Transcript of #lrnchat August 27 2009

8:32:22 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How’ve you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
8:33:02 pm barrykrauss: DC Metro / e-learning / moodle #lrnchat
8:33:36 pm JaneBozarth: Jane Bozarth, Raleigh, ID, trainer, Dr. of Knowledge, learnavore, author #lrnchat
8:33:45 pm mkfrie: Mark Friedman here, Advanced Technologies for Joint Knowledge Online – #LRNCHAT
8:33:53 pm gminks: I’m Gina, near Boston where we may get a hurricane & its all Canada’s fault. I develop tech courses on how to manage data centers #lrnchat
8:33:53 pm oxala75: craig wiggins. e-learning jockey for the gubmint. Alexandria VA. #lrnchat
8:33:59 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
8:33:59 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
8:34:02 pm kasey428: Are we on yet? #lrnchat/
8:34:05 pm klowey22: john hovell, washington dc, knowledge mgmt #lrnchat
8:34:05 pm roninchef: Mason Masteka, Elearning developer and Open Source advocate. Portland ME. Hi everyone! #lrnchat
8:34:25 pm ThomasStone: Ditto RT @damonregan: Ill be participating in #lrnchat for the next few hours. Please join us http://sn.im/lrnchat #lrnchat
8:34:26 pm barrykrauss: @rylincoln consider this for your conversion http://www.bostig.com #lrnchat
8:34:35 pm JaneBozarth: RT @gminks: I’m Gina, near Boston where we may get a hurricane & its all Canada’s fault. #lrnchat
8:34:42 pm gminks: @kasey428 hey girl!🙂 #lrnchat
8:34:58 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith – Performance Improvement Helper (consultant) Plano TX #lrnchat
8:35:13 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in.
8:35:27 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Mark Oehlert here from outside Washington DC – Innovation, Emerging Tech, KM/KS, virtual worlds – you know – same old same old🙂
8:35:29 pm ThomasStone: Tom Stone, Product Design Architect at Element K. Just returned from trip to DC, including SALT conference and some vacation time! #lrnchat
8:35:35 pm tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons, e-learning production designer, Ames, IA #lrnchat
8:35:36 pm edwsonoma: #lrnchat ellen wagner west coast learning dillitante
8:35:40 pm klowey22: @kasey428 hi kay! #lrnchat
8:36:11 pm damonregan: Damon Regan here. In Orlando, FL. No specific focus. #lrnchat
8:36:41 pm J_Schulz: John Schulz, Chicago, Learning Tech/Performance Consulting #lrnchat
8:36:43 pm SandyAdam: First timer at #lrnchat Sandy Adam (G_Blackburn), eMarketing Sigma-Aldrich Chem, virtual world evangalist, social media expert in progress
8:37:09 pm stickylearning: Hi all Michael Eury, Learning Design Melbourne Australia, looking forward to # lrnchat. Juggling Childcare and tweets could be tough though!
8:37:18 pm marciamarcia: Marcia Conner, social learning & enterprise social media gadfly (in a good way, I hope). Also, @lrnchat alterego. #lrnchat
8:37:19 pm lrnchat: 6) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com, http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well.
8:37:37 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, Walnut Creek CA, learning experience design fanatic, gun-for hire: mobile, games, strategy, informal, more… Q0 #lrnchat
8:38:09 pm Quinnovator: welcome to all new and old #lrnchat participants! time for fun, learning, etc
8:38:09 pm moehlert: Hi all #lrnchat folks – non-#lrnchat’ers – for about the next 90 mins – lots of tweets on learning and training – jump in!
8:38:12 pm lrnchat: 7) 5 min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
8:38:16 pm ethankuniyoshi: Ethan Kuniyoshi, San Francisco Bay Area. Grad stu at SFSU ITEC program (graduating in dec) software developer, K-12 ed, elearning #lrnchat
8:38:25 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, Client Engagement Mgr, DC area, performance consultant and instructional designer #lrnchat
8:38:29 pm lmockford: Lorraine Mockford here from Nova Scotia, where hurricanes happen each Sunday. #lrnchat
8:38:40 pm Quinnovator: and don’t forget the #lrnchat drinking game (thanks to @moehlert): http://lrnchatdrinkinggame.wikispaces.com/
8:38:52 pm damonregan: Ok @mkfrie my focus is trying to understand the future of learning so I guess I’m interest in research findings #lrnchat
8:38:53 pm kasey428: @klowey22 Hi, good to see you here! #lrnchat
8:39:03 pm moehlert: #lrnchat I also have waaaaayy too many tabs open BTW
8:39:06 pm usablelearning: julie dirksen general ID-geekery elearning minneapolis 4 minutes #lrnchat
8:39:20 pm tjmeister: Trevor Meister Edmonton Canada exploring and developing Opensim(& soon Wonderland )based immersive educational spaces and tools. #lrnchat
8:39:44 pm damonregan: @Quinnovator sweet… going to grab a Red Stripe now #lrnchat
8:39:44 pm klowey22: i’m trying tweetchat this time and liking it better than tweetgrid… #lrnchat
8:39:53 pm moehlert: #lrnchat spking of drinking – all those #lrnchat folks in the DC area, we need a DC Tweetup!
8:40:05 pm roninchef: @moehlert That why I do this on 2 computers. Gotta make room for all the tabs. #lrnchat
8:40:11 pm row4it: RT @row4it: Kevin Bruny, CLO of Local government in Virginia. Been several weeks but look forward to the learning this evening #lrnchat
8:40:12 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert you drink Tab? Not surprised you can’t finish them… #lrnchat
8:40:16 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator I don’t think of it as a “game”, Clark. #lrnchat
8:40:18 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome, also check out @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:40:23 pm stickylearning: Hi all Michael Eury, Learning Design Melbourne Australia, looking forward to #lrnchat. Juggling Childcare and tweets could be tough though!
8:40:27 pm klowey22: @moehlert i’m in mark! #lrnchat
8:40:38 pm Quinnovator: @damonregan got a Lagunitas IPA myself #lrnchat
8:40:45 pm odguru: Christy Pettit – guelph, canada. knowledge networks, mentoring, communities of practice and performance measurement. Back at the #lrnchat!
8:40:48 pm JaneBozarth: Husband needs the other computer so I am going tabcrazy on one screen #lrnchat
8:41:05 pm moehlert: @tjmeister Great to have you along Trevor! #lrnchat Love to get some more VW thoughts going on…
8:41:17 pm barrykrauss: @moehlert I’m in for a DC tweetup #lrnchat
8:41:24 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth It is more of a lifestyle then. #lrnchat
8:41:35 pm moehlert: #lrnchat For the Record: Clipper City Gold Ale on deck tonight
8:41:37 pm JaneBozarth: Learned today the ease and power of using Cafepress to set up one’s own shop loaded with one’s own merchandise. #lrnchat
8:41:58 pm oxala75: i learned how to write a cost proposal. #lrnchat
8:42:12 pm gminks: I have learned not to allow other people to make me feel like I should be silent about important topics #lrnchat
8:42:15 pm Quinnovator: Q0 #lrnchat #lrn2day learned the value of prep and detailed questioning in project discussion!
8:42:16 pm JaneBozarth: Also learning lots of new PowerPoint tricks; some woulda made life easier awhile back.. #lrnchat
8:42:26 pm moehlert: @roninchef #lrnchat Wow. I haven’t run over onto two computers yet – just keep getting bigger monitors
8:42:27 pm J_Schulz: I learned that sometimes there’s no easy way to make an old course SCORM compliant. #lrnchat
8:42:35 pm ThomasStone: Q0: My prev. week was all about learning! toured several Smithsonian museums, DC memorials and monuments, etc. #lrnchat
8:42:38 pm barrykrauss: anyone have experience with sloodle? #lrnchat
8:42:47 pm kasey428: I’m getting real-time search results at TweetGrid http://tweetgrid.com/ #lrnchat
8:43:09 pm JaneBozarth: RT @gminks: I have learned not to allow other people to make me feel like I should be silent about important topics #lrnchat
8:43:15 pm klowey22: learned (more) today the value of prep and approach for exec meetings #lrnchat
8:43:17 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:43:25 pm stickylearning: I learnt that cats fighting outside my window at night make me sleepy in the morning #lrnchat
8:43:25 pm gminks: @ThomasStone that sounds like nice learning! #lrnchat
8:43:30 pm row4it: #lrnchat, I learned my county is creating SM policy for citizens, but won’t allow employee access…bummer!
8:43:30 pm kelly_smith01: #lrnchat learning applications of mlearning in “business & industry” #lrnchat
8:43:35 pm odguru: Q0: Learn(ing) the advanced art of socratic questioning. #lrnchat
8:43:47 pm JaneBozarth: I’m using itweet.net for #lrnchat tonight and happy with it
8:43:52 pm odguru: RT @gminks: I have learned not to allow other people to make me feel like I should be silent about important topics #lrnchat
8:43:54 pm tjmeister: This week I learned how to connect a web based spreadsheet to a Virtual Inworld representation of it …now the fun begins… #lrnchat
8:44:00 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator I don’t think of it as a “game”, Clark. #lrnchat
8:44:04 pm gminks: oh wait – I also learned that this semester is going to be BUSY BUSY BUSY #lrnchat
8:44:10 pm moehlert: @techherding @marciamarcia I love my computer. All my friends are in it. #lrnchat
8:44:13 pm damonregan: @lrn2day I’ve learned again that when I think people read my messages isn’t when they read them. #lrnchat
8:44:16 pm mkfrie: I learned late last week at ifest, to question what the half-life of a traditional courseware is. Some convinced me quite short #lrnchat
8:44:20 pm JaneBozarth: RT @lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:44:32 pm usablelearning: learned that the free microsoft movie editor will do everything I need for 800 dollars less than adobe premiere #lrnchat
8:44:44 pm ethankuniyoshi: @gminks totally agree #lrnchat
8:44:49 pm dwilkinsnh: learned a lot about PPT templates and that sometimes the best way to gain influence is to give up control #lrnchat
8:44:51 pm JaneBozarth: RT @techherding @marciamarcia I love my computer. All my friends are in it. #lrnchat
8:45:00 pm klowey22: learned that twebevent is a pretty great way to mashup live video and twitter at a live event #lrnchat
8:45:03 pm mkfrie: I learned this week, how valuable a quad i7 desktop with two 22″ lcds can be for elearning. #LRNCHAT
8:45:11 pm lmockford: Work for college, supporting online & blended learning. #lrnchat
8:45:12 pm moehlert: @tjmeister #lrnchat Awesome
8:45:13 pm kasey428: I learned that it takes a long time for some people to ‘get it,’ but they do get it eventually…social media, that is. #lrnchat
8:45:27 pm tonya_simmons: I learned that VISTA isn’t really as bad as everyone makes it out to be #lrnchat
8:45:28 pm marciamarcia: @moehlert I’ll likely be in for Gov2.0 Summit & @dctwestival Thu Sept 10. Maybe opp for combo tweetup w/ #lrnchat
8:45:38 pm gminks: RT @klowey22: learned that twebevent is a pretty great way to mashup live video and twitter at a live event #lrnchat
8:45:41 pm kelly_smith01: Finding folks I want to follow via Twitter #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:45:51 pm JaneBozarth: He doesn’t know it yet, but tonight my husband is going to learn to turn down the dialing-beep- sounds on the cordless phone #lrnchat
8:45:52 pm roninchef: I learned that if I take baby steps with collaboration tools, my team will accept them. #lrnchat
8:45:59 pm gminks: RT @kasey428: I learned that it takes a long time for some people to get it, but they do get it eventually…social media, that is. #lrnchat
8:46:03 pm J_Schulz: @tonya_simmons Give it time!😉 #lrnchat
8:46:15 pm wlonline: Hello everyone! #lrnchat
8:46:28 pm JaneBozarth: We seem to have misplaced @koreenolbrish #lrnchat
8:46:34 pm JaneBozarth: Careless. #lrnchat
8:46:35 pm kasey428: RT @roninchef: I learned that if I take baby steps with collaboration tools, my team will accept them. #lrnchat
8:46:53 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @odguru: #lrnchat Topic: state of workplace learning: politics, influence, what needs to be done. Join us @ 8:30ET/5:30 PT
8:46:59 pm tonya_simmons: @J_Schulz it’s only been two days since we’ve had the new machine, so yeah, I’m waiting #lrnchat
8:47:12 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia #lrnchat Nice!
8:47:17 pm JaneBozarth: Tell more? RT @roninchef: I learned that if I take baby steps with collaboration tools, my team will accept them. #lrnchat
8:47:18 pm jwillensky: Q0 I learned (again) how heart-wrenching it is to have to miss #lrnchat . Have a great evening, #lrnchat posse!
8:47:39 pm SandyAdam: #lrnchat Learned about QAlias and MerchantCircle at social media webinar, unimpressed with both so far
8:48:05 pm lmockford: I continue to learn the value of my PLN — thanks y’all #lrnchat
8:48:05 pm kasey428: @marciamarcia I want to know the Gov 2.0 Summit goes. Wish I could be there. #lrnchat
8:48:17 pm ThomasStone: LOL… or maybe she misplaced herself? Why blame ourselves? RT @JaneBozarth: We seem to have misplaced @koreenolbrish #lrnchat
8:48:33 pm JaneBozarth: @jwillensky It wrenches our hearts not to have you here. I think you’re just trying to weasel out of tending bar. #lrnchat
8:48:47 pm JaneBozarth: DittoRT @lmockford: I continue to learn the value of my PLN — thanks y’all #lrnchat
8:49:15 pm KoreenOlbrish: Sorry #lrnchat ! Still driving home from NYC!
8:49:18 pm klowey22: learned that dan pink votes for rowe (and google time) over incentives for collaboration #lrnchat
8:49:27 pm JaneBozarth: @ThomasStone Well of course you’re right. We are not to blame for her misplacement. Turns out she’s in a car coming back from NYC #lrnchat
8:49:31 pm gminks: me too!! RT @JaneBozarth: DittoRT @lmockford: I continue to learn the value of my PLN — thanks yall #lrnchat
8:49:38 pm marciamarcia: I love my computer. All my friends are in it. #lrnchat RT @moehlert <sweet & a lil' creepy
8:49:45 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat Check the couch cushions!
8:49:48 pm JaneBozarth: @KoreenOlbrish Oh look who turned up! #lrnchat
8:49:53 pm MariaOD: Hi, Maria from Columbus, Ohio. Go Bucks, Beat Navy!!!! #lrnchat
8:50:04 pm Quinnovator: btw, #lrnchat peeps, if you have questions for future #lrnchats , or themes, or, you can lodge them at the official site: http://bit.ly
8:50:28 pm JaneBozarth: @MariaOD Is that some sort of sports reference? #lrnchat
8:50:51 pm gminks: @MariaOD oh yay college football time! Y'all know my team!!! #lrnchat
8:50:57 pm jwillensky: @JaneBozarth I got demoted? "Blended learning." DRINK! #lrnchat
8:50:58 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia #lrnchat I think that's how my mom described me.
8:51:26 pm MariaOD: I learn that I hate MS Project 2003. I've always taught it and liked it but never had to use it. lol #lrnchat
8:51:27 pm gminks: @Quinnovator your url got mangled #lrnchat
8:51:32 pm tjmeister: @moehlert I also learned what a PITA it can be working with API s in LSL while possessing sketchy coding skillz #lrnchat
8:51:39 pm kelly_smith01: Having fun (so 2 speak) researching mlearning applications inclding design issues and LMS issues #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:51:49 pm gminks: this is just cheating RT @jwillensky: @JaneBozarth I got demoted? "Blended learning." DRINK! #lrnchat
8:51:52 pm odguru: Talked (LIVE!!) to @dwilkinsnh today about how the SoMe topic has enlivened forums (i.e. association chapters) long dormant. #lrnchat
8:51:56 pm MariaOD: @gminks I have tickets to OSU vs. Navy. #lrnchat
8:52:01 pm sahana2802: hi! just joining. Sahana from India, Pune. I am late. Will follow the tweets and try to catch up.#lrnchat
8:52:17 pm kasey428: RT @gminks: @MariaOD oh yay college football time! Yall know my team!!! Go UGA Bulldawgs! GO SEC!!!! #lrnchat
8:52:18 pm lrnchat: Q1) What is status of workplace learning & training in your organization? How didit get that way? #lrnchat
8:52:20 pm bschlenker: Dear #lrnchat – not in tonight due to the new xbox and Madden10 – w00t!
8:52:40 pm MariaOD: @JaneBozarth Ohio State playing Annapolis–first game! #lrnchat
8:52:42 pm moehlert: @klowey22 @barrykrauss #lrnchat Awesome!
8:52:49 pm Quinnovator: official #lrnchat website https://lrnchat.wordpress.com (sorry, @gminks )
8:52:56 pm wlonline: @Quinnovator link got cut off #lrnchat
8:52:56 pm dwilkinsnh: I also learned today that my 5 month old is capable of falling asleep in any position and at any time #lrnchat #narcolepsy?
8:53:13 pm gminks: @kasey428 oh you tricky woman!! Florida State Florida State Florida State WOOOOOOO!!! #lrnchat
8:53:26 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What is status of workplace learning & training in your organization? How did it get that way? #lrnchat
8:53:45 pm JaneBozarth: @MariaOD Ok, again: Is that some sort of sports reference?🙂 #lrnchat
8:53:52 pm gminks: @MariaOD I have tix to FSU BC on my birthday. In Boston. Should be fun.🙂 #lrnchat
8:54:04 pm lmockford: RT @lrnchat Q1) What is status of workplace learning & training in your organization? How didit get that way? #lrnchat
8:54:09 pm carmean: Q1 status: moving more and more to self-service answers and seeking JIT support. #lrnchat
8:54:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What is status of workplace learning & training in your organization? How didit get that way? #lrnchat
8:54:19 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Tricky question. Could be answered by top-down view or bottom-up view. Might be diff realities.
8:54:20 pm gminks: @lrnchat this is a broad broad question. What do you mean by status #lrnchat
8:54:23 pm sahana2802: RT @lrnchat Q1) What is status of workplace learning & training in your organization? How did it get that way? #lrnchat
8:54:24 pm mkfrie: Q1 Workplace training for me, interpreted to be my employer-mandating use of an LMS is about as Industrial Revolution as it gets. #LRNCHAT
8:54:28 pm ThomasStone: @kelly_smith01 FYI, definitely check out OnPoint Digital's mlearning solution. Quite impressive. http://www.mlearning.com/ #lrnchat
8:54:33 pm moehlert: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What is status of workplace learning & training in your organization? How didit get that way? #lrnchat
8:54:32 pm wootboot: RT @bschlenker: Dear #lrnchat – not in tonight due to the new xbox and Madden10 – w00t!
8:54:43 pm MariaOD: @JaneBozarth Yes it is! #lrnchat
8:54:48 pm kelly_smith01: Madden 10 is that a new LMS for elearn and mlearn? #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:55:03 pm JaneBozarth: Status is largely tactical– response to event, condition, rule. Government. #lrnchat
8:55:24 pm row4it: #lrnchat due to economy, staff cuts, leaders have increased focus on how learning impacts business needs, good stuff for me
8:55:26 pm J_Schulz: Q1: Can I get a ruling on the definition of 'status'? #lrnchat
8:55:32 pm moehlert: @bschlenker #lrnchat SLACKER!🙂
8:55:33 pm carmean: Q1 status irony: no LMS/few courses for workplace learning at my university workplace. #lrnchat
8:55:38 pm marciamarcia: @dwilkinsnh That's a good thing for 5month olds. Not so much for us 40 yrs later. Well, perhaps sometimes. Appreciate it all… #lrnchat
8:55:40 pm gminks: probably would raise consumption numbers… RT @kelly_smith01: Madden 10 is that a new LMS for elearn and mlearn?#lrnchat #lrnchat
8:55:43 pm Quinnovator: Q1: my org's just me, but in many orgs I see, lrng/trng has marginalized themselves as content providers #lrnchat
8:55:53 pm mkfrie: Madden10 could be the new new LMS – and Nintendo DS is the mobile solution for elearning (wifi and opera included) #LRNCHAT
8:55:54 pm kasey428: Q1) We don't eat our own dogfood, so to speak. We train others, but not ourselves. HR looking to change that. #lrnchat
8:56:15 pm Spydeesense: Hi #lrnchat Marcus here, Tandem Learning, learning basterd, film geek & late to the game!
8:56:27 pm roninchef: @lrnchat Q1 We have several depts with their own teams. Sales and IT (me) being the biggest. Like the 5 families in the Godfather. #lrnchat
8:56:29 pm avron: Good evening all. #lrnchat
8:56:38 pm moehlert: @Spydeesense #lrnchat …and cousin, bizness is BOOMIN!
8:56:38 pm gminks: our status is: we are doing less with more. And getting worn out. #lrnchat
8:56:42 pm MariaOD: RT @kasey428: Q1) We dont eat our own dogfood, so to speak. We train others, but not ourselves.HR looking to change that. (Amen!) #lrnchat
8:56:51 pm Quinnovator: @bschlenker so tell us how it helps you learn! #lrnchat
8:57:20 pm kasey428: We were too busy developing training and workplace solutions for others. Neglected ourselves. #lrnchat
8:57:24 pm dwilkinsnh: workplace training and learning at my org is super collaborative with internal portals, lots of shared info and no "training" dept #lrnchat
8:57:32 pm edwsonoma: look to product training and sales/marketing for more workplace learning activities, because THAT drives revenue #lrnchat
8:57:45 pm tonya_simmons: I work for a company that provides courses for a variety of clients – status is varied, for most of them it's prob. blended #lrnchat
8:57:50 pm ethankuniyoshi: In hospital setting, learning and training was mostly determined by compliance rather than effectiveness #lrnchat
8:58:11 pm gminks: RT @edwsonoma: look to product training and sales/marketing for more workplace learning activities, because THAT drives revenue #lrnchat
8:58:16 pm MariaOD: @dwilkinsnh Really, no training department? #lrnchat
8:58:22 pm janoallen: at my last job, training wasn't content delivery, it was a M*A*S*H* unit. Someone's got a problem? Get 'em trained! Meatball trng.#lrnchat
8:58:23 pm J_Schulz: Q1: Status – in general, order takers (build 3 hour course for x). No prof dev for selves. No R&D. Focus now on ILT due to budget. #lrnchat
8:58:28 pm Spydeesense: Today I learned that I need to think & move must faster #lrnchat
8:58:31 pm ThomasStone: Hey Jane Bozarth! You were just referenced in the recording of the August monthly Masie Consortium call I am listening to tonight! #lrnchat
8:58:33 pm Quinnovator: RT @kasey428: We were too busy developing training and workplace solutions for others. Neglected ourselves. #lrnchat
8:58:35 pm dwilkinsnh: @marciamarcia that's the other learning for me – relearning what it's like to have a baby 7 yrs after the last one… ; ) #lrnchat
8:58:45 pm moehlert: @tjmeister #lrnchat Indeed😉
8:58:49 pm kelly_smith01: I agree with "many orgs I see, lrng/trng has marginalized themselves as content providers" by Quinnovator -#lrnchat #lrnchat
8:58:50 pm wlonline: Different levels and types of learning support; not fully integrated #lrnchat
8:59:19 pm usablelearning: #lrnchat Q1 workplace learning in our small organization — nothing formal, has be driven by the employee mostly
8:59:39 pm marciamarcia: .@kasey428 I've never met a cobbler's child w/ shoes. I've been studying this in orgs for 15+ yrs. Never once. #lrnchat
8:59:40 pm kasey428: Our division created a CoP for onboarding new hires which has helped. For the most part we train one-on-one. #lrnchat
8:59:40 pm JaneBozarth: Yes, what he says: RT @Quinnovator: Q1:in many orgs I see, lrng/trng has marginalized themselves as content providers #lrnchat
8:59:50 pm cammybean: RT @edwsonoma: look to product training and sales/marketing for more workplace learning activities, because THAT drives revenue #lrnchat
8:59:51 pm CotterHUE: #lrnchat monthly workshops on teaching, customer service, or other. Mix of topdown & bottomup. Either very participatory, high relevancy.
8:59:52 pm wlonline: @ethankuniyoshi We have compliance training too but very basic level – mainly content driven, no activities, interaction, etc #lrnchat
8:59:53 pm dwilkinsnh: @MariaOD we're small – less than 300 employees and we're an LMS / HCM provider so we are all learners and teachers; that helps. #lrnchat
9:00:04 pm barrykrauss: Q1) Defense contractor, corp univ + decentralized activities, under-resourced, lack of overall coordination of efforts #lrnchat
9:00:09 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 also "Trainer" role diluted #lrnchat
9:00:44 pm tonya_simmons: @kasey428 same thing happens in journalism, only with communication – those who do for others often neglect themselves #lrnchat
9:00:49 pm kasey428: RT @marciamarcia: .@kasey428 Ive never met a cobblers child w/ shoes. Ive been studying this in orgs for 15+ yrs. Never once. #lrnchat
9:00:54 pm moehlert: @kelly_smith01 #lrnchat Ditto Ditto Ditto
9:01:16 pm JaneBozarth: See that a lot RT @wlonline: We have compliance training but very basic level – mainly content driven, no activities, interaction #lrnchat
9:01:16 pm kelly_smith01: Q1 I am between opportunities but see to many assembly line elearning orgs not a pleasant thing 4 performance improvement #lrnchat
9:01:17 pm Dave_Ferguson: What model could ever be stronger than the Little Corporate Schoolhouse, churning out contact hrs & CEUs? #lrnchat
9:01:25 pm lmockford: We have a vibrant culture of wkplace learning, although expectations can be unrealistic given heavy wkloads. #lrnchat.
9:01:34 pm tjmeister: Q1. Hard to speak to this one.. in a fairly new field changing virtually everday, networks of feeds & rapid sharing & experim #lrnchat
9:01:37 pm carmean: @quinnovator Marginalization not new, no? Lrng/trng only recently looking at being environment providers. #lrnchat
9:01:40 pm klowey22: we're working hard to flip the 80/20 budget of formal to informal since we know the real learning is 80/20 informal #lrnchat
9:01:59 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: What model could ever be stronger than the Little Corporate Schoolhouse, churning out contact hrs & CEUs? #lrnchat
9:02:09 pm JaneBozarth: @lmockford Where do you work again? #lrnchat
9:02:11 pm Dave_Ferguson: …only now of course they're corporate universities, which is so much more… academic. #lrnchat
9:02:13 pm Spydeesense: Q1: Havent had a need for formal learning & training but soon will & how so Q is do we practice what we preach? #lrnchat
9:02:18 pm barrykrauss: Q1) constantly evolving, developing SME ability to develop usable content #lrnchat
9:02:40 pm row4it: RT @klowey22: we're working hard 2 flip the 80/20 budget of formal 2 informal since we know the real learning is 80/20 informal #lrnchat …
9:02:40 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: …only now of course they're corporate universities, which is so much more… academic. #lrnchat
9:02:42 pm learnivores: What chat programs are folks using? I am trying TweetChat but can't go to the beginning of the thread. #lrnchat
9:02:47 pm Quinnovator: Q1 still not seeing lrng orgs taking on perf support/informal, using technology systemically/strategically #lrnchat
9:02:58 pm lmockford: RT @JaneBozarth Yes, what he says: RT @Quinnovator: Q1: many orgs I see, lrng/trng has marginalized themselves as content providers #lrnchat
9:03:19 pm ThomasStone: Seeing trainers/etc. taking on new tasks yet? Forum moderator? Blog author? etc. RT @JaneBozarth: Q1 also "Trainer" role diluted #lrnchat
9:03:29 pm kasey428: Listening to Bach's Cello Suite No. 1 while pondering how to make our informal training consistent w/o formalizing. #lrnchat
9:03:36 pm ethankuniyoshi: @JaneBozarth what is the value of such trainings if it's all at a basic level? (seems like CYA to me) #lrnchat
9:03:37 pm JaneBozarth: I see cycle: training responds as order-taker– "solution" doesn't solve -training not credible–more order taking #lrnchat
9:03:43 pm odguru: Q2: largely divested of any formal training ewe have mentoring, internships, CoPs and almost stupidly active development plans. #lrnchat
9:03:48 pm wlonline: @learnivores Use tweetdeck or maybe peoplebrowsr #lrnchat
9:03:50 pm gminks: @Quinnovator I think the reason orgs don't take on informal is they can't figure out how to sell it #lrnchat
9:03:52 pm Dave_Ferguson: @learnivores The whole chat'll be on the website later… I find tweetchat the best. W/ tweetdeck on the side for DMs. #lrnchat
9:03:53 pm kasey428: RT @klowey22: were working hard to flip the 80/20 budget of formal to informal since we know the real learning is 80/20 informal #lrnchat
9:04:09 pm MariaOD: A public library 700+ employees, formal training programs for onboarding, core, and management-budget crunch sees more elearning. #lrnchat
9:04:09 pm JaneBozarth: Training also used as panacea for other known problems. #lrnchat
9:04:13 pm barrykrauss: @JaneBozarth Disagree. Corporate universities focus on business alignment. We do. #lrnchat
9:04:33 pm lmockford: RT @ethankuniyoshi In hospital setting, learning and training was mostly determined by compliance rather than effectiveness #lrnchat
9:04:39 pm JaneBozarth: I said "panacea"! Drink! #lrnchat
9:04:39 pm J_Schulz: @JaneBozarth I recently created a causal loop showing that very pattern. #lrnchat
9:05:09 pm learnivores: @Dave_Ferguson Sorry, which website? I'm new! #lrnchat
9:05:17 pm klowey22: RT @kasey428: pondering how to make our informal training consistent w/o formalizing. #lrnchat
9:05:18 pm roninchef: @lmockford Same here. Bringing in a Hollywood blockbuster on a straight to dvd budget. Creative & resourceful is a state of being. #lrnchat
9:05:20 pm Quinnovator: RT @carmean: @quinnovator Marginalization not new, no? Lrng/trng only recently looking at being environment providers. #lrnchat
9:05:26 pm moehlert: #lrnchat I also learned that we lost a really great one this week and that an era in American politics came to end.
9:05:26 pm kasey428: RT @gminks: @Quinnovator I think the reason orgs dont take on informal is they cant figure out how to sell it #lrnchat
9:05:28 pm row4it: RT @JaneBozarth: Training also used as panacea for other known problems. #lrnchat We are making process on this at County.
9:05:29 pm stickylearning: Training also used as panacea for other known problems. #lrnchat (via @JaneBozarth) (completely agree!)
9:05:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: In my corp life (20+ years) very few learning colleagues saw their role as a career (in sense of "worth developing"). Changing? #lrnchat
9:05:35 pm Spydeesense: Funny thing is in orgs that we help I dont see any standard use of technology or consistent model for developing ppl but what's new #lrnchat
9:05:39 pm edwsonoma: @gminks more to the point, many organizations don't know how to drive value w/ informal learning #lrnchat
9:05:50 pm Quinnovator: Nor learning facilitators RT @carmean: Marginalization not new. Lrng/trng only recently looking at being environment providers. #lrnchat
9:05:52 pm J_Schulz: @barrykrauss I think you're in the minority, Barry. #lrnchat
9:05:56 pm JaneBozarth: @J_Schulz OOh would like to see? #lrnchat
9:06:01 pm kelly_smith01: If it were not for compliance training many tring budgets would be $0.25. #lrnchat
9:06:15 pm tonya_simmons: brb – getting boy a snack #lrnchat
9:06:15 pm gminks: true RT @edwsonoma: @gminks more to the point, many organizations dont know how to drive value w/ informal learning #lrnchat
9:06:24 pm dwilkinsnh: @ThomasStone Seeing it in the client base for sure and at many companies I consult with; think it's starting #lrnchat
9:06:26 pm Quinnovator: @learnivores using a search column in TweetDeck #lrnchat
9:06:29 pm JaneBozarth: @barrykrauss See @dave_ferguson original (2) tweets on this #lrnchat
9:06:30 pm Dave_Ferguson: @learnivores I apologize, should have sent: https://lrnchat.wordpress.com/about/ (has transcripts of past lrnchats)
9:06:39 pm odguru: gminks I think the reason orgs don't take on informal is they can't figure out how to sell it #lrnchat <HR connecting right people skills->jit training/devel -> shift & repeat. #lrnchat
9:10:48 pm MariaOD: @moehlert We took a survey of our staff recently and was surprised that over half learned informally but management wants formal! #lrnchat
9:11:03 pm kelly_smith01: Informal learning lacks a concrete state so orgnizations may find it difficult to account 4 it and budget 4 it #lrnchat
9:11:05 pm Quinnovator: RT @dwilkinsnh Pipes and plumbers, right? Stop acting like the pipe and start acting like the plumber who designs how stuff flows. #lrnchat
9:11:13 pm gminks: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @edwsonoma Agree re value; thats one drawback to the “informal” label. Why should I invest in whats free? #lrnchat
9:11:25 pm barrykrauss: @Dave_Ferguson because it’s too important to go unmanaged. #lrnchat
9:11:26 pm Dave_Ferguson: @MariaOD You’re younger than me, then, if you were surprised…😉 #lrnchat
9:11:36 pm dwilkinsnh: @ThomasStone and of course by stuff and flows, I mean “water.” LOL #lrnchat
9:11:42 pm kasey428: @learnivores Welcome! #lrnchat
9:11:43 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks I was getting at: they can’t control it so they don’t care about it/dismiss it. Plus, yes, trying to trick you. #lrnchat
9:11:55 pm gminks: I’ve been talking about informal as value networks, since we sell ITIL training, seems to help (I think??) #lrnchat
9:11:59 pm mizminh: RT @dwilkinsnh Pipes and plumbers, right? Stop acting like the pipe and start acting like the plumber who designs how stuff flows. #lrnchat
9:12:01 pm Quinnovator: @carmean *facilitating* informal learning! #lrnchat
9:12:03 pm wlonline: @MariaOD Management can want formal but we shd be asking which is really effective – cd be formal and informal or mix #lrnchat
9:12:08 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat LOVE the feral call…this is other way http://tinyurl.com/25zy8b
9:12:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: There’s also, dare I say, a lot of “natural ingredient” hooey about stuff called informal. #lrnchat
9:12:23 pm row4it: @MariaOD looks like management needs some education/learning #lrnchat
9:12:24 pm MariaOD: Informal learning scares us…no accountability…is it planned obsolescence in a way??? #lrnchat
9:12:35 pm carmean: @dwilkinsnh Does it have to be a poop metaphor? …’Stop acting like the pipe and start acting like the plumber who designs flow’. #lrnchat
9:12:38 pm avron: @MariaOD can learning be informal, but assessment be quite formal? #lrnchat
9:12:48 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth I knew it!! ADDIE!!! LOL #lrnchat
9:12:50 pm lmockford: RT @JaneBozarth @moehlert Yes, people are forced to become feral learners #lrnchat – love this concept ‘feral learners’
9:12:51 pm kelly_smith01: I worked on a mentor program a couple of years ago (a type of informal) many fights about how 2 do it many toes stepped on #lrnchat
9:13:06 pm Dave_Ferguson: -@barrykrauss Not arguing re importance; I was playing dismissive upper mgr. #lrnchat
9:13:19 pm moehlert: @MariaOD #lrnchat I wish I were shocked.
9:13:21 pm JaneBozarth: RT @dwilkinsnh Pipes and plumbers, right? Stop acting like the pipe and start acting like the plumber who designs how stuff flows. #lrnchat
9:13:22 pm marciamarcia: Rather than cutting back on formal training, consider boosting informal learning opps a gazillion%. #lrnchat
9:13:33 pm tjmeister: @gminks And those value networks can organize, act, disband quickly and be ready for next activity.. #lrnchat
9:13:43 pm ThomasStone: RT @MariaOD: Informal learning scares us…no accountability…is it planned obsolescence in a way??? #lrnchat
9:13:46 pm MariaOD: @row4it I am working on office2007 rollout now and if my plan does not include some form of ILT…it may not fly… #lrnchat
9:13:54 pm stickylearning: @MariaOD can learning be informal, but assessment be quite formal? #lrnchat (via @avron) I reckon it could be!
9:13:59 pm barrykrauss: @Dave_Ferguson oh LOL, that’s always enjoyable😉 #lrnchat
9:14:01 pm damonregan: RT @avron: @MariaOD can learning be informal, but assessment be quite formal? >> brilliant question @avron #lrnchat
9:14:08 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kelly_smith01 1/2 Oh, yeah…and mentoring is a biz-casual version of informal. #lrnchat
9:14:20 pm moehlert: @damonregan #lrnchat Don’t you think it arises in part from a failure of “formal” learning?
9:14:25 pm mizminh: @carmean plumbers pipe in fresh water #lrnchat
9:14:26 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson like, totally cosmic, man, it allows us to be in touch with our inner learner! (tell I’m a Californian?) #lrnchat
9:14:34 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kelly_smith01 2/2 Amazingly, people do not become good mentors because you give them that title. #lrnchat
9:14:39 pm ThomasStone: good… you can still have formal assessments with informal RT @avron can learning be informal, but assessment be quite formal? #lrnchat
9:14:40 pm MariaOD: @stickylearning sure…but if learners are not competent…who do they blame? #lrnchat
9:14:57 pm dwilkinsnh: @carmean well, some is great and maybe some not so great so the metaphor works pretty well… ; ) #lrnchat
9:14:58 pm tonya_simmons: when it comes down to it – isn’t the final form of assessment whether or not the employee can perf. duties of job? #lrnchat
9:15:03 pm cammybean: At smaller orgs it’s almost always informal. #lrnchat
9:15:07 pm tjmeister: RT @lmockford: RT @JaneBozarth @moehlert Yes, people are forced to become feral learners #lrnchat – love this concept ‘feral learners’
9:15:16 pm row4it: @MariaOD my condolences, but you aren’t alone. Many still believe the classroom is king. #lrnchat
9:15:17 pm carmean: Feral learners. Free range learners. Love it. More zing than ‘self-regulated’. That’ll never sell. #lrnchat
9:15:32 pm ThomasStone: RT @marciamarcia: Rather than cutting back on formal training, consider boosting informal learning opps a gazillion%. #lrnchat
9:15:32 pm mizminh: @avron yes if formal assessment is required then it can be applied to any kind of learning #lrnchat
9:15:41 pm ethankuniyoshi: Formal & Informal Learning #lrnchat http://www.knowledgejump.com/learning/informal.html
9:15:52 pm kelly_smith01: Assessment of informal maybe regular on-the- job performance assessment (hope those are not dirty words) #lrnchat
9:15:56 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks @mariaod is saying it better than I #lrnchat
9:15:56 pm MariaOD: Reminds me of a saying about a bad employee never gets good tools. lol #lrnchat
9:16:07 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean Amen, sister. In smaller orgs you have feral training/learning GROUPS. #lrnchat
9:16:09 pm Quinnovator: but even the formal changes with this mindset, learning facilitator, not content provider! #lrnchat
9:16:11 pm gminks: @tjmeister: and if we provide a “learning gps” to align that activity to the business …everyone wins #lrnchat
9:16:19 pm odguru: @marciamarcia Informal lrng is discovering how 2 use natural power sources. It’s easier & harder than it looks. #lrnchat
9:16:36 pm kasey428: Some don’t believe you can educate w/o trainers/instructors. Was told you cann train, but not educate w/o ILT. So we develop ILT #lrnchat
9:16:38 pm avron: off topic. is there a twitter client that organizes the stream by “reply” threads? #lrnchat
9:16:48 pm ThomasStone: @MariaOD I rec. shorter ILT, and include brief training on how to use the informal learning and perf. support tools also provided #lrnchat
9:16:56 pm klowey22: @avron do we need to assess the learning or the value / biz impact of the learning? #lrnchat
9:17:00 pm Quinnovator: @carmean yes, grazing over the learnscape in the performance ecosystem (er, or is that too much🙂 #lrnchat
9:17:07 pm MariaOD: RT @gminks: @tjmeister: and if we provide a “learning gps” to align that activity to the business everyone wins (Love learning GPS) #lrnchat
9:17:07 pm gminks: learning can be informal and evaluation formal for sure: ask anyone with a technical certification how they learned the content! #lrnchat
9:17:12 pm lmockford: RT @carmean Feral learners. Free range learners. Love it. More zing than ‘self-regulated’. That’ll never sell. #lrnchat
9:17:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: @MariaOD Geary Rummler: good employee vs bad system, system wins nearly every time. #lrnchat
9:17:15 pm barrykrauss: RT @ethankuniyoshi: Formal & Informal Learning #lrnchat http://www.knowledgejump.com/learning/informal.html #lrnchat
9:17:18 pm cammybean: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @edwsonoma Agree re value; that’s one drawback to the “informal” label. Why should I invest in what’s free? #lrnchat
9:17:20 pm ThomasStone: This way you are combatting the Forgetting Curve — not expecting people to remember a lot from ILT — which they won’t! #lrnchat
9:17:26 pm JaneBozarth: Re “feral learning” There were NO training opps available for me. I had to find them/make them. Alas, many others just go without. #lrnchat
9:17:34 pm jmarrapodi: ;’llo all #lrnchat
9:17:34 pm carmean: Great link, thanks! RT @ethankuniyoshi: Formal & Informal Learning #lrnchat http://www.knowledgejump.com/learning/informal.html #lrnchat
9:17:45 pm tjmeister: @carmean I like ‘feral’ term If you have to run with the wolves (or compete with them) might as well grown up with them .. #lrnchat
9:17:47 pm moehlert: @row4it #lrnchat Can’t say enough good things about @gwoodill and his presentation on the History of the Classroom as a Learning Technology.
9:17:49 pm xpconcept: Late again:) #lrnchat
9:17:55 pm MariaOD: Who here has a program on how to learn informally? We need it. Let’s call it Learning GPS! #lrnchat
9:17:57 pm wlonline: What I find really helpful in assessing performance is the use of collaborative tools in organisation #lrnchat
9:18:10 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson @cammybean and we have to stomp out those feral groups! What could happen if we don’t? #lrnchat
9:18:12 pm row4it: RT @klowey22: @avron do we need to assess the learning or the value / biz impact of the learning? #lrnchat I agree!
9:18:18 pm damonregan: @klowey22 need to assess the objectives that impact the organization — then evaluate the program as a whole #lrnchat
9:18:34 pm carmean: @quinnovator I think you have a book title. #lrnchat
9:18:37 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth And many employees conditioned to see learning only if it’s in “training” wrapping paper. #lrnchat
9:18:39 pm Spydeesense: A lot of the initial issues & problems we address come from reactive behavior key may be to take a step back w/orgs (1 of 2) #lrnchat
9:18:40 pm moehlert: @carmean #lrnchat Why does ‘feral learners’ (which I love) conjur up the image of that little kid from Mad Max?
9:18:42 pm mizminh: the notion of free-range learners has been explored her http://bit.ly/4fkdkT & in other places #lrnchat
9:18:46 pm ethankuniyoshi: article: “Beginning learners need more formal learning. As learners gain experience, they rely more on informal learning methods” #lrnchat
9:18:56 pm dwilkinsnh: Anyone catch the wikipedia announcement about using editors for some entries? Interesting parallels 4 UGC & authority in learning #lrnchat
9:19:17 pm damonregan: let the competition for content begin: informal vs. formal, but focus on a common assessment! #lrnchat
9:19:19 pm JaneBozarth: @MariaOD I do a workshop called “growing better learners” #lrnchat
9:19:24 pm carmean: RT @MariaOD: Who here has a program on how to learn informally? We need it. Lets call it Learning GPS! #lrnchat
9:19:25 pm mizminh: what does it take for a caged learner to become free-range & then feral? #lrnchat
9:19:32 pm Quinnovator: @kasey428 nothing wrong with ILT, but think learning facilitation, not ‘training’ #lrnchat
9:19:33 pm MariaOD: @ethankuniyoshi What’s a beginning learner? #lrnchat
9:19:36 pm klowey22: RT @damonregan need to assess the objectives that impact the organization — then evaluate the program as a whole > love it #lrnchat
9:19:51 pm wlonline: @MariaOD There is this 23 thing program as an example http://plcmcl2-things.blogspot.com/ #lrnchat
9:19:52 pm stickylearning: sure…but if learners are not competent…who do they blame? #lrnchat @MariaOD not about looking back and blame but forward and lrn needs
9:19:53 pm lmockford: Informal tends to surface when formal is not meeting a learning need. #lrnchat
9:19:53 pm Spydeesense: & determine the continuum that can hold both formal & informal components but what the HELL are they trying to do (2 of 2) #lrnchat
9:20:02 pm Dave_Ferguson: @dwilkinsnh Wikipedia edit flags were inevitable. Otherwise edit wars would fill the universe. #lrnchat
9:20:08 pm gminks: I blogged about learning gps here: http://bit.ly/45sjPH #lrnchat
9:20:17 pm avron: @row4it depends on context, I suppose, but @mobilemind talks about using job performance data to assess impact of training. #lrnchat
9:20:23 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: @kasey428 nothing wrong with ILT, but think learning facilitation, not training #lrnchat
9:20:30 pm mbogle: @gminks Woops, it would appear I’ve missed #lrnchat yet again. Sorry😦
9:20:35 pm MariaOD: I am revamping our yes cliche…”7 Habits of highly effective online learners” but really want to steal “Learning GPS” #lrnchat
9:20:35 pm roninchef: @moehlert Metal boomerang FTW! I see a nice Web 2.0 icon there. #lrnchat
9:20:38 pm wlonline: RT @lmockford: Informal tends to surface when formal is not meeting a learning need. #lrnchat
9:20:39 pm dwilkinsnh: seeing a lot of interest among prospects about “structured” and “workflow”-enabled social learning so it’s not quite a free for all #lrnchat
9:20:48 pm planetrussell: About to join #lrnchat in progress. Kevlar vest on? Check! ;^)
9:20:55 pm row4it: @MariaOD our job is to creat the environ and mechanism for informal to flourish. Not sure it is a program. #lrnchat
9:20:55 pm xpconcept: ‘reaction to’ is pursuit… eternal pursuit won’t establish self sustaining ‘learning reaction’ #lrnchat
9:20:56 pm JaneBozarth: @lmockford 1/2 Right- -that’s what happened with me, and gave rise to the CoP that was unit of interest for my dissertation #lrnchat
9:21:07 pm carmean: RT @mizminh: what does it take for a caged learner to become free-range & then feral? (and is feral = free-range gone skitterish?) #lrnchat
9:21:13 pm dwilkinsnh: @Dave_Ferguson Yeah, I think the same is inevitable and necessary for social learning in the workplace; some topics need authority. #lrnchat
9:21:19 pm moehlert: RT @roninchef: @moehlert Metal boomerang FTW! I see a nice Web 2.0 icon there. #lrnchat Sweet!
9:21:19 pm Quinnovator: @carmean or, at least, a chapter title (PDF): http://bit.ly/2vLpBk #lrnchat
9:21:21 pm gminks: @mbogle we’re still on for a while, join us! #lrnchat
9:21:25 pm MariaOD: -@wlonline Hey Thanks…we have Helene Blowers who created that. We did Learn and Play at the CML! #lrnchat
9:21:32 pm Dave_Ferguson: @MariaOD It’s not stealing. It’s leveraging. #lrnchat
9:21:36 pm JaneBozarth: @lmockford 2/2 they were not learning anywhere else so decided to teach each other. #lrnchat
9:21:37 pm wlonline: @JaneBozarth How can COP be encouraged within organisations #lrnchat
9:21:52 pm damonregan: let’s add structure and control to the drink list #lrnchat
9:21:53 pm kasey428: @Quinnovator Where I work the word “training” has power. It has made the owner a very wealthy person. Feds still love the word. #lrnchat
9:21:58 pm lmockford: We have elluminate virtual watercooler sessions that are participant defined. ‘what do you want know?’ #lrnchat
9:22:18 pm Quinnovator: @mizminh caged learner – > free-range? metalearning skills! (explicated, mentored) #lrnchat
9:22:17 pm sahana2802: RT@Dave_Ferguson @JaneBozarth And many employees conditioned to see learning only if it’s in “training” wrapping paper. #lrnchat
9:22:21 pm MariaOD: @JaneBozarth I would love to see “Growing Better Learners” #lrnchat
9:22:27 pm lmockford: RT @gminks @tjmeister: and if we provide a “learning gps” to align that activity to the business …everyone wins #lrnchat
9:22:29 pm xpconcept: informal is always there, always has been. outside of the formal prescribed layer is life@work, life outside work. #lrnchat
9:22:47 pm barrykrauss: anyone using simulations and games to bring the gap between formal and informal learning? #lrnchat
9:22:49 pm lmockford: RT @wlonline What I find really helpful in assessing performance is the use of collaborative tools in organisation #lrnchat
9:23:00 pm JaneBozarth: @wlonline 2/2 Treat it as vehicle for learning/development, not as a meas of “harnessing tacit knowledge” #lrnchat
9:23:05 pm planetrussell: @dwilkinsnh Can you recommend reference sources for “structured” and “workflow”-enabled social learning best practices? TIA. #lrnchat
9:23:06 pm Spydeesense: I’d like to find a way to structure and control the drinking list a bit better #lrnchat
9:23:06 pm xpconcept: We educators and trainers seem to place prescription at the center of the universe. Reality is that minority of lrning hppns there. #lrnchat
9:23:08 pm MariaOD: @damonregan Diet Coke work for the drink? #lrnchat
9:23:22 pm odguru: RT: dwilkinsnh seeing interest about “structured”..not quite a free for all #lrnchat <me too. Clients ask 4 "controlled communities"🙂
9:23:36 pm Quinnovator: @kasey428 sure, just as we call games "immersive learning simulations", but it doesn't mean we don't do the right thing anyway!🙂 #lrnchat
9:23:38 pm JaneBozarth: @wlonline I have lit on this; remind me later and I'll send citations #lrnchat
9:23:42 pm moehlert: @kasey428 #lrnchat Yes, yes we do.
9:23:45 pm MariaOD: @lmockford tell me more about use of collaborative assessment. #lrnchat
9:23:46 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kasey428 Not only feds love "training." Most levels of gov't, many private orgs w/ compliance issues (pharma, health, safety) #lrnchat
9:24:00 pm lrnchat: Q2) What can in-house workplace learning professional do to increasecredibility of training & the training dept? #lrnchat
9:24:02 pm JaneBozarth: @Spydeesense Careful or you'll find yourself tending bar… #lrnchat
9:24:20 pm Dave_Ferguson: "Hey, dad, watch me while I harness tacit knowledge." Nope, doesn't work. #lrnchat
9:24:27 pm Quinnovator: @Spydeesense you can edit it too, I think! #lrnchat
9:24:28 pm damonregan: @MariaOD absolutely! #lrnchat
9:24:51 pm wlonline: @JaneBozarth Thanks!! #lrnchat
9:25:07 pm kelly_smith01: compliance training, compliance training, my kingdom for compliance training #lrnchat
9:25:14 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What can in-house workplace learning professional do to increasecredibility of training & the training dept? #lrnchat
9:25:16 pm MariaOD: Q2- Be timely, be relevant, be flexible–get them the ROI damn it! #lrnchat
9:25:29 pm damonregan: Q2: show that you know how to assess what matters #lrnchat
9:25:38 pm moehlert: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What can in-house workplace learning professional do to increase credibility of training & the training dept? #lrnchat
9:25:44 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q2: think of the LINE ORG first, the learner second, and the training dept about sixth. #lrnchat
9:25:47 pm lmockford: RT @MariaOD @lmockford tell me more about use of collaborative assessment. #lrnchat –that would be @wlonline
9:25:48 pm mizminh: @carmean ecologically, feral is very undesirable but it has a flavour of maverick, larrikin, outlaw that is appealing as metaphor #lrnchat
9:25:55 pm J_Schulz: Q2: In order to increase credibility, I think we need to raise our own levels of expertise. Result: we design better solutions. #lrnchat
9:26:12 pm tjmeister: @gminks Love the Learning GPS idea, or even a Learning GIS/GPS (in near real time) #lrnchat
9:26:16 pm lmockford: RT @lrnchat Q2) What can in-house workplace learning professional do to increasecredibility of training & the training dept? #lrnchat
9:26:18 pm kasey428: Federal clients contract for training, not learning. My company gives 'em what they want. We can try to change, but… #lrnchat
9:26:23 pm MariaOD: @kelly_smith01 lol…job security…don't bite the hand that feed you! #lrnchat
9:26:28 pm odguru: Q2: beat marketing/communications/IT etc group to being the ones who can explain how SoMe SHOULD WORK HERE (in the specific org.) #lrnchat
9:26:30 pm xpconcept: Q2) all problems are not nails. we are not hammers. think bigger than the training department, link in, provide value beyond events #lrnchat
9:26:30 pm gminks: q2 align to the biz #lrnchat
9:26:34 pm Dave_Ferguson: @mizminh Given enough time, feral becomes the new indigenous. #lrnchat
9:26:37 pm dwilkinsnh: @planetrussell I'm actually writing a post now – will send link tomorrow; think moderation, stamps of approval, permissions, flags. #lrnchat
9:26:39 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What can in-house workplace learning professional do to increase credibility of training & the training dept? #lrnchat
9:26:43 pm planetrussell: Liking: @Dave_Ferguson's Applications Training – Teach the Good Stuff First: http://tr.im/xjcU #lrnchat
9:26:50 pm ThomasStone: Q2: Trainers/IDs can bravely take on new roles: forum moderators, blog authors, wiki gardeners, etc. Help enable the informal #lrnchat
9:26:54 pm kelly_smith01: I like the way Dave_Ferguson thinks on Q2 #lrnchat
9:26:54 pm Quinnovator: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q2: think of the LINE ORG first, the learner second, and the training dept about sixth. #lrnchat
9:27:01 pm lmockford: RT @Dave_Ferguson @mizminh Given enough time, feral becomes the new indigenous. #lrnchat
9:27:14 pm klowey22: q2-be a biz partner, create/maintain/execute learning strategy that aligns w org strategy #lrnchat
9:27:18 pm Spydeesense: @barrykrauss The community developed thru multiple users of sims/games we're developing may bridge the tuxedo/khaki combo #lrnchat
9:27:19 pm barrykrauss: Q2) low cost, little victories #lrnchat
9:27:36 pm marciamarcia: The #lrnchat tonight is amazing. Deep rich conversation about what really is workplace learning, new practices, creative approaches, wow.
9:27:36 pm kasey428: The company stance on reflects what our clients pay for, it is what pays the bills. Changing terminology and mindset is hard. #lrnchat
9:27:38 pm roninchef: Q2 Really hooking the audience and dazzling those upstream. The oohs, ahhs and uh-huhs of training. #lrnchat
9:27:47 pm MariaOD: RT @planetrussell:@Dave_Fergusons Applications Training – Teach the Good Stuff First: http://tr.im/xjcU (What's the good stuff?) #lrnchat
9:27:48 pm row4it: Q2 demonstrate pos. business impact through learning #lrnchat
9:27:55 pm J_Schulz: @odguru Excellent point. Too many times we have to live with other's decisions, which aren't made with org eff in mind. #lrnchat
9:28:05 pm bschlenker: Q2) #lrnchat Solve and measure business problems NOT "learning" problems (1st and 8 on the 30😉
9:28:09 pm jmarrapodi: @xpconcept what do you mean by prescription? Results of needs assessments? I disagree that no effective learning occurs in that trg #lrnchat
9:28:11 pm barrykrauss: @klowey22 focusing on stratgey? Shocker! #lrnchat
9:28:22 pm roninchef: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What can in-house workplace learning professional do to increasecredibility of training & the training dept? #lrnchat
9:28:28 pm JaneBozarth: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What can in-house workplace learning professional do to increase credibility of training & the training dept? #lrnchat
9:28:31 pm gminks: RT @ThomasStone: Q2: Trainers/IDs can bravely take on new roles: forum moderators, blog authors, wiki gardeners, enable informal #lrnchat
9:28:35 pm barrykrauss: @Spydeesense would LOVE to hear more! #lrnchat
9:28:35 pm odguru: Q2: harness the nexus people, mavens connectors to talk up what is happening and how it's a critical link. #lrnchat
9:28:39 pm xpconcept: Q2) adjust processes, move evaluation up to increase cycles and nail the solution. #lrnchat
9:28:45 pm Quinnovator: Q2: trng dept getting cred: align with biz goals, take on perf support/informal, talk innovation & problem-solving, NOT courses #lrnchat
9:28:47 pm lmockford: RT @MariaOD Q2- Be timely, be relevant, be flexible–get them the ROI damn it! #lrnchat
9:28:50 pm damonregan: RT @bschlenker Solve and measure business problems NOT "learning" problems #lrnchat
9:29:09 pm Spydeesense: Q2 toss away the tried & true for a moment & think about how "ooh shiny" can be used as "ooh clever" then meld the old & new #lrnchat
9:29:13 pm ethankuniyoshi: @MariaOD I think what Donald Clark is saying is that not all learning should be informal–and there's a place for formal learning #lrnchat
9:29:24 pm xpconcept: @jmarrapodi – didn't say no effective learning in training. I'm saying that in the big picture people learn MORE outside the events #lrnchat
9:29:25 pm JaneBozarth: Q2 we need to stop being order-takers and start insisting on real solutions #lrnchat
9:29:27 pm damonregan: RT @Quinnovator NOT courses #lrnchat
9:29:49 pm lmockford: RT @ThomasStone: Q2: Trainers/IDs can bravely take on new roles: forum moderators, blog authors, wiki gardeners, enable informal #lrnchat
9:30:02 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Learn their language. Speak to their pain. Solve problems they didn't know they had.
9:30:12 pm kasey428: My team has to convince the "trainers" that they should facilitate rather than impart all their knowledge in a lecture. #lrnchat
9:30:22 pm gminks: RT @JaneBozarth: Q2 we need to stop being order-takers and start insisting on real solutions #lrnchat
9:30:26 pm Quinnovator: @kasey428 don't change terminology, just surreptitiously change *how* you help them learn better #lrnchat
9:30:34 pm xpconcept: @jmarrapodi – we tend to be 'us centric' implying that we control learning in our organizations. That's laughable. #lrnchat
9:30:36 pm row4it: @JaneBozarth and push back when training isn't the right solution and dig deeper into real issue. #lrnchat
9:30:38 pm J_Schulz: @xpconcept Agree! We must get out of the 'event' mentality. #lrnchat
9:30:40 pm dwilkinsnh: Q2) #1 Measure your impact, #2 Know top 5 org goals & align with them, #3 Be a perf consultant who uses training, not a "trainer" #lrnchat
9:30:52 pm carmean: Stop calling it training? Q2): increase credibility of training & the training dept? #lrnchat
9:30:58 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kasey428 Your team is not alone. Not by a long chalk. #lrnchat
9:31:03 pm kelly_smith01: RT bschlenker Q2) #lrnchat Solve and measure business problems NOT "learning" problems – I add (or performance issues Rummler #lrnchat
9:31:03 pm planetrussell: @dwilkinsnh Thanks. Some early SoMe projects I managed for @TheWELL's pro svs group (circa '97) were socially-enabled learning, KM. #lrnchat
9:31:08 pm MariaOD: Q2-We are opting for more and more PS with tight staffing, zero budget…create it fast, consume it even faster. #lrnchat
9:31:10 pm JaneBozarth: Q2 Trainers too often see themselves in the classroom business, not the learning business #lrnchat
9:31:17 pm wlonline: @lmockford:@MariaOD @lmockford We are getting wikis, discussions, collab space etc into the workplace for all staff #lrnchat
9:31:29 pm klowey22: @carmean lol perfect #lrnchat
9:31:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: Many training groups, and many professionals, have a lot invested in things as they are. "You gotta change" is nonpersuasive. #lrnchat
9:31:47 pm wlonline: @carmean what about organisational learning, then? #lrnchat
9:31:47 pm barrykrauss: Q2) Ensure training is the intervention we consider last, not first. Help the business find solutions first in our practices. #lrnchat
9:31:57 pm sahana2802: RT@JaneBozarth Q2 we need to stop being order-takers and start insisting on real solutions #lrnchat totally agree.
9:32:01 pm Quinnovator: yes, part of the total solution RT @ethankuniyoshi not all learning should be informal–and there's a place for formal learning #lrnchat
9:32:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: Q2 we need to stop being order-takers and start insisting on real solutions #lrnchat
9:32:16 pm mgharavi: Evening all. Sorry I'm late to the chat. I'm Mahdi, Instructional designer at MetroStar Systems, in Northern Virginia #lrnchat
9:32:24 pm cammybean: @Dave_Ferguson At what size company does trng dept get created and formal trng kick-in? #lrnchat
9:32:32 pm Dave_Ferguson: How come everybody knows about 1-minute managing and moving cheese, and no one knows Gilbert or Rummler? #lrnchat
9:32:34 pm kasey428: @moehlert There is an inglorious bastard amongst us it seems. Where was he trained.. uh, facilitated? Love the photo! #lrnchat
9:32:50 pm xpconcept: Q2) empower and assist. leverage the power of share. help people find their way to what they need, not just about creating it. #lrnchat
9:32:53 pm Spydeesense: @barrykrauss Drinking list or community of users? #lrnchat current solution is around webinars & leads into national mtg BUT VW'd be better
9:32:54 pm mizminh: @tonya_simmons ah then we have have an autonomous learner #lrnchat
9:33:17 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean Extensive research I just made up says: around 500 employees… #lrnchat
9:33:17 pm damonregan: I see formal learning formalizing difficult or critical topics that emerge through informal forms #lrnchat
9:33:24 pm jmarrapodi: @xpconcept 0h that where you were going. I agree. We don't own all the learning. #lrnchat
9:33:28 pm J_Schulz: @Dave_Ferguson Tony Karrer likes to draw parallels to the Invovator's Dilema for this situation. So true. So sad. #lrnchat
9:33:37 pm kasey428: RT @cammybean: @Dave_Ferguson At what size company does trng dept get created and formal trng kick-in? #lrnchat
9:33:43 pm sprabu: Prashanth: SAP Enterprise Learning Product Manager. Good Evening. Good Day # lrnchat
9:33:44 pm MariaOD: @dwilkinsnh-trainer as consultants! Just not have luxury of time to conduct needs analysis…don't even tell them they are wrong! #lrnchat
9:33:45 pm visualrinse: .@lrnchat Q2) stop obsessing over finding the newest/best LMS and just build some learning. So many of my clients are always in transition.
9:33:48 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean Training groups come after Legal, HR, before in-house video production. #lrnchat
9:34:02 pm moehlert: @kasey428 #lrnchat Ha! I don't think I needed no training fer killin' me sum Nazis!
9:34:06 pm row4it: RT @barrykrauss: Q2 Ensure training is intervention we consider last, not 1st. Help business find solutions 1st in R practices. #lrnchat
9:34:19 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson you need to tell a cute, trite story about their approach! #lrnchat
9:34:23 pm J_Schulz: @Dave_Ferguson Can we quote you on the '500 people' statistic?😉 #lrnchat
9:34:26 pm jmarrapodi: @Dave_Ferguson lol! #lrnchat
9:34:33 pm kelly_smith01: I saw a Gilbert & Rummler at the local junior college summer musicals #lrnchat
9:34:39 pm moehlert: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean Extensive research I just made up says: around 500 employees… #lrnchat Beautiful man, I love made-up data!
9:35:03 pm kasey428: @moehlert Now that's funny. #lrnchat
9:35:05 pm row4it: @Dave_Ferguson not on the book circuit? #lrnchat
9:35:10 pm mizminh: RT @ethankuniyoshi not all learning should be informal–and there's a place for formal learning #lrnchat [customising, shaping, preferences
9:35:16 pm roninchef: @farroutlinks Come join the talk in #lrnchat. Looks like you may have something to add to the mix.
9:35:17 pm dwilkinsnh: Loving these answers – why aren't more in the industry doing this stuff? We'd be in a lot better shape as an industry if we did. #lrnchat
9:35:18 pm tjmeister: @damonregan Exactly, some sense of memory, no sense everyone having to take the hard road every time… #lrnchat
9:35:21 pm Quinnovator: good marketing is customer education, we're not marketing our contributions (and failing to practice what we preach) #lrnchat
9:35:32 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Me? Trite? You know how the 140 character limit pains me… #lrnchat
9:35:42 pm ethankuniyoshi: Q2 #lrnchat @customelearning would say that ID folks need to "Design Outside the Box" to increase relevancy
9:36:07 pm wlonline: Let's work on building the knowledge and skills of ppl in organisation; Knowledge building, knowledge creation (Paavola) #lrnchat
9:36:13 pm kasey428: When I was w/RBSLynk, there were 1000 employees and we had a training department separate from HR. #lrnchat
9:36:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: @moehlert You're going to the Intro to Nat'l Socialism seminar. Four days. Over a weekend #lrnchat
9:36:50 pm Quinnovator: LOL RT @kelly_smith01: I saw a Gilbert & Rummler at the local junior college summer musicals #lrnchat
9:36:50 pm xpconcept: @ethankuniyoshi – ID folks need to focus on relevance to increase relevancy:P #lrnchat
9:36:58 pm excelyse: lrnchat
9:37:00 pm wlonline: @ethankuniyoshi Been doing a bit of Pattern Language for Learning Design as alt to ID #lrnchat
9:37:05 pm J_Schulz: @ethankuniyoshi Can I get an 'Amen' from the audience??!!?? #lrnchat
9:37:06 pm lmockford: RT @wlonline Let's work on building knowledge and skills of ppl in organisation; Knowledge building, knowledge creation (Paavola) #lrnchat
9:37:20 pm AnnMarieBonneau: I don't get this tweet chat thing. Seems like a bunch of noise. Could someone please explain the usefulness of this? #lrnchat
9:37:25 pm kasey428: RT @dwilkinsnh: …why arent more in the industry doing this stuff?Wed be in a lot better shape as an industry if we did. #lrnchat
9:37:37 pm JaneBozarth: We must become feral trainers! #lrnchat
9:37:40 pm damonregan: @tjmeister ahh wouldn't that be nice #lrnchat
9:37:44 pm moehlert: @ethankuniyoshi @customelearning #lrnchat We need to change the design "toolbox" as well. Warning – approaching soapbox….
9:37:50 pm kasey428: RT @xpconcept: @ethankuniyoshi – ID folks need to focus on relevance to increase relevancy:P #lrnchat
9:38:05 pm xpconcept: @wlonline – do you have any of your pattern language for LD work published. I❤ patterns!!! #lrnchat
9:38:07 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @xpconcept: @ethankuniyoshi – ID folks need to focus on relevance to increase relevancy:P #lrnchat « LOL
9:38:39 pm lmockford: Gotta run #lrnchat peeps. Thanks so much for letting me play.
9:38:41 pm damonregan: @moehlert show me the toolbox.. I'll help you onto that soapbox #lrnchat
9:38:44 pm moehlert: RT @awcheney: Call for chapters on social constructivism in virtual worlds: http://tinyurl.com/kkgk2t #lrnchat
9:38:44 pm kelly_smith01: To bad performance improvement was not part of Sarbanes/Oxley – then we would get action #lrnchat
9:38:47 pm carmean: @AnnMarieBonneau No explanation can suffice. Just let it wash over you. Art is like that. #lrnchat
9:38:57 pm sprabu: Any one using smart phones for delivering learning or documents? #lrnchat
9:39:07 pm Erick1970: RT @Quinnovator: Q1: my org's just me, but in many orgs I see, lrng/trng has marginalized themselves as content providers #lrnchat
9:39:08 pm cammybean: @Dave_Ferguson The biggest company I've worked for had 400. I started as trainer there, but as part of IT not a trng dept. #lrnchat
9:39:16 pm abhijitkadle: @gargamit100 don't see you on lrnchat today?
9:39:18 pm JaneBozarth: @row4it Yes. I do it and it doesn't cause trouble. Others seem to see taking order as job security #lrnchat
9:39:20 pm MariaOD: @lmockford were you the one who bought up collaborative assessment?? #lrnchat
9:39:25 pm row4it: @AnnMarieBonneau it isn't for the linear learner. Catch as catch can! #lrnchat
9:39:28 pm carmean: RT @JaneBozarth: We must become feral trainers! #lrnchat
9:39:29 pm odguru: odguru@JaneBozarth – Feral agents of learning. Roaming improvers. #lrnchat
9:39:37 pm marciamarcia: Ensure training is intervention we consider last, not 1st. Help the business find solutions 1st in our practices. #lrnchat RT @barrykrauss
9:39:40 pm tjmeister: @AnnMarieBonneau Its easier to follow with a tool like tweetgrid that keeps track of stream ..& its archived for reviewing later. #lrnchat
9:39:46 pm dwilkinsnh: @MariaOD well as consultants, you don’t tell them that they are wrong, you say “yes absolutely, and [opposite argument]…” ; ) #lrnchat
9:39:46 pm Spydeesense: @JaneBozarth Okay what’s up with this feral training business? Is this anything like guerrilla learning? #lrnchat
9:39:49 pm damonregan: @moehlert sorry.. that came out like a command, but was supposed to sound like “show me the money” jerry maguire style #lrnchat
9:39:55 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean Quod erat demonstrandum. #lrnchat
9:40:03 pm gminks: RT @JaneBozarth: We must become feral trainers! #lrnchat
9:40:12 pm ethankuniyoshi: How to Keep Kids Engaged in Class | Edutopia http://bit.ly/1mUwZ5 #lrnchat
9:40:14 pm MariaOD: We should drink on feral. I dont’ think we’ll hear it again but its so cool! #lrnchat
9:40:23 pm marciamarcia: All generalizations are wrong — including this one. RT @QualityFrog via @amamrc #lrnchat
9:40:25 pm RedScareBot: Better dead than Red! RT @Dave_Ferguson @moehlert You’re going to the Intro to Nat’l Socialism seminar. Four days. Over a weekend #lrnchat
9:40:48 pm mizminh: RT @JaneBozarth We must become feral trainers! #lrnchat YES! I think so too. guerilla changeagents, free range mentors, some of us should
9:40:52 pm kasey428: No more contracts for training, only for performance enhancement solutions. Sounds good for internal needs also. #lrnchat
9:40:57 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cammybean I was with GE, which is like having dual citizenship but with much crankier leaders. #lrnchat
9:41:03 pm gminks: @MariaOD oh we’ll hear feral again #lrnchat
9:41:05 pm moehlert: @damonregan #lrnchat We start w usability and UX. As @koreenolbrish would say – watch the cognitive overhead and the seductive augmentation
9:41:08 pm MariaOD: @dwilkinsnh Yes, absolutely your staff don’t need training…it’s you that needs fixed! #lrnchat
9:41:09 pm xpconcept: inside consultants need to learn how to tell the stakeholders that their baby is ugly. It’s really pretty liberating for all. #lrnchat
9:41:16 pm damonregan: @marciamarcia a little twitter recursion.. nice. #lrnchat
9:41:17 pm tjmeister: @Spydeesense A gorrilla once learned sign language… #lrnchat
9:41:20 pm Quinnovator: RT @carmean: @AnnMarieBonneau No explanation can suffice. Just let it wash over you. Art is like that. #lrnchat
9:41:21 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @kelly_smith01: To bad performance improvement was not part of Sarbanes/Oxley – then we would get action #lrnchat « clever, right on!
9:41:34 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: We must become feral trainers! #lrnchat
9:41:51 pm Spydeesense: @AnnMarieBonneau Greetings! Best way to go is immerse yourself 1st then see what catches your fancy & go with that #lrnchat
9:42:00 pm ethankuniyoshi: @lmockford catch-ya next week! #lrnchat
9:42:01 pm Dave_Ferguson: @AnnMarieBonneau Yeah, but as you see, it’s loose. Here’s the blog: https://lrnchat.wordpress.com/about/
9:42:06 pm JaneBozarth: RT @carmean: @AnnMarieBonneau No explanation can suffice. Just let it wash over you. Art is like that. #lrnchat
9:42:07 pm MariaOD: RT @moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: We must become feral trainers! #lrnchat
9:42:15 pm moehlert: #lrnchat I’m in the ADDIE killin’ bizness, and cousin, bizness is boomin!
9:42:27 pm row4it: @JaneBozarth I’m in your camp and enjoy pushing back, don’t want the truth, I don’t have time to train your folks. #lrnchat
9:42:28 pm dwilkinsnh: @MariaOD Bingo. #lrnchat
9:42:30 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh ah, the old ‘yes and’ trick. Improv trained? #lrnchat
9:42:30 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Your name’s not Art. #lrnchat
9:42:38 pm roninchef: @odguru Bedouin Trainers. Divining the way to knowledge gaps everywhere. #lrnchat
9:42:51 pm gminks: @moehlert said ADDIE — Drink! #lrnchat
9:42:58 pm Quinnovator: @MariaOD if you’re feral, you’re already drinking! #lrnchat
9:43:00 pm damonregan: @moehlert but that sounds like content and formal training… maybe I’m not getting it in the 140 limit #lrnchat
9:43:00 pm ThomasStone: RT @xpconcept: inside consultants need to learn how to tell the stakeholders that their baby is ugly. Its really pretty liberating #lrnchat
9:43:16 pm carmean: I LOL’d aloud again: RT @moehlert: #lrnchat Im in the ADDIE killin bizness, and cousin, bizness is boomin! #lrnchat
9:43:21 pm Spydeesense: RT @awcheney: Call for chapters on social constructivism in virtual worlds: http://tinyurl.com/kkgk2t #lrnchat (via @moehlert)
9:43:25 pm JaneBozarth: @row4it Well, sometimes it’s more “Let me tell you what will have a better chance of solving this for you” #lrnchat
9:43:36 pm kelly_smith01: RT LOL moehlert #lrnchat I’m in the ADDIE killin’ bizness, and cousin, bizness is boomin! #lrnchat
9:43:36 pm cammybean: RT @xpconcept: inside consultants need to learn how to tell the stakeholders that their baby is ugly. It’s really pretty liberating #lrnchat
9:43:39 pm lrnchat: Q3) In what ways can you get mgmt support & influence transfer of training back to the job? #lrnchat
9:43:50 pm kasey428: Feral, just like the cats at the dumpster right now…Magical Mr. Mistoffelees #lrnchat
9:43:51 pm ethankuniyoshi: @AnnMarieBonneau hang in there, it starts making sense with the right apps #lrnchat
9:43:52 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator I only wish – mine was learned from the school of hard knocks – the improv of life… : ) #lrnchat
9:43:57 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kasey428 Recent proj for one large agency, they specified PPT layout, color palette, pic size. I could choose sock color. #lrnchat
9:44:09 pm JaneBozarth: Managers often really don’t want the “training” they are requesting. They want a problem solved. Do that. #lrnchat
9:44:10 pm Spydeesense: @tjmeister Indeed! But did it teach others that? #lrnchat
9:44:13 pm marciamarcia: .@AnnMarieBonneau Learn more at http://sn.im/lrnchat. I moderate on @lrnchat & participate here. #lrnchat
9:44:15 pm sahana2802: Have to leave for office now. Reluctant to leave such a wonderful discussion. Will read the transcripts tonight. Thank you all #lrnchat
9:44:20 pm carmean: @Dave_Ferguson I’m not Art, but I’m still hanging on the wall. #lrnchat
9:44:26 pm odguru: What do clients want when they say “out of the box”? #Lrnchat
9:44:31 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @J_Schulz: @ethankuniyoshi Can I get an ‘Amen’ from the audience??!!?? #lrnchat « hehehe
9:44:37 pm moehlert: @roninchef #lrnchat Careful. I already see the launch of B2B enterprise grade “Learning Oasis” and “Knowledge Camels”
9:44:49 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson and I’m not like that #lrnchat
9:44:52 pm jmarrapodi: RT @JaneBozarth: Managers often really dont want the “training” they are requesting. They want a problem solved. Do that. #lrnchat
9:44:52 pm moehlert: RT @lrnchat: Q3) In what ways can you get mgmt support & influence transfer of training back to the job? #lrnchat
9:45:05 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @lrnchat: Q3) In what ways can you get mgmt support & influence transfer of training back to the job? #lrnchat
9:45:10 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) In what ways can you get mgmt support & influence transfer of training back to the job? #lrnchat
9:45:15 pm Dave_Ferguson: @odguru What do clients want out of the box? Sometimes, just the cardboard. #lrnchat
9:45:17 pm mizminh: RT We start w usability and UX. As @koreenolbrish would say – watch the cognitive overhead and the seductive augmentation #lrnchat
9:45:38 pm wlonline: @xpconcept Starting 1 for design thinking http://sites.google.com/site/dtpatterns/ ; check out resources on that site #lrnchat
9:45:43 pm J_Schulz: OMG RT @Dave_Ferguson: Rcnt proj for 1 large agency, they specified PPT layout, color palette, pic size. I could choose sock color. #lrnchat
9:45:46 pm JaneBozarth: Q3 Recruit managers as cotrainers; include them in development so they know what the training covers/tries to achieve #lrnchat
9:45:47 pm kasey428: @odguru PowerPoints with motion. More handouts. #lrnchat
9:45:55 pm odguru: RT @lrnchat: Q3) In what ways can you get mgmt support & influence transfer of training back to the job? #lrnchat
9:45:57 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) Lie to them; most won’t know enough to call you on it… joking? #lrnchat
9:45:57 pm xpconcept: Q3) leverage mentor opportunities, leverage performance support as a foundation, provide persistence beyond events. #lrnchat
9:46:04 pm MariaOD: @moehlert Just realized your pic is not Marky Mark but Brad Pitt!!!! I need to get out more! Geez #lrnchat
9:46:19 pm kelly_smith01: Q3 1st re-read Rummler & show impact of performance improvement on internal buss, process – make sure mgmt know Rummler #lrnchat
9:46:33 pm tjmeister: @Spydeesense I’m sorry, you said guerrilla learning not gorrilla learning.. tiny font size and old age..😉 #lrnchat
9:46:39 pm roninchef: @moehlert Ahh, but to be the Lawrence of Informal Learning. Now that would be something. I am going to get fitted for my camel. #lrnchat
9:46:39 pm Quinnovator: Q3: focus on performance improvement, manage ‘up’, mention value of actual measurable impacts #lrnchat
9:46:53 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Rcnt proj for 1 large agency, they specified PPT layout, color palette, pic size. I could choose sock color. #lrnchat
9:47:06 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat You really wanna know? Figure out a solution that makes them look good. Poof! Instant support.
9:47:10 pm kelly_smith01: add Rummler and ADDIE to the game #lrnchat
9:47:27 pm row4it: What you provide has to add value for the business and ees need to see application on the job & beyond the classroom #lrnchat
9:47:28 pm moehlert: @MariaOD Um, yeah.🙂 #lrnchat
9:47:29 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @roninchef: @odguru Bedouin Trainers. Divining the way to knowledge gaps everywhere. #lrnchat « great metaphor
9:47:30 pm mrch0mp3rs: RT @moehlert #lrnchat I’m in the ADDIE killin’ bizness, and cousin, bizness is boomin!
9:47:38 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) How about ROI? “I can reduce turnover by 6% & avg cost of dysfunctional turnover is $370,000 per employee, therefore…” #lrnchat
9:47:46 pm marciamarcia: Managers often really don’t want “training” they request. They want a problem solved. Do that. #lrnchat RT @JaneBozarth
9:47:47 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kelly_smith01 Only if you can spell his first name right. #lrnchat
9:47:53 pm Erick1970: RT @lrnchat: Q3) In what ways can you get mgmt support & influence transfer of training back to the job? #lrnchat
9:47:58 pm Spydeesense: @tjmeister I was with you the whole way no worries! #lrnchat
9:47:59 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef TMI #lrnchat
9:48:00 pm moehlert: @roninchef #lrnchat You DO NOT want an ill-fitting camel….just sayin
9:48:08 pm moehlert: RT @marciamarcia: Managers often really don’t want “training” they request. They want a problem solved. Do that. #lrnchat RT @JaneBozarth
9:48:11 pm xpconcept: Q3) Paint the strategy as a campaign. Think bigger. How can the things we provide provide more value? Overlap w/ their goals. #lrnchat
9:48:22 pm mizminh: stage a coup🙂 #lrnchat
9:48:31 pm J_Schulz: @mrch0mp3rs Are you lurking again? #lrnchat
9:48:37 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q3: it always worked well to partner w/ line org (or client) w problem pressing enough but not crushing: more open to alternatives #lrnchat
9:48:48 pm Erick1970: Q3: Show managers how the learning helps address root causes of issues and enables improved performance #lrnchat
9:48:57 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @Quinnovator: Q3: focus on performance improvement, manage ‘up’, mention value of actual measurable impacts #lrnchat
9:49:03 pm kasey428: RT @mizminh: stage a coup🙂 #lrnchat
9:49:09 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q3: can also work to find internal groups that HATE training as it usually appears. #lrnchat
9:49:15 pm tjmeister: RT @mizminh: stage a coup :)/RT Become the management… #lrnchat
9:49:17 pm JaneBozarth: YOU be more credible. YOU spend time on shop floor, in food service prep area, in intake ward. Know their reality;. #lrnchat
9:49:45 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh you said ROI, drink! #lrnchat
9:50:00 pm moehlert: Will read: RT @josiefraser: RT @melaniemcbride: The hidden curriculum of 21st century learning http://bit.ly/4bsqJP #lrnchat
9:50:00 pm odguru: Q3: Add value to the business. You in particular. Be accountable. Deliver. Enjoy it. #lrnchat:
9:50:01 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @JaneBozarth: Managers often really don’t want “training” they request. They want a problem solved. Do that. #lrnchat via @marciamarcia
9:50:06 pm roninchef: @moehlert Tell me about it. Ohh the chaffing. Sorry, @Quinnovator #lrnchat
9:50:18 pm ethankuniyoshi: @moehlert So, you’re saying ADDIE is worthless? I’d argue an accurate front-end analysis saves huge development time & energy #lrnchat
9:50:24 pm wlonline: @xpconcept We are still working on it. You might want to check out the ELEN work http://bit.ly/20ogdP #lrnchat
9:50:35 pm mgharavi: Q3 Bring it back to ROI. Make mgmnt see indirect impact on customers. Make img vivid enough to make them think it’s their vision. #lrnchat
9:50:38 pm ThomasStone: RT @Erick1970: Q3: Show managers how the learning helps address root causes of issues and enables improved performance #lrnchat
9:50:48 pm MariaOD: Q3- Be prepared to show performance improvement to justify opportunity cost. Show ’em the money! #lrnchat
9:50:51 pm marciamarcia: YOU be more credible. YOU spend time on shop floor, in food service prep area, in intake ward. Know their reality. #lrnchat RT @JaneBozarth
9:50:54 pm ThomasStone: RT @JaneBozarth: YOU be more credible. YOU spend time on shop floor, in food service prep area, in intake ward. Know their reality #lrnchat
9:51:06 pm jmarrapodi: How is it that Geary Rummler is a trending topic tonight? #lrnchat
9:51:07 pm mizminh: read Paolo Friere #lrnchat
9:51:41 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: U b more credible. U spend time on shop floor, in food service prep area, in intake ward. Know their reality;. #lrnchat
9:51:42 pm wlonline: A few ppl in their areas of work realising need to change and chipping away at their area of influence & doing things #lrnchat
9:51:43 pm MariaOD: @mgharavi I always try to do this…sometimes we conflict so it’s tough! #lrnchat
9:51:50 pm Quinnovator: Q3: know the management: do they want numbers? Good stories? Conceptual argument? #lrnchat
9:51:55 pm kasey428: Q3) Tie effort to the corporate strategic goals and demonstrate passion for change. Become an evangelist! #lrnchat
9:52:03 pm Spydeesense: Q3: Practically (a la Tim Gunn) “make it work” for them & make them look good/make their lives easier not elegant but it sells #lrnchat
9:52:12 pm MariaOD: RT @JaneBozarth: YOU be more credible. YOU spend time on shop floor, in food service prep area, in intake ward. Know their reality #lrnchat
9:52:15 pm mgharavi: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q3-How about ROI? “I can reduce turnover by …” [Avg turnover = 60% of employee salary] #lrnchat
9:52:17 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jmarrapodi Because Geary Rummler was smart, passionate, hated training-as-nonsense. #lrnchat
9:52:27 pm JaneBozarth: Is now a good time for me to say there’ s no such thing as ROI? #lrnchat
9:52:35 pm tjmeister: If it is that hard to convince management, should they be in management.. #lrnchat
9:52:44 pm mizminh: encourage feral, autonomous learning of change management amongst your colleagues #lrnchat
9:52:49 pm Quinnovator: @ethankuniyoshi @moehlert ADDIE: drink! #lrnchat
9:53:04 pm Erick1970: RT @marciamarcia: Managers often really don’t want “training” they request. They want a problem solved. Do that. #lrnchat RT @JaneBozarth
9:53:08 pm mgharavi: @MariaOD I hear you. It could help to get other mid-lvl managers to see & share your vision then advocate on your behalf #lrnchat
9:53:15 pm moehlert: @ethankuniyoshi #lrnchat Agreed – would argue though that ADDIE is about production model, NOT about learning.
9:53:28 pm gminks: gasp!! RT @JaneBozarth: Is now a good time for me to say there s no such thing as ROI? #lrnchat
9:53:33 pm Dave_Ferguson: @tjmeister Sometimes “hard to convince” is a prereq for management. Can be good, can be bad. #lrnchat
9:53:41 pm kasey428: RT @JaneBozarth: Is now a good time for me to say there s no such thing as ROI? #lrnchat
9:53:42 pm kelly_smith01: RE: ADDIE Killing I’d argue an accurate front-end analysis saves huge development time & energy Thats just the A, #lrnchat
9:53:43 pm roninchef: Q3 My team has done it by doing cleanup for other teams. Showing mgmt that is how you do it. Next time, they come to us first. #lrnchat
9:53:48 pm dwilkinsnh: Q3) I really think we gotta link to money and business impact — it’s easy stuff to show if you take the time to do the work. #lrnchat
9:53:52 pm roninchef: RT @lrnchat: Q3) In what ways can you get mgmt support & influence transfer of training back to the job? #lrnchat
9:53:58 pm carmean: @kasey428 Managers hate evangelists. They’re too feral. #lrnchat
9:54:08 pm gminks: OMG rummler is one of my readings for this week! #lrnchat
9:54:10 pm barrykrauss: Q3) Managers want options and to make decisions. Give them options and choices to make. This builds buy in. #lrnchat
9:54:14 pm Spydeesense: @JaneBozarth Again perfect timing #lrnchat
9:54:17 pm marciamarcia: Yes, yes it is time. RT @JaneBozarth: Is now a good time for me to say there’ s no such thing as ROI? #lrnchat
9:54:17 pm ThomasStone: yes, definitely key RT @Quinnovator: Q3: know the management: do they want numbers? Good stories? Conceptual argument? #lrnchat
9:54:37 pm J_Schulz: @moehlert @ethankuniyoshi Would also argue that ADDIE not properly followed. Way too much focus on Development these days. #lrnchat
9:54:46 pm odguru: RT: @JaneBozart YOU be more credible. YOU spend time on shop floor, in food service prep area, in intake ward. Know their reality;. #lrnchat
9:54:54 pm MariaOD: RT @gminks: OMG rummler is one of my readings for this week! #lrnchat
9:54:58 pm moehlert: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @jmarrapodi Because Geary Rummler was smart, passionate, hated training-as-nonsense. #lrnchat
9:55:00 pm kasey428: @carmean LOL #lrnchat
9:55:02 pm kelly_smith01: Rummler should be read every week. I am way behind. #lrnchat
9:55:10 pm mgharavi: Agreed: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q3) I really think we gotta link to money and business impact #lrnchat
9:55:11 pm wlonline: If they realise the time that can be saved through better work performance and achievements? #lrnchat
9:55:20 pm gminks: RT @J_Schulz: @moehlert @ethankuniyoshi Would also argue that ADDIE not properly followed. too much focus on Development #lrnchat
9:55:25 pm damonregan: RT @J_Schulz Way too much focus on development these days. #lrnchat
9:55:25 pm JaneBozarth: @Spydeesense @marciamarcia Thank you. Thank you very much. #lrnchat
9:55:25 pm carmean: Yes, Jane. If you tell us why. RT @JaneBozarth: Is now a good time for me to say there s no such thing as ROI? #lrnchat
9:55:32 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks I always rec Mager/What Every Manager Should Know to client managers… #lrnchat
9:55:37 pm dwilkinsnh: @JaneBozarth Wha…? Really? No ROI? Ok, spill some reasoning please. #lrnchat
9:55:50 pm butwait: RT @carmean Feral learners. Free range learners. Love it. More zing than ‘self-regulated’. That’ll never sell. #lrnchat [language matters!]
9:55:53 pm Quinnovator: now you’re going to make me read Rummler #lrnchat
9:55:53 pm gminks: This seals it, doing my project on Rummler #lrnchat
9:56:11 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks …and Rummler/Brache “Managing the White Space” to anyone serious about improving org performance #lrnchat
9:56:23 pm damonregan: Saying ADDIE is bad is like saying scientific method is bad because people focus to much on experiments #lrnchat
9:56:27 pm ThomasStone: @JaneBozarth No such thing as Raspberry Orange Intake? No!!! I love that commercial (Sonic) #lrnchat
9:56:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator You can find “White Space” cheap at AbeBooks.com #lrnchat
9:56:41 pm xpconcept: Implementation and Evaluation suck hard in most orgs. Analysis is either over or under done (one flavor) #lrnchat
9:56:44 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @dwilkinsnh: Q3…gotta link to money and business impact — it’s easy stuff to show if you take the time to do the work. #lrnchat
9:56:45 pm kelly_smith01: RT Dave_Ferguson @gminks I always rec Mager/What Every Manager Should Know to client managers… (yeah) #lrnchat
9:56:46 pm moehlert: @J_Schulz @ethankuniyoshi #lrnchat and that 2nd “D”, Design is crippled and misunderstood and raised like veal.
9:56:47 pm Erick1970: @dwilkinsnh Too much focus in L&D on “level” — measurement & eval should start with business impact to get mgmt buy-in #lrnchat
9:56:54 pm kasey428: Any real change has to come from leaders (who usually are not managers) telling the managers “it will be done.” #lrnchat
9:57:07 pm gminks: @allez08 see? RT @Dave_Ferguson: @gminksRummler/Brache “Managing the White Space” to anyone serious about improving org performance #lrnchat
9:57:21 pm carmean: Is there a movie version? RT @Quinnovator: now youre going to make me read Rummler #lrnchat
9:57:25 pm Dave_Ferguson: How many who profess to use ADDIE say, “Hey, there’s no training problem here?” #lrnchat
9:57:31 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @damonregan: Saying ADDIE is bad is like saying scientific method is bad because people focus 2 much on experiments #lrnchat « agree!
9:57:38 pm kasey428: Make a leader your friend…evangelize. #lrnchat
9:57:41 pm marciamarcia: Practically (ala Tim Gunn) “make it work” for them & make them look good/their lives easier. #lrnchat RT @Spydeesense <applies widely
9:57:43 pm dwilkinsnh: @Dave_Ferguson Yep real good stuff, ties well to the work of Rob Cross and Sal Parise on ONA. #lrnchat
9:57:48 pm mizminh: read Ricardo Semler's Maverick – pass it round the workplace #lrnchat
9:58:12 pm ethankuniyoshi: RT @barrykrauss: Q3) Managers want options and to make decisions. Give them options and choices to make. This builds buy in. #lrnchat
9:58:16 pm damonregan: @kasey428 become a leader — focus on what matters #lrnchat
9:58:18 pm mrch0mp3rs: @J_Schulz I just got the kids to bed. #lrnchat
9:58:45 pm planetrussell: @JaneBozarth @moehlert Recently offered feral Kopi Luwak coffee (#7) – http://www.tr.im/xjkX I declined. Persuing ferality by other means. #lrnchat
9:58:45 pm Dave_Ferguson: @xpconcept If upper management could evaluate, "merger" would not be synonym for "huge freaking disaster." #lrnchat
9:58:49 pm moehlert: @xpconcept #lrnchat Right. People think ADDIE is about learning. I could use it to build cars.
9:58:53 pm wlonline: @xpconcept I like Pattern Language as it is about getting things in a form that can be shared #lrnchat
9:59:02 pm roninchef: Alright, feral has now jumped the shark. It's like sustainable, organic, ROI & Costner. Words that are played out. RIP, feral. #lrnchat
9:59:09 pm Quinnovator: too many mis-apprehensions. look: design trumps development, analysis trumps specifications etc #lrnchat
9:59:26 pm Erick1970: that should have been too much focus on "level 1" — completely meaningless metric to mangers and business leaders #lrnchat
9:59:28 pm J_Schulz: @mrch0mp3rs Goof – they could have chatted too! #lrnchat
9:59:33 pm kasey428: @damonregan I prefer to be the power behind the throne. #lrnchat
9:59:49 pm xpconcept: @moehlert – yep:) same frameworks apply to most solution engineering disciplines. #lrnchat
9:59:50 pm Dave_Ferguson: Joe Harless: "an ounce of analysis is worth a pound of objectives." #lrnchat
10:00:09 pm gminks: @roninchef Costner? #lrnchat
10:00:12 pm kelly_smith01: RT Quinnovator too many mis-apprehensions. look: design trumps development, analysis trumps specifications etc #lrnchat #lrnchat
10:00:13 pm gminks: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Joe Harless: "an ounce of analysis is worth a pound of objectives." #lrnchat
10:00:20 pm Quinnovator: @planetrussell why I drink tea, do you know where that bean's been? #7 #lrnchat
10:00:38 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks Costner fell INTO the shark w/ Robin Hood. #lrnchat
10:00:41 pm kelly_smith01: Alas I can't find Joe Harless: "an ounce of analysis is worth a pound of objectives." #lrnchat
10:00:45 pm kasey428: RT @Quinnovator: too many mis-apprehensions. look: design trumps development, analysis trumps specifications etc #lrnchat
10:00:50 pm wlonline: Gotta go, thanks everyone #lrnchat
10:00:51 pm JaneBozarth: @roninchef See I say feral and it gets ridden to death. Can I be a rabid learner instead? #lrnchat
10:01:01 pm damonregan: @kasey428 you probably already are a leader. I was just suggesting an expansion of your idea as a statement #lrnchat
10:01:02 pm xpconcept: @wlonline – started some pattern work a few years ago with Ian Douglas (FSU) – sort of fell off cause nobody else was interested:) #lrnchat
10:01:19 pm JaneBozarth: HA! RT @moehlert: @xpconcept #lrnchat Right. People think ADDIE is about learning. I could use it to build cars.
10:01:29 pm J_Schulz: @Erick1970 Check out Jack Philips results (at ASTD) from a poll of CEO's – T&D depts are WAY off from what CEO's want from us. #lrnchat
10:01:37 pm xpconcept: lol @ dave_ferguson – fell into the shark – rofl. #lrnchat
10:01:38 pm Dave_Ferguson: @kelly_smith01 Joe Harless was (and remains) my hero. #lrnchat
10:01:50 pm carmean: @JaneBozarth Keep feral. We'll have forgotten it tomorrow. #lrnchat
10:01:54 pm Quinnovator: Cliffs Notes? Readers Digest Condensed? Dummies? RT @carmean: Is there a movie version? RT now youre going to make me read Rummler #lrnchat
10:01:55 pm Erick1970: @roninchef of course we really do need a feral organic training program with a sustainable ROI #lrnchat
10:01:59 pm roninchef: @gminks You know, like as in Kevin. "That guy has a God complex, he is so Costner." #lrnchat
10:02:07 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat Infectious Learner?
10:02:18 pm kasey428: @damonregan Thx…I knew that. #lrnchat
10:02:19 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth Feral = edgy. Rabid = fell off edge (not in a good way). #lrnchat
10:02:24 pm mizminh: @roninchef ok how about ummm ronin!??😉 #lrnchat🙂🙂🙂
10:02:25 pm dwilkinsnh: If you can't show org benefit in terms of dollars, why do the intervention at all? No other org could get away w/ this, only L&D. #lrnchat
10:02:38 pm gminks: @xpconcept did you go to FSU #lrnchat
10:02:41 pm mrch0mp3rs: Working code / whatever works trumps all theory #lrnchat
10:02:44 pm jsuzcampos: #lrnchat, learning is a solution to a well defined performance problem ONLY when the problem exists (in part) to a lack of knowledge & skill
10:02:45 pm gminks: @roninchef ahhhhh #lrnchat
10:02:57 pm kelly_smith01: I took the ABCD thing Joe had a number of years ago. Also wrote a novel Joe not me #lrnchat
10:03:11 pm Erick1970: @J_Schulz Yep. Saw that — always start with the business problem & what metric matters to the business – not L&D metrics #lrnchat
10:03:18 pm ethankuniyoshi: wish I could stay longer, but I gotta run. thanks all for another stimulating conversation! #lrnchat
10:03:21 pm kasey428: Listening to Dylan, "for the times are a'changin." And they are. #lrnchat
10:03:44 pm xpconcept: @gminks – nope. I work with lots of Coasties. Lots of those guys are FSU alum or SDSU. Close ties. #lrnchat
10:04:01 pm J_Schulz: @jsuzcampos That sounds very, … ummm, … professor like. #lrnchat
10:04:02 pm mgharavi: RT @Erick1970: … always start with the business problem & what metric matters to the business – not L&D metrics #lrnchat
10:04:25 pm Quinnovator: RT @jsuzcampos: #lrnchat, learning is solution to well defined perf problem ONLY when problem exists (in part) to lack of knowledge & skill
10:04:32 pm MariaOD: RT @mgharavi: RT @Erick1970: … always start with the business problem & what metric matters to the business – not L&D metrics #lrnchat
10:04:34 pm planetrussell: .@Quinnovator In the case of feral Luwak coffee, yes, I *do* know where beans have been. Hence (gracious) decline of invitation. #lrnchat
10:04:49 pm roninchef: @mizminh A warrior trainer with no master. Ronin learning. I can warm up to that one. Could be a classic.🙂 #lrnchat
10:04:55 pm odguru: Measurement is important; ROI alone 2 simple/surface/transient a measure of the worth of knowldge transfr, engagement & practice. #Lrnchat
10:05:00 pm mrch0mp3rs: @dwilkinsnh agreed. Figuring out what to measure isn't that hard, you just need the will to do the legwork. #lrnchat
10:05:05 pm Quinnovator: thanks all for great #lrnchat as always!
10:05:06 pm MariaOD: Yes! @Erick1970 We just do level 1. It means nothing but we trainers like NPS! #lrnchat
10:05:44 pm lrnchat: Running a bit behind folks. Great to see you all here. Keep chatting if you want. Great conversation!
10:05:50 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
10:05:55 pm moehlert: Damn! #lrnchat Is it 10:00 already?!
10:05:59 pm Dave_Ferguson: I'll bet correlation between smile-sheet fans and Myers-Briggs believers is about .94 #lrnchat
10:06:10 pm Erick1970: @Quinnovator @jsuzcampos #lrnchat You both are very correct. We must use our consultant skills to help uncover the root problems.
10:06:29 pm gminks: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Ill bet correlation between smile-sheet fans and Myers-Briggs believers is about .94 #lrnchat
10:06:32 pm mizminh: @kasey428 high water's rising Dylan has said more recently & they seem to be too – part of the change #lrnchat
10:06:33 pm MariaOD: I leave you #lrnchat with a feral grin on my face! Great session tonight!
10:06:40 pm tjmeister: Speaking of sharks, its all about the shark now, if you stop moving forward you die… #lrnchat
10:06:43 pm JaneBozarth: @dwilkinsnh See that's exactly the problem…. #lrnchat
10:06:57 pm kelly_smith01: This has been great. Plus I got 2 increase my tweet count. I am ahead of Pete Rose now #lrnchat
10:07:07 pm xpconcept: Look to downstream organizational measures first – what difference will / can it make. Work back from there. Not a fan of L1:( #lrnchat
10:07:12 pm Dave_Ferguson: Instr designer, perf improvement, professional tangentifier… #lrnchat
10:07:20 pm kasey428: Where I work, one had better start out trying to solve a business problem for sure. Chow for now…as always, it was fun. #lrnchat
10:07:21 pm dwilkinsnh: @odguru agreed but l say: let's extend it and estimate deeper value, rather than abandon the notion of evaluating impact altogether #lrnchat
10:07:24 pm mizminh: @roninchef I like it too – freelance like in europe mediaeval times #lrnchat
10:07:28 pm jsuzcampos: "A problem well-stated is a problem half- solved." Help training orgs understand & define their problems. Then, propose solutions. #lrnchat
10:07:33 pm MariaOD: Go Bucks, Beat Navy! @janebozarth lol #lrnchat
10:07:52 pm Dave_Ferguson: DC (NoVa) based colleague is looking for Articulate expert, possible mentor. DM w/ suggestions. #lrnchat
10:07:56 pm mizminh: itz midday here #lrnchat
10:07:58 pm gminks: I have to drop off too — by yall!! #lrnchat
10:08:02 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, Walnut Creek, feral learning experience designer, gun-for-hire (mobile, games, adaptive system, strategy) #lrnchat
10:08:26 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Mark Oehlert here from Washington DC. Awesome. Help me by filling in the SoMe for learning post-it board http://tinyurl.com/nlvudl
10:08:31 pm dwilkinsnh: @JaneBozarth but it all goes back to dollars – everything we do in an org does: revenue goes up or costs go down #lrnchat
10:08:35 pm Dave_Ferguson: Night, all. Here's tae us. Wha's like us? Damn few — and they're a' deid. #lrnchat
10:08:40 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls remember to submit Qs & theme ideas for upcoming chats at http://sn.im/lrnchat. See u next week!
10:08:53 pm roninchef: Well look at the time! I have to run. Good chat tonight folks. Mason Masteka, Elearning Developer in Maine, signing off. #lrnchat
10:08:55 pm Erick1970: @lrnchat I am an Organizational Effectiveness Analyst/Consultant & the 2009 #ASTDNWA chapter president #lrnchat
10:08:57 pm mizminh: my 2nd #lrnchat & many thanx to all involved –🙂 thoroughly engaging & enjoyable

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