Transcript of #lrnchat for 05/28/09

8:30:34 pm lrnchat: Welcome to #lrnchat everyone!
8:32:01 pm lrnchat: It’s been a busy week of learning here. How are all of you? #lrnchat
8:32:36 pm moehlert: #lrnchat So answer objections but I need to beyond and convince them why they should WANT to fight the good fight
8:33:01 pm marciamarcia: Seems storms have passed us so I’m less stressed about #lrnchat mgmt tonight. @quinnovator will join us late, but @moehlert in the house.
8:33:20 pm hjarche: it’s late here on Atlantic time (GMT-3) and that’s why we have few participants from europe – bit NA centric this is #lrnchat
8:33:38 pm lrnchat: We’ve received some great questions. Please keep sending them in to @lrnchat or post on the website.#lrnchat
8:34:19 pm KevinDJones: @JaneBozarth – @dwilkinsnh and I: http://tr.im/l5DC for the Slideshare #lrnchat
8:35:00 pm marciamarcia: @hjarche We’re thinking about piloting an early version over the summer. Hope you’ll consider drumming up participation. #lrnchat
8:35:38 pm hjarche: @marciamarcia OK – will help with that🙂 #lrnchat
8:35:39 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Hiya Harold!
8:36:07 pm hjarche: @moehlert mark who? #lrnchat
8:37:03 pm lrnchat: Let’s start with our usual warmup question: Q0 — what did you learn today? If nothing that interesting, how about this week? #lrnchat
8:37:23 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Ouch. Mark Oehlert says that hurts hjarche
8:37:50 pm hjarche: @KevinDJones saw your presentation earlier – http://tr.im/l5DC – well done! #lrnchat
8:38:37 pm hjarche: @moehlert we know you’re a tough guy who works at defense (defence in Canada) #lrnchat
8:38:41 pm marciamarcia: I learned something surprising today. My husband seems to enjoy powerwashing as much as vacuuming. Really. Who knew?! Q0 #lrnchat
8:39:31 pm oxala75: I learned that, unbeknownst to myself, i have really strong feelings about the academy’s abilities to equip students for work #lrnchat
8:39:33 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat inverse of usual response: had friend yesterday remark, “I always have to unlearn something.”
8:40:05 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @kevindjones @janebozarth the @dwilkinsnh slideshare presentation is great!
8:40:13 pm marciamarcia: @oxala75 And… #lrnchat
8:40:49 pm hjarche: @JaneBozarth the only thing harder than getting a new idea into our head is getting the old one out #lrnchat
8:40:58 pm moehlert: #lrnchat I learned that sometimes if you ask your peers that can be really smart about what your job is / could be
8:41:13 pm KevinDJones: @hjarche THX. Lots of fun doing it. But as @mohlert said, the next step is to get them to WANT (NEED) it. Much tougher. #lrnchat
8:41:47 pm row4it: Learned increased benefits of SM as a learning tool within the field. Amazing stuff comes right to your desktop. #lrnchat
8:42:03 pm marciamarcia: @JaneBozarth And you have to unlearn this isn’t an expected response? I say, hallelujah to being mindful to the power of unlearning #lrnchat
8:42:39 pm KevinDJones: Learned that someone that if we don’t stay up on what is happening, we will fall be hind VERY quickly. #lrnchat
8:42:43 pm oxala75: @marciamarcia …and it turns out that i wanna break the headlock that bachelors degrees have on entry into (some of) the workforce #lrnchat
8:42:56 pm hjarche: strong opinions, loosely held – that’s me #lrnchat
8:43:41 pm row4it: @MarkMorganMA Agreed Mark, saw/read the same Model and definitely liked it. #lrnchat
8:43:58 pm hjarche: @oxala75 I think bachelor’s degrees will decline as cost versus ROI becomes obvious #lrnchat
8:44:08 pm Quinnovator: @oxala75 like the German system: vocational is legit alternative to high school/higher ed #lrnchat
8:44:13 pm KevinDJones: @moehlert Amen. We get stuck in our own little world and they can really help us see things in a new light. Smart Peers FTW! #lrnchat
8:44:28 pm dbolen: learned that average home garden = $2149.15 #lrnchat
8:44:40 pm oxala75: @hjarche here’s hoping. #lrnchat
8:44:50 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche actually, I think bachelor’s degrees will shift to something with more ROI #lrnchat
8:45:20 pm marciamarcia: Reading several books on neural plasticity and its relationship to culture (org and community). Amazing learning & SM implications. #lrnchat
8:45:57 pm hjarche: Who you know (like Mark) is becoming ever-more important as knowledge areas expand, eg how can I learn about game-based learning? #lrnchat
8:46:02 pm dbolen: @quinnivator so is that certification? #lrnchat
8:46:06 pm Quinnovator: learned that prepping for a week trip is greater than linearly more difficult than just a few days #lrnchat
8:46:23 pm hjarche: @Quinnovator we’ll have to talk (I respect your opinion) #lrnchat
8:46:25 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat @oxala75 colleague at local community college says students too focused on prep for Bachelor’s instead of looking at vocational
8:46:45 pm marciamarcia: @row4it Tell us abt some of the amazing stuff you’ve seen right to your desktop. #lrnchat
8:47:16 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche fair enough; likewise #lrnchat
8:47:22 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @hjarche..so wait, do you wanna know about game-based lrng or was that just an example?
8:47:36 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche games, did someone say games? #lrnchat
8:48:06 pm hjarche: @moehlert just example, but I may call my my marker any day now #lrnchat
8:48:56 pm hjarche: @Quinnovator games, like Twister😉 #lrnchat
8:49:12 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @hjarche🙂 I do think the undergrad degree stays but gets diff focus more explicit on analytical skills and networking
8:49:25 pm Quinnovator: @hjarche more like ‘twisted’🙂 #lrnchat
8:49:33 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth rampant here. sorry all – remnants of heated discussion today. #lrnchat
8:49:41 pm MariaOD: so true! they say the illiterate of the 21st century will be those that can’t learn, unlearn and relearn!@marciamarcia #lrnchat
8:50:03 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert yes, a different curricula, more process focused, systems-thinking, experimental, self-learning #lrnchat
8:50:12 pm moehlert: #lrnchat What if college becomes an explicit cultural exercise and less and less about knowledge building?
8:50:28 pm row4it: The resources available: tips, tools, models, for the Learning Profs. So much to read, so little time for us daily practitioners. #lrnchat
8:50:48 pm hjarche: @moehlert getting undergrad degree to make sense may be THE BIG question – other question is high school diploma – out of sync #lrnchat
8:50:52 pm lrnchat: Ready for our first question? #lrnchat
8:51:55 pm Quinnovator: #lrnchat gotta run, special nite (lad & lass EOY band concert), have a great sess!
8:52:05 pm hjarche: drum roll #lrnchat
8:53:18 pm lrnchat: Q1: inspired by @dbolen What are the required competencies for workplace learning professionals (internal & freeagent) #lrnchat
8:54:15 pm odguru: Neural nets, river sys, language, firefly flashes, bio & comp viruses, ++ all obey simlr laws of sm networks http://tiny.cc/FRG7J #lrnchat
8:54:37 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat some irony that at the moment tv broadcast- most visible academic competition = memorizing how to spell words?
8:54:45 pm hjarche: A1: (required competencies for workplace learning professionals) learning to adapt to life in Beta #lrnchat
8:55:45 pm moehlert: #lrnchat A1: Ability to speak/argue “up the chain” – define and defend your role and contribution
8:55:56 pm hjarche: @JaneBozarth however, spelling bee’s can teach some relevant skills (more so than memorization) #lrnchat
8:56:44 pm MarkMorganMA: Q1 They need to have empathy for the people they are helping train. #lrnchat
8:57:08 pm row4it: Business Acumen, Relationship Skills, Sales/Negotiation, #lrnchat
8:57:41 pm odguru: …as do social and knowledge networks – technical and non-technical. Find the nexus and the connectors keep it alive. #lrnchat
8:57:42 pm hjarche: @MarkMorganMA “empathy” as core skill – I strongly agree #lrnchat
8:58:26 pm moehlert: @markmorganma Damn right. Eat Your Own Dog Food #lrnchat
8:58:39 pm KevinDJones: #lrnchat A1: Truely “designing learning” – beyond traditional models – as part of an ecosystem
8:59:09 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat competencies recognition of individual cultural/developmental concerns
8:59:13 pm hjarche: re: empathy & soft skills http://is.gd/IzYQ #lrnchat
9:00:03 pm lrnchat: @moehlert It’s abt knowledge building now? Highered may not like to fess up, but culture & networking is primary purpose. #lrnchat
9:00:25 pm mobilemind: #lrnchat More creativity in more lesson designs & elearning, but NOT necessarily more budget, animation. #lrnchat
9:00:43 pm dbolen: can we stop using “soft skills” perhaps refer to as people skills #lrnchat
9:01:03 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat @hjarche True,but memorization is what is rewarded. I agree practice great for developing etymology/language & persistence skills
9:01:18 pm mobilemind: #lrnchat Need to be clever while being instructionally effective, over being clever and flashy or trendy #lrnchat
9:01:44 pm marciamarcia: I’d be happy if we even just replaced “soft skills” with “non-tech skills.” That’s usually what it means. #lrnchat
9:01:52 pm MariaOD: @dbolen yes. Interpersonal works for me too! #lrnchat
9:02:08 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @lrnchat good point.
9:02:09 pm hjarche: @mobilemind we need common terms – for now soft skills, but it is very limiting – will take time to change #lrnchat
9:02:12 pm MarkMorganMA: They need to search for ways to change performance #lrnchat
9:02:39 pm mobilemind: “soft skills” what deeply worthwhile skill is easy to acquire? They’re all hard skills. #lrnchat
9:02:55 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Can i just also add that I HATE referring to people as “Human Capital”
9:02:58 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat performance consulting, not order taking
9:03:44 pm row4it: RT @MarkMorganMA: They need to search for ways to change performance #lrnchat They being the Learning professionals?
9:03:47 pm roninchef: Hi folks, sorry I’m late. What’s the Q? #lrnchat
9:03:52 pm marciamarcia: I believe a core skill of workplace learning practitioners is at least a basic understanding of cognitive processes & andragogy. #lrnchat
9:03:53 pm mobilemind: . @moehlert I am the “human capitol” of Tom. #lrnchat
9:04:14 pm hjarche: @moehlert human capital or human resources – I remember when we just had a personnel department (worked for me) #lrnchat
9:04:34 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @mobilemind Can I get a human capital bailout?
9:04:37 pm cammybean: They need to be experimenting with new technologies to stay ahead of the curve #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:05:10 pm KevinDJones: @janebozarth AMEN! We have pigeon-holed our profession to be order takers. Sometimes the answer is not learning. #lrnchat
9:05:12 pm oxala75: @moehlert agreed #lrnchat
9:05:23 pm MariaOD: @marciamarcia yes having knowledge of ID also helpful! #lrnchat
9:05:24 pm cammybean: @moehlert I’ve got a stimulus package for you. #lrnchat
9:05:38 pm mobilemind: . @moehlert human capital bailout requires you to declare cognitive bankruptcy first #lrnchat
9:05:46 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @hjarche I hear ya. There is just something insidious about making an analogy between handling people and money with the same n …
9:06:39 pm KevinDJones: #lrnchat @moehlert What if we handled money like we do people? Hmmm.
9:06:57 pm KevinDJones: #lrnchat Did that sound wrong, or what!😉
9:07:22 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Um.OK…@cammybean🙂
9:07:52 pm oxala75: @MariaOD ok, here’s a heretical question: is it always? #lrnchat
9:07:58 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat learning professionals should be lifelong learners themselves! A good champion goes a long way.
9:08:07 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat agility and versatility; tricks in toolbox. How many have seen the same ‘icebreaker’ 20 times?
9:08:27 pm marciamarcia: @MariaOD I’ve hired some amazing learning ppl who’d never heard of ID. They just “got” people. Always wonder about ID as req. #lrnchat
9:08:29 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @kevindjones Couldn’t be worse that using a 500 yr old accounting system to describe org.s whose main assets are inside people’ …
9:08:53 pm mobilemind: what about value of “network capital” in an org? People + their connectedness. Seems very social media & social learning #lrnchat
9:09:24 pm marciamarcia: RT MariaOD Workplace learning professionals should be lifelong learners themselves! A good champion goes a long way. #lrnchat
9:09:37 pm oxala75: @KevinDJones well, between people handling and @cammybean‘s stimulus package, #lrnchat drew my attention away from a phone call🙂
9:09:58 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat @marciamarcia it helps when you’re having to wear many hats. I agree ID not important…sometimes could hinder
9:10:11 pm hjarche: @MariaOD that’s the start – you can’t make change until you change yourself #lrnchat
9:10:16 pm Erick1970: @marciamarcia @MariaOD Maybe design is a more important competency than working knowledge of ID? #lrnchat
9:10:29 pm mobilemind: clear value in a trained & connected person. How do we teach connecting, esp. if not recog/rewarded by org? #lrnchat
9:11:06 pm MariaOD: @oxala75 sorry on which? #lrnchat
9:11:12 pm KevinDJones: @moehlert I have always wanted to come up with a new $ accounting system for an org where the main asset is people/ info – someday #lrnchat
9:11:17 pm oxala75: @marciamarcia is that – “getting” people – the thing that one either has or doesn’t as a learning pro? #lrnchat
9:11:17 pm roninchef: @MariaOD I had been working in elearning for almost 2 years before I had heard of ID. #lrnchat
9:11:17 pm MarkMorganMA: @marciamarcia I agree. The best learning professionals love to learn and get a kick out of others learning. #lrnchat
9:12:10 pm lrnchat: Q1 part b. Are there differences between what an internal workplace learning person needs and a freeagent? #lrnchat
9:12:18 pm klowey22: #lrnchat is anyone using triple bottom line in their org? people, planet profit… i hear SEC might take XBRL there (after profit)?
9:12:27 pm mobilemind: .@MarkMorganMA agreed. Best instructors truly learn from students in every class they teach… and love it. #lrnchat
9:12:37 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat @Erick1970 ID has come in handy for me when evaluating vendors. I appreciate instructional materials so much more!
9:12:42 pm Erick1970: RT@ roninchef @MariaOD I had been working in elearning for almost 2 years before I had heard of ID. (Me too.) #lrnchat
9:12:44 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @kevindjones Go right ahead
9:12:46 pm KevinDJones: #lrnchat if we are talking traditional learning, ID is important – but what about enhancing the lrng that is already happening around us?
9:12:53 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat understands training as part of process, not an isolated event.
9:13:19 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat understands reality of learner as working within a system
9:13:19 pm row4it: I’m amazed that this line of thought regarding absence of ID in the field. Seems like a basic tenet. Say more #lrnchat
9:13:26 pm oxala75: @roninchef When i finally learned what ID was, i literally slapped my forehead. I then pretty much immediately went back to school. #lrnchat
9:13:49 pm mobilemind: .@KevinDJones do we need to go from ID to _learning_ design? Metalearning? #lrnchat
9:13:49 pm hjarche: training: a solution looking for a problem #lrnchat
9:14:49 pm KevinDJones: #lrnchat Free agent doesn’t have their heads so into tradition that they can step back and see the reality many try to hide.
9:14:50 pm moehlert: #lrnchat A1partb: Both need to have an ability to understand corp cultures..insiders can have just as much prob w/ that as insiders
9:15:09 pm oxala75: A2: I feel like freeagents in any field live and die by versatility and breadth of competence. Learning pros are not different. #lrnchat
9:15:11 pm row4it: @KevinDJones Kevin I guess that is where some of us are making the shift thanks to folks like yourself. #lrnchat
9:15:16 pm roninchef: @oxala75 When I interviewed for my current job my boss asked if I knew about ID because I was talking about it without naming it. #lrnchat
9:15:35 pm KevinDJones: @mobilemind Not from one to another – one AND another. In conjunction. #lrnchat
9:15:42 pm JaneBozarth: @hjarche #lrnchat I thought that was the definition of a consultant!
9:15:46 pm hjarche: @KevinDJones have to agree on advantage of free-agents ;-0 #lrnchat
9:15:47 pm mobilemind: sometimes I feel like ID is what lets you know how bad training really is. #lrnchat
9:16:02 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat Is IDS dead?
9:16:48 pm hjarche: @hjarche OMG – I hope not #lrnchat
9:16:50 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat competency: knows the difference between presentation and training.
9:17:02 pm mobilemind: and as an ID, the field too often reminds you of the consequences of shortcuts taken in name of “average learning” & budget #lrnchat
9:17:08 pm row4it: @moehlert Agreed Mark, but the outsider can get away with challenging that culture easier than the insider…at times. #lrnchat
9:17:10 pm Erick1970: RT @MariaOD Is IDS dead? (or is it evolving?) #lrnchat
9:17:25 pm oxala75: @mobilemind dude, you are seriously quoteworthy 2nite #lrnchat
9:17:28 pm JaneBozarth: RT@mobilemind: sometimes I feel like ID is what lets you know how bad training really is. #lrnchat
9:17:36 pm moehlert: #lrnchat I think we need to understand what ISD is though….
9:17:39 pm marciamarcia: The best we can do is create a environment rich with opportunity to learn, rather than “instruction” per-se. #lrnchat
9:17:40 pm roninchef: @MariaOD No, but your blog will get clicks if you say it is. #lrnchat
9:17:41 pm KevinDJones: @mariaOD, not dead, just maybe not as over-emphasised as it is to the exclusion of others. #lrnchat
9:18:45 pm hjarche: @MariaOD ISD is like software waterfall method http://is.gd/IAHL IMO | outdated #lrnchat
9:18:46 pm row4it: @mobilemind Yes you can really see how bad it is once you know how good it can be. #lrnchat
9:18:50 pm shantarohse: ID is so loaded a term, that it is to simple to say just yeah or nay. #lrnchat
9:18:54 pm Erick1970: ISD should be flexible design guidelines not rigid rules. #lrnchat
9:19:01 pm KevinDJones: #lrnchat competency: knows the difference between training and learning
9:19:02 pm oxala75: @marciamarcia yeah. that’s a bit more like gardening than downloading. True and rewarding, but not as sexy/ROI-positive. #lrnchat
9:19:21 pm moehlert: #lrnchat We say “ISD” but what do we mean? 9 Events? 4-5 Levels? or ADDIE?
9:19:33 pm row4it: RT @oxala75: @mobilemind dude, you are seriously quoteworthy 2nite #lrnchat Agreed,
9:19:43 pm mobilemind: strong motivation or great instructor can recover from bad/no ID, but in elearning it can just tarnish the whole lot for all, fastr #lrnchat
9:20:32 pm marciamarcia: Am I the only one ready to welcome back in the training vs. learning label debate? Seems training was renamed w/o real attn to diff #lrnchat
9:20:50 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat@moehlert whichever gagne,ADDIE, blooms, all…apply #lrnchat
9:20:55 pm hjarche: @shantarohse ID may be loaded, but ISD is specific – it is a designated process, that in my opinion has outlived its usefulness #lrnchat
9:21:07 pm roninchef: @moehlert All of the above. We use them like filters to figure out which model works best. #lrnchat
9:21:37 pm MariaOD: @marciamarcia isn’t still a hot debate? #lrnchat
9:21:46 pm KevinDJones: @marciamarcia – I’ll show up #lrnchat
9:21:59 pm hjarche: all models are flawed, but some models are useful #lrnchat
9:21:59 pm mobilemind: you can be “trained” without being “learned”, but being “learned” with not training is a real challenge #lrnchat
9:22:01 pm row4it: @marciamarcia The pendulum is returning to realizing both are important and needed, I believe. #lrnchat
9:22:02 pm cammybean: I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, ID means different things to different people. #lrnchat
9:22:11 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @mariaOD but isn’t that part of the problem? Is ID a school of thought or a production model?
9:22:15 pm oxala75: @Erick1970 should be. #lrnchat
9:22:35 pm mobilemind: maybe training is about knowing enough, learning is about knowing more & more #lrnchat
9:22:48 pm hjarche: @cammybean ID or ISD? #lrnchat
9:23:00 pm cammybean: ID to a designer of self-paced elearning is diff than ID to a designer of an online college curriculum. #lrnchat
9:23:10 pm moehlert: #lrnchat You all should see the debate on the Serious Games listserv about what the relevant academic domain is for serious games
9:23:15 pm rpannoni: @marciamarcia Does training = formal learning? #lrnchat
9:23:26 pm cammybean: @hjarche ID #lrnchat
9:23:29 pm klowey22: RT @mobilemind: maybe training is about knowing enough, learning is about knowing more & more #lrnchat
9:23:36 pm shantarohse: And some have outlived their usefulness RT @hjarche all models are flawed, but some models are useful #lrnchat
9:24:09 pm mobilemind: sometimes training/”enough” is all that can be afforded/expended, it is “just right” or efficient. & really good inspires learning #lrnchat
9:24:10 pm oxala75: @hjarche yeah, i wanna explore the differences so more #lrnchat
9:24:11 pm KevinDJones: IMO: elearing is a subset of training is a subset of learning is a subset of HTP is a means to business goals. #lrnchat
9:24:28 pm lrnchat: Q1c: So back to the question in light of this convo – What do workplace learning ppl need to know re: design? models? otherwise? #lrnchat
9:24:35 pm odguru: Found the 7 things learning pairs need to transfer knowledge http://tiny.cc/nn5Qy #lrnchat
9:24:37 pm cammybean: To me, ‘training’ connotes a process — learn these steps… #lrnchat
9:24:59 pm oxala75: @rpannoni I would think so. Training is organized, intended action, no? #lrnchat
9:25:04 pm moehlert: #lrnchat one of my issues is with models is that our community doesn’t seem all that into attacking outdated models
9:25:10 pm mobilemind: @KevinDJones HTP?? expand please #lrnchat
9:25:46 pm cammybean: Q1c: workplace learning ppl need to know what works for the people they’re working with. #lrnchat
9:25:48 pm KevinDJones: @mobilemind HPT, sorry – human performance technology – performance improvement #lrnchat
9:25:49 pm hjarche: @KevinDJones HPT is practical model, though it has its flaws (incomplete) #lrnchat
9:25:56 pm annemscott: @cammybean Shouldn’t the ID models be similar? You still have to consider audience, identify gaps, etc. #lrnchat
9:26:24 pm tgrevatt: Greetings #lrnchat sorry to miss out. Chilling after a 74mile bike ride. Ott to upstate NY. Have a good one!
9:26:24 pm marciamarcia: @rpannoni Does training=formal learning? You’d think that from pop lit but to me one is supply focused, other demand focus. #lrnchat
9:26:43 pm hjarche: discussion on HPT http://is.gd/IAYW #lrnchat
9:26:56 pm shantarohse: @moehlert Agreed. Models aren’t sacred cows. They are tools to be used and replaced as needed. #lrnchat
9:26:56 pm mobilemind: @KevinDJones Thanks. I remember talk of instructional design v. performance design in grad school back in late 80’s #lrnchat
9:27:08 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Need to solve a problem, not deliver a ‘workshop’
9:27:13 pm oxala75: workplace learning people need to understand how learning theory fits into existing work processes #lrnchat
9:27:21 pm cammybean: @annemscott Models similar, yes. But what one does as an ID can be very, very different. #lrnchat
9:27:24 pm jmarrapodi: Evenin’ all. #lrnchat
9:27:31 pm mobilemind: challenge is that often perf design wants to change the system rather than train #lrnchat
9:27:38 pm Erick1970: What do wrkplc learning ppl need to know? Learning is part of a greater approach to designing highly effective organizations. #lrnchat
9:27:44 pm MarkMorganMA: A 2 Q1c – Design, models, are imp, but the ability to connect with the learners and see their way to results is harder to learn.#lrnchat
9:27:52 pm hjarche: @tgrevatt no more spring butt, I presume😉 #lrnchat
9:27:59 pm oxala75: correction: workplace learning ppl need to make learning theory fit into or change existing work processes #lrnchat
9:28:02 pm marciamarcia: @cammybean Ironic. I misread ur response at first as “works for the people they’re working *on*”. That often how it feels. #lrnchat
9:28:07 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @shantarohse but our ‘industry’ commercializes these models and that makes them really hard to critically assess.
9:28:09 pm shantarohse: Great question RT @annemscott Shouldn’t the ID models be similar? You still have to consider audience, identify gaps, etc. #lrnchat
9:28:18 pm mobilemind: Perf. design- do we “train” them to obey speed limit, or let them “learn” to slow down for speed bumps #lrnchat
9:28:22 pm row4it: RT @JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Need to solve a problem, not deliver a ‘workshop’ or improve perf. change behavior
9:28:34 pm KevinDJones: @hjarche true – I used HPT and performance improvement interchangably – but that isn’t quite right. #lrnchat
9:29:41 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @shantarohse I mean for pete’s sake, ASTD designated people as “Legends” as some of them seem to really believe it!
9:29:46 pm JaneBozarth: RT @mobilemind: Perf. design- do we “train” them to obey speed limit, or let them “learn” to slow down for speed bumps #lrnchat
9:29:48 pm marciamarcia: We still seem to be neglecting any mention of helping people learn how to learn or liberate their self-direction. #lrnchat
9:29:55 pm Erick1970: @mobilemind not a fan of perf design — perf mgmt systems & support tools that encourage learning – yes. #lrnchat
9:30:14 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat What do wrkplc learning ppl need to know? Learning is vital to our survival!
9:30:32 pm odguru: Need to bring people to their own point of choice. http://tiny.cc/UB3PL #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:30:37 pm cammybean: Theories be damned, just tell me what works for this learner — if you can… #lrnchat
9:30:38 pm oxala75: @marciamarcia oh, yes, i guess that’s important too #lrnchat
9:30:45 pm rpannoni: @marciamarcia I like this. But demand-focused doesn’t always work . No one would volunteer for a sex harassment course. #lrnchat
9:31:06 pm JaneBozarth: @marciamarcia #lrnchat Good book on this “Developing Learners who Love to Learn’ by Honold.
9:31:38 pm klowey22: #lrnchat maybe senge said it best w ‘only sustainable competitive adv is to learn faster than competition’ pretty sure it wasnt train🙂
9:31:47 pm marciamarcia: @rpannoni There is a need in organizations for both training and learning. Just frustrates me they’re muddled together so often. #lrnchat
9:31:48 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat effectively managing change is the first start to helping ppl learn.@marciamarcia
9:31:50 pm Priaak: In the context of the discussion, what would you look for while hiring a learning professional? Does an ID degree/cert matter? #lrnchat/
9:31:59 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @cammybean Nail on Head Award. I think our industry has multiple personality disorder.(cont)
9:32:46 pm cammybean: RT @Priaak: … Does an ID degree/cert matter? #lrnchat/ ||One of my favorite topics!
9:32:56 pm jmarrapodi: @JaneBozarth Is this the book? http://bit.ly/o2Azz #lrnchat
9:33:02 pm hjarche: @Priaak IMO degree not worth shit (pardon my language) #lrnchat
9:33:15 pm moehlert: #lrnchat @cammybean …1 half wants 2 be about production and performance & the other portion wants to conduct meaningful research
9:33:45 pm jmarrapodi: @marciamarcia Are you saying that training and learning are mutually exclusive? #lrnchat
9:33:55 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat @moehlert I agree it should be a production model, but you select the method to achieve the learning objectives. What do you think?
9:34:27 pm cammybean: @moehlert Can there be more that two halves in this world? #lrnchat
9:34:29 pm tgrevatt: @hjarche lol ask me that in another 500km! Headwinds all day – pretty hard. Happy to be off the bike. Great gang and well supported #lrnchat
9:34:34 pm rpannoni: @MariaOD managing change – definitely agree. How people change and how organizations change. #lrnchat
9:34:38 pm roninchef: @hjarche good to hear! Definitely lacking in that dept. #lrnchat
9:34:41 pm jmarrapodi: @moehlert Actually that’s the great divide between academia and corp. Corp doesn’t give a hoot about research generally. #lrnchat
9:34:53 pm KevinDJones: #lrnchat @hjarche degree may not be, but it is what impresses others on the outset, unfortunately.
9:35:03 pm Erick1970: @Priaak Does an ID degree/cert matter? only if it has real-world application and value that is credible. #lrnchat
9:35:07 pm mobilemind: @hjarche in my opinion ISD degree IS worthwhile- for the learner. But no guarantee for the learning the ISD creates #lrnchat
9:35:12 pm hjarche: @MariaOD learning objectives highly subjective & irrelevant when addressing complex situations #lrnchat
9:35:12 pm marciamarcia: @klowey22 Here here! (Arie de Geus said it tho, Senge just repeated it widely). Wish more orgs recognized it. A fave topic of mine. #lrnchat
9:34:27 pm cammybean: @moehlert Can there be more that two halves in this world? #lrnchat
9:34:29 pm tgrevatt: @hjarche lol ask me that in another 500km! Headwinds all day – pretty hard. Happy to be off the bike. Great gang and well supported #lrnchat
9:34:34 pm rpannoni: @MariaOD managing change – definitely agree. How people change and how organizations change. #lrnchat
9:34:38 pm roninchef: @hjarche good to hear! Definitely lacking in that dept. #lrnchat
9:34:41 pm jmarrapodi: @moehlert Actually that’s the great divide between academia and corp. Corp doesn’t give a hoot about research generally. #lrnchat
9:34:53 pm KevinDJones: #lrnchat @hjarche degree may not be, but it is what impresses others on the outset, unfortunately.
9:35:03 pm Erick1970: @Priaak Does an ID degree/cert matter? only if it has real-world application and value that is credible. #lrnchat
9:35:07 pm mobilemind: @hjarche in my opinion ISD degree IS worthwhile- for the learner. But no guarantee for the learning the ISD creates #lrnchat
9:35:12 pm hjarche: @MariaOD learning objectives highly subjective & irrelevant when addressing complex situations #lrnchat
9:35:12 pm marciamarcia: @klowey22 Here here! (Arie de Geus said it tho, Senge just repeated it widely). Wish more orgs recognized it. A fave topic of mine. #lrnchat
9:35:19 pm klowey22: @MariaOD #lrnchat agreed – set learning objectives and achieve them best u can thru audience u have
9:35:23 pm oxala75: @jmarrapodi my high school experience would seem to suggest this #lrnchat
9:36:02 pm hjarche: @KevinDJones agree that degree seen as valuable by others (that’s why I have some) #lrnchat
9:36:33 pm marciamarcia: Learning & training mutually exclusive? Heck no. Just not the same thing and most often learning happens w/o training. @jmarrapodi #lrnchat
9:36:35 pm klowey22: @marciamarcia #lrnchat guess i should have known arie said it….sorry…
9:36:44 pm MarkMorganMA: Learning, training … A rose by any other name would smell as sweet #lrnchat
9:36:46 pm MariaOD: @hjarche man…thanks! #lrnchat
9:36:52 pm jmarrapodi: @oxala75 lol Did you get your iphone yet? If my BBY keeps seizing I may be joining you. #lrnchat
9:37:08 pm cammybean: I’ve done a survey of practicing IDs and something like 38% have degrees in ID. #lrnchat
9:37:19 pm moehlert: @MariaOD #lrnchat Well if its a production model then let’s quit pretending we’re about learning.
9:37:37 pm jmarrapodi: @marciamarcia Ah, hence Jay Cross’ big model of the great realms of informal learning. #lrnchat
9:37:47 pm oxala75: @jmarrapodi no, my bake sale has not materialized🙂 #lrnchat
9:37:48 pm moehlert: @jmarrapodi #lrnchat They do when they see it aligned with business – look at IBM
9:38:01 pm odguru: For both training & learning Imp: learner motivation as well as pacing and chunking. What can the individ & aggregate system bear #lrnchat
9:38:16 pm JaneBozarth: @jmarrapodi Yes title correction “Developing Employees who Love to Learn” author Linda Honold #lrnchat
9:38:19 pm moehlert: @cammybean #lrnchat Yes. I’m half German, half Scottish and and half Irish🙂
9:38:21 pm cammybean: RT @techherding: @cammybean Training is what you do to puppies. #lrnchat
9:38:21 pm oxala75: @cammybean yeah, i remember that. that study sparked a fun discussion at work #lrnchat
9:38:29 pm jmarrapodi: @cammybean Well, you have the “fell into it category” from the line, the “couldn’t find a job” teachers, and the 1/3 ID folks. #lrnchat
9:38:45 pm moehlert: RT @cammybean: RT @techherding: @cammybean Training is what you do to puppies. #lrnchat
9:38:54 pm cammybean: IDs: Do You Have a Degree in ID? (survey) http://bit.ly/z2KUy #lrnchat
9:38:54 pm enzofsilva: #lrnchat training is a quick fix, tempory solution… Learning is a lifelong experience, often spontaneous and voluntary…
9:38:54 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat we are in the performance enchancing business…and ID is the drug of choice lol sorry sad humor@moehlert
9:38:58 pm hjarche: if I had to develop a lot of learning “stuff” last people I would hire would ID’s (sorry) – artists, writers would come 1st #lrnchat
9:40:09 pm oxala75: man, this chat is dropping some jewels tonight. #lrnchat
9:40:13 pm hjarche: @MariaOD training is drug of choice for now, but costs are causing buyers to ask Why? #lrnchat
9:40:26 pm cammybean: RT @techherding: @cammybean In my experience, a “degree” in Instructional Design is often more of an obstruction than a help. #lrnchat
9:40:36 pm Erick1970: @hjarche Are you saying design is a more important competency then following a instructional system? #lrnchat
9:40:46 pm moehlert: @MariaOD #lrnchat but our efforts actually measured by perf improvement or by courses/modules produced?
9:40:49 pm marciamarcia: RT @hjarche If I had to develop a lot of learning stuff, I would hire artists, writers 1st. #lrnchat
9:41:13 pm Erick1970: @hjarche Yes, buyers are wanting systematic solutions to business problems, not training. #lrnchat
9:41:36 pm jmarrapodi: @oxala75 Hey!!! Maybe we should write an article for some research journal. Gag. Now there’s a paradigm shift. Twitter vs. journals #lrnchat
9:41:59 pm marciamarcia: @enzofsilva Training has long-term benefits too. Consider CPR training, driver training. #lrnchat
9:42:23 pm Erick1970: RT @moehlert @MariaOD #lrnchat but our efforts actually measured by perf improvement or by courses/modules produced? #lrnchat
9:42:27 pm oxala75: @jmarrapodi i know where i’d put my money #lrnchat
9:42:38 pm hjarche: @Erick1970 agree #lrnchat
9:42:57 pm mfubib: RT @cammybean: IDs: Do You Have a Degree in ID? (survey) http://bit.ly/z2KUy #lrnchat
9:42:58 pm jmarrapodi: @cammybean I’d second that on the degree being an obstruction in some ways. Sometimes it’s “other perception”. My degree helps me. #lrnchat
9:43:37 pm hjarche: @Erick1970 design is WAY more important than ISD, IMO #lrnchat
9:43:45 pm jenniethede: @cammybean Just completed your ID survey #lrnchat
9:43:54 pm lrnchat: @jmarrapodi Maybe not journal article, but there seems to be an opp for a new job description developing here worthy of publishing. #lrnchat
9:44:04 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat i’ve had this debate-what’s in a name…training, education, development makes no difference to me.I want to provide k/s!@moehlert
9:44:30 pm mobilemind: @MariaOD ISD just drug of choice for training/perf. improvement, then is PPT moonshine? huffing spray paint? spinning til dizzy? #lrnchat
9:44:58 pm cammybean: “Instructional Designer” as a job title is a HUGE umbrella term. There are so many flavors of ID. #lrnchat
9:45:05 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat @Erick1970 anybody doing ROI, ROE or kirkpartrick?
9:45:23 pm jmarrapodi: @lrnchat Actually @dwilkinsnh had a whole slew of potential job descriptions in a preso he did with the SoMe paradigm change. #lrnchat
9:45:56 pm klowey22: @MariaOD #lrnchat yes, we do ROI, ROE and kirkpatrick… good ‘results’ in ROI and kirkpatrick
9:46:01 pm Erick1970: Orgs want to identify future talent sooner & develop people’s skills & abilities faster w/o the classroom & trad elearning #lrnchat
9:46:15 pm Priaak: RT @cammybean: “Instructional Designer” as a job title is a HUGE umbrella term. There are so many flavors of ID. #lrnchat
9:46:52 pm lrnchat: I don’t want to stop this flow w/ a new full question, but welcome more comment on what’s being measured. #lrnchat
9:47:01 pm oxala75: @jmarrapodi @dwilkinsnh hm. that would be interesting to see. #lrnchat
9:47:16 pm odguru: @MariaOD I do learning impact scorecards of various ilk. Sometimes ROI measures. Great fun. #lrnchat
9:47:19 pm jmarrapodi: RT @cammybean ID as a job title is a HUGE umbrella term. yes. Ellen Wagner talks about that changing function #lrnchat
9:47:35 pm cammybean: Disclosure: I do not have a degree in ID. Has it held me back, no? Do I have a lot to learn, absolutely. #lrnchat
9:47:37 pm rpannoni: When I was a training mgr hiring IDs, I hired for talent, not degree. I can teach ID on the job, but not talent. #lrnchat
9:47:41 pm hjarche: I am not an ID though I have worked in ISD for 2 decades #lrnchat
9:48:18 pm klowey22: @rpannoni #lrnchat how did u determine talent?
9:48:40 pm jmarrapodi: @dwilkinsnh new roles http://bit.ly/BxNtH near the end #lrnchat
9:48:47 pm marciamarcia: @hjarche Is that like saying, “I played an ISD on TV for 20 yrs?” Sounds like a soap opera to me!🙂 #lrnchat
9:48:53 pm Priaak: RT @marciamarcia RT @hjarche If I had to develop a lot of learning stuff, I would hire artists, writers 1st. #lrnchat #lrnchat/
9:49:01 pm jenniethede: Strong IDs cut through the clutter, write well and collaborate with visual designers. Esp. for online training. #lrnchat
9:49:27 pm BradStokes: #lrnchat I’m more for educational design that ID, learning not instruction
9:49:32 pm MarkMorganMA: Our best measurements are use of new skills. The Management gets the link to results #lrnchat
9:49:53 pm shantarohse: @marciamarcia @hjarche And I thought it sounded like remorse😉 #lrnchat
9:49:54 pm rpannoni: @klowey22 Mostly looking at work samples. #lrnchat
9:50:02 pm Erick1970: @MariaOD Don’t know – there is a shift away from learning centric measures to org & individual performance measures. #lrnchat
9:50:14 pm djmmuir: #lrnchat We always had teams developing courseware: diversity of talents is required if 1 person tackles the job (the many facets of ID).
9:50:18 pm cammybean: The Value of Instructional Designers: This post sparked a great debate on these same lines. http://bit.ly/VW3IS #lrnchat
9:50:20 pm oxala75: @klowey22 that’s the question, innit? #lrnchat
9:50:32 pm MarkMorganMA: ROI is less believable, but we need to provide some $$$$ #lrnchat
9:51:07 pm cammybean: @aaron_dewald I don’t think it’s necessarily an obstruction (that was a RT of someone else) #lrnchat
9:51:31 pm oxala75: @jenniethede yeah, that’s pretty much the job description – at least for me right now #lrnchat
9:51:44 pm cammybean: @aaron_dewald But if you’ve got no real ID experience and can just spout theory, then I’m not that interested #lrnchat
9:51:50 pm hjarche: @marciamarcia naw, I just don’t get the ID appellation – I’m a business consultant who understands learning, business & technology #lrnchat
9:52:16 pm lrnchat: Over the next 10 minutes, please re-introduce yourself (w/ a link if possible) and tell us if we can help in some way. #lrnchat
9:52:21 pm mobilemind: For my friends @jimfarrell & @EricShepherd twitter search URL for all of today’s Thurs. night learn chat; #lrnchat http://bit.ly/GFqDX
9:52:37 pm hjarche: @shantarohse no remorse – more money in business than learning #lrnchat
9:52:40 pm odguru: Measurement categories I use for trng/lrng are: strategic alignment, lrng effectiveness, and org impact (can find $ here) #lrnchat
9:52:42 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat @jenniethede challenging to provide engaging learning now when SoMe so prevalent. Click here,do this,learners have to be motivated.
9:53:53 pm hjarche: http://www.jarche.com/ and I’m beyond help😉 #lrnchat
9:54:53 pm djmmuir: If you do value based pricing for your services, a baseline and demonstrated ROI is essential. #lrnchat
9:55:15 pm Erick1970: RT @odguru Measurement categories I use for trng/lrng are: strategic alignment, lrng effectiveness, and org impact(can find $ here) #lrnchat
9:55:20 pm marciamarcia: RT odguru Measurement categories I use for trng/lrng are: strategic alignment, lrng effectiveness, and org impact (can find $ here) #lrnchat
9:55:22 pm rpannoni: The problem with good measurement is that it’s expensive and time consuming. Corps would rather have more courses. #lrnchat
9:55:55 pm mobilemind: @mobilemind or for my new friend @jimfarrell & my friend @jimpfarrell #lrnchat from this Thurs: http://bit.ly/GFqDX
9:55:57 pm oxala75: Craig: e-learning jockey. Alexandria VA. Reclining. Occasional blogger: http://bit.ly/11wf8f #lrnchat
9:56:39 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat I am an org dev specialist and my challenge this year is calculating ROI and build a culture of learning at our org@lrnchat
9:56:44 pm oxala75: @rpannoni oh man. that’s…yeah. what i wouldn’t give for some focus on performance assessment. #lrnchat
9:56:48 pm jmarrapodi: Jean Marrapodi, http://www.applestar.org, Looking for a clever name for “The Twitter Project” for low literacy adult learners. #lrnchat
9:56:51 pm dbolen: thanks for the chat re competencies earlier @dbolen #lrnchat
9:56:58 pm Erick1970: @rpannoni good measurement takes a systematic approach & statistical tools – do most learning departments lack competency in this? #lrnchat
9:57:01 pm lrnchat: @mobilemind We’ll post a transcript of the full #lrnchat on https://lrnchat.wordpress.com before the night’s out.
9:57:07 pm cammybean: ID by trade, mom, blogger, new iPhone user, new virtual office worker, new job: http://learningvisions.blogspot.com/ #lrnchat
9:57:23 pm MarkMorganMA: No Link. Cement manufacturing technical expert – training manager – social learning newbie #lrnchat
9:57:34 pm mobilemind: Very fun to directly participate in #lrnchat for once. Thanks for the lively ideas everyone. I’ll be back after #ASTD #lrnchat
9:57:54 pm klowey22: #lrnchat john here: working on a specific education (learning) reform concept. would LOVE this groups’ help/support – http://is.gd/ICBb
9:57:58 pm cammybean: That is to say, I need a LOT of help🙂 #lrnchat
9:58:36 pm roninchef: @oxala75 I will be using the term e-learning jockey. #lrnchat
9:58:40 pm dpontefract: @hjarche I’d hire a couple of poets and a few graphic designers, along with some new media whiz kids (given clean slate and $$$) #lrnchat
9:58:47 pm BradStokes: Brad Stokes Wollongong AU, http://mtraining.com.au http://bradstokes.com.au Looked like a good conversation to join #lrnchat
9:58:51 pm jenniethede: Intro: self-employed ID/copywriter in Portland OR http://www.jenniethede.com / #lrnchat
9:59:13 pm rpannoni: @Erick1970 Yes. But mostly they lack the will. #lrnchat
9:59:18 pm MarkMorganMA: @Erick1970 @rpannoni good measurement … It also takes knowledge of the business and how the leaders think #lrnchat
9:59:40 pm klowey22: @roninchef #lrnchat may we all steal e-learning jockey?🙂
10:00:09 pm mobilemind: @lrnchat Thanks. I’ll check blog too. I learned to do advanced search.twitter for tag bounded by yesterday til tomorrow from this. #lrnchat
10:00:23 pm oxala75: @klowey22 be my guest! #lrnchat
10:00:41 pm marciamarcia: Writer, editor, social media & learning strategist. http://marciaconner.com. Love learning from #lrnchat (which I also moderate @lrnchat)
10:00:46 pm row4it: Kevin here continuing to morph/merge a corp. u. and quality office into new center for org. performance. Wish me luck! #lrnchat
10:00:58 pm cammybean: @mobilemind Thanks for all the insights at #lrnchat
10:01:03 pm shantarohse: @klowey22 That’s quite the blog post opener! #lrnchat
10:01:15 pm JaneBozarth: http://bozarthzone.blogspot… Author, Trainer, ID, gubmint worker,devil’s advocate, and force of nature. Durham NC #lrnchat
10:01:22 pm rpannoni: Intro: enterprise learning and technology consultant. http://www.razorlearning.com/about.shtml #lrnchat
10:01:26 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat yes, i am noticing the leadership taking notice of capacity more and more and learning alignment with the business goals@Erick1970
10:01:29 pm lrnchat: Reminder that if you haven’t yet told us a little about yourself on #lrnchat website, please do https://lrnchat.wordpress.com/whos-who/
10:01:31 pm odguru: ChristyPettit (MBA actlly) mez, knowledge collab netwrks and learning transfer. Always looking for input! WIP http://tiny.cc/3 #lrnchat
10:02:01 pm oxala75: @roninchef awesome🙂 it neatly sums up my current job description. #lrnchat
10:02:17 pm hjarche: @dpontefract yah, but you’d need a budget for that😉 #lrnchat
10:02:25 pm dpontefract: @marciamarcia I think of it as technical, leadership, professional and sales/marketing – those are my ‘faculties #lrnchat
10:02:27 pm row4it: RT @cammybean: @mobilemind Thanks for all the insights at #lrnchat Yes, great addition Mobilemind
10:02:28 pm lrnchat: Thanks everyone for another great #lrnchat. Look forward to more in the weeks ahead. Also, remember to pls send or post questions.
10:02:37 pm roninchef: Mason, elearning developer, open source advocate. One day http://www.roninchef.com will be more than my Twitter feed. #lrnchat
10:02:40 pm Erick1970: @MariaOD Yes, they are. They are seeking a more “scientific” & individualized approach. #lrnchat
10:02:41 pm mobilemind: one last #lrnchat tweet: I’m a tech geek/ISD and a well socialized elearning standards wonk
10:03:11 pm klowey22: @row4it #lrnchat wow, good luck! keep us abreast of lessons learned?
10:03:30 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat hired under a different title but when i got my business cards said ID – had to learn that culture fast.
10:04:23 pm oxala75: what i want out of #lrnchat is what i am getting – more smart takes on stuff that my ID team discusses.
10:04:24 pm cammybean: @mobilemind See you at ASTD? Beer & Bloggers Monday Night @ Dubliner #lrnchat
10:04:30 pm roninchef: @oxala75 Mine too. I am learning a ton though. I am the only developer on my team. #lrnchat
10:04:36 pm odguru: Chirsty Pettit. Corrected link. Input welcome http://tiny.cc/LxZaq #lrnchat
10:04:45 pm MarkMorganMA: Thanks to all. This was great for me .. #lrnchat
10:05:05 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat – but currently have been able to put “student engagement” into job description; not CRM instead immersion – Web 2.0, games VWs
10:05:31 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat @Erick1970 they are also seeking relevance and meaningful…can this be used to enhance productivity? Yes..go. No…shelf!
10:05:54 pm JaneBozarth: I always find #lrnchat energizing and fun. Thanks everyone!
10:06:12 pm Erick1970: @MarkMorganMA starting a learning project with a business impact model is a place to start measurement. #lrnchat
10:06:40 pm hjarche: thx all #lrnchat
10:07:17 pm row4it: Another great night of sharing and learning,,,,until next time. KB #lrnchat
10:07:30 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat – actually reading books like “How to Write 4 Video Games”
10:07:35 pm oxala75: @roninchef that’s got to be fun (non-ironically) #lrnchat
10:07:54 pm cammybean: Glad to participate tonight, with a special thanks to my kids for falling asleep at a a reasonable hour! #lrnchat
10:08:47 pm dpontefract: @marciamarcia I learned a lot from ‘the brain that changes itself’ from Doidge and Pink’s ‘whole new mind’ #lrnchat
10:09:08 pm BradStokes: #lrnchat Context and engagement are key to successful learning experiences. Games are a great way to achieve this end http://www.thiagi.com
10:09:18 pm jenniethede: thanks everyone! I’ll join again next time. #lrnchat
10:09:31 pm MariaOD: #lrnchat Thank you everyone. Cnt wait to read the logs. Great conversations!@lrnchat

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