Transcript of #lrnchat for 07/02/09

8:30:06 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat #lrnchat starting now! (hoping twitter can handle the load tonite)
8:30:31 pm jaygoldman: Joining the #lrnchat in a few minutes – can’t wait!
8:30:55 pm gmstoner: excited for #lrnchat
8:31:11 pm KoreenOlbrish: and time! fingers crossed i don’t jinx tonight’s #lrnchat
8:31:22 pm lrnchat: Welcome everyone to #lrnchat. How’ve you been? Q0 warm up after the rules.
8:31:49 pm lrnchat: #lrnchat rules: 1) Introduce yourself. (We’ll do this again at the end). Location? Focus? Fave topics?
8:32:07 pm roninchef: Things seem to be going smoothly here tonight for #lrnchat
8:32:14 pm JaneBozarth: I arranged for no celebrities to die today. I can do that on Planet Jane. #lrnchat
8:32:37 pm lrnchat: 2) [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic. A new question will be asked every 20 min or so. If you can, include Q# in related responses.
8:32:38 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks tell more about the web 2.0 class? #lrnchat
8:32:42 pm MariaOD: Sorry non-learning folks, it may get noisy in a bit. I am learnchating! #lrnchat
8:33:03 pm KoreenOlbrish: @JaneBozarth oh thank goodness…i’m glad someone is keeping the celebs alive today… #lrnchat
8:33:04 pm busynessgirl: Teaching math and hacking education in Michigan. #lrnchat
8:33:12 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Mark Oehlert here from Frederick, MD. Current focus is on vacation-starts tomorrow. SoMe & Virtual worlds otherwise
8:33:19 pm lrnchat: 3) on #lrnchat we aim to play nice. Sarcasm, welcome tho.
8:33:23 pm Quinnovator: #lrnchat Clark Quinn of Quinnovation, blog = Learnlets, and geeky about learning and technology. In Walnut Creek, CA
8:33:32 pm roninchef: Mason Masteka, E-Learning developer in Portland, Maine. #lrnchat
8:33:39 pm LearnNuggets: Kevin Thorn here. Work at AutoZone as eLearn dev & lms admin. Focus on interactive learning. Fav is social learning communities #lrnchat
8:33:52 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat kae Colorado instructional design & learner engagement, games, simulations, VWs, AR, ARGs & m-learning ( just learning)
8:34:19 pm tgrevatt: Evening folks, Treena Grevatt, Ottawa – Product Manager Learning Games at the mo. Enjoying exploring SoMe tools too #lrnchat
8:34:24 pm mkfrie: Mark Friedman, Adv Technologies Researcher with emphasis on Web .2.0 tools for learning. #lrnchat
8:34:41 pm JaneBozarth: Jane Bozarth, Raleigh-Durham NC. Rabid learner, author, gubmint worker. Doctor of Learning Stuff. #lrnchat
8:34:42 pm nickfloro: Hi all. Nick, WashX PA, design & develop, learning and teaching via tech. #lrnchat
8:34:56 pm tmiket: #lrnchat Mike Taylor Learning designer/developer in Columbus, OH
8:35:04 pm KoreenOlbrish: Koreen Olbrish, west of Philly, games, virtual worlds, simulations for learning. Also, a Wii dancing champion (ask my 7 yo) #lrnchat
8:35:04 pm gminks: I’m Gina. Work at #EMC, in the instructional systems master’s program @ FSU, I’m outside Boston, into SoME & tech/corp ed #lrnchat
8:35:08 pm jmarrapodi: #lrnchat Jean Marrapodi, Applestar Productions here from Providence, RI where we have lots of coffee & lots more rain.
8:35:08 pm gmstoner: ##lrnchat Matt Stoner instructional technology and interaction programmer Univ of Arizona
8:35:09 pm JaneBozarth: HAPPY BIRTHDAY, @marciamarcia ! #lrnchat
8:35:10 pm moehlert: @MariaOD Thx for the reminder-sorry followers but #lrnchat will be my buzz word until about 10:00 PM EDT (90 mins) Feel free to join in!
8:35:13 pm lrnchat: 4) 5min before end, tell us if you need anything from the other #lrnchat participants. Time to reintroduce yourself, too. Links welcome.
8:35:16 pm jaygoldman: Jay Goldman from Rypple. I head up our Social Media and Marketing programs. Looking forward to meeting the #lrnchat community!
8:35:33 pm Quinnovator: #lrnchat wow, great group here! thrilled to have you
8:35:34 pm marciamarcia: Marcia Conner, Virginia-based. @lrnchat alter-ego & comoderator of this shindig. Great to see you all! #lrnchat
8:35:38 pm LearnNuggets: @JaneBozarth Thanks Planet Jane…no celebs die tonight🙂 #lrnchat
8:35:47 pm dbolen: RT @dbolen: Don Bolen, Atlanta learning designer project manager #lrnchat d’oh
8:35:58 pm KoreenOlbrish: can we sing in #lrnchat? Happy Bday, @marciamarcia ! #lrnchat
8:36:16 pm rpannoni: Rob Pannoni (Silicon Valley) – enterprise learning and technology consultant, Razor Learning http://bit.ly/EF9Ks #lrnchat
8:36:18 pm LearnNuggets: RT @KoreenOlbrish: can we sing in #lrnchat? Happy Bday, @marciamarcia ! #lrnchat
8:36:19 pm lrnchat: 5) When writing in, complete thoughts help followers outside chat learn from you. #lrnchat
8:36:21 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth its reminding me of the #cck08 class – 30 students (masters + phd), reading shirky & the produsage book. #lrnchat
8:36:41 pm Quinnovator: @KoreenOlbrish I can’t sing anywhere, but agree with the sentiment, Happy BDay to Marcia #lrnchat
8:36:41 pm gminks: RT @KoreenOlbrish: can we sing in #lrnchat? Happy Bday, @marciamarcia ! #lrnchat
8:36:49 pm marciamarcia: @KoreenOlbrish OK, that was weird (in a good way) Koreen. Right after I read what you said, my computer made a little sound. Really #lrnchat
8:36:50 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: can we sing in #lrnchat? Happy Bday, @marciamarcia ! #lrnchat …and many more!!!
8:37:01 pm oxala75: what? it’s @marciamarcia’s bday? #lrnchat
8:37:03 pm lrnchat: 6) Periodically RT questions so others outside #lrnchat know what you’re talking about and can chime in.
8:37:14 pm joe_deegan: #lrnchat I’m Joe the Instructional Designer from Sacramento. I’m into anything Training and Dev. Have to leave early tonight unfortunately.
8:37:25 pm lrnchat: 7) Remember to include the #lrnchat in all posts. http://tweetchat.com and http://tweetgrid.com can automate 4u.
8:37:43 pm roninchef: @marciamarcia Happy, happy as we say in my family. #lrnchat
8:37:47 pm KoreenOlbrish: @marciamarcia ha! your computer channeling my lovely singing voice?🙂 #lrnchat
8:37:57 pm AlwaysBreaking: #lrnchat Gary Hegenbart, training/elearning developer in Sonoma County, CA. First lrnchat, looking forward to it.
8:38:01 pm odguru: Christy 3rd#lrnchat. Own and operate a SoMe network 4 OD – mult. types of mentoring, knowledge transfer, communities of practice, scorecard
8:38:45 pm jsuzcampos: @jsuzcampos, instructional designer, small business owner, southern new hampshire #LRNCHAT
8:38:54 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our weekly #lrnchat welcome, now also @lrn2day) What have you learned today? If nothing fabulous, what have you learned this week?
8:38:56 pm lrnchat: @joe_deegan Thanks for being here at least a little of the time.
8:38:59 pm joe_deegan: #lrnchat @AlwaysBreaking my first time too. Timing never works out for me.
8:39:05 pm jaygoldman: Happy birthday @marciamarcia! We’re singing in #lrnchat.
8:39:30 pm odguru: Christy 3rd #lrnchat. Own & operate a SoMe network 4 OD – mult. types of mentoring, knowledge transfer, communities of practice, scorecards
8:39:42 pm lrnchat: Tonight’s #lrnchat theme is feedback, reflection & review. Several people from http://rypple.com are joining us. Q1 in a sec.
8:39:49 pm marciamarcia: Last Thu night I was stuck somewhere over Lake Erie for 5 hs (2hr flight) and can’t begin to express how much I missed you all! #lrnchat
8:39:58 pm oxala75: i learned that perhaps Twitter apps are the best way to ease newbies into Twitter use. #lrnchat
8:40:05 pm jmarrapodi: @AlwaysBreaking Hi Gary. Glad you’re here. #lrnchat
8:40:12 pm dbolen: @AlwaysBreaking welcome aboard #lrnchat
8:40:12 pm gminks: I learned how to write a business based email when I wanted to flame. And it was hard for me, thk goodness for mentors #lrnchat
8:40:19 pm LearnNuggets: Q0 Learned that Sr.Ldrshp is scared of social media in the workplace. Those who aren’t, want total control #lrnchat
8:40:23 pm jmarrapodi: @marciamarcia Fireworks of happiness to you on your birthday. #lrnchat
8:40:25 pm MariaOD: Q0 Task analysis is the heart of it all. I’ve been saved by it this week. I love this process. Yes, I am a geek. #lrnchat
8:40:29 pm lrnchat: Q1: How are you using social media to get feedback & insights into your learning programs? Ideas you haven’t tried yet welcome too. #lrnchat
8:40:46 pm AlwaysBreaking: #lrnchat @joe_deegan yeah, same hear. I’m working late, so I’ll trying to keep up. and
8:40:52 pm Quinnovator: #lrnchat #lrn2day learned about the Satir change model http://bit.ly/FaUp6
8:40:57 pm odguru: Learning about cognitive task analysis. Trying to go from the simple to the complex and back to the “wisdom side” of simple. #lrnchat
8:41:01 pm JaneBozarth: Learned about new study showing hope that stem cells reduces memory loss in Alzh. patients #lrnchat
8:41:18 pm LearnNuggets: Q1 That’s just it…still trying to get social media “in” in order to get feedback “out” #lrnchat
8:41:42 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat skeptical instructors can be lead to use d.volver http://www.dvolver.com/live/home.html if you are very patient.
8:41:49 pm jsuzcampos: Q1, I have used WIKIs as ways to review colleagues’ work and provide open/public feedback #LRNCHAT
8:41:56 pm rpannoni: I learned how to create a WordPress template. Picking up a little PHP along the way. #lrnchat
8:41:56 pm Quinnovator: @marciamarcia sympathize, I’ve missed several due to a flurry of travel, glad to be back! #lrnchat
8:42:05 pm lrnchat: Just posted poll on https://lrnchat.wordpress.com abt 2nd #lrnchat time. Mostly trying to reach EU, but some of you might be interested too.
8:42:11 pm jmarrapodi: I learned I should have created e-mail rules a long time ago. Manages reading so well. #lrnchat
8:42:15 pm LearnNuggets: link to study? RT @JaneBozarth: Learned about new study showing hope that stem cells reduces memory loss in Alzh. patients #lrnchat
8:42:19 pm gminks: Q1 we are getting some feedback from our certification community, but nothing structured: http://tinyurl.com/otxv4g #lrnchat
8:42:45 pm joe_deegan: #lrnchat Learned about visual design mistakes and where animation can go wrong. http://tinyurl.com/n4qepz
8:42:49 pm JaneBozarth: @quinnovator I have a friend who did all the Satir training years ago– loved it #lrnchat
8:43:03 pm roninchef: I learned about the Orton Effect to make images look like they are from and old filmstrip. #lrnchat
8:43:15 pm dbolen: Q1 have use LinkedIn discussions for design/program feedback #lrnchat
8:43:18 pm Quinnovator: #lrnchat Q1: using shared docs (e.g. wikis) as ways to not only collaborate, but to get comments and revie
8:43:29 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat big twitter push during inhouse conference, wiki setup after inhouse conference – SoMe 4 feedback – okay results.
8:43:44 pm AlwaysBreaking: #lrnchat RE Q1: We don’t use SM at work, I’ll occasionally post something on Twitter. Mostly use email w/in company, it still works.
8:44:00 pm Dave_Ferguson: Psst, new lrnchatters: if you haven’t used TweetChat,it follows 1 hashtag…and adds it automatically to your tweets. #lrnchat
8:44:05 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth didn’t know there was training, but a useful model for sure #lrnchat
8:44:09 pm jmarrapodi: @roninchef What’s the Orton effect? #lrnchat
8:44:12 pm gminks: @roninchef that making images look old thing sounds cool.🙂 #lrnchat
8:44:19 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q1: same as @quinnovator have used SP and wikis to solicit feedback, but usually in review stages #lrnchat
8:44:23 pm JaneBozarth: RT @roninchef I learned about the Orton Effect to make images look like they are from an old filmstrip. #lrnchat
8:44:30 pm rpannoni: RT @Quinnovator: #lrnchat #lrn2day learned about the Satir change model http://bit.ly/FaUp6 – I like this. Thx for sharing.
8:44:34 pm LearnNuggets: Q1 Use Twitter & LinkedIN primarily to share among colleagues, but really want to use social media to tap into workforce #lrnchat
8:45:18 pm odguru: @MariaOD Hey! You & I are singing from the same song book! Good stuff. Have you been looking at http://tinyurl.com/nun9pw? #lrnchat
8:45:20 pm Quinnovator: #lrnchat Q1: someone reminded me that I blog and tweet conferences, including reflections on my own preso, and get comments back
8:45:22 pm bschlenker: Hi #lrnchat – was diverted by Chickens declaring mutiny on the rabbit. Search is over. Rabbit found. Crisis over – Good times!
8:45:31 pm MariaDroujkova: #lrnchat #Q1 Did an #iranelection and hex color activity with my 5yo math club – mixed results, will do again http://1ps.us/fhve6d
8:45:37 pm JaneBozarth: @learnnuggets link to alzhimer’s study is http://tinyurl.com/ll4pbs #lrnchat
8:45:43 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Q1: Not there yet. Students providing feedback via SoMe will prob be last frontier
8:45:46 pm joe_deegan: #lrnchat Social Media is unheard of outside of my office door. Mostly email but trying to change things slowly.
8:45:47 pm LearnNuggets: @jmarrapodi @roninchef Orton Effect is like putting a grainy and scratchy look to photos with sepia tones to make them look old #lrnchat
8:46:04 pm LearnNuggets: Thanks! RT @JaneBozarth: @learnnuggets link to alzhimers study is http://tinyurl.com/ll4pbs #lrnchat
8:46:10 pm roninchef: @jmarrapodi http://bit.ly/fypqe I am making a video and it breaks into a filmstrip segment w/music #lrnchat
8:46:24 pm JaneBozarth: @quinnovator yes V. Satir used to do workshops, certifications, etc I don’t know if still — #lrnchat
8:46:29 pm MariaOD: Q1-Trying out Yammer inside the org to gain feedback on elearning module drafts..slow going #lrnchat a lot of potential for collaboration.
8:46:32 pm KoreenOlbrish: Q1 have used SP and wikis to solicit feedback, but only in review stages, not final project review #lrnchat
8:46:32 pm jsuzcampos: i have also used voice threads as ways to review work and provide feedback. promotes collaboration and revision. #LRNCHAT
8:46:38 pm tmiket: Q1 Trying to get some traction with a Ning site for feedback. Jury is DEF still out. #lrnchat
8:46:42 pm marciamarcia: Interesting to watch tweets after programs, too (thru enterprise tools if org uses). Not just 1-way either, you can ask, “So??” #lrnchat
8:46:56 pm Dave_Ferguson: Most recent client, prof svcs firm, all wired up but no social media inside firewall. Odd combo. Gotta start where they are. #lrnchat
8:47:04 pm Quinnovator: @bschlenker sounds like easter rebellion! #lrnchat
8:47:18 pm butwait: Holy cats, y’all are tweeting up a storm here! Am I remembering that all these great links get collected/curated somewhere? Or…? #lrnchat
8:47:23 pm oxala75: Q1 @jsuzcampos been toying with this idea myself. #lrnchat
8:47:25 pm marciamarcia: @moehlert Why last frontier? I’ve seen you use SM for feedback… #lrnchat
8:47:27 pm gminks: we (#emc people) tweet ALOT during conferences. #lrnchat
8:47:29 pm LearnNuggets: @MariaOD Just trying to get Yammer on board at work too. Have a bet we can get 500 users by end of July #lrnchat
8:47:39 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q1 also learned that teachers at NECC conf this week tweeted 10x more than ‘learning pros’ from ISPI, ASTD confs combined. #lrnchat
8:47:47 pm jaygoldman: #lrnchat Q1 – we’re seeing lots of interest from teachers and trainers in using Rypple for feedback in the classroom.
8:47:54 pm jmarrapodi: @roninchef Nifty! Will younger gens know what a filmstrip is? #lrnchat
8:48:02 pm jsuzcampos: @Dave_Ferguson, Q1 response: Yes, I have this issue too … classifications concerns, privacy and security with govt clients #LRNCHAT
8:48:03 pm kasey428: I am late. #lrnchat/
8:48:07 pm odguru: Q1 – Creating “quality” learning circles. 5ppl. Learn something, get rated on your application. Rate your raters on their feedback. #lrnchat
8:48:08 pm oxala75: @tmiket would be interested to hear how this works out for you #lrnchat
8:48:10 pm lrnchat: @butwait Yes, we post a transcript after the chat. Consider our time here “serendipity.” No one can read it all!
8:48:12 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth believe she went to the greater workshop circa ’88! #lrnchat
8:48:12 pm jaygoldman: (apologies to all followers who aren’t taking part in #lrnchat — might want to tune me out for a bit🙂
8:48:14 pm RayJimenez: #lrnchat provocative use of social media usually ignite feedback
8:48:20 pm dbolen: @Dave_Ferguson unfortunately more talk from those assoc than action #lrnchat
8:48:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: @butwait Yes, transcripts go on blog: https://lrnchat.wordpress.com/ #lrnchat
8:48:33 pm LearnNuggets: Q1 Learned that if no celebrities die, this here lrnchat goes much faster! #lrnchat
8:48:35 pm JaneBozarth: Q1 at present I am using all of YOU for feedback, etc. LOL #lrnchat
8:48:44 pm Quinnovator: @butwait there’s a transcript recorded at the lrnchat.wordpress.com site #lrnchat
8:48:44 pm mkfrie: Q1 My 50 Questions on LinkedIN have generated more than 450 nice Answers, very useful some of them #lrnchat
8:48:51 pm jaygoldman: @LearnNuggets @MariaOD we’ve tried @yammer but find we all forget to update it #lrnchat
8:48:56 pm marciamarcia: @jaygoldman Have an example of use after a class? Would like to hear about before eduprograms too! #lrnchat
8:48:59 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth🙂 we use you too! #lrnchat
8:49:05 pm MariaOD: @gminks love tweeting during conferences. I won a free ipod shuffle for tweeting a recent conference #lrnchat don’t know if i can keep it!
8:49:16 pm jaygoldman: @butwait the transcript from #lrnchat gets posted to lrnchat.wordpress.com
8:49:18 pm LearnNuggets: LMAO! RT @JaneBozarth: Q1 at present I am using all of YOU for feedback, etc. LOL #lrnchat
8:49:27 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat – hoping SoMe 4 feedback will pick up in workplace in next yr -has 2 right? co-workers just discover Facebook over Xmas break!
8:49:30 pm butwait: @Dave_Ferguson Phew, thanks, that makes me feel better. Now I can just jump in and learn… #lrnchat
8:49:36 pm roninchef: @jmarrapodi The film strip is referenced in a lot of things these days. The movie Dodgeball has one I saw today. #lrnchat
8:49:37 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia #lrnchat Sorry Marcia, was speaking institutionally. We have whole systems built now to collect student feedback…
8:49:48 pm AlwaysBreaking: #lrnchat we are starting an online support community, which will include feedback tools like comments, ratings, polls, etc.
8:49:54 pm marciamarcia: My 50 Questions on LinkedIN have generated more than 450 nice Answers, very useful some of them RT @mkfrie (some of them :-)) #lrnchat
8:49:56 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson well, I held up *my* end, but yes, was also noted that more tweets out of #iel09 (much smaller) than ASTD! #lrnchat
8:50:07 pm KoreenOlbrish: i’m not sure that a lot of SoMe tech is pervasive enough in organizations to use for soliciting org-wide feedback #lrnchat
8:50:11 pm jsuzcampos: @mkfrie I made it! Running on TweetChat, thanks for the invitation! #LRNCHAT
8:50:12 pm Quinnovator: @kasey428 better late than never! #lrnchat
8:50:14 pm JaneBozarth: @dave_ferguson re Q1 teachers tweeting, trainers not. I see that too. Why? #lrnchat
8:50:21 pm gminks: @marciamarcia our org wrote a storage book. We presented it with a tweetchat @ #emcworld, we are asking questions in the community #lrnchat
8:50:23 pm butwait: @jaygoldman Thanks to you, too. #lrnchat
8:50:36 pm tgrevatt: @AlwaysBreaking That’s great – how are you encouraging its use? #lrnchat
8:50:40 pm mkfrie: @marciamarcia At least two or three currently on this LRNCHAT have participated in my Q&A on LinkedIN LOL #lrnchat
8:50:43 pm gminks: so — nothing formal, & we’re still tweaking how we present the questions #lrnchat
8:50:43 pm KoreenOlbrish: maybe it depends on your definition of feedback, or what you are seeking feedback on. performance? projects? policies? #lrnchat
8:50:51 pm joe_deegan: @JaneBozarth Q1 I try to get feedback through twitter early in design. #lrnchat
8:50:59 pm JaneBozarth: @learnnuggets You’d think the celebs would thank me and send gifts for keeping them all alive today #lrnchat
8:51:07 pm jmarrapodi: @roninchef Must be a retro “cool” thing. Must jump on this bandwagon. Love the idea! #lrnchat
8:51:11 pm jaygoldman: @marciamarcia feedback cycle in education is really broken, esp. post-secondary. Takes 6 months for profs to hear from students! #lrnchat
8:51:12 pm kzenovka: RT @RayJimenez: #lrnchat provocative use of social media usually ignite feedback – but Q. 2 everyone are you in a position 2 provide that?
8:51:12 pm marciamarcia: @moehlert Even institutionally, why last frontier? As trainer once said to me, “if they can share in the bathroom, why not here?” #lrnchat
8:51:13 pm busynessgirl: Concert about to restart … That may be all from me tonight! #Lrnchat
8:51:41 pm Dave_Ferguson: 1/2 @JaneBozarth Overgeneralizing: maybe trainers too low, too hierarchical, too used to corp schoolhouse mentality… #lrnchat
8:51:45 pm LearnNuggets: @JaneBozarth You would think so. Just glad your magic worked tonight🙂 #lrnchat
8:51:48 pm jaygoldman: @marciamarcia Lots of interest in quick solutions that provide regular honest feedback during the course instead of all after #lrnchat
8:51:56 pm moehlert: #lrnchat anyone else noticing how much faster the ‘net is tonight vs last week? Sheesh.
8:52:15 pm roninchef: @jmarrapodi Finding the right music is the key. I found some quality stuff this week. #lrnchat
8:52:24 pm oxala75: @joe_deegan who are your sources of feedback? #lrnchat
8:52:24 pm jaygoldman: @gminks what’s a storage book? #lrnchat
8:52:34 pm tgrevatt: @moehlert The speed is bloody marvellous! #lrnchat
8:52:35 pm tmiket: How does f2f feedback compare with online/SoMe feedback? What are your preferences? #lrnchat
8:52:37 pm kasey428: Much faster #lrnchat
8:52:40 pm Dave_Ferguson: 2/2 @JaneBozarth …teachers maybe low status but don’t have entire layers of corp bureaucracy. (But: No Child Left in Peace) #lrnchat
8:52:41 pm mkfrie: @marciamarcia Easier to share feedback in non-threatening situations/locations. Maybe Twitter and Wikis will help! #lrnchat
8:52:58 pm rpannoni: Asking for feedback is “a favor”. Hard to ask users to learn a new tool or go to a site they don’t normally visit to do it. #lrnchat
8:52:58 pm LearnNuggets: RT @moehlert: anyone else noticing how much faster the net is tonight vs last week? @JaneBozarth is keeping celebs from dying🙂 #lrnchat
8:53:00 pm JaneBozarth: Dave_ferguson No, I don’t think overgeneralizing. I see it too. Like the phrase “corp schoolhouse mentality” #lrnchat
8:53:00 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia #lrnchat These feedback systems have now been linked to professor appraisal-the faculty understand the flow & fear changes
8:53:00 pm marciamarcia: @jaygoldman Through channels, often problematic. Barn doors have always been open, though. Hoping we’re helping create more. #lrnchat
8:53:22 pm oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish yeah, that’s my problem, currently (amazingly) #lrnchat
8:53:28 pm Quinnovator: @jaygoldman but that’s fixable! I used to use paper surveys when I taught, feedback at end of course (and now could use SoMe) #lrnchat
8:53:43 pm LearnNuggets: Q1 using Ning and Yammer in workplace. Can’t get past politics to allow social media in training initiatives. Sad. #lrnchat
8:53:44 pm jaygoldman: @KoreenOlbrish We’re kinda myopic in our definition of SoMe. Email can be SoMe if used in the right way. #lrnchat
8:53:47 pm gminks: @jaygoldman my co makes the giant storage arrays (amg other things). the book is abt managing those and other info systems #lrnchat
8:53:49 pm MariaOD: @rpannoni yes, very good point..feedback is a gift…make it easy for the users to give. #lrnchat
8:54:13 pm jwillensky: Whoa. Super late to #lrnchat
8:54:19 pm JaneBozarth: @dave_ferguson and No Teacher Left Standing #lrnchat
8:54:19 pm Quinnovator: RT @rpannoni: Asking for feedback is “favor”. Hard to ask users to lrn new tool or go to site they don’t normally visit to do it. #lrnchat
8:54:23 pm gminks: more about the book: https://community.emc.com/docs/DOC-3454 #lrnchat
8:54:41 pm KoreenOlbrish: i will say, #leef2009 used their Ning site to collect session feedback. totally brilliant #lrnchat
8:54:44 pm jaygoldman: @rpannoni the advisers need to get benefit from providing the feedback as well #lrnchat
8:54:46 pm tmiket: #lrnchat Not everyone actually wants the feedback. Say they do but really don’t . It’s just the right thing to say.
8:54:58 pm MariaDroujkova: @odguru Quality learning circles cf. “Nakama” http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Nakama #lrnchat
8:55:07 pm marciamarcia: So back to @KoreenOlbrish question (Q1b?): what sorts of feedback are we talking about? Let’s talk about more than afterthefact. #lrnchat
8:55:13 pm butwait: @jwillensky Welcome; I was late, too! #lrnchat
8:55:22 pm JaneBozarth: @learnnuggets @markoehlert I’m thinking Jeff Goldblum could at least call. #lrnchat
8:55:23 pm odguru: RT: @KoreenOlbrish …not sure SoMe tech is pervasive enough… to use for soliciting org-wide feedback #lrnchat <<Project-based works best
8:55:25 pm jaygoldman: @moehlert feedback tied to pay-for-performance is dangerous. Encourages gaming the system rather than actually helping #lrnchat
8:55:33 pm LearnNuggets: @Quinnovator @rpannoni Agree. users too busy and resist change especially if new software is inserted into an already hectic day #lrnchat
8:55:34 pm oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish hm, i'm going to have to look into that. sad i couldn't make it (to #leef2009) #lrnchat
8:55:35 pm Dave_Ferguson: @tmiket True re FB. Everyone also wants your input, unless you strongly disagree. #lrnchat
8:55:42 pm moehlert: @jwillensky #lrnchat and don't think we didn't notice!
8:55:49 pm LearnNuggets: RT @JaneBozarth: @learnnuggets @markoehlert Im thinking Jeff Goldblum could at least call. Haaaaa! #lrnchat
8:56:03 pm marciamarcia: Not everyone actually wants feedback. Say they do but really don't. It's just the right thing to say. RT @tmiket #lrnchat
8:56:14 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Awesome. I wonder what the percent giving feedback was?
8:56:20 pm KoreenOlbrish: i think social media has the potential to build a "feedback culture" in organizations…if that's what they really want🙂 #lrnchat
8:56:25 pm kasey428: My company doesn't see the value of social networking. Period. "The message must be controlled." That is a quote. #lrnchat
8:56:25 pm jaygoldman: @Quinnovator true, but often low response rates and incumbent on each teacher to do themselves, collect, aggregate, etc. #lrnchat
8:56:28 pm jwillensky: @moehlert There's no such thing as bad publicity. #lrnchat
8:56:40 pm tgrevatt: @marciamarcia Yup, also need feedback as course progresses so that (minor) adjustments can be made if needed #lrnchat
8:56:45 pm LearnNuggets: Q1b Feedback during development, design, and implementation #lrnchat
8:56:55 pm jaygoldman: @gminks who's the audience for the book? sounds interesting. #lrnchat
8:57:03 pm jwillensky: @butwait Why, thank you! #lrnchat
8:57:10 pm oxala75: @marciamarcia lately, i feel like my org needs more in-depth user experience feedback. #lrnchat
8:57:13 pm gminks: RT @tgrevatt: @marciamarcia Yup, also need feedback as course progresses so that (minor) adjustments can be made if needed #lrnchat
8:57:29 pm MariaOD: @kasey428 We just introduced a SoMe policy, although verbiage is tame, it curve use immediatley. Even for me! #lrnchat
8:57:30 pm LearnNuggets: @KoreenOlbrish Q1b Yes, a 'feedback culture' is good, but it will only generate from the users up, not from the top down. #lrnchat
8:57:33 pm gminks: @jaygoldman anyone intersted in managing info systems and storage systems #lrnchat
8:57:33 pm JaneBozarth: Not everyone actually wants feedback. Say they do but really don't. It's just the right thing to say. RT @tmiket #lrnchat
8:57:36 pm butwait: My students seem to like the sense that their feedback makes a difference; might change the "framing" of my year-end ??'s to them. #lrnchat
8:57:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q1b: I like the Ten Steps distinction bet cognitive FB (how you did, higher skills) and corrective FB (what's wrong w procedural) #lrnchat
8:57:38 pm odguru: RT @jaygoldman @moehlert feedback tied 2 pay-for-performance is dangerous< Makes 4 "you scratch mine" scheming. Like pay4Perf 360s..#lrnchat
8:57:41 pm Quinnovator: @jaygoldman indeed, documented problems with wrongly phrased objectives #lrnchat
8:57:51 pm roninchef: @LearnNuggets Now I have heard the ADDIE model is dead😉 #lrnchat
8:58:12 pm MariaOD: Twitter is on MACH speed tonight #lrnchat!
8:58:20 pm tmiket: @KoreenOlbrish …if that's what they really want🙂..as in be careful what you ask for LOL! #lrnchat
8:58:21 pm bschlenker: RT @roninchef: @LearnNuggets Now I have heard the ADDIE model is dead😉 #lrnchat
8:58:23 pm KoreenOlbrish: @LearnNuggets but i think the users will be more likely to give feedback if they have the tools to do so #lrnchat
8:58:26 pm JaneBozarth: "Feedback" often means, say nice things. Like "Teamwork" often means, do what I want.🙂 #lrnchat
8:58:29 pm gminks: oh here we go…. RT @roninchef: @LearnNuggets Now I have heard the ADDIE model is dead😉 #lrnchat
8:58:37 pm Quinnovator: @kasey428 you know, they don’t control phone/water cooler/hallway conversations, what do they think is different? the record? #lrnchat
8:58:46 pm LearnNuggets: @roninchef Not yet, but ADDIE is dying a slow death #lrnchat
8:58:52 pm mkfrie: Let’s not jiinx the speed, seems to fade in and out on my tweetgrid. #lrnchat
8:58:53 pm AlwaysBreaking: #lrnchat For ILT in-person, the instructor gets feedback in real-time – are students awake? engage? participating?
8:58:54 pm Dave_Ferguson: @roninchef Re ADDIE, remember Faulker: the past isn’t dead. It isn’t even past. #lrnchat
8:58:56 pm jaygoldman: @kasey428 kinda reminds me of dinosaurs with their heads in the sand. Maybe if we shut our eyes it will all go away? #lrnchat
8:59:03 pm JaneBozarth: Well maybe but ADDIE is not a celebrity and I doubt she’ll break the internet like MJ did. #lrnchat
8:59:06 pm Quinnovator: @jaygoldman students don’t get a grade until they turn in an eval sheet😉 #lrnchat
8:59:11 pm starsandfrogs: RT @RayJimenez: #lrnchat provocative use of social media usually ignite feedback
8:59:38 pm LearnNuggets: @KoreenOlbrish Agreed. We can provide tools, but if they don’t attract to them they prove useless. Social Media ‘is’ user-generated #lrnchat
8:59:42 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator I’ve worked in more than 1 environment in the last year where water/breaks ARE controlled. #lrnchat
8:59:44 pm KoreenOlbrish: @tmiket i ran out of characters to type that…but exactly😉 #lrnchat
8:59:49 pm oxala75: [rimshot] RT @JaneBozarth: Well maybe but ADDIE is not a celebrity and I doubt she’ll break the internet like MJ did. #lrnchat
8:59:51 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: Not everyone actually wants feedback. Say they do but really don’t. It’s just the right thing to say. RT @tmiket #lrnchat
8:59:57 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat may be a credibility issue – does the org have a history of saying they want feedback, people spend time giving it & then nothing?
9:00:00 pm jaygoldman: @butwait very empowering to feel like you’ve made a difference to the course as it progresses rather than feeling useless @ end #lrnchat
9:00:04 pm JaneBozarth: @dave_ferguson It took me 3 tweets to realize FB means ‘feedback’, not “facebook”. #lrnchat
9:00:07 pm tmiket: @JaneBozarth You must know the people on MY projects! LOL! #lrnchat
9:00:11 pm LearnNuggets: Ouch! RT @Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Ive worked in more than 1 environment in the last year where water/breaks ARE controlled. #lrnchat
9:00:13 pm roninchef: @LearnNuggets I think it is still applicable. It is how you are doing it that changes. #lrnchat
9:00:15 pm tmiket: RT @JaneBozarth: “Feedback” often means, say nice things. Like “Teamwork” often means, do what I want.🙂 #lrnchat
9:00:21 pm gminks: I don’t understand how we can be talking about feedback & saying ADDIE is dead. But I’m still a student.🙂 #lrnchat
9:00:23 pm moehlert: @odguru #lrnchat Um…yes.🙂
9:00:30 pm saurabhg: @gminks any plans for Captiva Certification? #lrnchat
9:00:38 pm jsuzcampos: Disagree that ADDIE is dead. A powerful framework for meaningful learning that must respond to the times in order to be relevant. #LRNCHAT
9:00:44 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth ME TOO (re FB) #lrnchat
9:01:00 pm AlwaysBreaking: #lrnchat Sad to say I have duck out of my first lrnchat early. I’ll try to catch up tomorrow. Have fun, and learn.
9:01:07 pm jsuzcampos: @gminks You should take my course on ISD Assessment and Evaluation!🙂 #LRNCHAT
9:01:13 pm jwillensky: @JaneBozarth I thought “be proactive” meant “do what I want.” #lrnchat
9:01:31 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks For some, ADDIE’s a bad word, like email or lecture. #lrnchat
9:01:34 pm jaygoldman: @Quinnovator feedback by extortion! I like it🙂 #lrnchat
9:01:37 pm kasey428: @jaygoldman, Clueless. I see where our instructors, students, marketing, and enterprise could benefit, but there is fear. #lrnchat
9:01:44 pm LearnNuggets: @roninchef Yes, but ADDIE is old school and doesn’t necessarily fit in some dev models today with user engagement and interaction #lrnchat
9:01:51 pm MariaOD: Hey, dont say ID is dead–just got my bill for grad school for MED in Instructional design #lrnchat @gminks
9:02:04 pm jaygoldman: @kasey428 is there a possibility of doing something small scale without permission and then showing the results? #lrnchat
9:02:05 pm gminks: @jsuzcampos my instructors would kill me if I said it was dead — although we study more than ADDIE #lrnchat
9:02:05 pm butwait: A friend of mine used to say to stu. “Don’t just say, ‘You suck.’ Say, ‘You suck in this manner…’ ” #lrnchat
9:02:11 pm jwillensky: Why can’t ADDIE be part of a learning toolkit? Of course, I missed the question… #lrnchat
9:02:15 pm tgrevatt: Students respond really well when changes are made based on their constructive FB, but need guidance to give good FB #lrnchat
9:02:17 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jwillensky No, proactive means “do what I WILL want.” #lrnchat
9:02:35 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat – ever been @ focus groups or meeting; they ask u 4 feedback & u know they’re not going 2 do anything w/ it -psuedo-participation
9:02:53 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson as regular workday thing? Other than an assembly line or call center (can you say automate), sounds regressive! #lrnchat
9:02:56 pm jwillensky: @Dave_Ferguson Whoa. So it’s like a command from the future? Intense. #lrnchat
9:02:57 pm roninchef: @LearnNuggets Really? How? I think rapid development lends itself better to ADDIE than older ways of developing. #lrnchat
9:03:01 pm marciamarcia: Hearing need for: in-depth user experience feedback, comments during learning programs (so can be tweaked), focus grps. What else? #lrnchat
9:03:02 pm oxala75: @kasey428 been trying so hard for the last few minutes not to ask you where you work. #lrnchat
9:03:07 pm gminks: @LearnNuggets but ADDIE wasn’t meant to be prescriptive. Its just a model, you mold it to the environment #lrnchat
9:03:13 pm tmiket: RE: ADDIE activities still valid. It’s just not so neat and sequential in reality at least for me. #lrnchat
9:03:16 pm jennystaley: RT @lrnchat check out http://rypple.com, Interesting stuff w/ fab learning implications.
9:03:17 pm LearnNuggets: @MariaOD @gminks ID isn’t dead, just the ADDIE model is not used as widely as before #lrnchat
9:03:25 pm butwait: @kzenovka Yes, exactly. You get better feedback if those giving it sense/know that it will truly make a difference. #lrnchat
9:03:27 pm jaygoldman: @kzenovka that must be one of the fastest ways to kill people’s willingness to provide fb. Don’t ask if you don’t want it. #lrnchat
9:03:34 pm Quinnovator: RT @kzenovka: #lrnchat may be credibility issue – does org have history of saying they want feedback, people give it, & then nothing?
9:03:47 pm MariaOD: @tmiket ADDIE still works for me. #lrnchat
9:03:49 pm dbolen: re ADDIE, a model may be wrong but still useful, forget the author of the quote #lrnchat
9:04:01 pm KoreenOlbrish: i love how we went from feedback to reflecting on ADDIE and the state of ID🙂 #lrnchat
9:04:10 pm gminks: @marciamarcia easy access to experts. For me in tech ed that would be awesome.. #lrnchat
9:04:22 pm tgrevatt: Also need to remember to respect anonymity for some FB too, otherwise risk of non-honest FB. Don’t ‘out’ the messenger! #lrnchat
9:04:28 pm lrnchat: Q2 coming in 2 minutes. Also feedback related, but going deeper.
9:04:30 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Oh, and ADDIE isn’t dead, its just a production model. Nothing to do with learning inherently.
9:04:40 pm jwillensky: Showed up too late to catch the question, but I agree with @gminks. #lrnchat
9:04:46 pm kasey428: Feedback: some, not all, are more concerned about whether the instructors are liked, not if the students learn. #lrnchat
9:04:49 pm oxala75: ADDIE would work for me. Lately, I do (a)DDI(e). #lrnchat
9:04:52 pm mkfrie: We always get to the ID and ADDIE piece of LRNCHAT, right @KoreenOlbrish LOL #lrnchat
9:04:54 pm LearnNuggets: @gminks I agree. Maybe it’s cuz I’m stubborn, but ADDIE is a model that needs to evolve. Restrictive in some cases. #lrnchat
9:04:59 pm jwillensky: RT @moehlert: #lrnchat Oh, and ADDIE isn’t dead, its just a production model. Nothing to do with learning inherently.
9:05:03 pm Dave_Ferguson: Feedback’s bad when it’s seen as an arrow and not as a circuit. And that’s management’s fault. #lrnchat
9:05:06 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert but ID might be dead (or dying..)…just sayin’😉 #lrnchat
9:05:12 pm JaneBozarth: My third book is loosely based on ADDIE. I’ll keep one celebrity alive for every copy sold. #lrnchat
9:05:13 pm LearnNuggets: Ha! I like it. RT @oxala75: ADDIE would work for me. Lately, I do (a)DDI(e). #lrnchat
9:05:16 pm jaygoldman: @marciamarcia I’d add timeliness and regularity to that. Ask as close to the event as possible and ask regularly to measure change #lrnchat
9:05:21 pm marciamarcia: @gminks Clarification: using the tech to reach tech ed experts, or using tech ed to reach experts? #lrnchat
9:05:23 pm gminks: @KoreenOlbrish @Learnnuggets started it!! (ADDIE)🙂 #lrnchat
9:05:31 pm butwait: @tgrevatt Great point re: respecting the value of anonymity. 1 small sch. I work w/ really has probs w/ eval the head b/c of this. #lrnchat
9:05:47 pm Dave_Ferguson: If you take a drink of Cotes-du-Rhone each time lrnchat sez ADDIE, you’ll be in a much more collegial mood. #lrnchat
9:05:57 pm mkfrie: @JaneBozarth Now that was a cute comment. I vote for it as long as it keeps our chatting speedy #lrnchat
9:05:59 pm tgrevatt: @kasey428 LoL, I’d rather be disliked and have competent students! Sometimes it takes yrs before they get it. #lrnchat
9:06:16 pm butwait: RT @JaneBozarth: My third book is loosely based on ADDIE. Ill keep one celebrity alive for every copy sold. (hee hee hee!) #lrnchat
9:06:29 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Preach on sister. A slow, twisting fade toward irrelevance….
9:06:39 pm jaygoldman: @Dave_Ferguson like marketing before the web and after SoMe. 2 way vs 1 way #lrnchat
9:06:40 pm KoreenOlbrish: .@butwait yes, great point about anonymity…goes against the model for SoMe, but important for feedback… #lrnchat
9:06:49 pm gminks: @LearnNuggets have you ever seen the Seels &Glasglow model? Its a modified ADDIE: http://tinyurl.com/kkyepm #lrnchat
9:07:01 pm bschlenker: RT @dbolen: re ADDIE, a model may be wrong but still useful, forget the author of the quote #lrnchat
9:07:11 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson how long was it going to take before someone came up with a #lrnchat drinking game. Now we know.
9:07:17 pm lrnchat: Q2: What’s wrong with current feedback systems that SoMe could fix?
9:07:19 pm Dave_Ferguson: @tgrevatt I see your point, but in my clients’ world, I don’t get paid much for “years till they get it.” #lrnchat
9:07:23 pm JaneBozarth: RT @ butwait: A friend of mine used to say to stu. “Don’t just say, ‘You suck.’ Say, ‘You suck in this manner…’ ” #lrnchat
9:07:24 pm tgrevatt: @butwait So true – sometimes the demographic q’s really give it away (turns me off from the surveys) #lrnchat
9:07:26 pm gminks: @marciamarcia using tech to reach tech experts during technical courses.🙂 #lrnchat
9:07:36 pm bschlenker: RT @KoreenOlbrish: i love how we went from feedback to reflecting on ADDIE and the state of ID🙂 #lrnchat Me 2😉
9:07:37 pm LearnNuggets: @gminks No, but thanks for the link #lrnchat
9:07:39 pm rpannoni: RT @KoreenOlbrish: “Social media has the potential to build a feedback culture..” The holy grail – true org change. #lrnchat
9:07:50 pm oxala75: @gminks interesting… #lrnchat
9:07:52 pm Quinnovator: RT @tgrevatt: need to remember to respect anonymity for some FB too, otherwise risk of non-honest FB. Don’t ‘out’ the messenger! #lrnchat
9:07:56 pm jaygoldman: @KoreenOlbrish @butwait anonymity is central to Rypple, but we wrestle w/implications constantly #lrnchat
9:08:36 pm rpannoni: RT @kasey428: “The message must be controlledThat is a quote. #lrnchat
9:09:06 pm odguru: Lrners arent always sure what lrng is valuable 4 job -changes 2 fast. Underlines importance of creating stuff that’s LIFE relevant. #lrnchat
9:09:08 pm kzenovka: @tgrevatt #lrnchat taking about a yr 4 SoMe – had people come up 2 me last wk & apologize 4 being skeptical last yr, telling me use it now
9:09:21 pm moehlert: RT @rpannoni: RT @KoreenOlbrish: “Social media has the potential to build a feedback culture..” The holy grail – true org change. #lrnchat
9:09:22 pm tgrevatt: @Dave_Ferguson Indeedy – I was lamenting my time as a college prof. Students wanted teach to test, alas. #lrnchat
9:09:25 pm oxala75: the fed govt org i work for is getting into internal feedback. They’re doing rather well, but just not debating anonymity. #lrnchat
9:09:35 pm KoreenOlbrish: @jaygoldman the balance of accountability, credibility, and anonymity totally at odds for feedback-tough to bridge with any medium. #lrnchat
9:09:54 pm LearnNuggets: So, how do you get a user-generated social media feedback culture off the ground when all efforts thus far prove slow going? #lrnchat
9:09:58 pm Dave_Ferguson: @rpannoni Re “must be controlled” — I saw a remark about “policing the learning” today. #lrnchat
9:10:04 pm marciamarcia: @gminks Gets at Q2: rather than thinking about reengineering existing (often broken) feedback systems, use SM to create new. #lrnchat
9:10:33 pm rpannoni: RT @kasey428: “The message must be controlled” – Can’t be done. Always a water cooler. SoMe allows the org to participate. #lrnchat
9:10:34 pm butwait: @LearnNuggets Convert the head honcho? #lrnchat
9:10:34 pm jaygoldman: @KoreenOlbrish very true. Anonymity seems to encourages abuse, though we actually get few complaints. #lrnchat
9:10:40 pm gminks: my company has a strong SoMe culture, my org (edu) is one of the slow adopters. SIGH. But, I keep trying. #lrnchat
9:10:45 pm marciamarcia: How do you get a user-generated SM feedback culture off the ground when all efforts thus far prove slow going? RT @LearnNuggets #lrnchat
9:11:01 pm moehlert: @oxala75 #lrnchat Srsly. “Non-attribution” is not an option in Fed/DOD
9:11:17 pm LearnNuggets: RT @butwait: @LearnNuggets Convert the head honcho? Yes, but 10 sub-head honcho levels to plow through #lrnchat
9:11:19 pm jaygoldman: @LearnNuggets what’s the benefit to the users? Risk of investing time/effort has to be < reward #lrnchat
9:11:25 pm gminks: @LearnNuggets executive buy-in. Someone up high has to embrace it and champion it. #lrnchat
9:11:47 pm tgrevatt: RT @butwait: @LearnNuggets Convert the head honcho?:Classic ISO 9001! Top management buy-in and commitment is crucial (for so much) #lrnchat
9:11:47 pm Quinnovator: #lrnchat Q2: current feedback can be superficial (think: review forms): *can* make more immediate, personal, and relevant with SoMe
9:11:58 pm KoreenOlbrish: @jaygoldman but i wonder if ppl are more honest when anonymous? why don't we value ppl who give good, honest feedback? #lrnchat
9:12:04 pm kzenovka: @LearnNuggets #lrnchat – patience we're learner whispering here.
9:12:07 pm oxala75: @LearnNuggets prove that that avenue yields results (i know, easier said than done) #lrnchat
9:12:31 pm rpannoni: Is ADDIE dead would be another good #lrnchat discussion question.
9:12:32 pm kasey428: @gminks, my exec. director and I push everyday. Often must ask for forgiveness rather than permission. #lrnchat
9:12:33 pm moehlert: @LearnNuggets @LearnNuggets #lrnchat An org's culture is based on truth. Gotta change the truth to change the culture. Can't be surface.
9:12:40 pm Dave_Ferguson: @marciamarcia (1) don't call it "sm feedback" in public, (2) dress it in org-acceptable garb: getting eval comments from students. #lrnchat
9:12:47 pm butwait: @jaygoldman And it's not just the risk of time/energy, but the perceived risk of losing control. (which is illusory anyway) #lrnchat
9:12:55 pm jaygoldman: @KoreenOlbrish ppl are definitely more honest when they can hide their identity. Makes diff convos easier & removes stigma #lrnchat
9:13:03 pm gminks: SoMe makes sense as feedback – but the tracking question will come up. Can you track with SoMe like you can surveys. #lrnchat
9:13:05 pm joe_deegan: #lrnchat best feedback is found through evaluation
9:13:07 pm JaneBozarth: Is the problem with the word "feedback"? Can we find something else to call it? #lrnchat
9:13:16 pm Dave_Ferguson: @KoreenOlbrish We tend to value people who give good honest feedback we agree with. The others surely are cranks. #lrnchat
9:13:16 pm marciamarcia: @lrnchat OT: am I the only one excited new tweetchat interface doesn't cut you off @ 132ch, lets you cut back yourself? #lrnchat
9:13:24 pm wlonline: Welcome @joycefromoz to twitter. Just showing her twitter and #lrnchat ….
9:13:41 pm odguru: @MariaDroujkova – Nakama Have to make a t-shirt! #lrnchat
9:13:47 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @KoreenOlbrish We tend to value people who give good honest feedback we agree with. The others surely are cranks #lrnchat
9:14:08 pm Dave_Ferguson: And in small orgs where I’ve worked (like GE), there’s a justifiable paranoia about retribution. #lrnchat
9:14:28 pm oxala75: @bschlenker i like that idea. rather than a stale post mortem, some sort of actionable, flexible commenting. #lrnchat
9:14:37 pm oxala75: @Dave_Ferguson amen. #lrnchat
9:14:38 pm butwait: @joycefromoz Greetings and welcome! It’s not always this crazy. Well, okay, it is. But you kind of get used to it. C’mon in… #lrnchat
9:14:44 pm marciamarcia: @JaneBozarth Feedback word the problem? Learning in response, then! I suspect issue is some aren’t up for response nomatter word. #lrnchat
9:14:59 pm gminks: I think the willing to accept feedback is a big issue too. I can hear “what if they expose something we can’t change?” #lrnchat
9:15:01 pm oxala75: @wlonline hello, @joycefromoz #lrnchat
9:15:13 pm gmstoner: we have used anon feedback in limited circumstances. we had doctors share the worst item in their pantry for a nutrition course. #lrnchat
9:15:18 pm jwillensky: @JaneBozarth We should call feedback “chocolate.” #lrnchat
9:15:22 pm KoreenOlbrish: so if social media encourages development of identity for trust & feedback is better if given anonymously, is there a disconnect? #lrnchat
9:15:26 pm jaygoldman: #lrnchat Q2: current feedback is irregular, unfocused, unactionable, and lacking in honesty. So
9:15:39 pm moehlert: RT @jwillensky: @JaneBozarth We should call feedback “chocolate.” #lrnchat Done.
9:15:42 pm Quinnovator: RT @joe_deegan: #lrnchat best feedback is found through evaluation
9:15:45 pm JaneBozarth: RT @jwillensky: We should call feedback “chocolate.” #lrnchat
9:16:00 pm gminks: RT @jwillensky: @JaneBozarth We should call feedback “chocolate.” #lrnchat
9:16:03 pm butwait: @jwillensky I like dark feedback best.😉 #lrnchat
9:16:05 pm moehlert: @jwillensky #lrnchat “Will you all please see me for your chocolate sheets.”
9:16:10 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson but honest feedback documented with evidence… #lrnchat
9:16:11 pm rpannoni: ADDIE is too slow in the real world. It’s being replaced by equiv of “agile programming” (small chunks, parallel processes). #lrnchat
9:16:16 pm Dave_Ferguson: @KoreenOlbrish No disconnect. Lots of social media types w/ multiple avatars, funny names, even sock puppets. #lrnchat
9:16:18 pm jennystaley: RT @jwillensky: @JaneBozarth We should call feedback “chocolate.” #lrnchat
9:16:28 pm roninchef: @jwillensky Please, have some “chocolate”. I like that. #lrnchat
9:16:30 pm JaneBozarth: @gminks right about fear of exposing something we can’t change. #lrnchat
9:16:47 pm tmiket: #lrnchat Read somewhere that we all take new info in the context of what we already believe. and spin everything with that lens
9:16:49 pm jwillensky: @KoreenOlbrish How about tying giving/receiving feedback skills to organizational use of SoMe? #lrnchat
9:16:51 pm JaneBozarth: I am thinking we could do a whole question on ‘fear of feedback’ #lrnchat
9:16:51 pm mkfrie: Semi-Sweet imported feedback is my fav. #lrnchat
9:16:53 pm LearnNuggets: @JaneBozarth Not feedback, call it “Sherbert” It’s yummy and it sounds like a cool northern Europe name. #lrnchat
9:16:54 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator I’m not saying the paranoia’s always justified, but the crowd is sometimes saying “Get with the damned progam!” #lrnchat
9:17:04 pm jaygoldman: @MariaOD does that make sense? Sounds like a conveyor belt. #lrnchat
9:17:05 pm priyamaine: My HS students would love that. RT @jwillensky: We should call feedback “chocolate.” #lrnchat
9:17:10 pm marciamarcia: @jaygoldman I’ve known some gifted feedbackers (yeah, #madeupword). Coaching along the way may help us all get better. Tools, too. #lrnchat
9:17:15 pm Quinnovator: #lrnchat another drink signal when ‘culture’ first comes out: trust is SO critical for SoMe!
9:17:19 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Dave_Ferguson but do you take sock puppet feedback seriously? (can’t believe i just typed that…) #lrnchat
9:17:30 pm LearnNuggets: You can even call the feedback device a noun – Sherbert. “Go tell Sherbert your problems!” #lrnchat
9:17:49 pm kasey428: To conform to NASBA requirements for CPEs our feedback form must conform to NASBA requirements. #lrnchat
9:17:53 pm moehlert: @jaygoldman #lrnchat I dunno. I’ve seen people say pretty ugly lies when they could hide their identity..maybe we need a culture of trust?
9:18:02 pm JaneBozarth: I work with someone who used to do a class called “preparing to receive feedback” #lrnchat
9:18:02 pm tgrevatt: Evaluation combined with self-reporting – really useful to see disconnects between what students think they are learning #lrnchat
9:18:11 pm jaygoldman: @marciamarcia feedback is definitely a skill that you can improve through regular practice & feedback on feedback #madeupword #lrnchat
9:18:15 pm moehlert: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @Dave_Ferguson but do you take sock puppet feedback seriously? (can’t believe i just typed that…) #lrnchat
9:18:25 pm marciamarcia: Rather than “feedback” (if that’s the problem, am I’m doubting it is), why not call it “helping us all get better”? #lrnchat
9:18:33 pm MariaOD: RT Quinnovator#lrnchat another drink signal when ‘culture’ first comes out: trust is SO critical for SoMe!
9:18:34 pm Dave_Ferguson: @KoreenOlbrish “Sock puppet” by def has an agenda against consensus, so, prob. can’t…but too easy to label. #lrnchat
9:18:54 pm tgrevatt: @Quinnovator lol – remind to pour a decent glass of scotch for next lrnchat, next up lrnchat bingo! #lrnchat
9:18:59 pm jaygoldman: RT @mkfrie: Semi-Sweet imported feedback is my fav. #lrnchat
9:19:06 pm LearnNuggets: If you try to control truthful feedback, you don’t get honesty. Prob is execs don’t want to ‘hear’ the truth most times. 1/2 #lrnchat
9:19:09 pm tgrevatt: RT @marciamarcia: Rather than “feedback” (if thats the problem, am Im doubting it is), why not call it “helping us all get better”? #lrnchat
9:19:18 pm Quinnovator: @marciamarcia yes, don’t take the skills of feedback (reflection, social learning… in general) for granted! #lrnchat
9:19:20 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia #lrnchat too Kumbaya…how about “helping us all get paid more”? ;-0
9:19:23 pm dbolen: @KoreenOlbrish learned today that Lamb Chop is still alive! Shari Lewis daughter carries on #lrnchat
9:19:25 pm jwillensky: @marciamarcia We can call something what it is. Violates union rules🙂 #lrnchat
9:19:36 pm roninchef: @Dave_Ferguson What if the sock-puppet had chocolate? #lrnchat
9:19:49 pm LearnNuggets: 2/2 Truth about an org is out there and they (users & customers) are talking anyway. Give them a more open platform #lrnchat
9:19:54 pm gminks: saw that too RT @oxala75: makes me think about something i saw in Captivate 4 #lrnchat
9:20:04 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Dave_Ferguson can’t stop laughing at the thought of an opinionated sock puppet… #lrnchat
9:20:04 pm kzenovka: RT @KoreenOlbrish: @Dave_Ferguson but do u take sock puppet feedback seriously? (can’t believe i just typed that…)#lrnchat doesn’t every1?
9:20:10 pm jaygoldman: @moehlert true, but cultures of trust are hard to build in transient populations (like students). Brutal lies to hide the truth too #lrnchat
9:20:13 pm tmiket: Like someone said earlier good feedback disappears if it is never acted upon #lrnchat
9:20:16 pm Quinnovator: @tgrevatt just don’t start buzzword bingo, or the vendor vultures will start hovering! #lrnchat
9:20:25 pm oxala75: @moehlert @marciamarcia i think i could get my learners on board with that. #lrnchat
9:20:27 pm moehlert: RT @roninchef: @Dave_Ferguson What if the sock-puppet had chocolate? #lrnchat That would be awesome
9:20:28 pm jwillensky: @marciamarcia I meant to write “can’t,” of course. Totally blew the gag. Sigh. #lrnchat
9:20:29 pm marciamarcia: @jaygoldman Admission: I was dubbed “Tact Queen” when I was younger. That feedback helped me get better pretty quickly. #lrnchat
9:20:35 pm butwait: What’s the hardest feedback you ever heard & did something about? (I blew it w/ a stu. once & she called me on it. So grateful.) #lrnchat
9:20:43 pm gminks: an opinionated sock puppet w chocolate. #lrnchat
9:20:45 pm oxala75: @gminks really looking forward to using it #lrnchat
9:20:54 pm jennystaley: RT @roninchef: @Dave_Ferguson What if the sock-puppet had chocolate? #lrnchat
9:20:58 pm jaygoldman: RT @marciamarcia: Admission: I was dubbed “Tact Queen” when I was younger. That feedback helped me get better pretty quickly. #lrnchat
9:21:14 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat @rpannoni i am one for agile development but still value in ADDIE. How do you deal with scope creep and the evil “rework” Urgh
9:21:26 pm dbolen: @Quinnovator we’re all part of the solution #lrnchat
9:21:36 pm JaneBozarth: Tthinking of online eval system used to eval my grad school profs. Folks seemed pretty honest there; helped to choose which classes #lrnchat
9:21:44 pm starsandfrogs: RT @tmiket: Like someone said earlier good feedback disappears if it is never acted upon #lrnchat
9:22:22 pm gminks: its how we get happy sheets RT @starsandfrogs: RT @tmiket: Like someone said good feedback disappears if it is never acted upon #lrnchat
9:22:27 pm tgrevatt: @butwait A whole class of students made goldfish faces at me when I got carried away talking about quantum wells, and lost them #lrnchat
9:22:27 pm jaygoldman: @JaneBozarth was it anonymous? #lrnchat
9:22:31 pm LearnNuggets: RT @starsandfrogs: RT @tmiket: Like someone said earlier good feedback disappears if it is never acted upon #lrnchat
9:22:42 pm KoreenOlbrish: what if we used SoMe to ask for personal feedback? is anonymity important then? doesn’t identity help us “value” the feedback? #lrnchat
9:22:55 pm oxala75: @starsandfrogs @tmiket yeah, it really is like starting a fire with kindling and a stick – hard to get going and fragile at first. #lrnchat
9:22:55 pm tmiket: @MariaOD Ah not the dreaded “scope creep”😎 #lrnchat
9:22:56 pm Dave_Ferguson: @marciamarcia I was told in sixth grade I had a fantastic memory for junk. Apparently some things never change. #lrnchat
9:22:59 pm jaygoldman: @MariaOD being evaluated on the number of students you can get through classes in a timely manner #lrnchat
9:23:00 pm kasey428: @MariaOD our client (Feds) don’t want the A in ADDIE at all. Nor do they really want the E. #lrnchat
9:23:05 pm gminks: @marieod there are ID models that support agile & project mgt. #lrnchat
9:23:20 pm odguru: How do bestprac in SoMeFe compare to live ones like self disclosure, right time, right place, observed example… #lrnchat
9:23:25 pm lrnchat: Q2 reminder: What’s wrong with current feedback systems that SoMe could fix?
9:23:30 pm KoreenOlbrish: I have always thought that one of the keys to taking feedback was “considering the source” #lrnchat
9:23:33 pm moehlert: @dbolen #lrnchat If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the precipitate
9:23:39 pm gminks: RT @kasey428: @MariaOD our client (Feds) dont want the A in ADDIE at all. Nor do they really want the E. #lrnchat
9:23:40 pm oxala75: @kasey428 ok, we must have the same client. #lrnchat
9:24:02 pm tmiket: @gminks Any model is a guide not a recipe. Need to be flexible for every project No? #lrnchat
9:24:07 pm tgrevatt: Worst corp FB I saw involved sending emp out of glass sided room but able to watch rest of coworkers talk about them… arghhh #lrnchat
9:24:07 pm LearnNuggets: @KoreenOlbrish Anonymity works if you want truth. Identities for when you want suggestions. SoMe can do both perhaps? #lrnchat
9:24:09 pm jwillensky: RT @KoreenOlbrish: I have always thought that one of the keys to taking feedback was “considering the source” <—agree 100% #lrnchat
9:24:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @kasey428: our client (Feds) don't want A in ADDIE at all. Nor do they want the E. #lrnchat [Like what @oxala75 said, (A)DDI(E)]
9:24:10 pm jaygoldman: @KoreenOlbrish depends if it's completely anon or anon in a known community. Ask 10 trusted advisers for anon feedback #lrnchat
9:24:13 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat – i use ADDIE w/ less than stellar instructors (they have 2 get it) but use backward design & rapid protyping w/ teaching stars.
9:24:23 pm Erick1970: Reading tonight's #lrnchat on http://bit.ly/z4Apo
9:24:24 pm Dave_Ferguson: @KoreenOlbrish 1/2: I was going to say "just like a woman to think that…" #lrnchat
9:24:32 pm gmstoner: @starsandfrogs in addition when the learner realizes no one is reading, the submit less, so there is less to give feedback on #lrnchat
9:24:33 pm lrnchat: Q3 in a few minutes. Sounds like we're all frustrated w/ current systems. How can SM help improve processes? (Q2)
9:24:40 pm oxala75: @tgrevatt did you work in a precinct? #lrnchat
9:24:53 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @LearnNuggets: @KoreenOlbrish Anonymity works if u want truth. Identities for when u want suggestions. SoMe can do both perhaps? #lrnchat
9:24:56 pm Quinnovator: @KoreenOlbrish Just *one* of the components of taking feedback, similarly deep components in giving it! #lrnchat
9:25:06 pm Dave_Ferguson: @KoreenOlbrish 2/2 …but so many onlookers (onreaders) have no way to assess how I mean that or how you take it. #lrnchat
9:25:15 pm butwait: RT @odguru: How do bestprac in SoMeFe compare to live ones like self disclosure, right time, right place, observed example… #lrnchat
9:25:24 pm odguru: Once learned that team was avoiding saying anything that could be construed as negative…my being a "positive force" was too much. #lrnchat
9:25:27 pm gminks: @tmiket I don't think we'd get anything done if we didn't have a process, but the process grows w the biz. #lrnchat
9:25:33 pm tgrevatt: @oxala75 Nope, just a Dilbert-esque (at times) Telco in another continent #lrnchat
9:25:49 pm tmiket: Another hurdle w/feedback is "I know what I said – not what they heard" #lrnchat
9:25:58 pm jaygoldman: @JaneBozarth were the negative comments useful even from pseudonyms or absusive? #lrnchat
9:26:03 pm gminks: can drop in attendance be a form of feedback? #lrnchat
9:26:04 pm KoreenOlbrish: @Dave_Ferguson LOL, good thing I know you Dave🙂 so is that "considering the source" ?🙂 #lrnchat
9:26:04 pm marciamarcia: We had doctors share the worst item in their pantry for a nutrition course. via @gmstoner #lrnchat Love that! Builds cred fast.
9:26:17 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat @KoreenOlbrish didn't hear about identity issue 2day – "prefer 2 reply to an email then i don't have 2 log into something else."
9:26:31 pm rpannoni: RT @LearnNuggets: "Prob is execs don't want to 'hear' the truth most times." – Sadly, SoMe is not a solution for poor leadership. #lrnchat
9:26:41 pm LearnNuggets: RT @tmiket: Another hurdle w/feedback is "I know what I said – not what they heard" #lrnchat
9:26:56 pm oxala75: @tmiket oh, absolutely. one of the reasons fb needs to be a discussion (rather than a submission of data and opinion) #lrnchat
9:27:16 pm jaygoldman: @tmiket I call that the "context" problem: feedback easily understood in context of what you meant, not what you said #lrnchat
9:27:19 pm moehlert: RT @marciamarcia: We had doctors share the worst item in their pantry for a nutrition course. via @gmstoner #lrnchat Builds cred fast.
9:27:19 pm LearnNuggets: Yes, I believe indirectly. RT @gminks: can drop in attendance be a form of feedback? #lrnchat
9:27:33 pm oxala75: @gminks well, the same way that falling asleep during a lecture is feedback, yes #lrnchat
9:27:39 pm butwait: @gminks Drop in attendance is the toughest feedback. When they're gone, they're gone. "Feet voting" = very powerful! #lrnchat
9:27:42 pm LearnNuggets: RT @oxala75: @tmiket oh, absolutely. one of the reasons fb needs to be a discussion (rather than a submission of data and opinion) #lrnchat
9:27:53 pm JaneBozarth: Sorry I'm not getting the connection between SM and all the ADDIE comments? #lrnchat
9:27:58 pm tmiket: @oxala75 Even then with some I'm still not sure they "get it" 8-| #lrnchat
9:28:09 pm Erick1970: RT @lrnchat: Q2: What's wrong with current feedback systems that SoMe could fix?
9:28:20 pm jwillensky: I don't believe anonymity is precondition of truth. I believe culture of civility/skill is precondtion of open fb. #lrnchat
9:28:30 pm gminks: @JaneBozarth blame @LearnNuggets. He started it.🙂 #lrnchat
9:28:36 pm JaneBozarth: RT @tmiket Another hurdle w/feedback is "I know what I said – not what they heard" #lrnchat
9:28:43 pm marciamarcia: Q3: Let's turn our attention inward. How can we use SM for self-reflection, and helping others reflect? #lrnchat
9:28:44 pm tgrevatt: RT @jwillensky: I dont believe anonymity is precondition of truth. I believe culture of civility/skill is precondtion of open fb. #lrnchat
9:29:02 pm Dave_Ferguson: (OT?) Re feedback, and larger issues, why is "The Human Side of Project Mgmt" out of print? #lrnchat
9:29:04 pm Erick1970: Q2: Any examples of feedback systems that SoMe has fixed? #lrnchat
9:29:08 pm tmiket: @jaygoldman Great point context is VERY important #lrnchat
9:29:16 pm moehlert: RT @jwillensky: I don't believe anonymity is precondition of truth. I believe culture of civility/skill is precondtion of open fb. #lrnchat
9:29:25 pm gmstoner: I so agree, RT @gminks Drop in attendance is the toughest feedback. When they're gone, they're gone. "Feet voting" = very powerful! #lrnchat
9:29:32 pm mkfrie: Do most of us really believe what we read on FB, as being fully truthful? It's kinda just reflective of life, somewhat true. #lrnchat
9:29:33 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth in the ADDIE case, SM stands for SadoMasochism #lrnchat
9:29:33 pm LearnNuggets: @JaneBozarth That's OK. Seems like I stirred the ADDIE pot. SM different discussion. Sorry🙂 #lrnchat
9:29:37 pm gminks: @jwillensky but if the culture is not open, isn't the only hope of open fb anonymity? #lrnchat
9:29:39 pm kasey428: @LearnNuggets NASBA requirements for CPEs force us to use a feedback form. NASBA does not understand discussion. #lrnchat
9:29:50 pm tgrevatt: Q3 – I really appreciate the honesty and good humour of the folks I follow. I learn a lot from others' experiences/confessions #lrnchat
9:29:53 pm moehlert: @jwillensky #lrnchat I'm with you man. Need for anon. is a reflection of culture
9:29:56 pm rpannoni: RT @MariaOD: #lrnchat @rpannoni "How do you deal with scope creep and the evil 'rework'" – Daily check-in sessions & lots of negotiation.
9:30:09 pm oxala75: @tgrevatt @jwillensky civility is the better lit, better paved road, but anonymity is the shorter back alley. #lrnchat
9:30:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q3: for me, social media connections (Facebook, Twitter, blogs) lead to "virtual cube mates" I connect with one on one… #lrnchat
9:30:16 pm Erick1970: RT @marciamarcia: Q3: Lets turn our attention inward. How can we use SM for self-reflection, and helping others reflect? #lrnchat
9:30:20 pm Quinnovator: Q3: twitter is great for pointers and in the moment, I find blogging more useful for deep reflection #lrnchat
9:30:28 pm LearnNuggets: RT @jwillensky: I dont believe anonymity is precondition of truth. I believe culture of civility/skill is precondtion of open fb. #lrnchat
9:30:32 pm Dave_Ferguson: Q3 …invaluable for me as a sole practitioner rarely working onsite. #lrnchat
9:30:40 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert ok, but how can u elicit feedback until you can chnge the culture? #lrnchat
9:30:54 pm bschlenker: RT @moehlert: @jwillensky #lrnchat I'm with you man. Need for anon. is a reflection of culture
9:30:55 pm jwillensky: @gminks Maybe useful, but not open. Guess it depends on the value of attribution, huh? #lrnchat
9:31:00 pm mkfrie: Q3 I find blogging to be a very reflective aspect of SM #lrnchat
9:31:14 pm gminks: I've blogged about how blogging is a huge way I reflect and learn. #lrnchat
9:31:29 pm moehlert: @gminks #lrnchat No! Change the culture! People don't want to hear that cuz its hard and takes time and is based on truth
9:31:33 pm gminks: I get so worked up about a topic, & writing publicly forces me to slow down and really think about how I present info. #lrnchat
9:31:34 pm marciamarcia: @Erick1970 SM can get your feedback faster (if you really want it), more candid (b/c might not go thru systems), & open (peer2peer) #lrnchat
9:31:44 pm tgrevatt: @Quinnovator And tweets about the blog postings make it really easy to get to them – I like the mix of both short and long #lrnchat
9:31:50 pm Quinnovator: Q3: & having teams work together on a wiki to capture their understanding, negotiating final form, can be powerful team reflection #lrnchat
9:31:58 pm gminks: agree RT @Quinnovator: Q3: twitter is great for pointers and in the moment, I find blogging more useful for deep reflection #lrnchat
9:32:09 pm LearnNuggets: Q3 SoMe has opened up a new world both personal and professional. Ask a question on Twitter, start a discussion on LinkedIN #lrnchat
9:32:23 pm ChristyATucker: Joining #lrnchat late tonight. Q3: I see my blog as self-reflection, b/c there's enough depth. I don't see it in Twitter
9:32:31 pm tmiket: Culture is a factor but diff. personalities more/less likely to give honest fb when anonymous. They effect each other tho I think. #lrnchat
9:32:50 pm Erick1970: RT @Quinnovator: Q3: twitter is great for pointers and in the moment, I find blogging more useful for deep reflection #lrnchat
9:33:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Q3: for me, social media connects (Facebook, Twitter, blogs) lead to "virtual cube mates" I connect with 1 on 1 #lrnchat
9:33:11 pm rpannoni: Using feedback correctly is often a negotiation process. Hard to do when feedback is anonymous. #lrnchat
9:33:13 pm gminks: @moehlert huh!! #lrnchat
9:33:21 pm JaneBozarth: @learnnuggets no not blaming just seemed to keep popping up and I wasn't getting connectino #lrnchat
9:33:24 pm LearnNuggets: Co-worker learned we went to same H.S. – 600 miles away in diff state. We've been co-workers for 12 yrs! Never knew until Facebook #lrnchat
9:33:30 pm Erick1970: Q3: great way to capture random thoughts that might get lost #lrnchat
9:33:31 pm kzenovka: Q3 #lrnchat actually I like pulling it feedback SoMe or traditional and running it thru wordle http://www.wordle.net/.
9:33:38 pm kasey428: RT @LearnNuggets: Q3 SoMe has opened up a new world both personal and professional. #lrnchat
9:33:51 pm oxala75: @gminks have to agree. blogging really makes you think achieving well-argued points – well, it should, anyway #lrnchat
9:33:58 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Hmm. Can we move concurrently? SoMe can help start cultural thaw…
9:34:00 pm butwait: Q3 In opening my mind to many others' thought-streams, I find myself becoming more aware of my own internal landscape. Contrapuntal #lrnchat
9:34:04 pm jwillensky: Q3 I think wikis are great for learners to build meaning around technical knowledge, or as a KM tool. #lrnchat
9:34:04 pm JaneBozarth: For me, Twitter is often where the reflections that go to blog begin to germinate. #lrnchat
9:34:14 pm marciamarcia: Just seems like gotta be a happy medium between pay raise for test scores & pay raise for having a birthday. Or not. RT @csratliff #lrnchat
9:34:18 pm wlonline: @oxala75 hello #lrnchat @joycefromoz
9:34:23 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth bingo. #lrnchat
9:34:29 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Great question though…goes to implementation,migration, transition
9:34:45 pm dbolen: Q3 asking for help, am I missing something here?, use Twitter and discussions, open the aperture #lrnchat
9:34:48 pm gminks: me too!! RT @JaneBozarth: For me, Twitter is often where the reflections that go to blog begin to germinate. #lrnchat
9:34:48 pm Quinnovator: @tgrevatt yes, things I tweet about may later show up as a blog after they've been cogitated on a bit more #lrnchat
9:34:53 pm LearnNuggets: Q3 I find blogs great for research and able to learn more about author's personality. #lrnchat
9:34:58 pm MariaOD: Twitter is like verbal feedback once it's given it provides immediate impact but cnt seem to go back to reflect. Blog is like email #lrnchat
9:35:17 pm jaygoldman: @rpannoni how do you use feedback in a negotiation? Do you find it works in a two way conversation? #lrnchat
9:35:38 pm wlonline: @joycefromoz has now left but so far impressed with twitter and #lrnchat
9:35:45 pm jwillensky: @bschlenker @moehlert Or a reflection of an individual's need to step up! #lrnchat
9:35:45 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert today i tweeted a really great article about how to change a culture through changing its story. fb could be a story… #lrnchat
9:35:58 pm LearnNuggets: Q3 SoMe is Real People, Real Time, Right Now! HUGE for personal and professional growth #lrnchat
9:36:17 pm jaygoldman: @MariaOD I find Twitter like a rushing river that goes by quickly and is hard to find again later. Blogs are more like deep pools. #lrnchat
9:36:23 pm oxala75: @MariaOD i'd like to try to harness Twitter for the fb purpose more, but client restrictions kinda prevent this. Yammer, maybe… #lrnchat
9:36:40 pm Quinnovator: Q3: find following others' thoughts a great 'virtual mentorship': serves as a mental track that can then use to reflect #lrnchat
9:36:42 pm gmstoner: I normally tweet about my blog postings in order to share my reflections and hoping for a conversation #lrnchat
9:36:59 pm Dave_Ferguson: Twitter conversation: meet over coffee. Blogs/comments: dinner date. #lrnchat
9:37:01 pm odguru: My biggest learng coming from mentors & mentees I connect with thru SoMe. Get 2 know me enough to comment ona body of input/output. #lrnchat
9:37:07 pm oxala75: @wlonline hope she wasn't scared off… #lrnchat
9:37:10 pm marciamarcia: I often use Twitter, Signals & Facebook to reflect & ask if others see/hear the same. Sn.im to keep track of what I'm reading. #lrnchat
9:37:13 pm MariaOD: @oxala75 We are starting to use Yammer. I see potential. #lrnchat
9:37:19 pm jaygoldman: @gminks how do you find experts? What do you do with them once you've got them?🙂 #lrnchat
9:37:22 pm jwillensky: @oxala75 "Better lit, better paved." Poetic! #lrnchat
9:37:34 pm KoreenOlbrish: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Twitter conversation: meet over coffee. Blogs/comments: dinner date. #lrnchat
9:37:34 pm kasey428: @Dave_Ferguson Ditto #lrnchat
9:37:51 pm Dave_Ferguson: @jaygoldman Mostly, experts get stuffed and displayed, like in keynote pics. #lrnchat
9:38:28 pm Quinnovator: @MariaOD yes, a study I did years ago showed classroom discussion (synch) less reflective than email version (asynch) #lrnchat
9:38:28 pm wlonline: Have to say that I have been tweeting too much and stopped blogging #lrnchat
9:38:38 pm marciamarcia: Plan to start using Rypple and polls to capture targeted feedback. But frankly, fave reflection tool is Moleskine & my 4yrold. #lrnchat
9:38:45 pm Erick1970: RT @KoreenOlbrish: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Twitter conversation: meet over coffee. Blogs/comments: dinner date. #lrnchat
9:38:46 pm KoreenOlbrish: @jaygoldman i find a lot of experts these days on Twitter. of course i wonder if its a limited set I'm pulling from #lrnchat
9:38:54 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat@KoreenOlbrish @Dave_Ferguson: Twitter-coffee, Blogs: dinner–then what is night cap🙂
9:39:03 pm ChristyATucker: Twitter seems to be good for getting a range of perspectives/ideas/resources/experiences, but you need more to reflect #lrnchat
9:39:09 pm Quinnovator: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Twitter conversation: meet over coffee. Blogs/comments: dinner date. #lrnchat
9:39:09 pm LearnNuggets: RT @marciamarcia: …But frankly, fave reflection tool is Moleskine & my 4yrold. #lrnchat
9:39:10 pm gminks: @jaygoldman tell them thank you🙂. I can usually twt a tech question and some expert will point me in the right direction.. #lrnchat
9:39:24 pm jaygoldman: @KoreenOlbrish do you interact once you find them or is it more learning by absorption? #lrnchat
9:39:37 pm butwait: @wlonline There are a TON of people out there sheepishly saying, "Twitter killed my blog." #lrnchat
9:39:42 pm oxala75: @KoreenOlbrish @jaygoldman yeah, i have that fear sometimes, too. #lrnchat
9:39:50 pm marciamarcia: @KoreenOlbrish I reach out through Twitter (& other microsharing tools) to ask who knows someone who knows someone… Works. #lrnchat
9:40:08 pm LearnNuggets: Observation: Many on here tonight use their own tweets as building blocks for blog entry. Interesting. #lrnchat
9:40:11 pm ChristyATucker: @wlonline Do you still feel you're getting the same depth of self-reflection now w/o blogging? #lrnchat
9:40:11 pm jennystaley: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Twitter conversation: meet over coffee. Blogs/comments: dinner date. #lrnchat
9:40:11 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Awesome. Got it http://tinyurl.com/ls7932
9:40:16 pm Quinnovator: reminded of phrase I use to talk about design: "premature evaluation"; true in feedback & reflection, too #lrnchat
9:40:24 pm mkfrie: Scobilizer demo'd his version of finding an expert (with 100,000 twitter followers) at DAU Conf. #lrnchat
9:40:26 pm rpannoni: RT @jaygoldman:"how use feedback in a negotiation?" – you use negotiation in feedback; create a conversation about what is possible #lrnchat
9:40:30 pm KoreenOlbrish: @jaygoldman i usually interact…i'm not much of a passive learner😉 #lrnchat
9:40:39 pm Dave_Ferguson: Nightcap? Dunno, but re face to face: "Meeting Franklin Roosevelt was like opening your first bottle of champagne… #lrnchat
9:40:42 pm oxala75: @LearnNuggets just be sure that the tweets don't eat away your will to blog (as they have sometimes done to me) #lrnchat
9:40:48 pm jwillensky: @butwait Twitter totally vanquished my blog. #lrnchat
9:40:55 pm Dave_Ferguson: …and knowing him was like drinking it." (Churchill) #lrnchat
9:41:04 pm oxala75: thai food at door. bbl, #lrnchat!
9:41:14 pm jaygoldman: @rpannoni so feedback as the start or seed of the negotiation? #lrnchat
9:41:39 pm MariaOD: @oxala75 pad thai!!!🙂 lrnchat
9:41:39 pm wlonline: Getting lots of useful info, expert advice thro Twitter; also need to share what we know with others #lrnchat
9:42:00 pm LearnNuggets: @oxala75 Good point. But helps to make 'notes' I suppose. I don't, but watching tonite that some do. #lrnchat
9:42:04 pm jwillensky: RT @wlonline: Getting lots of useful info, expert advice thro Twitter; also need to share what we know with others #lrnchat
9:42:38 pm wlonline: reflection is a usually conversations in my head based on what i've heard, read, seen, etc #lrnchat
9:42:55 pm KoreenOlbrish: Sigh. Ok, I need to blog more. & not just when I'm mad about something… #lrnchat
9:42:59 pm gmstoner: I get alot of great info from twitter and blogs, so I feel obligated to give back thru my blog. #lrnchat
9:43:17 pm marciamarcia: When I find an expert in whatever I'm writing about or researching, I followup over email. I'm seeking stories, examples, usecases. #lrnchat
9:43:25 pm busynessgirl: For me, I haven't moved learning into permanent storage until I've blogged about it. #lrnchat
9:43:35 pm LearnNuggets: Just started w/ Yammer. Too early to tell but like that it's contained within workplace via email addy's. #lrnchat
9:43:41 pm wlonline: @ChristyATucker In some ways yes. But I am also writing papers for study and I do spend time reflecting there, too #lrnchat
9:43:44 pm odguru: RT: KoreenOlbrish Sigh. Ok, I need to blog more. & not just when I'm mad about something… #lrnchat
9:44:00 pm wlonline: @butwait Agreed LOL #lrnchat
9:44:07 pm jaygoldman: @moehlert @KoreenOlbrish that's a great HBR article on culture. Thx! http://tinyurl.com/ls7932 #lrnchat
9:44:10 pm odguru: RT: busynessgirl For me, I haven't moved learning into permanent storage until I've blogged about it. #lrnchat
9:44:20 pm marciamarcia: Reflection is a usually conversations in my head based on what i've heard, read, seen, etc. RT @wlonline (think we've talked there) #lrnchat
9:44:23 pm Quinnovator: @KoreenOlbrish reminds me of Mark's recent blog post, too #lrnchat
9:44:57 pm LearnNuggets: For those that don't know, I'm @delanotho (Kevin Thorn). Thought I should brand a Twitter name that matches blog. #lrnchat
9:44:59 pm wlonline: the reality is that the audience is more immediate via twitter vs blog #lrnchat
9:45:08 pm butwait: Oops, girl's home, gotta go. (Our "sweeties b4 computers rule") Love this, though, and thanks again to everyone for your wisdom. #lrnchat
9:45:11 pm Erick1970: SoMe is instantaneous – sounds like insightful blogging takes time. #lrnchat
9:45:24 pm roninchef: @KoreenOlbrish Listen to this when you have a chance. http://bit.ly/1397TC It is Merlin Mann on being creative. #lrnchat
9:45:31 pm lrnchat: @busynessgirl maybe we should make one week's theme "storage and retrieval" of great ideas!
9:45:57 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Yeah me too but mad is good, mad works, mad cuts thru and clarifies….
9:45:58 pm KoreenOlbrish: @roninchef thanks! favorited & on the to do list😉 #lrnchat
9:45:58 pm Dave_Ferguson: @butwait Shouldn't that be "sweeties before tweeties?" #lrnchat
9:46:12 pm jaygoldman: Thanks for a great #lrnchat! Lots of great feedback chat and new things learned!
9:46:19 pm butwait: Also, one last thing, OT, but… Want to lead school heads to FB via simple URL; must hit 100 fans 1st. Help? http://bit.ly/1aHyiY #lrnchat
9:46:33 pm roninchef: @KoreenOlbrish Enjoy it. #lrnchat
9:46:39 pm marciamarcia: @Erick1970 Microsharing might be instantaneous, but plenty of social media takes time to engage, learn from one another. #lrnchat
9:46:41 pm busynessgirl: My blog is an extension of my brain. Reflectively thinking and storing my learning there frees up brain RAM. #lrnchat
9:46:49 pm gminks: thus the need to reflect🙂 RT @moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Yeah me too but mad is good, mad works, mad cuts thru & clarifies #lrnchat
9:46:51 pm ChristyATucker: @wlonline Internal mental reflection is good, but sometimes I don't know what i think until I write it down. #lrnchat
9:46:52 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert oh, i'll still blog when i'm mad🙂 but that shouldn't be the only time, right? #lrnchat
9:46:54 pm Dave_Ferguson: @LearnNuggets Ah, now the avatar picture makes sense. #lrnchat
9:46:54 pm MariaOD: @Erick1970 thats why I keep putting it off..I need to change my attitude about blogging. It doesn't have to be perfect! #lrnchat
9:47:01 pm butwait: @Dave_Ferguson We have made the name change, and you're getting a footnote, dude!😀 #lrnchat
9:47:23 pm bschlenker: Dinner is here! Adios #lrnchat Great reflections tonight! See you from Chicago next week – ID Symposium
9:47:29 pm wlonline: Using journals for reflection is actually good but I am so time poor; mb twitter has become my reflective journal #lrnchat
9:47:31 pm MariaOD: @KoreenOlbrish i need to read your blog! #lrnchat
9:47:47 pm Erick1970: @marciamarcia You make a good point – overgeneralized! #lrnchat
9:47:49 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Broader emotional spectrum?
9:47:51 pm rpannoni: @jaygoldman Feedback IS the negotiation. It isn't 1-way. You provide context for what is possible and guide the feedback. #lrnchat
9:48:04 pm jaygoldman: Would love for you guys to try out rypple.com and let me know what you think. We spend lots of time thinking about feedback! #lrnchat
9:48:07 pm KoreenOlbrish: @MariaOD ha! well, you'll see a couple "ID is dead" posts😉 #lrnchat
9:48:28 pm Dave_Ferguson: @marciamarcia Re takes time: easy to do social media basics (blog, comment, tweet, etc.); skill, range, nuance, insight take time. #lrnchat
9:48:29 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat can someple please recap for me how SoMe helps with fb?🙂
9:48:32 pm Quinnovator: Me too! RT @ChristyATucker Internal mental reflection is good, but sometimes I don't know what i think until I write it down. #lrnchat
9:48:36 pm LearnNuggets: @Dave_Ferguson Yep, that's Nugget Head. My alter ego #lrnchat
9:48:58 pm KoreenOlbrish: @jaygoldman i used Rypple today to send out a question for feedback–will def give YOU feedback if you're interested😉 #lrnchat
9:49:04 pm Erick1970: @MariaOD Do think that some workplace SoMe policies may limit blogging in areas of expertise? #lrnchat
9:49:22 pm MariaOD: @KoreenOlbrish no, i'm in debt because of ID…don't wanna see that. I have 8 months left! #lrnchat
9:49:56 pm tmiket: @KoreenOlbrish I just found Rypple today..intrigued. Curious about your experience with it? #lrnchat
9:50:03 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert yes, more emotional..that's what i need to be🙂 #lrnchat
9:50:22 pm marciamarcia: I 2nd @jaygoldman recommendation to try our http://rypple.com. Very compelling. #lrnchat
9:50:26 pm LearnNuggets: Ice cream time! Great chat tonight. Soooooo glad it wasn't like the SloMo of last week! Tweet'yas later🙂 #lrnchat
9:50:33 pm wlonline: BTW do check out @timbuckteeth's piece on elearning issues – he used twitter to garner comments. Grt work! #lrnchat
9:50:35 pm KoreenOlbrish: @MariaOD oh don't worry…just an inflammatory title…kinda😉 #lrnchat
9:50:42 pm gminks: @Erick1970 one reason I blog about edu is many times I can't blog about what I am working on #lrnchat
9:50:59 pm JaneBozarth: Hey now y'all don't forget to go follow @lrn2day after leaving here tonight. #lrnchat
9:51:21 pm KoreenOlbrish: @tmiket just tried it today…we'll see how it goes. I think its got potential #lrnchat
9:51:22 pm gminks: rypple requires a work email login? #lrnchat
9:51:25 pm ChristyATucker: @wlonline Agreed that it's a personal style-blog, twitter, etc. Do we allow personal choice in reflection in learning we design? #lrnchat
9:51:31 pm wlonline: Here's the url http://bit.ly/14S989 #lrnchat
9:51:35 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat not more per se but greater variety mayhaps. Mad AND angry, toss in a little ticked off and there we go🙂
9:51:50 pm moehlert: RT @JaneBozarth: Hey now y'all don't forget to go follow @lrn2day after leaving here tonight. #lrnchat
9:51:51 pm JaneBozarth: Me too RT @gminks: @Erick1970 one reason I blog about edu is many times I can't blog about what I am working on #lrnchat
9:52:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks I often fictionalize clients/problems on my blog; don't feel I should blab their details. #lrnchat
9:52:30 pm Quinnovator: see some folks are taking off. thanks y'all for a great #lrnchat, as always!
9:53:00 pm lrnchat: Last thing we do here is say how we would benefit from one another's help & reintroduce (don't need to be done together.) #lrnchat
9:53:25 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat @Erick1970 It makes sense since reputation and brand are at risk -even a disclaimer-sometimes passion is just not enough…
9:53:30 pm imkilo: @jwillensky @butwait I like to think that my shorter blog posts are expressed as tweets (I don't know what #lrnchat is)
9:53:31 pm wlonline: @ChristyATucker why not esp if we want to cater to individual's learning; why not offer choice? #lrnchat
9:53:37 pm Dave_Ferguson: This is actually a bad time of day/week for me, so I advise not deciding to just take a peek at this hashtag: #lrnchat
9:53:40 pm moehlert: #lrnchat You all consistently amaze me! Thanks for another great chat tonight!
9:53:52 pm Erick1970: So would you say microsharing & blogging is a way to capture knowledge/expertise & release underutilized knowledge/expertise? #lrnchat
9:54:27 pm lrnchat: Thanks for joining us. Transcript posted later tonight. Please reintroduce & ask for help if needed. We're all about the learning. #lrnchat
9:54:34 pm tmiket: Amen to that RT @moehlert: #lrnchat You all consistently amaze me! Thanks for another great chat tonight!
9:54:40 pm Quinnovator: referrals to anyone looking to transform their org learning thru tech most welcome #lrnchat
9:54:43 pm mkfrie: I enjoy seeing the varied ideas and responses, many of which confirm what I might have previously thought, but not believed before! #lrnchat
9:54:57 pm kzenovka: #lrnchat Kae from Colorado – as 4 help would luv feedback!
9:55:07 pm Erick1970: Thank you all for sharing your knowledge & expertise. Learning a lot. #lrnchat
9:55:23 pm KoreenOlbrish: as always (when the Internet isn't broken), an exhilarating chat! how awesome to be virtually surrounded with smart peeps! #lrnchat
9:55:23 pm mkfrie: @Quinnovator Didn't you mean transform thru use of Knowledge and KM, instead of Technology? #lrnchat
9:55:26 pm derekbruff: @busynessgirl my blog works much the same way. several times a week i'll look up old posts to remind myself of things. #lrnchat
9:55:30 pm JaneBozarth: Raise your hand if you love #lrnchat! (I raise hand.)
9:55:47 pm gminks: by from rainy stormy Boston. #lrnchat
9:55:47 pm Quinnovator: Yes RT @Erick1970: would you say microshare/blog is way to capture knowledge/expertise & release underutilized knowledge/expertise? #lrnchat
9:55:51 pm jaygoldman: @KoreenOlbrish I would love to hear from you! DM your email and I'll follow up #lrnchat
9:55:52 pm roninchef: Off to do the dishes. Then off the grid for a weekend in VT. See you all next week. #lrnchat
9:56:04 pm jenisecook: @lrnchat I'm in southern CA, and usually at dinner when u all chat. I benefit from "listening" 2 u all. SoMe take a lot of time. #lrnchat
9:56:04 pm jwillensky: Thanks for sharing good/bad/ugly. Jason Willensky, Phoenix. #lrnchat
9:56:07 pm ChristyATucker: @wlonline It would be good to offer choice. I think what I design may be too structured. Something to strive for. #lrnchat
9:56:08 pm KoreenOlbrish: @JaneBozarth WOOOO! (raising hand) #lrnchat
9:56:20 pm MariaOD: Thank you #lrnchat! WOW, time flies when you're learning!
9:56:29 pm tmiket: nice real-time transcipt at http://wthashtag.com/Lrnchat #lrnchat
9:56:38 pm Quinnovator: @mkfrie yes, but looking for the short version😉 #lrnchat
9:56:56 pm wlonline: @JaneBozarth Ai.. #lrnchat
9:57:05 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth hand raised! #lrnchat
9:57:09 pm gminks: Thanks everyone!🙂 #lrnchat
9:57:21 pm Dave_Ferguson: Consultant: instructional design, improving performance, wildly long blog posts, can sing in Gaelic. #lrnchat
9:57:21 pm JaneBozarth: Author, trainer, instructional designer, and celebritiy-keeping-alive-er in Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, USA. And gubmint worker #lrnchat
9:57:35 pm gmstoner: thanks for a good chat all. Matt, Stoner, Tucson. #lrnchat http://digg.com/u16C2H
9:57:39 pm odguru: very much-RT@Erick1970 So would you say microsharing & blogging capture knowledge/exper & release underutilized knowledge/exper? #lrnchat
9:58:01 pm moehlert: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat w00t!
9:58:09 pm Quinnovator: signing off to go see fam; thanks again! See you next time #lrnchat
9:58:14 pm ChristyATucker: Thanks for a good chat everyone–even though I missed most of it, I found some things to think about. #lrnchat
9:58:22 pm tgrevatt: Hand raised, such fun a high speed too! Good night everyone! #lrnchat
9:58:35 pm dbolen: g’night all #lrnchat
9:58:38 pm marciamarcia: Working on article about Twitter+ for self-reflection. Still collecting grt stories. DM or @ me. #lrnchat
9:58:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: Instructional designer who thinks she knows a little something about immersive learning. perhaps delusional, but opinionated.. #lrnchat
9:59:01 pm tmiket: Another great night. Mike Taylor learning development consultant from Columbus, OH #lrnchat
9:59:13 pm wlonline: Thanks everyone! Lovely to catch up again #lrnchat
9:59:39 pm ChristyATucker: Instructional designer developing online graduate courses for teachers in Raleigh-Durham, NC #lrnchat
10:00:01 pm odguru: Thanks. Hand up. Good night from Ontario, Canada #Lrnchat
10:00:05 pm wootboot: RT @moehlert: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat w00t!
10:00:56 pm wlonline: @ChristyATucker No it not easy to offer choice but at least we can explore and build on it #lrnchat
10:01:04 pm Erick1970: Hand up – very good #lrnchat
10:01:46 pm lrnchat: Great #lrnchat everyone. Thanks for coming. Please join us again next week.

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