Transcript of #lrnchat 4/30/09

8:31:17 pm moehlert: Hey #lrnchat! What’s going on tonight? Mark Oehlert logging in from outside Washington DC…where ya’ll at?
8:31:28 pm lrnchat: Everyone ready? #lrnchat
8:32:20 pm row4it: ready! #lrnchat
8:32:32 pm lrnchat: Looking forward to a lively conversation tonight. Let’s start off with a warmup question. #lrnchat
8:33:10 pm richardsheehy: Hey there, Richard Sheehy here from SC #lrnchat
8:33:10 pm lrnchat: Q0 (warmup): What did you learn today … or at least recently… you’re willing to share? #lrnchat
8:34:23 pm jimsky7: Today I learned how to use Garageband to quickly turn video into an audio podcast with added segments and effects. #lrnchat
8:35:01 pm richardsheehy: I was sighting in the scope of a pellet gun to discourage the squirrels from the pecan trees #lrnchat
8:35:17 pm marciamarcia: Thrilled to be participating in #lrnchat tonight, from VA, while trying *not* to stress abt a presentation next week.
8:35:43 pm KoreenOlbrish: is this thing on? tweetchat is failing me… #lrnchat/
8:36:05 pm moehlert: #lrnchat I learned that sometimes if I stare at the screen long enough, the answer WILL come.
8:36:27 pm carolwhit: How easy it is to lose track of time when recording for screencasts #lrnchat
8:36:41 pm hjarche: I learned how to make a tweet longer than 140 characters http://appendr.com/ #lrnchat
8:36:50 pm row4it: #lrnchat Unfortunately, I learned that my organization is changing under new leadership which isn’t as comfortable as before.
8:37:19 pm KoreenOlbrish: i learned that sometimes the right thing to do is volunteer #lrnchat
8:37:21 pm moehlert: @hjarche #lrnchat No fair! Rule breaker!🙂 #lrnchat
8:37:36 pm silverchirps: Learning & teaching might be inseparable especially in this social learning environment such as twitter. #Lrnchat
8:38:34 pm hjarche: @moehlert rulz R made for breaking🙂 didn’t u lrn tht in skool? #lrnchat
8:38:44 pm moehlert: @silverchirps #lrnchat I like that. Shouldn’t those two always travel together?
8:38:50 pm marciamarcia: What did I learn today? Just because you know a topic inside and out, it can be tough to clear away extra, focus on essential. #lrnchat
8:40:04 pm dbolen: multiple conf calls dull brain #lrnchat #lrnchat
8:40:32 pm shantarohse: I learned that you can indeed drive over a flash drive and it still keeps on ticking. #lrnchat
8:40:36 pm ethang: ahoy #lrnchat ethang hailin from denver
8:40:42 pm lrnchat: Q1: What the hottest (or most promising) technology you’ve seen recently for helping people learn? What makes it so interesting? #lrnchat
8:40:57 pm moehlert: @hjarche #lrnchat You’re such a rebel, what with all your 3l3t typing skilz!
8:41:01 pm richardsheehy: #lrnchat we all know @moehlert is a gubnent man and always goes by the book
8:41:24 pm thecleversheep: Continually learning to be humble, working in a community of extraordinarily committed learners. #lrnchat
8:41:29 pm KoreenOlbrish: don’t know if its necessarily a technology, but i’m loving ARGs #lrnchat
8:41:57 pm lrnchat: Seems like as a group, we learned a bunch this week. Let’s encourage newcomers tonight to intro w/ what they’ve learned. #lrnchat
8:42:10 pm lrnchat: @KoreenOlbrish Say more. ARGs? #lrnchat
8:42:15 pm moehlert: @richardsheehy #lrnchat It’s a big, complicated book too!
8:42:18 pm jimsky7: Hottest learning tech for me today is ebooks on my iPhone! $4.99 for 587 pages of good info. #lrnchat
8:42:19 pm richardsheehy: #lrnchat I am learning to remember the hashtag BEFORE posting #lrnchat#lrnchat#lrnchat#lrnchat
8:42:24 pm roninchef: Good evening from Maine. This week I learned to accept clip art if job warrants it. #lrnchat
8:42:46 pm carolwhit: anything that allows ppl to learn from mobile device, not much out there now, waiting for killer iphone app to change things #lrnchat
8:43:05 pm kdwashburn: Been learning the value of a professional editor. Humbling & yet exciting! kdwashburn from Pelham, AL, and a newbie to this chat. #lrnchat
8:43:38 pm moehlert: #lrnchat C’mon folks….let’s fire up the learning discussion…my fav tech right now is the emerging new tools for virtual worlds…
8:43:48 pm hjarche: @kdwashburn a good editor is very important, IMO – like a good teacher #lrnchat
8:43:54 pm jilliant: Newbie here too, learned that sometimes trainers make the toughest learners. Speaking of myself, of course. #lrnchat
8:43:56 pm thecleversheep: Most promising technology for expanding the classroom has to be Skype. Personal; Free; Global; Multi-media; Mobile… #lrnchat
8:44:11 pm KoreenOlbrish: @lrnchat ARG = alternate reality games. Pitching 2 projs incorporating digital w real life learning experiences. So much design fun #lrnchat
8:44:47 pm roninchef: Comic books on mobile phones. Very open for elearning. #lrnchat
8:44:50 pm richardsheehy: @carolwhit #lrnchat don’t forget about us crackberry when it comes to mobile. Can’t all just get along? #lrnchat
8:45:06 pm hjarche: @thecleversheep skype is a good starter tech – seems twitter is better for those used to SoMe, as Tony Karrer wrote today #lrnchat
8:45:09 pm marciamarcia: @kdwashburn Even after serving as an editor for years, I find them invaluable. So many lessons and techniques. #lrnchat
8:45:23 pm moehlert: @jilliant #lrnchat Welcome! Glad u jumped in!
8:45:27 pm carolwhit: @richardsheehy of course, but seems like the iPhone developers are working overtime right now! #lrnchat
8:45:47 pm BradnDeedo: Greetings all – sorry I’m late #lrnchat
8:45:55 pm moehlert: @roninchef #lrnchat Nice. Got a link?
8:46:03 pm hjarche: @roninchef is Dan Pink’s Johnny Bunko available on mobile yet – could be a good format (?) #lrnchat
8:46:23 pm carolwhit: @roninchef this seems like an idea with tons of potential, and not just for young people #lrnchat
8:46:38 pm row4it: RT @roninchef: Comic books on mobile phones. Very open for elearning. #lrnchat My son said the same to me today!
8:46:43 pm kdwashburn: @marciamarcia Think they see what the writer knows deep down is/isn’t there but doesn’t know how to fix. #lrnchat
8:46:56 pm lrnchat: Welcome to everyone who has joined us tonight. Please consider starting w/ a short intro & something you’ve learned this week. #lrnchat
8:46:58 pm JeffLowe: Just learned how to sort large data sets based on xyz orientation in LSL #lrnchat
8:47:32 pm roninchef: @moehlert These folks are doing nice stuff. http://www.robotcomics.net/ #lrnchat
8:48:05 pm moehlert: @JeffLowe #lrnchat OK. U win for most obscure yet potentially useful item of the day!🙂
8:48:16 pm shantarohse: Combining Q1 and Q2: I learned that it is best not to think of technology in terms of the hottest (or most promising). #lrnchat
8:48:21 pm roninchef: @hjarche I haven’t seen that yet but Cory Doctorow’s “Anda’s Game ” on my G1 got me thinking this week. #lrnchat
8:48:28 pm BradnDeedo: I learned again how nice it is to work for a supportive administrator. #lrnchat
8:48:56 pm KoreenOlbrish: @JeffLowe is that for 3D data visualization? because that sounds sweeeet! #lrnchat
8:49:02 pm gminks: hi. I learned you can survive finals and working full time (hi everyone!) #lrnchat
8:49:34 pm hjarche: @roninchef thx, one more to check out, enjoyed Doctorow’s last book, “Little Brother” #lrnchat
8:49:36 pm marciamarcia: @kdwashburn My favorite editor recently is not a techy so she also points out (and finds better terms for) jargon I don’t notice. #lrnchat
8:49:51 pm moehlert: @roninchef #lrnchat Don’t forget…this Saturday, May 2 is Free Comic Book Day! http://www.freecomicbookday.com/
8:49:53 pm thecleversheep: @hjarche Potentially tranformative… and vastly underutilized for education is Skype. #lrnchat
8:49:59 pm gminks: I also learned how to use branching in Articulate #lrnchat
8:50:02 pm ethang: #lrnchat i learned to cajole 6 departments to cooperate on a live webcast this weekend http://tr.im/ka2y not the hottest tech but fun prolly
8:50:13 pm shantarohse: @gminks congratulations on finding that balance! #lrnchat
8:50:16 pm rdeis: Hi from Canada. Learned about 140 | The Twitter Conference 2009 #lrnchat
8:50:17 pm roninchef: @carolwhit Smartphone screens are better with each rev. I love the idea of delivering JIT traing this way. #lrnchat
8:50:31 pm jimsky7: The best editor is one who can “become a novice” when reading your text, and help you explain it better to the reader. #lrnchat
8:50:34 pm kdwashburn: @marciamarcia Yes, that’s been a big contribution of my editor. Too much academic writing will do that to you! #lrnchat
8:50:43 pm marciamarcia: I learned that it is best not to think of technology in terms of the hottest (or most promising). via @shantarohse #lrnchat
8:51:13 pm JeffLowe: @KoreenOlbrish @moehlert for my BrainBoard virt collab tool. Breakthrough today in sorting export based on viewer position #lrnchat
8:51:26 pm carolwhit: @roninchef That’s what I’m thinking too. That, and ways to reach all those who can only see the net on a phone #lrnchat
8:51:30 pm roninchef: @moehlert I know. I have been off that horse for many moons and my kidlet is still a few years out from comics. #lrnchat
8:51:50 pm rdeis: I’ve thought about doing the comic book idea. Any suggestions on software to use #lrnchat
8:52:30 pm thecleversheep: @rdeis Comic Life is the master choice… some online tools are also available… #lrnchat
8:52:41 pm gminks: @roninchef @moehlert I love how comics is always mentioned in #lrnchat
8:52:49 pm roninchef: @carolwhit Basically everyone in developing countries. Mobiles are how a lot of the world is getting on the web. #lrnchat
8:52:52 pm moehlert: @JeffLowe #lrnchat Aww yeah….need to hear more about this…
8:52:56 pm marciamarcia: Considered myself a great learner, usually picking up new apps & techniques easily. iWork apps, tho, are kickin my butt. Humbling. #lrnchat
8:53:50 pm roninchef: @rdeis You probably already have it. PowerPoint. #lrnchat
8:53:59 pm hjarche: RT @thecleversheep Lessig’s challenged presentation embeds some compelling mashup exemplars http://bit.ly/XzloZ #lrnchat
8:54:02 pm carolwhit: @roninchef Exactly, the potential for learning is huge and largely untapped now. People just aren’t doing it yet. #lrnchat
8:54:17 pm BradnDeedo: @marciamarcia ME too – I want it to do what Appleworks did and can’t make the transition #lrnchat
8:54:26 pm moehlert: @gminks #lrnchat ….I know…maybe, oh, I don’t know stories combining text and visuals are great storytelling / teaching tools..😉
8:55:37 pm roninchef: @carolwhit Rapid development for Android based phones and iPhones have a pretty low entry barrier. I just need more hours in a day. #lrnchat
8:57:03 pm carolwhit: @roninchef Yeah, I’m not a coder, only an ID, when you get the app going, we can work on teaching the world! In all our free time! #lrnchat
8:57:20 pm shantarohse: ASIDE: TweetChat users – if I favourite a tweet in TweetChat, will I find it with my other tweet favs? #lrnchat
8:57:24 pm lrnchat: So far I’ve seen here “waiting for iphone learning apps”, comic book tech (tools suggestions?), ARGs. Others? #lrnchat
8:57:51 pm rdeis: I find the CommonCraft type videos really good http://www.commoncraft.com/ Anyone tried making these? #lrnchat
8:58:02 pm JeffLowe: Oh yeah, also learned about Prezi (cool zooming online story/preso maker) plan to use it soon http://twurl.nl/so3oo4 #lrnchat
8:58:03 pm roninchef: @carolwhit I have the e-book for Android dev and will open it one day. #lrnchat
8:58:17 pm lrnchat: @shantarohse Yes, if you fave a tweet in the chat, it will appear under your fave tab. Also, you can dm here. #lrnchat
8:58:42 pm thecleversheep: @iteachag Limitless possibilities for guest speakers; classroom partnerships; international current events… a global perspective #lrnchat
8:59:14 pm marciamarcia: @rdeis Love the commoncraft style vids, too. Boywonder & I have begun trying to make a few ourselves but not ready to share yet. #lrnchat
8:59:27 pm kdwashburn: @JeffLowe Hearing alot about Prezi. Does it seem to have elements that make it effective, not just flashy? #lrnchat
8:59:29 pm jilliant: @JeffLowe Lots of buzz about Prezi in our org too. Very cool tool! #lrnchat
9:00:04 pm shantarohse: If pressed to choose a fav technology, I would pick Google Docs. #lrnchat
9:00:34 pm J_Schulz: I learned how to hook up a Slingbox #lrnchat
9:00:37 pm roninchef: @kdwashburn http://prezi.com/showcase/ Check these out and make the call #lrnchat
9:00:43 pm silverchirps: @marciamarcia technology by itself is useless. The human brain gives meaning to it, the way we use it. #Lrnchat
9:01:05 pm thecleversheep: @kdwashburn @JeffLowe Brain research says movement commands attention. Words, images, in zoom are compelling creative opps for kids #lrnchat
9:01:40 pm roninchef: @silverchirps “The street finds it’s own uses for things.” -William Gibson #lrnchat
9:01:42 pm marciamarcia: Technology by itself is useless. The human brain gives meaning to it, the way we use it. via @silverchirps #lrnchat
9:02:11 pm ethang: very cool @thecleversheep #lrnchat i’ve used skype for conducting interviews, recorded them with CamStudio and edited video into report
9:02:13 pm moehlert: @silverchirps #lrnchat Not just the brain but the socially mediated brain…John Seely Brown calls it a “network of imagination”
9:03:59 pm marciamarcia: @thecleversheep Movement commands attention for ppl of all ages. Just need to remember not to overwhelm. #lrnchat
9:04:33 pm moehlert: RT @roninchef: @silverchirps “The street finds it’s own uses for things.” -William Gibson #lrnchat Nice pull.
9:04:38 pm richardsheehy: #lrnchat for those interested in Common Craft and @leelefeever her is a podcast link http://twurl.nl/rn7o8s
9:04:42 pm Priaak: With the ever-changing technologies how do you maximize the reuse of the existing learning materials? #lrnchat/
9:05:25 pm lrnchat: So any more technologies (that whole-body thinking can work with) worth mentioning? #lrnchat
9:05:36 pm silverchirps: My fav tech at the moment is twitter combined with iphone. #Lrnchat
9:05:38 pm kdwashburn: Since there are several edtech tweeps here, what camera & mic should I get to use for webinar presentations? Needs to work w?Mac. #lrnchat
9:05:49 pm roninchef: @moehlert Yeah I went there. Any chance I get to pull the Neuromancer quotes I’ll do it. #lrnchat
9:06:53 pm benduffy: hey tweeps, sorry for the late entry. Refinancing the house…. #lrnchat
9:07:07 pm roninchef: @kdwashburn What kind of Mac? #lrnchat
9:07:17 pm gminks: I am loving Articulate, and Centra classroom #lrnchat
9:07:25 pm kdwashburn: @roninchef MacBook Pro. #lrnchat
9:07:36 pm ethang: @Priaak #lrnchat use an open document or or CC license, for firsts, make it available freely…
9:07:36 pm row4it: Priaak, I agree. We are often accused of moving to the most recent “fad” when learners may not always be ready to move. #lrnchat
9:07:51 pm moehlert: @Priaak #lrnchat great argument for a larger strategy that looks at larger goals for use of technology…
9:07:51 pm richardsheehy: @roninchef #lrnchat I would say to maximize reuse keep information and presentation separate as much as possible. Also a good web dev tip.
9:08:22 pm roninchef: @kdwashburn Use your onboard cam and get a Snoball mic. The onboard mic isn’t all that bad either. #lrnchat
9:08:44 pm JeffLowe: Prezi seems to be good at visually reenforcing the “big picture” and how certain elements fit within #lrnchat
9:09:09 pm kdwashburn: @roninchef Thanks! #lrnchat
9:09:10 pm lrnchat: Looks like we’re on to Q2 from @Priaak: How do you maximize the reuse of the existing learning materials? #lrnchat
9:09:13 pm carolwhit: @roninchef I second this assessment. The Snoball mic works great for screencast recordings, too. #lrnchat
9:09:17 pm hybridkris: Sorry i’m late folks. #lrnchat
9:09:52 pm jilliant: @kdwashburn Not sure about cams, but very happy with the Blue Snowball mic. #lrnchat
9:10:03 pm shantarohse: @roninchef @kdwashburn I’ve started to look at information differently. There is so much of it, it is not worth my time to update. #lrnchat
9:10:46 pm kdwashburn: @carolwhit @jilliant Excellent. Thanks for the suggestions! #lrnchat
9:10:48 pm lrnchat: @benduffy @hybridkris Thanks for joining us. We began w/ what we’ve been learning. Now also talking about materials re-use. #lrnchat
9:10:58 pm edwsonoma: @shantarohse #lrnchat disposable learning objects🙂
9:11:04 pm KoreenOlbrish: I think creating smaller learning segments is keye–video, animations, graphics, mini-mods that can be leveraged for reuse #lrnchat
9:11:13 pm row4it: I guess there is always opportunity to put existing content into new technologies to keep current. #lrnchat
9:11:38 pm benduffy: Reuse of Articulate through deeplinking to usable nuggets linked from on screen help files. #lrnchat
9:11:57 pm ethang: @kdwashburn #lrnchat anybody used the agent V4? http://tr.im/ka7T looks cool, like the original iSight
9:12:04 pm thecleversheep: @murphymath Currently not in the classroom, I record conversations with folks all around the world for Teacher 2.0 Podcast #lrnchat
9:12:56 pm shantarohse: Sticky! RT @edwsonoma @shantarohse #lrnchat disposable learning objects🙂 #lrnchat
9:13:03 pm roninchef: @lrnchat When developing I look at what I already have on hand and If I have to create I make sure it has potential for recycling. #lrnchat
9:13:21 pm benduffy: Articulate deeplink = /(course)/player.html?slide=4 #lrnchat
9:13:36 pm marciamarcia: You heard it here first: Disposable learning objects (when you just can’t bear to update content) via @edwsonoma @shantarohse #lrnchat
9:14:19 pm silverchirps: @moehlert sociallly mediated brain gives meaning to technology i like it,we human beings are ONE. #Lrnchat
9:14:31 pm J_Schulz: To @moehlert ‘s point though, there needs to be a larger tech strategy to your content reusability decisions on. #lrnchat
9:14:50 pm roninchef: @marciamarcia I am cranking out a few CBT with just raw PPT clip art for assets. Can’t get any more disposable than that. #lrnchat
9:15:10 pm ThomasStone: We author in XML, then have transforms that produce various courseware book outputs for ILT, plus storyboards/etc. for e-learning #lrnchat
9:15:13 pm J_Schulz: It must align with broader org’s info strategy – you don’t want to be creating content that only works in the T&D department. #lrnchat
9:15:18 pm marciamarcia: I look at what I already have on hand and if I have to create I make sure it has potential for recycling. via @roninchef #lrnchat
9:15:39 pm gminks: @KoreenOlbrish I like your idea about creating smaller learning segments #lrnchat
9:15:50 pm ThomasStone: This is our single-source model, and we use it on a large scale. #lrnchat
9:15:51 pm edwsonoma: @marciamarcia #lrnchat just as important to know what to toss as what to reuse. We need to take some lessons from archivists
9:16:25 pm gminks: like this RT @benduffy: Articulate deeplink = /(course)/player.html?slide=4 #lrnchat
9:16:47 pm roninchef: @gminks Yay, micro-training! I try to advocate that when ever I can. Mix and match FTW #lrnchat
9:17:03 pm hybridkris: We divide our courseware into reusable segments and bind it all in a Flash interface with XML. We can reuse pieces for new lessons. #lrnchat
9:17:19 pm ThomasStone: The trick with single-source authoring is for the ID to be aware of all the modalities that the content will be used in. #lrnchat
9:17:39 pm jimsky7: Every time I toss old publs I need them 2 mo later for legal reasons. Make everything digital and toss the paper instead! #lrnchat
9:17:40 pm gminks: mine almost is disposable – training for software that changes rapidly. But try to reuse across different courses #lrnchat
9:17:40 pm KoreenOlbrish: its the old “reusable learning object” problem –too much context & its difficult to reuse, not enough context & it loses relevance #lrnchat
9:17:57 pm marciamarcia: @J_Schulz Excellent point. I don’t know any orgs who want content just for the T&D dept. #lrnchat
9:17:56 pm carolwhit: @edwsonoma Agreed, depending on your subject matter, you may not be able to reuse because it changes too quickly #lrnchat
9:18:25 pm benduffy: Google YouTube training nuggets for all Google App training. Nice, simple, effective. I organized the nuggets into a single page. #lrnchat
9:18:49 pm marciamarcia: Just as important to know what to toss as what to reuse. We need to take some lessons from archivists. via @edwsonoma #lrnchat
9:18:51 pm roninchef: @KoreenOlbrish That is what photoshop filters are for😉 #lrnchat
9:19:02 pm richardsheehy: RT @roninchef: @gminks Yay, micro-training! I try to advocate that when ever I can. Mix and match FTW #lrnchat (now that’s deep linking)
9:19:29 pm shantarohse: Good advice via @jimsky7 Make everything digital and toss the paper instead #lrnchat
9:19:33 pm KoreenOlbrish: @roninchef lol, NOW you tell me😉 #lrnchat
9:19:36 pm Priaak: so I guess modular content, content nougats and a plan for reuse right at the start #lrnchat/
9:19:57 pm moehlert: RT @hybridkris: We divide R courseware in2 reusable segments & bind it all in a Flash interface w/ XML. reuse pieces 4 new lessons. #lrnchat
9:20:30 pm moehlert: @Priaak #lrnchat design design design🙂
9:20:46 pm ThomasStone: Koreen described the problem nicely. One way around it is to author core nuggets (reuseable) and “glue” content for context. #lrnchat
9:20:48 pm roninchef: @shantarohse digital is ment for the remix and mashup. Infinite copies are awesome. #lrnchat
9:20:49 pm hybridkris: Also, the AICC tried to spec the Smart Graphic which would allow you to have an XML configed aircraft panel. Set the xml and reuse. #lrnchat
9:21:00 pm benduffy: @Priaak Re-use can be can be determined later as long as the nuggets are small and concise. That adds to their flexibility later.. #lrnchat
9:21:06 pm ThomasStone: Then use transforms/etc. to piece them together for each modality. That way, you at least get partial re-use. #lrnchat
9:21:36 pm hybridkris: @moehlert We also keep the audio and text separate so reworking in a new language or in a new context is easy(er). #lrnchat
9:22:01 pm edwsonoma: #lrnchat @Priaak sounds a lot like tech writing to me. DITA gives people the structure needed to create content for multiple uses.
9:22:13 pm lrnchat: @Priaak Modular content, content nougats and a plan for reuse right at the start. Great plan. (oh, and borrow whatever you can!) #lrnchat
9:22:28 pm gminks: RT @marciamarcia: @J_Schulz Excellent point. I don’t know any orgs who want content just for the T&D dept. #lrnchat
9:22:43 pm KoreenOlbrish: @ThomasStone and tools available now make this so much easier. design isnt confined by reuse, its supported by it #lrnchat
9:22:46 pm moehlert: @hybridkris #lrnchat Well played sir.
9:22:53 pm hybridkris: @edwsonoma DITA also has learning objects in a draft spec. We’re using it for content. #lrnchat
9:23:05 pm lrnchat: New question coming in a few minutes. Get your reusability tips in now! #lrnchat
9:23:27 pm moehlert: @benduffy #lrnchat @priaak Doesn’t reuse also have to be supported by a business case?
9:23:43 pm roninchef: Reminds me of menu planning. I tried to overlap my core ingredients, but would give each plate it’s own unique thing. #lrnchat
9:24:08 pm silverchirps: @shantarohse isn’t it possible that all human intelligence always existed and learning objects have always been recycled? #Lrnchat
9:24:15 pm KoreenOlbrish: @moehlert i believe the typical biz case is “save money”🙂 #lrnchat
9:24:30 pm ethang: nuggets and nougats, #lrnchat makes me hungry
9:24:36 pm benduffy: Content reuse needs to be supported by the learning program requirements dictated by business case. #lrnchat
9:24:43 pm carolwhit: @roninchef good analogy! #lrnchat
9:24:47 pm hybridkris: @moehlert We did a language conversion from English to Japanese in 4.5 days, 4 of which were the translator, half day to implement. #lrnchat
9:25:08 pm roninchef: @benduffy and deadlines. #lrnchat
9:25:21 pm KoreenOlbrish: @silverchirps wow, you took it THERE? all knowledge already exists. we’ve just yet to discover it…or reuse it. #lrnchat
9:25:35 pm gminks: RT @benduffy: Content reuse needs to be supported by the learning program requirements dictated by business case. #lrnchat
9:25:55 pm J_Schulz: OMG: @KoreenOlbrish; so that’s what I’ve been doing wrong! #lrnchat
9:26:22 pm benduffy: @roninchef Roger that. Deadlines influence reuse vs scratch create. I often want to put in more production value than is necessary #lrnchat
9:26:40 pm roninchef: @carolwhit Thanks, I pull on my years in the kitchen foe almost everything I do. #lrnchat
9:26:46 pm KoreenOlbrish: @silverchirps oh, i forgot the smiley😉 #lrnchat
9:27:06 pm benduffy: I have gotten better at limiting production value to key areas. #lrnchat
9:27:09 pm moehlert: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat Right. Which in turn has to be supported by the right tools, processes, and design methodology. Chick meet egg🙂
9:27:10 pm ThomasStone: Sorry @silvershirps, but I really don’t think “knowledge” exists as a floating abstraction, independent of individual minds. #lrnchat
9:27:47 pm ThomasStone: All of a sudden this took a philosophical turn, eh? Good thing I took 18 courses in philosophy in college and grad. school. LOL #lrnchat
9:28:03 pm shantarohse: @silverchirps That is a very comforting thought. I need to think about that a little more. #lrnchat
9:28:11 pm dangerdj: RT @hjarche: I learned how to make a tweet longer than 140 characters http://appendr.com/ #lrnchat
9:28:18 pm roninchef: @benduffy I was only half joking about the PS filters. I like to look at them as parameters. #lrnchat
9:28:23 pm marciamarcia: Deadlines influence reuse vs scratch create. I can want to put in more production value than necessary. via @benduffy for @moehlert #lrnchat
9:29:04 pm Priaak: reuse may be required for content that requires frequent updates #lrnchat/
9:29:19 pm lrnchat: Q3 via @shantarohse: Who is responsible for learning? How do we let them know? (Them = learner & educator) #lrnchat
9:29:28 pm roninchef: @marciamarcia Stanley Kubrik VS Roger Corman. #lrnchat
9:30:31 pm jilliant: @Priaak Yet reuse can also sometimes be nearly impossible for content that requires frequent updates… #lrnchat
9:30:36 pm lrnchat: Oh, so what that’s too philosophical after that other little riff? #lrnchat
9:31:05 pm carolwhit: @lrnchat Traditional thought says educator, I think learner is getting better at being responsible for their own learning now #lrnchat
9:31:17 pm benduffy: @lrnchat I’m stumped by the zenlike question re: who is responsible for learning… Isn’t that the student? #lrnchat
9:32:09 pm silverchirps: @KoreenOlbrish thanks for noticing me. It is so nice to be heard;) #Lrnchat
9:32:18 pm jimsky7: Learn-er == the student is responsible for learning. Teach-er == the teacher is responsible for learning. Simple? #lrnchat
9:32:28 pm shantarohse: I think the training department must be responsible. We get all the funding. #lrnchat
9:32:44 pm jimsky7: I’m a learn-er. #lrnchat
9:32:45 pm row4it: Believe it is the learner, but we assist in setting the environment and provide guides/resources. #lrnchat
9:32:48 pm J_Schulz: Most organizations that I am aware of do a very poor job preparing learners to take control of their own learning. #lrnchat
9:32:51 pm kdwashburn: Student’s brain constructs learning; teacher should provide whatever is needed & possible for the constructing. #lrnchat
9:33:05 pm roninchef: @benduffy He who is responsible for learning already knows but does not realize it. #lrnchat
9:33:58 pm carolwhit: @kdwashburn Guess we’re headed back to that design issue, provide the framework for the learner to learn in #lrnchat
9:34:00 pm benduffy: @roninchef lol you’re the zenmaster can you hear my one hand clapping? #lrnchat
9:34:01 pm J_Schulz: There is more to giving them responsibility than simply making it available. #lrnchat
9:34:27 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat “responsibility” for learning…does this equate to motivation?
9:34:54 pm ThomasStone: For humans, the learner is responsible for learning. For pets/animals, the trainer is because no concept of responsibility for them #lrnchat
9:35:06 pm roninchef: @benduffy Everybody put one hand together. It is bad Zen pun time! #lrnchat
9:35:07 pm worksmarts: @J_Schulz Yes – you can be responsible for driving a car and have to skills to do so #lrnchat
9:35:17 pm marciamarcia: @J_Schulz Many orgs also do a poor job of removing obstacles so we can learn naturally. #lrnchat
9:35:23 pm row4it: I agree with @J_ Schulz, and we should spend greater time in setting that environment. #lrnchat
9:35:39 pm benduffy: Responsibility lies in the creator making something meaningful and necessary. Can’t force people to learn un-needed information. #lrnchat
9:36:02 pm KoreenOlbrish: we’re trained in schools 2 b passive receptacles but systems fail the individuals. we should all b empowered 2 advocate 4 ourselves #lrnchat
9:36:21 pm gminks: RT @kdwashburn: Student’s brain constructs learning; teacher should provide whatever is needed & possible for the constructing. #lrnchat
9:36:34 pm Priaak: learner is responsible for learning… the educator shares the responsibility in measurement #lrnchat/
9:36:44 pm richardsheehy: #lrnchat many organization place more obstacles in the way of effective learning instead of removing them
9:36:57 pm worksmarts: RT @marciamarcia @J_Schulz Many orgs also do a poor job of removing obstacles so we can learn naturally. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:37:08 pm carolwhit: @KoreenOlbrish Funny thing is, we don’t start out that way. Young children want to learn. #lrnchat
9:37:27 pm lrnchat: So putting on our educator hats, what are we doing to help people recognize and embrace their inner learner? #lrnchat
9:37:47 pm worksmarts: @richardsheehy What does an environment need to be free of most obstacles to learning? #lrnchat
9:37:50 pm roninchef: Responsibility is shared between the teacher and the student. One to teach one to learn. Co-operation is key here. #lrnchat
9:38:06 pm KoreenOlbrish: @carolwhit absolutely. they don’t see any barriers, or think there is anything they CAN’T learn #lrnchat
9:38:20 pm Quinnovator: you can’t *cause* learning, only can create environments conducive; learner has some responsibility (but you can entice🙂 #lrnchat
9:38:21 pm richardsheehy: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat that is exactly the difference between school and learning
9:38:30 pm kdwashburn: Celebrate growth, no matter how small. Help the learner recognize when he/she has grown. #lrnchat
9:38:58 pm carolwhit: @lrnchat start with providing just what they need, when they need it #lrnchat
9:39:16 pm Quinnovator: @richardsheehy as I often say: we’re the ones who’ve retained our love of learning *despite* schooling #lrnchat
9:39:17 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator The idea of ambient learning, perhaps? #lrnchat
9:39:20 pm silverchirps: @kdwashburn Yes, I agree. Teacher’s role is to create optimal learning environment for learners. #lrnchat
9:39:52 pm marciamarcia: @carolwhit Ask group of adults how many can sing & ~50% say yes. Ask group of 5yr olds & 100% say yes. System failed us somewhere. #lrnchat
9:39:57 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef ambient learning, mentoring, making meaningful, … #lrnchat
9:40:11 pm worksmarts: @lrnchat 2 recognize + embrace inner learner people need 2 “see” thought processes + end products visually, eg mind maps, ROI #lrnchat
9:40:13 pm shantarohse: Learning to learn is a key part of my training strategy. #lrnchat
9:40:26 pm Quinnovator: @marciamarcia same with drawing, acting, etc #lrnchat
9:40:46 pm richardsheehy: @worksmarts #lrnchat I just thing some organizations make it harder for the people who are interested in improving the learning environment
9:40:48 pm benduffy: @Quinnovator (RT) you can’t *cause* learning, only can create environments conducive; learner has some responsibility #lrnchat
9:41:03 pm Quinnovator: RT @shantarohse Learning to learn is a key part of my training strategy. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:41:16 pm moehlert: RT @shantarohse: Learning to learn is a key part of my training strategy. #lrnchat
9:41:22 pm kdwashburn: @shantarohse Learning to learn should be the central goal of formal education! #lrnchat
9:41:24 pm carolwhit: @Quinnovator seems the system is still part of the problem #lrnchat
9:41:29 pm lrnchat: @shantarohse Seems to be some irony there. Hoping part of your strategy is to help them rediscover their capacity to learn. #lrnchat
9:41:45 pm worksmarts: @marciamarcia Yes, confidence is eroded through traditional approaches to schooling – makes teachers important + learners less so #lrnchat
9:42:10 pm shantarohse: @Quinnovator RE:entice. Sometimes I feel I am in marketing, not training. #lrnchat
9:42:41 pm richardsheehy: #lrnchat anothe rrole for the teacher is to follow up with the learner (dare I say the a word)
9:42:46 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat but augmenting their skills, too! May love learning, but maybe could be more effective? #lrnchat
9:42:53 pm benduffy: I’m not sure we need to teach people how to learn, that’s human nature. We need to make necessary and relevant learning #lrnchat
9:42:57 pm MariaOD: RT @Quinnovator RT @shantarohse Learning to learn is a key part of my training strategy. #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:43:08 pm carolwhit: @shantarohse I’ve found marketing classes something that were lacking in my ID program, but have to use constantly now #lrnchat
9:43:14 pm KoreenOlbrish: @shantarohse don’t you think we have an intrinsic capacity to learn? is it learning to learn, or recognizing our capacity to learn? #lrnchat
9:43:23 pm Quinnovator: @shantarohse motivation is a part of learning: need to help them see why it’s important to them (but you should know why😉 #lrnchat
9:43:53 pm worksmarts: Interesting that many of us see marketing as a core competency for learning pros #lrnchat
9:44:01 pm lrnchat: I’m going to toss in a bonus question. Please stay to answer if you can. If not, please answer during the week and mark #lrnchat
9:44:11 pm Quinnovator: @benduffy there’s evidence that most folks aren’t effective self-learners #lrnchat
9:44:13 pm gminks: maybe we need to develop learning events, not classes #lrnchat
9:44:21 pm richardsheehy: @KoreenOlbrish #lrnchat I think the intrinsic capacity is curiosity and the consequences are to be learned from . or not
9:44:37 pm lrnchat: Q4: If you could say 1 thing to Fortune 500 CEOs & CTOs about learning, what would it be? #lrnchat
9:45:04 pm KoreenOlbrish: @richardsheehy in the case of my middle kiddo, usually not😉 #lrnchat
9:45:05 pm Quinnovator: YES! RT @gminks maybe we need to develop learning events, not classes #lrnchat #lrnchat
9:45:09 pm worksmarts: @gminks How about learning incubators, not events #lrnchat
9:45:34 pm ThomasStone: Q4 answer: “Value learning.” #lrnchat
9:45:45 pm tgrevatt: Good evening #lrnchat – just rushed home to catch the last few mins (does that mean I’m addicted?!) #lrnchat
9:45:48 pm kdwashburn: @lrnchat Unless you and your people are engaged in learning, your irrelevance is already in process. #lrnchat
9:45:52 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat don’t think of learning as ‘training’ think of it as problem-solving, design, creativity, innovation… #lrnchat
9:45:55 pm carolwhit: @lrnchat Allowing your staff time to learn what they need to do their job will only help the company (not just formal training) #lrnchat
9:46:07 pm hybridkris: @lrnchat Continual education of your teams is one of the most important things you can offer. #lrnchat
9:46:09 pm Priaak: we seem to be assuming that there is a 1-1 interaction – in many cases there may not be a educator with self paced learning – mgr #lrnchat/
9:46:26 pm Quinnovator: @tgrevatt in the same boat, (er, same ‘fix’…?🙂 #lrnchat
9:46:55 pm marciamarcia: @worksmarts Marketing is a core competency for everyone today. Educing (bring out w/ education) too. #lrnchat
9:47:03 pm gminks: @lrnchat I’d tell them: you are measuring it wrong #lrnchat
9:47:10 pm jilliant: RT @Quinnovator: @lrnchat don’t think of learning as ‘training’ think of it as problem-solving, design, creativity, innovation… #lrnchat
9:47:21 pm silverchirps: @Quinnovator “You cannot teach a man anything; you can only help him find it within himself.”- Galileo Galilei #quote #lrnchat
9:47:24 pm roninchef: @gminks That is part of the SoMe approach. Build up a buzz in the org. Value is perception. Payoff is what they take away. #lrnchat
9:47:26 pm rdeis: @richardsheehy I agree with the curiosity thought. That’s what brought me to this event for the first time #lrnchat
9:47:27 pm gminks: I would also say: you’re funding learning wrong #lrnchat
9:47:42 pm Quinnovator: @hybridkris oh, I wouldn’t use the ‘e’ word! (Pink Floyd: “We don’t need no edukashun”) #lrnchat
9:47:50 pm gminks: @worksmarts cuz no one will fund an incubator #lrnchat
9:47:51 pm KoreenOlbrish: encourage critical thinking, not skill development #lrnchat
9:48:03 pm worksmarts: @lrnchat CEOs & CTOs stop trying to replicate + adopt learning programs of other companies. Be on the forefront – allow innovate #lrnchat
9:48:04 pm tgrevatt: Q4 Answer – never stop learning and never stop facilitating others to learn. No learning == no innovation. #lrnchat
9:48:09 pm jimsky7: I make learning “materials” that stay constant (modular) and then create “stories” that wrap them into “courses” when needed. #lrnchat
9:48:13 pm richardsheehy: RT @kdwashburn: @lrnchat Unless U & yr ppl R engaged in learning, yr irrelevance is alrdy in process. #lrnchat (very Demmingesque)
9:48:21 pm marciamarcia: Don’t think of learning as training, think of it as problem-solving, design, creativity, innovation… via @Quinnovator #lrnchat
9:48:22 pm Quinnovator: @silverchirps yes, facilitation, not presentation! #lrnchat
9:48:26 pm worksmarts: RT @KoreenOlbrish encourage critical thinking, not skill development #lrnchat
9:48:29 pm gminks: the only competitive advantage you have is how fast your people can learn #heyceos #lrnchat
9:48:33 pm ThomasStone: Oooh Quinn busts out with the Floyd! (my favorite group) #lrnchat
9:48:46 pm benduffy: Learning is’t about telling someone what you think they need to know. It’s about providing a ripe method to fill the knowledge gap. #lrnchat
9:49:25 pm mfubib: RT @benduffy:I’m not sure we need to teach people how to learn, thats human nature We need to make necessary and relevant learning #lrnchat
9:49:46 pm worksmarts: Build the “container” for the conversation and innovation in the workplace and in digital collaboration environments #lrnchat
9:50:06 pm Quinnovator: RT @benduffy Learning isn’t about telling someone what…they need to know. It’s about providing a ripe method to fill the…gap #lrnchat
9:50:37 pm moehlert: RT @worksmarts: RT @KoreenOlbrish encourage critical thinking, not skill development #lrnchat
9:51:01 pm thecleversheep: As Wesch might ask: Is it more important for students to be knowledgeable or knowledge-able? #lrnchat
9:51:41 pm marciamarcia: My msg to execs about learning: It’s useful everywhere. Discovery and learning are competitive advantages throughout your org. #lrnchat
9:52:06 pm ethang: Cool, build a container for innovation @worksmarts #lrnchat – and make sure everybody gets a key
9:52:10 pm tgrevatt: fostering curiosity and creating a culture (just back from a culture workshop🙂 )of enquiry on many levels is imp. #lrnchat
9:52:14 pm marciamarcia: Is it more important for people to be knowledgeable or knowledge-able? via @thecleversheep #lrnchat
9:52:24 pm worksmarts: @ethang You bet! #lrnchat
9:53:09 pm tgrevatt: @marciamarcia I could be knowledgeable but not able to be a practioner though…interesting word play #lrnchat
9:53:10 pm Quinnovator: @ethang don’t contain it, set innovation free! #lrnchat
9:54:16 pm carolwhit: @marciamarcia …and allow innovation to drive the discovery process, too often innovation is the first thing to get killed #lrnchat
9:54:24 pm row4it: @marciamarcia, but is the discovery piece too mushy for some senior leader to get? #lrnchat
9:54:58 pm moehlert: RT @ethang: Cool, build a container for innovation @worksmarts #lrnchat – and make sure everybody gets a key
9:55:19 pm roninchef: @row4it Are they not discovering something when they use Google? #lrnchat
9:55:49 pm ethang: @Quinnovator #lrnchat well put! no bricks, no walls
9:55:51 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat I look at the “container” as process….innovation needs systematic support
9:55:58 pm row4it: My point @carolwhit! most execs don’t get what it take to create the innovation and creativity environment #lrnchat
9:56:13 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef, actually, I think labels are a big barrier for us, as @rowit is hinting at #lrnchat
9:56:57 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator It is the action. Not the label. #lrnchat
9:57:32 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert agree w/ systemic support, but needs to be enabled throughout workplace & workday, not something apart, ubiquitous #lrnchat
9:57:55 pm lrnchat: Last thing we do here (tho feel free to keep chattin) is to ask you to tell us abt something your working on & if we can assist you #lrnchat
9:58:24 pm Quinnovator: @roninchef it’s not what you mean by the label, it’s what the CEO thinks the label means😮 #lrnchat
9:58:29 pm Priaak: exec must also allow time for learning… no one wants to take mandatory learning after work hours #lrnchat/
9:58:51 pm lrnchat: @row4it They may not know how to create discovery-friendly environment, but most execs know they want it. #lrnchat
9:58:53 pm carolwhit: @Quinnovator guess we’re back to marketing again! #lrnchat
9:59:24 pm moehlert: @lrnchat #lrnchat Working on slides for BIG presentation next week. Need thoughts/images of virtual worlds & learning. KTHX!🙂
9:59:35 pm shantarohse: @roninchef Without a common language, CEO can stop any action while it is still a label. #lrnchat
9:59:35 pm Quinnovator: @carolwhit I like to think of it as making it meaningful, relevant, motivating😉 #lrnchat
9:59:38 pm tgrevatt: I’m pondering a submission for #devlearn, call for papers is now out, blimey – is is that time already, time flies…. #lrnchat
9:59:50 pm roninchef: @Quinnovator Fair enough.🙂 #lrnchat
10:00:10 pm Quinnovator: @moehlert how’d that LOLcat get in here? #lrnchat
10:00:26 pm roninchef: @shantarohse Isn’t the Google common enough? #lrnchat
10:00:51 pm carolwhit: @Quinnovator Yes, as learning professionals, we have a higher use for marketing, don’t we?🙂 #lrnchat
10:01:09 pm shantarohse: @Quinnovator @marciamarcia @carolwhit Is it marketing or rhetorical skills you are talking about? #lrnchat
10:01:42 pm Quinnovator: @carolwhit LOL #lrnchat
10:02:04 pm Quinnovator: @shantarohse I’m talking making learning engaging, but… #lrnchat
10:02:31 pm marciamarcia: @shantarohse Marketing. Making the case for value, presenting the benefits and return. #lrnchat
10:02:45 pm carolwhit: @shantarohse If you have to “sell” it to a CEO/CLO, then there has to be some marketing involved to make it relevant to them #lrnchat
10:03:00 pm Quinnovator: @lrnchat Apologies for showing up late, and thanks for the participation of all of you! #lrnchat
10:03:20 pm MariaOD: working to build a culture of learning one small group at a time. Rented the hall, got a band and great food..where are the guests?#lrnchat
10:03:30 pm KoreenOlbrish: we learning people could stand to be a little more like sales lizards🙂 #lrnchat
10:04:30 pm KoreenOlbrish: Thanks for ANOTHER great chat session! Always leave inspired! #lrnchat
10:04:31 pm silverchirps: I need good existing examples for how Twitter can be used in langauge teaching/learning. #lrnchat
10:04:34 pm row4it: Told 2 combine a Corp. Univ & Quality office in2 1 dept that provides laser focus assistance 2 move cty on efficiency journey #lrnchat
10:04:39 pm roninchef: @KoreenOlbrish Lizards? I thought they were weasels. #lrnchat
10:04:43 pm Quinnovator: @MariaOD did you send out the invitations? #lrnchat
10:04:55 pm marciamarcia: Working on presentation for next week & welcome thoughts/images for “reinventing enterprise learning.” Sales lizards welcome. #lrnchat
10:05:08 pm shantarohse: Thank you all for another engaging evening. I have dozens of little yellow stars on the right of my screen🙂 Many thanks. #lrnchat
10:05:16 pm benduffy: Thanks all, another inspiring Thursday night chatting with you about learning. #lrnchat
10:05:26 pm moehlert: @Quinnovator #lrnchat I believe that’s how you spell CULTURE.🙂
10:05:39 pm tgrevatt: @KoreenOlbrish I find the sales & marketing folks a fascinating species to study – the sales process is akin to dating #lrnchat
10:06:13 pm lrnchat: Thank you everyone for participating. Please consider writing about your experience and sending me links. We need to market🙂 #lrnchat
10:06:17 pm gminks: thanks #lrnchat!
10:06:17 pm Quinnovator: @marciamarcia just been doing presentations on that, remind me to lob in your direction #lrnchat
10:06:25 pm roninchef: Good night chatters. See you all on the internets. #lrnchat
10:06:34 pm benduffy: Welcome all to participate online in next week’s http://www.eLearningplaygroup.com meeting Tuesday 8:30 AM to 10:00 am, fee, url 4 details #lrnchat
10:07:09 pm Quinnovator: thanks and good night all you wonderful tweeple! #lrnchat
10:07:18 pm lrnchat: If you haven’t done so already, please go to https://lrnchat.wordpress.com and click through to “Whos-who”. #lrnchat
10:07:48 pm benduffy: @benduffy meant to say FREE… lol we’re examining eLearning course best practices. #lrnchat
10:07:50 pm KoreenOlbrish: sales= speak with authority, ask for what you want, leverage relationships, be confident & armed with data🙂 #lrnchat
10:08:18 pm silverchirps: And build on prior knowledge. @Quinnovator @carolwhit I like to think of it as making it meaningful, relevant, motivating😉 #lrnchat
10:08:21 pm row4it: RT @row4it: You are a great group to hang with on a Thursday evening. Always take away something. Thanks. #lrnchat
10:08:22 pm moehlert: #lrnchat GREAT job ‘chatters. Thx for all the learnin’s !
10:08:24 pm carolwhit: Thanks for another great evening! #lrnchat
10:08:27 pm J_Schulz: ‘night all #lrnchat
10:09:02 pm hybridkris: Thanks for the great chat! #lrnchat

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