Transcript of #lrnchat September 3 2009

Thanks to C.Cate.Taylor, we now have the full transcript, just with a switch in time signatures at about 7:41/5:41:

7:30 pm KoreenOlbrish: well HELLOOOO there! it’s 830, right? let’s do this thing… #lrnchat
7:30 pm Quinnovator: welcome all new and familiar #lrnchat folks!
7:30 pm MariaDroujkova: #lrnchat is starting. Be warned about traffic, be there, etc.
7:30 pm jmarrapodi: About to participate in #lrnchat for next 90 minutes. Sorry for the 1/2 conversations those of you not on with us.
7:31 pm jsuzcampos: looking forward ot many #lrnchat tweets in the next 90 minutes
7:31 pm Quinnovator: Lagunitas IPA in hand (and note: http://lrnchatdrinkinggame.wikispaces.com/ ) #lrnchat
7:31 pm jsuzcampos: #lrnchat
7:31 pm JaneBozarth: Hey #lrnchat -ters
7:31 pm JaneBozarth: See Jane use her hashtag #lrnchat
7:31 pm gminks: I have decaffeinated earl grey tonight. #lrnchat
7:31 pm gminks: nice! RT @JaneBozarth: See Jane use her hashtag #lrnchat
7:32 pm Quinnovator: @DrSusan heck, it’s too hard to totally track #lrnchat, let alone anything else!
7:32 pm jmarrapodi: Hello from Lovely Providence, RI. Jean Marrapodi here. #lrnchat
7:32 pm xpconcept: Evenin’ #lrnchat
7:32 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: See Jane use her hashtag #lrnchat
7:32 pm kellygarber: Hi Jane, avatar looks just like you! #lrnchat🙂
7:32 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How?ve you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
7:32 pm andyjanning: @JaneBozarth first #lrnchat for me looking fwd to it
7:32 pm carmean: Th PM RT @Quinnovator: for the next 1.5 hour, will be in #lrnchat, so excuse the number of tweets. Better yet, join us! #lrnchat
7:32 pm kelly_smith01: Run Jane Run #lrnchat #lrnchat
7:32 pm bearclau: Claudine here from NJ. Instructional Designer. Craving milk and oreos. #lrnchat
7:32 pm ThomasStone: ditto RT @Quinnovator: for the next 1.5 hour, will be in #lrnchat, so excuse the number of tweets. Better yet, join us! #lrnchat
7:33 pm tgrevatt: Evening lrchatters. Greetings from Ottawa. #lrnchat
7:33 pm bschlenker: @JaneBozarth Hi Jane! Love the new avatar! #lrnchat
7:33 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
7:33 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
7:33 pm JaneBozarth: @kellygarber Yes thanks I designed her. You can’t see it here but she’s holding an iPhone! #lrnchat
7:33 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat I’ve been awesome. Thx for asking Lrnchat!
7:33 pm Quinnovator: pretty soon our auto #lrnchat bot will start spewing the rules, but we can go ahead and introduce ourselves
7:33 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
7:33 pm kelly_smith01: Hi from Plano, TX #lrnchat
7:34 pm alexismac: #lrnchat Alexis MacMillan, using ID to create interactive learning in a whole bunch of exciting areas. Mission Central: Edmonton Canada #yeg
7:34 pm JaneBozarth: @bschlenker Thank you. I figured if @moehlert could go all Brad Pitt then I could go all South Park. #lrnchat
7:34 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @Quinnovator: for the next 90 min will b in #lrnchat, so excuse the # of tweets. Better yet, join us! (apologies in advance) #lrnchat
7:34 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, Walnut Creek CA, learning experience design gun-for-hire, into fun, tech, wisdom, meta-cog, etc #lrnchat
7:34 pm xpconcept: Steve Flowers – Newport News / Yorktown, VA. Learning mediation strategy / tech guy. #lrnchat
7:35 pm jsuzcampos: jeannette campos, died-in-the-wool ISD from new hampshire, grad instructor, small business owner. #lrnchat
7:35 pm cindyhugg: RT @Quinnovator: for the next 90 min will b in #lrnchat, so excuse the # of tweets. Better yet, join us! (apologies in advance) #lrnchat
7:35 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Mark Oehlert. Innovation Evangelist at Defense Acquisition University. Social Media and Virtual Worlds. Outside Wash DC
7:35 pm MariaDroujkova: Q0 from Cary, NC and the nets. Doing math projects: Math 2.0 interest group, Math Clubs, Natural Math site, etc. #lrnchat
7:35 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, Client Engagement Mgr, DC area. ID, KM, cognitive science and performance support. #lrnchat
7:35 pm center4EduPunx: #lrnchat Kae from Colorado instructional designer – serious games, virtual worlds, immersion, engagement & waiting 4 my invite 2 blue mars.
7:35 pm KoreenOlbrish: Intro time! Koreen Olbrish, Philly-ish, CEO-type, likes to talk a lot (about learning, not in general…ok, maybe in general) #lrnchat
7:35 pm gminks: I’m Gina, outside Boston, grad student doing hw right now (planning analysis for my HPT class), I design technical courses for #emc #lrnchat
7:35 pm Mary_a_Myers: hi ya from kingston ontario…mary is my name; learning is my game. #lrnchat #lrnchat
7:35 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
7:35 pm RayJimenez: Hi all. Ray Jimenez @rayjimenez Pasadena, eLearning, Chunking Learning, http://www.simplifyel.com #lrnchat
7:35 pm atsc: Andrew Chambers, Hi from University of New South Wales, Sydney. Focus on ed devpt in an online postgrad business masters program… #lrnchat
7:35 pm roninchef: Mason Masteka Elearning Developer and Open Source advocate in Portland Maine. Hello friends! #lrnchat
7:35 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you?re talking about so they can chime in.
7:35 pm andyjanning: #lrnchat Andy Janning, Indy, looking to find a way to revolutionize training
7:35 pm carmean: Hi all. Colleen Carmean, Phoenix, AZ. Knowledge Architect at AZ State University. #lrnchat
7:35 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on #lrnchat topic. New question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
7:35 pm jwillensky: Hi #lrnchat . Good evening from Phoenix, AZ. Jason Willensky — Instructional Designer. Independent consultant.
7:35 pm dbolen: Don Bolen, ATL learnin’ designer/project manager #lrnchat
7:35 pm NorthMetroSBDC: Hello #lrnchat, Chris Luchs in Westminster Colorado. Entrepreneurial training and business consulting.
7:36 pm wlonline: WL Wong, ICT, University, Sydney #lrnchat
7:36 pm JaneBozarth: Raleigh: ID-er, rainer, positive deviant, feral learner, author. And as ruler of Planet Jane I keep celebs alive on Thurdays.#lrnchat
7:36 pm KoreenOlbrish: @roninchef love “open source advocate”–i hope that’s your title😉 #lrnchat
7:36 pm cindyhugg: Hi – Its Cindy from Raleigh NC. Will have divided attn during tonight’s #lrnchat.
7:36 pm moehlert: @jaycross #lrnchat Well hey Jay!🙂 Good to ‘see’ you here man.
7:36 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho
7:36 pm kelly_smith01: instructional designer/training analyst/covert and overt looking to blend project management and ISD #lrnchat
7:36 pm tgrevatt: Treena from Ottawa, just wrapped up a few yrs as prod mgr in a learning games startup. Working on a SoMe app – alpha soon! #lrnchat
7:37 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat Dang. I forgot I was feral.
7:37 pm mobilemind: Tom King; Seattle, WA; Software Evangelist, Instructional Designer into computer technology & gadgets in general #lrnchat
7:37 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you?re talking about so they can chime in.
7:37 pm cammybean: Cammy Bean. Boston area. ID by design or chance? Still wrangling 3 kids to bed. #lrnchat
7:37 pm rpannoni: Rob Pannoni – consultant for enterprise learning governance, technology and strategy, Silicon Valley. #lrnchat
7:37 pm JaneBozarth: @cindyhugg Yeah that never happens here… #lrnchat
7:37 pm lrnchat: 6) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com, http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well.
7:37 pm kellygarber: evening #lrnchat – freelance ID – Florida
7:37 pm MariaDroujkova: #lrnchat Three RTP, NC people here… at least? @cindyhugg, @JaneBozarth and me.
7:37 pm KoreenOlbrish: lovin’ seeing the new faces around here…and the familiar ones too🙂 welcome all! #lrnchat
7:38 pm charlespalmer: Charles Palmer, Harrisburg University, Entertainment and Learning Technologist #lrnchat Hello all… #lrnchat
7:38 pm JaneBozarth: My text suddenly resized to HUGE and @jaycross ‘s photo has taken on mythic proportions #lrnchat
7:38 pm jsuzcampos: @cammybean i’m letting the kids watch the #redsox easier than putting them to bed! #lrnchat
7:38 pm jwillensky: Formidable lineup this evening. #lrnchat
7:38 pm xpconcept: << resto, feral, sometimes boomkin. (obscure wow – delightmare – reference) #lrnchat
7:38 pm lrnchat: 7) 5 min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
7:38 pm gminks: ditto!! RT @KoreenOlbrish: lovin seeing the new faces around here…and the familiar ones too🙂 welcome all! #lrnchat
7:38 pm ThomasStone: Product Design Architect from Element K, in Rochester, New York. #lrnchat
7:38 pm cindyhugg: @andyjanning and other newcomers – welcome to #lrnchat!
7:38 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: 6) Remember to include #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com, http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well.
7:38 pm kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Tonight’s #lrnchat is on the state of instructional design. Please join us! http://sn.im/lrnchat
7:39 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: 7) 5 min before end, tell us if you need anything from other #lrnchat participants. Reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
7:39 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @jaycross Indeed. Can you see the fires all the way up there?😉
7:39 pm andyjanning: @cindyhugg very excited for the #lrnchat goodness! Now, let’s blow up the training world!
7:39 pm JaneBozarth: RT @kellygarber: RT @lrnchat: Tonight’s #lrnchat is on the state of instructional design. Please join us! NOW!
7:39 pm MariaDroujkova: @xpconcept MM/BM… though not raiding lately #lrnchat
7:40 pm bschlenker: Let me try this again with hashtag – #lrnchat
7:40 pm roninchef: @xpconcept Bringing feral back! #lrnchat
7:40 pm RayJimenez: I am close to Fires in Los Angeles, adbout 5 miles.. away.. air is so bad.. @moehlert #lrnchat #lrnchat
7:40 pm oxala75: am i late? #lrnchat
7:40 pm NorthMetroSBDC: @xpconcept Boomkin in Co as well. :0-) #lrnchat
7:40 pm mbogle: As much as I want to jump in on #lrnchat today I’ve got waaaaay too much to do at the moment. Perhaps next time…
7:40 pm JaneBozarth: @bschlenker I have a hashtag deficit. Maybe we can start a support group. #lrnchat
7:41 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome, also check out @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
7:41 pm bschlenker: I give up – switching to tweetchat like everyone else… #lrnchat
7:41 pm cindyhugg: Any others? RT @MariaDroujkova: #lrnchat Three RTP, NC people here… at least? @cindyhugg, @JaneBozarth.
7:41 pm jmarrapodi: @oxala75 Not really. Just doing intros. Hiya #lrnchat
7:41 pm gminks: RT @roninchef: @xpconcept Bringing feral back! #lrnchat
7:41 pm moehlert: @oxala75 #lrnchat Right on time brother. 5:41:37 pm wlonline: @oxala75 Just started with intros, etc #lrnchat

Time Change

5:41:40 pm moehlert: @RayJimenez #lrnchat I heard someone say it was like God was smoking.
5:41:40 pm gminks: @mbogle hey I’m doing homework and doing #lrnchat
5:41:49 pm carmean: @oxala75 Right on time. #lrnchat
5:41:50 pm LorettaDonovan: @bschlenker Nice going . . . #lrnchat
5:41:51 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth @bschlenker you need an intervention! #lrnchat
5:42:05 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat Frost mage here – but for the Horde!
5:42:11 pm gminks: @lrnchat I have learned that yes, I really am more technical than most people. #lrnchat
5:42:23 pm wlonline: @mbogle Come in for a quick dip! #lrnchat
5:42:33 pm RayJimenez: never ending learning – #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:42:34 pm avron: Good evening all. #lrnchat
5:42:39 pm carmean: Oh no. We’ve gone feral again? RT @gminks: RT @roninchef: @xpconcept Bringing feral back! #lrnchat
5:42:50 pm JaneBozarth: @RayJiminez Was in fires in Montana once. You don’t know what that’s like till you’ve been there. So hard to breathe..#lrnchat
5:42:58 pm moehlert: @bschlenker #lrnchat Dude, I mix TweetDeck and iTweet for this.
5:43:04 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat There may be a group educators forming in Metaplace.
5:43:11 pm kasey428: Learned that having inhouse legal counsel can really mess up a task order. #lrnchat
5:43:19 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator @bschlenker And a team of consultants! #lrnchat
5:43:20 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth hi, I’m Jane, and I forget to use hashtags…. #lrnchat
5:43:22 pm NorthMetroSBDC: I learned about #lrnchat today and looking forward to a great discussion.
5:43:29 pm roninchef: Q0 Started dabbling with Blender 3d this week. I am a hotkey geek and Blender does more than deliver! And it is free and open. #lrnchat
5:43:33 pm andyjanning: #lrnchat that it’s good to remind folks of their successes
5:43:40 pm JaneBozarth: I was feral before feral was cool #lrnchat
5:43:40 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q0 (weekly #lrnchat welcome, also see @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fab, what have you learned this week?
5:43:42 pm butwait: @oxala75 You’re right on time, Craig!🙂 #lrnchat
5:43:43 pm gminks: RT @kzenovka: #lrnchat Frost mage here – but for the Horde! #lrnchat
5:43:44 pm bearclau: Q0. I learned that sometimes I DO know what I’m talking about. #lrnchat
5:43:51 pm JaneBozarth: LOL RT @kasey428: Learned that having inhouse legal counsel can really mess up a task order. #lrnchat
5:43:51 pm RayJimenez: @JaneBozarth Jane. Have difficulty sleeping for a week now. #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:43:51 pm bschlenker: Q0) I learned that blogs are alive and well – with thriving commentversations #lrnchat
5:44:00 pm jwillensky: TweetGrid is a well-oiled machine this evening. #lrnchat
5:44:00 pm MariaDroujkova: Q0 Today, I learned how to remove objects to my bag in Opensim, but not how to delete… yet. I have 10 cubes in my inventory #lrnchat
5:44:08 pm JaneBozarth: RT @bearclau: Q0. I learned that sometimes I DO know what I’m talking about. #lrnchat
5:44:14 pm cindyhugg: Q0 #lrnchat Today I was reminded that my definition of learning doesn’t match others definition of learning. So many variations of it!
5:44:19 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q0) i learned i have the opportunity to help change the world. also there are many ways to distract a yellowjacket during lunch… #lrnchat
5:44:23 pm roninchef: @moehlert I use Tweetdeck for cleanup after we’re done. I find it jams up Firefox. #lrnchat
5:44:27 pm kasey428: Did anyone besides me see Brent with Leo last night? #lrnchat
5:44:27 pm xpconcept: @roninchef – try Sketchup for modeling task focus. Shorter ramp. Blender’s damn good for a free tool tho. #lrnchat
5:44:32 pm MariaDroujkova: @gminks For the Horde! #lrnchat
5:44:40 pm alexismac: I learned that meetings are much livelier when your client serves popcorn at an eLearning program unveiling! #lrnchat
5:44:44 pm JaneBozarth: Q0 I (re)learned that sometimes when you really struggle for an answer, stop and look at what’s in front of you. #lrnchat
5:44:54 pm RayJimenez: Learned – managing projects is like managing kids.. running around. #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:45:00 pm JaneBozarth: Q0 I also learned that I am always having to re-learn things… #lrnchat
5:45:02 pm dbolen: Q0 built and delivered a prezi last night (prezi.com) #lrnchat
5:45:09 pm rpannoni: I learned that inheritance applies in CSS, except when it doesn’t. #lrnchat
5:45:09 pm gminks: don’t jinx us man RT @jwillensky: TweetGrid is a well-oiled machine this evening. #lrnchat
5:45:15 pm everyselearning: I’m a #lrnchat newbee first timer. Hi all!
5:45:16 pm Spydeesense: SMarcus from Tandem learning zombie & on only for short while 2nite BRAINS #lrnchat
5:45:21 pm kelly_smith01: Rereading “From Training Performance to Performance #lrnchat
5:45:21 pm MariaDroujkova: @kzenovka What’s Metaplace? #lrnchat
5:45:30 pm wlonline: Q0 I learned that some people want to use specifc tools/technologies to do “specific” things #lrnchat
5:45:33 pm bschlenker: RT @kasey428: Did anyone besides me see Brent with Leo last night?  #lrnchat
5:51:49 pm cindyhugg: This is also answer to Q1: RT @mobilemind: Q0: A lot of “learning” isn’t designed, it’s collected info that gets called training #lrnchat
5:51:54 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 No catalysts not new; some new technologies have exacerbated the problems, though #lrnchat
5:51:57 pm kellygarber: Q1 IMO – two fold. 1. client/boss doesn’t know the difference 2. time #lrnchat
5:52:01 pm alexismac: Q1 demand for rapid development – may be able to template programming, but not creativity and solid design #lrnchat
5:52:05 pm dbolen: RT @rpannoni: Good design isnt a skill to be learned, its a world view. Not every practitioner gets it. #lrnchat
5:52:12 pm jmarrapodi: RT Q1) What’s keeping people from creating good instructional design (ID)? Are these catalysts new? #lrnchat
5:52:14 pm Quinnovator: @bearclau why local mentors? we have some tech… #lrnchat
5:52:22 pm RayJimenez: @Quinnovator Q1 – should the question needed to be asked? May be there is another question. #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:52:27 pm KoreenOlbrish: All of the above? RT @randomdazzle: @KoreenOlbrish Is “what looks good” a question of experience, experiment, or science? #lrnchat
5:52:37 pm xpconcept: @Quinnovator – also awesome. What IS ID? So many are misused as catchalls or writers when they are pos’nd to be architects. #lrnchat
5:52:37 pm jsuzcampos: ISD is often engaged too late … “fix this with a learning solution” not “help us understand the problem and our options.” #lrnchat
5:52:38 pm oxala75: @everyselearning i use Tweetdeck, but using the link that @jmarrapodi suggested is possibly easiest #lrnchat
5:52:54 pm RayJimenez: Q1 ISD needs new question.. #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:52:56 pm bschlenker: @everyselearning I’m finding tweetchat.com to be the best way to view #lrnchat – and not miss adding the hashtag😉 #lrnchat
5:53:01 pm alexismac: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What’s keeping people from creating good instructional design (ID)? Are these catalysts new? #lrnchat
5:53:04 pm carmean: @JaneBozarth Technologies created problems, but also solved problems of ‘good’ ID, no? #lrnchat
5:53:05 pm butwait: @PhilMcCreight Storytelling is HUGE. Seems almost hard-wired. Watch people lean in after you say, “I want to tell you a story”… #lrnchat
5:53:07 pm moehlert: @Stevehoward999 #lrnchat So that’s “good” from ID’ers view? Does that differ from “good” from learner’s POV?
5:53:23 pm Quinnovator: @everyselearning I use tweetdeck, use a search on ‘#lrnchat’ to create a separate column
5:53:24 pm NorthMetroSBDC: Q1 most instruction is on demand and just in time (JIT) #lrnchat
5:53:28 pm roninchef: Q1 Fear of failure, fear of parameters and not knowing the best way to reach the audience. #lrnchat
5:53:29 pm oxala75: @alexismac ugh. i hate to admit it, but this is starting to feel true. #lrnchat
5:53:31 pm LearnNuggets: Bummer! Missing #lrnchat tonight. 6th grade Science homework takes precedence! Look forward to reading the transcript
5:53:38 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat Q1 – new catalyst – no, shortcuts and JIT devotion not new. Not talking about rapid prototyping instead no prototyping.
5:53:42 pm xpconcept: ISD can mean one flavor of solution to an organization. Can tie hands and prevent REAL solutions. #lrnchat
5:53:48 pm jmarrapodi: Q1) Lack of time to complete good projects, people who are answering requests without examining the system for root causes #lrnchat
5:53:59 pm jsuzcampos: Re: Question of “what looks good”. IMHO, a blend of learned technical skill and natural creative artistry. Ya, I *LOVE* isd!!! #lrnchat
5:54:14 pm kelly_smith01: I have a lrnchat and mlearning column on my twdeck #lrnchat
5:54:14 pm RayJimenez: RT @moehlert Q1 – huge difference.. but designers have gone too deep into corporate lives.. they forgot their customers #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:54:15 pm kellygarber: I 2nd that motion …RT @JaneBozarth: Q1 No catalysts not new; some new technologies have exacerbated the problems, though #lrnchat
5:54:17 pm mobilemind: Q0: another issue- much training is about confirming it was delivered, not that it was learned, assimilated. ISD not= delivery #lrnchat
5:54:19 pm bearclau: @xpconcept i have a degree in ID, but just started in career. Not sure if i’m doing it right. I see bad stuff, but where’s the good #lrnchat
5:54:22 pm oxala75: @hjarche i wish. do hate being on the D, wishing i’d gotten a real crack at the A. #lrnchat
5:54:23 pm Erick1970: 1) Barriers: the way it is done (in this course you will learn…), no needs analysis, creative barriers, poor business alignment. #lrnchat
5:54:24 pm Mary_a_Myers: Q1: it’s like ppl get caught between theory and practice…and don’t find a balance that works. #lrnchat
5:54:33 pm xpconcept: Q1) Nobody… evaluates… Few understand or know how to establish appropriate measures. #lrnchat
5:54:34 pm roninchef: RT @lrnchat: Q1) Whats keeping people from creating good instructional design (ID)? Are these catalysts new? #lrnchat
5:54:39 pm kasey428: @Quinnovator, People ask me, “what is instructional design?” I explain as best as I can & there is still confusion #lrnchat
5:54:44 pm bearclau: @Quinnovator true, but sometimes face-to-face time helps #lrnchat
5:54:45 pm wlonline: Q1 Academics, teachers and trainers tend to have to get on with the job #lrnchat
5:54:53 pm JaneBozarth: @LearnNuggets Are you really in the 6th grade? #lrnchat
5:54:56 pm atsc: Q1 In higher ed the specialisation of ID itself. Teachers should be taught these principles & we wouldn’t then need ID specialists. #lrnchat
5:54:58 pm MariaOD: @jaycross what are they? SME #lrnchat
5:54:58 pm andyjanning: #lrnchat Q1 ID is a process that makes us feel safe when our clients want results…and we can’t control that.
5:55:17 pm ThomasStone: Q1: Rapid E-Learning Tools, in the wrong hands, with lack of focus on learner = Crapid E-Learning as output. #lrnchat
5:55:29 pm tommyvallier: @Mary_a_Myers Link for the #lrnchat info?
5:55:31 pm KoreenOlbrish: in the eternal effort for faster & cheaper, actual design gets the shaft #lrnchat
5:55:32 pm Quinnovator: @MariaOD Subject Matter Expert #lrnchat
5:55:39 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @moehlert Q1 – huge difference.. but designers have gone too deep into corporate lives.. they forgot their customers #lrnchat
5:55:41 pm JaneBozarth: My days are spent dealing with people who have seen a hammer and want to whack every nail with it.. #lrnchat
5:55:44 pm bschlenker: RT @jsuzcampos: Re: Question of “what looks good”. IMHO, a blend of lrn’d tech skill &natural creative artistry. Ya I *LOVE* isd!!! #lrnchat
5:55:49 pm gminks: RT @ThomasStone: Q1: Rapid E-Learning Tools, in the wrong hands, with lack of focus on learner = Crapid E-Learning as output. #lrnchat
5:55:50 pm xpconcept: Q1) Catalysts aren’t new, imo. ID population is just higher, so it’s more noticeable. #lrnchat
5:55:53 pm mobilemind: Q0: some training serves stupid needs; biz process should be fixed not trained-around. ISD gets abandoned when training is a patch #lrnchat
5:55:54 pm RayJimenez: Q1 I propose we replace ISD to back to helping learners learn..over simplify.. but we need deep rooted questions.. #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:55:58 pm roninchef: @kasey428 I find it helps to talk like Yoda. Learn you will. #lrnchat
5:56:01 pm gminks: crapid elearning is my new favorite term #lrnchat
5:56:05 pm wlonline: Q1 What about branching to Educational Design #lrnchat
5:56:09 pm Quinnovator: @kasey428 not just you, but many people still argue about what it means/includes. PM? UI? Biz smarts? #lrnchat
5:56:16 pm andyjanning: #lrnchat what if we stopped calling it instructional design and started calling it results design? Would clients take it seriously then?
5:56:18 pm jmarrapodi: Q1) Many don’t actually design the training. Consider the “training” produced by a SME. Info dump. #lrnchat
5:56:24 pm gminks: this is what I experience RT @KoreenOlbrish: in the eternal effort for faster & cheaper, actual design gets the shaft #lrnchat
5:56:31 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @gminks: crapid elearning is my new favorite term #lrnchat
5:56:35 pm RayJimenez: @ThomasStone That’s great. Crapid eLearning #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:56:36 pm Erick1970: Instructional design could be focused on providing a learning platform with learning apps — a #lrnappstore #lrnchat
5:56:48 pm gminks: RT @roninchef: @kasey428 I find it helps to talk like Yoda. Learn you will. #lrnchat
5:56:50 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: RT @gminks: crapid elearning is my new favorite term #lrnchat
5:56:51 pm mobilemind: @ThomasStone love the “cRapid eLearning” moniker. I’m appropriating it too. #lrnchat
5:56:51 pm oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish so maybe the biggest barrier to achieving good ID is that many feel that it is optional #lrnchat
5:56:56 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @roninchef: @kasey428 I find it helps to talk like Yoda. Learn you will. ( i think is true for most things in life) #lrnchat
5:57:08 pm Quinnovator: Q1: the ID goggles often are a bit limiting on perspective #lrnchat
5:57:13 pm kasey428: SMEs interferring with the ID process can be a real problem to the #lrnchat
5:57:15 pm JaneBozarth: RT @roninchef: @kasey428 I find it helps to talk like Yoda. Learn you will. #lrnchat
5:57:18 pm rpannoni: If you’re a surgeon, the answer is surgery. If you’re an instruc designer, the answer is a course. ISD is too narrow. #lrnchat
5:57:18 pm RayJimenez: RT @andyjanning True – back to basics #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:57:22 pm oxala75: @gminks favorited🙂 #lrnchat
5:57:24 pm bschlenker: RT @moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: RT @gminks: crapid elearning is my new favorite term – me2! #lrnchat
5:57:26 pm Erick1970: @andyjanning: ID is the process. The client is more interested in the final product. #lrnchat
5:57:28 pm wlonline: Q1 How to we factor in perspetive of learner’s design? collaborative learning , etc #lrnchat
5:57:32 pm jsuzcampos: is there a difference between instructional design and learning design? I think so. #lrnchat
5:57:34 pm NorthMetroSBDC: RT @RayJimenez: @ThomasStone That’s great. Crapid eLearning #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:57:36 pm JaneBozarth: RT @oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish so maybe the biggest barrier to achieving good ID is that many feel that it is optional #lrnchat
5:57:39 pm cindyhugg: Love it! RT @andyjanning: #lrnchat what if we stopped calling it ID and started calling it results design? Would clients take it seriously
5:57:47 pm kelly_smith01: Theme of an old issues on NSPI (ISPI) Journal was ISD:Art, Science, or Skill #lrnchat
5:57:47 pm kasey428: RT @mobilemind: @ThomasStone love the “cRapid eLearning” moniker. Im appropriating it too. #lrnchat
5:57:53 pm bearclau: @andyjanning REsults Designs. I like the sound of that! #lrnchat
5:58:05 pm jwillensky: Q1 Bad output begets more bad output at some companies. Consistency is more important. #lrnchat
5:58:07 pm andyjanning: @JaneBozarth just remember that Yoda never used PowerPoint #lrnchat
5:58:08 pm gminks: @oxala75 I don’t think ppl think good ID is optional, I think they don’t want to spend resources (time,ppl, or $) on it #lrnchat
5:58:13 pm xpconcept: Rapid eLearning should mean = LET’S EVALUATE SOONER! #lrnchat
5:58:13 pm Quinnovator: Me too! RT @mobilemind: @ThomasStone love the “cRapid eLearning” moniker. I’m appropriating it too. #lrnchat
5:58:15 pm RayJimenez: Q1 Hurrary.. good description Crapid eLearning/Learning — what makes it crappy? #lrnchat #lrnchat
5:58:20 pm NorthMetroSBDC: Q1 problem ID is seen as compliance and not fun. #lrnchat
5:58:23 pm KoreenOlbrish: @andyjanning or what about calling it performance improvement? or…hell, i can’t believe i’d consider rebranding “learning”🙂 #lrnchat
5:58:28 pm jmarrapodi: RT @JaneBozarth: My days are spent dealing w/people who have seen a hammer & want to whack every nail with it.[want U2 do likewise] #lrnchat
5:58:42 pm alexismac: RT @gminks: crapid elearning is my new favorite term #lrnchat
5:58:44 pm JaneBozarth: @rpannoni No, problem I have is trying to talk them OUT of a course: often they need job aid, coaching, better boss… #lrnchat
5:58:45 pm moehlert: RT @rpannoni: If ur a surgeon, the answer is surgery. If you’re an instruc designer, the answer is a course. ISD is too narrow. #lrnchat
5:58:45 pm kasey428: @jsuzcampos Is there a difference? Dunno #lrnchat
5:58:49 pm ThomasStone: Sounds good RT @andyjanning: what if we stopped calling it instructional design and started calling it results design? #lrnchat
5:58:51 pm jsuzcampos: Agreed! The biggest barrier to good ID is many feel that it’s optional. Many think it is a luxury. RT @oxala75 @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat
5:58:56 pm wlonline: Why not Learning Design? #lrnchat
5:58:56 pm mobilemind: Q0: ask ourselves- does ISD get skipped because audience is actually pretty smart- learns enough even with poor design. #lrnchat
5:58:58 pm atsc: @kasey428 SME’s should be the Instructional designers, not external experts. They must interefere they have the knowledge… #lrnchat
5:59:03 pm randomdazzle: RT @KoreenOlbrish: RT @gminks: crapid elearning is my new favorite term #lrnchat. Does that go with Destructional Design?
5:59:05 pm roninchef: In my org most of the folks we tap as SMEs have no idea what ID is and they actually trust my team to deliver good training. #lrnchat
5:59:17 pm moehlert: RT @center4EduPunx: RT@360KID A new video games curriculum. Katie Salen changes face of traditional edu http://tr.im/economvidga #lrnchat
5:59:30 pm jmarrapodi: Q1) We need to remember that the customer doesn’t know what it takes to create good ID. They think it happens on the fly. #lrnchat
5:59:36 pm MariaOD: @Quinnovator asking Jay Cross why SMEs are no longe r SME #lrnchat
5:59:36 pm alexismac: RT @ThomasStone: Q1: Rapid E-Learning Tools, in the wrong hands, with lack of focus on learner = Crapid E-Learning as output. #lrnchat
5:59:38 pm oxala75: @hjarche i know. just have to remember sometimes that the way that it often happens is not the way it should be. #lrnchat
5:59:54 pm Quinnovator: that’s what I say RT @wlonline: Why not Learning Design? #lrnchat
5:59:55 pm RayJimenez: Q1 ISD should be collasped to A. the point of need to Z. the point of results #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:00:00 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Watch out at next conference. Someone will tout that they have CRapid eLearning Tools. Bet me.
6:00:02 pm kelly_smith01: Harless applied a tool ABCD – Accomplishment Based Curri’lm Design – pointed to accomplishment/outcomes #lrnchat
6:00:05 pm bschlenker: @KoreenOlbrish YES I just starting getting caught up on Season 2 of The Guild #lrnchat – Awesome!
6:00:05 pm jmarrapodi: @roninchef They hiring? Or maybe cloning managers? #lrnchat
6:00:05 pm JaneBozarth: @jmarrapodi Not even that: “We read about the ACME Consulting Group’s Leadership Kit, now everyone must sign up and attend” #lrnchat
6:00:06 pm Mary_a_Myers: @mobilemind interesting point. many times assessment proves they find the info somewhere else …if they really need it. #lrnchat
6:00:06 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @moehlert @center4EduPunx @360KID A new video games curriculum. Katie Salen changes face of trad edu http://tr.im/economvidga #lrnchat
6:00:15 pm cindyhugg: Ha! =>RT @randomdazzle: @KoreenOlbrish @gminks: crapid elearning is my new favorite term #lrnchat. Does that go with Destructional Design?
6:00:16 pm jwillensky: @roninchef Can I come work at your idyllic utopia?🙂 #lrnchat
6:00:22 pm rpannoni: @JaneBozarth Do you often have trouble talking them into a better boss? #lrnchat
6:00:23 pm hjarche: What about non-instructional design? ID misses 80% of human performance #lrnchat
6:00:24 pm oxala75: @roninchef same here. minus the trust part, sometimes. #lrnchat
6:00:28 pm Quinnovator: RT @randomdazzle: RT @KoreenOlbrish: RT @gminks: crapid elearning is my new favorite term #lrnchat. Does that go with Destructional Design?
6:00:29 pm wlonline: Shouldnt we rethink notion of who’s designing for whom and involve the learners #lrnchat
6:00:32 pm mobilemind: easy for superficial ISD to design-down, spoon-feed… then ISD as a whole gets skipped as unneeded; people learn anyway #lrnchat
6:00:43 pm RayJimenez: Q1 what is appalling is we teach ISD in universities the way it was taught 50 years ago.. so I expect to see more CRAP… #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:00:46 pm xpconcept: @roninchef – we’re getting to the same point. SME’s / Stakeholders trust the design team. Open and honest comms. #lrnchat
6:00:52 pm butwait: RT @oxala75 @KoreenOlbrish so maybe the biggest barrier to achieving good ID is that many feel that it is optional #lrnchat
6:00:54 pm Mary_a_Myers: @mobilemind i mean that it hasn’t been identified as a knowledge gap… #lrnchat
6:01:02 pm jsuzcampos: Q1) re: results design: clients must unrdstnd results achieved w/a learning solution. they see ID work, they want it for everything #lrnchat
6:01:16 pm gminks: I am an SME where I work on the products I design training for #lrnchat
6:01:18 pm PhilMcCreight: Q1 Think it is a fundamental lack of design competency… not just ID #lrnchat
6:01:21 pm everyselearning: Can I quote you on that Crapid E-Learning @ThomasStone #lrnchat
6:01:21 pm JaneBozarth: @rpannoni No, but do ok, sometimes, with getting boss to training instead of them #lrnchat
6:01:23 pm Quinnovator: needs different philosophical shift: not ‘designing instruction’, but ‘facilitating learning’. #lrnchat
6:01:25 pm andyjanning: #lrnchat knowledge isn’t power; performance is power.
6:01:38 pm RayJimenez: Q1 – tools without the right new thinking processes and changed of hearts.. just reinforce very very old practices #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:01:45 pm gminks: it works because I know what questions to ask all the audiences (since I’m an SME) #lrnchat
6:01:49 pm ThomasStone: That would make for a funny YouTube video, eh? RT @andyjanning: @JaneBozarth just remember that Yoda never used PowerPoint #lrnchat
6:01:54 pm xpconcept: @hjarch – YES!!! I think the missed number is higher though. Don’t think S/K as first problem nor training as first answer. #lrnchat
6:01:55 pm kasey428: @randomdazzle I am a SME, in ISD. Subject matter is the SME domain. #lrnchat
6:01:56 pm moehlert: #lrnchat So, all of this so far had been from production side of ID. What about consumption? Does good ID start w what learners want/need?
6:02:03 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @Quinnovator: needs different philosophical shift: not designing instruction, but facilitating learning. #lrnchat
6:02:03 pm wlonline: RT @Quinnovator: needs different philosophical shift: not ‘designing instruction’, but ‘facilitating learning’. #lrnchat Analyysis via Master Performers #lrnchat
6:17:13 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jmarrapodi: @kasey428 And I don’t suppose they put mind reading in your job description either. #lrnchat
6:17:14 pm butwait: RT @busynessgirl Q2 Design for teaching 21st century skills, not transactional edu based on outdated curric. http://bit.ly/cLQ3t #lrnchat
6:17:15 pm gminks: @edwsonoma we are going wild because there is not a lot of drinking tonight.🙂 #lrnchat
6:17:16 pm oxala75: @jaycross today my boss looked up and said out loud “sometimes, i really don’t like online learning.” she was taking comp training #lrnchat
6:17:21 pm bschlenker: RT @Quinnovator: RT @Erick1970: Q2 Think game design over instructional design << end game! #lrnchat
6:17:34 pm Mary_a_Myers: @andyjanning I suppose depending on the size of workplaceor if independant being invited/sitting at the table has a diff timing. #lrnchat
6:17:40 pm jsuzcampos: Q2, I teach problem statement – performance gap – root cause – front end – then training needs analysis. #lrnchat
6:17:59 pm moehlert: RT @jaycross: RT @oxala75: Q2) good ID is creating enough good avenues 4 learning that resistance is futile (even undesirable) YES! #lrnchat
6:18:01 pm kzenovka: @busynessgirl #lrnchat having you been listening to the “teachers got to learn” video http://bit.ly/8FPNV
6:18:03 pm xpconcept: @Rayjimenez – start with personnel selection – assessment of design affinity. have the wrong people – training / process won’t fix #lrnchat
6:18:15 pm kasey428: Q2 Be consistent, thorough, and know the audience. Tie to the organizational goals. #lrnchat
6:18:16 pm gminks: RT @PhilMcCreight: @busynessgirl Q2 Design arnd 21st century skills, not transactional outdated curriculum. http://bit.ly/cLQ3t #lrnchat
6:18:24 pm randomdazzle: #lrnchat Q2 Design out of the box. It is said” teachers teach the way they were taught” ISDs need to disrupt themselves occasionally.
6:18:35 pm wlonline: RT @butwait: @busynessgirl Q2 Design for teaching 21st C skills, not transactional edu based on outdatd curric. http://bit.ly/cLQ3t #lrnchat
6:18:36 pm KoreenOlbrish: we should be designing learning experiences that WE would want to participate in #lrnchat
6:18:45 pm everyselearning: @oxala75 she was talking about poorly designed comp training #lrnchat
6:18:50 pm oxala75: @jsuzcampos it isn’t? #lrnchat
6:18:56 pm Mary_a_Myers: @andyjanning killing our industry or not…timing is everything. diff between solution sold and solution required. #lrnchat
6:19:04 pm roninchef: @bschlenker Rebel FM podcast a few weeks ago talked about good game design and it sounded a lot like good ID to me. #lrnchat
6:19:08 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @KoreenOlbrish: we should be designing learning experiences that WE would want to participate in (YES!) #lrnchat
6:19:19 pm jmarrapodi: Q2) ID is most effective when we R problem centered, learner focused, outcome oriented & willing to use tools that enable learning. #lrnchat
6:19:26 pm kellygarber: @atsc yes, and more,my comment was reply to another post …an ID trying to answer to what they do in 140 or less.🙂 #lrnchat
6:19:37 pm edwsonoma: @KoreenOlbrish we should drink our own champagne! #lrnchat
6:19:38 pm xpconcept: @randomdazzle – why am I doing this… like this? is an excellent self-disruption query. #lrnchat
6:19:43 pm NorthMetroSBDC: Q2 need to get people away from only using text for communication in Online learning. If we liked it, printers would be fine. #lrnchat
6:19:48 pm Quinnovator: @RayJimenez is overthrowing elephant easier than changing, replacing? #lrnchat
6:19:52 pm moehlert: @ajpape #lrnchat NIce. That’s You, Me, @cindyhugg and @PhilMcCreight…4 people should be enough
6:19:56 pm oxala75: @everyselearning ah, i see. #lrnchat
6:19:59 pm andyjanning: @randomdazzle #lrnchat you nailed it…we gotta have some deliberate dissonance every now and then
6:20:02 pm nickfloro: An individual follows a path to learn but every person follows a different path. Force a path, destroys the fun. #lrnchat (via @busynessgirl
6:20:04 pm kasey428: @jmarrapodi Mindreader is a part of the job in DC. And if I don’t read their minds correctly, then they are unhappy. #lrnchat
6:20:04 pm atsc: Q2: Give open learning to the students. E.g. wikis… Just heard our wikis are doing wonders for student group work🙂 #lrnchat
6:20:11 pm bschlenker: @roninchef I know. Read “A Theory of Fun” and you will get the same feeling #lrnchat
6:20:12 pm JaneBozarth: I’m sorry what did I miss? Was distracted by side conversation on transvestism, Lord of the Flies, and IADS Syndrome #lrnchat
6:20:36 pm JaneBozarth: RT @KoreenOlbrish: we should be designing learning experiences that WE would want to participate in #lrnchat
6:20:42 pm jwillensky: RT @KoreenOlbrish: we should be designing learning experiences that WE would want to participate in #lrnchat
6:20:43 pm kzenovka: @PhilMcCreight #lrnchat more of a Henry Jenkins fan participatory culture http://bit.ly/X36Ww
6:20:43 pm jsuzcampos: RT @jmarrapodi Q2) most effective when problem centered, lealrnr rner focused, outcome oriented & use tools to enable learning. #lrnchat
6:20:48 pm Quinnovator: @edwsonoma you’ve got to weigh in, you’ve got thoughts on this I know😉 #lrnchat
6:20:56 pm JaneBozarth: RT @xpconcept: @randomdazzle – why am I doing this… like this? is an excellent self-disruption query. #lrnchat
6:20:56 pm oxala75: @kasey428 oh, you are definitely a fellow-traveler #lrnchat
6:20:58 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: we should b designing learning experiences that WE would want to participate in #lrnchat Oh wait, what? Our OWN dog food?
6:21:02 pm randomdazzle: @KoreenOlbrish: We should be designing learning experiences that LEARNERS would want to participate in #lrnchat Know thy learner!
6:21:04 pm mizminh: @Quinnovator yes to game design but differentiation is still an issue some play team games & some are more solitary #lrnchat
6:21:09 pm RayJimenez: RT @Quinnovator – I think elephant will eventually be extinct #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:21:17 pm atsc: @atsc Correction teamwork… #lrnchat
6:21:22 pm alexismac: Q2 Be willing to take risks. We can improve ID by breaking outdated theory rules and focusing on learner/client needs. #lrnchat
6:21:25 pm jsuzcampos: @oxala75 not so much …. IMHO #lrnchat
6:21:40 pm xpconcept: Game design requires higher order problem solving / design than most ID’s seem willing / capable (Define vs. Solve). #lrnchat
6:21:43 pm oxala75: @moehlert yeah, i definitely like ‘drinking our champagne’ over ‘eating our own dog food’ #lrnchat
6:21:45 pm Erick1970: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @KoreenOlbrish: we should be designing learning experiences that WE would want to participate in #lrnchat Yes, please!
6:21:46 pm moehlert: @kasey428 #lrnchat Mindreading assumes that the thought they want is actually in their head.
6:22:01 pm rpannoni: We should be designing learning experiences we would want to participate in – if we are the intended audience. #lrnchat
6:22:05 pm atsc: Q2: Provide a path with open spaces… #lrnchat
6:22:09 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @alexismac: Q2 B willing to take risks. improve ID by breaking outdated theory rules and focusing on learner/client needs. #lrnchat
6:22:09 pm butwait: RT @xpconcept @randomdazzle -why am I doing this… like this? is an excellent self-disruption query. #lrnchat (Have to remember to try it!)
6:22:13 pm wlonline: RT @atsc: Q2: Give open learning to the students. E.g. wikis… Just heard our wikis are doing wonders for student teamwork🙂 #lrnchat
6:22:22 pm RayJimenez: Q2 – I am stuck with the notion, we need to have more challeniging deeper soul searching answers to ISD — as extinct.. #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:22:27 pm jmarrapodi: Q2) Open learning has benefits. We still need a framework to hang it on. #lrnchat
6:22:29 pm moehlert: @oxala75 #lrnchat How about a requirement that whatever you build, you have to take?
6:22:33 pm bschlenker: Is it really THIS difficult? Or do we just make it that way because of all lingo and decades of baggage? #lrnchat
6:22:37 pm gminks: RT @rpannoni: We should be designing learning experiences we would want to participate in – if we are the intended audience. #lrnchat
6:22:43 pm JaneBozarth: RT @moehlert: @kasey428 #lrnchat Mindreading assumes that the thought they want is actually in their head.
6:22:44 pm roninchef: @bschlenker I will be adding “A Theory of Fun” to my Amazon wish list. #lrnchat
6:22:45 pm mizminh: @Quinnovator games design – in ‘training’ sessions too many group things alienate those more inclined to a solo approach #lrnchat
6:22:46 pm xpconcept: @randomdazzle – YES! Design isn’t about me. If I want it to be about me, I call it art… #lrnchat
6:22:47 pm ThomasStone: RT @KoreenOlbrish: we should be designing learning experiences that WE would want to participate in #lrnchat
6:22:52 pm RayJimenez: RT @alexismac I think it is now breaking down. #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:22:59 pm moehlert: @bschlenker #lrnchat We got more baggage than O’Hare brother.
6:23:03 pm edwsonoma: @Quinnovator tonight I am drinking from the firehose of other people’s opinions🙂 #lrnchat
6:23:07 pm PhilMcCreight: moehlert @ajpape #lrnchat NIce. That’s You, Me, @cindyhugg and @PhilMcCreight…4 people should be enough- Thanks great ideas!
6:23:12 pm Quinnovator: @RayJimenez I agree, we need mechanism to work together to work it out; hard when scattered #lrnchat
6:23:13 pm busynessgirl: Design learning in the way we’d do it. My #mathET students’ first week of class (blogs, mindmaps, videos): http://bit.ly/3BAZey #lrnchat
6:23:16 pm oxala75: @everyselearning definitely true. compliance training doesn’t have to be rote or insipid. too few insightful experiences, tho #lrnchat
6:23:18 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @xpconcept: @randomdazzle – YES! Design isnt about me. If I want it to be about me, I call it art… #lrnchat
6:23:37 pm oxala75: @Stevehoward999 bwahaha #lrnchat
6:23:38 pm RayJimenez: Q2 8 years ago i spoke of chunking learning to make it easy.. as an exmaple.. today.. i see more ISD people trying it. #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:23:43 pm JaneBozarth: RT @roninchef: @bschlenker Side thought: some evening a #lrnchat book discussion?
6:23:47 pm NorthMetroSBDC: Dogfooding is always a great test RT @moehlert: @oxala75 #lrnchat How about a requirement that whatever you build, you have to take?
6:23:50 pm PhilMcCreight: RT @moehlert: @PhilMcCreight #lrnchat Violent Agreement! Now how do we change Industry, Academia and Govt? — use CIA tactics lol
6:23:56 pm kzenovka: @bschlenker #lrnchat epistemic games maybe? http://bit.ly/2OVIj2
6:23:58 pm NicoleLazzaro: Good instructional design also involves play. There are no games that don’t teach. #lrnchat
6:24:08 pm Erick1970: @oxala75 I think a lot of people don’t like online learning #lrnchat
6:24:09 pm JaneBozarth: RT @moehlert: @bschlenker #lrnchat We got more baggage than O’Hare brother.
6:24:14 pm Quinnovator: @mizminh agree with differentiation, but that’s a design issue, not a process one, eh? #lrnchat
6:24:17 pm bschlenker: @moehlert Don’t we though?!!! Srsly!!! And a lot of it is old, left behind, and being re-sold #lrnchat
6:24:22 pm RayJimenez: RT @Quinnovator are there fundamental research studies on this? #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:24:24 pm busynessgirl: RT @moehlert #lrnchat How about a requirement that whatever you build, you have to take? (loving it)
6:24:26 pm jmarrapodi: Design is a process of creating functionality, whether it is a box, poster or lesson. #lrnchat
6:24:29 pm oxala75: @moehlert oh, that would definitely cut down on the urge for ppl to demand flagship/cruisliner/ktchen-sink/repository courses #lrnchat
6:24:35 pm alexismac: YES! RT @rpannoni: We should be designing learning experiences we would want to participate in – if we are the intended audience. #lrnchat
6:24:38 pm Quinnovator: and welcome to #lrnchat! RT @NicoleLazzaro: Good instructional design also involves play. There are no games that don’t teach.
6:24:55 pm bschlenker: @kzenovka Have you been reading Dr. Kapp again?🙂 #lrnchat
6:25:00 pm oxala75: @Erick1970 yeah. i’m trying to change their minds. it’s slow going. #lrnchat
6:25:09 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @NicoleLazzaro: Good ID also involves play. There are no games that dont teach. (i learn lots w/lrnchat drinking game) #lrnchat
6:25:17 pm andyjanning: @oxala75 #lrnchat if we called compliance training “this is the stuff we need to do to stay out of jail/keep you alive”=much more attention
6:25:20 pm PhilMcCreight: Thanks for link! RT @kzenovka: @PhilMcCreight #lrnchat more of a Henry Jenkins fan participatory culture http://bit.ly/X36Ww
6:25:21 pm mizminh: consult the learners #lrnchat
6:25:23 pm Erick1970: @kelly_smith01 Or better yet start with job analysis data to help determine the gaps. #lrnchat
6:25:28 pm mbogle: @atsc Missed the beginning of this. When you say “open” learning do you mean all students can edit, or the wiki is publicly visible #lrnchat
6:25:37 pm darylcook: some interesting tweets coming out of #lrnchat – thanks twitterers!
6:25:51 pm rpannoni: RT @NicoleLazzaro: Good instructional design also involves play. There are no games that dont teach. #lrnchat
6:25:53 pm xpconcept: Q2) Maybe if we stop thinking course / screen as base unit of measure… Think solution, think bigger, think long term system impct #lrnchat
6:25:54 pm kasey428: RT @jmarrapodi: Design is a process of creating functionality, whether it is a box, poster or lesson. #lrnchat
6:25:55 pm Quinnovator: @RayJimenez sure, but from non ISD: social constructivist stuff #lrnchat
6:26:03 pm bschlenker: Good instructional design also involves play. There are no games that don’t teach. #lrnchat (via @NicoleLazzaro)
6:26:11 pm moehlert: RT @Quinnovator: and welcome to #lrnchat! RT @NicoleLazzaro: …..There are no games that don’t teach. Hells yes!!
6:26:14 pm bearclau: I got into ID because I thought “i can do this. it’s common sense to me”. Now i 2nd guess myself. #lrnchat
6:26:14 pm mizminh: how about all training is in ID & then they can construct their own connections from there on? #lrnchat
6:26:19 pm cindyhugg: need to sign off, thanks everyone for another interesting and informative #lrnchat.
6:26:27 pm atsc: @NicoleLazzaro Does it always involve play? I wouldn’t tell that too my postgrad business students or their “facilitators”… #lrnchat
6:26:32 pm Quinnovator: and by play, we mean meaningful, challenging engagement in a problem to be solved! #lrnchat
6:26:36 pm jmarrapodi: Wikipedia: Design is the planning that lays the basis for the making of every object or system. It can be used as noun & verb #lrnchat
6:26:40 pm kasey428: I see lots of new names. Welcome to all newbies. #lrnchat
6:26:52 pm Erick1970: @Quinnovator I think Orgs don’t want more courses – they want real-world JIT learning experiences. #lrnchat
6:27:15 pm KoreenOlbrish: i’m interviewing an ID in Skype while i’m tracking #lrnchat …this is a funny example of cognitive dissonance😉 #lrnchat
6:27:18 pm oxala75: @andyjanning would make for interesting disclaimers, at least #lrnchat
6:27:20 pm RayJimenez: Q2 – get ISD closer to business bottom line, make technology flatten ISD processes 3. Shorter faster nearer to learners. #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:27:23 pm rpannoni: RT @Quinnovator: and by play, we mean meaningful, challenging engagement in a problem to be solved! #lrnchat
6:27:25 pm kasey428: Putting play into an appropriations law course is hard, but I have done it. And they loved it. #lrnchat
6:27:26 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @Quinnovator: and by play, we mean meaningful, challenging engagement in a problem to be solved! (hmm…thx for clarifying) #lrnchat
6:27:32 pm Erick1970: RT @jsuzcampos: sometimes learners must be forced down a path. think combat training. #lrnchat or compliance training
6:27:33 pm dbolen: RT @Erick1970: @Quinnovator I think Orgs dont want more courses – they want real-world JIT learning experiences. AMEN #lrnchat
6:27:48 pm Quinnovator: @andyjanning yes, but compliance training still doesn’t have to be dull: intrinsic motivation not extrinsic #lrnchat
6:27:54 pm xpconcept: For elearning – screen = cup on a conveyer. Drink, next, drink. Engagement happens from the neck up not at the fingertips. #lrnchat
6:27:56 pm gminks: but these take longer to design: @Quinnovator I think Orgs dont want more courses – they want real-world JIT learning experiences. #lrnchat
6:28:15 pm mrch0mp3rs: ID is dead. Oh hey, is this thing on? #lrnchat
6:28:16 pm RayJimenez: Q2-Flatter ISD: short distance between needs and learning, quick applications, now, today #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:28:19 pm oxala75: @kasey428 i would think at that point the mind would crave play #lrnchat
6:28:23 pm Quinnovator: @bearclau that’s it, the reflective practitioner is part of the practice #lrnchat
6:28:25 pm alexismac: Wow – it’s like a bunch of you are in my head! RT @NicoleLazzaro: Good ID also involves play. There are no games that don’t teach. #lrnchat
6:28:30 pm NicoleLazzaro: @Quinnovator Soon Simulation Games will be as common as multiple choice for demonstrating skills and knowledge. #lrnchat
6:28:29 pm bschlenker: @KoreenOlbrish Interviewing – as in a job? Hey, if he/she is in #lrnchat too – they’re hired! #lrnchat
6:28:37 pm atsc: @Mary_a_Myers Thanks that definition of play helps… #lrnchat
6:28:40 pm UpstateSCASTD: RT @bschlenker Good instructional design also involves play. There are no games that don’t teach. #lrnchat (via @NicoleLazzaro)l
6:28:40 pm PhilMcCreight: RT @bschlenker Good instructional design also involves play. There are no games that don’t teach. #lrnchat (via @NicoleLazzaro)l
6:28:40 pm jmarrapodi: Design assumes there is a “designer” behind the process. We design instruction. I think the issue is defining what that can be. #lrnchat
6:28:42 pm moehlert: @atsc #lrnchat “Play” can also mean ‘room to move’ .
6:28:45 pm jsuzcampos: RT @RayJimenez: Q2 : Get ISD closer to business bottom line, make tech, flatten ISD processes. Shorter faster nearer to learners. #lrnchat
6:28:51 pm JaneBozarth: @dbolen @quinnovator My org wants more courses #lrnchat
6:28:57 pm bschlenker: RT @mrch0mp3rs: ID is dead. Oh hey, is this thing on? < collaborative; share good eg. try out what others have done #lrnchat
6:33:19 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat Q3: more game, ah ha! #lrnchat
6:33:20 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3 Allow ISDs to team up with each other. Engagement in the process ==> engaging product #lrnchat
6:33:24 pm atsc: @NorthMetroSBDC You need to define what you mean by play. Even then it must be goal directed play… #lrnchat
6:33:33 pm NorthMetroSBDC: #lrnchat Favorite Business games/ sims: Budget Hero, WoW, Second Life, NeoSteam, Karmatycoon, Diner Dash
6:33:45 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q3) Relevant. Just please, make it relevant. Oh, and it shouldn’t suck.
6:33:51 pm Quinnovator: @Mary_a_Myers I didn’t do it. er, @moehlert did, yeah, that’s it! #lrnchat
6:33:55 pm gminks: q3: is this asking how do we make the job of ID more engaging? or the instruction ID produces more engaging? #lrnchat
6:34:01 pm RayJimenez: Q3 ISD need to let go. The idea that ISD can be engaging is one of those old beliefs. Learners engage themselves #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:34:15 pm oxala75: @lasic 1) is already open. 2) no. 3) no. #lrnchat
6:34:17 pm moehlert: RT @NorthMetroSBDC: #lrnchat Favorite Business games/ sims: Budget Hero, WoW, Second Life, NeoSteam, Karmatycoon, Diner Dash #yam
6:34:21 pm wlonline: Q3 Am making a wild pitch for pedagogical patterns #lrnchat
6:34:29 pm jwillensky: Q3 1) Ask an org’s learners about irritations/obstacles 2) Use appropriate medium #lrnchat
6:34:31 pm JaneBozarth: Q3 you mean end design or act of designing? #lrnchat
6:34:31 pm RayJimenez: RT @moehlert Relevant, yes, also, useful, practical now and today.. #lrnchat
6:34:32 pm xpconcept: Q3) lol the product or the practice? If you don’t love it, adjust your path. #lrnchat
6:34:33 pm atsc: Q3: Enhanced facilitation to improve the students path to the goal… #lrnchat
6:34:37 pm NorthMetroSBDC: #lrnchat: Accounting is even starting to use games: http://www.startheregoplaces.com/
6:34:42 pm kasey428: @bschlenker You mean they don’t need a sage on the stage lecturing for 60 minutes? Let the learner actually be involved? Come on. #lrnchat
6:34:44 pm kelly_smith01: After training (via ID) learner should feel empowered. Sorrry about using the word empowered (Q#3) #lrnchat
6:34:45 pm gminks: q3. make instruction more engaging by tying it to tasks the learner has to do for their job. #lrnchat
6:34:52 pm klowey22: timely relevant and consistent… like the def of communications…altho maybe consistent should be ’emergent’ for learning #lrnchat
6:35:06 pm oxala75: @gminks pretty sure it’s the lattr. pretty sure. #lrnchat
6:35:09 pm moehlert: RT @NorthMetroSBDC: #lrnchat: Accounting is even starting to use games: http://www.startheregoplaces.com/ #yam
6:35:12 pm Mary_a_Myers: i struggle w/ the space between “play” and “real-world exp”. some subjects are just not that fun. could just be me. #lrnchat
6:35:16 pm jwillensky: RT @gminks: q3. make instruction more engaging by tying it to tasks the learner has to do for their job. #lrnchat
6:35:21 pm atsc: @wlonline pedagogical patterns? Sounds interesting… Can you elaborate? #lrnchat
6:35:22 pm Quinnovator: @gminks game doesn’t have to mean programmed, think ‘problem-based’. But there’re hybrids that give high value for low Investment #lrnchat
6:35:35 pm moehlert: @wlonline #lrnchat More please…..
6:35:35 pm gminks: crazy talk! RT @kasey428: @bschlenker You mean they dont need a sage on the stage lecturing for 60 minutes? #lrnchat
6:35:47 pm RayJimenez: @JaneBozarth Yes, designing presupposes things are static.. must else can be done.. differently #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:35:48 pm kelly_smith01: RT yes – gminks q3. make instruction more engaging by tying it to tasks the learner has to do for their job. #lrnchat
6:35:49 pm kasey428: RT @NorthMetroSBDC: #lrnchat: Accounting is even starting to use games: http://www.startheregoplaces.com/ #yam #lrnchat
6:35:51 pm jsuzcampos: Q3 ISD is a model, a framework, a system, a process. ISD isn’t necessarily engaging. its product should be. #lrnchat
6:35:51 pm JaneBozarth: @kasey428 Well now you’re talkin’ crazy. #lrnchat
6:35:56 pm xpconcept: Q3) Engagement happens from the neck up, not the fingertips. Don’t oversimplify. Reading is OK in natural form (all bullets isn’t) #lrnchat
6:35:58 pm dbolen: Q3 respect the learner per @gminks #lrnchat
6:36:00 pm oxala75: @mrch0mp3rs i agree. Me and my ID Justice League have been making great strides lately. #lrnchat
6:36:02 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat Q3 – immersion, engagement, games, simulation – it’s the same thing different words.
6:36:06 pm Quinnovator: RT @jaycross: Q3. Engaging? Simulation. Challenge. Purpose. Fun. #lrnchat
6:36:07 pm NorthMetroSBDC: @atsc Yes, my “play” is directed. I have my students apply accounting principles to these games and report on outcomes #lrnchat
6:36:15 pm doctumlearning: Q3) Put yourself in the audience’s chair every once in a while. Does your training make YOU sleepy? #lrnchat
6:36:17 pm jwillensky: @gminks Gina, they can throw you out of the ID union for that🙂 #lrnchat
6:36:26 pm Mary_a_Myers: q3: engaging = relevant #lrnchat
6:36:32 pm roninchef: Q3 Collaborative learning. Most CBTs are a single user experience. Get people in to work together. #lrnchat
6:36:37 pm jmarrapodi: Q3) More connections between learners’ knowledge, the connections they are making to new info and each other. Can use SoMe for that #lrnchat
6:36:54 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Clipper City-Gold Ale #playathome
6:36:55 pm Quinnovator: @jsuzcampos yes, we ignore the motivational (affective/conative) side at our peril. Who learns best when they don’t *care*? #lrnchat
6:36:58 pm mrch0mp3rs: @oxala75 ID Justice League. This is why we’re friends… #lrnchat
6:36:59 pm gminks: we have a UNION!! what?? RT @jwillensky: @gminks Gina, they can throw you out of the ID union for that🙂 #lrnchat
6:37:10 pm moehlert: RT @jaycross: Q3. Let’s not forget that some learning involves innovating and creating new knowledge. It’s not all transfer. #lrnchat #yam
6:37:13 pm klowey22: RT @roninchef: Q3 Collaborative learning. Most CBTs are a single user experience. Get people in to work together. > absolutely #lrnchat
6:37:13 pm xpconcept: Conversation. Have one. Have many. These are interesting http://www.jellyvision.com #lrnchat
6:37:29 pm RayJimenez: RT @dbolen I agree 100% #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:37:30 pm Mary_a_Myers: @oxala75 can i join the justice league? (now that is fun) #lrnchat
6:37:31 pm oxala75: @mrch0mp3rs as long as I get to be Green Lantern. #lrnchat
6:37:31 pm moehlert: @jaycross #lrnchat Damn Jay. That was a good one.
6:37:34 pm JaneBozarth: Q3 Spend more time with the learners, not the other “stakeholders”. #lrnchat
6:37:46 pm gminks: @Quinnovator but for me to write something engaging, I need exp hardware & sw (because that is what I write training for) #lrnchat
6:37:47 pm NorthMetroSBDC: #lrnchat Games provide great opportunity to apply concepts in novel environments. Strips away “knowns” and they must rely on concepts.
6:37:50 pm nickfloro: Q3 Have to go with different ways to link in to learn, whether task, exercise, game, collaborative work. Offer as many as possible #lrnchat
6:37:59 pm RayJimenez: RT @xpconcept conversation is the new way of learning. #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:38:04 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks Aren’t you supposed to be doing your homework? #lrnchat
6:38:07 pm Quinnovator: it’s a swing, and a hit! RT @wlonline: Q3 Am making a wild pitch for pedagogical patterns #lrnchat
6:38:10 pm kasey428: RT @roninchef: Q3 Collaborative learning. Most CBTs are a single user experience. Get people in to work together. > absolutely #lrnchat
6:38:13 pm jsuzcampos: i think there is a big difference between engaging learning events and engaging ISD. ISD is a five-step acronym, not a party train #lrnchat
6:38:14 pm PhilMcCreight: Q3- Let the participants build their own “future” story #lrnchat
6:38:14 pm UpstateSCASTD: Q3- Let the participants build their own “future” story #lrnchat
6:38:25 pm gminks: although virtualization is helping that so much (yay #vmware), it takes time to figure out how to design virtualized labs #lrnchat
6:38:26 pm xpconcept: Create meaningful intersections. Nothing MUST be irrelevant or boring. #lrnchat
6:38:39 pm mrch0mp3rs: @oxala75 And I was just about to make a Sinestro/lecturing crack.. #lrnchat
6:38:41 pm kasey428: RT @JaneBozarth: Q3 Spend more time with the learners, not the other “stakeholders”. AMEN #lrnchat
6:38:45 pm oxala75: @Mary_a_Myers absolutely! #lrnchat
6:38:52 pm kellygarber: oh crap, someone else wants a piece of us? RT @gminks: we have a UNION!! what?? #lrnchat
6:38:54 pm ThomasStone: Q3: relevant WIIFMs, mixed interactives, relevant rich media, branching sims… are a start #lrnchat
6:38:57 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth I dont care about defining “worth analysis” and “worthy performance” meh #lrnchat
6:39:01 pm wlonline: @atsc Yes we are talking about creating patterns for learning designs, sharing, using them in practice and refining the patterns #lrnchat
6:39:08 pm NicoleLazzaro: @Quinnovator to *care* is an emotion. Emotional engagement is vital to instructional design. #lrnchat
6:39:09 pm RayJimenez: @xpconcept This is the final standard of all #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:39:15 pm bschlenker: @NicoleLazzaro LOVE your web site http://www.xeodesign.com Are you working on Serious Games too? #lrnchat
6:39:20 pm lasic: @oxala75 We are then talking about how to change ‘marriage’. Ontological rethink needed, not ‘how to make school better’? #lrnchat
6:39:21 pm NorthMetroSBDC: RT @lrnchat: Q3) (How) Do we make instructional design more engaging? #lrnchat
6:39:28 pm edwsonoma: RT @jsuzcampos: big difference betw/ engaging learning events &engaging ISD. SD is a five-step acronym, not a party train #lrnchat
6:39:36 pm RayJimenez: @UpstateSCASTD And share their stories #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:39:37 pm rpannoni: RT @Quinnovator @jsuzcampos We ignore the motivational (affective/conative) side at our peril. Who learns best when they dont care? #lrnchat
6:39:49 pm gminks: RT @klowey22: RT @roninchef: Q3 Collaborative learning. Most CBTs are a single user experience. Get people in to work together. #lrnchat
6:39:51 pm bschlenker: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q3) Relevant. Just please, make it relevant. Oh, and it shouldn’t suck. (via @moehlert)
6:39:51 pm Quinnovator: @gminks if you get design right, there are lots of ways to implement; if you don’t get design right, doesn’t matter how implement #lrnchat
6:39:55 pm LauraSkidmorA: Q3: relevant WIIFMs, mixed interactives, relevant rich media, branching sims… are a start #lrnchat
6:40:06 pm visualrinse: Q3) It’s gotta be easy. Too many sims and 3D worlds are intimidating and hard for the *average* user. Don’t make ’em game the game. #lrnchat
6:40:17 pm moehlert: @jsuzcampos #lrnchat Not sure I get what you’re aiming at….
6:40:31 pm JaneBozarth: ALL of you owe the ID Union your dues. Send them to: Jane Bozarth, Raleigh NC… #lrnchat
6:40:42 pm RayJimenez: @Quinnovator All tools can not replace good design #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:40:43 pm moehlert: RT @NicoleLazzaro: @Quinnovator to *care* is an emotion. Emotional engagement is vital to instructional design. #lrnchat
6:40:47 pm butwait: Oops, just got the “sweeties before tweeties” high sign, gotta go, but as usual, great & thought-provoking stuff here @ #lrnchat, THX!
6:40:48 pm atsc: @roninchef Yes collaboration! It is what our program is designed around… #lrnchat
6:41:00 pm Quinnovator: RT @NicoleLazzaro: @Quinnovator to *care* is an emotion. Emotional engagement is vital to instructional design. #lrnchat
6:41:13 pm kasey428: RT @visualrinse: Q3) …Too many sims and 3D worlds are intimidating and hard for the *average* user. Dont make em game the game. #lrnchat
6:41:15 pm NorthMetroSBDC: #lrnchat Biggest struggle for ISD is to get beyond compliance perception. Cities and governments have same problem. No one likes an auditor
6:41:21 pm KoreenOlbrish: design games. play to learn. change the world🙂 #lrnchat
6:41:22 pm NicoleLazzaro: @bschlenker Thanks. Absolutely. In fact Serious Fun is one of the 4 Keys, what players like the most about games. #lrnchat
6:41:23 pm bschlenker: @oxala75 @mrch0mp3rs Hey you 2! Wondertwin powers, ACTIVATE! #lrnchat
6:41:25 pm urbie: @lrnchat what’s good, what’s bad? Look at objective metrics’s not how ‘pretty’ it is. It starts with story. Technology can blind. Simple!
6:41:26 pm wlonline: @atsc Educational design and networked learning: Patterns, pattern languages and design practice #lrnchat http://tinyurl.com/kscjzq
6:41:34 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @Quinnovator @gminks if uget design rt, there r lots of ways 2 implement; if u don’t get design rt, doesn’t matter how implement #lrnchat
6:41:34 pm gminks: RT @JaneBozarth: ALL of you owe the ID Union your dues. Send them to: Jane Bozarth, Raleigh NC… #lrnchat
6:41:34 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks Is that your homework? Maybe we could use YOU as a case study! #lrnchat
6:41:35 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth check your mailbox for rattlesnakes #lrnchat
6:41:46 pm randomdazzle: I keep going back to learning is fundamentally fun and engaging. If people learn new and interesting things, they will be engaged. #lrnchat
6:41:54 pm kelly_smith01: Who elected JaneBozarth union rep? #lrnchat
6:41:54 pm jmarrapodi: RT @visualrinse: Q3) Its gotta B easy. 2 many sims & 3D worlds R intimidating & hard for the *avg* user. Dont make em game the game #lrnchat
6:41:55 pm bearclau: signing off tonight. Thx. #lrnchat
6:41:57 pm Erick1970: @Quinnovator Is that a rhetorical question? Of, course not, we don’t want real world experiences with those things. #lrnchat
6:41:57 pm mrch0mp3rs: Q3 How about designing to the level of performance that’s desired, not the leevel of performance that’s considered current state? #lrnchat
6:42:00 pm JaneBozarth: @jsuzcampos Not a party train? #lrnchat
6:42:02 pm atsc: @wlonline Hmmm interesting… I have called it something else and not patterns… I think “reuseable learning designs”. #lrnchat
6:42:11 pm jsuzcampos: @moehlert the application of the ISD model should be engaging, but the model itself, well, it can be ~dry~ #lrnchat
6:42:17 pm RayJimenez: Q3: Extra care with so many bells and whistles.. engaging has nothing to do these; ISD is over tooled, sadly of old tools #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:42:31 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: if you get design right, lots of ways to implement; if you dont get design right, doesnt matter how implement #lrnchat
6:42:32 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: design games. play to learn. change the world🙂 #lrnchat #ZenQuotes
6:42:34 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @atsc: @wlonline Hmmm interesting… I have called it something else and not patterns… I think “reuseable learning designs”. #lrnchat
6:42:44 pm jwillensky: @gminks @JaneBozarth Looks like I’ve created a monster. #IDunion #lrnchat
6:42:47 pm wlonline: @atsc Worth exploring further #lrnchat
6:42:55 pm oxala75: @bschlenker @mrch0mp3rs bwahaha. which one of us has to be the bucket of ice? #lrnchat
6:42:57 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator I’ll get a bird trap to catch the rattlesnakes, as earlier someone said the snake trap catches birds. #lrnchat
6:43:10 pm Quinnovator: RT @randomdazzle: learning is fundamentally fun and engaging. If people learn new and interesting things, they will be engaged. #lrnchat
6:43:17 pm Erick1970: RT @KoreenOlbrish: design games. play to learn. change the world🙂 #lrnchat
6:43:15 pm LorettaDonovan: RT @RayJimenez Q3: Extra care w/ so many bells + whistles.. engaging has nothing 2 do these;ISD is over tooled, sadly of old tools #lrnchat
6:43:25 pm jsuzcampos: @moehlert and the outcomes that ISD produces should be engaging, playful, meaningful, relevant, but ISD alone is a theory #lrnchat
6:43:30 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth that is some of it. Here is the work for THIS week: http://eme6691fall09.wikispaces.com/Module1Week2 #lrnchat
6:43:31 pm xpconcept: RT @wlonline – pattern language and patterns are an EXCELLENT way for our field to unify and improve (efficacy and credibility.) #lrnchat
6:43:32 pm kzenovka: @atsc #lrnchat Play while it may have rules, don’ t need goals -Huizinga circa1950. ID needs goals because objectives would get lonely.
6:43:33 pm Quinnovator: @kelly_smith01 elect? What makes you think this is some sort of weak-kneed democracy? #lrnchat
6:43:37 pm mrch0mp3rs: @oxala75 @bschlenker I had completely off-color choices for the ice/water option. #lrnchat
6:43:50 pm atsc: @wlonline Yes maybe in my PhD… #lrnchat
6:43:54 pm RayJimenez: @mrch0mp3rs Interesting .. i have been dreaming of reusables for years.. see http://www.simplifyel.com #lrnchat -time has come #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:44:04 pm gminks: #IDUnion FTW!!!!!!!!!!!! #lrnchat
6:44:10 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @KoreenOlbrish: design games. play to learn. change the world🙂 #lrnchat
6:44:10 pm kasey428: The WIIFM must be clear, and please make it fun.Well, maybe training for brain surgery would fall into the challenging category. #lrnchat
6:44:11 pm jsuzcampos: and maybe, i’m over thinking it. #lrnchat
6:44:16 pm bschlenker: @NicoleLazzaro Cool! What are you doing in Nov. 10-13? We have this little event called Devlearn in need of game-people #lrnchat
6:44:16 pm mobilemind: @randomdazzle some learning is fundamentally fun & engaging. some is survival (hand on hot stove). Compliance = corp. hot stove #lrnchat
6:44:18 pm Quinnovator: yes RT @Erick1970: @Quinnovator Is that rhetorical question? Of, course not, don’t want real world experiences with those things. #lrnchat
6:44:25 pm wlonline: Pedagogical patterns worth looking at http://bit.ly/20ogdP (Inactive but thr r new ones #lrnchat
6:44:33 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @jsuzcampos: the outcomes that ISD produces should be engaging, playful, meaningful, relevant, but ISD alone is a theory #lrnchat
6:44:42 pm mizminh: RT @andomdazzle ,,, back to learning is fundamentally fun and engaging.,, learn new and interesting things, they will be engaged. #lrnchat
6:44:42 pm oxala75: @lasic yep. #lrnchat
6:44:50 pm atsc: @wlonline I am interested in learning activities in online collaborative environments… #lrnchat
6:44:55 pm JaneBozarth: Ok I admit it: Once I figure out the hook/treatment I find the process pretty enjoyable/exhilarating. FLOW and all that. #lrnchat
6:45:03 pm mobilemind: survival learning is engaging, but often not fun #lrnchat
6:45:09 pm Erick1970: Q3) Think games, not “In this course you will learn, blah, blah, blah” & learning apps in a learnscape over courses. #lrnchat
6:45:11 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth why does this sound like a puzzle from the original colossal cave adventure? #lrnchat
6:45:25 pm moehlert: @jsuzcampos #lrnchat OK, I get it. And I think its dry because if u mean ISD=ADDIE then, that’s largely used for production right?
6:45:25 pm sahana2802: RT@jaycross: Q3. Let’s not forget that some learning involves innovating and creating new knowledge. It’s not all transfer. #lrnchat #yam
6:45:28 pm nickfloro: RT @randomdazzle: Learning is fundamentally fun and engaging. If people learn new and interesting things, they will be engaged. #lrnchat
6:45:29 pm NicoleLazzaro: Simulation games require multivariant inputs + outputs. Perfect to train citizens about Global Warming + AIDS. #lrnchat
6:45:39 pm xpconcept: Macro and micro scale problem solution pairs grown by a community of practicioners – group validation, growth, extension = patterns #lrnchat
6:45:42 pm bschlenker: RT @mobilemind: @randomdazzle some lrngg is fundmntally fun & engaging. some survival (hand on hot stove)Compliance=corp. hot stove #lrnchat
6:45:46 pm RayJimenez: @KoreenOlbrish Yup, and the ISD theory is killing the new borns. morbid. #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:45:50 pm kzenovka: @visualrinse #lrnchat giving Metaplace a try because of this. I can get more instructors in it than SL.
6:45:53 pm oxala75: @bschlenker @nicolelazzaro yes, it’s just a small gathering of a few friends… #lrnchat
6:46:02 pm kellygarber: @RayJimenez okay …first, you call us elephants and now an over tooled, old tool? (getting out the pea shooter) #lrnchat
6:46:18 pm oxala75: @mobilemind well put. #lrnchat
6:46:18 pm mrch0mp3rs: Wow, so I finally get to sit in for a bit on this lrnchat deal. This is what you kids go gaga for.. nice. #lrnchat
6:46:21 pm moehlert: RT @wlonline: Pedagogical patterns worth looking at http://bit.ly/20ogdP (Inactive but thr r new ones) #lrnchat #yam
6:46:21 pm JaneBozarth: @kelly_smith01 ELECTED? What kind of system do you think we’re running here, buddy? #lrnchat
6:46:47 pm cammybean: RT @jsuzcampos: the outcomes that ISD produces should be engaging, playful, meaningful, relevant, but ISD alone is a theory #lrnchat
6:46:49 pm kelly_smith01: Of course who said learning you job has to be “fun” afterall it is your job #lrnchat
6:46:55 pm kzenovka: @visualrinse #lrnchat but is being able to do training in a simulation a 21st century skill?
6:46:56 pm jwillensky: @JaneBozarth Have you been reading Csikszentmihalyi? I know I haven’t. #lrnchat
6:47:07 pm oxala75: @mrch0mp3rs is this your 1st #lrnchat? how is that possible?
6:47:12 pm RayJimenez: @kellygarber US, me too.. old me.. ha ha ha.. but we need to laugh at ourselves.. smile #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:47:13 pm wlonline: @atsc There’s lots of interest in online collaborative learnings for e.g even use of #lrnchat
6:47:22 pm kasey428: Thx people. Great exchange. I am beat and have work to do. C’ya next week! Kay Wood, DC area. #lrnchat
6:47:26 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator Sorry which what? #lrnchat
6:47:31 pm mrch0mp3rs: Question: if learning is fundamentally fun/engaging, why does it need to be “designed?” #lrnchat
6:47:35 pm Quinnovator: @mobilemind survival learning has high motivation. Does need some scaffolding however; challenge has to be in *right* range #lrnchat
6:47:50 pm bschlenker: @oxala75 Maybe this year – we do lrnchat LIVE during @demofest – good times! #lrnchat
6:47:56 pm mrch0mp3rs: @oxala75 This is like the worst timeslot in the world on any given weeknight. 2 kids, commute… horror. #lrnchat
6:48:00 pm oxala75: @kelly_smith01 says so in my contract. wouldn’t believe the haggling over the brown M&Ms, though. #lrnchat
6:48:04 pm roninchef: I gotta scoot out a little early on this one. Mason in Maine saying good night #lrnchat
6:48:04 pm atsc: @wlonline These patterns seem to be related to research from JISC on Learning Design #lrnchat
6:48:12 pm wlonline: Anyone else interested in pedagogical patterns and pattern language, pls let us network #lrnchat
6:48:13 pm kelly_smith01: Sorry JaneBozarth, I gus I watch to much History channel of the AFL/CIO & UMW #lrnchat
6:48:17 pm oxala75: @bschlenker that would be awesome. #lrnchat
6:48:25 pm JaneBozarth: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Question: if learning is fundamentally fun/engaging, why does it need to be “designed?” #lrnchat
6:48:30 pm bschlenker: @kasey428 G’night Kay – Great to see you this week! #lrnchat
6:48:38 pm jmarrapodi: @mrch0mp3rs Because sometimes fun has to be planned. Ever host a kid’s birthday party? #lrnchat
6:48:40 pm wlonline: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @mrch0mp3rs: Question: if learning is fundamentally fun/engaging, why does it need to be “designed?” #lrnchat
6:48:41 pm jsuzcampos: @Quinnovator @mobilemind scaffolding is *key* #lrnchat
6:48:55 pm mrch0mp3rs: Would ISD be more engaging if we were “experience” designers? #lrnchat
6:48:59 pm Quinnovator: @NicoleLazzaro and complex decision making in things more mundane like sales, customer service, emergency response, … #lrnchat
6:49:02 pm oxala75: @mrch0mp3rs cuz getting *to* learning is not necessarily like falling into a lake #lrnchat
6:49:03 pm atsc: @mrch0mp3rs As students need direction and guidance through facilitation and good design of the path… #lrnchat
6:49:25 pm kellygarber: @kelly_smith01 if I’m not engaged, I’m not paying attention. If I don’t pay attention I don’t learn my job – who does that hurt? #lrnchat
6:49:45 pm RayJimenez: @mrch0mp3rs Thats a great question! Designers are interpreters like tailors..they can really do bad designs.. missing mark #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:49:45 pm oxala75: @mrch0mp3rs yeah, true. i know there was once talk of an alternate time slot, but i guess that died out. #lrnchat
6:49:56 pm atsc: @mrch0mp3rs Jumping out of a plane is an experience but what do I learn while doing it? #lrnchat
6:49:58 pm Mary_a_Myers: @jmarrapodi great answer! #lrnchat
6:50:04 pm Erick1970: RT @jsuzcampos: @Quinnovator @mobilemind scaffolding is *key* Yes, it is. #lrnchat
6:50:05 pm bschlenker: @jmarrapodi Yes. But all you plan is the environment – Kids bring their own fun! #lrnchat
6:50:15 pm oxala75: @mrch0mp3rs maybe if we consistently thought of ourselves that way, yes. #lrnchat
6:50:20 pm xpconcept: Think of trng as primer / wax. All that color (experience) and the clearcoat (mastery) happens in the real world. #lrnchat
6:50:25 pm mobilemind: if answer is just to make it all fun & engaging, why aren’t our day jobs all candy & rainbows? reality happens. #lrnchat
6:50:27 pm jmarrapodi: RT @atsc: @mrch0mp3rs As students need direction and guidance through facilitation and good design of the path… #lrnchat
6:50:29 pm mrch0mp3rs: @oxala75 Getting to learning, ain’t like dusting crops… you come out of hyperspace with the wrong goal/objective, that’d end quik #lrnchat
6:50:39 pm RayJimenez: @mrch0mp3rs We tend to focus on production, lose sight of the grit. #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:50:40 pm sahana2802: RT@JaneBozarth: Question: if learning is fundamentally fun/engaging, why does it need to be “designed?” #lrnchat
6:50:42 pm alexismac: Actually attending the trad class delivery before creating eLearning version is the only way to rapid engaging ID. Q3 #lrnchat
6:50:45 pm kellygarber: @RayJimenez well alright then – self abuse is permitted, I’ll put away the weapons.🙂 #lrnchat
6:50:48 pm carmean: @mrch0mp3rs It (sometimes) needs to be designed because we don’t already know what it is that we could learn – but an SME does. #lrnchat
6:50:50 pm lasic: @oxala75 Until we curb comfortable addiction to certainty people get elected on… very hard #lrnchat
6:50:51 pm Quinnovator: @mrch0mp3rs ywell YES, learning experience design. what did you think we were talking about?🙂 #lrnchat
6:50:52 pm JaneBozarth: @mrch0mp3rs Silly rabbit. It needs to be ‘designed’ to take the fun out of it. #lrnchat
6:51:08 pm jsuzcampos: ISD designs SOLUTIONS, achieved through learning events. Not all learning needs to be designed. Some does. ISD can help. #lrnchat
6:51:13 pm xpconcept: @Rayjimenez – bad tailors are spotted by their customers. Bad ID’s not always. #lrnchat
6:51:13 pm moehlert: @atsc #lrnchat Pave the deer paths. Learners are already finding their way..sometime AROUND our products.
6:51:19 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
6:51:27 pm oxala75: @mrch0mp3rs i’m totally going to fit a Millennium Falcon reference into my job description. #lrnchat
6:51:29 pm wlonline: Quote Einstein: Play is the highest form of research #lrnchat
6:51:33 pm NicoleLazzaro: @Quinnovator and sales/cust serv/EMTs all require emotion profiles suited to the tasks #lrnchat
6:51:41 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Quinnovator thought the question was ltd to “ID” #lrnchat
6:51:43 pm rpannoni: RT @atsc: @mrch0mp3rs ‘Jumping out of a plane is an experience but what do I learn while doing it?’ …To bring a chute. #lrnchat
6:51:45 pm bschlenker: RT @JaneBozarth: @mrch0mp3rs Silly rabbit. It needs to be designed to take the fun out of it. #lrnchat
6:51:47 pm 360Kid: @KoreenOlbrish @moehlert @center4EduPunx @OnlineG3 @annie54 @Aminhotep Thx 4 the RT! #edu #edtech #videogames #teaching #education #lrnchat
6:52:06 pm jsuzcampos: @sahana2802 Hi Sahana, when did you get here? So good to *see* you! #lrnchat
6:52:06 pm oxala75: @jsuzcampos true. sometimes the solutions just need to be pointed at. have done that a few times. #lrnchat
6:52:09 pm media1der: wow … go away for an evening and y’all are jumping out of airplanes … (hopefully they learned to pull the rip cord!) #lrnchat
6:52:12 pm xpconcept: The experience is designed. Learning is done at the other end:) #lrnchat
6:52:12 pm mrch0mp3rs: @oxala75 Star Wars Instructional Design Guide… up next😉 #lrnchat
6:52:15 pm Quinnovator: @mobilemind don’t confuse hard fun with candy and rainbows. And don’t confuse just fun with engaging learning! #lrnchat
6:52:17 pm JaneBozarth: @sahana2802 Hi glad you made it. What time is it there?#lrnchat
6:52:36 pm JaneBozarth: RT @oxala75: @mrch0mp3rs i’m totally going to fit a Millennium Falcon reference into my job description. #lrnchat
6:52:38 pm jwillensky: @kzenovka @JaneBozarth Not me! In real life, I just call him “the guy who wrote Flow.” #lrnchat
6:52:41 pm moehlert: @mrch0mp3rs #lrnchat It’s not like shooting wombats from your landspeeder. Oh and Greedo shot first.
6:52:47 pm Quinnovator: Wow, time flies. RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
6:52:54 pm cammybean: RT @xpconcept: @Rayjimenez – bad tailors are spotted by their customers. Bad ID’s not always. #lrnchat
6:52:59 pm moehlert: RT @smbrown: Dartmouth prof. gets grant to design library archive tagging game (via MIT libraries/Facebook) http://bit.ly/s3eIS #lrnchat
6:53:01 pm JaneBozarth: RT @atsc: @mrch0mp3rs ‘Jumping out of a plane is an experience but what do I learn while doing it?’ …To bring a chute. #lrnchat
6:53:09 pm jsuzcampos: Brilliant! The experience is designed. Learning is done at the other end RT @xpconcept #lrnchat
6:53:12 pm atsc: @moehlert I don’t disagree with you, but they can’t create their own direction. They don’t know what they don’t know! #lrnchat
6:53:13 pm vijeesh: Not every learner has the same IQ & ability 2 learn, 4 sum it has 2 B made simpler & less technical. in such cases we need 2 design #lrnchat
6:53:31 pm RayJimenez: @kellygarber Love you, fondly, thanks for rattle snake here. #lrnchat
6:53:35 pm doctumlearning: @lrnchat Long time #lrnchat lurker, new rapid eLearning tool developer, trying to acquaint myself with the thought leaders here. good stuff!
6:53:36 pm wlonline: RT @Quinnovator: Wow, time flies. RT @lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
6:53:52 pm Quinnovator: thanks to all for great #Lrnchat y’all come back now, ya hear?
6:53:56 pm carmean: @rpannoni Chute: learn early, learn fast. #lrnchat
6:53:58 pm alexismac: Must sign off to watch severe T Storm developing in Edmonton (and to find headlamp just in case)… Alexis MacMillan, great #lrnchat !
6:53:59 pm RayJimenez: Qwrap – Ray Jimenez, Pasadena, http://www.vignettestraining.com, love lrnchat, learning about myself #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:54:06 pm atsc: @atsc Sorry they can’t know what they don’t know… #lrnchat
6:54:08 pm jmarrapodi: Jean Marrapodi, Learning Architect from Providence, RI. Still open for ID topics people want to learn about at ELG #AG10 ID Zone. #lrnchat
6:54:14 pm vijeesh: RT @atsc: @mrch0mp3rs ‘Jumping out of a plane is an experience but what do I learn while doing it?’ …To bring a chute. #lrnchat
6:54:18 pm xpconcept: Steve Flowers – USCG Experience Mediator / Learning Assist Tech. Still time to reg for Free HPT workshop. http://www.uscghpt.org/ #lrnchat
6:54:25 pm kzenovka: @jwillensky #lrnchat Csikzentmihaly I do something equally clever.
6:54:25 pm VWROI: @jwillensky #lrnchat Csikzentmihaly I do something equally clever.
6:54:27 pm visualrinse: eLearning and web dev, Flash/Flex advocate. blogger, likes talking with you all. Located in Peoria, IL. #lrnchat
6:54:29 pm NorthMetroSBDC: #lrnchat Chris from Colorado, Entrepreneurship and Accounting Instructor and consultant. I’m from the government and I’m here to help.🙂
6:54:34 pm tgrevatt: Treena in Ottawa – does anyone have data on pros of using Twitter for conf promo? Need support info to encourage client to adopt. #lrnchat
6:54:37 pm moehlert: @atsc #lrnchat I hear ya too but sometimes they’ve found that out on their own-talking to peers, looking around..they’re not waiting on us.
6:54:41 pm kelly_smith01: RT YES-Quinnovator @mobilemind don’t confuse hard fun with candy and rainbows. And don’t confuse just fun with engaging lesrning #lrnchat
6:54:49 pm atsc: @vijeesh Agreed… In fact learning is a skill… hmmm we need to talk about the meta skills… #lrnchat
6:54:53 pm oxala75: Reintro: craig wiggins, DC-area elearning jockey for the fed’ral gubmint. storyteller, potential Green Lantern. #lrnchat
6:54:54 pm bschlenker: Brent Schlenker – Arizona – DevLearn09 Host – Love all things learning! New Media and Technology Analyst, The eLearning Guild #lrnchat
6:55:06 pm media1der: @vijeesh 4 sum it has 2 B made simpler & less technical.<<– that’s what good tech writers do! #lrnchat
6:55:16 pm sahana2802: Qwrap-Sahana from Pune, India. Instructional designer. Love these sessions. #lrnchat
6:55:22 pm kellygarber: Qwrap – Kelly, ISD in hiding …freelance, call me for a good (that just isn’t going to sound right) … #lrnchat
6:55:22 pm jwillensky: Good night! Thanks for another great #lrnchat. Jason Willensky, Phoenix AZ.
6:55:24 pm mobilemind: my quote today: I objective to you calling my Destructional Design crapid learning, it just ain’t SCO. #lrnchat
6:55:25 pm Quinnovator: RT @jsuzcampos: Brilliant! The experience is designed. Learning is done at the other end RT @xpconcept #lrnchat
6:55:26 pm everyselearning: This first timer must go prepare dinner. It’s been fun. Thanks! #lrnchat
6:55:38 pm RayJimenez: Ray Jimenez here.. need collaborators for Reusables .. thanks. #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:55:43 pm gminks: Gina in Boston, need help time shifting!🙂 #lrnchat
6:55:50 pm wlonline: @atsc There’s still ongoing stuff and there’s also Cloudworks or scape #lrnchat
6:55:59 pm jsuzcampos: QWrap) Jeannette from #redsox nation. Dyed-in-the-wool instructional designer, grad instructor, small business owner. THANK you #lrnchat
6:56:00 pm JaneBozarth: Raleigh, author, ID person, trainer, doctor–but not the kind who helps people. #lrnchat Oh and President/Treasurer of new ID Union.
6:56:10 pm bschlenker: RT @mobilemind: my quote today: I objective to you calling my Destructional Design crapid learning, it just aint SCO. #lrnchat
6:56:11 pm Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers – Learning Strategist/ID by day…new media/emerging tech hound by night. looking for my inner super hero b4 #devlearn #lrnchat
6:56:13 pm oxala75: @everyselearning hope to see you next week! #lrnchat
6:56:17 pm mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, disruptive Chicagoan rocking the big ideas in social learning, SCORM expert and hugger. #lrnchat
6:56:22 pm ThomasStone: If new for you, see a diff. ID approach: Critical Mistakes Analysis, from Cognitive Arts http://bit.ly/4WSlM #lrnchat
6:56:35 pm RayJimenez: Qwrap: I learn more when I dig depper, throw-away old ways, find new solutions #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:56:40 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith betweeen gigs – I “think” I will return to ID land – Plano, TX Love lrnchat big help 2 me #lrnchat
6:56:41 pm wlonline: WL Wong, ICT. University, Sydney. Interested in teaching and learning – innovative and creative ideas, etc #lrnchat
6:56:42 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat Kae from Colorado playing at being an embedded instructional designer.
6:56:50 pm media1der: RT @mobilemind: my quote today: I objective to you calling my Destructional Design crapid learning, it just aint SCO. <–LOL! #lrnchat
6:56:51 pm atsc: Andrew from Sydney, I just generally need help in this crazy Ed Developer/ID world! #lrnchat
6:56:53 pm mobilemind: Tom King; Seattle, WA; Designated curmudgeon today, ISD & Software Evangelist tomorrow #lrnchat
6:56:53 pm sahana2802: Love the response: RT @jsuzcampos: The experience is designed. Lrng is done at the other end. #lrnchat
6:56:57 pm moehlert: #lrnchat re-intro Mark Oehlert…broadcasting from outside Washington DC. SoMe and Virtual Worlds. Help me here http://tinyurl.com/nlvudl
6:57:08 pm ThomasStone: RT @mobilemind: my quote today: I objective to you calling my Destructional Design crapid learning, it just aint SCO. #lrnchat
6:57:28 pm moehlert: RT @chetty: RT @ConnectedK6: 3D videoconferencing system http://vimeo.com/5812643 #lrnchat
6:57:37 pm kellygarber: RT @mobilemind: my quote today: I objective to you calling my Destructional Design crapid learning, it just ain’t SCO. #lrnchat
6:57:44 pm rpannoni: If anyone knows any communities, orgs or events specifically for training managers, let me know. #lrnchat
6:57:54 pm RayJimenez: @ThomasStone I love you funny Tom #lrnchat #lrnchat
6:58:04 pm carmean: Colleen in Phx. Knowledge architect and yes, still an e-learning designer. Night all. #lrnchat
6:58:05 pm Erick1970: @ThomasStone I am familiar with CA’s mistake approach. #lrnchat
6:58:13 pm ThomasStone: signing off… Tom Stone, from Element K, see blog at http://blog.elementk.com/ #lrnchat
6:58:16 pm atsc: @sahana2802 Yes the students should ultimately design their own learning… #lrnchat
6:58:34 pm vijeesh: Qwrap-Vijeesh-Bangalore, India, Designing Instructions! LOL! Trying to wake up early every Friday to join! #lrnchat
6:58:52 pm RayJimenez: @moehlert Great stuff thanks for leading lrnchat. Ray #lrnchat
6:58:53 pm jsuzcampos: Credit to @Quinnovator (not me!) for “The experience is designed. Learning is done at the other end. ” #lrnchat RT @sahana2802
6:58:55 pm randomdazzle: Robby Robson: Corvallis, Oregon. I think I am a semantic technologist but I don’t know what that means. #lrnchat
6:59:05 pm oxala75: good night, #lrnchat! am off to the hammock.
6:59:05 pm JaneBozarth: Qwrap: Oh and I can do SCORM in 5 colors.#lrnchat
6:59:05 pm RayJimenez: @JaneBozarth Great stuff thanks for leading lrnchat. Ray #lrnchat
6:59:14 pm media1der: Chris Willis, CEO Media 1 (W. Michigan, USA, custom learning consultancy) blog – http://www.practicalcreativity.us #lrnchat
6:59:18 pm RayJimenez: @Quinnovator Great stuff thanks for leading lrnchat. Ray #lrnchat
6:59:29 pm nickfloro: Nick from Washington Crossing PA. Love learning and teaching… Great discussion! #lrnchat
6:59:36 pm NicoleLazzaro: As a game design consultant I dig deep into the emotions around play. Founder of http://xeodesign.com Free white papers! #lrnchat
6:59:43 pm atsc: Bye all! This was a valuable experience and a real damn fine use of twitter. Gotta run to a lunch date… #lrnchat
6:59:48 pm JaneBozarth: Hope the newcomers enjoyed #lrnchat it’s the best 90 mins of my week.
6:59:54 pm wlonline: Thanks everyone for another constructive collaborative session- knowledge co-construction #lrnchat
6:59:57 pm vijeesh: RT @jsuzcampos: Brilliant! The experience is designed. Learning is done at the other end RT @xpconcept #lrnchat
6:59:59 pm mrch0mp3rs: @JaneBozarth That line was the best… #lrnchat

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