing how they are such a central part of many jobs.. RT @JaneBozarth Why, we measure it with multiple choice test scores, silly. #lrnchat
9:30:38 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert at least a nine-point scale, for ‘significance’ #lrnchat
9:30:44 pm media1der: RT @moehlert: @Quinnovator Damn you Likert!!! <– Oh, the humanity! LoL #lrnchat
9:30:49 pm lrnchat: Q3) What strategies can we implement to show the effectiveness of learning together, socially, in the work environment? #lrnchat
9:30:53 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator LOL. I only go to companies that have good social stuff. #lrnchat
9:30:55 pm JaneBozarth: @Digin4ed That’s what we said about them a few years ago. #lrnchat
9:31:10 pm JaneBozarth: @KoreenOlbrish You said SCORM! #lrnchat
9:31:13 pm tonya_simmons: @media1der innovation does not always define performance and is not always welcome in some corporations #lrnchat
9:31:16 pm LearnNuggets: Don’t forget gold stars! RT @Quinnovator: or just smileys RT @moehlert: @jaycross Corp learning too often measured by simple comp #lrnchat
9:31:20 pm roninchef: @wlonline Groupthink brings up thoughts of Hivemind. #lrnchat
9:31:21 pm Quinnovator: @weisblatt no chance you can’t #lrnchat
9:31:25 pm KoreenOlbrish: LOL RT @Dave_Ferguson: @roninchef You cant really tell when you first learn; neural activity too small (for you) to detect. #lrnchat
9:31:25 pm weisblatt: @roninchef I learned that I learned when I started using it #lrnchat
9:31:34 pm eduinnovation: @hjarche Very important. Japanese idea of “Yokoten”..its is a requirement of org. culture to share learning with others. #lrnchat
9:31:48 pm Quinnovator: c@weisblatt no chance of ‘shifting’ the budget to more productive uses? #lrnchat
9:31:49 pm moehlert: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What strategies can we implement 2 show the effectiveness of learning together, socially, in the work environment? #lrnchat
9:31:50 pm media1der: RT @weisblatt: LMS is big spreadsheet … record what you want. But without it ourbudgets will keep getting pulled. <– Amen, bro! #lrnchat
9:31:58 pm jsuzcampos: hard time articulating this one. there is a difference between evaluating the quality of learning and measuring business ROI. yes? #lrnchat
9:32:03 pm Dave_Ferguson: @oxala75 Yeah, but you’d be shocked how few C-level folks get multiple-guess evals. #lrnchat
9:32:05 pm dwilkinsnh: @KoreenOlbrish Don’t even get me started on that one. Used to be in the simulation game – SCORM was like handcuffs. #lrnchat
9:32:07 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: And times when group stuff works against their learning. Group not equal to good. #lrnchat
9:32:14 pm Merkader: by seeing the application of social learning in ones job #lrnchat
9:32:14 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What strategies can we implement to show effectiveness of learning together, socially, in the work environment? #lrnchat
9:32:18 pm ranig2u: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What strategies can we implement to show effectiveness of learning together, socially, in the work environment? #lrnchat
9:32:20 pm kasey428: @hjarche 98% of our clients r government. DC not like the rest of the learning world. A whole other beast. #lrnchat
9:32:21 pm oxala75: @lrnchat create internal systems that showcase benefits of certain SoLrn strategies. is working at my office, so far (tho slowly) #lrnchat
9:32:35 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q3. (and in this chapter, Koreen talks about how virtual worlds can support social learning in the corporate environment…) #lrnchat
9:32:41 pm Dave_Ferguson: @KoreenOlbrish I meant the GENERIC you, not @roninchef #lrnchat
9:32:46 pm mizminh: RT @JaneBozarth: from duh dept: Most people not mindful/ aware of how/when they actually learn #lrnchat So troo! Loss of transferability
9:32:52 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @tonya_simmons: I learned I learned when repeated back to SME 4 confirmation learned correctly – isn’t that social? #lrnchat – I weep!
9:33:05 pm roninchef: @weisblatt @weisblatt There have been times when I’ve said, “When did I learn that?” #lrnchat
9:33:07 pm oxala75: @kasey428 @hjarche agreed, mostly. #lrnchat
9:33:08 pm wlonline: Q3 more collaborative learning; sharing the learning throughout the organisation instead of behind shells #lrnchat
9:33:11 pm mpalko: @dwilkinsnh social lrng is like that take-a-penny / leave-a-penny tray at 7-11. If you got it, share it. If you need it, take it #lrnchat
9:33:13 pm dpeter: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What strategies can we implement 2 show the effectiveness of learning together, socially, in the work environment? #lrnchat
9:33:16 pm ThomasStone: RT @jaycross: Learning is a state of nature. Why must we measure it? = Because it’s better to do it well. That takes evaluation. #lrnchat
9:33:27 pm dwilkinsnh: @lrnchat Q3) Measure the impact: reduced turnover, sales impacts, fewer errors, higher innovation, etc… #lrnchat
9:33:29 pm hjarche: If you pit a good person against a bad system, the system will win almost every time (G. Rummler) – choose the right sys for you #lrnchat
9:33:37 pm jlamontagne: RT @eduinnovation: Have u considered that Twitter Trending Topics could be social constructed commnty primary source for learning? #lrnchat
9:33:40 pm LearnNuggets: @busynessgirl Make it a graded assignment. What they learned outside of class will be tested. A multiple choice test for sure🙂 #lrnchat
9:33:42 pm Digin4ed: Q3 nothing shows the effectiveness as well as results and improved performance. #lrnchat
9:33:44 pm carmean: Q3: Strategies to show effectiveness: harness and publish socially constructed knowledge? (SharePoint making inroads in corps.) #lrnchat
9:33:44 pm eduinnovation: Org. develop measurement that shows diff or group learning impact vs. private learning #lrnchat
9:33:45 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Dave_Ferguson I know…still funny🙂 sorry, i’m a learning science geek! #lrnchat
9:33:47 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth she must’ve been thirsty, we’ve been too dry this #lrnchat
9:33:58 pm planetrussell: @hjarche @@kasey428 Right! Corollary to 1st rule of proj. mgmt.: knowing which projects to explicitly say NO to. Sooo…Haaard… #lrnchat
9:34:09 pm stickylearning: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What strategies can we implement 2 show the effectiveness of learning together, socially, in the work environment? #lrnchat
9:34:12 pm mizminh: Q3 stage a coup🙂 #lrnchat
9:34:16 pm weisblatt: @lrnchat Q3 Don’t we need to figure out what change we want to figure out the value of what we learned to get to that change #lrnchat
9:34:30 pm mpetersell: Rating ideas is a good measure for social learning #lrnchat
9:34:32 pm kellygarber: @KoreenOlbrish get through the firewall and you’ve won half the battle! #lrnchat
9:34:37 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @roninchef u can’t tell when u 1st learn; neural activity 2 small (for u) 2 detect. #lrnchat Social=discover that u know?
9:34:42 pm carmean: q3: design learning spaces where evidence of social learning solves problems. #lrnchat
9:34:47 pm LearnNuggets: If they’re male and under 24, it’s not their fault. Their frontal lobe is not fully developed (decision-making/reasoning) #lrnchat
9:34:50 pm Mary_a_Myers: Q3 strategies? documenting; case studies; …or just do it! share…constant information exchange #lrnchat
9:34:55 pm planetrussell: @hjarche @kasey428 Right! Corollary to 1st rule of proj. mgmt.: knowing which projects to explicitly say NO to. Sooo…Haaard… #lrnchat
9:34:59 pm PearlFlipper: #lrnchat Just finished teaching EdTec 685 on Web 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 and having nice debate on Social Learning. Sorry to join late. Q3: Data
9:35:02 pm Digin4ed: @JaneBozarth Just a timing thing #lrnchat
9:35:11 pm roninchef: RT @lrnchat: Q3 What strategies can we implement to show the effectiveness of learning together, socially, in the work environment? #lrnchat
9:35:11 pm eduinnovation: RT @hjarche: If you pit a good person against a bad system, the system will win almost every time (G. Rummler) – #lrnchat
9:35:14 pm mpetersell: If people choose ideas as favorites that is a good metric #lrnchat
9:35:19 pm tasena: @Dave_Ferguson Doesn’t good design help people want to learn? #lrnchat
9:35:20 pm JaneBozarth: RT @tonya_simmons: @media1der innovation does not always define performance and is not always welcome in some corporations #lrnchat
9:35:23 pm hewenchao: Q3 – We may need to identify the knowledge nudgets in all the archives afterwards. #lrnchat
9:35:33 pm moehlert: RT @carmean: q3: design learning spaces where evidence of social learning solves problems. #lrnchat
9:35:35 pm dpeter: Q3 Effective learning? Hard to determine. Efficient learning? Or is learning AFFECTIVE? easier to determine, I think. #lrnchat
9:35:38 pm wlonline: Q3 providing more open collaborative “learning” platforms within the organisation… #lrnchat
9:35:43 pm kelly_smith01: RT mizminh Q3 stage a coup🙂 #lr #lrnchat
9:35:55 pm media1der: RT @tonya_simmons: innovation does not always define performance worth –> crucial gaps –> learning gaps –> ways to address. Not “let’s have a wiki!” #lrnchat
9:36:07 pm mpetersell: High ratings bring important learning to the forefront, low ratings bury weak ideas #lrnchat
9:36:11 pm KoreenOlbrish: @LearnNuggets wait, isn’t that for women too? #lrnchat
9:36:11 pm dwilkinsnh: @kasey428 Intellipedia, Army, IRS, Navy — all heavy users of soc media; maybe those stories can help you make the case? #lrnchat
9:36:13 pm Quinnovator: so who’s going to bring up ‘situated cognition’? #lrnchat
9:36:17 pm eduinnovation: Culture always wins. Plans, strategies, initiatives, campaigns, etc. will crash against the wall of bad culture #lrnchat
9:36:23 pm busynessgirl: @LearnNuggets You misunderstand … I want to know that they learned in other classes and life experiences. Not my discipline. #lrnchat
9:36:24 pm kasey428: Q3 is a great ?. The company is striving to develop closer relationship w/clients to develop trust. Social learning is possible. #lrnchat
9:36:25 pm teachernz: Q3) How would you measure the learning that’s happened here today at lrnchat? #lrnchat
9:36:32 pm oxala75: @PearlFlipper Web 4.0? The spoon, i gag on it. #lrnchat
9:36:37 pm stickylearning: RT @tasena @Dave_Ferguson Doesn’t good design help people want to learn? #lrnchat
9:36:47 pm hewenchao: Q3 – We may need to identify the knowledge nuggets in all the archives afterwards. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:36:47 pm kasey428: RT @dpeter: Q3 Effective learning? Hard to determine. Efficient learning? Or is learning AFFECTIVE? easier to determine, I think. #lrnchat
9:36:49 pm odguru: Best measure is if NO ONE really questions whether the initiative is worthwhile. #lrnchat
9:36:51 pm Dave_Ferguson: @tasena Good design can help, but sometimes it’s just Clearasil on a crappy system. #lrnchat Folks can learn but not be happy.
9:37:04 pm jsuzcampos: Q3) put everyone in their office for a day without email and tell them not to speak. compare results to “business as usual”. #lrnchat
9:37:05 pm dpeter: Q3 How do we measure social learning – collectively? or individually? I am always wondering. #lrnchat
9:37:06 pm JaneBozarth: Q3 Ask performers where/how/from who they learned something #lrnchat
9:37:12 pm tonya_simmons: @media1der but if you’re afraid to be wrong you don’t innovate #lrnchat
9:37:14 pm wlonline: @busynessgirl I find it hard to get it out of my kids most days :=) #lrnchat
9:37:36 pm ranig2u: RT @teachernz: Q3) How would you measure the learning thats happened here today at lrnchat? #lrnchat
9:37:37 pm media1der: RT @stickylearning: RT @tasena @Dave_Ferguson Doesnt good design help people want to learn? <– only if topic relevant to learner #lrnchat
9:37:40 pm busynessgirl: RT Q3) What strategies can we implement to show the effectiveness of learning together, socially, in the work environment? #lrnchat
9:37:44 pm californiakara: Q3) I’ve always been a fan of key metrics tied back to biz goals #lrnchat
9:37:49 pm britz: Q3) Wrap it? Embedd it? Foster communities? #lrnchat
9:37:54 pm oxala75: @jsuzcampos ha! don’t tempt me. #lrnchat
9:37:58 pm Erick1970: RT @carmean q3: design learning spaces where evidence of social learning solves problems. #lrnchat (Social Learning Spaces?)
9:38:00 pm hjarche: @Quinnovator haven’t heard term “situated cognition” for a long time – thx for blast from past #lrnchat
9:38:01 pm kasey428: @dwilkinsnh Please share more. I think it might be the culture around our subject expertise that is the problem. #lrnchat
9:38:06 pm moehlert: #lrnchat BTW, just cuz I’m feeling salty – classrooms are just Industrial Age relics promoting efficiency over effectiveness.
9:38:14 pm Quinnovator: @kasey428 learning should be affective and effective. Efficient? If you get the first two right… #lrnchat
9:38:20 pm mglazer: @dpeter interesting point. What, if anything, do you think it affects? #lrnchat
9:38:28 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q3. how about we reward/motivate on group successes vs individual? Social learning aimed at improving everyone’s performance… #lrnchat
9:38:30 pm media1der: RT @tonya_simmons: @media1der but if youre afraid to be wrong you dont innovate <– true, in a culture not open to trying #lrnchat
9:38:34 pm busynessgirl: On the bright side, the students are starting to get better (they realize I’m not going to stop asking) @learnnuggets @wlonline #lrnchat
9:38:34 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator I brought it up. JSB worked with it (+ Collins & Duguid) with the math stuff #lrnchat
9:38:36 pm marciamarcia: Another way to measure this is to ask what has changed in us as a result. #lrnchat
9:38:41 pm littleasklab: @moehlert Isn’t that that the premise behind crowd sourcing? #lrnchat
9:38:48 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth Orr’s “Talking about Machines” = Book club suggestion! #lrnchat
9:38:48 pm dwilkinsnh: Is the ques about effectiveness of learning or business impact? I don’t care about the learning. I want to impact the bottom line #lrnchat
9:38:50 pm mritzius: RT @eduinnovation: Culture always wins. Plans, strategies, initiatives, campaigns, etc. will crash vs. the wall of bad culture #lrnchat TRU!
9:38:57 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @moehlert: #lrnchat just cuz Im feeling salty – classrooms r just Industrial Age relics promoting efficiency over effectiveness. #lrnchat
9:39:00 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: As an aside, I think many of you would like Orr’s “Talking about Machines” #lrnchat #lrnchatbook Bookclub shout out!
9:39:08 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche that’s because I’ve been around a long time😉 #lrnchat
9:39:09 pm JaneBozarth: Adult learners do not sit around saying, “I’m an adult learner”. They go to the workshop at Home Depot on how to build deck. #lrnchat
9:39:16 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @eduinnovation: Culture always wins. Plans, strategies, initiatives, campaigns, etc. will crash against the wall of bad culture #lrnchat
9:39:21 pm busynessgirl: Q3 I’m afraid that we may have to start by showing the effectiveness of LEARNING (period) in the work environment. #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm dpeter: @mglazer #lrnchat Not quite sure. Definitely will think about that one. Has to be an affect AND effect somewhere.
9:39:33 pm PearlFlipper: @oxala75 Here’s an example http://ow.ly/r8Q9 but agree the name 4.0? what? RT @oxala75: @PearlFlipper Web 4.0? The spoon, i gag #lrnchat
9:39:39 pm stickylearning: @eduinnovation Agree culture is the platform. Therefore must embed social ideas/learning into the fabric of business. #lrnchat
9:39:41 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert and we’re supposed to disagree with that? #lrnchat
9:39:42 pm moehlert: @mritzius Watch “Gods Must Be Crazy” for full lesson🙂 #lrnchat
9:39:45 pm wlonline: Finding that collaborative learning via workplace, slowly but surely can result in efficacy and effectiveness for improved outcomes #lrnchat
9:39:50 pm busynessgirl: @moehlert You have time to read? LOL #lrnchat
9:39:52 pm JaneBozarth: @roninchef Yes, I think that would be good book choice. Learning IN work, learning from others AS they work #lrnchat
9:40:04 pm mizminh: Rt @SmartStorming Complacency is the La Brea tar pit of Innovation🙂 #lrnchat
9:40:06 pm mritzius: @moehlert I know it well #lrnchat
9:40:07 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @JaneBozarth: Adult learners dont say, “Im an adult learner”. They go to the workshop at Home Depot on how to build deck. #lrnchat
9:40:08 pm oxala75: @busynessgirl ugh. true. #lrnchat
9:40:15 pm ThomasStone: Q3 Given difficulty of quantitative L3 or L4 eval (too many factors), should focus on great stories, concrete anecdotes as proof #lrnchat
9:40:15 pm stevebarkley: RT @eduinnovation: Culture always wins. ………………….So leadership need to focus on changing culture #lrnchat
9:40:18 pm JaneBozarth: @roninchef And RE Orr important: They performed BETTER than the organization wanted them to #lrnchat
9:40:22 pm media1der: Q3 – Altho not 100% reliable, it can be helpful to allow learners to rate their own learning experience #lrnchat
9:40:30 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth all over cognitive apprenticeship (which is social, FTW!) #lrnchat
9:40:37 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator Just wanted to throw it out there🙂 #lrnchat
9:40:43 pm cammybean: RT @roninchef: @JaneBozarth Orr’s “Talking about Machines” = Book club suggestion! #lrnchat
9:40:44 pm planetrussell: Q3 Does *measurement* of learning necessarily imply a *quantitative* method/metric? #lrnchat
9:40:45 pm kasey428: @moehlert Book! Does that call for a Sloe Gin Fizz? Do bartenders even make those anymore? #lrnchat
9:40:59 pm Dave_Ferguson: @busynessgirl Yes, everything from United Way sermon to Sarbanes-Oxley to new expense system gets called “learning.” #lrnchat
9:41:01 pm stickylearning: RT @JaneBozarth Adult learners don’t sit around saying “I’m an adult learner” They do the wrkshp at Home Depot on how to build deck #lrnchat
9:41:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @dwilkinsnh: Is ques about effectiveness of learning or business impact? Don’t care about learning. Want to impact bottom line #lrnchat
9:41:15 pm tonya_simmons: @JaneBozarth so this book club – what kind of pace are we talking here, I’m interested, but I have a toddler which = little time #lrnchat
9:41:19 pm media1der: RT @KoreenOlbrish: RT @JaneBozarth: Adult learners go to the workshop at Home Depot on how to build deck. <– or watch online video #lrnchat
9:41:25 pm britz: RT @moehlert BTW, just cuz I’m feeling salty – classrooms are just Industrial Age relics promoting efficiency over effectiveness. #lrnchat
9:41:27 pm dwilkinsnh: @kasey428 All 330,000 airmen are encouraged to participate in the social web – blogs, microblogs etc. w/ only a one page guideline #lrnchat
9:41:28 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator Didn’t say not social. Said social, but needs context/application. #lrnchat
9:41:34 pm kasey428: @media1der I believe more adult learners would be truthful about their learning experiences. #lrnchat
9:41:53 pm ThomasStone: LMSes focus on what they do b/c it is what can most easily be quantitatively measured (completion, passing knowledge tests, etc.) #lrnchat
9:42:01 pm dpeter: #lrnchat Social learning – Bandura http://is.gd/3ResO
9:42:02 pm dwilkinsnh: @kasey428 Intellipedia is a joint effort across all intelligence agencies to share expertise and knowledge #lrnchat
9:42:04 pm mizminh: RT @moehlert #lrnchat BTW, just cuz I’m feeling salty – classrooms are just Industrial Age relics promoting efficiency over effectiveness.
9:42:07 pm mpetersell: @media1der learners can also rate the quality of ideas or usefulness they pick up from others #lrnchat
9:42:10 pm Dave_Ferguson: @media1der …and then they hire a contractor. #lrnchat
9:42:15 pm cammybean: Most people don’t think about whether or not they’re learning, they just figure out what they need to do. #lrnchat
9:42:20 pm mritzius: I’m new to this group. What is #lrnchat all about?
9:42:29 pm roninchef: @KoreenOlbrish Yes! And a longer school year. Loose the agricultural society schedule. Kids today aren’t baling hay. #lrnchat
9:42:33 pm JaneBozarth: @tonya_simmons It’s @roninchef’ s book club — let’s ask him #lrnchat
9:42:34 pm KoreenOlbrish: Orgs are better if everyone keeps learning…design to support that and THAT is what will drive improved org results #lrnchat
9:42:35 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @Quinnovator: @kasey428 learning should be affective and effective. Efficient? If you get the first two right… #lrnchat
9:42:36 pm ThomasStone: If we add social learning into the blend, can still do the same, for what its worth… why not? one more learning input channel #lrnchat
9:42:37 pm weisblatt: Can you show that Social Learning can change the culture? That would have the biggest impact on the bottom line. do they know that? #lrnchat
9:42:37 pm cclibrarian: RT @dpeter Q3 How do we measure social learning – collectively? or individually? I am always wondering. #lrnchat
9:42:41 pm mglazer: I agree with @Quinnovator: it’s about business impact. measured in the language of the business #lrnchat
9:42:48 pm dpeter: #lrnchat More on social learning http://is.gd/3Rezl
9:42:51 pm jsuzcampos: RT @Quinnovator: RT @dwilkinsnh: agreed: there is a difference betw evaluating the quality of learning and measuring business ROI. #lrnchat
9:42:55 pm dwilkinsnh: @kasey428 IRS has dedicated people for collaborative learning – wikis, social learning, all kinds of cool stuff #lrnchat
9:42:56 pm teachernz: RT @moehlert: #lrnchat just cuz Im feeling salty – classrooms r just Industrial Age relics promoting efficiency over effectiveness. #lrnchat
9:42:58 pm Quinnovator: @planetrussell interesting question. I like triangulating: qualitative & quantitative (but Kirpatrick 3 is mostly qualitative, no?) #lrnchat
9:43:00 pm media1der: RT @Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth all over cognitive apprenticeship (which is social, FTW!) <– ADORE cog-app! applied to self-paced! #lrnchat
9:43:03 pm bschlenker: RT @cammybean: Most people dont think about whether or not theyre learning, they just figure out what they need to do. #lrnchat
9:43:05 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @roninchef: @KoreenOlbrish Yes! And a longer school year. Loose the agricultural society schedule. Kids today arent baling hay. #lrnchat
9:43:11 pm JaneBozarth: @media1der Yes– point was they do not define themselves as ‘adult learner” . They see selves as solving a problem. #lrnchat
9:43:14 pm stickylearning: RT @cammybean Most people don’t think about whether or not they’re learning, they just figure out what they need to do. #lrnchat
9:43:14 pm odguru: Q3)Self reported rate of learning-when were you learning most,quality of learning-ability 2 apply knowledge,application report back #lrnchat
9:43:14 pm LearnNuggets: Key! RT @cammybean: Most people dont think about whether or not theyre learning, they just figure out what they need to do. #lrnchat
9:43:22 pm kasey428: @dwilkinsnh And it is measured how? Our clients want measurement. “Show us what they learned?” I have heard it many times. #lrnchat
9:43:36 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @busynessgirl @KoreenOlbrish @mrch0mp3rs Everybody Teaches. Everybody Learns. Someone translate that into Latin please.
9:43:37 pm Priaak: Isn’t social learning the ‘informal learning’?… how do you measure it objectively? #lrnchat
9:43:37 pm busynessgirl: Well, I’m out of here … need to go spend time with Mr. Busynessgirl and Battlestar Galactica. Nice chatting with you all. #lrnchat
9:43:37 pm Quinnovator: @kasey428 sloe gin? Goodness, that brings back memories. Not all unpleasant ones… #lrnchat
9:43:37 pm tonya_simmons: @roninchef Kids today aren’t baling hay — maybe not where you are, but they are here #lrnchat
9:43:38 pm cammybean: RT @ajeanne: It’s not new: Bandura’s “Social Learning” = people learn from one another… http://bit.ly/Tp5H9 #lrnchat
9:43:42 pm Dave_Ferguson: @ThomasStone Yep; LMS is often the best possible way to count the beans the bean counters want to count. #lrnchat
9:43:42 pm tasena: @media1der That’s the purpose of good design & teaching– helping the learner to understand why information is relevant #lrnchat
9:43:47 pm wlonline: With people coming and going, w/place needs a form of organisational memory/knowledge bank #lrnchat eg wiki to share processes, procedures,
9:43:54 pm Mary_a_Myers: @roninchef @koreenolbrish i wish there were more kids out baling hay. #lrnchat
9:44:07 pm stickylearning: Must be leaving (not for baby, but for 4 year old!) #lrnchat
9:44:15 pm jsuzcampos: @Quinnovator i consider level 3 quantitative … good gap analysis shows the metrics you want around peformance #lrnchat
9:44:31 pm media1der: RT @kasey428: @media1der adult learners truthful about learning experiences <– yest but don’t always understand application/value #lrnchat
9:44:36 pm eduinnovation: Tell Professional Learning Communities I work w/ that the leaning is the work, collaboration is the means, but RESULTS is the goal. #lrnchat
9:44:39 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @bschlenker: RT @cammybean: Most people dont think whether or not theyre learning, they just figure out what they need to do. #lrnchat
9:44:41 pm dwilkinsnh: @kasey428 I think maybe the wrong focus. Is the goal learning or performance improvement etc…? #lrnchat
9:44:42 pm LearnNuggets: @busynessgirl Later! Enjoy the Mr. and Battlestar Gallactica #lrnchat
9:44:43 pm Quinnovator: @weisblatt actually, social learning ‘exposes’ the culture. Then you can change. #lrnchat
9:44:46 pm marciamarcia: @jaycross What’s wrong w/ making ‘learning socially’ a thing? Many will say, “We’re not going to do that here.” #lrnchat
9:44:47 pm ranig2u: Q3 – what i learned here -reflection in action, think on ur feet, measure ability to talk about ideas #lrnchat
9:44:49 pm moehlert: @kasey428 They WANT performance- they UNDERSTAND measurement. We got some ‘splaining to do Lucy.🙂 ps I’m one of those Govt ppl #lrnchat
9:44:53 pm ThomasStone: good idea RT @JaneBozarth: Q3 Ask performers where/how/from who they learned something #lrnchat
9:44:53 pm Dave_Ferguson: Qui bene distinguit, bene docet. #lrnchat
9:45:11 pm Prof_K: RT: @KoreenOlbrish Orgs r better if evryone keeps lrning…design2support that&THAT is what will drive imprvd org reslts #lrnchat | So true!
9:45:12 pm dpeter: #lrnchat About informal learning http://is.gd/3ReO6
9:45:17 pm odguru: RT@wlonline With people coming and going, w/place need organisational memory/knowledge bank #lrnchat eg wiki to share processes, procedures
9:45:17 pm jsuzcampos: @kasey428 “Show us what they learned” is different than, “Show us what is better now.” #lrnchat
9:45:26 pm wlonline: @busynessgirl Keep persisting! #lrnchat
9:45:31 pm marciamarcia: When learning socially is perceived as a thing, organizational immune systems will work hard to reject it. #lrnchat
9:45:38 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @eduinnovation: Tell Professional Learning Communities: learning is the work, collaboration is the means, RESULTS is the goal. #lrnchat
9:45:42 pm hjarche: more saltiness: courses are an ancient artifact of when information was scarce & connections were few @moehlert #lrnchat
9:45:44 pm mizminh: RT @KoreenOlbrish Kids today arent baling hay. #lrnchat why not? or equivalent agricultural engagement🙂 ?
9:45:46 pm kasey428: @dwilkinsnh Maybe one day, my own company to deal solely with alternate delivery, including social learning #lrnchat
9:45:48 pm roninchef: @tonya_simmons They are and I did as well (roninchef was a farm boy). I just think they need to be in school more not less. #lrnchat
9:45:56 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @jsuzcampos: @kasey428 “Show us what they learned” is different than, “Show us what is better now.” #lrnchat
9:45:59 pm oxala75: too many quotables in tonight’s #lrnchat – have been favoriting a lot.
9:46:04 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @ThomasStone: good idea RT @JaneBozarth: Q3 Ask performers where/how/from who they learned something #lrnchat Hoo Ra!
9:46:19 pm JaneBozarth: Q3 need grassroots change. Learners need to be more mindful of when/how they learn, articulate that. #lrnchat
9:46:22 pm media1der: RT @tasena: @media1der purpose of good design — help … understand … relevant <– but not all good design is relevant to me! #lrnchat
9:46:41 pm moehlert: RT @hjarche: more saltiness: courses are an ancient artifact of when information was scarce & connections were few @moehlert #lrnchat
9:46:42 pm odguru: RT:hjarche more saltiness: courses are an ancient artifact of when information was scarce & connections were few @moehlert #lrnchat
9:46:51 pm planetrussell: @Quinnovator Why, “yes!” he says… (after hastily Googling “Kirpatrick 3” and finding ASTD reference.) #lrnchat
9:46:59 pm tonya_simmons: @roninchef I don’t disagree at all – I think an expanded school year is a great idea #lrnchat
9:47:07 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @hjarche: more saltiness: courses are an ancient artifact of when information was scarce & connections were few @moehlert #lrnchat
9:47:10 pm mrch0mp3rs: @moehlert insegna a tutti, tutti imparano. (Italian). Also? Coverage along 65 blows #lrnchat
9:47:21 pm jsuzcampos: I have found that most client start w/, “Tell us who attended & if they liked the trng.” Learning & performance don’t make the cut. #lrnchat
9:47:25 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @hjarche: more saltiness: courses are an ancient artifact of when information was scarce & connections were few @moehlert #lrnchat
9:47:25 pm britz: Somebody say kids should be baling more a hay? http://bit.ly/wkOFO The case for working with your hands #lrnchat
9:47:26 pm ranig2u: if social learning is a how, not a what – then measure the how of zig-zag thinking #lrnchat
9:47:44 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @marciamarcia: When learning socially is perceived as a thing, organizational immune systems will work hard to reject it. #lrnchat
9:47:50 pm hjarche: @bdieu sorry ’bout that😦 here’s more depressing data on how systems change behaviour http://is.gd/3ReYX #lrnchat
9:47:52 pm media1der: RT @KoreenOlbrish: “Show us what they learned” is different than, “Show us what is better now.” grassroots change. Learners > more mindful of when/how they learn, articulate that. #lrnchat Teach reflectiveness
9:48:59 pm fatquestion: RT @cammybean: Because most people just do it (learn), they easily get annoyed by all of the efforts to measure it. #lrnchat
9:49:02 pm tonya_simmons: @roninchef and actually here, they’re more likely to be combining corn or beans than baling hay #lrnchat
9:49:04 pm bschlenker: RT @cammybean: Because most people just do it (learn), they easily get annoyed by all of the efforts to measure it. #lrnchat
9:49:04 pm mathfaery: RT @cammybean: Because most people just do it (learn), they easily get annoyed by all of the efforts to measure it. #lrnchat
9:49:13 pm cammybean: That general annoyance over measurement of learning is why conversations like this can make eyeballs roll!😉 #lrnchat
9:49:13 pm jsuzcampos: @Quinnovator re: level 3, i completely agree! i like to throw in some self-reported level III too. #lrnchat
9:49:19 pm odguru: So what do we do? RT:@dwilkinsnh RT @marciamarcia:When learning socially is perceived as a thing,org immune systems will reject it. #lrnchat
9:49:22 pm moehlert: @kasey428 We clearly need a Live DC-area #lrnchat event!
9:49:26 pm JaneBozarth: YES RT @cammybean: Because most people just do it (learn), they easily get annoyed by all of the efforts to measure it. #lrnchat
9:49:33 pm mizminh: Q3 Introducing adults to the KWL graphic organiser is a good start for metacog. Use it well & people begin to use it as a tool. #lrnchat
9:49:35 pm bdieu: @hjarche have just entered #lrnchat and my worst suspicions have been confirmed😦
9:49:36 pm kasey428: Improved performance is what any client should want. It is why I chose this field. Company migrating from training to learning org. #lrnchat
9:49:42 pm mglazer: a recent example of SL impact: we though of 75+ ideas for new products and 45 biz dev ideas in a single 24-hr period #lrnchat
9:49:45 pm jsuzcampos: @JaneBozarth You knows these clients, don’t you Jane? They love brownies and well-dressed trainers. #lrnchat
9:49:53 pm Priaak: RT @cammybean: Because most people just do it (learn), they easily get annoyed by all of the efforts to measure it. #lrnchat
9:49:59 pm oxala75: @Dave_Ferguson i just learned that Google Translate doesn’t cover Latin. Weird. #lrnchat
9:50:00 pm teachernz: So improve performance = improved learning? Back to the old question… what is learning for? (ducks for cover) #lrnchat
9:50:07 pm JeffLowe: RT @eduinnovation: Tell Professional Learning Communities: learning is the work, collaboration is means, but RESULTS is goal. #lrnchat
9:50:10 pm Quinnovator: focus on performance, measure performance outcomes. Learning’s a tool that we need to enable, in all forms. #lrnchat
9:50:16 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish Learners already are using it. We have a hard time fitting it into Industrial Age processes #lrnchat
9:50:19 pm dwilkinsnh: @KoreenOlbrish I use existing examples with real ROI — Ace Hardware, Caterpillar, Cisco, Ford and a few others… #lrnchat
9:50:19 pm Dave_Ferguson: The training/learning/performance journey is a major cultural shift. Technophiles often blind to its difficulty. #lrnchat
9:50:28 pm mizminh: self- assessment #lrnchat
9:50:32 pm AnneBB: RT@hjarche Social learning mindset needed as complexity increases, we need better faster feedback loops-hierarchies can’t handle it #lrnchat
9:50:37 pm cammybean: @KoreenOlbrish I think individuals need to see the value in social learning and embrace it..then, perhaps, the orgs will. #lrnchat.
9:50:38 pm chrisstjohn: Time to log off. This has been a great lrnchat! Good evening to all. #lrnchat
9:50:47 pm bschlenker: I’d like to nominate @cammybean for tonight’s #lrnchathero award. Can I get a second? #lrnchat
9:50:49 pm weisblatt: So leave people alone to learn the way they will and just measure the impact. How do you infuence what is being learned? #lrnchat
9:50:52 pm jsuzcampos: RT @Quinnovator: focus on performance, measure performance outcomes. Learnings a tool that we need to enable, in all forms. #lrnchat
9:50:53 pm roninchef: @tonya_simmons It was the topmost farm activity in my mind. Mucking stalls a close second:) #lrnchat
9:50:55 pm hjarche: @moehlert splainin’ is that results are not direct – stop thinking like machines & more like organisms #lrnchat
9:51:01 pm mglazer: About the Corporate Immune System http://is.gd/3Rflf #lrnchat
9:51:02 pm tonya_simmons: but if the LMS could record more than just a test score, it would be more useful #lrnchat
9:51:03 pm dpeter: RT @eduinnovation: Tell Professional Learning Communities: learning is the work, collaboration is the means, RESULTS is the goal. #lrnchat
9:51:09 pm ThomasStone: ancient = pre-internet RT @hjarche: courses are an ancient artifact of when information was scarce & connections were few #lrnchat
9:51:14 pm marciamarcia: Love that twist on words RT @dpeter Or is learning AFFECTive? #lrnchat
9:51:17 pm kasey428: @jsuzcampos Dress for success! #lrnchat
9:51:25 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
9:51:37 pm media1der: “course” is artifact of event thinking around learning. Social learning is changing – learning no longer an event but a process. #lrnchat
9:51:37 pm britz: @cammybean sorry what did you say? I was running some analytics on lrnchat #lrnchat
9:51:46 pm Quinnovator: @bdieu that we’re subversive malcontents? #lrnchat
9:51:49 pm dwilkinsnh: @odguru My advice? Scare the crap out of them that their competitors will get there first and eat their cheese. #lrnchat
9:51:50 pm moehlert: @hjarche Would you like an “AMEN” or a “WITNESS”? #lrnchat
9:51:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: @cammybean don’t you think they see the value, tho…to your point…maybe they just don’t see how much they leverage it? #lrnchat
9:51:54 pm cammybean: @bschlenker Haha. You’re just saying that cuz of the sick baby I’m lying next to…#lrnchat
9:51:55 pm jwillensky: RT @bschlenker: I’d like to nominate @cammybean for tonight’s #lrnchathero award. Can I get a second? #lrnchat <– I second.
9:51:57 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jsuzcampos: @JaneBozarth You knows these clients, don’t you Jane? They love brownies and well-dressed trainers. #lrnchat
9:52:00 pm kelly_smith01: RT @marciamarcia: Love that twist on words RT @dpeter Or is learning AFFECTive? #lrnchat
9:52:03 pm eduinnovation: If you know why u are learning something then you can achieve depth of understanding and wisdom of application. Needs 2 b explicit. #lrnchat
9:52:06 pm wlonline: @KoreenOlbrish depending on dimensions of social learning – some forms more acceptables, other perhaps less so #lrnchat
9:52:12 pm JaneBozarth: @jsuzcampos And pretty slides. #lrnchat
9:52:20 pm mrch0mp3rs: @KoreenOlbrish let’s talk at devlearn. I think I have a success story brewing. Maybe. #lrnchat
9:52:21 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jsuzcampos Yes. ROI = biz payback, skews to the hard numbers. Quality of learning, much softer. #lrnchat
9:52:28 pm dpeter: RT @marciamarcia Love that twist on words RT @dpeter Or is learning AFFECTive? #lrnchat – Well?
9:52:37 pm dwilkinsnh: @odguru My other advice? Use social media stories – there are hundreds of these, dozens of which have real ROI and that’s known. #lrnchat
9:52:39 pm media1der: RT @ThomasStone: ancient = pre-internet RT so what now? #lrnchat
9:54:10 pm tonya_simmons: we have a record/playback system that records all responses and reports them in the LMS – it gives an idea of the lrning process #lrnchat
9:54:12 pm ThomasStone: @cammybean I think that’s mostly because leaders don’t explain the *value* of measuring for the business. People like explanations #lrnchat
9:54:14 pm taeberhart: RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
9:54:27 pm Erick1970: RT @JoanVinallCox: #lrnchat If people learn to reflect on own learning, they get better at it. Blogging is a way to reflect, so is chatting
9:54:27 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @Quinnovator: focus on performance, measure performance outcomes. Learning’s a tool that we need to enable, in all forms. #lrnchat
9:54:32 pm ajeanne: @JaneBozarth Yes! Social learning isn’t new. #lrnchat
9:54:34 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning agent provocateur, strategic gun-for-hire, looking for more chances to push performance technology envelope #lrnchat
9:54:43 pm KoreenOlbrish: @dwilkinsnh Its new to instructional designers. SAD. #lrnchat
9:54:44 pm jsuzcampos: Salty or not @hjarche hits back-to-back homeruns: Results are not direct – stop thinking like machines and more like organisms #lrnchat
9:54:45 pm media1der: RT @dwilkinsnh: @odguru We act like “social” in the enterprise is new. <– The TOOLS are new #lrnchat
9:54:46 pm teachernz: @JaneBozarth Yes, but not on such a global scale #lrnchat
9:54:51 pm ranig2u: RT @Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: results are not direct – stop thinking like machines and more like organisms #lrnchat
9:54:53 pm moehlert: @lrnchat Mark Oehlert here. Contrarian Anthropologist, learner, virtual worlds, SoMe dude- help here: http://tinyurl.com/nlvudl #lrnchat
9:55:11 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean Where have YOU worked where upper mgmt thinks it’s a good idea to leave people alone & watch results? #lrnchat
9:55:24 pm odguru: @dwilkinsnh I have heard some of the ROI stories. Does anyone have new compelling stories? #lrnchat
9:55:34 pm Priaak: RT @Quinnovator RT @hjarche: results are not direct – stop thinking like machines and more like organisms #lrnchat
9:55:38 pm weisblatt: Running an LMS is like sorting pebbles in an avalanche #lrnchat
9:55:41 pm PearlFlipper: RT @media1der: RT @dwilkinsnh: @odguru We act like “social” in the enterprise is new. <– The TOOLS are new #lrnchat
9:55:43 pm JaneBozarth: Raleigh, NC. Trainer, ID, author. Lone, feral, rabid learner. Love Twitter. Love ##lrnchat
9:55:43 pm mpetersell: Mike Petersell in CT Thanks My first chat was very interesting #lrnchat
9:55:45 pm Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers, kingston, on…will review transcript to learn more about how this chat will impact my performance for next week. #lrnchat
9:55:46 pm Erick1970: @JaneBozarth Really – social learning just got repackaged as “on-the-job” training. SoMe helps unleash it. #lrnchat
9:55:46 pm Quinnovator: @oxala75 heck, you don’t need it on your biz card, you live it and breath it, brother #lrnchat
9:55:47 pm cammybean: Does anyone know the date the first LMS appeared? #lrnchat
9:55:48 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith Near Dallas, Texas I will need the transcript this week I will read it @ Starbucks to accomplish social learning #lrnchat
9:56:01 pm mizminh: self-assessment #lrnchat
9:56:02 pm teachernz: How many people in this lrncht? Could this have happened 5 or 10 years ago? #lrnchat
9:56:12 pm richardsheehy: Richard Sheehy signing off. thnx again for the thought provoking conversations. Goodnight from Gray Court SC. #lrnchat
9:56:12 pm moehlert: @PearlFlipper #lrnchat Next you’ll get ALL CRAZY and say learning happened BEFORE ISD!
9:56:27 pm planetrussell: Q3 convo in re measurement of learning recalls ones w/ PR, SoMe colleagues. ROI? Some hard (quantitative), some soft (qualitative.) #lrnchat
9:56:31 pm tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, elearning production designer, Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames IA #lrnchat
9:56:33 pm KoreenOlbrish: Koreen Olbrish, Tandem Learning head mistress, new office today, new PM hired today…life is good. #lrnchat
9:56:41 pm hjarche: I haven’t taken a formal course in over a decade & have learned more socially & online than I did in the previous 40 yrs #lrnchat
9:56:50 pm ajeanne: It’s not new: Bandura’s “Social Learning” = people learn from one another: observation, imitation, & modeling. http://bit.ly/Tp5H9 #lrnchat
9:56:53 pm ThomasStone: RT @dwilkinsnh: @odguru My advice? Scare the crap out of them that their competitors will get there first and eat their cheese. #lrnchat
9:56:55 pm Merkader: Just an ordinary elementary school teacher here. #lrnchat
9:56:55 pm wlonline: RT @cammybean: Does anyone know the date the first LMS appeared? #lrnchat
9:56:57 pm moehlert: @cammybean June 1966? (Just guessing that would be 6/66)😉 #lrnchat
9:57:01 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean could you argue that PLATO (the electronic one) was an early LMS? Everyone loved, no one bought. #lrnchat
9:57:03 pm jsuzcampos: RT @moehlert: @PearlFlipper Next youll get ALL CRAZY and say learning happened BEFORE ISD! #lrnchat
9:57:08 pm cammybean: @Dave_Ferguson I have ALWAYS worked at small companies. I’ve never been subject to an LMS. #lrnchat
9:57:11 pm teachernz: RT @kelly_smith01: I will need the transcript this week I will read it @ Starbucks to accomplish social learning #lrnchat
9:57:11 pm NahumG: RT @moehlert #lrnchat Let me clarify-when I c “social”-I think “cultural” & none of us can hide fr our experiences-hence all lrng is social
9:57:18 pm oxala75: @Quinnovator thanks🙂 still, it’s probably fair that i warn new employees. #lrnchat
9:57:18 pm SueSchnorr: Sue Schnorr, upstate NY; signing off; will catch you all next week #lrnchat
9:57:18 pm PearlFlipper: Qwrap) Late arriving part time Edtec teacher wishing I was back in San Diego, but glad to chime in with you smart #lrnchat ters each week!
9:57:18 pm ranig2u: rani gill. moved out of CorpEd consulting & looking for a new home. great session! #lrnchat
9:57:23 pm dwilkinsnh: @media1der Soc tools aren’t new either. Marcom has been doing blogs, ratings, soc media for years. We’re late to the party… ; ) #lrnchat
9:57:27 pm Dave_Ferguson: @teachernz Last week 69 active contributors, nearly 900 items. This week, more items. #lrnchat
9:57:27 pm kelly_smith01: RT @hjarche: I havent taken a formal course in over a decade & have learned more socially & online than I did in previous 40 yrs #lrnchat
9:57:30 pm carmean: Colleen Carmean, knowledge architect at ASU and mean, green learning machine. Thanks all. G’Night. #lrnchat
9:57:33 pm media1der: Chris Willis the antichrist indeed😉 #lrnchat
9:58:42 pm mglazer: @odguru Asked a CFO who was a SME on a training course if he believed in “give me $1 for lrn and I give u $2 back” we both laughed #lrnchat
9:58:43 pm jsuzcampos: Jeannette Campos, with appreciation and thanks for your great minds. Signing off from Southern New Hampshire. #lrnchat
9:58:47 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @cammybean: Does anyone know the date the first LMS appeared? #lrnchat WebCT mid90s
9:58:49 pm JaneBozarth: RT @moehlert: @PearlFlipper Next youll get ALL CRAZY and say learning happened BEFORE ISD! #lrnchat
9:59:00 pm kelly_smith01: Turning in and turning off social self #lrnchat
9:59:01 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean I’m harsh on LMSs in general. It’s like the Matrix operated by the Soviet division of motor vehicles. #lrnchat
9:59:01 pm oxala75: craig wiggins, alexandria, VA. former encyclopedia browser. #lrnchat
9:59:13 pm Quinnovator: Reflection, yes! PRT @JoanVinallCox: #lrnchat Blogging is a way to reflect, so is chatting about stuff
9:59:30 pm moehlert: RT @marciamarcia: This #lrnchat has met my highest hopes for how we can learn w/social media. Call that whatever the *&^% you want.
9:59:34 pm Erick1970: RT @PearlFlipper Didn’t it??? RT @moehlert @PearlFlipper Next youll get ALL CRAZY and say learning happened BEFORE ISD! #lrnchat
9:59:39 pm bdieu: @Quinnovator #lrnchat just came out of meeting trying to pass on the same message discussed here to be met with blank stares: gap’s enormous
9:59:41 pm wlonline: Thanks everyone! There’s still lingering debate over “social learning” but we’ll tease it out next round(s) #lrnchat
9:59:49 pm moehlert: @Dave_Ferguson Its the Panopticon baby! #lrnchat
9:59:53 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, DC area, doing my best to help US government employees perform better on the job. #lrnchat
10:00:00 pm media1der: RT @dwilkinsnh: @media1der Marcom doing blogs, ratings, soc media for years. I want 2 B an encyclopedia salesman when I grow up #lrnchat
10:01:08 pm marciamarcia: Keep “learning socially” from being rejectable thing by focusing on lrning as natural part of work SoMe augments #lrnchat
10:01:13 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls remember to submit Qs & theme ideas for upcoming chats at http://sn.im/lrnchat. See u next week!
10:01:20 pm media1der: Night, all! I’m on a personal mission to stamp out the “gap analysis!”🙂 #lrnchat
10:01:20 pm davegray: @hjarche I have learned more in the last 2 years than I did in the previous 10 (& that includes grad school) #lrnchat (via @kasey428)
10:01:33 pm mglazer: enjoyed this week’s #lrnchat. thanks, everyone.
10:01:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: @bdieu Got to start where they are. Do you know Mager’s What Every Mgr Should Know about Training? (smuggle in perf improvement) #lrnchat
10:01:37 pm cammybean: Cammy Bean, Boston area, FT working mom of 3 sick kids!, learning through/in/around all the cracks of life #lrnchat
10:01:58 pm Quinnovator: g’night all, and thanks again for a great #lrnchat I think I’m addicted!
10:02:06 pm Dave_Ferguson: @ajeanne always great to see you, Jeanne #lrnchat
10:02:12 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator I know a few stories… ; ) Maybe I’ll spend the next few weeks adding some more. Seems like we all still need them. #lrnchat
10:02:12 pm Merkader: Trying to keep up with a conversation over twitter is not easy! #lrnchat
10:02:19 pm mizminh: interesting session thanx folx – freelance generalist signing off #lrnchat
10:02:19 pm JaneBozarth: @moehlert Foucault yourself! I blogged about the Panopticon awhile back. #lrnchat
10:02:22 pm teachernz: Thanks lrnchat… brain activated for the foreseeable future.. hope i can get in here again sometime🙂 #lrnchat
10:02:24 pm hjarche: @davegray Hi Dave🙂 #lrnchat
10:02:26 pm Erick1970: Glad I could join the tail-end of #lrnchat tonight. Erick from Northwest Arkansas, Org. Effectiveness Consultant/Analyst
10:02:30 pm Quinnovator: @bdieu sympathies. Yes, was at CLO Symposium w/ @jaycross and saw way too much of it #lrnchat
10:02:33 pm KoreenOlbrish: there was a decided lack of drinking proclamations tonight…did we all do this sober? how is that social?🙂 #lrnchat
10:02:34 pm odguru: @mglazer ya. GM had valid points re:the company rests on backs of operators.Hated to spend $$. Me:”Already been paid, so now what?” #Lrnchat
10:02:50 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Thanks all! You’re all silly smart and wicked cool!
10:02:51 pm Quinnovator: RT @marciamarcia: This #lrnchat has met my highest hopes for how we can learn w/social media. Call that whatever the *&^% you want.
10:03:10 pm bschlenker: In the immortal words of Geddy Lee – “Thank you very much…GOOD NIGHT!” #lrnchat
10:03:19 pm Dave_Ferguson: @hjarche Hi, Dave. Hi, Harold. #lrnchat
10:03:22 pm hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish not me😉 #lrnchat
10:03:37 pm Dave_Ferguson: @KoreenOlbrish No; some of us don’t make our drinks that social. #lrnchat
10:03:40 pm dwilkinsnh: David Wilkins, Executive Director of Learn.com — signing off. Awesome time as always. Great comments tonight from everyone. #lrnchat
10:04:14 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @Merkader: Trying to keep up with a conversation over twitter is not easy! #lrnchat Takes a while to learn – but for sure is social!
10:04:17 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth Back at ya! But the Panopticon was Jeremy Bentham no? BTW, that’s prob the most that word has EVER appeared on Twitter #lrnchat
10:04:19 pm davegray: Keep “learning socially” from being rejectable thing by focusing on lrning as natural part of work SoMe augments #lrnchat (rt @marciamarcia)
10:04:20 pm Erick1970: RT @marciamarcia: Keep “learning socially” from being rejectable thing by focusing on lrning as natural part of work SoMe augments #lrnchat
10:04:30 pm KoreenOlbrish: Good night, my learning friends…awesome and thought-provoking as always #lrnchat

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