Transcript of #lrnchat for 05/21/09

8:30:57 pm lrnchat: Time to begin #lrnchat! Hoping the net’s more favorable to us tonight that last week.
8:31:16 pm tgrevatt: Good evening #lrnchat from Ottawa (summer finally arrived today – yay!). #lrnchat
8:32:10 pm roninchef: It is still in the 70s up here in Portland Me. Mason here. Hi everybody. #lrnchat
8:32:55 pm lrnchat: Let’s start with the #lrnchat rules: 1) Introduce yourself (we’ll do this again at the end).
8:32:55 pm VWassessments: Evening everyone! tweeting from Colorado just finished working a 4 day inhouse conference on teaching with technology #lrnchat
8:33:37 pm roninchef: Mason Masteka Elearning Curriculum Developer in Portland ME. #lrnchat
8:33:52 pm lrnchat: 2. [try to] stay on the #lrnchat topic, a new question will b asked every 20 min or so. Please begin posts related to a question w/ the Q#.
8:34:19 pm lrnchat: [bonus rule: try to remember to include #lrnchat in your post!]
8:34:21 pm tgrevatt: Treena Grevatt from Ottawa, product manager with DISTIL, a games-based learning company (with sunburn, oops, english complexion) #lrnchat
8:34:46 pm lrnchat: 3. on #lrnchat we aim to play nice.
8:35:01 pm jmarrapodi: #lrnchat Hi all. Anybody know an app like Tweetchat for the BlackBerry? Trying to be creative here. Twitterberry doesn’t screen.
8:35:19 pm oxala75: finally made it to a #lrnchat – Craig in Alexandria VA. 75-ish outside.
8:35:40 pm row4it: Beautiful day in Central Virginia, low humidity high 85, evening learners, #lrnchat
8:35:47 pm lrnchat: 4. 10min before end, #lrnchat moderators will ask if you need anything from the other participants. Time to reintroduce yourself too.
8:35:58 pm Priaak: Hi all – san mateo, CA #lrnchat/
8:36:26 pm jilliant: Hey everyone! In the midst of setting up a new LMS and devising corporation-wide learning plans. In VT. #lrnchat
8:37:19 pm lrnchat: If you haven’t done so already, consider posting to at the end of #lrnchat
8:37:45 pm roninchef: Things are moving tonight. I probably won’t need the 5 Twitter apps I have running. #lrnchat
8:38:16 pm lrnchat: I’ll be sending out #lrnchat questions from this account (so if you lose track, you can check here). Feel free to RT, tho.
8:39:45 pm JaneBozarth: Hi #lrnchat what up?
8:39:55 pm bschlenker: #lrnchat Good evening lrnchat-ers! Do we have a topic tonight? @Jilliant What LMS are you implementing?
8:40:05 pm Quinnovator: g’day all! #lrnchat
8:40:15 pm wvpmc: Hi all – Wendy Van Parys Marketing Communications from CT #lrnchat
8:40:23 pm lrnchat: Q0 (our #lrnchat warmup): What did you learn today? (If nothing that interesting, tell us about something you learned this week.)
8:40:48 pm jilliant: @bschlenker Implementing GeoLearning. #lrnchat
8:40:51 pm tgrevatt: @jmarrapodi alas, a quick google search doesn’t seem to yield much for BBerry, can’t help you I’m afraid. Hope others can. #lrnchat
8:41:34 pm Quinnovator: learned that some people still think games/simulations means tarted up drill and kill (sigh) #lrnchat
8:41:59 pm tgrevatt: Q0 Alas, I learned that MS Publisher doesn’t place nicely with any open source apps. Grrr. Does anything open .pub files? #lrnchat
8:42:11 pm Priaak: computer generated voice annoys people #lrnchat/
8:42:20 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat today learned some new ideas for working w/ SMEs, got a new template for that from one of my VILT session participants
8:42:24 pm marciamarcia: My big learning today isn’t as learning-related as personally mind-bending. My 4yr old swam a lap at the Y pool (w/ 2 short breaks) #lrnchat
8:42:31 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator I saw that too. Made me wince. #lrnchat
8:43:12 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat – if you challenge your instructors they can live up 2 your expectations even if they have their doubts.
8:43:20 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat also learned (happily) that the new kitchen countertops won’t cost as much as I feared!
8:43:22 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef well, we’re educators, right? (he says, wearily) We’ll get there. #lrnchat
8:43:49 pm marciamarcia: @tgrevatt Haven’t found anything to open/deal well w/ .pub files, but I’ve had some luck exporting to word or html. Ugly but works. #lrnchat
8:44:12 pm Quinnovator: @VWassessments that’s a nice learning. True for learners, too! #lrnchat
8:44:13 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator Horse and water = wet horse. #lrnchat
8:44:19 pm Alkmaar90: We’re implementing SAP HR, and not that happy about it. #lrnchat
8:44:37 pm dbolen: ACU provided iPhone/iPod Touch to freshman facilitating mobile learning #lrnchat
8:44:44 pm marciamarcia: Learned that some people still think games/simulations means tarted up drill and kill (sigh). via @Quinnovator #lrnchat
8:45:22 pm marciamarcia: I also saw a flurry of new mobile learning articles. Hurray. Finally. #lrnchat
8:45:36 pm Quinnovator: @dbolen yep: most amazing thing to me is getting the commitment! Not easy. #lrnchat
8:46:01 pm roninchef: Learned that if someone borrows your recording equipment they still won’t record it the way you do. #lrnchat
8:46:01 pm Quinnovator: @marciamarcia is there a list? #lrnchat
8:46:10 pm tgrevatt: @marciamarcia Thanks, will try. Prepping some .pub files for translation, a bit messy. Scribus looks to handle it better… #lrnchat
8:46:21 pm VWassessments: @marciamarcia – love to hear ur verision o f “tarted up” as it applies 2 games #lrnchat
8:46:52 pm oxala75: learned people in my office are cottoning to SharePoint faster than regulations can be placed on them. #lrnchat
8:47:06 pm marciamarcia: @Quinnovator I’ll post a few links during the chat to Mobile learning articles. #lrnchat
8:47:25 pm Quinnovator: @VWassessments tarted up = knowledge test in ‘game show’ formats. Putting lipstick on a pig… #lrnchat
8:47:36 pm oxala75: @roninchef so. true. #lrnchat
8:47:59 pm NorthMetroSBDC: #lrnchat: Today I learned that you can get free customized astronomy pictures from
8:48:02 pm wvpmc: great post on new look at what to measure in market research by@ericreis, also tracking devel in semantic web (~artificial intell) #lrnchat
8:48:08 pm JaneBozarth: @Alkmaar90 #lrnchat Tell more about unhappiness w/ SAP HR?
8:48:29 pm roninchef: @oxala75 I still get the privilege of editing their files though. #lrnchat
8:48:55 pm lrnchat: Not to late to tell us what you learned today (or introduce yourself). Seems we’re warm up on #lrnchat now.
8:49:01 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator #lrnchat tarted up = easier to tart up mult choice test than create good simulation…so that’s what gets done, alas.
8:49:12 pm oxala75: @Quinnovator ‘Jeopardy’ rearing its ugly head? #lrnchat
8:49:26 pm jmarrapodi: I learned to be careful what attributes you give to your SMEs in public forums like Twitter. #lrnchat
8:49:35 pm tgrevatt: @Quinnovator I see those too (arghh), wonder if they serve a ‘gateway’ purpose to ease orgs into the idea of games, even if v basic #lrnchat
8:50:03 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth And the pity is, you can make M/C actually be little decisions, doesn’t *have* to be stupid knowledge recitation… #lrnchat
8:50:07 pm oxala75: @oxala75 but of course. remember, singular competence = job security #lrnchat
8:50:35 pm Quinnovator: @oxala75 properly phrased in the form of a question #lrnchat
8:50:38 pm lrnchat: Q1: Do you believe mobile learning is best suited for refresher type training OR can it also excel for other types of education? #lrnchat
8:51:07 pm Quinnovator: @tgrevatt you’re definitely a ‘silver lining’ kinda person, eh? #lrnchat
8:51:12 pm wvpmc: maake that@ericries Actionable Metrics #lrnchat
8:51:35 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator #lrnchat well that brings us back to the fact that most people aren’t good test-question-writers, and don’t know it.
8:52:15 pm VWassessments: @ tgrevatt – understand the gateway methodology … as a pusher myself I have used it. #lrnchat
8:52:25 pm Quinnovator: @tgrevatt wouldn’t mind so much if only used when knowledge drill necessary, but when because they think knowledge=competence… #lrnchat
8:52:38 pm oxala75: @lrnchat could possibly excel at other types of training, but i havent seen a lot of trails blazed on, say, mobile sims #lrnchat
8:53:04 pm tgrevatt: @Quinnovator I try desperately hard to wonder how some orgs are so successful with the jeopardy stuff – it’s frustrating #lrnchat
8:53:11 pm JaneBozarth: RT @wvpmc: maake that@ericries Actionable Metrics #lrnchat
8:53:35 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat Q1: mobile really shines in performance support. Also as reactivation, but can play adjunct for formal, too #lrnchat
8:53:48 pm dwilkinsnh: Mobile learning can be surprisingly good – kids love the Brain Quest games, and I love podcasts #lrnchat
8:53:49 pm marciamarcia: Mobile learning could excel at other types of training, but I havent seen a lot of trails blazed on, say, mobile sims via @oxala75 #lrnchat
8:54:04 pm dbolen: mobile works for moment of need how do I fix the widget? #lrnchat
8:54:06 pm Quinnovator: @oxala75 real opp, re: mobile sims, is ARG, I reckon #lrnchat
8:54:41 pm JaneBozarth: @tgrevatt B/c they’re happy with people achieving knowledge objectives -list, define– raining not intended to improve perf. #lrnchat
8:54:42 pm roninchef: @lrnchat Maybe not refresher, but out in the world build upon what was taught in the classroom with this mobile device. #lrnchat
8:54:49 pm Quinnovator: mobile can = convenience/flexibility, but contextual relevance (e.g. mobile workforce) rocks! #lrnchat
8:55:11 pm VWassessments: RT @VWassessments: Q1: think m-learning can be used 4 any learner who ( at this point) isn’t distracted by the technology. #lrnchat
8:55:18 pm marciamarcia: I just learned something new. Because of @dwilkinsnh I realized Brain Quest, which Boywonder loves, is mobile learning. Duh. Thx #lrnchat
8:56:03 pm tgrevatt: Q1 mLearning – especially designed with mobile standards (eg. electrical code) has super potential #lrnchat
8:56:06 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator Enhanced reality, take a picture and Flash overlays appear on top. I like that kind of learning. #lrnchat
8:56:50 pm oxala75: @Quinnovator yes. i want to see more of this in my org. #lrnchat
8:57:13 pm dwilkinsnh: @jmarrapodi And I learned I wasn’t God after all… ; ) #lrnchat
8:57:29 pm marciamarcia: The good people @socialtext talk about information above the flow and in the flow of work. Mobile learning should seem in. #lrnchat
8:57:29 pm Quinnovator: 4 R’s of mobile (Low & O’Connell): Record (capture), Recall (access), Reinterpret (process), Relate (connect: comm/collab) #lrnchat
8:57:56 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat – working on a geolocation ARG still in prototype. 1st attempt m-learning bsides podcasting & twitter/twitpics as part of project.
8:58:05 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef or tasks pop in via mobile that are wrapped around your life #lrnchat
8:58:07 pm oxala75: @bschlenker well, it is in our disjointed context – baby steps #lrnchat
8:58:30 pm dwilkinsnh: @marciamarcia what’s more scary is that I learn from my fourth grader’s version of the game… #lrnchat
8:58:46 pm Priaak: wondering if sims can be used thru mobile learning for live assistance in using a system – work like EPSS #lrnchat/
8:58:48 pm bschlenker: @marciamarcia there is a really good demo of world of Warcraft playing on an iPhone. we should be seeing 3D soon – I hope #lrnchat
8:59:17 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator I think that is the direction I am going with my G1. Google in my pocket. #lrnchat
8:59:42 pm marciamarcia: If your boy likes BrainQuest, check out @modalityinc they have it for iPod. via @mpalko #lrnchat
8:59:49 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat playing iphone games has taught me a lot about how I learn, and how I FEEL when I’m learning
8:59:48 pm Quinnovator: @Priaak why not? Limits are no longer the tech: limits are between our ears, and our pocketbooks #lrnchat
9:00:15 pm BradnDeedo: Hello all – sorry I’m late. Looks like all is well tonite #lrnchat
9:00:53 pm VWassessments: @bschlenker #lrnchat – that would take away from my twitter time.🙂
9:01:32 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef yep, my iPhone (previously my Treo) = swiss army knife of computational support: external brain augment #lrnchat
9:01:41 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth ok, that made getting an iPhone sound rather imperative. my pocketbook protests #lrnchat
9:01:43 pm moehlert: sorry late to #lrnchat
9:02:02 pm dwilkinsnh: Given GPS, mobile seems particularly well-suited to learning about geo-spatial stuff- national parks, historical sites, travel… #lrnchat
9:02:15 pm moehlert: @bschlenker #lrnchat have you seen screen shots of Sims 3 on iPhone? Gorgeoous!
9:02:21 pm lrnchat: Q1-b. In followup to @oxala75, why aren’t we seeing more trailblazers for m-learning? #lrnchat
9:02:39 pm tgrevatt: @dwilkinsnh Absolutely – wouldn’t it be great to have map, history book, art critic etc always in your pocket #lrnchat
9:02:52 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh yep, spatial contextualization. The one I’m pushing is not where, but when (calendar-based) just ’cause ignored #lrnchat
9:03:03 pm oxala75: @dwilkinsnh like the audio guides that some museums offer (but, you know, webbier)? #lrnchat
9:03:12 pm JaneBozarth: @oxala75 #lrnchat My iPhone completes me. Don’t think of it as a phone, but as a computer w/ phone. Cheap, if you look at it that way
9:03:52 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat Q1b: one issue is cross-platform development (worse than browsers🙂. Think mobile web may finally break the barriers #lrnchat
9:03:56 pm roninchef: @lrnchat The diversity of the platform. Build a better mobile browser and the apps for that. BB, G1, iPhone etc. all have browsers #lrnchat
9:03:57 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Um, IMHO, its because we’re still thinking first of devices instead of user experiences or performance outcomes
9:03:58 pm judyb: @marciamarcia Lots of great articles at #lrnchat
9:04:12 pm JaneBozarth: @lrnchat @oala75 #lrnchat I think b/c organizations don’t support mobile devices (yet) as they have desktops
9:04:16 pm Priaak: @Quinnovator: That’s interesting… mobile learning can supplement real time learning with job-aids, sims, etc #lrnchat/
9:04:36 pm dwilkinsnh: @tgrevatt I like the art thing: imagine an visual version of Shazam that could recognize a piece of art and give you the low-down? #lrnchat
9:04:48 pm JaneBozarth: RT @moehlert:#lrnchat Um, IMHO, its because we’re still thinking first of devices instead of user experiences or performance outcomes
9:05:01 pm marciamarcia: Lots of great articles at via @judyb #lrnchat
9:05:02 pm dbolen: perceived cost increase although cheaper than laptops/desktops #lrnchat
9:05:05 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat Q1b lots of other reasons include lack of awareness, org commitment,… I’m sure Judy can fill in more #lrnchat
9:05:07 pm BradnDeedo: Cloud computing should change many of our paradigms re: mobile learning. #lrnchat
9:05:20 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat students don’t all have iPhones – need m-learning apps that work on huge variety of cellphones. & haven’t started working on it.
9:05:21 pm oxala75: @lrnchat i agree w/ @moehlert on this one – we are looking for small pools instead of considering the ocean. #lrnchat
9:05:37 pm roninchef: @lrnchat Or more importantly how is the learner bridging the knowledge gap with what the have in their phone? #lrnchat
9:05:38 pm oxala75: @BradnDeedo yes, i’m counting on it #lrnchat
9:06:02 pm dwilkinsnh: @oxala75 Bingo – Shazam recognizes music using speakers, why not camera for visual stuff – it searches and bam! Info. On anything. #lrnchat
9:06:10 pm JaneBozarth: @Priaak #lrnchat yes I t hink Pocket Aid is just about perfect perf support/tool
9:06:17 pm Quinnovator: Q1b: also concerns about support, security (they let people walk around with notebooks, but put same info on phone: woah!) #lrnchat
9:06:25 pm oxala75: @roninchef oh, most definitely. actually, this is another reason the iPhone is so important #lrnchat
9:07:09 pm roninchef: There is a natural act of ambient learning with these devices. #lrnchat
9:07:20 pm VWassessments: @ moehlert – you diagnosed my problem #lrnchat Q1b.🙂
9:07:23 pm JaneBozarth: @dwilkinsnh @oxala75 #lrnchat yes look what Amazon Remembers can do. Wow.
9:07:32 pm dwilkinsnh: Gotta disagree on the variety of devices front. I’ve been through that with OS and Browsers. Pick a winner and design to that. #lrnchat
9:07:36 pm dbolen: laptops probably lost/stolen more frequently than phones #lrnchat
9:08:03 pm judyb: Had meant to attend tonight but on the road. Just saw question about mobile learning examples – see #lrnchat
9:08:35 pm oxala75: @dwilkinsnh I think this is the kind of thing you’re suggesting: #lrnchat
9:08:41 pm moehlert: @tonnet @Quinnovator #lrnchat bit of a red herring again IMHO, security is constant concern and needs to be part of overall IT strategy
9:08:47 pm tgrevatt: Agree with all the devices issues – should be cross-platform not stuck with one type of phone or service. Grr. Damn Apple monopoly #lrnchat
9:08:55 pm oxala75: @roninchef ‘ambient learning’…i’ll have to steal that. #lrnchat
9:09:05 pm marciamarcia: I wrote an mlearn piece in 07 about the ocean, @oxala75. For reading (and commenting) after the chat, I hope > #lrnchat
9:09:12 pm judyb: #lrnchat – also some good examples on my blog at
9:09:57 pm moehlert: @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat see prior cloud comment….most important piece of software – browser – can be platform agnostic
9:09:58 pm oxala75: @marciamarcia thanks! will do. #lrnchat
9:10:10 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert sure, but there are solutions; it shouldn’t be a barrier, just is #lrnchat
9:10:35 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth good point (re: Amazon Remembers) #lrnchat
9:11:04 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert with limitations, agreed (hence my article: “240 x 320 is the new 1024 x 768”🙂 #lrnchat
9:11:28 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat Agreed. Bring IT to the table EARLY on in m-learning discussions to ensure barriers are known and met
9:11:33 pm marciamarcia: @judyb thanks for dropping in if not actually with us tonight. Very timely. #lrnchat
9:11:58 pm Quinnovator: or, rather, 480 x 320 is new 1024 x 768 #lrnchat
9:12:55 pm marciamarcia: @moehlert And there’s an argument to be made too for bypassing IT all together for mlearning. Just sayin… #lrnchat
9:13:10 pm dwilkinsnh: @moehlert Which browser? IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari? Which Flash? Which JRE? Touch screen? Keyboard? Motion sensing? Ughh. #lrnchat
9:13:13 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator @moehlert #lrnchat prolly because there aren’t enough barriers already.
9:13:13 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat Yes and no. In terms of prevalence sure but we can’t act like we don’t need diff design affordances for diff sizes
9:13:24 pm BradnDeedo: @marciamarcia I second the motion #lrnchat
9:14:08 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth i’m going to have to knuckle down and purchase one before mobile computing sneaks past me. #lrnchat
9:14:12 pm moehlert: @marciamarcia #lrnchat Sure😉 I’m a rebel leader myself but it can catch you in the end…cultivate that IT relationshp🙂
9:14:16 pm roninchef: @marciamarcia I like that kind of subversion😉 #lrnchat
9:14:19 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat First people to figure out how to maximize new technology are usually pornographers. What are they doing for mobile?
9:14:34 pm oxala75: @marciamarcia ah, an at least once-daily impulse🙂 #lrnchat
9:14:55 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert yep: back then it was 640×480 vs 800×600 vs 1024×768, now it’s 128×128 vs 240×320 or 480×320: what’ll you live with? #lrnchat
9:14:56 pm moehlert: @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat🙂 Even all the above is less than the number of mobile platforms🙂
9:15:10 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth Ahh, the “Massaging” app for the iPhone? #lrnchat
9:15:14 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat @marciamarcia – does m-learning allow us 2 bypass IT ….are we less dependent on IT with m-learning? Maybe?
9:15:30 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Y’all remember the campaign to send @CammyBean to DevLearn? How about now we have a bake sale to buy @oxala75 an iPhone?
9:15:44 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth you know that ‘vibrate’ setting?😉 #lrnchat
9:15:49 pm lrnchat: Well, if Q1 was very provocative, Q2 is going to be borderline dangerous. Stay tuned. Anything more on m-learning? #lrnchat
9:16:04 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat How about audio as prime UI?
9:16:17 pm jmarrapodi: @oxala75 What’s Amaxon remembers? #lrnchat
9:16:19 pm mpalko: @marciamarcia brainquest isnt the only thing @modalityinc does…also have travel guides and are renowed for their anatomy guides #lrnchat
9:16:28 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat m-learning: just do it! #lrnchat
9:16:31 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Re my pornographer comment: they always find ways to push product. Screen size, pick an OS, what are they doing?
9:16:42 pm dwilkinsnh: @moehlert Yeah, I didn’t even want to go there… ; ) #lrnchat
9:16:52 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert I’m not an audio learning style😉 #lrnchat
9:17:02 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator m-learning: It just happens! #lrnchat
9:17:37 pm JaneBozarth: @jmarrapodi #lrnchat Amazon Remembers: I stand in Target, take pic of frying pan, send to Amazon, Amazon tells me their price/reviews etc
9:17:47 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef you said it! They’ve got the devices, they’re using them, what can we do to help them? #lrnchat
9:17:51 pm marciamarcia: 1st people to figure out how to maximize new technology are usually pornographers. What are they doing for mobile? RT @JaneBozarth #lrnchat
9:17:53 pm dwilkinsnh: @JaneBozarth Sounds like a research project for you Jane #lrnchat
9:18:02 pm roninchef: @JaneBozarth It is more SaS and platform agnostic. #lrnchat
9:18:50 pm JaneBozarth: @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat Yes that is how I will explain my surfing at work…
9:19:08 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator More drill and kill games?🙂 #lrnchat
9:19:33 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat Then use your laptop.😉
9:19:36 pm jmarrapodi: @JaneBozarth Thanks. And LOL on the buy @oxala75 an iPhone. [See that spam flood now on the bot pickups?] #lrnchat
9:19:50 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef kill me now! #lrnchat
9:20:16 pm dwilkinsnh: Is real issue with mobile the % of workers who really need it? Maybe not a big enough market for specialized apps / tools? #lrnchat
9:20:17 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator Survey says!?! #lrnchat
9:21:36 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert @JaneBozarth said earlier: smartphones=computers with phones, cheap. I’m going for screen & data, not the bloody phone #lrnchat
9:22:06 pm oxala75: @JaneBozarth bwahaha. but srsly – ain’t too proud to take donations. #lrnchat
9:22:26 pm moehlert: @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat maybe its out definition of m-learning…anybody Twitter from their phone? Text? Use Google?
9:22:37 pm KoreenOlbrish: ugh. totally missing it today, just got home. oof. #lrnchat
9:22:38 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh estimates I hear are that mobile workforce (not at desk 8×5) is 30-40% of workforce. Serious numbers #lrnchat
9:23:00 pm lrnchat: Q2: Employer seeks input as to which conferences/webinars ppl would like to attend this year & next. Recommendations and reasons? #lrnchat
9:23:21 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Good Q from @davewilkinsnh is the market big enough? Doctors, sales reps, who are the users?
9:23:44 pm roninchef: @moehlert Yes to all of that and then some. #lrnchat
9:24:37 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat eLearning Guild events (AG, DevLearn), and to a somewhat lesser extent TechKnowledge: run conferences right #lrnchat
9:24:43 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator Well that answers that question. Thanks Clark. #lrnchat
9:24:45 pm moehlert: @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat🙂
9:24:53 pm lrnchat: @JaneBozarth We’re planning on making 1 #lrnchat per month have a night-long “theme.” Seems mlearning should be next & invite broader market
9:25:11 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth field engineers, telecommuters, nonmobile workforce looking for convenience, … #lrnchat
9:25:12 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat @moehlert – right- when I’m using iphone to Twitter, etc I don’t think of it as ‘mobile’ Maybe we’re creating false distinction?
9:25:49 pm dwilkinsnh: @moehlert Great point – even maps, which I use all the time. I’ve learned a ton through Map tech on my phone. #lrnchat
9:26:04 pm roninchef: @lrnchat Our local ASTD chapter meetings. That is all that is in our budget this year. #lrnchat
9:26:32 pm jmarrapodi: #lrnchat Monthly ALL NIGHTERS??? Whee bob!
9:26:35 pm JaneBozarth: 2 #lrnchat Training Mag spring event -good speakers/variety ; VILT b/c they’re engaging and I do so many🙂
9:27:13 pm JaneBozarth: 2. #lrnchat E-learning Guild events always excellent, good production
9:27:55 pm roninchef: @lrnchat Will need to see the word cloud that come out of that. #lrnchat
9:27:57 pm lrnchat: So any further advice on learning-related conferences? #lrnchat
9:28:21 pm VWassessments: @ Quinnovator – just stumbled across this term – knowmads been out 4 awhile – love it! #lrnchat
9:28:25 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat learning in general, or elearning? #lrnchat
9:28:31 pm jmarrapodi: #lrnchat I second that on eLearning Guild events. Well planned, great speakers, cutting edge in all ways.
9:28:51 pm dwilkinsnh: I’ve always enjoyed eLearn Guild events. I gave some input into next year’s Masie show so I have to vote there too.. ; ) #lrnchat
9:29:25 pm marciamarcia: Is real issue w/ mobile % of workers who really need it? Maybe not big enough market for specialized apps? via @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat A: Nah.
9:29:31 pm Quinnovator: learning in general, do you want corp, or K12, or…? AERA, Learning Sciences, ASTD ICE, Training… #lrnchat
9:30:17 pm VWassessments: Q2 #lrnchat – look 2 see if conference is offering virtual option. Could be free or low cost. Also excuse 2 train employees on new tech .
9:30:20 pm dwilkinsnh: I’d also suggest learn folks think about Enterprise 2.0, Community 2.0 etc…. World is changing. Need to expand our scope. #lrnchat
9:30:21 pm tgrevatt: I enjoyed BH last year, nice approach not to separate attendees from exhibitors, small and good crowd (devlearn was great too) #lrnchat
9:30:32 pm Quinnovator: and I wasn’t thinking of Higher Ed elearning: EdMedia, Educause… #lrnchat
9:30:47 pm jmarrapodi: #lrnchat Conference choice largely depends on what the attendee’s role is in the corp sector. ID? eLearning designer? Trainer?
9:31:00 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Meanwhile, husband in other room appears to be experiencing the entire range of human emotions while watching the hockey game
9:31:15 pm Quinnovator: and higher Ed: AECT #lrnchat
9:31:23 pm lrnchat: @Quinnovator Question asker, I believe, is seeking corp-edu focused events. #lrnchat
9:31:56 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat w/ virtual events also use arguement that time spent on travel can be spent on training 4 using the tech required 4 conference.
9:31:57 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat I want workplace training topics with reasonable budgets in mind. What huge pharm/IT etc can do way beyond my means
9:32:01 pm jmarrapodi: #lrnchat To piggyback on @dwilkinsnh maybe you saw @markbucceri comment on ID 2.0, manager 2.0 etc yesterday. Good points.
9:32:10 pm tgrevatt: Do any folks have experience of ICELW? #lrnchat
9:32:12 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Gosh. How about UX (user expperience) design conferences (Adaptive Path) or maybe even Game ones like GDC..get out of box
9:32:46 pm dbolen: good stuff on Learn Trends sessions #lrnchat
9:33:31 pm roninchef: @moehlert Linux and Open Source conferences too. What can the community do for you? #lrnchat
9:33:37 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert sure, SIGCHI, SIGGRAPH, Cognitive Science, Web/Enterprise 2.0, #lrnchat
9:33:58 pm dwilkinsnh: I would go to an eLearn Guild event, a marcom event, & a “community / Web 2.0” event. Learning is the next newspaper industry. #lrnchat
9:34:28 pm BradnDeedo: Gotta run – thanks as always #lrnchat
9:34:31 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh don’t like that, newspapers are going four paws to the moon #lrnchat
9:34:43 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Also want speakers who are not just pitching product.
9:34:44 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat YES!! Let’s stop thinking we’re the only ones talking about learning!
9:34:52 pm tgrevatt: @moehlert we send our specialists to the confs in their fields too, as well as hitting stuffs like I/ITSEC too #lrnchat
9:35:10 pm marciamarcia: After recent exp at conf w/out much twitter presence, I want to know abt backchannel b/f signing up. Makes good events great. #lrnchat
9:35:23 pm oxala75: @moehlert anyone here go to the last GDC? impressions? #lrnchat
9:35:38 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert and, of course, Learning Sciences, AIEd (best learning science & tech conf going, if you really want depth) #lrnchat
9:36:08 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth absolutely, that’s why I like Guild and TK, both work hard to keep pitches to expo floor😉 #lrnchat
9:36:26 pm oxala75: @marciamarcia exactly! looking (so far in vain) for the hashtag to an upcoming conference already. #lrnchat
9:36:34 pm lrnchat: Q2-b Can you get enough from online webinar events & local smaller conferences? #lrnchat
9:36:45 pm mnotess: For higher ed I tried EdMedia and AECT but have preferred Educause (and Sakai) #lrnchat
9:36:55 pm moehlert: @oxala75 #lrnchat I went. Great. Behav. Economics among awesome topics also met tons of independent designers….+more grt sessions
9:37:58 pm oxala75: @moehlert may have to add that to next year’s list. #lrnchat
9:38:07 pm roninchef: @lrnchat Depends on what your expectations are going in. My team took away some ideas today from the Learntrends Webinar. #lrnchat
9:38:09 pm mnotess: I like conferences without too many parallel tracks. #lrnchat
9:38:22 pm JaneBozarth: 1/2 #lrnchat Q2b: yes, small/local/virtual is not what differentiates good from bad. Another false distinction.
9:38:29 pm oxala75: @lrnchat good question. for example, who went to Tony Karrer’s event today? #lrnchat heard it was a good one.
9:38:40 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Try DAU/GMU’s shindig, small AND Will Wright and Vint Cerf
9:39:07 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat Q2b can be great content online, but even w/ chat, still not same as old F2F in halls, lunch (let alone evening brews) #lrnchat
9:39:17 pm JaneBozarth: 2/2 #lrnchat Can be possible to get better presenters for virtual than ‘live’ –as a frequent presenter I’d often rather do it that way
9:39:18 pm jmarrapodi: #lrnchat Q2-b Depends on the quality of the
9:39:21 pm roninchef: @oxala75 Me and my 3 trainers hogged a meeting room for it today. #lrnchat
9:39:38 pm dwilkinsnh: I do same presos on webinars, local events and national so my attendees get same goods regardless of venue so yeah, why not? #lrnchat
9:39:40 pm jilliant: @oxala75 Just realized I missed that today; very bummed. #lrnchat
9:40:13 pm tgrevatt: Who knows the best conference listing aggregator, so hard to see them all in one place? Can someone collate? #lrnchat
9:40:42 pm JaneBozarth: @mnotess #lrnchat agreed. Too many tracks usually = no clear focus
9:40:48 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat – Q2b i think u can if u are used 2 the type of app. wouldn’t call a conference in Second Life a webinar experience.
9:40:59 pm oxala75: @jilliant same here😦 #lrnchat TK said that the recordings would be up soon, but still…
9:41:04 pm JaneBozarth: @oxala75 #lrnchat Wanted to go, had a conflict
9:41:04 pm Priaak: small/local/online, free and inexpensive work for me. #lrnchat/
9:41:06 pm Quinnovator: @tgrevatt did I just hear you volunteer?😉 #lrnchat
9:41:33 pm oxala75: @moehlert just got registered yesterday! am going to meet famous ppl like Clark Quinn. #lrnchat
9:41:56 pm tgrevatt: @Quinnovator lol – I’ve tried but clearly am missing loads – the one Mark posted looks awesome! I can give it a go, send ’em to me #lrnchat
9:42:11 pm dwilkinsnh: On webinars, you also get Twitter and chat back-channel built-in. That said, the networking part can be harder. So maybe a mix? #lrnchat
9:42:11 pm oxala75: @Quinnovator true. dinner, etc. w/learning folks is usually priceless. #lrnchat
9:42:14 pm Quinnovator: @oxala75 was good; lots of examples (not as much contextualization back to principles as might be ideal, but for 3 hours, vgood #lrnchat
9:42:16 pm lrnchat: If someone is interesting (aka willing) to aggregate the conference comments, I’m happy to help get them posted on #lrnchat website
9:42:19 pm JaneBozarth: @oxala75 #lrnchat THE Clark Quinn?!
9:42:22 pm moehlert: @oxala75 #lrnchat approach him quietly…
9:42:56 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth @oxala75 @moehlert now STOP that! #lrnchat
9:43:06 pm oxala75: @dwilkinsnh true. i think ppl just have to work the #$%& out of Twitter at these things. I did at #ag09 #lrnchat
9:43:28 pm mnotess: I prefer Adobe Connect to SL for webibars. Strongly. #lrnchat
9:43:32 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat – holding a mtg in SL bcuz instructor went 2 regional conf. – didn’t get attendees w/ content area knowledge.
9:44:14 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Uh, oh. Sudden surge in followers since I brought up porn.
9:44:30 pm Quinnovator: @oxala75 yep, you were a champ, but if it’s online, it’s better to use the chat, too hard to switch #lrnchat
9:44:46 pm tgrevatt: @lrnchat Would be great to get a calendar that we can post events to, so it is living and updated by the community? #lrnchat
9:44:49 pm lrnchat: Q2-c So if online and virtual can be really great, what are you getting different/better from big need-to-travel events? #lrnchat
9:45:11 pm dwilkinsnh: One nice thing about local events? Follow-up networking. Event @jmarrapodi and I did yesterday = lots of f/up connections. #lrnchat
9:45:42 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat 1st time I got Twittered at a conf it was “In J.Bozarth’s ID session and just learned everything I’m doing is wrong.” Oops.
9:45:54 pm VWassessments: @JaneBozarth – #lrnchat – so that’s how the “social media mavens/experts” do it.
9:46:31 pm oxala75: @Quinnovator yeah, true. also the difficulty of setting aside time at work. – webinars not viewed the same as ‘going away’ #lrnchat
9:46:39 pm Quinnovator: Q2c informal quality time, post-event reflections facilitated by others’ thoughts (and chances to talk to people I want to meet) #lrnchat
9:46:40 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Dinner with my friends, F2F book signings, trips to good places.
9:46:41 pm tgrevatt: Q2-c – local events are great for networking, big events good for meeting folks from large geo area (and the well known folks too) #lrnchat
9:47:29 pm marciamarcia: 1st time Twittered at a conf it was “In J.Bozarth ID session & just learned everything I’m doing is wrong.” Oops. via @JaneBozarth #lrnchat
9:47:29 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat F2F networking…huge upside early in career, I think less so as you know more people …
9:47:41 pm oxala75: @lrnchat variety of experiences, ppl out of their element and relaxed, open to possibility, wanting to bring knowledge home #lrnchat
9:47:43 pm tgrevatt: @oxala75 Agree that webinars are super easy to forget in schedule or get interrupted, also tech issues #lrnchat
9:47:48 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Initial ‘human’ meeting can set stage for new relationships. How I met Patti Shank, Jennifer Hofmann, Karl Kapp, good friends
9:48:01 pm row4it: @tgrevatt great suggestion, I support fully #lrnchat
9:48:29 pm VWassessments: #lrnchat – Q2-c have 2 agree networking is different – but even @ lg F2F conferences – haven’t had amt of intern’l networking opps in SL.
9:48:33 pm oxala75: more pressure to ‘prove’ you got ROI for going-away confs, so more talking/mind-melding? #lrnchat
9:48:39 pm dwilkinsnh: Conference = concentration of the learning: density of topics; less time; local and web is more spread out over time and topics. #lrnchat
9:50:03 pm jilliant: There are actually those of us for whom there is no such thing as a local conference. #lrnchat
9:51:00 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat And when I started going to conferences, Twitter and other soc med tools didn’t exist, y’know. Easier to meet folks here/now
9:51:16 pm marciamarcia: There are actually those of us for whom there is no such thing as a local conference. via @jilliant #lrnchat (For me too)
9:51:28 pm Quinnovator: also, being immersed for several days fully away from distractions, not jumping right back in means deeper reflection #lrnchat
9:52:03 pm bschlenker: I would go to an eLearn Guild event, a marcom event, & a community/Web 2.0 event. Learning is the next newspaper #lrnchat (via @dwilkinsnh)
9:52:18 pm mnotess: Something 2B said for getting away from workplace to open up to new ideas #lrnchat
9:52:43 pm moehlert: RT @Quinnovator: being immersed for several days fully away from distractions, not jumping right back in means deeper reflection #lrnchat
9:52:51 pm lrnchat: While no need to stop chatting abt mobile learning or online conferences, it’s time to tell us how we can help you & reintroduce #lrnchat
9:53:13 pm dwilkinsnh: @Quinnovator Clark, are you really suggesting that you can get through a conference free from distractions? So jealous. #lrnchat
9:54:10 pm Quinnovator: @dwilkinsnh define distractions #lrnchat
9:54:20 pm oxala75: @dwilkinsnh he’s not just a learning professional, he’s a zen master. #lrnchat
9:54:30 pm moehlert: @dwilkinsnh #lrnchat What did you say? 30 Rock is on……
9:55:49 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat welcome contacts/referrals to orgs considering learning infrastructure improvements (some available bandwidth) #lrnchat
9:56:19 pm oxala75: @lrnchat well, you already helped me (me = one curious about conferences). looking forward to talking w co-workers about #lrnchat 2morrow
9:57:27 pm marciamarcia: Universe: Want2 to facilitate a series of monthly webinars at intersection of BIG emerging topics & learning. Seek sponsor/funding. #lrnchat
9:57:28 pm Quinnovator: thanks to all, always fun, interesting, & valuable. Hope to see you at some confs!😉 #lrnchat
9:58:12 pm JaneBozarth: #lrnchat Good night all! Always fun!
9:58:39 pm Priaak: Great environment to learn, connect and see what is happening outside your work group. #lrnchat/
9:59:05 pm lrnchat: Remember to tell us who you are (whos-who) & if you have Qs for future #lrnchat on
9:59:27 pm roninchef: Thanks for a fun chat tonight. Have a good holiday too (US folks). Good night all. #lrnchat
9:59:28 pm oxala75: good night everyone! (and thanks) #lrnchat
9:59:44 pm moehlert: #lrnchat Thanks! Tonight flew by. Great comments
9:59:49 pm tgrevatt: G’night all. Alas, will miss next wk. This crazy fool is cycling from Ottawa to Kennebunkport, ME over 4 days. #lrnchat
10:00:02 pm jilliant: Thanks all! Goodnight #lrnchat -ers…
10:00:45 pm lrnchat: I’ll post transcript later tonight and will also look into how we might sponsor a community-updated calendar. Thanks everyone! #lrnchat
10:00:58 pm VWassessments: Night! #lrnchat
10:01:33 pm dwilkinsnh: Awesome chat tonight. Can’t believe how fast that went. ‘Night all. #lrnchat

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