Transcript of #lrnchat August 13 2009

8:30:24 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How’ve you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
8:31:35 pm KoreenOlbrish: on vacation but can’t stay away from #lrnchat
8:32:03 pm lrnchat: Rules for #lrnchat: 1) Introduce yourself. (We do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:32:07 pm roninchef: We’ll be talking about “Paving cow Paths” tonight in #lrnchat
8:32:20 pm gminks: yay its time for #lrnchat
8:32:34 pm jwillensky: Good evening, #lrnchat habitues.
8:32:41 pm Quinnovator: RT @roninchef: We’ll be talking about “Paving cow Paths” tonight in #lrnchat
8:32:57 pm ScottWyler: RT @Quinnovator: going to be a lot of tweets about learning from me for next 1.5 hours, join us! #lrnchat
8:33:42 pm JaneBozarth: Jane Bozarth, Raleigh, author, doctor of Learning Stuff, keeping celebrities alive on Thursdays since June #lrnchat
8:33:52 pm gminks: Q0. I’m Gina, outside Boston, technical corporate training pays the bills & most of my grad school tuition #lrnchat
8:33:56 pm lrnchat: 3) When writing, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. 4) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
8:34:27 pm grantricketts: Grant Ricketts here, SF bay area, learning governance and best practices are fav topics, aside from other personal interests… #lrnchat
8:34:29 pm jwillensky: Jason Willensky, independent ID, Phoenix, AZ. #lrnchat
8:34:41 pm gminks: RT @ScottWyler: RT @Quinnovator: going to be a lot of tweets about learning from me for next 1.5 hours, join us! #lrnchat
8:34:47 pm lrnchat: 5) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about so they can chime in.
8:35:07 pm kellygarber: Kelly here, florida, freelance instructional designer #lrnchat
8:35:09 pm kasey428: Kay Wood, Client Engagement Mgr., DC area. Cognitive science and improving the learning in e-learning #lrnchat
8:35:10 pm JaneBozarth: and I am a gubmint worker #lrnchat
8:35:28 pm J_Schulz: Q0 – John Schulz, Chicago, Learning Tech/Perf Consultant. #lrnchat
8:35:38 pm gmstoner: going to be a lot of tweets about learning from me for next 1.5 hours, join us! #lrnchat
8:35:48 pm gminks: @kasey428 hi Kay!! #lrnchat
8:35:57 pm hjarche: Harold Jarche, recent dropout from twitter but connected via identi.ca and seeing what life’s like from our little cyber-ghetto #lrnchat
8:36:00 pm jkmind: hello, this is my first time #lrnchat/
8:36:01 pm wlonline: WL from Sydney, ICT, university: interested in learning/ research ed & tech #lrnchat
8:36:13 pm lrnchat: 6) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com, http://tweetgrid.com & http://twubs.com/lrnchat work well.
8:36:16 pm KoreenOlbrish: Koreen, currently in Stonington CT but usually Phillyish, love me some games, VWs, immersive learning, and football. Preseason!! #lrnchat
8:36:32 pm dbolen: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat Les Paul?
8:36:33 pm gminks: @jkmind welcome to the lrnchat pool!! #lrnchat
8:36:35 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat Kae from Colorado, instructional designer, games & simulations, virtual worlds, immersive environments, ARGS & student engagement
8:36:51 pm kasey428: RT @gminks @kasey428 hi Kay!! Hi, girl…how are you? #lrnchat
8:37:06 pm ScottWyler: Scott Wyler, Los Angeles, f2f facilitation, curious how to incorporate informal/social/etc. into what I do #lrnchat
8:37:19 pm lrnchat: 7) 10min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
8:37:22 pm avron: Good evening #lrnchat. Avron Barr, California, LETSI.org
8:37:27 pm KristiBroom: Kristi Broom, Minneapolis, Learning Technology #lrnchat
8:37:41 pm JaneBozarth: Welcome jmkind. Has anyone told you about how the new person has to be bartender? #lrnchat
8:38:01 pm Quinnovator: Q0: Clark Quinn, SF Bay area, learning design gun-for-hire deep games, mobile, informal…) #lrnchat troublemaker
8:38:08 pm wlonline: @jkmind Welcome! #lrnchat
8:38:12 pm Quinnovator: welcome new folks! #lrnchat
8:38:14 pm dbolen: Don from Atlanta, learning design, project management #lrnchat
8:38:15 pm roninchef: @hjarche What do you think of identi.ca? #lrnchat
8:38:22 pm gminks: @kasey428 I got a little beat up this week, but you know you can’t keep a GA girl down! #lrnchat
8:38:31 pm pedepede2: Natalie, Sydney, Australia, e-learning design, supporting creative practice, 1st time at #lrnchat
8:38:38 pm dbolen: @vijeesh welcome #lrnchat
8:38:41 pm jkmind: hi back Koreen, thanks for turning me onto this. I’m still learning the ropes #lrnchat/
8:38:41 pm KoreenOlbrish: @kzenovka your bio sounds like mine!🙂 #lrnchat
8:38:47 pm rpannoni: Rob Pannoni, enterprise learning consultant – learning governance, http://www.razorlearning.com, Silicon Valley #lrnchat
8:38:48 pm tmiket: Mike Taylor, Columbus, Learning developer #lrnchat
8:38:54 pm Spydeesense: Danger, will (Robinson) tweet intermittently about learning as I’m working join please #lrnchat Marcus, Tandem Learning, PA, superfreak
8:39:16 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome, also check out @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:39:18 pm kasey428: RT @dbolen Don from Atlanta; you’re from my hometown..Hi, Atlanta! #lrnchat
8:39:20 pm LearnNuggets: Hey followers! Join me and many others in the learning industry at #lrnchat. Right now! #lrnchat
8:39:28 pm wlonline: @vijeesh Welcome … #lrnchat
8:39:39 pm maggiedana: Maggie Dana, British author (Beachcombing, Macmillan, 2009), book designer and typesetter, from Connecticut http://bit.ly/mgqzP #lrnchat
8:39:56 pm wlonline: @pedepede2 Hi n welcome, glad you can make it #lrnchat
8:39:59 pm moehlert: RT @moehlert: Hi All! Mark Oehlert here from outside Washington DC. Advanced Technology, Innovation Evangelist #lrnchat
8:40:09 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks Oh yeah? I got beat up on Facebook! Jeez. #lrnchat
8:40:24 pm gminks: I have learned we better step it up and save social media from those who only want to monetize it #lrnchat
8:40:36 pm tmiket: RT @LearnNuggets: Hey followers! Join me and many others in the learning industry at #lrnchat. Right now! #lrnchat
8:40:48 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth you did? People suck. That is why I am a techie. #lrnchat
8:40:59 pm jkmind: just got tweetchat to work right. I’m an ID in the Trenton area of NJ #lrnchat
8:41:02 pm dbolen: @kasey428 hiya back #lrnchat
8:41:19 pm dwilkinsnh: David Wilkins, Executive Director of Product Marketing at Learn.com out of Nashua, NH #lrnchat
8:41:21 pm moehlert: #lrnchat I learned 90 minutes can be a really long time
8:41:41 pm gminks: @rpannoni what is learning governance? #lrnchat
8:41:47 pm LearnNuggets: Q0 Learned building the same PPT templates for elearning can be used in both Articulate and Lectora #lrnchat
8:41:54 pm KoreenOlbrish: i learned that its not a myth that you get sunburnt worse when its cloudy #lrnchat
8:42:15 pm JaneBozarth: @dwilkinish How’s the new job? #lrnchat
8:42:17 pm tmiket: @moehlert 90 minutes long except when lrnchatting? #lrnchat
8:42:21 pm wlonline: Q0 This week learnt about organisational change theory and research #lrnchat
8:42:25 pm marciamarcia: @LearnNuggets Clothespins? My kitchen pantry’s best friend is my son. #lrnchat
8:42:46 pm kasey428: I learned how silly NASBA CPE credit standards are for elearning. I don’t think NASBA knows what it means to learn. #lrnchat
8:43:03 pm Spydeesense: This week I learned I don’t actually need to sleep every night voluntarily and involuntarily #lrnchat
8:43:06 pm JaneBozarth: I learned about salvaging planes from the ocean floor #lrnchat
8:43:08 pm ScottWyler: Learned that some kids today are “post-blog” in their online life #lrnchat
8:43:09 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat @JaneBozarth no – do you believe it! I gave a 1 pg handout in twitter 101 and no handout at all in our SL sim demo.
8:43:12 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: learned today integrity says if they want it fast & you want to do it right, a graceful exit is good all around #lrnchat
8:43:20 pm J_Schulz: I learnt me some brain rules: reading Medina’s book. #lrnchat
8:43:25 pm JaneBozarth: And I learned about Ticketmaster — good article in New Yorker #lrnchat
8:43:27 pm jwillensky: I learned that the IRS can deliver exceptional customer service by phone. No joke. #lrnchat
8:43:45 pm gminks: oh yeah I learned I got an A in my Web 2.0 class (yes I care about the grade..) #lrnchat
8:43:51 pm dwilkinsnh: I learned that you should always register and inspect your car on time #lrnchat
8:43:58 pm roninchef: Q0: I learned today that I need to explain what it is I do to my trainers in easy to understand terms. No geek speak. #lrnchat
8:44:07 pm wlonline: Also this week lots of stuff via #opened09 #lrnchat
8:44:07 pm LearnNuggets: @marciamarcia Yeah, the equal to the plastic chip clips. Bag of 100 pins $2 #lrnchat
8:44:15 pm jkmind: congrats gminks #lrnchat
8:44:24 pm dbolen: learned that Twitter back channel can get speakers back on topic #lrnchat
8:44:46 pm LearnNuggets: Q0 Learned having a boyfriend in the 6th grade the first week of school is…like, so important! #lrnchat
8:44:59 pm jkmind: I learned about lrnchat🙂 #lrnchat
8:45:02 pm kasey428: RT @J_Schulz I learnt me some brain rules: reading Medina’s book. #lrnchat
8:45:09 pm wlonline: @gminks gr8!!! #lrnchat
8:45:13 pm maggiedana: @LearnNuggets I learned the clothespin trick from my daughter years ago. She’s totally cutting edge. #lrnchat
8:45:14 pm JaneBozarth: RT @dbolen: learned that Twitter back channel can get speakers back on topic #lrnchat
8:45:21 pm gminks: @jkmind Thanks!🙂 would have been embarrassing if I hadn’t got an A in that class.. #lrnchat
8:45:27 pm marciamarcia: Quick reminder to everyone: dm to @lrn2day each day what you learn so we can all be learning w/you. #lrnchat
8:45:28 pm ScottWyler: Also learned that nobody at the library will judge you if you return a book unfinished cuz you just didn’t like it #lrnchat
8:46:02 pm pedepede2: I learned the left brain is the storyteller #lrnchat
8:46:05 pm kasey428: Congrats @gminks. You go girl. #lrnchat
8:46:11 pm wlonline: RT @dbolen: learned that Twitter back channel can get speakers back on topic #lrnchat
8:46:29 pm LearnNuggets: @maggiedana It’s the bomb! If one breaks, toss it and get another. Use one, two, or ten. They’re so versitile🙂 #lrnchat
8:46:32 pm wlonline: RT @marciamarcia: Quick reminder to everyone: dm to @lrn2day each day what you learn so we can all be learning w/you. #lrnchat
8:46:40 pm LearnNuggets: RT @marciamarcia: Quick reminder to everyone: dm to @lrn2day each day what you learn so we can all be learning w/you. #lrnchat
8:46:42 pm rpannoni: I learned that twitter search only works for recent tweets. #lrnchat
8:46:44 pm lrnchat: @jkmind Welcome! There is no wrong way to do #lrnchat. We look forward to learning with you!
8:46:44 pm lrnchat: Q1) What’s the difference between informal learning & social learning? #lrnchat
8:46:48 pm dwilkinsnh: @JaneBozarth new job is awesome; love the team here — super duper busy… ; ) thanks for asking #lrnchat
8:47:15 pm vijeesh: learned that Adobe is working with the end users by taking their suggestions to improve flash #lrnchat
8:47:22 pm grantricketts: Yes, RT @dbolen: learned that Twitter back channel can get speakers back on topic #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:47:23 pm JaneBozarth: @dbolen Blog commenter said people tweeting during confs was proof they weren’t paying attention. I said no, that they WERE #lrnchat
8:47:24 pm gminks: thx everyone.🙂 #lrnchat
8:47:32 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What’s the difference between informal learning & social learning? #lrnchat
8:47:50 pm kellygarber: Q0 I learned that I have 2 left brains …RT@pedepede2 I learned the left brain is the storyteller #lrnchat
8:47:58 pm vijeesh: RT @wlonline: RT @marciamarcia: Quick reminder to everyone: dm to @lrn2day each day what you learn so we can all be learning w/you. #lrnchat
8:47:58 pm wlonline: Q1 is social learning = collab learning? #lrnchat
8:48:03 pm hjarche: I learned I like working with @Quinnovator🙂 #lrnchat
8:48:09 pm moehlert: Q1 #lrnchat ALL Learning, note I didn’t say education, ALL learning is socially mediated
8:48:13 pm gminks: Q1 – I don’t think I know. Informal happens as a consequence of being in the right place at the right time, social is designed (?) #lrnchat
8:48:18 pm rpannoni: Social learning is a subset of informal learning #lrnchat
8:48:27 pm LearnNuggets: Q1) Diff between Informal and Social learning: Informal – Learn on my own. Social – Learn with others. ?? #lrnchat
8:48:29 pm Quinnovator: Q1: social learning can support both informal *and* formal: informal learning is pull (by lrnr), social is learning together #lrnchat
8:48:32 pm maggiedana: Q1 You get to wear scuzzy clothes with informal learning; with social learning, you better dress up a bit. #lrnchat
8:48:41 pm tmiket: Q1 Social learning = greater than one person involved Informal could be one or many #lrnchat
8:48:44 pm kasey428: Informal learning: books, person in the other cube, surfing, magazines, billboards,fortune cookies #lrnchat
8:48:46 pm jkmind: for anyone else looking for work I found out about twitterjobsearch.com #lrnchat
8:48:52 pm marciamarcia: @LearnNuggets We take a bag of clothes pins, rubberbands, and big paperclip things on trips. Turns any hotel room into a fort. #lrnchat
8:48:55 pm JaneBozarth: RT @kellygarber: Q0 I learned that I have 2 left brains …#lrnchat
8:48:56 pm gminks: @moehlert socially mediated by whom – the individual learner? #lrnchat
8:49:05 pm Quinnovator: LOL RT @maggiedana: Q1 You get to wear scuzzy clothes with informal learning; with social learning, you better dress up a bit. #lrnchat
8:49:22 pm JaneBozarth: No matter what I learn it still isn’t to add the &*^% hashtag!! #lrnchat
8:49:26 pm wlonline: @vijeesh you r welcome to stay as long as u can #lrnchat
8:49:33 pm LearnNuggets: @vijeesh Really? How does one get involved with Flash user feedback? #lrnchat
8:49:40 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q1: informal learning isn’t designed, led by the learner #lrnchat
8:49:43 pm dbolen: RT @tmiket: Q1 Social learning = greater than one person involved Informal could be one or many #lrnchat
8:49:47 pm marciamarcia: RT @maggiedana Q1 You get to wear scuzzy clothes with informal learning; w/ social learning, you better dress up a bit. <love that #lrnchat
8:49:48 pm dwilkinsnh: @lrnchat Q1 – informal learning is anything not formal, including very individual learning OTJ experiences; social is well, social #lrnchat
8:49:50 pm dbolen: RT @kasey428: Informal learning: books, person in the other cube, surfing, magazines, billboards,fortune cookies #lrnchat
8:49:52 pm Quinnovator: Ditto with @hjarche! RT @hjarche: I learned I like working with @Quinnovator🙂 #lrnchat
8:49:54 pm jkmind: I like quinnovator’s answer #lrnchat
8:50:13 pm KoreenOlbrish: i’d like to say all learning is social, but i learned a thing or two on my own… #lrnchat
8:50:15 pm moehlert: @rpannoni #lrnchat You can use social media tools in providing learning opportunities but saying social learning is like wet water
8:50:21 pm Quinnovator: U2? LOL RT @JaneBozarth: No matter what I learn it still isn’t to add the &*^% hashtag!! #lrnchat
8:50:21 pm gminks: RT @maggiedana: Q1 You get to wear scuzzy clothes with informal learning; with social learning, you better dress up a bit. #lrnchat
8:50:34 pm kellygarber: Q1 Social learning is the team sport of informal learning #lrnchat
8:50:40 pm avron: Can’t social learningbe formal? #lrnchat
8:50:57 pm pedepede2: Q1 – social learning can be informal or formal; informal learning can be individual or social #lrnchat
8:51:02 pm jwillensky: Social learning – often a prescribed way to transmit; informal lrng. – serendipitous, many ways to communicate #lrnchat
8:51:05 pm tmiket: RT @kellygarber: Q1 Social learning is the team sport of informal learning #lrnchat
8:51:08 pm JoanVinallCox: I learned that there’s a book with theory that is clearly written and relevant – Fleckensein’s “Ways of Seeing, Way of Speaking” #lrnchat
8:51:11 pm rpannoni: Informal learning implies you found info you need ‘just in time’. If you found it in a book, it’s informal but not social. #lrnchat
8:51:12 pm moehlert: @gminks #lrnchat by the culture in which the learning takes place or is actualized in
8:51:18 pm LearnNuggets: Best yet! Just glad its not a contact sport! RT @kellygarber: Q1 Social learning is the team sport of informal learning #lrnchat
8:51:23 pm Jeffhurt: @kellygarber I agree that social learning is a subset of informal learning. Could there be such as thing as formal social learning? #lrnchat
8:51:25 pm J_Schulz: Agree with @moehlert. Are we creating classifications where none exists? #lrnchat
8:51:26 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: social learning can support both infrml & formal: infrml learning is pull (by lrnr), social is learning 2gether #lrnchat
8:51:26 pm roninchef: @dbolen I was just hammering out that exact thought. Social has the group in mind and informal is more of a casual mentoring style. #lrnchat
8:51:30 pm jwillensky: RT @kellygarber: Q1 Social learning is the team sport of informal learning #lrnchat
8:51:38 pm moehlert: @avron #lrnchat It can occur there sure
8:51:40 pm maggiedana: RT @avron: Cant social learning be formal? || only in a tux. #lrnchat
8:51:44 pm wlonline: learning is always social in the sense that we derive meaning thro negotiation with others #lrnchat Q1
8:51:53 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert not sure totally buy ALL learning is social. can reflect on my own actions, no? #lrnchat
8:51:55 pm gminks: I think so….RT @avron: Cant social learningbe formal? #lrnchat
8:52:01 pm jwillensky: @kellygarber Oh, I like that. Stealing it🙂 #lrnchat
8:52:05 pm vijeesh: @LearnNuggets Check this link to know how to link with flash development, #lrnchat http://bit.ly/160ndt
8:52:05 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 informal learning is what happens when people stop trying to/ thinking that they are learning #lrnchat
8:52:07 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @pedepede2: Q1 – social learning can be informal or formal; informal learning can be individual or social #lrnchat
8:52:07 pm wlonline: to learn is to be human, ie social #lrnchat Q1
8:52:14 pm kasey428: Social learning: collaboration spaces, from the group, interaction required #lrnchat
8:52:21 pm marciamarcia: RT @pedepede2: Social learning can be informal or formal; informal learning can be individual or social #lrnchat
8:52:25 pm Quinnovator: yes! RT @pedepede2: Q1 – social learning can be informal or formal; informal learning can be individual or social #lrnchat
8:52:33 pm gminks: @moehlert but don’t you still have to mediate the culture on your own? #lrnchat
8:52:40 pm moehlert: RT @wlonline: to learn is to be human, ie social #lrnchat Q1 FTW!!! YES!
8:52:46 pm wlonline: social learning formal ie collaborative learning , no? @gminks #lrnchat Q1
8:52:50 pm gminks: RT @jwillensky: Social learning – often a prescribed way to transmit; informal lrng. – serendipitous, many ways to communicate #lrnchat
8:52:53 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Quinnovator @moehlert usually reading isn’t a social activity for me…but i learn from it… #lrnchat
8:52:54 pm hjarche: social learning: learning is conversation, but if it’s formal there’s a power relationship. Is it learning or conditioned response? #lrnchat
8:52:59 pm kmallwein: I was going to participate in #lrnchat tonight but the #twitterbotnetofDOOM took over the nnnnnnnnn
8:53:05 pm roninchef: But, I think the 2 are more similar than different. No pressure learning, maybe a more altruistic way of teaching/learning. #lrnchat
8:53:06 pm JaneBozarth: @wlonline Not sure about that? I learned to make piecrust by myself– without it being “social”. #lrnchat
8:53:13 pm jwillensky: Are we trying to crowdsource definitions? #lrnchat
8:53:19 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @kellygarber: Q1 Social learning is the team sport of informal learning #lrnchat – Nice one Kelly! Def. going to quote you on that.
8:53:23 pm Jeffhurt: Sould social lrng b formal when within a structured environment with activities & interactive work? Not sure, thinking out loud #lrnchat
8:53:29 pm Quinnovator: @Jeffhurt I’d say that there is formal social: when you assign defined project to group/team cf reciprocal teaching #lrnchat
8:53:41 pm JaneBozarth: @quinnovator @moehlert Don’t agree that all learning is social– #lrnchat
8:53:44 pm JoanVinallCox: Social learning is the dance of learning w/ others, informal is where you get no certificate.#lrnchat
8:53:45 pm gminks: can social be individual? #lrnchat
8:53:45 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat sure but what are you reflecting them on? SOCIALLY-mediated experiences, relationships, shared culture
8:53:48 pm grantricketts: There’s a matrix… RT @pedepede2: Q1 – social learning can be informal or formal; informal can be individual or social #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:53:54 pm jkmind: We as indvduals should always be lrning infrmly,when in a group we might be learning socially depending on the makeup of the grp #lrnchat
8:54:02 pm tmiket: How social formal learning is depends on how it is designed #lrnchat
8:54:08 pm sahana2802: RT@hjarche scl lrng: lrng is conversation, but if it’s formal there’s a power relationship. Is it learning or conditioned response? #lrnchat
8:54:14 pm wlonline: @jwillensky it is a way of learning – negotiating a shared meaning #lrnchat
8:54:15 pm spotlearning: Q1 – informal; I navigate the space alone; social – I collaborate and cooperate. #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:54:18 pm rpannoni: Is #lrnchat formal or informal? #lrnchat
8:54:26 pm LearnNuggets: Q1) Isn’t Informal and Social learning all part of Learning 2.0? Are we/should be separate and define the two? #lrnchat
8:54:31 pm gminks: @hjarche can’t there be power relationships in social converstations? Doesn’t it depend on the participants? #lrnchat
8:54:33 pm kellygarber: Q1 @jwillensky Could there be such as thing as formal social learning? — YES …right here, right now – “formal” social learning. #lrnchat
8:54:38 pm kasey428: Formal screams structured. Whereas informal is more free-form and spontaneous #lrnchat
8:54:45 pm row4it: Informal may not involve another person or technology. #lrnchat
8:54:46 pm grantricketts: Q1 is a class not social? #lrnchat
8:54:49 pm JaneBozarth: RT @rpannoni: Is #lrnchat formal or informal? #lrnchat
8:54:54 pm spotlearning: RT @hjarche social learning: learning is conversation, but if it’s formal there’s a power relationship. #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:55:04 pm Jeffhurt: Social learning occurs in the environment with others. Informal can be self -learning or social learning. #lrnchat
8:55:07 pm marciamarcia: @JaneBozarth Oh contraire. For me, formal learning is the end to me thinking I’m actually learning. #lrnchat
8:55:08 pm tmiket: @rpannoni: Is #lrnchat formal or informal? #lrnchat | informal to me
8:55:09 pm jkmind: I wouldn’t think of this as formal though. #lrnchat
8:55:16 pm JaneBozarth: @rpannoni I think formal in the sense of a scheduled event #lrnchat
8:55:17 pm gminks: RT @JoanVinallCox: Social learning is the dance of learning w/ others, informal is where you get no certificate.#lrnchat #lrnchat
8:55:18 pm Quinnovator: think that social can add value to formal learning, also key vehicle for informal #lrnchat
8:55:21 pm LearnNuggets: @gminks What’s a “power relationship?” #lrnchat
8:55:26 pm wlonline: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @rpannoni: Is #lrnchat formal or informal? #lrnchat <– informal
8:55:26 pm moehlert: @gminks #lrnchat I hear ya but its just impossible to stand outside of a culture
8:55:28 pm J_Schulz: @LearnNuggets Informal and social were part of Learning 0.0. Learning 2.0 just commercialized them. #lrnchat
8:55:35 pm Jeffhurt: @grantricketts Depends on who’s teaching that class on whether its social I’ve seen many unsocial classes #lrnchat
8:55:36 pm ScottWyler: RT @rpannoni: Informal learning implies you found info you need ‘just in time’. [and not what others say you need] #lrnchat
8:55:49 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator Does the group/team means social automatically? If they are all on the same page maybe. But that is not all teams. #lrnchat
8:55:49 pm sleveo: @grantricketts Not for many students, it is just sit and get it. #lrnchat
8:55:52 pm Quinnovator: think answer is “yes”🙂 RT @rpannoni: Is #lrnchat formal or informal?
8:55:52 pm lrnchat: Q1b) Where’s the overlap of informal learning & social learning? #lrnchat
8:55:54 pm dwilkinsnh: Social learning can definitely be formal. Structured wiki barn building; ask an expert; innovation initiatives… huge list. #lrnchat
8:56:04 pm LearnNuggets: Ha! RT @J_Schulz: @LearnNuggets Informal and social were part of Learning 0.0. Learning 2.0 just commercialized them. #lrnchat
8:56:19 pm Spydeesense: Don’t want to get too theoretical but if learning is a continuum, not sure social learning is usually at start #lrnchat
8:56:27 pm KoreenOlbrish: @JaneBozarth @rpannoni I’d say informal…because the participants structure it😉 #lrnchat
8:56:27 pm gminks: @LearnNuggets not sure @quinnovator brought up power relationships. make him define it. #lrnchat
8:56:30 pm tmiket: @LearnNuggets Is power relationship when someones “in charge”? #lrnchat
8:56:31 pm gminks: heh. #lrnchat
8:56:38 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat did you learn it on an island after being stranded for years? No, you learned w/in the bounds of your experiences
8:56:42 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat So if we were making a venn diagram?
8:56:43 pm wlonline: @spotlearning Even if formal, there can be more “democractic participation” by students and staff alike – dpds on how it is struct? #lrnchat
8:56:44 pm hjarche: @gminks sure there are slight power relationships in what we’re doing tonight, but we have little real influence over each other #lrnchat
8:56:55 pm Jeffhurt: Q1 Social learning happens primarily in a social group, with others, not alone or independent of others #lrnchat
8:56:55 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert if can’t stand outside culture, doesn’t really say all learning’s social, we can learn alone or together w/in culture #lrnchat
8:57:02 pm KoreenOlbrish: Ha! RT @Quinnovator: think answer is “yes”🙂 RT @rpannoni: Is #lrnchat formal or informal? #lrnchat
8:57:06 pm gminks: @moehlert that’s what I’m saying, culture – social – is an influence even when we are alone. #lrnchat
8:57:21 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1b) Where’s the overlap of informal learning & social learning? #lrnchat
8:57:24 pm pedepede2: Concept of pie is socially constructed – and you got compliments RT @JaneBozarth learned to make piecrust by myself #lrnchat
8:57:25 pm moehlert: RT @JoanVinallCox: Social learning is the dance of learning w/ others, informal is where you get no certificate.#lrnchat I like that🙂
8:57:34 pm tmiket: @lrnchat Q1b lrnchat is social AND informal no? #lrnchat
8:57:42 pm JaneBozarth: @marciamarcia LOL yes, but think you differ from most in that way #lrnchat
8:57:46 pm spotlearning: Q1b) #lrnchat *is* the quintessential overlap of social and informal. Isn’t it? #lrnchat
8:57:56 pm hjarche: power relationships are easy to find. figure out who gets to ask the questions #lrnchat
8:58:03 pm Jeffhurt: @hjarche @gminks You don’t think we influence each other or have influence over each other? #lrnchat
8:58:07 pm jwillensky: Would a designated tool and some protocol imply a power relationship? #lrnchat
8:58:11 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef it’s in the project def – the ‘right’ level of ambiguity fosters group meaning negotiation: formal social learning #lrnchat
8:58:13 pm moehlert: RT @wlonline: @jwillensky it is a way of learning – negotiating a shared meaning #lrnchat Wow. Nailed it again. Well said
8:58:16 pm JaneBozarth: @marciamarcia Have had learners think it wasn’t ‘learning’ if they weren’t sitting at desks being yammered at… #lrnchat
8:58:21 pm jkmind: @tmiket, I would totally agree with you. #lrnchat
8:58:30 pm mglazer: So, who thinks the teachable moment is formal? informal? can it depend on the point of view of the participant? #lrnchat
8:58:34 pm wlonline: @hjarche there might be some positive influence that pp can take away with them #lrnchat
8:58:35 pm KoreenOlbrish: isn’t happy hour the overlap of informal and social learning? #lrnchat
8:58:36 pm marciamarcia: Is #lrnchat formal or informal? I’d say formal-unexpected: http://sn.im/inforr #lrnchat
8:58:42 pm JoanVinallCox: culture contains us, all learning is social, except after putting your finger in a flame, you learn you don’t want to do it again #lrnchat
8:58:56 pm Quinnovator: think begs the question: RT @gminks: @moehlert that’s what I’m saying, culture – social – is an influence even when we are alone. #lrnchat
8:59:05 pm dwilkinsnh: @hjarche “I hereby pown you Harold Jarche!” Nothing? Yeah, I guess you are right, not much of a power relationship here… ; ) #lrnchat
8:59:06 pm kasey428: @hjarche power relationships are easy to find. figure out who gets to ask the questions #lrnchat
8:59:10 pm Jeffhurt: @mglazer Can’t teachable moments be both and also indpendent and social? #lrnchat
8:59:17 pm wlonline: @hjarche ie learnt something via #lrnchat – that wd be positive influence, no?
8:59:22 pm dbolen: #lrnchat Q1 action learning is social and formal, team tasked to work a problem
8:59:26 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish Ha! Are you tending bar this evening? #lrnchat
8:59:26 pm jwillensky: RT @KoreenOlbrish: isn’t happy hour the overlap of informal and social learning? #lrnchat
8:59:31 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat OK. “Social” doesn’t mean if u do the learning w/ someone else, social refers to the shared meaning we draw from it
8:59:37 pm Quinnovator: hic! RT @KoreenOlbrish: isn’t happy hour the overlap of informal and social learning? #lrnchat
8:59:38 pm gminks: @jwillensky I think station in the company hierarchy would represent power relationship #lrnchat
8:59:39 pm hjarche: @Jeffhurt of course we have influence over each but it’s pretty limited outside the organization #lrnchat I’m not affecting your salary
8:59:40 pm spotlearning: @wlonline – I think learner control is never surrendered regardless of the environ tho; right? resides in attention & focus. #lrnchat
8:59:46 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: isn’t happy hour the overlap of informal and social learning? #lrnchat FTW😉
8:59:51 pm gminks: RT @KoreenOlbrish: isnt happy hour the overlap of informal and social learning? #lrnchat
9:00:08 pm ScottWyler: @mglazer POV of participant, and style of facilitator #lrnchat
9:00:10 pm rpannoni: @spotlearning Actually, I think #lrnchat is more on the formal side. A planned event, not an attempt to meet a need in the moment. #lrnchat
9:00:15 pm wlonline: learning is social #lrnchat we know something as something via our culture, family, etc; not in isolation
9:00:16 pm Jeffhurt: I think the evolution of social learning in a Web 2.0 world is networked learning, horizontal, not top-down, collaborative #lrnchat
9:00:20 pm marciamarcia: @KoreenOlbrish Twitter is like a giant happy hour where you can listen, watch, interact or babble. #lrnchat
9:00:24 pm tmiket: @spotlearning great point re: learner control #lrnchat
9:00:27 pm Quinnovator: bwahaha RT @kasey428: @hjarche power relationships are easy to find. figure out who gets to ask the questions #lrnchat
9:00:31 pm sleveo: @KoreenOlbrish It can be, but does not need to be. Lots of ramblings about nothing can go on at happy hour. #lrnchat
9:00:35 pm roninchef: @moehlert And we all take a drink.🙂 #lrnchat
9:00:46 pm JaneBozarth: RT @KoreenOlbrish: Ha! RT @Quinnovator: think answer is “yes”🙂 RT @rpannoni: Is #lrnchat formal or informal?
9:00:56 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @gminks: RT @KoreenOlbrish: isnt happy hour the overlap of informal and social learning? #lrnchat
9:01:01 pm jkmind: rpannoni, but there is no formal structure or very little for how the conversation will unfold. No reall planned events #lrnchat
9:01:13 pm LearnNuggets: Q1b) The overlap is reading, watching, doing something solo, sharing that experience w/ others, and together learning more #lrnchat
9:01:17 pm ScottWyler: Definitely! RT @dbolen: #lrnchat Q1 action learning is social and formal, team tasked to work a problem #lrnchat
9:01:19 pm row4it: #Lrnchat from my phone tonight while at the beach. I agree with jane that this more social than informal. We have structure & process
9:01:20 pm kasey428: @Jeffhurt, I like “networked learning” #lrnchat
9:01:21 pm sahana2802: Can we say in infrml lrng, sometimes learners don’t knw they have learned and pieces fall in place or are recalled later. #lrnchat
9:01:30 pm JaneBozarth: I’m still waiting for @jmkind to fix my drink #lrnchat
9:01:37 pm wlonline: formal learning has to do with assessment, policies, formalised learning outcomes, curriculum, etc #lrnchat
9:01:47 pm jwillensky: @gminks Agree. What if all peers, though? #lrnchat
9:01:48 pm Jeffhurt: @hjarche I think that’s a narrow definition of influence. You could affect my salary, depends on how you vote #lrnchat
9:01:54 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish @Quinnovator #lrnchat but reading is highly social – the meaning you take from the book is mediated/negotiated by all round u
9:01:55 pm kellygarber: Q1b maybe #lrnchat is social and formal…I say that because I was able to schedule it as an appt in outlook. …and it has rules🙂
9:02:03 pm gminks: @JeffHurt I think we def influence each other… #lrnchat
9:02:05 pm xpconcept: Late to the party. Steve Flowers – USCG PTC Yorktown. #lrnchat/
9:02:08 pm grantricketts: But, pretty open agenda? @rpannoni @spotlearning Actually, I think #lrnchat is more on the formal side..planned event, … #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:02:11 pm mglazer: @Jeffhurt yes I suppose they could #lrnchat
9:02:21 pm Quinnovator: @rpannoni yes, formal in the sense of meeting, but informal in terms of reacting to emergent questions! #lrnchat
9:02:21 pm JaneBozarth: Not all learning is social #lrnchat
9:02:29 pm lrnchat: Just joining us and not sure what’s the question? You can always check @lrnchat #lrnchat
9:02:29 pm sahana2802: in informal “learning” there are no “learners” as there is no “intent” to learn? #lrnchat
9:02:38 pm gminks: @jwillensky what social relationships do my peers have w the bosses? #lrnchat
9:02:43 pm moehlert: @xpconcept #lrnchat Hello Coastie!
9:02:45 pm jkmind: @JaneBozarth what would you like. I have beer or vodka or baily #lrnchat
9:02:45 pm wlonline: @JaneBozarth what i mean is that our understanding / learning of world is shared understanding; there r activities we engage alone #lrnchat
9:02:59 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert @quinnovator i’d disagree…deriving meaning isn’t social, but it is cultural…book clubs are social😉 #lrnchat
9:03:00 pm sleveo: RT @moehlert #lrnchat “Social” doesn’t mean if u do the learning w/ someone else, social refers to the shared meaning we draw from #lrnchat
9:03:01 pm hjarche: @Jeffhurt I vote in Canada – you? #lrnchat
9:03:04 pm bschlenker: #lrnchat What if start with the premise that the brain was designed to learn…ALL THE TIME! How does that effect this conversation?
9:03:11 pm gminks: me too RT @kasey428: @Jeffhurt, I like “networked learning” #lrnchat
9:03:11 pm lrnchat: @xpconcept Welcome, Steve. This will sort of be like joining a happy hour late, apparently. Easy to get into the flow #lrnchat
9:03:19 pm Jeffhurt: I think social learning has moved from presumed authority, hierarchy to collective credibility #lrnchat
9:03:25 pm xpconcept: #lrnchat – my 2c on social / informal. Too much serendipity / chaos without some kind of prescription. Good for happy accidents.
9:03:38 pm spotlearning: re: #lrnchat…I’ll concede. We do have structure and process; guess informal is less suited def for this…but social yes. #lrnchat
9:03:41 pm Jeffhurt: @hjarche Ok, you win, you don’t have any influence on my salary.🙂 I’m in US. #lrnchat
9:03:44 pm grantricketts: Does a planned event mean ‘formal’? Networking at a planned event? #lrnchat
9:03:44 pm dwilkinsnh: @Jeffhurt Jeff, I actually think the interesting thing w/ soc learning is that it’s all three – formal, side-to-side and bottoms up #lrnchat
9:03:50 pm mglazer: @ScottWyler so, do you have any insight on how to think about when to use which? and with whom? #lrnchat
9:04:01 pm simon_puleo: #lrnchat
9:04:12 pm kasey428: I can learn when I am alone. But it is reinforced through social interaction. #lrnchat
9:04:14 pm hjarche: RT @Jeffhurt I think social learning has moved from presumed authority, hierarchy to collective credibility #lrnchat
9:04:14 pm jwillensky: @gminks So — implicit relationships affect interaction… #lrnchat
9:04:28 pm LearnNuggets: @moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish @Quinnovator How is reading social? It’s just you and the book. #lrnchat
9:04:28 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish @Quinnovator #lrnchat but reading-highly social – meaning you take from book-mediated/negotiated by all round u
9:04:32 pm roninchef: Q 1b: As we partake in the media/data flow we naturally oscillate between the 2. Take a little here, give a little there. #lrnchat
9:04:37 pm gminks: @bschlenker everyone says – yes we agree.🙂 #lrnchat
9:04:38 pm ScottWyler: @sahana2802 I’ve definitely had formal learners show up with no intent to learn… #lrnchat
9:04:41 pm xpconcept: Without goal / objective, aimless learning worth little. Self-prescription is enough. #lrnchat/
9:04:51 pm Quinnovator: @KoreenOlbrish yes all our action is cultural (consequently ‘social’ in one sense), but then we need individual versus social too #lrnchat
9:04:57 pm wlonline: @grantricketts in certain context planned not necc formal #lrnchat
9:04:58 pm Jeffhurt: @dwilkinsnh Excellent point. Could social digital learning be more collaborative and horizontal with networked learning #lrnchat
9:05:01 pm kasey428: RT @Jeffhurt I think social learning has moved from presumed authority, hierarchy to collective credibility #lrnchat
9:05:20 pm LearnNuggets: RT @kasey428: I can learn when I am alone. But it is reinforced through social interaction. #lrnchat
9:05:25 pm spotlearning: @hjarche RT @Jeffhurt I think social learning has moved from presumed authority, hierarchy to collective credibility #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:05:30 pm jkmind: I think reading can be social even without a book club. Look at harrypottter books. people would talk about them informally #lrnchat
9:05:33 pm J_Schulz: RT @moehlert: YES! #lrnchat “Social” doesn’t mean if u do the learning w/ someone else, social refers to the shared meaning we draw from it
9:05:42 pm grantricketts: Yes, RT @Jeffhurt I think social learning has moved from presumed authority, hierarchy to collective credibility #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:05:45 pm Quinnovator: yes, *sigh* RT @ScottWyler: @sahana2802 I’ve definitely had formal learners show up with no intent to learn… #lrnchat
9:05:53 pm gminks: @kasey428 and what you learn is filtered through your social lens. #lrnchat
9:06:06 pm dwilkinsnh: @moehlert I’m waiting for you to quote Derrida on the book thing #lrnchat
9:06:30 pm gminks: @jwillensky yes, but I feel like you are leading me someplace…. #lrnchat
9:06:35 pm pedepede2: Informal learning can have a specific goal – goal usually provided by the learner rather than the teacher #lrnchat
9:06:43 pm kasey428: The collective can create a self-policing learning environment…a living, real-time, wikipedia #lrnchat
9:06:51 pm roninchef: @LearnNuggets If the book was good or bad, do you tell some one? Relate your thoughts on the book. I tie my reads to many things. #lrnchat
9:06:56 pm gminks: RT @ScottWyler: @sahana2802 Ive definitely had formal learners show up with no intent to learn… #lrnchat
9:06:57 pm KoreenOlbrish: wait, i just can’t digest reading alone being social. is viewing a piece of art and deriving meaning social too? #lrnchat
9:06:59 pm Jeffhurt: Social learning requires less reliance on knowledge authorities or experts. learners multitask & work out solutions together #lrnchat
9:07:00 pm tmiket: RT @pedepede2: Informal learning can have a specific goal – goal usually provided by the learner rather than the teacher #lrnchat
9:07:05 pm rpannoni: Funny that after all the buzz about informal learning, a bunch of learning geeks still can’t agree on what it means. #lrnchat
9:07:08 pm kellygarber: RT @kasey428 I can learn when I am alone. But it is reinforced through social interaction. #lrnchat
9:07:21 pm JaneBozarth: Yep. RT @ScottWyler: @sahana2802 I’ve definitely had formal learners show up with no intent to learn… #lrnchat
9:07:27 pm jwillensky: @dwilkinsnh @moehlert Anyone who qoutes Derrida has to deconstruct a cocktail for the entire group. #lrnchat
9:07:31 pm moehlert: @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat Dang! You caught me!
9:07:43 pm Quinnovator: @xpconcept hwho’s prescribing? Motivated, capable self-learner? (informal) Or external learning facilitator? (formal) #lrnchat
9:07:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: @rpannoni nor can we agree on what’s social😉 #lrnchat
9:07:51 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Yes🙂
9:07:51 pm tmiket: @rpannoni I’d say informal learning probably means diff things to diff people #lrnchat
9:07:54 pm maggiedana: RT @rpannoni: Funny that after all the buzz about informal learning, a bunch of learning geeks still cant agree on what it means. #lrnchat
9:07:55 pm gminks: RT @moehlert: YES! #lrnchat “Social” doesnt mean if u do the learning w/ someone else, social =shared meaning we draw from it #lrnchat
9:07:58 pm LearnNuggets: @roninchef Of course. But first reading the book is Informal. Sharing what I think of the book is then Social #lrnchat
9:07:59 pm spotlearning: RT @kasey428 The collective can create a self-policing learning environment…a living, real-time, wikipedia < yes. #lrnchat
9:08:21 pm J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish YES! What are you deriving mean from? Past experiences. #lrnchat
9:08:30 pm jwillensky: @gminks No, I’ve been thinking about these issues. Just a <140 thing.🙂 #lrnchat
9:08:32 pm gminks: RT @kasey428: The collective can create a self-policing learning environment…a living, real-time, wikipedia #lrnchat
9:08:39 pm Quinnovator: yes, refined too RT @kasey428: I can learn when I am alone. But it is reinforced through social interaction. #lrnchat
9:08:53 pm kellygarber: @kasey428 like taking your new knowledge for a test drive, right? #lrnchat
9:09:08 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert interpretation of content isn’t necessarily social. we all pull from our previous experiences, aren’t necessarily shared #lrnchat
9:09:12 pm roninchef: @LearnNuggets I like that. #lrnchat
9:09:13 pm dwilkinsnh: Jeff, on the presumed authority to collective authority, I used to believe the same, but still a place for real authority #lrnchat
9:09:17 pm gminks: yes RT @KoreenOlbrish: i just cant digest reading alone being social. is viewing a piece of art and deriving meaning social too? #lrnchat
9:09:40 pm LearnNuggets: I draw. I draw this and that. That’s informal. I share with other drawers. We critique. That’s Social. We all draw better! #lrnchat
9:09:43 pm spkrinteractive: Should blend an “idea mill” into any formal online learning so that it becomes more collaborative. #lrnchat
9:09:57 pm joewehr: Hi everyone My 1st time here I’m interested in Virtual Team training Any insight/experience would be appreciated Thx #lrnchat
9:09:59 pm tmiket: Also when we learn alone we don’t always know we got it right until we confirm it socially in some way #lrnchat
9:10:03 pm spotlearning: I learn, therefore I am. #lrnchat
9:10:07 pm moehlert: @jwillensky @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat “Deconstruct” FTW!
9:10:15 pm wlonline: RT @J_Schulz: @KoreenOlbrish YES! What are you deriving mean from? Past experiences. #lrnchat
9:10:18 pm kasey428: @Quinnovator, refined is much better…honed. #lrnchat
9:10:23 pm Jeffhurt: @dwilkinsnh I think the group can have a collective agreed authority. And in some areas experts needed, scientific, medical, etc #lrnchat
9:10:23 pm ScottWyler: @mglazer sorry, lost you in #lrnchat flow… what are you asking me? #lrnchat
9:10:25 pm Quinnovator: needs a panel!🙂 RT @rpannoni: Funny, after all buzz about informal lrng, bunch of lrng geeks can’t agree on what it means. #lrnchat
9:10:35 pm dwilkinsnh: All you have to do is look at the slow creep of CFR Part 11 into non-pharma to realize that companies crave and *need* authority #lrnchat
9:10:40 pm wlonline: RT @tmiket: Also when we learn alone we don’t always know we got it right until we confirm it socially in some way #lrnchat
9:10:55 pm LearnNuggets: @joewehr Welcome! Topic tonight is Informal and Social learning. #lrnchat
9:10:58 pm JoanVinallCox: Sometimes I can’t learn when not social, need my 1 blocking confusing clarified #lrnchat
9:11:02 pm marciamarcia: @kasey428 Hilarious aha for me (& testament to diff styles). I can learn when I am social. But it’s reinforced through time alone. #lrnchat
9:11:08 pm maggiedana: Conversely, I am, therefore I learn. RT @spotlearning: I learn, therefore I am. #lrnchat
9:11:09 pm xpconcept: #lrnchat @Quinnovator – don’t think it mtters who is doing the prescription. Self-prescription (or semi-slf prcrip) fits the infrml label
9:11:15 pm hjarche: Why even have formal learning? Because someone with power decides it’s necessary #lrnchat
9:11:15 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Yes, it is. Social = culture. Where else do you learn how to interpret meaning but from society/culture?
9:11:17 pm wlonline: @JeffHurt @dwilkinsnh rather than authority, prefer negotiated meanings #lrnchat
9:11:31 pm mglazer: @ScottWyler NP. I asked if you have any insights on how to think about when to use which? and with whom? #lrnchat
9:11:36 pm Jeffhurt: I think social lrng w/ others requires collective checking, inquisitive skepticism, and group assessment. #lrnchat
9:11:47 pm JaneBozarth: @LearnNuggets ummm… http://bit.ly/DeKOc #lrnchat
9:11:52 pm xpconcept: #lrnchat @Quinnovator, just saying that prescription is a necessary element for sustained, consistent value in social / informal.
9:12:07 pm KoreenOlbrish: @gminks @moehlert still not buying it..we all pull & build understanding from previous experiences, sometimes shared, sometimes not #lrnchat
9:12:09 pm LearnNuggets: Exactly! RT @hjarche: Why even have formal learning? Because someone with power decides its necessary #lrnchat
9:12:12 pm tmiket: @hjarche formal learning exists because the “experts” aren’t accessible via other channels #lrnchat
9:12:22 pm dwilkinsnh: @moehlert LOL – Nice. You are my sign; I am your signifier. It’s love at first connotation. #lrnchat
9:12:24 pm rpannoni: @KoreenOlbrish Hmm. Either we are lame or informal learning and social learning are not very useful concepts. #lrnchat
9:12:25 pm ScottWyler: True for me! RT @tmiket: Also when we learn alone we don’t always know we got it right until we confirm it socially in some way #lrnchat
9:12:26 pm gminks: @KoreenOlbrish that’s social. Here’s an exp: what does this mean to you: http://tinyurl.com/kqmdku #lrnchat
9:12:27 pm kasey428: RT @maggiedana, I learn, therefore I am! #lrnchat
9:12:30 pm spkrinteractive: Why do we have to separate social learning and formal learning? Why can’t they be blended together into a time block? #lrnchat
9:12:30 pm spotlearning: …and those of us who are mildly to insanely ADD go informal even when in “formal” settings. #lrnchat
9:12:48 pm Jeffhurt: @wlonline Agreed yet so much formal learning is from one expert to many. Time & place for that style but not every where #lrnchat
9:12:50 pm maggiedana: @mglazer Which refers to things; whom refers to people. #lrnchat
9:12:51 pm Quinnovator: @marciamarcia yes, reminded of your learning comfort zone, alone, few, or many (I’m a alone/few mostly) #lrnchat
9:12:57 pm gminks: @jwillensky ok — I don’t feel scared any more.🙂 #lrnchat
9:13:07 pm spotlearning: Boring classes beg us to become informal learners. #lrnchat
9:13:08 pm bschlenker: RT @spotlearning: …and those of us who are mildly to insanely ADD go informal even when in “formal” settings. #lrnchat
9:13:08 pm tmiket: RT @spotlearning: …and those of us who are mildly to insanely ADD go informal even when in “formal” settings. #lrnchat
9:13:12 pm sahana2802: RT@moehlert @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Yes, it is. Social = culture. Where else do you learn how to interpret meaning but from society/culture?
9:13:22 pm JaneBozarth: @koreenolbrish I’m with you. And the dog learned to get the lid off the trash can by himself. #lrnchat
9:13:45 pm dbolen: RT @Jeffhurt: I think social lrng w/ others requires collective checking, inquisitive skepticism, and group assessment. #lrnchat
9:13:46 pm hjarche: @tmiket the “experts” are constructed as such by those with the power #lrnchat
9:13:50 pm Quinnovator: @xpconcept not sure, Marcia’s talked about unintended learning, learning still the same (though focused is the way to bet) #lrnchat
9:13:52 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Yes, is. Social = culture. Where else do you learn how to interpret meaning but from society/culture?
9:14:04 pm joewehr: Got it IMO Informal is learner driven Social is a component #lrnchat
9:14:10 pm dwilkinsnh: @Jeffhurt Yeah bingo on the authority thing, plus any heavily regulated industry – been thinking a lot about the nature of learning #lrnchat
9:14:11 pm Jeffhurt: Perhaps we need 2 definitions of social learning – 1 4 education diehards & 1 for lay people. #lrnchat
9:14:22 pm gminks: formal learning exists because its faster (when done correctly) than learning on our own #lrnchat
9:14:25 pm kellygarber: @hjarche formal so that it can be recorded, tracked and analyzed into data for a ROI ppt deck #lrnchat
9:14:37 pm J_Schulz: How about we say that we use social MEDIA to encourage learning in certain contexts? #lrnchat
9:14:52 pm KoreenOlbrish: @JaneBozarth Paging Dr. Pavlov! I think that rat learned all about the cheese on its own😉 #lrnchat
9:14:54 pm wlonline: the point about shared meanings/social is that it will differ in diff context, cultures,etc #lrnchat
9:14:55 pm LearnNuggets: @JaneBozarth Thanks🙂 #lrnchat
9:14:56 pm Jeffhurt: @hjarche Experts constucted by those w/ power? Tell me more what you mean #lrnchat
9:15:08 pm tmiket: @hjarche Agreed: the “experts” are constructed as such by those with the power #lrnchat
9:15:10 pm jwillensky: RT @gminks: formal learning exists because its faster (when done correctly) than learning on our own #lrnchat
9:15:13 pm marciamarcia: Where else do you learn how to interpret meaning but from society/culture? (RT someone brilliant but unsure who) #lrnchat
9:15:15 pm dwilkinsnh: Some things need to be highly codified; others don’t. The do’s need stamp of authority so that knowledge seekers know it’s right #lrnchat
9:15:18 pm xpconcept: #lrnchat – but unintended isn’t reliable, can’t be consistent and therefore can’t be sustained. Accidental learning can’t be intentional.
9:15:20 pm gminks: or torture the instructor w questions… RT @spotlearning: Boring classes beg us to become informal learners. #lrnchat
9:15:21 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche reckon that sometimes informal doesn’t scale appropriately. Sometimes group will ask for formal, no? #lrnchat
9:15:39 pm bschlenker: thr R times when even I feel lk I need a more formal, organized, “leader”, 2 define the steps I need 2 take 2 reach my goal. #lrnchat
9:15:44 pm Jeffhurt: @gminks You think formal learning is faster? Explain. #lrnchat
9:15:50 pm JaneBozarth: Right. RT @KoreenOlbrish: @JaneBozarth Paging Dr. Pavlov! I think that rat learned all about the cheese on its own😉 #lrnchat
9:15:55 pm dbolen: RT @dbolen: do we use the term formal so we have “jobs”? #lrnchat
9:15:57 pm tmiket: @gminks I’d question that formal is faster – depends on the situation and informal can be more efficient sometimes #lrnchat
9:16:02 pm wlonline: @KoreenOlbrish talking about conditioned learning, learning thro instinct?? #lrnchat
9:16:04 pm sahana2802: So we’ve social=group & social=culture. whr the latter will drive our ways of seeing & interpreting even if the lrng is individual #lrnchat
9:16:07 pm KoreenOlbrish: @gminks lol, i learned that link isn’t opening😉 #lrnchat
9:16:10 pm marciamarcia: @gminks I’ll go along with it being faster to teach, but can’t go along with faster to learn when it’s formal. #lrnchat
9:16:11 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche ever sign up for a webinar, course? Or give one? Yes, somone with power decided, but not a bad thing #lrnchat
9:16:13 pm spotlearning: @gminks Faster? or more efficient for a defined purpose? …sometimes not the learner’s motive though. #lrnchat
9:16:21 pm jwillensky: @dwilkinsnh Compliance & regulation can make the whole thing murky, for sure. #lrnchat
9:16:41 pm hjarche: @Quinnovator not often that group asks for formal learning, history shows that authorities ask for it #lrnchat
9:16:43 pm Jeffhurt: @bschlenker You want a facilitator, that doesn’t have to be formal. #lrnchat
9:16:53 pm dwilkinsnh: @hjarche “Why even have formal learning?” Because I want my doctor to learn known best practices b4 doing my heart surgery. ; ) #lrnchat
9:17:08 pm joewehr: not sure I agree @kellygarber formal learning exists because its faster (when done correctly) than learning on our own #lrnchat
9:17:19 pm tmiket: @jwillensky Compliance & regulation are unique “beasts” of there own #lrnchat
9:17:23 pm gminks: @Jeffhurt I teach techies. We like shiny balls – sometimes you have to learn concrete things to learn to do your job. #lrnchat
9:17:23 pm mglazer: @hjarche interesting that u used the word “necessary.” how about doing it b/c it represents a possibility, for ex, to lrn quicker? #lrnchat
9:17:31 pm wlonline: Formal has to do more with mass education? #lrnchat
9:17:51 pm hjarche: @Quinnovator me signing up for a webinar is quite diff from employee being told to take a course #lrnchat
9:17:55 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @marciamarcia: Where else do you learn how to interpret meaning but from society/culture? (RT someone brilliant but unsure who) #lrnchat
9:17:56 pm spotlearning: @gminks…btw, I agree…most of the time. But sometimes go renegade in from defined topic…and that’s okay, I think. #lrnchat
9:17:57 pm gminks: @KoreenOlbrish hehe http://www.cherokeemuseum.org/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/spidermed.jpg #lrnchat
9:17:59 pm marciamarcia: Just so everyone knows, I’m smiling ear-to-ear at the spontaneous doubting that formal training is faster for learning. #lrnchat
9:18:08 pm Jeffhurt: Social learning w/ othrs committed to vision of social that stresses cooperation interactivity, mutual benefit & social engagement #lrnchat
9:18:10 pm Quinnovator: @kellygarber she said ROI, drink! #lrnchat
9:18:18 pm gminks: left to our own devices, techies chase the shiny ball every time #lrnchat
9:18:18 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @gminks: or torture the instructor w questions… RT @spotlearning: Boring classes beg us to become informal learners. #lrnchat
9:18:36 pm JaneBozarth: It’s fun watching the learning-is-not-social and the nuh-uh camps wrangle. Can we talk about the MBTI next? #lrnchat
9:18:52 pm ScottWyler: RT @dwilkinsnh: “Why formal learning?” Because I want my doctor to learn known best practices b4 doing my heart surgery. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:19:01 pm rpannoni: Formal learning = prescribed learning? #lrnchat
9:19:03 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche but individuals do ask for organized learning around X #lrnchat
9:19:15 pm joewehr: Formal can make sense when audience is large & trng is required – new process. guidelines, compliance, regulatory #lrnchat
9:19:18 pm MariaOD: Hi learnchat! #lrnchat
9:19:20 pm Jeffhurt: @marciamarcia I think formal training can often be a hiccup for true learning. It can squelch learners unless done rith #lrnchat
9:19:24 pm jkmind: talking of informal lrning I saw article at http://tiny.cc/F7PbY that got me thinking about learning at large orgs #lrnchat
9:19:41 pm pedepede2: Formal and informal learning: I think they can learn to get along. Fitting method to need. #lrnchat
9:19:42 pm kasey428: Some learning events need the seasoned to share nuggets that are most important. @gminks structure for the sake of time. #lrnchat
9:19:44 pm mglazer: @marciamarcia I’ve taken formal training where I (believe) I learned something quicker than if it had been taught informally #lrnchat
9:19:44 pm grantricketts: formal learning adds the discipline of intent whereas informal learning, while self-motivated may lack practiced intent #lrnchat
9:19:44 pm hjarche: without formal training progs, doctors would still learn & people would go to those with best record #lrnchat we humans are innate learners
9:19:48 pm kellygarber: @joewehr …formal as faster, not my post …in fact, I can google what I need pretty darn quick and that isn’t formal #lrnchat
9:19:52 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth think MBTI and learning styles have to go on the ‘drink’ list #lrnchat
9:20:03 pm LearnNuggets: I’m learning that I don’t know a whole lot about learning…or at least my head hurts trying to define what learning is #lrnchat
9:20:05 pm dbolen: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat you must be a J
9:20:08 pm moehlert: @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat Wow. Methinks someone else had a good time with a liberal arts education!
9:20:08 pm gminks: formal training lays out the information needed so you don’t have to round it all up? I guess learning depends on the learner #lrnchat
9:20:19 pm Quinnovator: @Jeffhurt yes, why assume formal is bad? Just because so much of it IS…. #lrnchat
9:20:22 pm Jeffhurt: @ScottWyler Buth that’s not how their taught. They’re taught about diseases first & backwards instead of systems & wholeness #lrnchat
9:20:37 pm JaneBozarth: Sorry what did I miss? I had to go get a drink because someone said MBTI. Oh wait! It was me! #lrnchat
9:20:40 pm mglazer: @rpannoni not necessarily in my opinion #lrnchat
9:20:41 pm jwillensky: @JaneBozarth No, please — anything but MBTI. #lrnchat
9:20:42 pm wlonline: @ScottWyler Trying 2 put diff view on your pov: But shd we be rethinking doctor education, etc Shd we change what we hv been doing #lrnchat
9:20:43 pm jmarrapodi: Hiya. Looks like you’re looking at formal vs informal. There’s a place for both. #lrnchat
9:20:53 pm simon_puleo: @lrnchat #lrnchat
9:21:01 pm Jeffhurt: @gminks Disagree, I can get facts online, don’t need formal learning to get information. #lrnchat
9:21:03 pm tmiket: Formal learning comes in bigger chunks vs informal (at least for me) But I can’t remember my last formal learning #lrnchat
9:21:06 pm spkrinteractive: Formal can aggregate a whole lot of best practice info that would take a long time on one’s own to collect #lrnchat
9:21:12 pm jmarrapodi: RT @pedepede2: Formal and informal learning: I think they can learn to get along. Fitting method to need. #lrnchat
9:21:17 pm kasey428: @gminks I see another shiny ball, will be back #lrnchat
9:21:18 pm spkrinteractive: Challenge is making formal relevant #lrnchat
9:21:20 pm kellygarber: @Quinnovator hahaha – I DID!! have another ROI #lrnchat
9:21:21 pm lrnchat: Q2) What should orgs being doing to benefit from social learning (in either formal & informal situations). #lrnchat
9:21:23 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth now you said it again. Drink! #lrnchat
9:21:24 pm spotlearning: good formal learning *does* save time if the objectives are focused. Bad formal learning…well, is bad. #lrnchat
9:21:29 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator said learning styles! Drink! #lrnchat
9:21:45 pm gminks: @Jeffhurt you can, but can you find them all in the time you need to learn them? #lrnchat
9:21:50 pm xpconcept: @rpannoni Formal learning = prescribed learning? #lrnchat – I think self-prescribd can fall into informal. Prescription = necessary imo.
9:21:57 pm jmarrapodi: Do you think you have to have the foundation of formal for informal to build on? (expected Pandora’s box) #lrnchat
9:22:05 pm joewehr: Depends who takes responsiblity @Quinnovator me signing up for a webinar is quite diff from employee being told to take a course #lrnchat
9:22:19 pm LearnNuggets: Q2) Orgs first need a strategy. I see too often orgs chasing the shiny objects w/ no real plan #lrnchat
9:22:21 pm hjarche: power corrupts & absolute power corrupts absolutely; now think about those who control our learning #lrnchat
9:22:24 pm jmarrapodi: RT @spkrinteractive: Challenge is making formal relevant #lrnchat
9:22:28 pm spotlearning: Hey, that might be my shiny ball…I lost one. @kasey428 @gminks I see another shiny ball, will be back #lrnchat
9:22:28 pm tmiket: Formal usually doesn’t account for wisdom of the learners which can sometimes be better than the formal content #lrnchat
9:22:37 pm pedepede2: I want my doctor to be learning continuously and not waiting for the next training session to learn new ideas @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat
9:22:38 pm arieliondotcom: Formal Learning = well-worn paths (same ole, same ole). Education needs innovation #lrnchat
9:22:41 pm Jeffhurt: @gminks Yep. And w/ twitter I can get it even faster.🙂 #lrnchat
9:22:42 pm JoanVinallCox: My fastest learning – in a group, all working on similar things, able to ask my question when I need to, & answer others #lrnchat
9:22:43 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth yeah, added it to the game page, but MBTI is a double! #lrnchat
9:22:46 pm gminks: @jmarrapodi I think so, easier for experts to do informal because they have the language to search for more info #lrnchat
9:22:49 pm jsuzcampos: Integrity says if they want it fast, and you want to do it right, a graceful exit is good all around #lrnchat RT @Quinnovator
9:23:09 pm kasey428: My team has to create mandated learning (training) events all the time. I see the bored faces. #lrnchat
9:23:11 pm gminks: @hjarche but don’t you control your own learning? #lrnchat
9:23:19 pm MariaOD: Formal learning gives quick results like dieting.You can learn formally & do the tasks but it does not last and diets don’t work. #lrnchat
9:23:21 pm Jeffhurt: RT @tmiket Formal usually doesn’t account for wisdom of the learners which can sometimes be better than the formal content #lrnchat
9:23:32 pm jmarrapodi: RT @spkrinteractive: Formal can aggregate a whole lot of best practice info that would take a long time on ones own to collect #lrnchat
9:23:39 pm jkmind: we need to find more ways to encourage social learning. Technology seems to have anegative effect on social learning #lrnchat
9:23:41 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator The Ss won’t like that. #lrnchat
9:23:47 pm gminks: @Jeffhurt heh not sure I agree with you, from my personal experience #lrnchat
9:23:53 pm dwilkinsnh: I’m a big soc learning proponent, but there is a lot that’s great about formal – we need to marry right interventions to problems #lrnchat
9:23:57 pm wlonline: shd we be asking about “credibility” of info in formal/informal learning., googled, etc #lrnchat
9:24:06 pm joewehr: I agree U need new avatar @marciamarcia I’m smiling ear-to-ear at spontaneous doubting that formal training is faster 4 learning. #lrnchat
9:24:10 pm jmarrapodi: @JoanVinallCox Like here? #lrnchat
9:24:10 pm moehlert: @hjarche #lrnchat Time to read some Foucault. Saw great presentation by Gary Woodill from Brandon Hall on the history of the classroom.
9:24:35 pm gminks: Q2 – recognize that people learn socially and make ways to take advantage of that #lrnchat
9:24:38 pm jwillensky: Q2 Social learning tools can make hidden practices and knowledge available to an org. Like buried tresaure. #lrnchat
9:24:42 pm Quinnovator: @joewehr yes but still role for formal; when want to learn something big and new, I might want (good, social) formal approach #lrnchat
9:24:41 pm spotlearning: @tmiket We design *lots* of formal learning to capture and share learner wisdom. Works nicely and is quite social in nature. #lrnchat
9:24:43 pm tmiket: @jkmind really? how so? Technology seems to have anegative effect on social learning #lrnchat
9:24:46 pm hjarche: @gminks I am very much in control of my own learning, but I do not have an employer #lrnchat
9:24:51 pm xpconcept: @kasey428 – mandated doesn’t need to be boring:) SME’s and employees are used to it being that way. Tradition is a b!itch #lrnchat.
9:24:54 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What should orgs being doing to benefit from social learning (in either formal & informal situations). #lrnchat
9:25:13 pm J_Schulz: @dwilkinsnh Exactly! – the content should drive modality. #lrnchat
9:25:15 pm joewehr: Not IMO @rpannoni Formal learning = prescribed learning? #lrnchat
9:25:22 pm mglazer: orgs should be asking questions that matter, that move the biz needle and spark new conversations and innovation #lrnchat
9:25:25 pm MariaOD: Informal learning is a life long habit. We are are invested in it and it is meaningful. #lrnchat
9:25:28 pm KoreenOlbrish: oh tweetchat, why have you forsaken me? #lrnchat
9:25:29 pm gminks: maybe social needs to look at all the bad in formal, and work to fix those things #lrnchat
9:25:30 pm Quinnovator: Q2: first, *explicitly* taking ownership of informal, and then figuring out how to make happen #lrnchat
9:25:34 pm Jeffhurt: Formal (top-down), command & control learning doesn’t account for collaborative knowledge-making. #lrnchat
9:25:36 pm jmarrapodi: @jkmind: What do you mean “Technology seems to have a negative effect on social learning”? #lrnchat
9:25:37 pm tmiket: @spotlearning Yes, it can be done but usually isn’t – at least the formal ones I’ve seen #lrnchat
9:25:40 pm jwillensky: @moehlert Oh jeez. Foucault calls for a double. #lrnchat
9:25:40 pm marciamarcia: On an informal social adhoc note: I’d like to give a FORMAL standingO to @LearnNuggets for amazing artwork on http://sn.im/lrnchat #lrnchat
9:25:41 pm ScottWyler: @dwilkinsnh soc learning vs. formal… so, it’s not an either-or fight to the death? #lrnchat
9:25:42 pm spkrinteractive: My high school used the “Harkness system”. Every class had a syllabus, but informal other than that. #lrnchat
9:25:43 pm JaneBozarth: @moehlert Don’t Foucault with me. Drink! #lrnchat
9:25:53 pm kellygarber: Formal lrning when you know nothing – build a foundation of knowledge then educated questions fuel your informal learning #lrnchat
9:26:10 pm wlonline: Q2 organisations shd support individual continuous learning and organisational learning like using #lrnchat
9:26:20 pm mglazer: orgs would also benefit from designing systems upfront to monitor, measure, recognize and reward the results #lrnchat
9:26:21 pm gminks: @learnnuggets I love the artwork! #lrnchat
9:26:30 pm jmarrapodi: Sheesh are there 100 of you tonight? This is going wicked fast. :^) #lrnchat
9:26:40 pm joewehr: Also inividual lrng style @pedepede2 Formal and informal learning: I think they can learn to get along. Fitting method to need. #lrnchat
9:26:45 pm moehlert: @jwillensky #lrnchat Foucault ROCKS!
9:26:48 pm JaneBozarth: http://twitpic.com/dstma – Big hand for Kevin and the new #lrnchat logo!
9:26:49 pm jsuzcampos: is there a HYBRID of social and formal learning that is appropriate? #lrnchat
9:26:52 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert wish we could not equate formal with ‘classroom’, don’t confound good formal with most of the dreck out there #lrnchat
9:26:53 pm tmiket: @kellygarber Good point. Experts are probably better informal learners than novices in general #lrnchat
9:27:08 pm pedepede2: Q2 The org needs to be able to embrace & share new ideas in the 1st place. An individual learning aint the org learning #lrnchat
9:27:11 pm jmarrapodi: @spkrinteractive How effective was the Harkness system in that HS? #lrnchat
9:27:14 pm LearnNuggets: @gminks Thanks, but be sure to thank @marciamarcia too…her vision #lrnchat
9:27:26 pm ScottWyler: RT @kellygarber: Formal lrning to build a foundation of knowledge then educated questions fuel your informal learning #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:27:28 pm JaneBozarth: @moehlert I know Foucault rocks I just couldn’t resist #lrnchat
9:27:29 pm spkrinteractive: AMEN RT @jsuzcampos: is there a HYBRID of social and formal learning that is appropriate? #lrnchat
9:27:30 pm Quinnovator: good formal would be social, constructivist, problem-based, etc, which I still believe can have a role! #lrnchat
9:27:39 pm gminks: @hjarche I’d say even those of us w an employer are in charge of if and what we learn, no matter the prescribed learning path #lrnchat
9:27:39 pm spotlearning: Q2) Capture the social wisdom (listen) …and then do something with it (act) …then tell people (respond). #lrnchat
9:27:42 pm MariaOD: @tmiket interesting about technology being a barrier to social learning. Please elaborate. #lrnchat
9:27:51 pm marciamarcia: @jmarrapodi At best it’s all about the serendipity. Sometimes I learn things from the transcripts weeks/months later! #lrnchat
9:27:54 pm jmarrapodi: @jsuzcampos EGAD another derivative of blended learning. Now we’re really gonna confuse them. #lrnchat
9:28:03 pm gminks: nice vision all around! RT @LearnNuggets: @gminks Thanks, but be sure to thank @marciamarcia too…her vision #lrnchat
9:28:12 pm JaneBozarth: Q2 my interest is smaller, trainers, not orgs. Need to be intentional about getting into spaces btwn formal training events #lrnchat
9:28:14 pm kasey428: More informal lrng, but in my case, we must convince clients that learning can occur in ways other than butts in seats #lrnchat
9:28:16 pm LearnNuggets: @JaneBozarth Thank you! Hat’s off to miss @marciamarcia, too for her vision #lrnchat
9:28:19 pm dbolen: RT @MariaOD: Informal learning is a life long habit. We are are invested in it and it is meaningful. #lrnchat
9:28:29 pm Jeffhurt: Q2) Orgs should become a conduit connecting others to one other for learning, become repositories for shared learning #lrnchat
9:28:33 pm Quinnovator: RT @kellygarber: Formal lrning when you know nothing – build foundation of knowledge then educated questions fuel informal learning #lrnchat
9:28:33 pm KoreenOlbrish: @marciamarcia i was waiting for you to use the “s” word ! #lrnchat
9:28:34 pm gminks: RT @wlonline: Q2 organisations shd support individual continuous learning and organisational learning like using #lrnchat
9:28:36 pm spkrinteractive: @jmarrapodi Harkness was incredibly effective, but we had a lot of over-achievers which makes it easier. #lrnchat
9:28:50 pm jsuzcampos: Possible that “formal” apply more to instructional strategy and “social” apply more to learning stlye? (Sorry, late to #lrnchat tonight!).
9:28:50 pm wlonline: Q2 individuals in organisation need 2 embrace change and realise that it’s a world of learning/knowledge out there #lrnchat
9:28:53 pm tmiket: @MariaOD Wasn’t my comment. I’m curious about that too. Great to see you again #lrnchat
9:28:58 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Quinnovator: wish we could not equate formal with ‘classroom’, don’t confound good formal with most of the dreck out there #lrnchat
9:29:03 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat I hear you there. You’re right in pulling those two apart. And I’m not anti-formal (I look good in a tux)
9:29:04 pm andyhughes: @spkrinteractive That’s awesome, is your school a magnet school? #lrnchat
9:29:08 pm jkmind: @tmiket technology can work both ways. people can hide behind it people can also learn to use. it #lrnchat
9:29:07 pm Quinnovator: yes, cheers! RT @gminks: @learnnuggets I love the artwork! #lrnchat
9:29:07 pm LearnNuggets: @MariaOD @tmiket Technology is a barrier if an org’s infrastructure won’t support it #lrnchat
9:29:10 pm dwilkinsnh: In online help research – newbies *always* go to TOC when learning new app; competent users hit the index 1st- formal vs informal #lrnchat
9:29:10 pm JaneBozarth: RT @marciamarcia: At best it’s all about the serendipity. Sometimes I learn things from the transcripts weeks/months later! #lrnchat
9:29:14 pm Quinnovator: @jmarrapodi gets better all the time! #lrnchat
9:29:20 pm joewehr: Who aggregates & shares evals? @hjarche w/0 formal training progs, doctors would still learn & ppl would go 2 those w best record #lrnchat
9:29:50 pm cammybean: Hi guys. #lrnchat
9:29:53 pm ScottWyler: Yes! RT @Quinnovator: good formal would be social, constructivist, problem-based, etc. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:30:05 pm spkrinteractive: @andyhughes It is (was 25 years ago for me) a boarding school in New Hampshire #lrnchat
9:30:06 pm dwilkinsnh: @ScottWyler def not a fight to the death; formal and social fit like hand and glove; best value is in the intersection #lrnchat
9:30:06 pm JaneBozarth: RT @kasey428: More informal lrng …we must convince clients that learning can occur in ways other than butts in seats #lrnchat
9:30:06 pm gminks: RT @spotlearning: Q2) Capture the social wisdom (listen) …and then do something with it (act) …then tell people (respond). #lrnchat
9:30:13 pm mglazer: @spotlearning nice, concise answer #lrnchat
9:30:18 pm grantricketts: orgs can provide road maps for strategic intent and help orchestrate informal and social learning networks around those causes #lrnchat
9:30:18 pm hjarche: If “formal learning for basic skills” was true then none of us would have learned how to speak #lrnchat
9:30:19 pm marciamarcia: @kasey428 I overcome this barrier quickly by asking the exec I’m working w/ what they’ve learned recently and how they learned it. #lrnchat
9:30:20 pm Quinnovator: @jsuzcampos definitely a formal/social hybrid. Group problem-based learning, for instance #lrnchat
9:30:22 pm Jeffhurt: Q2) Orgs should shift strategy from a focus on information as such to helping others learn to judge reliable information. #lrnchat
9:30:27 pm JaneBozarth: Hey look @Cammybean ‘s here! #lrnchat
9:30:29 pm roninchef: @cammybean Hi #lrnchat
9:30:32 pm KoreenOlbrish: formal learning is designed. we all know there is good design, and BAD design😉 #lrnchat
9:30:36 pm wlonline: @JaneBozarth @marciamarcia After #lrnchat sessions, can still post thots ie post #lrnchat chats
9:30:44 pm joewehr: Bingo!!! @gminks I guess learning depends on the learner #lrnchat
9:30:48 pm kasey428: @cammybean. Glad you made it. #lrnchat
9:30:50 pm dwilkinsnh: @ScottWyler at some point a cool new innovation idea needs to get put into some sort of development cycle with experts #lrnchat
9:30:51 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @ScottWyler: Formal lrning to build a foundation of knowledge then educated questions fuel your informal learning YES! #lrnchat
9:31:03 pm Quinnovator: @gminks right, you can lead a learner to learning, but you can’t make them think (apologies to Dorothy Parker) #lrnchat
9:31:03 pm wlonline: after reflecting on transcripts #lrnchat
9:31:07 pm gminks: RT @kasey428: More informal lrng, but we must convince clients that learning can occur in ways other than butts in seats #lrnchat
9:31:20 pm J_Schulz: Hey Cammy! #lrnchat
9:31:29 pm spotlearning: RT @grantricketts orgs can provide road maps for strategic intent and help orchestrate informal and social learning networks… #lrnchat
9:31:29 pm sleveo: @Quinnovator Q2: first, *explicitly* taking ownership of informal? What does that mean? #lrnchat
9:31:29 pm spkrinteractive: At a recent job, we build CBT’s that included a crowdsourcing component which asked everyone to share ideas asynchronously. #lrnchat
9:31:39 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @Quinnovator: @gminks right, you can lead a learner to learning, but you cant make them think (apologies to Dorothy Parker) #lrnchat
9:31:42 pm spkrinteractive: That was a good mix of informal and formal #lrnchat
9:31:47 pm LearnNuggets: @cammybean Howdy! Good to ‘see’ you #lrnchat
9:31:52 pm cammybean: Hi everyone. Yes. I am here. But what’s going on? Something about learning, right? #lrnchat
9:31:55 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert after a few drinks, most of us look good in anything #lrnchat
9:31:58 pm ShiftParadigm: Twitteriffic chats– #edchat, #writechat, #educhat #lrnchat
9:32:00 pm rpannoni: Formal social learning is a scaling technique. Replace 1 expert with many. #lrnchat
9:32:08 pm tmiket: RT @Quinnovator: @gminks right, you can lead a learner to learning, but you can’t make them think (apologies to Dorothy Parker) #lrnchat
9:32:13 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @dbolen: RT @MariaOD: Informal learning is a life long habit. We are are invested in it and it is meaningful. #lrnchat
9:32:17 pm MariaOD: I was thinking about learning how to scuba dive. I love to read about it and watch videos, even try a game. Have I learned it? #lrnchat
9:32:18 pm hjarche: we are innate learners and instructional design is a best guess to approximate it, but not overly effective in most cases #lrnchat
9:32:40 pm wlonline: RT @gminks @kasey428: >informal lrng, but we must convince clients that learning can occur in ways other than butts in seats #lrnchat <- Y
9:32:44 pm Jeffhurt: @marciamarcia I like to call social media my tool for engineering randomness & accelerating serendipity #lrnchat
9:32:47 pm cindyhugg: joining #lrnchat way late today.
9:32:58 pm joewehr: Encourage & support Q2) What should orgs being doing to benefit from social learning (in either formal & informal situations). #lrnchat
9:33:17 pm kasey428: Feds require 40 hours of training a year. Learning = 40 hours in classroom. That is THE measurement. #lrnchat
9:33:24 pm tmiket: @LearnNuggets But isn’t that the infrastructure that’s the barrier and not the technology? #lrnchat
9:33:24 pm ScottWyler: @dwilkinsnh I like the back-and-forth of the development cycle… #lrnchat
9:33:43 pm MariaOD: and tweetchat decides to take a break lol drink! #lrnchat
9:33:51 pm andyhughes: @KoreenOlbrish Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. A terrible course could be a gem to the facilitator. #lrnchat http://twubs.com/lrnchat
9:33:53 pm LearnNuggets: That’s it: Infrml and Social not designed. RT @KoreenOlbrish: frml lrng is designed. we all know there’s good design, & BAD design #lrnchat
9:33:55 pm dwilkinsnh: Q2) I think a good place to start is for orgs to set up some infrastructure to enable social learning; too many still have nothing #lrnchat
9:34:11 pm sleveo: RT @kasey428 More informal lrng, but in my case, we must convince clients that learning can occur in ways other than butts in seats #lrnchat
9:34:14 pm wlonline: #lrnchat is serendipitous (@marciamarcia) and spotaneous so chance to work the grey matter😀
9:34:21 pm JaneBozarth: @dbolen re “you must be a J”. You are BAD. #lrnchat
9:34:21 pm gminks: waving hi too!! RT @J_Schulz: Hey Cammy! #lrnchat
9:34:49 pm LearnNuggets: @cammybean Yep! @gminks as to *drink* and @marciamarcia said the “s” word. #lrnchat
9:35:06 pm spkrinteractive: @ShiftParadigm whole list of Twitter chats at http://bit.ly/oXBBu #lrnchat
9:35:09 pm Quinnovator: @sleveo that means learning org (aka training dept) broadens responsibility to include practitioner & expert support #lrnchat
9:35:11 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Jeffhurt: I like to call social media my tool for engineering randomness & accelerating serendipity #lrnchat
9:35:18 pm andyhughes: @spkrinteractive We see a big demand for that option w/ push to social tools built into the learning tools #lrnchat http://twubs.com/lrnchat
9:35:19 pm MarkMorganMA: #lrnchat Hello
9:35:22 pm jsuzcampos: @dwilkinsnh re: cool new innovation idea , i proposed a model of “integration” versus “implementation” for workplace learning. #lrnchat
9:35:26 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @hjarche: we are innate learners & instructional design is a best guess 2 approximate it, but not overly effective in most cases #lrnchat
9:35:26 pm tmiket: @cindyhugg Better late than never right?! #lrnchat
9:35:29 pm gminks: @MariaOD can you scuba dive? Nice new avatar btw #lrnchat
9:35:33 pm JoanVinallCox: @hjarche We learn to speak socially. Is deliberate teaching of infants formal? #lrnchat
9:35:34 pm Quinnovator: @cammybean nah, seems to be more about drinking #lrnchat
9:35:35 pm spotlearning: Q2) We capture classroom brainstorming around learning topics and review it later for action ideas. #lrnchat
9:35:39 pm Jeffhurt: Challenge with formal learning is often learner cooperates in a classroom only if it maximizes narrow self-interest. #lrnchat
9:35:48 pm wlonline: RT @cindyhugg: joining #lrnchat way late today. <— never too late😀
9:35:54 pm bschlenker: If orgs know what knowledge domains are required, then creating topic “channels” is a great long term strategy – constant flow #lrnchat
9:35:55 pm jkmind: @hjarche sometimes I wonder if ID is best suited to deciding how best not to design someting and letting learning just take palce. #lrnchat
9:36:01 pm andyhughes: RT @rpannoni: Formal social learning is a scaling technique. Replace 1 expert with many. #lrnchat <- true #lrnchat http://twubs.com/lrnchat
9:36:13 pm dwilkinsnh: My favorite model for the way to envision a complete org learning strategy is @hjarche’s codified, collaborative, emergent diagram #lrnchat
9:36:21 pm jmarrapodi: @cindyhugg Nice to see you. #lrnchat
9:36:33 pm moehlert: #lrnchat RT @expert20: Twitter Announces Retweet API http://bit.ly/1amlnv
9:36:37 pm marciamarcia: I like to call social media my tool for engineering randomness & accelerating serendipity. (RT @Jeffhurt) Yesyes! #lrnchat
9:36:49 pm J_Schulz: @jsuzcampos Agree again! Most orgs have disparate tool sets that req way too much thinking on user’s behalf. #lrnchat
9:36:49 pm gminks: RT @dwilkinsnh: a good place to start is for orgs to set up some infrastructure to enable social learning #lrnchat
9:36:53 pm Quinnovator: @MariaOD good point, i felt safer scuba diving after lessons than thinking about learning by experimenting! #lrnchat
9:37:06 pm spotlearning: Q2) What about tracking informal? We have tools to do it, but we don’t pay much attention to it past indiv. to mgr. Anyone? #lrnchat
9:37:20 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q2: orgs I know might not embrace the term social learning; advocates need to emphasize how learning happens & forget labels. #lrnchat
9:37:24 pm hjarche: Goodbye butts in chairs! http://bit.ly/18IoKB #lrnchat
9:37:33 pm mglazer: @LearnNuggets Id’ say it a little differently. Formal is just designed ahead of time #lrnchat
9:37:38 pm JaneBozarth: RT @kasey428: Feds require 40 hours of training a year. Learning = 40 hours in classroom. That is THE measurement. #lrnchat
9:37:46 pm moehlert: @bschlenker #lrnchat Channels can turn into ruts really easily🙂 I’d rather have a wide delta, grassland
9:37:50 pm Quinnovator: yes, not outcomes! RT @kasey428: Feds require 40 hours of training a year. Learning=40 hours in classroom. That is THE measurement. #lrnchat
9:37:56 pm kasey428: RT @dwilkinsnh Q2) ….good place to start is for orgs to set up some infrastructure to enable social learning… #lrnchat
9:37:57 pm LearnNuggets: @tmiket Good point. My saying: “Anything is doable” Tech will ALWAYS be there. Problem: Orgs try to shove concept into tech 1st. #lrnchat
9:37:58 pm xpconcept: #lrnchat Not sure I could learn to be a Kung Fu master informally.
9:38:06 pm jkmind: @dwilkinsnh can twitter help replace the water cooler for distributed or on the road workfoces? #lrnchat
9:38:10 pm cindyhugg: @kasey428 regarding the 40 hrs req’d, would self-reporting of informal/social learning count? #lrnchat
9:38:28 pm Dave_Ferguson: I feel compelled to point out there’s a lot of bad informal & bad social. Otherwise no in-law jokes. #lrnchat
9:38:33 pm rpannoni: Q2: Social learning often requires a calculated effort to change organizational culture. #lrnchat
9:38:34 pm dwilkinsnh: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What should orgs being doing to benefit from social learning (in either formal & informal situations). #lrnchat
9:38:38 pm wlonline: Q2 Problem is the people not tech ie senior execs who wont commit? #lrnchat
9:38:42 pm spkrinteractive: @Jeffhurt Yes. So hard to make formal relevant. Usually designed for too broad a target audience. #lrnchat
9:38:46 pm jmarrapodi: @LearnNuggets: Thats it: Infrml and Social not designed &frml lrng is designed. But don’t we need to make it happen? that’s design. #lrnchat
9:38:54 pm jsuzcampos: Q2 (#lrnchat), orgs need a value proposition for social media. “ignorance is the parent of fear.” (Herman Melville) demonstrate its VALUE.
9:38:56 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @Jeffhurt: I like to call social media my tool for engineering randomness & accelerating serendipity #lrnchat
9:39:01 pm CotterHUE: RT @sleveo @kasey428 More informal lrng, but we must convince clients that learning can occur in ways other than butts in seats #lrnchat
9:39:09 pm Quinnovator: welcome to new attendees and late arrivals! #lrnchat
9:39:11 pm MariaOD: Q2 What’s in it for the Org?Cutting edge work environment/recruitment. What are the risks?Hurry up -employees are already learning! #lrnchat
9:39:21 pm hjarche: @JoanVinallCox that’s the biq Q of modeling vs shaping http://is.gd/2fVaB #lrnchat
9:39:23 pm mglazer: @andyhughes from your POV, what do the ppl building the learning and social tools hope to accomplish? #lrnchat
9:39:37 pm andyhughes: RT @spkrinteractive: @ShiftParadigm whole list of Twitter chats at http://bit.ly/oXBBu #lrnchat
9:39:46 pm jmarrapodi: RT@bschlenker: If orgs know what knowledge domains are required, then creating topic “channels” is a great long term strategy #lrnchat
9:39:53 pm cindyhugg: RT @moehlert @expert20: Twitter Announces Retweet API http://bit.ly/1amlnv <==looking forward to this increasing the conversation #lrnchat
9:40:08 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JoanVinallCox Teaching & learning of infants is wildly inefficient, but they have a crummy union. #lrnchat
9:40:11 pm bschlenker: @moehlert #lrnchat – Agree, but I think a channel can be both deep and wide depending upon the tech being used.
9:40:18 pm JaneBozarth: @j_schulz @jsuzcampos Yes, orgs put burdon on users, then blame user for failure/lack of use #lrnchat
9:40:29 pm tmiket: @Quinnovator The price for experimenting with SCUBA diving is a little high. 8-D #lrnchat
9:40:41 pm kellygarber: @hjarche IMO, If formal learning than an ID is essential. #lrnchat
9:40:57 pm MariaOD: Whenever we talk informal learning somebody has to bring up assessment and tracking. Glad it wasn’t me this time! lol #lrnchat
9:40:58 pm Jeffhurt: Q2) Orgs need 2 move from thinking of learning as a bundle of rules, regs, & norms governing actions w/ in its structure to 1/2 #lrnchat
9:41:01 pm sleveo: RT @dwilkinsnh In online help research – newbies *always* go to TOC when learning new app; competent users hit the index 1st #lrnchat
9:41:01 pm cammybean: “Formalizing Informal Learning- What? Why? How?” September 15 with Lance Dublin #lrnchat
9:41:06 pm moehlert: @bschlenker #lrnchat or channels could be like “500 channels and nothing’s on”😉
9:41:07 pm lrnchat: Q3) What can learning professionals do to use social learning techniques and tools for both formal and informal learning? #lrnchat
9:41:08 pm tmiket: RT @marciamarcia: I like to call social media my tool for engineering randomness & accelerating serendipity. (RT @Jeffhurt) Yesyes! #lrnchat
9:41:13 pm ScottWyler: @wlonline fear of unknown = fear of loss of control #lrnchat
9:41:28 pm xpconcept: I want police, fire, emergency to have formal training. Guesswork and group think already happens. Foundations / standards = good. #lrnchat
9:41:55 pm roninchef: Have we discussed how orgs discover how their emps are already using informal/social learning. Not introducing something new. #lrnchat
9:41:55 pm gminks: RT @wlonline: @dwilkinsnh its not the infrastructure but willingness to adopt change ? fear of unknown? #lrnchat
9:41:56 pm Jeffhurt: Q2) Orgs move to think of themselves as mobilizing networks. Mobilizing flexibility, interactivity, and outcomes 2/2 #lrnchat
9:42:04 pm J_Schulz: @Quinnovator @MariaOD But aren’t there times when u need to experience something BEFORE a lesson to be able to fit pieces together? #lrnchat
9:42:09 pm CotterHUE: @sleveo @kasey428 In many professions you give the client (or boss) what they need but make it seem like its what they expected. #lrnchat
9:42:24 pm dwilkinsnh: @jkmind I think so, but orgs have to be careful about the public watercooler – Yammer though might be great #lrnchat
9:42:26 pm Dave_Ferguson: Anybody who thinks it’s only the feds hung up on hours = accomplishments must know no lawyers, engineers, accountants, IT types. #lrnchat
9:42:45 pm kellygarber: @spotlearning Q2 – would tracking informal create a “big brother” policy that would stifle informal learning? #lrnchat
9:42:46 pm cindyhugg: RT @spotlearning: Q2) What about tracking informal? We have tools to do it #lrnchat <== what tools do you use to track informal learning?
9:42:56 pm Quinnovator: @tmiket exactly, wouldn’t want to learn to fly by ‘experimentation’ either #lrnchat
9:43:07 pm spotlearning: @dwilkinsnh Who is “they” for strategy and infrastructure? Doesn’t making that case belong to us (learning community)? #lrnchat
9:43:10 pm wlonline: Q3 have an open mind about learning #lrnchat
9:43:27 pm sahana2802: RT @jsuzcampos Q2 #lrnchat, orgs need a value proposition for SoMe. ignorance is the parent of fear. Herman Melville demonstrate its VALUE.
9:43:50 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh link to @hjarche’s diagram? #lrnchat
9:43:55 pm xpconcept: RT @kasey428: Learning=40 hours in classroom. That is THE measurement. #lrnchat – some agencies STARTING to get it:) L4+ = the measurement
9:43:56 pm JaneBozarth: Hey @dave_ferguson! Yea or Nay: Is all learning social? #lrnchat
9:44:14 pm tmiket: @Dave_Ferguson That might make a good topic sometime – what makes learning design good vs bad #lrnchat
9:44:24 pm spotlearning: RT @xpconcept Social is about me and the universe. Formal is about the instructor, the content, and my boredom (usually) #lrnchat
9:44:27 pm dwilkinsnh: @spotlearning Tracking informal / social is critical – key influencers, hot topics etc… are huge data points for ROI analysis #lrnchat
9:44:38 pm ScottWyler: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q2: orgs might not embrace term social learning; need to emphasize how learning happens & forget labels #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:44:40 pm LearnNuggets: @mglazer Tonight’s session was not designed. lrnchat may be the best example of a blended Informal & Formal experience. #lrnchat
9:44:46 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert I like to think of the ‘performance ecosystem’ (@jaycross calls it the learnscape) #lrnchat
9:44:51 pm chrisstjohn: RT @tourangnaz: http://bit.ly/2ex2zw Hear Deloitte’s Steve Lunceford on today’s Federal Drive discussing DOD’s Web 2.0 Usage #lrnchat
9:44:53 pm mglazer: @spotlearning it may be b/c more focus is on activity vs outcomes. For starters, knowing what to try, why it matters upfront helps #lrnchat
9:44:54 pm JaneBozarth: @rpannoni That’s a long list, those things that require shift in organizational culture #lrnchat
9:44:56 pm Dave_Ferguson: -@JaneBozarth All learning is biochemical. #lrnchat
9:44:59 pm tmiket: @dwilkinsnh For starters, unblock social web sites to help informal/social learning #lrnchat
9:45:06 pm bestofchat: RT @ShiftParadigm Twitteriffic chats– #edchat, #writechat, #educhat #lrnchat http://bit.ly/GLyGK
9:45:08 pm jsuzcampos: #lrnchat, Q3, we can model the utility of social learning, show how it is already being used as a “force for good” in the org
9:45:11 pm gargamit100: Hi everyone. Just joined. Its 7 AM here in India #lrnchat
9:45:16 pm dwilkinsnh: @spotlearning orgs in general – but yes, this is ours to own if we just step up to the plate #lrnchat
9:45:16 pm joewehr: Does Twitter support/facilitate informal/social learning? I think so Would mgmt agree? #lrnchat
9:45:18 pm jwillensky: Q3 Use what you can. Ask for forgiveness, not permission. #lrnchat
9:45:26 pm bestofchat: RT @thejordanrules , got 2 more: #smallbizchat #lrnchat: My Post: http://bit.ly/19EA3k http://bit.ly/35lx65
9:45:52 pm simon_puleo: Integrate these online tools into classroom pre and post work #lrnchat
9:46:01 pm spotlearning: @mariaOD – yes… IMHO, social & informal learning WILL continue to rise, whether we prepare for it or not. #lrnchat
9:46:10 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @JoanVinallCox Teaching & learning of infants is wildly inefficient, but they have a crummy union. #lrnchat
9:46:13 pm jsuzcampos: #lrnchat, Q3 UNLEASH THE FEAR!
9:46:14 pm LearnNuggets: @jmarrapodi Design is a forethought. Tonight is not designed except for topic choice. It’s a blend of Informal and Social. #lrnchat
9:46:15 pm marciamarcia: RT @asandford: I like ‘teach help and share’ as a mantra for SM advocates. #lrnchat #behindthefirewall
9:46:20 pm cammybean: – @JaneBozarth If I read a book alone at night and learn from it, is that social? I don’t think so… #lrnchat
9:46:22 pm chrisstjohn: RT @legionbirdman: Policy on Social Networking Sites a DoD Priority – DoD Live – http://shar.es/902P #lrnchat
9:46:22 pm jkmind: @mglazer the opportunity for social interaction. Your POV guides what you do with it. We are dscsing lrning. Others might dsc cars. #lrnchat
9:46:25 pm alvinmartinez: Very true words: “i’d like to say all learning is social, but i learned a thing or two on my own…” #lrnchat (via @KoreenOlbrish)
9:46:30 pm Quinnovator: @J_Schulz yes you need to be ‘ready’, why I argue for prob-based, but other ways too #lrnchat
9:46:33 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator #lrnchat http://bit.ly/MLNqp
9:46:37 pm tmiket: RT @rickmahn: What works many times is 2 have sanctioned “pirates” within org. They teach, share & help folks see value. #lrnchat
9:46:58 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q3. learning peeps should be designing for serendipity…semi-formal🙂 #lrnchat
9:47:08 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator link to Harold and Jay’s awesome diagram and post – http://bit.ly/MLNqp #lrnchat
9:47:12 pm jwillensky: @jsuzcampos Unleash it or defeat it?🙂 #lrnchat
9:47:25 pm JaneBozarth: Q3 Go where the users are and see what soc learning strats will work in situ, not in context of the formal learning site #lrnchat
9:47:30 pm spkrinteractive: Q3) inject an idea crowdsourcing app into learning so that people can APPLY the learning collaboratively #lrnchat
9:47:37 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What can lrng professionals do to use social learning techniques and tools for both formal and informal learning? #lrnchat
9:47:38 pm marciamarcia: Even I don’t believe formal training has no place. I just don’t think it sometimes belongs in the places where I see it. #lrnchat
9:47:42 pm Dave_Ferguson: @xpconcept I want cops, fire, emergency to have EFFECTIVE trng. Requires planning. Diff from “formal” #lrnchat
9:47:50 pm xpconcept: Q3) Stop thinking isolated interventions. Think layers, speak in terms of lng term benefit, change points of measure… #lrnchat
9:47:57 pm JaneBozarth: Q3 involve “users” as those who are links in chain to performance, ie, supervisor, employee, customer, etc #lrnchat
9:48:10 pm gminks: uh oh @dwilkinsnh said the Y word #lrnchat
9:48:15 pm Quinnovator: Thanks (oh yes, that one, like too!) RT @dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator #lrnchat http://bit.ly/MLNqp
9:48:17 pm grantricketts: And trainers become ‘newsroom editors’ RT@bschlenker: If org knowledge domains needed, creating topic “channels” grt stgy #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:48:30 pm Dave_Ferguson: @cindyhugg Best part of tracking informal learning: irritating all the iPhone folks & people who tweet in their sleep #lrnchat
9:48:33 pm gargamit100: This should help! RT @cammybean: “Formalizing Informal Learning- What? Why? How?” September 15 with Lance Dublin #lrnchat
9:48:37 pm gminks: Q3 I try to design labs that are open, so learners can talk about what they do/would like to do #lrnchat
9:48:41 pm jkmind: @dwilkinsnh nothing should be createdin a vacuum #lrnchat
9:48:55 pm Jeffhurt: Q3) Design learning experiences that involve connectivity & interactivity #lrnchat
9:48:56 pm MariaOD: Yes! @J_Schulz but in scuba I wanna understand NARC and not ever experience it. #lrnchat
9:48:57 pm grantricketts: What new roles would be needed to support org social learning networks? #lrnchat
9:49:00 pm KoreenOlbrish: people are always going to learn informally…the question is how to provide opportunities #lrnchat
9:49:08 pm pedepede2: Eg from uni study: use social tool like wiki to establish themes and identify gaps in knowledge and interests then design from that #lrnchat
9:49:11 pm kasey428: We have CPA firms contract us to provide hours of training. No, it isn’t just government. Clients struggle on how to measure. #lrnchat
9:49:16 pm hjarche: link to 21st C learning skills mentioned by @dwilkinsnh – see diagram in this article http://is.gd/2fW2G #lrnchat
9:49:23 pm spotlearning: @kellygarber We track informal so learners get “credit” for off-path learning, but it doesn’t lead to certification…just credit. #lrnchat
9:49:32 pm Quinnovator: Q3: while I don’t like “non-formal”, I do like the notion of explicit support of informal #lrnchat
9:49:33 pm Dave_Ferguson: Holy moses, is TweetChat lagging. Brings to mind TeleVideo 950 and an acoustic coupler. #lrnchat
9:49:34 pm jsuzcampos: @jwillensky UNLEASH IT, once acknowledged,l it can be addressed honestly and constructively ! #lrnchat
9:49:37 pm xpconcept: Q3) Learning is a campaign and it manifests best in thin flexible layers (IMO) #lrnchat
9:49:54 pm jsuzcampos: @tmiket agreed about a good #lrnchat topic, good versus bad learning design.
9:50:12 pm cammybean: Lance Dublin on ‘Formalizing Informal Learning…&#%!? Why? How?’ Sept 15 1pm EST http://bit.ly/16iLfe #lrnchat
9:50:14 pm spotlearning: @kellygarber We don’t see big-brother effect…but I’m on this side of the perception. #lrnchat
9:50:37 pm MariaOD: @gargamit100 wow early.. hello! #lrnchat
9:50:40 pm jkmind: @joewehr enlightened mg #lrnchat
9:50:45 pm gminks: Ok wait – you can’t unblock all social sites. May not fit the org’s mission to do so. #lrnchat
9:50:55 pm JaneBozarth: Love both of these RT @Quinnovator: @moehlert I like to think of the ‘performance ecosystem’ (@jaycross calls it the learnscape) #lrnchat
9:51:08 pm cindyhugg: Q3) to use social learning techniques & tools for formal & informal learning <= create blended approach & give learners choices #lrnchat
9:51:17 pm Dave_Ferguson: @joewehr I think this chat is an example of one way twitter can support exchange/connection/serendipity. ( Compliance, less so.) #lrnchat
9:51:17 pm Jeffhurt: Q3) Move from copyright-protected info. Create culture that seeks 2 share openly, freely in both creating & distributing knowledge #lrnchat
9:51:17 pm mtechman: RT @marciamarcia Even I don’t believe formal training has no place-just don’t think it sometimes belongs in places where I see it. #lrnchat
9:51:20 pm JoanVinallCox: Learning professionals can use social learning techniques and tools for both formal and informal learning by joining #lrnchat
9:51:23 pm iBradWilson: Missed #eventprofs today and now it appears I’m missing another good chat at #lrnchat ! I need to get back in the chat saddle.
9:51:39 pm xpconcept: Starting to use a paint metaphor. Fml / blend self-dir e-pkgs are simply primer, others might be wax. Never all coats, never done. #lrnchat
9:51:40 pm mglazer: @LearnNuggets you’re right. good point #lrnchat
9:51:52 pm Quinnovator: Q3, con’t: don’t expect that your learners are efficient/effective informal & social learners, facilitate culture AND skills! #lrnchat
9:51:54 pm rpannoni: Participating in social learning leaves a trail. You don’t need to track, just search. #lrnchat
9:52:01 pm wlonline: #lrnchat gotta signout thx everyone n look forward to transcript
9:52:03 pm tmiket: @spotlearning Is informal lrng rising or just becoming more recognized? Maybe it’s more possible now too? #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:52:13 pm gminks: RT @spotlearning Tracking informal / social is critical – key influencers, hot topics etc are huge data points for ROI analysis #lrnchat
9:52:14 pm roninchef: Q3 Bring in the social right at the start of the formal. Then show the ways that informal is available. #lrnchat
9:52:21 pm JaneBozarth: 1/2 RT @tmiket: What works many times is 2 have sanctioned “pirates” within org. They teach, share & help folks see value. #lrnchat
9:52:35 pm Jeffhurt: Q3) From from social “me”dia to social “we”b #lrnchat
9:52:35 pm MariaOD: @KoreenOlbrish How the heck do we sell “seredipity” to the leadership? lol #lrnchat
9:52:53 pm JaneBozarth: 2/2 Good lit on that somewhere…called “bootleg” communities of practice…let me see if I can find it #lrnchat
9:53:02 pm joewehr: Slidedeck on Netflix Culture http://bit.ly/WC4Qh How’d you like to work there Bet lots of Informal & social learning there #lrnchat
9:53:13 pm Quinnovator: @jsuzcampos @dwilkinsnh has some great examples, and more are coming all the time http://bit.ly/K16NU #lrnchat
9:53:17 pm tmiket: RT @marciamarcia: Even I dont believe formal training has no place. I just dont think it st belongs in the places where I see it. #lrnchat
9:53:27 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @marciamarcia: I dont believe formal training has no place. I just dont think it sometimes belongs in the places where I see it. #lrnchat
9:53:31 pm cammybean: RT @xpconcept: Q3) Stop thinking isolated interventions. Think layers… #lrnchat
9:53:38 pm moehlert: @MariaOD @koreenolbrish I can hear it now “What’s the ROI on fate?” #lrnchat
9:53:49 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth Agree, but I try to say ‘stakeholders.’ ‘Users’ tends to mean “victims of latest software plague.” #lrnchat
9:54:02 pm dbolen: @JaneBozarth yeah communities of practice as an approach #lrnchat
9:54:11 pm sahana2802: RT @KoreenOlbrish: people are always going to learn informally…the question is how to provide opportunities #lrnchat
9:54:15 pm MariaOD: @gminks Yes! We provide the buffet…they pick! Love it! #lrnchat
9:54:27 pm Jeffhurt: Q3) Orgs must be open to changing scale. Learners may work in small groups on a specific topic or 1/2 #lrnchat
9:54:35 pm gminks: RT @KoreenOlbrish: people are always going to learn informally…the question is how to provide opportunities #lrnchat
9:54:51 pm JoanVinallCox: RT @cammybean: – @JaneBozarth Iread a book alone at night and learn from it, is that social? I don’t think so… #lrnchat Someone wrote it
9:54:55 pm andyhughes: @mglazer They are wanting an informal collaboration of knowledge and discussion about the subject presented to the learner. #lrnchat
9:54:57 pm Dave_Ferguson: Scuba, at least 75% psychomotor, not a good learning analogy for most ‘concept work’ situations. #lrnchat
9:55:06 pm tmiket: @dwilkinsnh Yikes! Shared acct info with the company? really? #lrnchat
9:55:04 pm Quinnovator: @marciamarcia agreed formal used badly, also you’re an effective self learner, not all are #lrnchat
9:55:12 pm ScottWyler: @KoreenOlbrish Provide opportunities, and ideally tied to all of the formal/mentoring/other stuff at the org #lrnchat
9:55:13 pm kellygarber: @spotlearning: sounds very interesting, I imagine you would have to be careful – I’m sure the “credit” helps. #lrnchat
9:55:19 pm MariaOD: RT @xpconcept: Q3) Learning is a campaign and it manifests best in thin flexible layers (IMO) (I like layers!) #lrnchat
9:55:24 pm marciamarcia: Learning is a campaign and it manifests best in thin flexible layers. RT @xpconcept #lrnchat
9:55:33 pm JaneBozarth: Dave said acoustic coupler! Drink! #lrnchat
9:55:34 pm LearnNuggets: @Dave_Ferguson Big crowd tonight. TweetChat is twoking #lrnchat
9:55:34 pm cindyhugg: RT @KoreenOlbrish: people are always going to learn informally…the question is how to provide opportunities #lrnchat <==very true!
9:55:42 pm joewehr: Maybe that’s why they learn so much RT @Dave_Ferguson: @JoanVinallCox Teaching & learning of infants is wildly inefficient #lrnchat
9:55:49 pm lrnchat: Qwrap) Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What can we help you with? #lrnchat
9:55:49 pm JaneBozarth: RT @KoreenOlbrish: people are always going to learn informally…the question is how to provide opportunities #lrnchat
9:56:10 pm Jeffhurt: So we’re back to horizontal, networked learning & viewing social learnning as interactive and without walls. #lrnchat
9:56:10 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: people are always going to learn informally…the question is how to provide opportunities #lrnchat
9:56:15 pm kasey428: Informal hard to quantify 4 clients. Creating informal learning environs & monitor for activity, but mandate to measure exists. #lrnchat
9:56:17 pm hjarche: @Dave_Ferguson big diff between formal individual training & informal OJ learning – formal gets you to 1st base – ask an RN etc. #lrnchat
9:56:22 pm pedepede2: Q3 – interested in people’s personal learning networks/strategies: what do you do? #lrnchat
9:56:22 pm jsuzcampos: RT @pedepede2 :Tell me more about this! Use social tool (WIKI) to establish themes. Identify gaps in knowledge. Then design. #lrnchat
9:56:25 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks No, but you can teach emps workarounds. #lrnchat
9:56:28 pm dwilkinsnh: Soc Learning also about connecting expertise & finding expertise so it’s also about nodes & networks, another area where we focus #lrnchat
9:56:42 pm mglazer: @jkmind would u say that oppty for social interaction should serve a purpose? say, personal aspirations matches with biz outcomes? #lrnchat
9:57:00 pm tmiket: @gminks Who’s to say what ppl are gaining from which social sites? #lrnchat
9:57:17 pm Jeffhurt: Q3) Orgs need to realize that learning today blurs lines of expertise & tears down barriers to admission. #lrnchat
9:57:17 pm dwilkinsnh: @tmiket Yeah, blew my mind too. She was effectively forced to do it… #lrnchat
9:57:35 pm Quinnovator: noticing tweet lag now, #lrnchat, maybe extend a bit to wrap up?
9:57:42 pm gminks: RT @roninchef: Q3 Bring in the social right at the start of the formal. Then show the ways that informal is available. #lrnchat
9:57:49 pm spkrinteractive: formal video learning can be integrated with informal Twitter Chat. http://twebevent.com does it for free. #lrnchat
9:57:55 pm marciamarcia: From from social “me”dia to social “we”b. RT @Jeffhurt #behindthefirewall #lrnchat
9:58:01 pm cammybean: @JoanVinallCox Ah…but of course! The author lives! #lrnchat
9:58:08 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth I think I may be a pirate….. #lrnchat
9:58:17 pm LearnNuggets: Whzzup? TweetChat not posting any of my tweets in last 10 min. #lrnchat
9:58:21 pm JoanVinallCox: Have to go – but a question – How does apprenticeship fir into social & informal? #lrnchat
9:58:28 pm Jeffhurt: @cindyhugg Yes, the emphasis should be on the learner, not the teacher. Give the learner options for their formal, informal lrng #lrnchat
9:58:29 pm tmiket: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @JaneBozarth Agree, but I try to say ‘stakeholders.’ ‘Users’ tends to mean “victims of latest software plague.” #lrnchat
9:58:42 pm sahana2802: RT @dwilkinsnh: Soc Lrng also abt connecting expertise & finding expertise so it’s also about nodes & networks… #lrnchat
9:58:40 pm spotlearning: @tmiket I think u’r right: informl mor possble…but we’re better designers than we used to be too…and learners expect better 2. #lrnchat
9:58:44 pm JaneBozarth: Ha! RT @marciamarcia: Even I dont believe formal training has no place. I just dont think it belongs in the places where I see it. #lrnchat
9:59:02 pm Dave_Ferguson: -@marciamarcia My view is that *I* often don’t belong in places where formal learning is. #lrnchat
9:59:04 pm Quinnovator: Mark said ROI, drink! #lrnchat
9:59:05 pm tmiket: Dang this hour and 1/2 goes WAY TOO FAST!!! Overtime? #lrnchat
9:59:07 pm busynessgirl: Ack! Missed almost all of the chat this week. Have been teaching and learning from 9-5 every day at #mccmath09. #lrnchat
9:59:16 pm joewehr: eg Ask the expert RT @Dave_Ferguson this chat is example of twitter support exchange/connection/serendipityCompliance, less so #lrnchat
9:59:19 pm MariaOD: The learnchat brain trust is out in full force tonight! I love it! #lrnchat
9:59:36 pm lrnchat: @Quinnovator yes, we’ll extend a bit to wrap up. Seems even the systems can sometimes be slow learners. #lrnchat
9:59:40 pm xpconcept: Have to throw this in… Also need awareness that not all probs are S/K. Especially folks in our grp. One trning cat for another… #lrnchat
9:59:48 pm Jeffhurt: @cindyhugg @KoreenOlbrish Yes, how can we be catalysts to encourage learning, social, informal and formal #lrnchat
10:00:11 pm stickylearning: RT yep, agree!! Q3) Design learning experiences that involve connectivity & interactivity #lrnchat (via @JeffHurt)
10:00:25 pm J_Schulz: @xpconcept ‘layers’ sounds a bit like the SATIR model, don’t you think @quinnovator? #lrnchat
10:00:26 pm altmilan: anyone got anything to contribute to this? http://bit.ly/uiy7h #lrnchat
10:00:30 pm cammybean: @JoanVinallCox But then isn’t every interaction social? Someone made the toilet pape or built the wall that I stare at in solitude.#lrnchat
10:00:31 pm busynessgirl: Q3 Crowdsource what needs to be done. At #mccmath09 we are splitting up all the tutorials that need to be made, … #lrnchat
10:00:33 pm JaneBozarth: RT @dwilkinsnh: Soc Learning also about connecting expertise & finding expertise so it’s also about nodes & networks #lrnchat
10:00:36 pm chrisstjohn: Lag getting baad. ‘Nite all #lrnchat
10:00:38 pm rpannoni: @JaneBozarth If you know what an acoustic coupler is you’re definitely old enough to drink! #lrnchat
10:00:48 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Kids, I am beat tonight. As usual, u are all awesome even though I sometimes disagree with you. Mark Oehlert from Washignton DC-out
10:00:53 pm gminks: @tmiket technically it may not fit. Locked down orgs won’t allow google docs, for exp. Has nothing to do with lrng #lrnchat
10:01:11 pm lrnchat: Thank you for joining us on #lrnchat. Pls remember to submit Qs & theme ideas for upcoming chats at http://sn.im/lrnchat. See u next week!
10:01:12 pm busynessgirl: Q3 … the presentations that should be given at conferences, the 5-minute viral videos that someone should take time to build … #lrnchat
10:01:14 pm xpconcept: Steve Flowers – USCG. Think about putting in an abstract or attending FREE HPT Workshop in Williamsburg, VA http://www.uscghpt.org #lrnchat
10:01:15 pm cindyhugg: RT @marciamarcia: From from social “me”dia to social “we”b. RT @Jeffhurt #behindthefirewall #lrnchat
10:01:22 pm hjarche: measure performance, not learning – who cares how you got there? #lrnchat
10:01:27 pm joewehr: Crowdsourcing learning is an example of social learning development -rapid, iterative & collaborative – ala wikiedia #lrnchat
10:01:29 pm gminks: did we break twitter #lrnchat
10:01:30 pm tmiket: Argh Matey! @JaneBozarth I think I may be a pirate….. #lrnchat
10:01:34 pm KoreenOlbrish: ok, @janebozarth which celeb did you let die? #lrnchat
10:01:39 pm Jeffhurt: @LearnNuggets It’s delayed. Was moving so fast at first, not it’s about four-ten minuts lag. #lrnchat
10:01:50 pm spotlearning: @rpannoni Yes, but credit is an interim measure of “doing something”…a peg in the ladder of progress perhaps. #lrnchat
10:01:56 pm rickmahn: RT @marciamarcia: From social “me”dia to social “we”b. RT @Jeffhurt #behindthefirewall #lrnchat
10:01:57 pm Dave_Ferguson: @JoanVinallCox Good Q: apprenticeship can be a hybrid — planned program (stages) plus freeform opps to deal w/reallife problems #lrnchat
10:02:02 pm kasey428: RT @marciamarcia: From from social “me”dia to social “we”b. RT @Jeffhurt #behindthefirewall #lrnchat #lrnchat http://twubs.com/lrnchat
10:02:14 pm JaneBozarth: @sahana2802 Hi, glad you made it! #lrnchat
10:02:14 pm kellygarber: Stage an informal vs formal smack down – see who performs best during a live demo of skills #lrnchat
10:02:22 pm Jeffhurt: Q3) Learning professionals must recognize that today people learn in new ways that are both collective and egalitarian. #lrnchat
10:02:29 pm rickmahn: @marciamarcia Is that putting the “we” in web then? #behindthefirewall #lrnchat
10:02:39 pm busynessgirl: Q3 As one person alone, I can’t make enough of a difference. As a crowd of 30, we can spread the workload and we all benefit. #lrnchat
10:02:39 pm mglazer: @andyhughes I know I’m pushing on this a bit -sorry- but why do you think that matters to them? to the learners? #lrnchat
10:02:41 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: -@marciamarcia My view is that *I* often don’t belong in places where formal learning is. #lrnchat
10:02:49 pm Dave_Ferguson: @xpconcept Somewhere in heaven, Tom Gilbert and Geary Rummler are smiling at you. #lrnchat
10:02:54 pm Quinnovator: need segue from formal to informal! RT @roninchef: Q3 Bring in social at start of formal.Then show ways that informal is available. #lrnchat
10:03:21 pm JaneBozarth: @Dave_Ferguson yeah but in my world ‘stakeholders’ are sometimes holding actual stakes #lrnchat
10:03:39 pm J_Schulz: Love it! Tho Calif cares when it’s compliance. RT @hjarche: measure performance, not learning – who cares how you got there? #lrnchat
10:03:40 pm LearnNuggets: Thx for allowing me to “informally socially” learn with ya’all. Kevin: Memphis, Design & Development, eLearning, & a doodle geek #lrnchat
10:03:44 pm MariaOD: Been a long week. Thanks for the burst of energy #lrnchat! Gonna hit the sack early for once. Good night everyone!
10:03:47 pm gminks: RT @JaneBozarth: RT @dwilkinsnh: Soc Lrnng also about connecting expertise & finding expertise so its also about nodes & networks #lrnchat
10:04:04 pm hjarche: @kellygarber if you’re an ID, then that’s a rather self-serving statement. Like saying priests are necessary to understand God #lrnchat
10:04:06 pm busynessgirl: My golden secret of learning: Sign up to present (in future) on a topic you WANT to learn about. You’ll learn it. #lrnchat
10:04:07 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks And many orgs, not just gov’t, are pretty locked. My prof svcs client, everybody w/BlackBerries — no social sites. #lrnchat
10:04:11 pm tmiket: @gminks Google docs has nothing to do with learning? I’d question that too. #lrnchat
10:04:22 pm gargamit100: RT @hjarche: measure performance, not learning – who cares how you got there? #lrnchat
10:04:23 pm gminks: off topic – who is else is going to participate in CCK09?? #lrnchat
10:04:24 pm kasey428: RT @altmilan: anyone got anything to contribute to this? http://bit.ly/uiy7h #lrnchat
10:04:27 pm cindyhugg: @jeffhurt what gets rewarded gets done, so need to find ‘baked in’ oppty’s tied to performance that encourage learning #lrnchat
10:04:34 pm Quinnovator: @JoanVinallCox apprenticeship IS social, and SoMe has great opp, e.g. virtual mentorship! #lrnchat
10:04:40 pm marciamarcia: Crowdsourcing learning is an example of social learning development: rapid, iterative & collaborative – ala wikiedia (RT @joewehr) #lrnchat
10:04:24 pm kasey428: RT @altmilan: anyone got anything to contribute to this? http://bit.ly/uiy7h #lrnchat
10:04:27 pm cindyhugg: @jeffhurt what gets rewarded gets done, so need to find ‘baked in’ oppty’s tied to performance that encourage learning #lrnchat
10:04:34 pm Quinnovator: @JoanVinallCox apprenticeship IS social, and SoMe has great opp, e.g. virtual mentorship! #lrnchat
10:04:40 pm marciamarcia: Crowdsourcing learning is an example of social learning development: rapid, iterative & collaborative – ala wikiedia (RT @joewehr) #lrnchat
10:04:42 pm Jeffhurt: Wow, what an amazing chat tongith. Thanks all for expanding my thoughts on social, formal & informal learning. Wealth of info here! #lrnchat
10:04:53 pm roninchef: @gminks All the Les Paul fans are gumming up the works. #lrnchat
10:05:02 pm spotlearning: Q3) One of our key goals for social learning outcomes is getting learners to “engage, interact, and introspect.” – bcomes social #lrnchat
10:05:06 pm tmiket: Another great session. Mike Taylor Columbus, OH Perpetual learner #lrnchat
10:05:13 pm stickylearning: Late to join #lrnchat. But have read all the tweets and has got me thinking. Hope not to miss next week.
10:05:57 pm Quinnovator: @J_Schulz @xpconcept yes, layers has some map to Satir, and other great implications #lrnchat
10:06:15 pm jwillensky: Huge lag, and double-tweets. Jason Willensky — good night from rainy AZ! #lrnchat
10:06:18 pm marciamarcia: Stage an informal vs formal smack down – see who performs best during a live demo of skills. RT @kellygarber Hmm. WWEL? #lrnchat
10:06:28 pm xpconcept: @Dave_Ferguson😛 Tom Gilbert is my hero. It’s sort of sick:) #lrnchat
10:06:38 pm joewehr: Thx everyone Fun & enlightening See you all next week #lrnchat Pls DM me any insight/experience on Virtual Team training Thx
10:06:40 pm kellygarber: @hjarche true …I have no defense, of course I believe my profession to be of value …you? #lrnchat
10:06:42 pm kasey428: We broke the twitter…you guys are terrific as usual…g’night. #lrnchat
10:06:43 pm cindyhugg: thanks for a fun & informative #lrnchat. enjoyed it! ~ Cindy in Raleigh NC
10:06:43 pm Jeffhurt: Thanks @marciamarcia @lrnchat @moehlert for moderating. Thanks @LearnNuggets for artwork. Happy early w/e to all #lrnchat
10:07:04 pm andyhughes: @busynessgirl Very true!🙂 30 lenses filtering the same subject.🙂 #lrnchat http://twubs.com/lrnchat
10:07:13 pm JaneBozarth: @busynessgirl umm.. http://bit.ly/DeKOc #lrnchat
10:07:18 pm kellygarber: virtual freelance ISD, formalizing informal social learning …out for the evening, great chat – thanks! #lrnchat
10:07:34 pm LearnNuggets: @Lansingboy Ha! Attended #lrnchat session tonight. Apologies for flooding the airwaves🙂
10:07:42 pm Quinnovator: thanks all for a great #lrnchat (as always)!
10:07:53 pm spotlearning: Sounds like a Thiagi method — RT @roninchef: Q3 Bring in social at start of formal.Then show ways that informal is available. #lrnchat
10:07:58 pm dbolen: till next time, Don in ATL #lrnchat
10:08:12 pm J_Schulz: Great conversation all! #lrnchat
10:08:52 pm JaneBozarth: Jane Bozarth, Raleigh, anti-social learner, author, trainer/designer, really fast typist. #lrnchat
10:09:12 pm gminks: @kasey428 goodnight kay!!!! #lrnchat
10:09:39 pm JaneBozarth: ‘night everyone! #lrnchat
10:09:44 pm KoreenOlbrish: alright all, back to vacation😉 see you next week! #lrnchat
10:09:50 pm marciamarcia: One of our key goals 4 social learning outcomes is get learners to “engage, interact & introspect” become social RT @spotlearning #lrnchat
10:09:58 pm spotlearning: Good night all…great conversation. Joe Fournier – currently of Kentucky; originally from Narnia. #lrnchat
10:10:06 pm sahana2802: Thanks to all for an informative session. Totally worth getting up at 6.00 am. #lrnchat
10:10:09 pm JaneBozarth: @spotlearning said Thiagi. You know what that means… #lrnchat
10:10:10 pm altmilan: @hjarche #lrnchat then why talk about formal, informal, social, etc. learning?
10:10:39 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, SF Bay Area, learning design gun-for-hire (deep: games, mobile, social/informal, etc), #Lrnchat troublemaker
10:10:45 pm gminks: good night everyone! One more non-homework lrnchat before the fall semester starts. #lrnchat
10:10:48 pm kasey428: @gminks take it easy, talk at ya later #lrnchat

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