Transcript of #lrnchat for July 16 2009

8:27:28 pm hamtra: RT @lrnchat: Join us 4 #lrnchat 2nite, starting in moments Theme: Instructional Design. Invite ur friends! http://sn.im/lrnin
8:28:25 pm mrch0mp3rs: Preemptive #lrnchat missive. ID is dead. Negate?
8:29:21 pm ThomasStone: For my Twitter followers who are not in the L&D field, apologies for next 90 minutes of tweets that are part of #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:29:35 pm ChristyATucker: RT @lrnchat: Join us 4 #lrnchat 2nite, starting in 30 minutes. Theme: Instructional Design. Invite ur friends! http://sn.im/lrnin
8:29:45 pm KoreenOlbrish: Don’t think I’m gonna tweet & drive for #lrnchat today. Still processing #adlvw…will miss the ID fun tonight!
8:29:59 pm smartinx: This ought to be fun. For any followers not in the learning field, about to flood the Tweetstream with #lrnchat tweets #lrnchat
8:30:01 pm Quinnovator: @mrch0mp3rs now now, let’s get Q0 out of the way 1st…😉 #lrnchat
8:30:07 pm lrnchat: Tonight’s theme is ID: what’s wrong, right, and implications for new world of informal, mobile, virtual learning? #lrnchat
8:31:07 pm Quinnovator: RT @smartinx: For any followers not in the learning field, about to flood the Tweetstream with #lrnchat tweets
8:31:17 pm KoreenOlbrish: @mrch0mp3rs agree. Next?😉 #lrnchat
8:31:31 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How’ve you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
8:31:38 pm mrch0mp3rs: @Quinnovator sorry. It’s a hold over from last week. #lrnchat
8:31:53 pm bschlenker: For next 90min Iâtrade;ll be chatting bout learning on #lrnchat with some brilliant peeps. Join us!
8:33:01 pm lrnchat: #lrnchat rules: 1) Introduce yourself. (Weâtrade;ll do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:33:01 pm mrch0mp3rs: @KoreenOlbrish next? Instructional Zombies.😛 #lrnchat
8:33:18 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
8:33:38 pm MarkMorganMA: Mark Morgan in sunny Massachussets #lrnchat
8:33:45 pm lrnchat: 3) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
8:34:01 pm KoreenOlbrish: Ok, 1 more: ADDIE, affordances, ROI… Drink drink drink! #lrnchat
8:34:13 pm ThomasStone: Intro: Thomas Stone, from Rochester NY. Product Design Architect at Element K. I was an ID for 7 years or so. #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:34:47 pm smartinx: Stephen Martin, Vienna, VA…Director of Learning Tech for a commercial training firm rooted in ILT but trying #lrnchat
8:35:10 pm hjarche: Harold Jarche (Sackville, NB, Canada): now entering the https://lrnchat.wordpress.com/ zone – please join in if interested #lrnchat
8:35:17 pm gminks: hahahaha RT @mrch0mp3rs: @KoreenOlbrish next? Instructional Zombies.😛 #lrnchat
8:35:20 pm rpannoni: Rob Pannoni, enterprise learning, talent and technology consultant (www.razorlearning.com), SF bay area. #lrnchat
8:35:34 pm ChristyATucker: Intro: Christy Tucker, instructional designer developing online grad courses near Raleigh, NC #lrnchat
8:35:46 pm lrnchat: 4) 5min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
8:36:21 pm dbolen: Don Bolen, learning designer/project manager ATL #lrnchat
8:36:24 pm Quinnovator: #lrnchat Clark Quinn, learntech consultant extraordinaire, Walnut Creek CA, passionate about how learning can be accelerated thru tech!
8:36:29 pm lrnchat: 5) When writing in, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
8:36:30 pm hamtra: Intro: Tracy Hamilton, from Newmarket, Ontario. Big project currently, implementing an LMS (creating it as we go too…whooo) #lrnchat
8:36:53 pm lrnchat: 6) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about and can chime in.
8:37:09 pm MarkMorganMA: Mark Morgan Training manager for a cement manufacturer #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:37:11 pm mrch0mp3rs: Aaron Silvers, Chicago, Techie, focus on social and collaborative action to develop people & orgs #lrnchat
8:37:12 pm Quinnovator: @mrch0mp3rs np, we’ll be going there this week #lrnchat
8:37:31 pm oxala75: craig wiggins (alexandria, va). e-learning jockey. #lrnchat
8:37:37 pm roninchef: Intro: Mason Masteka, Elearning Developer in Portland, ME. Hi everyone. This week I am editing video for out All Hands next week. #lrnchat
8:37:46 pm grantricketts: grant ricketts, enterprise learning governance, SF bay area, (www.razorlearning.com) #lrnchat
8:38:01 pm lrnchat: 7) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://twubs.com/lrnchat works great! Also, http://tweetchat.com & http://tweetgrid.com
8:38:16 pm spotlearning: #Lrnchat Intro: Joe Fournier. Learning junkie; long-time pro; hands-on Hd of e-L for div. of Fortune 100…passion – Interaction #lrnchat
8:38:36 pm ScottWyler: Scott Wyler, f2f facilitation & training, large-scale simulations, expanding my world with #lrnchat
8:38:46 pm spotlearning: Lexington, KY…and virtually everywhere. #lrnchat
8:39:00 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome, now also d @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:39:10 pm Quinnovator: ID = freud’s category, right? Or Iterative decadence? Or…? #lrnchat
8:39:19 pm JaneBozarth: 1/2 #lrnchat Gubmint worker, positive deviant. Author of books incl one on ID
8:39:30 pm marciamarcia: Always delighted to spend my Thu evening with those passionate abt learning on #lrnchat. 2nite’s theme not my fave so mostly lurking.
8:40:11 pm Quinnovator: Q0: what I learned this week is that reaching out to people is rewarding and not as difficult as I feared #lrnchat
8:40:37 pm spotlearning: Applied @Quinnovator’s advice from last week: “Drink from the stream” — works for all incoming comm. Thanks Clark! #lrnchat
8:40:43 pm ScottWyler: learned there’s always another chance to improve #lrnchat
8:40:44 pm JaneBozarth: 2/2 #lrnchat Assuming all read my ID book today in prep for tonight. Might be a quiz.😉
8:40:45 pm allisunelearns: Allisun O’Connell from Humboldt, CA, currently n Manhattan….OTL grad studnt & Moodleista, love to soak up evrything eLearning : ) #lrnchat
8:40:50 pm shawn1015: Shawn Sullivan (Fairfax, VA) instructional designer, former IT guru. #lrnchat
8:40:54 pm gminks: today I was learning how to configure Infra http://www.infra-corp.com/ #lrnchat
8:40:58 pm MarkMorganMA: I learned how we are going to structure our root cause failure learning program #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:41:07 pm bschlenker: Brent Schlenker, Arizona – DevLearn Program Director and Emerging Technologies Analyst – Games, Sims, New Media – @moehlert ‘s bro #lrnchat
8:41:11 pm smartinx: Q0: I learned that being a leader doesn’t mean you always have an answer and that saying “I don’t know” is OK. #lrnchat
8:41:11 pm hamtra: I learned you can never be reminded to many times the magical power of AUTOSAVE. Wish I had been reminded today. #lrnchat
8:41:30 pm ChristyATucker: What I learned today: if the goals are fuzzy, go with rapid prototyping. Less to redo when they change their minds. #lrnchat
8:41:32 pm oxala75: Q0: learned that my co-workers harbor both strong objectivist and constructivist convictions. #lrnchat
8:42:08 pm Quinnovator: @spotlearning always glad to help! #lrnchat
8:42:20 pm lrnchat: Wonderful to see so many 1st timers here tonight. Welcome to all of you — and the regulars, too. #lrnchat
8:42:21 pm smartinx: @oxala75 Does that make them constructive objectivists? #lrnchat
8:42:43 pm dbolen: Q0 learned that recovery panel in XP works revived dead laptop #lrnchat
8:43:05 pm Quinnovator: Yay! RT @smartinx: Q0: I learned that being a leader doesn’t mean you always have an answer and that saying “I don’t know” is OK. #lrnchat
8:43:06 pm oxala75: @smartinx it means that the universe will implode if they touch. #lrnchat
8:43:13 pm JaneBozarth: Releatned abt slices & hotspots #lrnchat
8:43:21 pm spotlearning: @ChristyATucker – AMEN! on fuzzy prototypes. #lrnchat
8:43:25 pm roninchef: I learned to love my DIY soundbox and Adobe Soundbooth this week. Oh how I dreamed of even levels being recorded in a meeting room. #lrnchat
8:43:32 pm JaneBozarth: I learned you can never be reminded to many times the magical power of AUTOSAVE. Wish I had been reminded today. #lrnchat (via @hamtra)
8:43:38 pm Quinnovator: RT @ChristyATucker: learned today: if the goals are fuzzy, go with rapid prototyping. Less to redo when they change their minds. #lrnchat
8:44:08 pm MariaOD: Q0: This week I learned the oddest thing -Hero invented the first vending machine which dispensed holy water! #lrnchat
8:44:11 pm magdaZINE: RT @ChristyATucker: What I learned 2day: if the goals are fuzzy, use rapid prototyping. Less to redo when they change their minds #lrnchat
8:44:19 pm hamtra: @JaneBozarth what is a slice??? I’m assuming you’re not talking pizza. #lrnchat
8:44:19 pm AlienWeedMan: #lrnchat Q0: I learned not to believe when my alien dealer called it “Kine bud”
8:44:47 pm JaneBozarth: if the goals are fuzzy, go with rapid prototyping. Less to redo when they change their minds. #lrnchat (via @ChristyATucker)
8:45:01 pm roninchef: Working by building up layers. Something I had forgotten and relearned this week. #lrnchat
8:45:26 pm hjarche: I learned today that there way too many Web 2.0 apps & I’ll never be able to try them all, let alone the ones of interest #lrnchat
8:45:46 pm ThomasStone: This week I learned that currants are now available in NY grocery stories, since gov. lifted the 90+ year ban. #lrnchat
8:45:56 pm marciamarcia: I learned this wk an open field can be full of holes: literally & figuratively. Stepped in, then toppled over. Sometimes look down. #lrnchat
8:45:58 pm lrnchat: Q1) What’s wrong with ID (instructional design)? #lrnchat
8:46:04 pm bschlenker: Q0: This week I learned about sensitive egos…they are not to be trifled with lightly. AND old hair-band rock still ROCKS! #lrnchat
8:46:14 pm dpontefract: Q0 – getting the CIO on board is a pathway to panacea in terms of a formal-informal-social learning paradigm #lrnchat
8:46:25 pm magdaZINE: I learned that creating a rough video with my FlipVideo of SME explaining info using was very helpful #lrnchat
8:47:02 pm smartinx: Q1: Going straight for the jugular? Trad ID is too rooted in assembly line mentality of training, not learning. #lrnchat
8:47:04 pm hamtra: @bschlenker ROCK ON BRENT!!! #lrnchat
8:47:11 pm rpannoni: @marciamarcia “Sometimes look down” sounds like a good philosophy of life to me. #lrnchat
8:47:17 pm Quinnovator: wait for early adopters to prove! RT @hjarche: learned today that there way too many Web 2.0 apps & never be able to try them all #lrnchat
8:47:18 pm shawn1015: @oxala75 i object to that remark. #lrnchat
8:47:19 pm oxala75: Q1: almost never enough clout to make analysis shine. #lrnchat
8:47:31 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What’s wrong with ID (instructional design)? #lrnchat
8:47:41 pm coachkiki: @ThomasStone I just learned that there was a 90 year old ban on currants in NY! #lrnchat
8:47:52 pm hjarche: Q1. ID is OK but ADDIE etc must change, we need equiv of Agile Manifesto http://is.gd/1BvrT #lrnchat
8:47:53 pm bschlenker: Q0.1 LAST week I learned that trying to do #lrnchat at the HopLeaf is very difficult…some might say rude. but learned about Death’s Door
8:47:54 pm spotlearning: Biggest prob with IDD is application of process without emphasis on outcomes…leads to blather…boring blather at that. #lrnchat
8:48:05 pm Quinnovator: RT @dpontefract: Q0 – getting the CIO on board is a pathway to panacea in terms of a formal-informal-social learning paradigm #lrnchat
8:48:44 pm oxala75: @shawn1015 of course you do🙂 everyone, my boss followed me onto #lrnchat ..!
8:49:03 pm ChristyATucker: Q1: Agree with @hjarche; ID is OK, ADDIE is too linear & inflexible #lrnchat
8:49:17 pm dbolen: RT @spotlearning: Biggest prob with IDD is application of process w/o emphasis on outcomes leads to blather boring blather at that. #lrnchat
8:49:27 pm Quinnovator: Q1: ID too process focused, not outcome focused; not kept up to date w/ lrng theories; AND designers not knowledgeable enough! #lrnchat
8:49:47 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 trad ID is too linear, to easy to stall #lrnchat
8:50:07 pm spotlearning: Prob 2 with IDD: when emphasis is on content and not application/interaction, learning does NOT occur. #lrnchat
8:50:12 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 Have seen people get so bogged down in need assess they never actually got anything done #lrnchat
8:50:12 pm Mary_a_Myers: @smartinx whole heartedly agree. #lrnchat
8:50:20 pm Quinnovator: @spotlearning agree, doesn’t take broader need context into consideration enough #lrnchat
8:50:26 pm smartinx: Q1: ADDIE suffers same problems software developers found with the waterfall model of development…hard to go back in the process #lrnchat
8:50:36 pm ScottWyler: Q1: too much “D”, not enough “I” #lrnchat
8:50:38 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 also ‘design’ phase is seductive, not enough on iterative evaluation #lrnchat
8:50:39 pm marciamarcia: RT @shawn1015 Learned that a “get it done” person can lay waste to a project. #lrnchat <w/out doers, tho, we're toast
8:50:53 pm coachkiki: Hi, late to the party – but couldn't miss it altogether – saw some gr8 posts going by. Life-long learner.Program Developer/Trainer. #lrnchat
8:51:04 pm smartinx: @JaneBozarth Seen the opposite–jumping straight to design, ignoring any attempt to assess… #lrnchat
8:51:07 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth totally agree. #lrnchat
8:51:11 pm tjmeister: long time lurker, first time participant arriving late -Trevor Meister Edmonton, Canada Freelance -Opensim 4 education #lrnchat
8:51:35 pm Quinnovator: Q1: see way too much 'cookie cutter' ID, fill in the elements w/o knowing what really makes them work, #lrnchat 1/2
8:51:39 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth that would be an interesting lack of development. #lrnchat
8:51:44 pm coachkiki: @Quinnovator Absolutely agree. #lrnchat
8:52:05 pm smartinx: @Quinnovator Or simply going through the motions to check off a box on a process chart. #lrnchat
8:52:05 pm hjarche: From Agile Manifesto http://is.gd/1BvrT "Individuals and interactions over processes & tools" #lrnchat
8:52:14 pm Quinnovator: Q1: when really comprehend, THEN can take shortcuts, get creative, but not enough care/time/knowledge #lrnchat 2/2
8:52:32 pm hjarche: From Agile Manifesto http://is.gd/1BvrT "Responding to change over following a plan" #lrnchat
8:52:45 pm JaneBozarth: @smartinx And yes, that too… #lrnchat
8:52:55 pm Quinnovator: yes, under designed, overproduced: RT @ScottWyler: Q1: too much "D", not enough "I" #lrnchat
8:53:08 pm Mary_a_Myers: Just joined the conversation…work in ID day in and day out. sick of cookie cutter mentality. #lrnchat
8:53:08 pm coachkiki: @Quinnovator That takes time and many are rushing because of bottom-line issues. #lrnchat
8:53:10 pm oxala75: @hjarche that's scary stuff. i want some. #lrnchat
8:53:15 pm hamtra: RT @MariaOD: Q1: ID does not accommondate informal and social learning…process driven..not agile..time consuming #lrnchat
8:53:16 pm tonykarrer: Great group in #lrnchat today
8:53:32 pm musingvirtual: first timer arriving late, Atlanta, GA. Accessible Ed & Info Lab, Center for Assistive Tech & Env Access #lrnchat http://twubs.com/lrnchat
8:53:40 pm smartinx: @Quinnovator And the "E" just goes out the window (unless you count smile sheets) #lrnchat
8:53:48 pm shawn1015: @marciamarcia agreed. you need doers, in this particular case if you're having to follow…you're just picking up the pieces. #lrnchat
8:53:55 pm musingvirtual: RT @hjarche: From Agile Manifesto http://is.gd/1BvrT "Individuals and interactions over processes & tools #lrnchat http://twubs.com/lrnchat
8:53:57 pm Quinnovator: @smartinx yep, tick the box, move on (what, they're nuances here, details?) #lrnchat
8:54:14 pm gminks: q1: Instructional design is too expensive to do correctly – that's why it is cookie cutter. We treat it like a widget #lrnchat
8:54:15 pm richardsheehy: q1) even if there is evaluation, it ends there. no iteration on lessons learned. #lrnchat
8:54:33 pm coachkiki: @tonykarrer What a nice thing to say – I'm zipping through reading and writing and you're engaging. Good way to go. #lrnchat
8:54:41 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 also not often designing 'instruction' , but 'resentation'. Sigh. #lrnchat
8:54:48 pm rpannoni: Q1 ID is not a problem. Good design is a plus in any field. The prob is bad ID, slow ID, fixation on one strategy, etc. #lrnchat
8:55:04 pm spotlearning: On tough IDD problems, planning saves TONs of time and mistakes. on easy ones, Innovation is the key, IMHO…keep it engaging. #lrnchat
8:55:09 pm Quinnovator: @coachkiki agreed, takes time, but investing up front in capability pays off, *and* doing it fast and wrong is waste of time/$$ #lrnchat
8:55:31 pm smartinx: @gminks But is that ID or the ADDIE model applied to ID? Does ID = ADDIE ?(which I keep typing as "ASSIE") #lrnchat
8:55:35 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 and all evaluation is by autopsy — after the fact — summative, not formative #lrnchat
8:55:35 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator Know the rules, then you get to break the rules. That is the carrot in front of all types of designers. #lrnchat
8:55:36 pm MariaOD: Q1:Content is still king…but sometimes we fall into the content trap and forget about the activities. #lrnchat
8:55:39 pm MarkMorganMA: @rpannoni I agree, it's how you use it. #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:55:54 pm ChristyATucker: Q1: Instructional design is too often just about the quickest way to do an information dump: no interaction, context, reflection #lrnchat
8:56:01 pm coachkiki: q1) Takes time to absorb the info in a usable way and diff ppl/units have diff ways of doing that and incorporating it. #lrnchat
8:56:17 pm Quinnovator: RT @rpannoni: Q1 ID is not problem. Good design is a plus in any field. Prob is bad ID, slow ID, fixation on one strategy, etc. #lrnchat
8:56:20 pm ChristyATucker: RT @JaneBozarth: Q1 and all evaluation is by autopsy — after the fact — summative, not formative #lrnchat
8:56:21 pm coachkiki: @Quinnovator Totally agree with you on that one too. #lrnchat
8:56:21 pm ThomasStone: One way to avoid cookie-cutter ID: use thought-out XML schema to give IDs a "track to run on", but not buckets to fill in #lrnchat
8:56:32 pm media1der: Latest: sorry – late – IMHO ADDIE is simply a dev. methodology, not an ID process, per se #lrnchat
8:56:33 pm gminks: RT @ChristyATucker: Q1: ID is too often just about the quickest way to do an information dump: no interaction, context, reflection #lrnchat
8:56:40 pm MarkMorganMA: Results are king #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:56:43 pm oxala75: @Quinnovator ugh, so true. seeing lots of examples of 'move fast, clean up later' #lrnchat
8:56:45 pm JaneBozarth: RT @gminks But is that ID or the ADDIE model applied to ID? Does ID = ADDIE ?(which I keep typing as "ASSIE") #lrnchat
8:56:46 pm hjarche: Another prob with ID: How do you design for emergent practices, for which no best practices exist? #lrnchat
8:56:46 pm marciamarcia: Know the rules, then you get to break the rules. That is the carrot in front of all types of designers. RT @roninchef #lrnchat
8:56:55 pm dbolen: Q1 many times order takers solve the problem with "training" #lrnchat
8:57:08 pm JaneBozarth: And PS @gminks how very Freudian😉 #lrnchat
8:57:16 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth lol ASSIE #lrnchat
8:57:28 pm Mary_a_Myers: ID needs a shakeup and we r just the group to do it! fixation on strategy is a frequent situation i c. unfortunate. #lrnchat @quinnovator
8:57:30 pm Quinnovator: @spotlearning knowing how engagement & learning synergize needs to be known, or it just gets tarted up (think: pig/lipstick) #lrnchat
8:57:53 pm Quinnovator: RT @roninchef: Know the rules, then you get to break the rules. That is the carrot in front of all types of designers. #lrnchat
8:58:05 pm media1der: There is a saying: there comes a time when you have to shoot the engineer and release the project. Same true for many ISDs! #lrnchat
8:58:06 pm JaneBozarth: @dbolen blogged about being order taker/training not solving problem just today http://bozarthzone.blogspot.com #lrnchat
8:58:19 pm dpontefract: Q1: ADDIE = Kirkpatrick … and that kind of thinking just has to change. We need ADDIE & Kirkpatrick/Metric 2.0 thinking, c'mon!! #lrnchat
8:58:41 pm roninchef: @oxala75 My team walks that line. We try to draw off of every experience to push through the log jams. #lrnchat
8:58:50 pm Mary_a_Myers: @hjarche hello! and good question. emergent best practices….if the learner is the focus i don't think you can go wrong. #lrnchat
8:59:01 pm tjmeister: Is it becoming more possible to facilitate "free range" type learning that is not so "designed" ie networks,socmedia #lrnchat
8:59:04 pm gminks: I think ADDIE is only bad if it is a checklist. Its a framework, not a design blueprint #lrnchat
8:59:17 pm spotlearning: @Quinnovator Agreed. Understanding the learning process and the real goals is key to creating meaningful engagement. No pink pigs. #lrnchat
8:59:47 pm hjarche: if software dev doesn't need waterfall method anymore, we don't need ADDIE; it's a digital/networked world #lrnchat
8:59:53 pm rpannoni: By definition, ID is not for informal learning. We need a different methodology and framework for that. #lrnchat
8:59:58 pm tonykarrer: ADDIE enourages focus on learning obj – not biz, perf and talent #lrnchat
8:59:59 pm Quinnovator: @media1der prob: end development cycle when run out of time/money, instead of when metrics reached #lrnchat 1/2
9:00:05 pm coachkiki: RT @Mary_a_Myers: @hjarche hello! good question. emergent best practices.If the learner is the focus i dont think you can go wrong. #lrnchat
9:00:17 pm Quinnovator: @media1der better: set metrics, adjust if running out of time/money 2/2 #lrnchat
9:00:19 pm JaneBozarth: @dpontefract Sorry, not a proponent of Kirkpatrick. Just a taxonomy (not theory or even model) and lots of flaws #lrnchat
9:00:27 pm MarkMorganMA: RT @spotlearning: Agreed. Understanding the learning process and the real goals is key to creating meaningful engagement. #lrnchat
9:00:28 pm oxala75: @roninchef i think we're figuring out how best to roll experience forward as a weapon, but we're starting with a lot of history #lrnchat
9:00:34 pm musingvirtual: #gamedesign and #lrnchat are hopping tonight for those of you looking to acquire new information🙂
9:00:44 pm smartinx: @hjarche Exactly! Waterfall has given way to better models! ADDIE needs to do the same…but what steps in? #lrnchat
9:00:56 pm spotlearning: RT @tjmeister Is it becoming more possible to facilitate "free range" type learning that is not so "designed" ie networks,socmedia #lrnchat
9:00:59 pm JaneBozarth: RT @gminks I think ADDIE is only bad if it is a checklist. Its a framework, not a design blueprint #lrnchat
9:01:19 pm coachkiki: Have phone coaching session in 2 minutes. Sorry to leave – will catch up w/transcript. Gr8 stuff. Have a great weekend all. #lrnchat
9:01:23 pm Quinnovator: Q3 topic: RT @tjmeister: becoming possible to facilitate "free range" type learning that is not so "designed" ie networks,socmedia #lrnchat
9:01:31 pm hjarche: @Mary_a_Myers hi! also – we focus on content & not learners because it's easier for both schools & workplace training #lrnchat
9:01:34 pm media1der: @ChristyATucker Love the autopsy analogy … along those lines, when can we get rid of GAP ANALYSIS and focus on future goals? #lrnchat
9:01:45 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche agile ID? #lrnchat
9:01:48 pm gminks: @tonykarrer but shouldn't learning objectives be tied to the biz in the first place? #lrnchat
9:01:49 pm lrnchat: Just joining us and not sure what's the question? You can always check @lrnchat #lrnchat
9:02:01 pm lrnchat: thanks for joining us @coachkiki — until next time…#lrnchat
9:02:04 pm hjarche: @smartinx that's why we need an Agile ID Manifesto (for starters) #lrnchat
9:02:09 pm Quinnovator: So, say, HPT better? RT @tonykarrer: ADDIE enourages focus on learning obj – not biz, perf and talent #lrnchat
9:02:14 pm spotlearning: @tjmeister I think this is the question of the hour…because the challenge is enabling the masses to do this well… #lrnchat
9:02:22 pm smartinx: @Quinnovator As long as it doesn't mean I can only develop tethered to another instructional designer! *G* #lrnchat
9:02:25 pm viewinside: Preview book "Working Minds" by Beth Crandall, Gary Klein, Robert Hoffman from MIT Press http://bit.ly/ayuuO #books #CTA #cognition #lrnchat
9:02:28 pm ChristyATucker: @gminks Does ADDIE as a framework, not blueprint, give you enough flexibility? And iterative evaluation? Not convinced. #lrnchat
9:02:33 pm richardsheehy: ID used to create training that fills in a checkbox #lrnchat
9:02:36 pm spotlearning: @tjmeister …because they are creating the bulk of the learning: good or bad. #lrnchat
9:02:40 pm roninchef: @oxala75 We decided as a team to put the baggage aside and use our org specific experience as, as you say, a weapon. #lrnchat
9:02:55 pm tjmeister: Okay, didn't mean to jump ahead… #lrnchat
9:02:56 pm dpontefract: @gminks they should, but often, 'training is an event' culture prevents the connection to actual biz objectives (sad, but true) #lrnchat
9:03:00 pm mnjorgensen: Know the rules, then you get to break the rules. That is the carrot in front of all types of designers. #lrnchat (via @roninchef)
9:03:06 pm roninchef: RT @gminks: I think ADDIE is only bad if it is a checklist. Its a framework, not a design blueprint #lrnchat
9:03:14 pm marciamarcia: From http://sn.im/Agile-Manifesto "Individuals and interactions over processes & tools" RT @hjarche #lrnchat
9:03:17 pm rpannoni: With enough scaffolding for effective learning techniques, I've seen SME-created content work. #lrnchat
9:03:20 pm JaneBozarth: @christyatucker or at least honest conversation re what's wrong. #lrnchat
9:03:25 pm gminks: @ChristyATucker I think ADDIE is a good starting point. But it has to be adjusted to the environment #lrnchat
9:03:25 pm Spydeesense: Helllo! Late to the game – Marcus Hswe, Tandemite, has a band Learnaolhica (note to followers – chatting about learning now) #lrnchat
9:03:31 pm hjarche: @Quinnovator HPT misses out on practices from OD and KM – need to integrate all #lrnchat
9:03:53 pm kirrisdad: #lrnchat I learned that I can do an MA in E-learning at Middx University in just 1 year. Cool.
9:03:58 pm Quinnovator: @smartinx elitist scum!😉 #lrnchat
9:04:04 pm MarkMorganMA: RT @hjarche: @Quinnovator HPT misses out on practices from OD and KM – need to integrate all #lrnchat
9:04:06 pm gminks: @dpontefract our culture is 100% opposite on that point at least…our objectives MUST be tied to the biz #lrnchat
9:04:28 pm smartinx: @Quinnovator Nah, I just don't play well with others. #lrnchat
9:04:29 pm lrnchat: @tjmeister No worries. We're all jumping ahead and sideways constantly. It's the nature of being very curious learners. #lrnchat
9:04:38 pm Quinnovator: @tjmeister no prob; shows you're thinking! #lrnchat
9:05:29 pm ChristyATucker: @gminks Are we better off starting with ADDIE or starting with something more like a spiral? #lrnchat
9:05:30 pm Quinnovator: depending on audience? RT @rpannoni: With enough scaffolding for effective learning techniques, I've seen SME-created content work. #lrnchat
9:05:45 pm oxala75: @rpannoni working on that, too🙂 #lrnchat
9:05:54 pm ThomasStone: Leaving ADDIE complaints aside for now, ADDIE is to enabling formal learning as ??? is to enabling informal learning? #lrnchat
9:06:01 pm jmarrapodi: Hi y'all. Just getting here. #lrnchat
9:06:02 pm Spydeesense: 2 cents & grain of salt is that I'm not an ID but ADDIE rarely makes a cameo in client engagements on either side #lrnchat
9:06:14 pm gminks: @ChristyATucker How is ADDIE not spiral? Maybe I am just learning it differently than everyone else?🙂 #lrnchat
9:06:32 pm Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: @Quinnovator HPT misses out on practices from OD and KM – need to integrate all #lrnchat
9:06:37 pm spotlearning: @ChristyATucker @gminks maybe SPRADDIE? #lrnchat
9:06:47 pm smartinx: Q1: I think there is value in designing instruction, just not sure our current methods of instructional design are up to the task #lrnchat
9:06:50 pm media1der: @dpontefract Yes – "training is an event" is all wrong. A learner is like a flowing river that is being fed by multiple sources #lrnchat
9:06:54 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Spydeesense: 2 cents & grain of salt is that I'm not an ID but ADDIE rarely makes a cameo in client engagements on either side #lrnchat
9:07:04 pm Mary_a_Myers: @gminks it helps if LOs align with biz objectives somewhere along the way…for sure. #lrnchat
9:07:08 pm spotlearning: ChristyATucker @gminks isn't ADDIE spiral if doe right? #lrnchat
9:07:14 pm ChristyATucker: @gminks Are you doing ADDIE with the E in the middle, rather than a line/waterfall? #lrnchat
9:07:23 pm gminks: I should prob. remind everyone I am a grad student in the Instructional Systems program @ FSU, where ADDIE originated🙂 #lrnchat
9:07:30 pm smartinx: @gminks ADDIE has to be modified to be spiraled…traditional ADDIE is linear #lrnchat
9:07:30 pm roninchef: @gminks Like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros #lrnchat
9:07:34 pm Quinnovator: @ChristyATucker as seen so many times before, ID can learn from interface design, they've been spiraling and more for a long time! #lrnchat
9:08:00 pm oxala75: @jmarrapodi welcome! #lrnchat
9:08:04 pm spotlearning: ADDIE is a boilerplate framework anyway…there is to my knowledge no clear ADDIE "model"…just a bunch in the category. #lrnchat
9:08:11 pm Mary_a_Myers: @ThomasStone i can't think of anything to fill in the blanks. let's see "curiosity" #lrnchat
9:08:29 pm hjarche: Some of my past thoughts on ISD/ADDIE http://is.gd/1BwmV #lrnchat
9:08:52 pm tjmeister: Thankfully Wikipedia has good primer regarding ADDIE, new acronym for me… #lrnchat
9:08:54 pm gminks: http://bit.ly/TQBci #lrnchat
9:09:07 pm Quinnovator: Q1: actually I think the notion of 'instruction' may be the problem, and really we need 'learning design', LD #lrnchat
9:09:07 pm ChristyATucker: @Quinnovator Definitely lots to learn from spiral models elsewhere. Reflects my reality more than a linear process. #lrnchat
9:09:33 pm spotlearning: I like Morrison, Ross, and Kemp's visual representation of ISD as a non-linear process…makes more sense for new IDs, IMHO #lrnchat
9:09:42 pm ChristyATucker: Amen! RT @Quinnovator: Q1: actually I think the notion of instruction may be the problem, and really we need learning design, LD #lrnchat
9:09:46 pm gminks: I've always seen it with arrows back to the E from many places in the process #lrnchat
9:09:47 pm hjarche: Greedy instructional design is another option http://is.gd/1Bwqs #lrnchat
9:09:52 pm Quinnovator: @gminks we'll try not to hold that against you🙂 (give my regards to Val Shute!) #lrnchat
9:10:21 pm spotlearning: RT @Quinnovator Q1: actually I think the notion of 'instruction' may be the problem, and really we need 'learning design', LD #lrnchat
9:10:27 pm Quinnovator: @ThomasStone of course, my answer is 'Quinnovation'😉 #lrnchat
9:10:38 pm smartinx: @gminks Still linear and version driven. You have to go through whole process before repeating a step. V1 to v2 to v3 and on… #lrnchat
9:10:39 pm lrnchat: Q2) What's still right & working in the field of instructional design/ID? #lrnchat
9:10:40 pm roninchef: @tjmeister My boss is good for dropping the ID terms, Wikipedia saved me more than once. #lrnchat
9:10:43 pm JaneBozarth: Thoughts on alternatives to Kirkpatrick http://tinyurl.com/6uxjop #lrnchat
9:11:00 pm gminks: @Quinnovator🙂 I will! #lrnchat
9:11:07 pm rpannoni: @Quinnovator I agree that learning design is much better than instructional design. Opens up lots of opportunity space. #lrnchat
9:11:11 pm ScottWyler: @Quinnovator "QADDIE"? #lrnchat
9:11:12 pm Mary_a_Myers: @Quinnovator and maybe extend it to be learning environment design. designing the learning landscape. #lrnchat
9:11:16 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Quinnovator Q1: actually I think the notion of 'instruction' may be the problem, and really we need 'learning design', LD #lrnchat
9:11:29 pm media1der: @ThomasStone … community? social networking? Informal learning is more organic #lrnchat
9:11:34 pm oxala75: @lrnchat Q2: autodidacts still seem to keep finding their way into ID. #lrnchat
9:11:38 pm jmarrapodi: Q2 Rapid ID with prototyping and revisions. #lrnchat
9:11:42 pm Spydeesense: @ChristyATucker @Quinnovator Learning design sounds revolutionary so would sim design, virtual world design, etc fall under that #lrnchat
9:12:05 pm hamtra: RT @Quinnovator: Q1: actually I think the notion of ‘instruction’ may be the problem, and really we need ‘learning design’, LD #lrnchat
9:12:11 pm media1der: @JaneBozarth I think we need learning facilitation – in the truest sense of the term #lrnchat
9:12:18 pm JaneBozarth: Q2 term implies intentional effort #lrnchat
9:12:32 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator Q1: actually I think the notion of instruction may be the problem, and really we need learning design, LD #lrnchat
9:12:34 pm hjarche: RT @JaneBozarth: Thoughts on alternatives to Kirkpatrick http://tinyurl.com/6uxjop #lrnchat
9:12:49 pm richardsheehy: RT @jmarrapodi: Q2 Rapid ID with prototyping and revisions. #lrnchat
9:12:57 pm JaneBozarth: @media1der With you on that! #lrnchat
9:13:07 pm ChristyATucker: Q2: What’s right in ID (or LD?): people who don’t feel restricted to following ADDIE in a linear way #lrnchat
9:13:19 pm rpannoni: Q2 Good visual design, which should be part of ID, is always a win. #lrnchat
9:13:38 pm ChristyATucker: @Spydeesense If the virtual worlds are used for learning, yes, I think that’s learning design #lrnchat
9:13:49 pm Quinnovator: @jmarrapodi getting to a more iterative model? #lrnchat
9:14:00 pm smartinx: Q2: Actually having some discipline in the process isn’t bad. #lrnchat
9:14:01 pm hamtra: RT @Mary_a_Myers: designing the learning landscape. #lrnchat
9:14:07 pm hjarche: Q2: What’s right with ID is that it is a common framework from which to deviate and innovate #lrnchat
9:14:07 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @Quinnovator: Q2: what’s right in ID is the notion of trying systematically to meet learning needs #lrnchat
9:14:22 pm Quinnovator: @Spydeesense yes, that’s my point, we need a broader palette & broader perspective (it’s not all courses!) #lrnchat
9:14:31 pm spotlearning: Q2 The study of ID contributes much to effective business decision making, IMHO…very extensible. #lrnchat
9:14:33 pm ScottWyler: Hear, hear! RT @JaneBozarth Q2 term implies intentional effort #lrnchat
9:14:44 pm media1der: @rpannoni visual design – and Information Design – in the tech com sense, not the IT sense #lrnchat
9:15:01 pm Spydeesense: @ChristyATucker Definitely VWs for learning I have trouble seeing them as anything else but I’m a bit myopic ha #lrnchat
9:15:19 pm tonykarrer: Not sure if learning design is it. Maybe biz/perf impr with work and learning facilitation #lrnchat
9:15:27 pm Mary_a_Myers: @hjarche wholeheartedly agree! it must be like this to be effective #lrnchat
9:15:32 pm JaneBozarth: RT @quinnovator @Spydeesense yes, that’s my point, we need a broader palette & broader perspective (it’s not all courses!) #lrnchat
9:15:37 pm Priaak: RT @hjarche Greedy instructional design is another option http://is.gd/1Bwqs #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:15:41 pm Quinnovator: what’s right with ID are those who have the background, are creative, and know good design trumps production values #lrnchat
9:15:47 pm tjmeister: I find there are many great “bite sized chunks” individually packed with interesting learning… #lrnchat
9:16:27 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche deviant!😉 Positively, of course … #lrnchat
9:16:36 pm gminks: agile for me has a bad connotation, agile programming done wrong yields bad, bad results #lrnchat
9:17:01 pm spotlearning: @tonykarrer The Analysis piece of ADDIE intersects with PI, doesn’t it? I’ve always seen it that way. #lrnchat
9:17:05 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator and good design trumps software, too! #lrnchat
9:17:06 pm rpannoni: Q2 Also, good ID is driven by outcomes & measurement, which is a challenge for informal learning. #lrnchat
9:17:13 pm Mary_a_Myers: @tonykarrer although learning design roles off the tongue a bit easier. #lrnchat
9:17:18 pm Spydeesense: @Quinnovator Dig it & that may go a long way to decreasing noise around what’s a sim what’s a VW when it s/b what’s useful 4 lrning #lrnchat
9:17:22 pm jmarrapodi: ID is about working with the right info to present it in a way so the learner gets it. Using the methods to determine what & how. #lrnchat
9:17:22 pm Quinnovator: @tonykarrer thinking of a broader notion of learning, not just formal, but innovation, problem-solve, etc (inspiration) #lrnchat
9:17:42 pm hjarche: @gminks & waterfall gone wrong yields bad & expensive results😉 #lrnchat
9:17:53 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator and good design trumps software, too! #lrnchat
9:18:52 pm dbolen: RT @Quinnovator: @tonykarrer thinking of broader notion of learning, not just formal, but innovation, problem-solve, (inspiration) #lrnchat
9:18:55 pm spotlearning: @Quinnovator There’s always a way to produce a good design…might take a smart developer to make the software work tho. #lrnchat
9:19:01 pm smartinx: @hjarche problem with waterfall gone wrong is you don’t realize it’s wrong ’til you’re drowning #lrnchat
9:19:06 pm jmarrapodi: @rpannoni: You may just have to measure differently with informal learning. engagement, for example. #lrnchat
9:19:13 pm media1der: @JaneBozarth @Quinnovator Software comes and goes, but sound design skills are forever #lrnchat
9:19:15 pm MariaOD: Q2 ID provides the framework for measurement and ROE #lrnchat
9:19:26 pm moehlert: Hi #lrnchat! WiFi mostly out tonight and you guys are kind of alot to follow on iPhone…seeing if I can get back on..
9:19:29 pm Quinnovator: bingo! RT @Spydeesense Dig it & may go long way to decreasing noise around what’s sim what’s VW when it s/b what’s useful 4 lrning #lrnchat
9:19:55 pm hjarche: RT @smartinx: @hjarche problem with waterfall gone wrong is you dont realize its wrong til you’re drowning |😀 #lrnchat
9:20:06 pm spotlearning: RT @smartinx @hjarche problem with waterfall gone wrong is you don’t realize it’s wrong ’til you’re drowning #lrnchat
9:20:23 pm Quinnovator: @spotlearning yes, but good designer knows what tech can do, doesn’t design the impossible (oh, just raw text parsing here, please) #lrnchat
9:20:27 pm MariaOD: RT rpannoniQ2 Also, good ID is driven by outcomes & measurement, which is a challenge for informal learning. #lrnchat
9:20:47 pm Quinnovator: RT @media1der: @JaneBozarth @Quinnovator Software comes and goes, but sound design skills are forever #lrnchat
9:21:16 pm Spydeesense: @moehlert He’s not dead yet! #lrnchat
9:21:25 pm rpannoni: @jmarrapodi Engagement is a good measure, but doesn’t get to outcomes. People can get sucked in by useless stuff. #lrnchat
9:21:38 pm ChristyATucker: RT @media1der: @JaneBozarth @Quinnovator Software comes and goes, but sound design skills are forever #lrnchat
9:21:50 pm spotlearning: @Quinnovator Some of our best innovations came from *nearly* impossible designs that created fresh opportunities. #lrnchat
9:22:01 pm gminks: @MariaOD @rpannoniQ2 but if you are tied to the biz, then there will be obvious ways to measure if you facilitate informal lrning #lrnchat
9:22:21 pm media1der: @hjarche Waterfall = drowning: OMG, too too true! When SMEs keep revisiting earlier dev over and over #lrnchat
9:22:26 pm spotlearning: RT @rpannoni @jmarrapodi Engagement is a good measure, but doesn’t get to outcomes. People can get sucked in by useless stuff. #lrnchat
9:22:29 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Quinnovator Good designer knows what tech can do, doesn’t design the impossible (oh, just raw text parsing here, please) #lrnchat
9:22:44 pm tjmeister: This wasn’t done on purpose, a tool Iused to analyse a problem, when a small group gathered, it became more http://yfrog.com/527p0p #lrnchat
9:22:53 pm JaneBozarth: Has anyone else noticed how consistently brilliant @Quinnovator has been tonight? #lrnchat
9:23:21 pm MariaOD: @media1der We must honor the past. The waterfall process did serve it’s purpose prior to web when we had to promote code #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:23:26 pm oxala75: @spotlearning i agree. the trick is knowing what is possible and what is *just* out of reach (and still desirable instructionally) #lrnchat
9:23:39 pm jmarrapodi: @rpannoni True. You take a risk on the outcome target with informal learning. But you do that in group discussions too, right? #lrnchat
9:23:45 pm JaneBozarth: @spotlearning @rpannoni @jmarrapodi I don’t see that outcomes are always clear to the client… #lrnchat
9:23:47 pm hjarche: Agile ID, rule #1 fail early, fail often – we’ll work from there #lrnchat
9:24:17 pm tjmeister: But in retrospect, things like this could be designed on purpose…for certain learning goals… #lrnchat
9:24:42 pm Quinnovator: @rpannoni needs a different level of analysis for metrics, but they can be done, just not immediately obvious #lrnchat
9:24:47 pm media1der: Case in point: How many of you used Toolbook? Authorware? Gone, but design skills and lessons learned all xfered to new tools. #lrnchat
9:24:52 pm MariaOD: @gminks guided informal learning? #lrnchat
9:25:08 pm gminks: @jmarrapodi what if part of the process is being open to see if other measurements you didn’t think about have been reached #lrnchat
9:25:20 pm smartinx: Failure is not bad as long as you recognize, correct and learn #lrnchat
9:25:20 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth 3 responses: I’m all about design; flattery will get you anywhere; and I blame the beer #lrnchat
9:25:32 pm spotlearning: @JaneBozarth @Quinnovator Then there’s scope creep, the cousin and mother of nearly impossible designs…insert banjo music here #lrnchat
9:25:35 pm oxala75: RT @hjarche Agile ID, rule #1 fail early, fail often – we’ll work from there #lrnchat
9:25:46 pm rpannoni: @jmarrapodi The difference is, with formal learning you have an outcome in mind, so you can measure. Not in informal. #lrnchat
9:25:48 pm gminks: @MariaOD I think that is what has to happen, at least in my field. Ppl have to learn the boring stuff, not just the cool new stuff #lrnchat
9:25:52 pm ChristyATucker: @MariaOD Maybe not “guided” informal learning–perhaps facilitated, coached, cultivated? #lrnchat
9:25:53 pm shawn1015: @hjarche agreed. not enough of that going on. #lrnchat
9:26:02 pm hjarche: @MariaOD agree we must honour the past – I’ll attend the Waterfall funeral service and wear black too #lrnchat
9:26:07 pm Quinnovator: so true, nuances are subtle RT @JaneBozarth I don’t see that outcomes are always clear to the client… #lrnchat
9:26:19 pm JaneBozarth: “Metrics” ! Drink! #lrnchat
9:26:20 pm MarkMorganMA: @Quinnovator That does it. I’m definitely on a Drink break! #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:26:26 pm tonykarrer: @spotlearning agree. Good ID skills support broader design capabilities #lrnchat
9:26:43 pm oxala75: @shawn1015 you first🙂 #lrnchat
9:26:48 pm spotlearning: @media1der Case in point… Toolbook? Authorware? …skills and lessons learned all xfered to new tools. So True! So True! #lrnchat
9:26:50 pm hjarche: RT @JaneBozarth: “Metrics” ! Drink! #lrnchat
9:26:52 pm MariaOD: @hjarche It’s part of the change managment…er…grieving process🙂 #lrnchat
9:26:53 pm urbie: Captivate is the new Authorware. #lrnchat
9:27:01 pm JaneBozarth: @quinnovator Client knows what was wrong yesterday, not what he’d like to see tomorrow… #lrnchat
9:27:13 pm Quinnovator: @MariaOD Lance Dublin talks about non-formal, but I think that’s a mistake #lrnchat
9:27:19 pm JaneBozarth: RT @urbie: Captivate is the new Authorware. #lrnchat
9:27:35 pm hjarche: RT @urbie: Captivate is the new Authorware | is that a good thing? #lrnchat
9:27:39 pm JaneBozarth: In the South we pronounce that “Arthurware”, y’all. #lrnchat
9:27:46 pm rpannoni: @Quinnovator With informal, each learner has an outcome in mind. But the outcomes may not aggregate easily. #lrnchat
9:28:13 pm gminks: glad @JaneBozarth is the bartender tonight🙂 #lrnchat
9:28:18 pm shawn1015: @oxala75 i’m willing to run into that brick wall.🙂 #lrnchat
9:28:21 pm Quinnovator: @spotlearning ah, yes, scope creep. Good definition definitely necessary, and good PM #lrnchat
9:28:24 pm ThomasStone: @Quinnovator I agree. I think the formal vs. informal distinction speaks to the essentials in the concepts here. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:28:32 pm hjarche: @rpannoni people have been aggregating for years (so my parents told me) #lrnchat
9:28:34 pm spotlearning: Not quite yet, but it’s trying, isn’t it? RT @urbie Captivate is the new Authorware. #lrnchat
9:29:02 pm MariaOD: Informal learning or goofing off ? #lrnchat
9:29:22 pm spotlearning: RT @rpannoni @Quinnovator With informal, each learner has an outcome in mind. But the outcomes may not aggregate easily. #lrnchat
9:29:22 pm jmarrapodi: @rpannoni @gminks That’s a key difference between constructivist learning & behaviourist learning. Defined vs discovered goals. #lrnchat
9:29:26 pm smartinx: Been fun, y’all. Gotta get the kids in bed. Will check the transcript for more brilliance. #lrnchat
9:29:30 pm rpannoni: RT @MariaOD: @hjarche Its part of the change managment…er…grieving process🙂 LOL, love that def of change mgmt #lrnchat
9:29:30 pm JaneBozarth: RT @gminks: glad @JaneBozarth is the bartender tonight🙂 #lrnchat
9:29:40 pm hjarche: @MariaOD I’m goofing off (and learning) right now #lrnchat
9:29:46 pm tmiket: @mariaod I’ve learned some good things while “goofing off” #lrnchat
9:29:52 pm Quinnovator: perish the thought! i like captivate, but… RT @urbie: Captivate is the new Authorware. #lrnchat
9:30:10 pm JaneBozarth: Well someone has to step up RT @gminks glad @JaneBozarth is the bartender tonight🙂 #lrnchat
9:30:29 pm MarkMorganMA: RT @hjarche: @MariaOD Im goofing off (and learning) right now … me too!!!!!! #lrnchat
9:30:30 pm MariaOD: @tmiket Me too…but how do you sell it to the leadership? #lrnchat
9:30:31 pm tjmeister: RT @MariaOD: Informal learning or goofing off ? #lrnchat When I learn the most…
9:30:33 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth good marketing is really good customer education, managing client is helping them learn why you’re doing it right😉 #lrnchat
9:30:34 pm ThomasStone: Learners don’t always have outcomes in mind when learning informally. Only sometimes. But that is OK, why not? #lrnchat
9:30:40 pm hjarche: @rpannoni change management = a good funeral (wake)?😀 #lrnchat
9:30:41 pm oxala75: @jmarrapodi serendipitous learning – my favorite. #lrnchat
9:31:01 pm JaneBozarth: @smartinx You going to read ppt slides to them so they’ll go to sleep? #lrnchat
9:31:25 pm marciamarcia: @tmiket I learn all good things while goofing off. #lrnchat
9:31:27 pm MariaOD: Am I the only one who doesn’t think Captivate is the holy grail? #lrnchat
9:31:29 pm lrnchat: Q3) How does ID change & adapt in a world designing for informal, virtual, mobile learning? #lrnchat
9:31:34 pm Quinnovator: @rpannoni but the aggregate impact may be seen (deltas in problems solved, new ideas, time to solve, etc) #lrnchat
9:31:45 pm spotlearning: @Quinnovator I give Captivate 2 more versions to pass AW in capabilities. …just sayin’ #lrnchat
9:31:47 pm rpannoni: RT @hjarche: @rpannoni change management = a good funeral (wake)? – Wakes are more fun than change mgmt. #lrnchat
9:31:48 pm hjarche: @JaneBozarth PowerPoint = 21st C sleep aid #lrnchat
9:31:55 pm urbie: any one know of a tutorial or other docs for sloodle? something written for non-techs? #lrnchat
9:32:05 pm media1der: RT In today’s fast paced biz environment it’s dangerous to focus too much on what was wrong yesterday. #lrnchat
9:32:05 pm JaneBozarth: I’m about to decide here at 9:31 pm ET that there is no such thing as “formal” learning #lrnchat
9:32:13 pm tmiket: @MariaOD I’m with you. I’m not sure Captivate nor anything else is a holy grail #lrnchat
9:32:14 pm jmarrapodi: @oxala75 Discovered learning generally delights the learner. I think that’s what makes problem centered learning so successful. #lrnchat
9:32:16 pm Quinnovator: depends on who’s paying…😉 RT @MariaOD: Informal learning or goofing off ? #lrnchat
9:32:23 pm gminks: @ThomasStone I develop technical training. The learners have to have the goal of mastering the software they sell/install/support #lrnchat
9:32:51 pm JaneBozarth: @mariaOD I do not think Captivate is the holy grail #lrnchat
9:32:52 pm MarkMorganMA: RT Kind of tough to design @oxala75: @jmarrapodi serendipitous learning – my favorite. #lrnchat
9:32:59 pm hjarche: @JaneBozarth formal learning is when you have to dress up – dinja know? #lrnchat
9:33:00 pm Quinnovator: @smartinx fam’s important, see ya around #lrnchat
9:33:05 pm JaneBozarth: And PS Holy grail! We’ve already got one! #lrnchat
9:33:28 pm gminks: q3: guided informal learning. Help students get at least the bare minimum, help them find paths to grow from there #lrnchat
9:33:34 pm jmarrapodi: @urbie Sloodle? What’s it do? Hi, btw, haven’t met you yet. #lrnchat
9:33:35 pm tjmeister: Perhaps new role, more a learning community manager, a catalyst, rather that traditional ID role #lrnchat
9:33:54 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How does ID change & adapt in a world designing for informal, virtual, mobile learning? #lrnchat
9:33:58 pm MarkMorganMA: RT there goes 10 years of hard work @JaneBozarth: Im about to decide here that there is no such thing as “formal” learning #lrnchat
9:34:05 pm spotlearning: @JaneBozarth @mariaOD I think Captivate is a promising tool that can be used effectively in some situations. That’s all. #lrnchat
9:34:09 pm ThomasStone: @gminks but then isn’t that formal learning/training, not informal? #lrnchat
9:34:14 pm oxala75: @lrnchat Q3) it will survive be being what it is supposed to be: a framework #lrnchat
9:34:17 pm media1der: RT @MariaOD I don’t know how you can even begin to compare Captivate to A’ware #lrnchat
9:34:30 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth you can bring a learner to learning, but you can’t make them think #lrnchat
9:34:33 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jmarrapodi: … learning generally delights the learner. I think that’s what makes problem centered learning so successful. #lrnchat
9:34:43 pm Spydeesense: Q3: step back & acct 4 totality of learner experience & continuum & definitely get up on all tech used for lrning FREE YOUR MIND #lrnchat
9:34:50 pm rpannoni: @Quinnovator Agree there can be metrics for informal. But it requires much cleverness and effort. Don’t see them used much (yet). #lrnchat
9:34:52 pm jmarrapodi: @MarkMorganMA True. Serendipitous learning is a fringe benefit of living with your eyes open. #lrnchat
9:34:57 pm Quinnovator: RT @hjarche: @JaneBozarth formal learning is when you have to dress up – dinja know? #lrnchat
9:35:00 pm marciamarcia: @ThomasStone I encourage people to think of learning along informal/formal unexpected/intentional dimensions http://sn.im/inforr #lrnchat
9:35:01 pm urbie: @jmarrapodi sloodle integrates Second Life with Moodle. Enables connection to blogs and such. #lrnchat
9:35:10 pm gminks: @ThomasStone maybe a blend. #lrnchat
9:35:12 pm JaneBozarth: Q3) Said it before: we need to be partners in the learning, not remote #lrnchat
9:35:12 pm media1der: Aware was originally designed for learning … Captivate originally designed for software sims! #lrnchat
9:35:54 pm urbie: @media1der Authorware: templates, wizards, scripting language. Captivate ditto. #lrnchat
9:36:00 pm oxala75: @MarkMorganMA hard to design courses for it. not so hard to design environments for it. #lrnchat
9:36:02 pm dbolen: RT @JaneBozarth: Q3) Said it before: we need to be partners in the learning, not remote, amen #lrnchat
9:36:18 pm Quinnovator: Q3: when your palette & perspective are broader, VW, informal, sim/games, mobile are all part of the solution (not the precipitate) #lrnchat
9:36:24 pm ThomasStone: Q3: ID *job role* will change in the future: still some formal training dev., but also forum moderator, wiki gardener, blog author #lrnchat
9:36:34 pm spotlearning: RT @lrnchat Q3) How does ID change & adapt in a world designing for informal, virtual, mobile learning? #lrnchat
9:36:37 pm JaneBozarth: @urbie That’s what they used to say about Breeze back when it was Breeze #lrnchat
9:36:43 pm hjarche: RT @marciamarcia I encourage people to think of learning on informal/formal unexpected/intentional dimensions http://sn.im/inforr #lrnchat
9:37:04 pm shawn1015: Q3: start by convincing the people with the money that informal doesn’t mean invalid. #lrnchat
9:37:04 pm MarkMorganMA: RT More .. @oxala75: @MarkMorganMA hard to design courses for it. not so hard to design environments for it. #lrnchat
9:37:11 pm spotlearning: Q3: We become mentors and guides and quit trying to position ourselves as purveyors of learning. #lrnchat
9:37:11 pm ThomasStone: Just as not all ILT instructors can shift easily to online, so too only some IDs will shift well to these new tasks. #lrnchat
9:37:19 pm Quinnovator: RT @tjmeister: Perhaps new role, more learning community manager/catalyst, rather than traditional ID role #lrnchat yes learning facilitator
9:37:22 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth so, ID in the modern era is gardener, not martinet #lrnchat
9:37:26 pm JaneBozarth: @media1der We mean the hype/all things to all people/ faddish/will run its course #lrnchat
9:37:31 pm roninchef: Q3 by looking outside the ID community for how others adapt to the same challenges. #lrnchat
9:37:33 pm media1der: @marciamarcia as we get away from “learning as an event” thinking, we are free to try a “new blend” of formal/informal activities #lrnchat
9:37:39 pm dbolen: why the focus on tools tonight? #lrnchat
9:37:45 pm JaneBozarth: @oxala75 HA! Yes, good. #lrnchat
9:37:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: @shawn1015 informal is a horrible marketing term for learning #lrnchat
9:37:51 pm JaneBozarth: RT @oxala75: @JaneBozarth so, ID in the modern era is gardener, not martinet #lrnchat
9:38:00 pm spotlearning: I should say “as the only purveyors” of learning. #lrnchat
9:38:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @Spydeesense: Q3: step back & acct 4 totality of learner experience & continuum & definitely get up on all tech used for lrning #lrnchat
9:38:17 pm urbie: @media1der Operative word: originally. Check out the latest. It can do a lot more than software sim. I’m using it in nursing sim. #lrnchat
9:38:44 pm JaneBozarth: Q3 Was it @quinnovator who said earlier we may have to get away from idea of “instruction” and “courses”? #lrnchat
9:38:51 pm oxala75: @roninchef hence the excitement about agile, no? #lrnchat
9:38:52 pm ChristyATucker: @oxala75 ID is gardener, especially if we see learning as growing rather than being built #lrnchat
9:38:58 pm rpannoni: ID doesn’t change in the informal learning world. It’s irrelevant. Community-building is the new skill. #lrnchat
9:39:01 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: Q3) Said it before: we need to be partners in the learning, not remote #lrnchat yes, learning facilitators!
9:39:02 pm spotlearning: @dbolen I think the focus on tools was a distraction/sidetraction. #lrnchat
9:39:24 pm Priaak: RT @oxala75 @JaneBozarth so, ID in the modern era is gardener, not martinet #lrnchat
9:39:27 pm shawn1015: @KoreenOlbrish true. so is gaming, social media, etc. #lrnchat
9:39:36 pm media1der: @spotlearning Q3: We become mentors and guides – absolutely! again, we will truly be facilators. We should embrace the term. #lrnchat
9:39:37 pm tjmeister: RT @rpannoni: ID doesn’t change in the informal learning world. It’s irrelevant. Community-building is the new skill. #lrnchat
9:39:41 pm oxala75: @shawn1015 from your lips to somebody’s ear #lrnchat (and @koreenolbrish, i agree)
9:39:41 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Quinnovator i like the use of the word “continuum” because too often there’s only a few options considered for learning #lrnchat
9:39:56 pm Quinnovator: RT @ThomasStone: Q3: ID *job role* will change in future: still some formal, but also forum moderator, wiki gardener, blog author #lrnchat
9:40:08 pm JaneBozarth: RT @KoreenOlbrish: i like the use of the word “continuum” because too often there’s only a few options considered for learning #lrnchat
9:40:16 pm ThomasStone: Less of instructors and IDs as gatekeepers of formal learning, and increase in their role as enabler/facilitator of inf. learning. #lrnchat
9:40:20 pm urbie: @tjmeister Do you use stuff like twitter in your courses? #lrnchat
9:40:24 pm ChristyATucker: As mentioned earlier, we need a change from “instructional” design to learning design–broader perspective, continuum #lrnchat
9:40:25 pm JaneBozarth: And hello @koreenolbrish glad you made it to #lrnchat
9:40:31 pm arieliondotcom: Scott Mcleod predicts #Connectivism @ #Openlearning will be the norm by 2019 in his ISTE talk on Disruptive Innovation #lrnchat #CCK09
9:40:40 pm Spydeesense: @dbolen Excellent observation putting tools aside where should focus be? #lrnchat
9:40:55 pm Mary_a_Myers: Q3) we stay close to the learner and what they do day-to-day; make learning seamless with life…help us help them. #lrnchat
9:41:27 pm JaneBozarth: Q3 Think we’re making assumptions that others want/intend to become ‘mentors and guides’? #lrnchat
9:41:38 pm spotlearning: @tjmester @rpannoni Communities centered around topics are better served when members have some ID skills, IMHO. #lrnchat
9:41:47 pm tjmeister: @urbie I use twitter heavily for my own learning, so would have to say yes… #lrnchat
9:42:05 pm Quinnovator: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @Quinnovator like the use of word “continuum” because too often only a few options considered for learning #lrnchat
9:42:09 pm dpontefract: Q3 – learning orgs/corp u’s need to become ‘trend analyzers’ with biz hats on — what’s going on in the biz, and how can we help #lrnchat
9:42:16 pm media1der: How do we evolve the word “facilitator” so that the learning community understands it has moved out of the classroom? #lrnchat
9:42:23 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT @ThomasStone: less of instrs and IDs as gatekeepers of formal lrning, and increase in role as enabler/faci of inf. lrning. #lrnchat
9:42:24 pm dbolen: @Spydeesense improved performance individual and biz #lrnchat
9:42:44 pm urbie: @Spydeesense Tools should be the focus. http://tinyurl.com/auqj85. Where would ID be without M.S. Word or flipchart? #lrnchat
9:42:46 pm KoreenOlbrish: i argued today that we haven’t yet developed the capability for designing for virtual worlds-& few have exp designing games or sims #lrnchat
9:42:56 pm rpannoni: @spotlearning Hadn’t thought about the contribution of ID skills to communities. Interesting. #lrnchat
9:43:05 pm Quinnovator: @KoreenOlbrish I call it the performance ecosystem, a full panoply of learning solutions #lrnchat
9:43:09 pm hjarche: Tweet by @rpannoni “ID doesn’t change in the informal learning world. It’s irrelevant” is worth some serious discussion #lrnchat
9:43:21 pm urbie: @tjmeister But in the courses you design? Where is web 2.0 in corporate or higher-d? #lrnchat
9:43:25 pm tjmeister: @spotlearning For sure, other wise sometimes nothing might actually be done… #lrnchat
9:43:28 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth …or that learners will cotton to be guided rather than directed. #lrnchat
9:43:52 pm media1der: @spotlearning @tjmester @rpannoni – community members don’t need design skills, but community architects and facilitators sure do #lrnchat
9:43:57 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: @KoreenOlbrish I call it the performance ecosystem, a full panoply of learning solutions #lrnchat
9:44:04 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Quinnovator you said panoply and performance ecosystem in the same tweet? Drink! #lrnchat
9:44:23 pm urbie: @media1der Think about facilitator for a moment? In the best of all worlds she gets out of the way. #lrnchat
9:44:26 pm J_Schulz: Sorry I’m late – looks like I missed all the good questions! #lrnchat
9:44:30 pm gminks: @urbie we use yammer for some courses (it is sort of underground right now..) #lrnchat
9:44:32 pm JaneBozarth: RT @hjarche: Tweet by @rpannoni “ID doesn’t change in the informal learning world. It’s irrelevant” worth some serious discussion #lrnchat
9:44:42 pm Quinnovator: @KoreenOlbrish I *am*! (hic) #lrnchat
9:44:45 pm tjmeister: @tjmeister OpenSim still fairly new to this game, more informal “free range “structure now, will know more as year progresses. #lrnchat
9:44:50 pm ChristyATucker: @urbie @tjmeister I design higher ed courses with WordPress, Wikispaces, Skype, etc. #lrnchat
9:44:53 pm gminks: uh oh I said the Y word #lrnchat
9:45:04 pm KoreenOlbrish: (we are drinking tonight, right?🙂 #lrnchat
9:45:10 pm urbie: @media1der Community members definitely need design skills. How to construct without know how? Experimentation delivers it. #lrnchat
9:45:11 pm MarkMorganMA: RT easier to tweet than to say @KoreenOlbrish: @Quinnovator you said panoply and performance ecosystem in the same tweet? Drink! #lrnchat
9:45:31 pm gminks: @KoreenOlbrish make it a double!😀 #lrnchat
9:45:31 pm urbie: @ChristyATucker Samples? #lrnchat
9:45:33 pm KoreenOlbrish: @gminks we should call it “spammer”🙂 #lrnchat
9:45:45 pm Quinnovator: @urbie if we take Vygotsky’s point about how tools change our cognition, wonder what impact MSWord has had? (shudder) #lrnchat
9:45:45 pm rpannoni: RT @media1der: – community members dont need design skills, but community architects and facilitators sure do – explain? #lrnchat
9:45:56 pm Erick1970: @JaneBozarth @hjarche @rpannoni or is it the ID is more about designing the learning environment & object in informal learning? #lrnchat
9:46:01 pm media1der: @urbie The facilitator creates the environment for learning … seeds discussion … introduces outside resources #lrnchat
9:46:06 pm hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat_dry is in the other room😉 #lrnchat
9:46:07 pm gminks: @KoreenOlbrish haha spammer #lrnchat
9:46:12 pm Mary_a_Myers: @KoreenOlbrish I wasn’t but I will now. #lrnchat
9:46:19 pm tjmeister: @urbie But I see the vworld pulling in and pumping out to various locations..using web2.0 tools #lrnchat
9:46:21 pm JaneBozarth: If you can use panoply and performance ecosystem in the same tweet, you aren’t drinking enough. #lrnchat
9:46:43 pm Quinnovator: @KoreenOlbrish we have capability for VW Learning, but we haven’t linked good learning design with need with tool too often #lrnchat
9:46:46 pm Spydeesense: @urbie Nice link! Tools are a focus w/o a doubt tho 2 @dbolen pt perhaps in engagements focus on the “why” 1st THEN decide tools #lrnchat
9:46:48 pm spotlearning: @dpontefract Agree that trend analysis is part of our new role, but not ALL of it. We still advocate for good design too. #lrnchat
9:46:53 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @JaneBozarth: If you can use panoply and performance ecosystem in the same tweet, you arent drinking enough. #lrnchat
9:47:10 pm ChristyATucker: @urbie Links & discussion of wiki & blogs in higher ed, with samples http://bit.ly/4ouYYa #lrnchat
9:47:10 pm gminks: bartender has spoken: RT @JaneBozarth: If you can use panoply &performance ecosystem in the same tweet, you arent drinking enough. #lrnchat
9:47:13 pm Spydeesense: @KoreenOlbrish @Quinnovator I wasn’t aware that this was done any other way #lrnchat
9:47:17 pm urbie: @gminks Underground is good. Eats at the foundation so something new can replace. #lrnchat
9:47:28 pm Quinnovator: @J_Schulz you can always review the transcript at #lrnchat http://bit.ly/11Am3
9:47:58 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Quinnovator The thing is, I’ve been in the virtual world space for 18 months? very, very few examples I’d call good design #lrnchat
9:48:01 pm urbie: @ChristyATucker TY. What LMS does your school use? #lrnchat
9:48:05 pm gminks: @urbie plus it gives you a way to think about how to measure the impact, which is the biggest pushback I get #lrnchat
9:48:21 pm dpontefract: @spotlearning absolutely – good point – I like your thinking – would love to hear your thoughts http://www.danpontefract.com/?p=47 #lrnchat
9:48:42 pm media1der: The facilitator sees the big picture, and hopefully provides the context for learning. forest vs trees? #lrnchat
9:48:43 pm J_Schulz: @Quinnovator Oh I will! Not that I can’t guess what the responses where to what’s broken with ID.😉 #lrnchat
9:48:49 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Quinnovator wow, Clark, you mentioned Vygotsky too? you are on a serious roll… #lrnchat
9:48:55 pm JaneBozarth: This bartender thing an awesome responsibility. Keeping celebrities alive on Thursdays and ruling Planet Jane pale in comparison #lrnchat
9:49:01 pm Quinnovator: @Erick1970 yes, can’t *make* people learn, but create environment conducive to sharing, learning, etc #lrnchat
9:49:02 pm ChristyATucker: @urbie At that time we used Blackboard; moved to Sakai this year #lrnchat
9:49:26 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator I think Clark has a textbook open. #lrnchat
9:49:28 pm KoreenOlbrish: @J_Schulz i just got here too..jumping in blindly😉 #lrnchat
9:49:37 pm urbie: @Quinnovator by VW do you mean virtual world or volkswagen? learning for all? #lrnchat
9:49:50 pm tjmeister: @KoreenOlbrish A lot of building virtual models of physical spaces and traditional delivery methods? #lrnchat
9:49:59 pm ethankuniyoshi: Q3 Acknowledge limitations of a “complete’ front-end analysis. Acceptance of unknown-unknowns when implementing instruction. #lrnchat
9:50:05 pm hjarche: @KoreenOlbrish very few early blogs showed good design, but they got the job done and learning happened #lrnchat
9:50:07 pm MarkMorganMA: RT I think he is the textbook @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator I think Clark has a textbook open. #lrnchat
9:50:14 pm gminks: I *hate* BB. No RSS feeds on discussion boards is completely ridiculous #lrnchat
9:50:24 pm urbie: @ChristyATucker We’re on ANGEL 7.4. It has issues integrating 3rd party web 2.0. #lrnchat
9:50:27 pm JaneBozarth: So if @quinnovator has a textbook open does that mean #LRNCHAT like an OPEN BOOK test because it is INFORMAL?
9:50:29 pm oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish @quinnovator i hate to say it, but i agree. when the tech gets boring, you’ll see a lot more mind-blowing stuff #lrnchat
9:50:44 pm media1der: I’ve started thinking higher ed “gets” the learning experience in a way that corp learning doesn’t. #lrnchat
9:51:01 pm tonya_simmons: we use a virtual role play to sim. real time response to call center type sit. or other dif. conv. sit. #lrnchat
9:51:15 pm JaneBozarth: Hey where is @jwillensky ? #lrnchat
9:51:16 pm lrnchat: 4) #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself. Links welcome. What do you need from us?
9:51:19 pm KoreenOlbrish: @tjmeister a lot of re-creation of traditional classrooms, not a lot of leveraging of the multiplayer, real-time capabilities #lrnchat
9:51:26 pm spotlearning: @dpontefract Thanks for the invite; will check it out: http://www.danpontefract.com/?p=47 #lrnchat
9:51:38 pm urbie: @media1der We agree!! #lrnchat
9:51:46 pm Quinnovator: @urbie yes! Virtual World for all (volks world?) #lrnchat
9:52:04 pm gminks: @media1der I think corp has issues because of $$. Whoever pays for the learning wants it their way, & corp edu becomes order taker #lrnchat
9:52:04 pm KoreenOlbrish: @hjarche very true…and i always forget that there’s still a chasm to cross on people getting comfy being an avatar… #lrnchat
9:52:09 pm ChristyATucker: @urbie We’re not integrating Sakai with external Web 2.0 tools. Just going in and out of the LMS #lrnchat
9:52:09 pm spotlearning: RT @media1der I’ve started thinking higher ed “gets” the learning experience in a way that corp learning doesn’t. #lrnchat
9:52:11 pm hjarche: Clark @Quinnovator may have text book open, but I have Google open (but then, don’t we all?) #lrnchat
9:52:48 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth life’s an open book test, by and large #LRNCHAT
9:52:49 pm urbie: http://tinyurl.com/lzp8ej #lrnchat
9:52:51 pm hjarche: @JaneBozarth I think it’s too hot for @jwillensky #lrnchat
9:52:57 pm KoreenOlbrish: so, since I missed the kickoff, Koreen Olbrish, Philly-ish, Tandem Learning, virtual worlds, sims, & games, oh my! #lrnchat
9:53:02 pm spotlearning: @media1der Do you say that because of the social openness in higher ed learning? Is that partly due to risk (legal) in corp? #lrnchat
9:53:17 pm Quinnovator: RT @oxala75: i hate to say it, but i agree. when the tech gets boring, you’ll see a lot more mind-blowing stuff #lrnchat
9:53:21 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth lifes an open book test, by and large #lrnchat
9:53:35 pm jmarrapodi: Jean Marrapodi, Providence, RI. Learning Architect working at the intersection of high tech & low literacy #lrnchat
9:53:37 pm JaneBozarth: @media1der The higher ed thing is odd. They seem to get way more done, but I hear endless complaints about faculty resistance. #lrnchat
9:53:42 pm Erick1970: @Quinnovator & link the learning environment conducive to etc. back to the performance landscape & organizational goals #lrnchat
9:53:45 pm spotlearning: RT @Quinnovator @JaneBozarth life’s an open book test, by and large #lrnchat
9:53:54 pm gminks: I’m Gina, here’s the link to my summer sem project, if you know people w aspergers pass it to them plz! http://tinyurl.com/m6yq3f #lrnchat
9:53:59 pm urbie: @ChristyATucker Oh. We have some kind of legislated mandate for accountability. In grant i’m working with it has to be replicated. #lrnchat
9:54:28 pm tonya_simmons: Tonya Goth Simmons – production designer for Phasient Learning Technologies, Ames Iowa #lrnchat
9:54:38 pm JaneBozarth: Hey I am a Doctor of Learning Stuff too! Look I can spell Constructivism and Task Analysis and Argyris and… #lrnchat
9:54:51 pm media1der: Corp LMS architecture promotes series of single experiences. no context. Higher ed class has always been many experiences over time #lrnchat
9:54:51 pm marciamarcia: @JaneBozarth @jwillensky wrote in earlier today http://twitter.com/jwillensky/status/2672747583 #lrnchat
9:55:11 pm oxala75: Craig Wiggins. eLearning jockey. DC-area gubmint contractor, sangue bom. #lrnchat
9:55:15 pm ChristyATucker: @urbie Not sure what would be possible in Sakai. rSmart is our vendor and good; see what they can do to integrate tools. #lrnchat
9:55:19 pm KoreenOlbrish: @JaneBozarth thanks, Jane…my head just exploded😉 #lrnchat
9:55:44 pm marciamarcia: @gminks I do, Gina. Will pass along. #lrnchat
9:55:47 pm Quinnovator: bingo! RT @Erick1970: & link the learning environment conducive to etc. back to the performance landscape & organizational goals #lrnchat
9:55:57 pm gminks: @ jwillensky we missed you tonight!! #lrnchat
9:55:59 pm MarkMorganMA: RT The environment is more conducive to learning @media1der: Ive started thinking higher ed “gets” the learning experience… #lrnchat
9:56:04 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth just don’t say ‘praxis’! #lrnchat
9:56:14 pm tonya_simmons: @media1der disagree – we’ve built several series of courses that are assigned & taken together – I’d call that context #lrnchat
9:56:20 pm urbie: @media1der Model in higher-ed I see most is research this, read that, and discuss. Better than corp but has a ways to go #lrnchat
9:56:23 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth drink drink drink ….. #lrnchat
9:56:26 pm ethankuniyoshi: Q4) Ethan Kuniyoshi, SF Bay Area, passionate about learning in a digital age, grad student SFSU #lrnchat
9:56:32 pm JaneBozarth: @KoreenOlbrish Head exploding = occupational hazard #lrnchat
9:56:44 pm Spydeesense: Yo! Marcus Hswe from Tandem Learning & want to know what you think will be a game changer 4 lrning & what will B flash in the pan #lrnchat
9:56:46 pm gminks: @marciamarcia thank you!! #lrnchat
9:56:59 pm ChristyATucker: Christy Tucker, instructional designer doing online higher ed, near Raleigh, NC http://bit.ly/OKO74 #lrnchat
9:57:06 pm tjmeister: @KoreenOlbrish What do you think could be done differently in vworlds. What is next level… #lrnchat
9:57:09 pm Erick1970: @Quinnovator *Exactly!* #lrnchat
9:57:10 pm shawn1015: Shawn Sullivan (VA), recovering gadget geek, instructional designer #lrnchat
9:57:12 pm dpontefract: @media1der indeed, but if you implement a federated window into the org, that the LMS plugs into, you have simplicity for the user #lrnchat
9:57:26 pm jmarrapodi: Need a recommendation for super simple info collector for a group that is still in listserv land. Wiki may be too high tech. #lrnchat
9:57:49 pm KoreenOlbrish: I’m looking for contractors or other interested parties who have experience in game and/or virtual world dev–DM me! #lrnchat
9:57:57 pm media1der: @JaneBozarth True! Design in higher ed isn’t innovative but course architecture & CMS tools much more effective learning framework #lrnchat
9:58:03 pm Quinnovator: btw: Quinnovation has some extra bandwidth this summer. If there are any projects looking for some assistance, let me know! #lrnchat
9:58:11 pm tonya_simmons: @jmarrapodi GoogleDoc? #lrnchat
9:58:11 pm JaneBozarth: 4) Jane Bozarth, geek, feral learner, gubmint worker, positive deviant. Love training, designing training, and playing in #lrnchat
9:58:16 pm hjarche: @jmarrapodi social bookmarks? #lrnchat
9:58:29 pm urbie: @tjmeister virtual worlds good for socialization and constructivism.#lrnchat
9:58:42 pm Quinnovator: thanks to all for another mind-expanding (er, in the good sense) #lrnchat, see you soon I hope!
9:59:00 pm dbolen: Don Bolen, learning designer, asst gardener ATL #lrnchat
9:59:04 pm JaneBozarth: 4 pt 2) and my ID book is available from Amazon http://tinyurl.com/mealsa not that anyone asked… like I wouldn’t notice. #lrnchat
9:59:05 pm Erick1970: Recovering instructional designer🙂 #lrnchat
9:59:07 pm roninchef: Mason Masteka, I combine pictures and words to help people learn & I think I blacked out after all the ADDIE shots in the first 1/3 #lrnchat
9:59:10 pm ChristyATucker: @jmarrapodi Would Diigo be too much for info collection? Use the Diigolet maybe? #lrnchat
9:59:16 pm KoreenOlbrish: @tjmeister need to see design in Virtual Worlds that’s truly experiential, competitive & collaborative…not just virtual meetings #lrnchat
9:59:43 pm KoreenOlbrish: @urbie and that too, yes😉 #lrnchat
10:00:11 pm Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers (CDN) thinking a lot about SoMe and learning. wanting to know more; looking for examples, what has worked; what sucks #lrnchat
10:00:17 pm jkunrein: just saw some #lrnchat tweets… what’s the schedule for this?
10:00:35 pm jmarrapodi: @ChristyATucker forgot about Diigo. Thanks. #lrnchat
10:00:35 pm media1der: @tonya_simmons Absolutely! but it’s the “assigning” & “taking together” that provide context. Many corp LMSs don’t make that easy #lrnchat
10:00:41 pm JaneBozarth: oops sorry didn’t mean that last one to repeat link. Meant to paste in #lrnchat Sorry
10:00:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Erick1970 aren’t we all? I might add that to my biz card…:) #lrnchat
10:00:56 pm urbie: @KoreenOlbrish San Jose State is doing awesome things with nursing in second life#lrnchat
10:00:57 pm oxala75: @jkunrein 8:30 ET, Thursdays #lrnchat
10:01:07 pm gminks: I didnt do my hw. I will pay for this😦 #lrnchat
10:01:18 pm tjmeister: @KoreenOlbrish Agreed. Messy, very valuable, but hard to “count” and evaluate easily… #lrnchat
10:01:18 pm tonya_simmons: @media1der ah – I’m new to the field, so I only know our LMS #lrnchat
10:01:31 pm KoreenOlbrish: @jkunrein Thurs 8:30 – 10:00 pm est. Please join us! #lrnchat
10:01:34 pm Mary_a_Myers: @JaneBozarth i love the term positive deviant! I think i’m one too. #lrnchat
10:01:46 pm spotlearning: 4) Joe Fournier, http://spotlearning.blogspot.com interest: convergence of soc. media & learning and social construction of lrning #lrnchat
10:01:55 pm gminks: is anyone going to the elearning guild’s instructional design symposium next week in Boston? #lrnchat
10:02:01 pm ShannonBoudjema: RT @Mary_a_Myers: Mary Myers (CDN) SoMe n’ learning. wanting to know more; looking for examples, what has worked; what sucks #lrnchat
10:02:12 pm JaneBozarth: @Mary_a_Myers Am doing presos on being a positive deviant. We need more. #lrnchat
10:02:15 pm jkunrein: #lrnchat Judy Unrein, instructional designer, mostly e-learning
10:02:54 pm Quinnovator: @jkunrein always Thurs 5:30 PT, 8:30 ET. If that’s not convenient, survey for best EU time at http://bit.ly/11Am3 #lrnchat
10:02:57 pm KoreenOlbrish: @tjmeister if there were just 1 really good executed example, everyone would benefit from it…i’m trying to work on it😉 #lrnchat
10:02:57 pm jkunrein: #lrnchat thanks @oxala75
10:02:58 pm urbie: @jkunrein Junel?#lrnchat
10:03:01 pm JaneBozarth: LOL he introduced himself as… RT @Erick1970 Recovering instructional designer🙂 #lrnchat
10:03:04 pm odguru: Sorry to have missed #lrnchat tonight. Looking forward to the transcript!
10:03:07 pm jmarrapodi: @hjarche Thanks. Was looking at Delicious for another newbie group. Got another fav SB tool? This group wants to share ideas too. #lrnchat
10:03:27 pm ethankuniyoshi: Q1) must education and training challenges are complex and dynamic , yet ID is focused on in-the-box solutions #lrnchat
10:03:39 pm tjmeister: @KoreenOlbrish Do you have an avatar on any OpenSim grids? #lrnchat
10:03:47 pm lmockford: RT @gminks I think ADDIE is only bad if it is a checklist. Its a framework, not a design blueprint #lrnchat. — exactly!!
10:03:59 pm ethankuniyoshi: Q1) most education and training challenges are complex and dynamic , yet ID is focused on in-the-box solutions #lrnchat
10:04:13 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth Ha! I often tell people I am a chef in recovery. #lrnchat
10:04:20 pm gminks: @jmarrapodi our class is making a wiki of tools: http://eme6635sum09tools.wikispaces.com/ #lrnchat
10:04:28 pm lrnchat: Thanks everyone. Please remember to submit questions & take alt-hours poll https://lrnchat.wordpress.com
10:04:45 pm JaneBozarth: @nancydevine Love it too but not mine to cc. Gary Woodill got it from a book somewhere, don’t remember right now. #lrnchat
10:04:45 pm jkunrein: @urbie Junel… not sure what you’re asking #lrnchat
10:04:47 pm media1der: @Mary_a_Myers If you like positive deviance, you would enjoy Appreciative Inqiry. #lrnchat
10:04:55 pm tonya_simmons: i’m a recovering journalist turned instructional designer myself #lrnchat
10:05:20 pm jmarrapodi: @tonya_simmons Google Docs was my first thought. Betting most of these folks don’t have an acct. on google…. yet. Will look tho. #lrnchat
10:05:33 pm media1der: @jmarrapodi I need to figure out how to use delicious. #lrnchat
10:05:40 pm Erick1970: well…🙂 #lrnchat
10:05:40 pm urbie: @jkunrein Senior moment.#lrnchat
10:05:43 pm jmarrapodi: @gminks Oh you ROCK. Thanks for that list. #lrnchat
10:05:44 pm hjarche: @jmarrapodi I used several SB over time but returned to delicious – Diigo seems to be better for annotation #lrnchat
10:06:12 pm KoreenOlbrish: @tjmeister I don’t yet, no…I have hippo viewer downloaded, but haven’t played in there yet…I could probably stand for a tour! #lrnchat
10:06:28 pm gminks: @jmarrapodi we are still working on it hope it is helpful🙂 #lrnchat
10:06:29 pm Erick1970: @media1der delicious is a great tool #lrnchat
10:07:12 pm Mary_a_Myers: @media1der hmmm…and here i thought positive deviance was just a funny joke. i’ll check it out! thx #lrnchat
10:07:37 pm spotlearning: Nice list of social media / learning tools – RT @jmarrapodi – http://eme6635sum09tools.wikispaces.com/ #lrnchat
10:07:41 pm Erick1970: @JaneBozarth many years & many volumes of ID work🙂 #lrnchat
10:07:49 pm gminks: @media1der 1. get an account. 2. get the browser plug-in 3. visit pages 4. click the tag button (delicious in 4 steps) #lrnchat
10:07:57 pm tjmeister: @KoreenOlbrish When ready, get an account on http://reactiongrid.com I have experimental regions there. #lrnchat
10:09:03 pm Erick1970: Wishlist: Twitter & delicious integration to save bookmarks from tweets seamlessly. #lrnchat
10:09:13 pm lmockford: RT @tjmeister Perhaps new role, more a learning community manager, a catalyst, rather that traditional ID role #lrnchat. Love this idea!!
10:09:14 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @spotlearning: Nice list of social media / learning tools – RT @jmarrapodi – http://eme6635sum09tools.wikispaces.com/ #lrnchat
10:09:17 pm urbie: @tjmeister Runtime errors. Will try later. Thanks for the link#lrnchat
10:09:21 pm JaneBozarth: @erik1970 @roninchef Had a boss once who said she was a recovering perfectionist #lrnchat
10:09:40 pm KoreenOlbrish: @tjmeister will do! I might DM you for help🙂 #lrnchat
10:09:46 pm roninchef: @media1der Add it to Firefox and start book marking. I use it for capturing links from my Twitter stream for easy review later. #lrnchat
10:09:46 pm ethankuniyoshi: instruction vs. learning–that’s the big probelm with ID. It should be focused on the learner! #duh #lrnchat
10:10:04 pm Mary_a_Myers: RT@spotlearning Nice list of social media / learning tools – RT @jmarrapodi – http://eme6635sum09tools.wikispaces.com/ #lrnchat
10:10:08 pm JaneBozarth: oops forgot to say goodnight to all the fun #lrnchat buds!
10:10:21 pm jkunrein: @Quinnovator and @KoreenOlbrish thanks too… wow, will have to get used to this pace. will put this on my calendar… #lrnchat
10:10:33 pm Erick1970: @ethankuniyoshi or should ID be focused on getting the learner to where the organization needs them to be? #lrnchat
10:10:51 pm gminks: @tjmeister does the reactiongrid only work on hyperv? #lrnchat
10:11:33 pm roninchef: Good night lrnchatters. #lrnchat
10:11:42 pm spotlearning: Goodnight all. Good conversation on #lrnchat tonight. #lrnchat
10:12:02 pm media1der: Learn more about positive deviance in “Soul in the Computer” by Barbara Waugh #lrnchat
10:12:05 pm KoreenOlbrish: Feel like I just started getting my groove on & the party’s over;) Will look for the transcript & thnx for all the smarts tonight! #lrnchat
10:12:18 pm jkunrein: #lrnchat see you next week!
10:12:41 pm ethankuniyoshi: @KoreenOlbrish agree, i got in late as well…looks like it was a good one. #lrnchat
10:12:48 pm Mary_a_Myers: good night all! thanks for another great convo…gotta a lot to check out. #lrnchat
10:13:21 pm gminks: that went fast! Goodnight all!! #lrnchat

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