Transcript 15 November 2012 MOOCs

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08:30:52 pm lrnchat: Hello everyone and welcome to #lrnchat. How have you been?
08:31:19 pm lrnchat: Please introduce yourself. Name, specialties, interests, etc.? #lrnchat
08:31:51 pm LnDDave: Greetings #lrnchat! I hope everyone is doing well this evening.
08:32:24 pm lrnchat: Q0. We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:32:25 pm Quinnovator: it’s time for the 90 minute memestream that is #lrnchat. Duck or join! Welcome to new and returning participants!
08:32:45 pm lodtrain: #lrnchat Been great getting ready for the TG holidays
08:32:54 pm lewismal: Hi Malcolm Lewis in Queensland Australia. MOOC fan. #lrnchat
08:32:58 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith – North Texas – Project Coordinator – Anji Technologies – #lrnchat
08:33:09 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning tech strategist, author/speaker/consultant, genial malcontent, Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
08:33:49 pm ryantracey: Hi all, Ryan Tracey from rainy Sydney. #lrnchat
08:34:08 pm Quinnovator: a0) learned that you can’t do a mobile strategy without getting into overall tech strategy #lrnchat
08:34:26 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat Alison Seaman, almost done MHRD (one more class), work in learning, interested in cMOOCs, KM, networked/social learning. #lrnchat
08:34:33 pm lodtrain: #lrnchat Q0) Learned about the Power of Habit @cduhigg where he talks about Cue > Routine > Reward
08:34:43 pm nickfloro: Hi all, outside Philly, project manager @sealworks #lrnchat
08:34:44 pm Quinnovator: a0) had a great idea of using mobile performance support on the device while doing the f2f and/or elearning course #lrnchat
08:34:51 pm briandusablon: Brian Dusablon, Houston, TX. Learning & Web Technology Consultant. Learning Ninja, philanthropist. Usability/Accessibility geek. #lrnchat
08:34:52 pm LnDDave: David Kelly, recovering basement pool improv specialist from NY, Learning Consultant by day. #lrnchat
08:35:17 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Quinnovator: a0) learned that you can’t do a mobile strategy without getting into overall tech strategy #lrnchat
08:35:47 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat I learned about a study showing that personalized KM has been show to work well in turbulent org environments. #lrnchat
08:35:58 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat I also re-learned how to make a clickable table of contents in a new version of Word. #lrnchat
08:36:07 pm Quinnovator: ao) realized that most orgs already *have* social media content to develop strategy around, just needs curation #lrnchat
08:36:55 pm briandusablon: Q0) I learned about universal/inclusive design, IDEO’s Method Cards (and the iPhone app), and, as usual, a bit more about beer. #lrnchat
08:37:09 pm ryantracey: I learned that time-wasting costs Australian businesses collectively $87 billion a year. Sobering thought! #lrnchat
08:38:23 pm briandusablon: Q0) I learned that the Nike Fuel Band is just not for me, so I’m going to have to go back to more manual tracking/analytics. #lrnchat
08:38:25 pm lrnchat: Q1) How would you describe a MOOC? Why do you think they have emerged? #lrnchat
08:38:37 pm ryantracey: @Quinnovator …and collaboration (rather than a siloed approach). #lrnchat
08:38:52 pm briandusablon: @ryantracey Hmm…what do they define as time-wasting? #lrnchat
08:39:06 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How would you describe a MOOC? Why do you think they have emerged? #lrnchat
08:39:10 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How would you describe a MOOC? Why do you think they have emerged? #lrnchat
08:39:17 pm FemmeTeacher: @lrnchat HS ELA, using technology to improve student outcomes #lrnchat
08:39:29 pm Quinnovator: RT @ryantracey: @Quinnovator …and collaboration (rather than a siloed approach). #lrnchat
08:39:40 pm JaneBozarth: @ryantracey “time wasting” is really subjective… who detemines it? #lrnchat
08:39:46 pm Anji_Tech: BYOD Threats Require Additional IT Resources: Webroot http://t.co/SL1UKuYO #lrnchat
08:39:53 pm AlisonSeaman: RT @lrnchat: Q1) How would you describe a MOOC? Why do you think they have emerged? #lrnchat
08:40:06 pm nickfloro: Q0 What did I learn today? Reminded Surround yourself with smarter people & you will learn/achieve more + love new letterpress app #lrnchat
08:40:12 pm FemmeTeacher: Q0 – I (re)learned that it’s uber-important to belong to a community of like-minded/hearted educators
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08:40:19 pm Quinnovator: a1) Massively Open Online Course, emerged to increase access #lrnchat
08:40:51 pm Quinnovator: RT @nickfloro: Q0 What did I learn today? Reminded Surround yourself with smarter people & you will learn/achieve more #lrnchat < true, that
08:40:53 pm gminks: MOOCs are massive self paced online courses…popular cuz you get out what you put in #lrnchat
08:41:01 pm lodtrain: #lrnchat Q1) MOOC great for universities to have access to online courses globally
08:41:11 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat At least 2 kinds. One instructivist and content-driven, the other cooperative, networked learning. I prefer the latter. #lrnchat
08:41:18 pm LnDDave: A1) Massively Open Online Courses have emerged as a growing alternatove to traditional instruction. #lrnchat
08:41:46 pm Quinnovator: a1) several variants: cMOOCs are very self-directed, xMOOCs are very other-directed #lrnchat
08:41:47 pm ryantracey: @JaneBozarth Some auditing company :0P #lrnchat
08:41:47 pm lewismal: Q1. Moocs have emerged because online tools make new forms possible. #lrnchat
08:41:54 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat cMOOCs emerged to manage large amounts of knowledge and information and work well for networked environments. #lrnchat
08:42:05 pm briandusablon: @nickfloro heh. LetterPress will be like Draw Something and WWF. Great fun for about 2-3 weeks, then die off. Fun for now! #lrnchat
08:42:08 pm kelly_smith01: “Thus we play the fool with the time and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and MOOC us.” #lrnchat
08:42:18 pm lewismal: RT @AlisonSeaman: 2 kinds. One instructivist and content-driven, the other cooperative, networked learning. I prefer the latter. #lrnchat
08:42:21 pm ryantracey: @briandusablon Good point. #lrnchat
08:42:23 pm FemmeTeacher: Q1) Do you guys find that MOOCs are effective in increasing learning or just assessment? #lrnchat
08:42:35 pm gminks: Q0 today I learned the universe is an amazing place ….and the importance of strong ties #lrnchat
08:42:59 pm nickfloro: RT @lewismal: Q1. Moocs have emerged because online tools make new forms possible. #lrnchat
08:43:03 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat xMOOCs have emerged as ways to achieve economies of scale for venture capitalists. #lrnchat
08:43:06 pm Quinnovator: @FemmeTeacher depends on which and how; think the two major variants need to move towards each other to achieve more learning #lrnchat
08:43:14 pm LnDDave: A1) MOOCs address two critical educational needs to make them accessible: Open Access and Scalability #lrnchat
08:43:30 pm Quinnovator: RT @LnDDave: A1) MOOCs address two critical educational needs to make them accessible: Open Access and Scalability #lrnchat
08:43:34 pm lewismal: A1 MOOC have merged because educations needs a disruption.,m too expensive, to powerful. #lrnchat
08:43:41 pm stevier: Late to #lrnchat tonight. Sorry! Stevie Rocco, Asst Dir for Learning Design, PSU
08:43:43 pm LnDDave: RT @Quinnovator: a1) several variants: cMOOCs are very self-directed, xMOOCs are very other-directed #lrnchat
08:43:54 pm FemmeTeacher: @Quinnovator Gotcha! #lrnchat
08:44:10 pm stevier: RT @Quinnovator: a1) several variants: cMOOCs are very self-directed, xMOOCs are very other-directed #lrnchat
08:44:46 pm lewismal: I think CMOOCs strong fit for emergent areas of knowledge. XMoocs OK fro a body of knowledge that is more stable, slow. #lrnchat
08:44:52 pm kelly_smith01: Like the idea of MOOCs but not engaged with them now #lrnchat
08:45:00 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat or rather, I shld say are less abt heutagogy/andragogy or even pedagogy. Mostly abt $. And #HigherEd is facing shortfall. #lrnchat
08:45:30 pm bonstewart: @lrnchat MOOCs=(some of) the possibilities of the internet happening to education. some also=possibilities being co-opted by biz #lrnchat
08:45:36 pm stevier: #lrnchat MOOCs used to be known as “the hairy arm method of DE.” Many of them utilize outdated pedagogy we threw out years ago. For a reason
08:45:47 pm AlisonSeaman: Yup. RT @LnDDave: RT @Quinnovator: a1) several variants: cMOOCs are very self-directed, xMOOCs are very other-directed #lrnchat
08:45:49 pm Quinnovator: a1) xMOOCs: content and assess, cMOOCs: content and discussion; need content and discussion and assess #lrnchat
08:45:55 pm LnDDave: RT @Quinnovator: a1) xMOOCs: content and assess, cMOOCs: content and discussion; need content and discussion and assess #lrnchat
08:45:57 pm lewismal: New knowledge emerges in CMoocs, old knowledge is transferred from expert to learner in xMoocs #lrnchat
08:46:13 pm AlisonSeaman: @bonstewart That was more eloquent. Thank you. #lrnchat
08:46:32 pm AlisonSeaman: RT @lewismal: New knowledge emerges in CMoocs, old knowledge is transferred from expert to learner in xMoocs #lrnchat
08:46:34 pm gminks: RT @lewismal: New knowledge emerges in CMoocs, old knowledge is transferred from expert to learner in xMoocs #Lrnchat
08:46:35 pm lodtrain: @LnDDave #lrnchat Q1) MOOC other critical items how do you measure? How do you know if learner has mastered the course
08:46:43 pm bonstewart: @lrnchat MOOCs didn’t emerge from current focus on 100K+ scale & brand consolidation by elite unis/startups. they were grassroots. #lrnchat
08:46:50 pm kelly_smith01: As long as I can still drive and have PULL I would engage in any level in a MOC #lrnchat
08:47:21 pm LnDDave: @lodtrain I think it depends on the MOOC. In many cases assessment is done by the participant or peers. #lrnchat
08:47:51 pm gminks: RT @lodtrain: @LnDDave #lrnchat How do you know if learner has mastered the course <is that really important? #Lrnchat
08:48:04 pm lewismal: @bonstewart amzing how early history of Moocs is being distorted by tech entrepreneurs. Fools #lrnchat
08:48:05 pm kelly_smith01: RT @LnDDave: @lodtrain I think it depends on the MOOC. In many cases assessment is done by the participant or peers. #lrnchat
08:48:21 pm stevier: @gminks It is if you eventually want to credential or give credit for prior learning. #lrnchat
08:49:01 pm nickfloro: Q1 if you are new or need background, read http://t.co/kFBtIs5W #lrnchat
08:49:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @stevier: #lrnchat MOOCs… Many of them utilize outdated pedagogy we threw out years ago. For a reason < verily
08:49:15 pm LnDDave: RT @nickfloro: Q1 if you are new or need background, read http://t.co/kFBtIs5W #lrnchat
08:49:18 pm bonstewart: @lrnchat MOOCs emerged out of opening content & registration but also outcomes for learning. early MOOCs=peer-driven & distributed. #lrnchat
08:49:28 pm lewismal: You know learning has happened same way u know learning happens in Tweet chats. You think differently, know new stuff. #lrnchat
08:49:28 pm RioPDX: I learned today that I’m out of work. Anyone need a training leader? #lrnchat
08:49:32 pm gminks: @stevier That’s what I found frustrating in grad school….participating but getting credit was cumbersome #Lrnchat
08:50:02 pm stevier: @gminks That’s really where the change will happen, IMHO, if at all. It will be in credentialing process. #lrnchat
08:50:11 pm gminks: RT @lewismal: You know learning has happened same way u know learning happens in Tweet chats. You think differently, know new stuff #Lrnchat
08:50:20 pm AlisonSeaman: cMOOC: https://t.co/xX3JniC4 RT @nickfloro: Q1 if you are new or need background, read http://t.co/nFxjGgUZ #lrnchat
08:50:23 pm stevier: @aangeli Recent research shows only a 30% completion rate on MOOCs #lrnchat
08:50:26 pm Quinnovator: @aangeli @LnDDave there’ve been very high dropout rates #lrnchat
08:50:32 pm lrnchat: Q2) Have you tried a MOOC? What has your experience been? If you’ve never tried one, what have you heard about them? #lrnchat
08:50:44 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Have you tried a MOOC? What has your experience been? If you’ve never tried one, what have you heard about them? #lrnchat
08:50:46 pm lewismal: @RioPDX Sorry to hear that . Good luck. #lrnchat
08:50:50 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Have you tried a MOOC? What has your experience been? If you’ve never tried one, what have you heard about them? #lrnchat
08:51:07 pm kelly_smith01: I just want to learning – I don’t need no stinking credentials (most of the time). #lrnchat
08:51:08 pm LnDDave: RT @AlisonSeaman: cMOOC: http://t.co/ajJQ6CeX RT @nickfloro: Q1 if you are new or need background, read http://t.co/rEhWzjw3 #lrnchat
08:51:11 pm lodtrain: #lrnchat Q1) MOOC – will this mean less brick and mortal college institutions allows learners to get a good but less expensive education?
08:51:27 pm aneuendorf: RT @Quinnovator: a1) xMOOCs: content and assess, cMOOCs: content and discussion; need content and discussion and assess #lrnchat
08:51:48 pm stevier: Q2) Haven’t tried, but have looked. Have seen both plagiarized materials and poor teaching/learning. Gotta look for good ones. #lrnchat
08:51:50 pm ryantracey: MOOC pedagogy may have its flaws, but the model still provides unparallelled access to quality content for many learners. #lrnchat
08:51:55 pm Quinnovator: a2) tried a cMOOC, but felt too undirected, haven’t tried an xMOOC, hear they’re deterministic tho’ #lrnchat
08:51:55 pm bonstewart: @Quinnovator @aangeli @LnDDave very high in both cMOOCs & xMOOCs. but there’s no filter for participation – ppl join for curiosity. #lrnchat
08:52:21 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat Q2. I took a cMOOC for credit. It was a transformative learning experience for me. #lrnchat
08:52:23 pm lodtrain: @lrnchat #lrnchat Q2) MOOC – heard of especially for flipping the classroom, haven’t used them — yet
08:52:29 pm lewismal: A2. I have done sever MOOCS- awesome lifechanging learning at best, #lrnchat
08:52:54 pm lewismal: a2. Moocs at worse a whole lead of interesting stuff I couldn’t find time to read let alone think about. #lrnchat
08:52:57 pm bonstewart: @Quinnovator @aangeli @LnDDave i don’t think dropouts mean the same thing as in conventional ed: more like browsing vs sending back #lrnchat
08:52:59 pm Quinnovator: @ryantracey if only content alone were sufficient for learning! #lrnchat
08:53:02 pm gminks: Q2) yes, At the same time I started grad school did CCK08. LOVED IT. Learned lots. Know a few of you from there :) #Lrnchat
08:53:06 pm FemmeTeacher: A2) It seems like MOOCs work best with intrinsically motivated and independent learners. Not so good for HS #lrnchat
08:53:20 pm kelly_smith01: Let me rephrase – I just want to learn – I do not particularly need certification or diploma. #lrnchat
08:53:22 pm stevier: I have real concerns RE claim MOOCs can help remedial learners. Other issues (poverty, readiness) don’t disappear because it’s free #lrnchat
08:53:35 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat I registered for xMOOC. Couldn’t get beyond a Java problem so only saw 6 minutes and then fell behind and stopped. #lrnchat
08:53:36 pm LnDDave: A2) I’ve tried MOOCs, but have not yet seen one all the way through. Somehow it lacks a hook for me. #lrnchat
08:53:37 pm gminks: Q2 hoping to take a programming course in Jan #Lrnchat
08:53:41 pm lewismal: A2. I have grown my networks and found some gr8 connection thru MOOCs of ongoing value for learning & collaboration #lrnchat
08:53:48 pm jsteeveslepage: Took coursera mooc on gamification. It was awesome. loved the format and contributions. Peer review was interesting experience #lrnchat
08:54:04 pm JaneBozarth: Does @jonbecker know #lrnchat is talking MOOCs tonight? He might have something to add–
08:54:15 pm LnDDave: @AlisonSeaman What made your experience transformational? #LRNCHAT
08:54:24 pm Quinnovator: of course, another MOOC I participate in is very different, people talking about curated questions for 90 mins #lrnchat :)
08:54:30 pm gminks: @FemmeTeacher Idk …. Have you ever seen teenagers learn together when it was something they *wanted* to learn? #Lrnchat
08:54:34 pm JaneBozarth: Will be doing/leading a MOOC 2013, concerned about many complaints re learner participation issues #lrnchat
08:54:35 pm kelly_smith01: MOCCs can save on travel, scheduling issues, and possibly deploy close to the place of performance. #lrnchat
08:54:37 pm johnhaining: Hey #smfuts12 – #lrnchat today is also discussing aspects of MOOCs etc
08:54:42 pm ryantracey: @Quinnovator I totally agree, but it’s also a big help to the disadvantaged, for example, or students with bad teachers. #lrnchat
08:54:43 pm lodtrain: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat Can you push the MOOC to learners to get participation?
08:54:45 pm ActivateLearn: @lrnchat A2) I did Gamification course on Coursera which was fantastic. I finished it too. Worth it. #lrnchat
08:54:47 pm LnDDave: @lewismal What made your MOOC experience life-changing? #lrnchat
08:54:50 pm ActivateLearn: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Have you tried a MOOC? What has your experience been? If you’ve never tried one, what have you heard about them? #lrnchat
08:55:06 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat cMOOC works best with a certain level of digital literacy and the abilitiy to self-direct. #lrnchat
08:55:07 pm bonstewart: @aangeli @Quinnovator @LnDDave at this point, they’re still free. some may be moving towards nominal fee for credit. emerging fast. #lrnchat
08:55:14 pm lodtrain: RT @ActivateLearn: @lrnchat A2) I did Gamification course on Coursera which was fantastic. I finished it too. Worth it. #lrnchat
08:55:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: I was in MOOC on PLEs & whatnot. Ask ppl to take survey; <25% involved in for-profit endeavors–so, mostly not my world. #lrnchat
08:55:17 pm lewismal: A2. My experience contextual learner centered learning. the best kind. #lrnchat
08:55:33 pm ActivateLearn: @lrnchat A2) initially didn’t understand peer review concept on mooc but I enjoyed the whole course. #lrnchat
08:55:37 pm stevier: @ryantracey Only if they’re already independent and ready to learn. So many need better scaffolding. #lrnchat
08:55:55 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Quinnovator: of course, another MOOC I participate in is very different, people talking about curated questions for 90 mins #lrnchat :)
08:55:58 pm stevier: THIS–>RT @AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat cMOOC works best with a certain level of digital literacy and the abilitiy to self-direct. #lrnchat
08:56:09 pm aangeli: @JaneBozarth such as? #lrnchat
08:56:22 pm Dave_Ferguson: Saw what felt like lots of organizer talk about how many signed up, but fall-off e.g. on discussion boards was steep. #lrnchat
08:56:33 pm JaneBozarth: @jsteeveslepage not following comment about completion rates? Maybe you didn’t mean that for me? #lrnchat
08:56:45 pm FemmeTeacher: @gminks Of course, but HS school curriculum isn’t focused on what they want to learn :-/ #lrnchat
08:56:46 pm Quinnovator: @aangeli you can access from UK too; free if you don’t want accreditation #lrnchat
08:56:47 pm aangeli: RT @AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat cMOOC works best with a certain level of digital literacy and the abilitiy to self-direct. #lrnchat
08:56:48 pm ActivateLearn: @lrnchat A2) picked up Gamification tips that I immediately applied to my workplace project #lrnchat
08:56:59 pm novologic: & Traditional classes too unaffordable @lewismal: Q1. Moocs have emerged because online tools make new forms possible. #lrnchat
08:57:00 pm ryantracey: @stevier Yep, agreed. #lrnchat
08:57:05 pm lewismal: @LnDDave I encountered some truly gr8 new ideas & was able to link them into my deep thinking by staying connected with moocers #lrnchat
08:57:23 pm AlisonSeaman: @LnDDave The feedback from such amazing people, gaining confidence in sharing my thoughts by lrng openly. Also: I’m an introvert. #lrnchat
08:57:27 pm kelly_smith01: Is there a MOOC on MOOCs? #lrnchat
08:57:27 pm JaneBozarth: @aangeli You’re the only one who asked. Too many participants; people who pay get more access to instructors than free attendees #lrnchat
08:57:28 pm gminks: So many need better scaffolding. <can that be designed into the MOOC? #Lrnchat
08:57:33 pm briandusablon: Anyone encountered accessibility issues with MOOCs? #lrnchat
08:57:47 pm AlisonSeaman: THIS RT @stevier: @ryantracey Only if theyre already independent and ready to learn. So many need better scaffolding. #lrnchat
08:57:57 pm SenseMakey: Arriving late to #lrnchat due to spending time with friends. :) #lrnchat
08:58:19 pm stevier: @gminks Not if they’re not already pretty independent learners, I wouldn’t think. #lrnchat
08:58:25 pm JaneBozarth: @tracy_parish did nice article on MOOCs from learner perspective http://t.co/wRGZ7O7w #lrnchat
08:58:33 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: @tracy_parish did nice article on MOOCs from learner perspective http://t.co/wRGZ7O7w #lrnchat
08:58:37 pm AlisonSeaman: @gminks I don’t see why not. I think the Peeragogy project is working on something along these lines. #lrnchat
08:58:41 pm ryantracey: Excellent question – RT @gminks: So many need better scaffolding. <can that be designed into the MOOC? #lrnchat
08:59:06 pm gminks: @FemmeTeacher what if a MOOC could be designed to spark interest in what they have to learn? #Lrnchat
08:59:10 pm briandusablon: RT @JaneBozarth: @tracy_parish did nice article on MOOCs from learner perspective http://t.co/0sAK7AkA #lrnchat
08:59:15 pm ActivateLearn: @lrnchat A2) in all honesty, never thought I’d finish it but was pleasantly surprised at content and what I could use in my work #lrnchat
08:59:17 pm lewismal: A2 Also in MOOCS I encountered some awesomely good learners who modeled their learning methods #lrnchat
08:59:18 pm stevier: I’d like to see a MOOC combined with a mentoring system for remedial learners. THAT might be something. #lrnchat
08:59:21 pm AlisonSeaman: @LnDDave Plus, the ability to self-direct was refreshing. #lrnchat
08:59:28 pm sparkandco: RT @LnDDave: A2) I’ve tried MOOCs, but have not yet seen one all the way through. Somehow it lacks a hook for me. #lrnchat
08:59:37 pm kelly_smith01: RT @JaneBozarth: @tracy_parish did nice article on MOOCs from learner perspective http://t.co/wRGZ7O7w #lrnchat
08:59:46 pm Dave_Ferguson: In theory couldn’t anything be designed into a MOOC? Doesn’t mean folks’ll use it, but it’s avail. Like tuition reimb at work. #lrnchat
08:59:54 pm Quinnovator: RT @gminks: So many need better scaffolding. <can that be designed into the MOOC? #Lrnchat < I’d say yes xM wrap w/ discussion, cM add goals
08:59:56 pm gminks: @stevier but maybe designing the help they need would sorts be like teaching them to fish? #Lrnchat
09:00:09 pm SenseMakey: Wishing @IvonGonzalez7 was here for #lrnchat since the topic is MOOCs. #lrnchat
09:00:09 pm LnDDave: @lewismal @AlisonSeaman Interesting. Thanks! #lrnchat
09:00:15 pm JaneBozarth: @jsteeveslepage I wasn’t talking about that. I meant learner inclusion, connectedness. See subsequent tweets. #lrnchat
09:00:26 pm AlisonSeaman: @stevier There are models with informal mentors. The one I know best: http://t.co/SJA9auGo #lrnchat
09:00:30 pm gminks: @AlisonSeaman I haven’t heard of that project…whatis it? #Lrnchat
09:00:43 pm lewismal: @LnDDave No need to see a cMOOC all the way thru – Take what you want, put back what you can. #lrnchat
09:00:54 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks I understand you can choose to learn about how to fish from people who teach how to fish. #lrnchat
09:01:11 pm gminks: RT @stevier: Id like to see a MOOC combined with a mentoring system for remedial learners. THAT might be something. < yeah! #Lrnchat
09:01:40 pm AndrewKerr11: @lrnchat I think that MOOCs only draw a crowd if they have an expensive Ivy brand (MIT) – who wants to take one from NW Tech State? #lrnchat
09:01:46 pm kelly_smith01: How much “control” does the learner have in a MOOC (I will read the elearn article later).#lrnchat
09:01:48 pm equusnyder: So sorry to be missing #lrnchat tonight. :( >> blogging
09:01:52 pm gminks: @Dave_Ferguson Haha wouldnt you want to learn how to fish from people who catch lots of fish? #Lrnchat
09:02:27 pm lrnchat: Q3) What are the advantages of MOOCs? What are the disadvantages? #lrnchat
09:02:29 pm Quinnovator: @kelly_smith01 depends on the MOOC: xM not much, cM too much :) #lrnchat
09:02:39 pm FemmeTeacher: @gminks In what way? #lrnchat
09:02:55 pm aangeli: @JaneBozarth well that’s not very fair. How do you manage things like inclusion and special needs with MOOC? #lrnchat
09:03:05 pm briandusablon: @yinbk not just adult learners. #lrnchat
09:03:09 pm lewismal: @kelly_smith01 Whenever anyone who a learnt a little shares it with another learner that is mentoring Mooc style. #lrnchat
09:03:19 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks Not necessarily. They may not be good at articulating what they do nor at letting me try stuff w/ useful FB. #lrnchat
09:03:36 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) What are the advantages of MOOCs? What are the disadvantages? #lrnchat
09:03:46 pm AlisonSeaman: @Quinnovator Agree. I made this in the summer as a starting point… https://t.co/9qjq0k8U (for anyone to use) #lrnchat
09:03:53 pm lodtrain: #lrnchat Q2) Reading Is higher education ready for rapid evolution of xMOOCs http://t.co/xdVWomjM
09:03:55 pm briandusablon: @yinbk agreed on presentation format – wonder if planners/designers are paying attention to the audience. #usability #accessibility #lrnchat
09:04:15 pm Quinnovator: a3) advantages: scale: reaching everywhere the internet goes: (current) disadvantages: incomplete pedagogies #lrnchat
09:04:17 pm lewismal: A3 @lrnchat Moocs cheap in $ but can be expensive in time if you get hooked by the learning. #lrnchat
09:04:23 pm stevier: Q3) Advantages: Scalability, openness, cost to learners. Disadvantages: Poor pedagogy, lack of financial model, cost to inst. #lrnchat
09:04:37 pm gminks: @FemmeTeacher idk just thinking aBt my kids…they loved learning gaming and comic books….hated algebra can they be combined? #Lrnchat
09:04:57 pm JaneBozarth: @aangeli good question.

Will ask @briandusablon to chime in #lrnchat
09:05:11 pm AlisonSeaman: @gminks handbook for “self-organized self-learners” http://t.co/4bpaijHi #lrnchat
09:05:22 pm lewismal: Good Moocs become ongoing learning communities #lrnchat
09:05:34 pm stevier: SO ON! RT @Quinnovator: a3) advantages: scale: reaching everywhere internet goes: (current) disadvantages: incomplete pedagogies #lrnchat
09:05:42 pm gminks: Advantages: access to content and expert learners. Disadvantages: real world responsibilities #Lrnchat
09:05:43 pm Dave_Ferguson: @gminks Diff may be that gaming / comics seemed to have a purpose. Algebra is just good for you, like they say tofu is. #lrnchat
09:06:32 pm AlisonSeaman: RT @lewismal: Good Moocs become ongoing learning communities #lrnchat
09:06:47 pm Quinnovator: RT @AlisonSeaman: @Quinnovator Agree. made this as a starting point… https://t.co/8ER2iOBU #lrnchat < you did that graphic? Nice! #lrnchat
09:06:58 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Quinnovator: a3) advantages: scale: reaching everywhere the internet goes: (current) disadvantages: incomplete pedagogies #lrnchat
09:07:11 pm kelly_smith01: RT @gminks: Advantages: access to content and expert learners. Disadvantages: real world responsibilities #Lrnchat
09:07:29 pm LnDDave: RT @AlisonSeaman: RT @lewismal: Good Moocs become ongoing learning communities #lrnchat
09:07:30 pm stevier: Q3) BIG disadvantage: 30% completion rate. And completion does not equal achievement. #lrnchat
09:07:37 pm kelly_smith01: RT @lewismal: Good Moocs become ongoing learning communities #lrnchat
09:07:38 pm gminks: @Dave_Ferguson Son read comics cuz he hated reading. Gaming is lots of math…. #Lrnchat
09:07:39 pm briandusablon: @JaneBozarth @aangeli That’s my question, too. How do you design a MOOC to be inclusive? #lrnchat
09:07:52 pm LnDDave: RT @stevier: Q3) BIG disadvantage: 30% completion rate. And completion does not equal achievement. #lrnchat
09:07:55 pm lodtrain: RT @AlisonSeaman: RT @lewismal: Good Moocs become ongoing learning communities #lrnchat
09:07:58 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson @gminks the old ‘exercise for the mind’ (but algebra *can* be useful :) #lrnchat
09:07:59 pm AlisonSeaman: @Quinnovator I wish! I can’t recall the author (shld say) but it’s Creative Commons licensed… :) #lrnchat
09:08:01 pm JaneBozarth: RT @stevier: Q3) BIG disadvantage: 30% completion rate. And completion does not equal achievement. #lrnchat
09:08:07 pm briandusablon: @JaneBozarth @aangeli asked earlier if anyone had any feedback or info on accessibility issues with MOOCs – so far, no response. #lrnchat
09:08:43 pm reubentozman: Good evening lrnchat. Reuben Tozman here. What’s on the plate? #lrnchat
09:08:45 pm ryantracey: @stevier On the flip side, non-completion does not equal non-achievement. #lrnchat
09:08:56 pm aangeli: @stevier maybe MOOC should be seen as a supplement and not a solution? #lrnchat
09:09:00 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator I agree, it CAN be useful. Has not been my experience, generally. #lrnchat
09:09:03 pm stevier: @briandusablon @JaneBozarth @aangeli I haven’t looked for accessibility in particular; but I will now. #lrnchat
09:09:04 pm Quinnovator: @briandusablon @JaneBozarth @aangeli how do you design learning experience to be inclusive? low barrier to entry, ongoing support… #lrnchat
09:09:18 pm SenseMakey: @reubentozman MOOCs… #lrnchat
09:09:24 pm briandusablon: Q3) I want data on MOOCs, but not about completion or achievement, about behavior change or performance metrics. Where’s that? #lrnchat
09:09:29 pm ActivateLearn: @lrnchat A3) To my boss, he liked they were FREE so he doesn’t have to pay for prof dev of his staff. He’s asked us all to sign on #lrnchat
09:09:32 pm stevier: @ryantracey Indeed. But if I’m an accrediting inst, I need data. #lrnchat
09:09:38 pm kellybrannock: RT @lrnchat: Join us for #lrnchat tonight at 8:30pm EST / 5:30pm PST. We’re exploring MOOCs and other ways education impacts workplace learning.
09:09:40 pm stevier: @aangeli Entirely possible! #lrnchat
09:09:49 pm lewismal: A3 I don’t think completion rates matter with MOOCs, any more than getting out a library book & not reading it past chapter 1 #lrnchat
09:09:59 pm FemmeTeacher: @gminks For intrinsically motivated kids who are independent learners, I think so. MOOCs assume students have a certain skill level #lrnchat
09:10:01 pm LnDDave: RT @JaneBozarth: @tracy_parish did nice article on MOOCs from learner perspective http://t.co/6YSy2TkP #lrnchat
09:10:07 pm stevier: @ActivateLearn …and what data does he plan to use to measure outcomes? #lrnchat
09:10:11 pm ryantracey: @stevier Ah, that’s another story! #lrnchat
09:10:26 pm Dave_Ferguson: @ActivateLearn Oh, yes, orgs love stuff they don’t have to pay for. Unless it’s on work time. #lrnchat
09:10:31 pm melsgilbert: @LnDDave Same here… #lrnchat
09:10:46 pm ActivateLearn: A3) For me, you only get out of it what you want to get out of it. It was right time, right place, right content, right application #lrnchat
09:10:48 pm lewismal: @briandusablon Mooc learning goals are individual & emergent. U learn stuff you did know you wanted to know. #lrnchat
09:10:59 pm kelly_smith01: I think MOOCs open many opportunities for engaging in collaborating relationships for learning. #LRNCHAT
09:11:09 pm AndrewKerr11: #lrnchat – MOOC can connect expert instructors to those who can’t afford in-person Dis: little accountability, lost in crowd, poor design
09:11:14 pm FemmeTeacher: @gminks If a student can read and interpret information, follow directions, think critically and problem solve on their own – great #lrnchat
09:11:18 pm AlisonSeaman: @stevier Syllabus for my class/recordings/other stuff is available at http://t.co/SJA9auGo #lrnchat
09:11:38 pm FemmeTeacher: @gminks Unfortunately, a growing number of American kids can’t do that :-( #lrnchat
09:11:52 pm ActivateLearn: @Dave_Ferguson He’s asked we all do the MOOC on eLearning courses so whole team is signed on in January to do it together.#lrnchat
09:11:54 pm LnDDave: RT @kelly_smith01: I think MOOCs open many opportunities for engaging in collaborating relationships for learning. #LRNCHAT
09:12:06 pm AlisonSeaman: Yes. Like #e20 RT @kelly_smith01: I think MOOCs open many opportunities for engaging in collaborating relationships for learning. #lrnchat
09:12:10 pm Quinnovator: @LearnGeo reckon content should support motivation (e.g. relevance), but I don’t assume self-effective learners (wish I could!) #lrnchat
09:12:14 pm briandusablon: @lewismal Learning stuff is one thing. I don’t care so much about the learning. I care about behavior or performance change. #lrnchat
09:12:21 pm gminks: @FemmeTeacher I guess I’m thinking….why not take the MOOC to Halo or Call of Duty? #Lrnchat
09:12:45 pm briandusablon: @lewismal How do I know the stuff you learned that you didn’t know you wanted to know is of any value? #lrnchat
09:12:53 pm Dave_Ferguson: @ActivateLearn Oh, missed that context and gave in to sniping at bosses in general. ;-)
#lrnchat
09:13:20 pm FemmeTeacher: @gminks I hear you, and for highly functioning kids that could work. Struggling students would be left at a greater disadvantage. #lrnchat
09:13:28 pm briandusablon: @gminks then you’d end up as Massively Open Online Casualties, but at least you can respawn. #lrnchat
09:13:35 pm DavidnProgress: RT @lrnchat: Q2) Have you tried a MOOC? What has your experience been? If you’ve never tried one, what have you heard about them? #lrnchat
09:13:53 pm nyunkiatauss: MT @ActivateLearn: on MOOCs: you only get out what you want to get out of it. Right time, place, content, application #lrnchat
09:13:58 pm AlisonSeaman: MT @Quinnovator:reckon content shld support motivation (e.g. relevance), but I dont assume self-effective learners (wish I cld!) #lrnchat
09:14:13 pm Dave_Ferguson: @briandusablon I think range of defs /contexts for “MOOC” is pretty broad, but most prob don’t fit into “perf improve in an org” #lrnchat
09:14:24 pm LnDDave: RT @briandusablon: @gminks then you’d end up as Massively Open Online Casualties, but at least you can respawn. #lrnchat
09:14:27 pm lrnchat: Q4) How can MOOCs impact or influence workplace learning? #lrnchat
09:14:33 pm melsgilbert: A3) Advantage- availability Disadvantage- accountability #lrnchat
09:14:41 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How can MOOCs impact or influence workplace learning? #lrnchat
09:14:46 pm gminks: @FemmeTeacher Guess its coming from my experience w. my kids, if I could tie stuff they loved to the boring stuff, they did better #Lrnchat
09:14:48 pm lewismal: @briandusablon U don’t know it is of value- I do – Thats the point- I know I got stuff that matters to me that expanded my capacity #lrnchat
09:14:52 pm ActivateLearn: @stevier A3) Not an issue for him as he wants his team to learn & experience new ways of learning – it’s broadening awareness #lrnchat
09:15:01 pm gminks: RT @briandusablon: @gminks then youd end up as Massively Open Online Casualties, but at least you can respawn. <haha #Lrnchat
09:15:26 pm stevier: @ActivateLearn As long as it’s not to just cut the training budget, cool. #lrnchat
09:15:29 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat #cMOOCs: They build capacity for a level of comfort with networked/social learning. #lrnchat
09:15:42 pm lewismal: @briandusablon What business is it of your what I learn in MOOCs. It was free. #lrnchat
09:15:53 pm Dave_Ferguson: RT @melsgilbert: Advantage- availability Disadvantage- accountability [re MOOCs] #lrnchat
09:16:01 pm gminks: Q4 I think MOOCs. Old just organize who techies already learn, & give everyone the chance to get the inside scoop #Lrnchat
09:16:05 pm DavidnProgress: In a way much of our online learning is a MOOC. 12,000+ call center employees all learning same content same time #lrnchat
09:16:14 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How can MOOCs impact or influence workplace learning? #lrnchat
09:16:15 pm SparkyTeaching: Dear #lrnchat We’d love some sparky US classes to take part in our daily #365things to make you go “Hmmm” Come on over! http://t.co/Ow01Hmqz
09:16:19 pm LnDDave: A4) MOOCs provide another avenue for organizational learning professionals to not reinvent the wheel. #lrnchat
09:16:39 pm FemmeTeacher: @gminks But did they do better because they understood something new or because something they already understood bcame less boring?#lrnchat
09:16:39 pm lewismal: @briandusablon Also How do u know stuff people learn in anything changed their capacities, behavior ect? #lrnchat
09:16:40 pm LnDDave: RT @Dave_Ferguson: RT @melsgilbert: Advantage- availability Disadvantage- accountability [re MOOCs] #lrnchat
09:16:48 pm gminks: RT @LnDDave: A4) MOOCs provide another avenue for organizational learning professionals to not reinvent the wheel. #Lrnchat
09:16:55 pm Quinnovator: RT @LnDDave: A4) MOOCs provide another avenue for org learning professionals to not reinvent the wheel. #lrnchat < to the contrary
09:17:05 pm ActivateLearn: @stevier A3). Um….I’m not going to answer that but you know answer for this. It’s happening in the workplace.I cannot deny this. #lrnchat
09:17:12 pm stevier: @lewismal I think @briandusablon was thinking about MOOCs as a training strategy. Then it’s def their business. Q4 #lrnchat
09:17:20 pm briandusablon: @lewismal data #lrnchat
09:17:36 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat Networks: How orgs learn continuously, maintain competitive edge, etc. #lrnchat
09:17:37 pm kelly_smith01: Q4) Hope MOOC engages at or near place of performance near the time of performance. #lrnchat
09:17:42 pm LearnGeo: @Quinnovator I start MOOCs and love them at first, without relevancy I am out within two weeks. Teachers lose interest too #yikes! #lrnchat
09:17:45 pm melsgilbert: I’m behind… A2) tried one recently on Google searching. Also jumped on the Udemy app last week and found some interesting reads. #lrnchat
09:17:46 pm ryantracey: RT @LnDDave: A4) MOOCs provide another avenue for organizational learning professionals to not reinvent the wheel. #lrnchat
09:17:47 pm lewismal: A4 Moocs are still an emergent form, their biggest impacts are yet to emerge. #lrnchat
09:17:54 pm LnDDave: A4) Workplace learning can learn a great deal from the openness found in MOOC environments. #lrnchat
09:17:57 pm JaneBozarth: @Dave_Ferguson @briandusablon lot’s of mixing ‘education’ and ‘workplace’ terms tonight. They’re very different worlds. #lrnchat
09:18:05 pm gminks: RT @AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat Networks: How orgs learn continuously, maintain competitive edge, etc. #Lrnchat
09:18:09 pm aangeli: @Quinnovator @briandusablon @janebozarth inclusion is about asking ‘is it different?’ and ‘is it extra?’ SEN need both #lrnchat
09:18:14 pm LnDDave: RT @JaneBozarth: @Dave_Ferguson @briandusablon lot’s of mixing ‘education’ and ‘workplace’ terms tonight. They’re different worlds. #lrnchat
09:18:16 pm gminks: RT @kelly_smith01: Q4) Hope MOOC engages at or near place of performance near the time of performance. #Lrnchat
09:18:28 pm ActivateLearn: @stevier Our budget gets smaller every year so we use every opportunity for professional development through all media and PLNs #lrnchat
09:18:32 pm lodtrain: #lrnchat Q4) Examples like TED Talks, Kahn Academy can influence workplace learning by a flipped approach
09:18:36 pm Quinnovator: a4) can provide opp to think outside box, can serve as (bad) example of pedagogy #lrnchat
09:18:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: @janebozarth Yeah, I’d noticed that too. Me, I’m a workplace guy. All educationed up. #lrnchat
09:18:47 pm lewismal: @stevier Only their business if they pay time for student to do a mooc- #lrnchat
09:18:49 pm JaneBozarth: and of course I meant “lots” #lrnchat
09:19:00 pm melsgilbert: @briandusablon There is no spoon… #lrnchat
09:19:04 pm AlisonSeaman: @ActivateLearn That’s awesome. #lrnchat
09:19:05 pm briandusablon: @JaneBozarth @Dave_Ferguson but still performance-related. In school, it’s scores, goals. In job, it’s about business metrics. #lrnchat
09:19:09 pm ActivateLearn: RT @lrnchat: Q4) How can MOOCs impact or influence workplace learning? #lrnchat
09:19:12 pm lewismal: @briandusablon What sort of data? #lrnchat
09:19:43 pm AlisonSeaman: @JaneBozarth Sorry. I’m half in both worlds. :) #lrnchat
09:19:44 pm briandusablon: RT @melsgilbert: There is no spoon… #lrnchat
09:19:56 pm JaneBozarth: @briandusablon worlds collide tonight #EducationIsntTraining #lrnchat
09:19:57 pm stevier: HA! RT @melsgilbert: @briandusablon There is no spoon… #lrnchat
09:20:15 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth @Dave_Ferguson @briandusablon but learning can unite them (and in the darkness bind them) #lrnchat
09:20:20 pm briandusablon: Q4) MOOC could be useful as new employee onboarding/orientation, no? #lrnchat
09:20:26 pm stevier: RT @Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth @Dave_Ferguson @briandusablon but learning can unite them (and in the darkness bind them) #lrnchat
09:20:29 pm ActivateLearn: A4) I did Gamification course with colleague @NBLearning and we shared our tips, experiences, work. It was a great collaboration. #lrnchat
09:20:31 pm LnDDave: A4) MOOCs don’t really care what resource you learned from; workplace learning tends to require set learning path. #lrnchat
09:20:39 pm Maha9313: RT @JaneBozarth: Will be doing/leading a MOOC 2013, concerned about many complaints re learner participation issues #lrnchat
09:20:40 pm Dave_Ferguson: If business metrics were actually tied to performance, there’d never have been the Chrysler / Daimler merger. #lrnchat
09:20:44 pm JaneBozarth: @lewismal It matters a lot to boss who’s giving me time to do it. It’s not “free”. #lrnchat
09:20:45 pm LnDDave: RT @briandusablon: Q4) MOOC could be useful as new employee onboarding/orientation, no? #lrnchat
09:20:51 pm lewismal: @briandusablon Just cause someone passed a test & has a bit of paper it does not mean they did anything of long term learning value #lrnchat
09:21:10 pm DavidnProgress: RT @LnDDave: A4) MOOCs don’t really care what resource you learned from; workplace learning tends to require set learning path. #lrnchat
09:21:32 pm lodtrain: @Quinnovator @janebozarth @dave_ferguson @briandusablon #lrnchat both worlds can coexist – Workplace learning and workplace development educ
09:21:37 pm JaneBozarth: @lewismal performance outcomes. Business results. Cost savings. Accident rate reductions. Rework reductions. Increased sales.
#lrnchat
09:21:55 pm ryantracey: I think the current range of MOOCs is still too small to be universally useful for the workplace. Lots of scope yet. #lrnchat
09:21:57 pm AlisonSeaman: @LnDDave Yes, so long as the org culture supportive of what was learned (following the onboarding). #lrnchat
09:22:10 pm briandusablon: @lewismal right. I don’t care about test scores. I don’t care about achievement. I care about meaningful data… #lrnchat
09:22:23 pm Quinnovator: xMOOCs don’t help you into CoP, needed for both education and workplace #lrnchat
09:22:24 pm Dave_Ferguson: @lewismal Many (most?) in this chat deal with learning in the workplace rather than in formal or informal ed. Hence my POV, e.g. #lrnchat
09:22:29 pm AlisonSeaman: MT @JaneBozarth: performance outcomes. Business results. Cost savings. Accident rate reductions. Rework reductions. Increased sales #lrnchat
09:22:32 pm briandusablon: Yes. RT @JaneBozarth: @lewismal performance outcomes. Business results. Cost savings. Accident rate reductions. Increased sales. #lrnchat
09:23:07 pm lewismal: @JaneBozarth Hard to get data about – dollar cost of thinking in new ways- leading to better problem solving & innovation. #lrnchat
09:23:21 pm gdochuk: @briandusablon How so? #lrnchat
09:23:25 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: xMOOCs dont help you into CoP, needed for both education and workplace #Lrnchat
09:23:30 pm ActivateLearn: A4) What I learned on Gamification MOOC on Coursera, I wrote about here. http://t.co/8fmo3hLK #lrnchat
09:23:41 pm JaneBozarth: @lewismal exactly. Why we don’t give tests/paper and assume performance improvement. #lrnchat
09:23:56 pm Quinnovator: think we worry about distinction between education and workplace too much, they need to borrow from each other #lrnchat
09:23:58 pm briandusablon: RT @JaneBozarth: @lewismal It matters a lot to boss who’s giving me time to do it. It’s not “free”. #lrnchat
09:24:06 pm AlisonSeaman: @lewismal Employee engagement re: working cooperatively? #lrnchat
09:24:27 pm JaneBozarth: @lewismal we don’t want to measure ‘thinking’. we want to measure results. It can be done.

#lrnchat
09:24:39 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Only if we can give back all the flipping corporate universities. #lrnchat
09:24:56 pm DavidnProgress: A4) Workplace can learn pushing out learning for more interaction and effectiveness. Can help build culture #lrnchat
09:25:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: @lewismal we don’t want to measure ‘thinking’. we want to measure results. It can be done.

#lrnchat
09:25:17 pm LnDDave: RT @JaneBozarth: @lewismal we don’t want to measure ‘thinking’. we want to measure results. It can be done.

#lrnchat
09:25:18 pm JaneBozarth: @lewismal with performance metrics. That’s what we DO. #lrnchat
09:25:20 pm gminks: RT @Quinnovator: think we worry about distinction between education and workplace too much, they need to borrow from each other #Lrnchat
09:25:25 pm AlisonSeaman: @JaneBozarth Corporate Learning Council say they’ve identified 10 network competencies that can increase network perf ~16%. #lrnchat
09:25:26 pm Quinnovator: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Only if we can give back all the flipping corporate universities. #lrnchat
09:25:42 pm lewismal: @JaneBozarth But v heard to measure emergent learning that drives innovation. No baseline can be collected. #lrnchat
09:25:57 pm melsgilbert: #lrnchat @JaneBozarth’s “Show Your Work” is where I think MOOCs could have an advantage. Less “traditional classwork” more demonstration.
09:26:08 pm gminks: @Quinnovator I think big corps realize that too.. #Lrnchat
09:26:16 pm briandusablon: @gdochuk new employee in the MOOC has access to company mentors, trainers, experts, shares, learns…interacts with other noobs. #lrnchat
09:26:20 pm lrnchat: Q5) What’s the flipped classroom and why should workplace learning care? #lrnchat
09:26:22 pm Quinnovator: @lewismal @JaneBozarth um, measure the innovation delta? #lrnchat
09:26:27 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What’s the flipped classroom and why should workplace learning care? #lrnchat
09:26:36 pm JaneBozarth: @melsgilbert :-) #lrnchat
09:26:40 pm briandusablon: WORD! RT @JaneBozarth: @lewismal we dont want to measure thinking. we want to measure results. It can be done. #lrnchat
09:26:40 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What’s the flipped classroom and why should workplace learning care? #lrnchat
09:26:47 pm lewismal: @JaneBozarth But after gr8 learning performance may drop as rethinking & experimentation happens before big leap in productivity. #lrnchat
09:27:12 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator @lewismal srsly #lrnchat
09:27:38 pm ActivateLearn: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What’s the flipped classroom and why should workplace learning care? #lrnchat
09:27:57 pm lewismal: @Quinnovator What is innovation delta? #lrnchat
09:28:08 pm lodtrain: #lrnchat Q5) Flipped classroom for workplace allows folks to get the overview or other key points self directed and then attend F2F or VILT
09:28:20 pm LnDDave: A5) Flipped Classroom: Don’t waste classroom time on lecture. Why workplaces should care? We lecture in classrooms. A LOT. #lrnchat
09:28:25 pm Quinnovator: a5) flipped=doing concept dump *outside* class, doing meaningful practice *in* class; better distribution of task to channel #Lrnchat
09:28:38 pm ActivateLearn: A5) Used flip to teach Product Knowledge to mortgage teams recently. They LOVED it.They created the videos, scenarios, own learning #lrnchat
09:28:55 pm melsgilbert: A5) How we should’ve been doing it all along. #lrnchat
09:28:57 pm DavidnProgress: Q5) Student does the work on their own and returns to class only to demonstrate learning/discuss/colaborate #lrnchat
09:29:05 pm JaneBozarth: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Only if we can give back all the flipping corporate universities. #lrnchat
09:29:12 pm Quinnovator: @lewismal change in innovation output from intervention group versus control or baseline #lrnchat
09:29:15 pm Dave_Ferguson: Flipped classroom pro/con post from Edutopia: http://t.co/j5ygphLR #lrnchat
09:29:18 pm lodtrain: Q5) #lrnchat FLipped huge time saver during the workday, have 3 hr courses with flipped to cover overviews…
09:29:26 pm ryantracey: Q5) The workplace should care because the lecture isn’t the value-add. It’s the discussion, Q&A, worked examples, role plays etc. #lrnchat
09:29:32 pm LnDDave: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Flipped classroom pro/con post from Edutopia: http://t.co/j5ygphLR #lrnchat
09:29:43 pm stevier: Q5) Because flipped classrooms make better use of everyone’s time. Let the web do what it does. Use people time for people stuff! #lrnchat
09:30:03 pm briandusablon: RT @LnDDave: A5) Flipped Classroom: Dont waste class time on lecture. Why workplaces should care? We lecture in classrooms. A LOT. #lrnchat
09:30:16 pm melsgilbert: @LnDDave But I SO LOVE to hear myself talk… and all those folks are FORCED to listen to me #lrnchat
09:30:19 pm DavidnProgress: We have a high school here trying flipped learning. I spoke with several students and not one said like it #Lrnchat
09:30:22 pm LnDDave: A5) A flipped model would reduce the amount of time workers needs to attend offsite training. #lrnchat
09:30:37 pm ActivateLearn: A5) Thru researching products, learners created scenarios,scripted&taped them.SME gave details of products.Had fun, learning stuck. #lrnchat
09:30:40 pm AlisonSeaman: Interesting! RT @Quinnovator: @lewismal change in innovation output from intervention group versus control or baseline #lrnchat
09:30:55 pm stevier: Q5) The reason lecture prevails is because it’s active learning for the instructor. They’re the only one doing/learning anything. #lrnchat
09:30:59 pm LnDDave: RT @melsgilbert: @LnDDave But I SO LOVE to hear myself talk… #lrnchat < I suspect that’s actually a big part of the problem.
09:31:02 pm briandusablon: RT @Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Only if we can give back all the flipping corporate universities. #lrnchat
09:31:18 pm gminks: @FemmeTeacher understood something better #lrnchat
09:31:19 pm Dave_Ferguson: At preso for CSTD conf in Toronto last month, I surprised myself w/ how well my session went w/o my EXPLAINING everything. #lrnchat
09:32:01 pm lewismal: @Quinnovator Learning happens in complex adaptive systems – RTCs will show misleading innovation deltas #lrnchat
09:32:27 pm ActivateLearn: A5) Now they come up to me to borrow tripods, flip cameras etc they WANT to create their own podcasts. Team Leader ecstatic. #lrnchat
09:32:31 pm briandusablon: @Dave_Ferguson @lewismal @janebozarth I’d like to talk more about the similarities instead of differences. Already done? #lrnchat
09:32:32 pm AlisonSeaman: @gdochuk The mode of learning becomes ingrained in work practices. There’s largely no real structure in that either, I’d say. #lrnchat
09:32:49 pm FionaQuigs: listening to #lrnchat from late night Ireland, some interesting thoughts tonight!
09:32:50 pm Dave_Ferguson: @stevier I’ve had a professor or two for whom lecture seemed to be neither learning nor active. #lrnchat
09:33:08 pm stevier: @Dave_Ferguson OOoohhhh. That’s deadly. #lrnchat
09:33:20 pm ActivateLearn: @Dave_Ferguson He he he…. (chuckling) #lrnchat
09:33:43 pm briandusablon: @gdochuk Less structure is a good thing, especially in the corporate world. #lrnchat
09:34:24 pm LnDDave: RT @briandusablon: @gdochuk Less structure is a good thing, especially in the corporate world. #lrnchat < BLASPHEMY!!!! (and true)
09:34:36 pm ActivateLearn: @lodtrain I’m really happy.I’m seeing teams take charge of learning but they don’t see it as learning. Team Leader and I do though #lrnchat
09:34:50 pm DavidnProgress: Here is a nice resource about flipped learning #lrnchat http://t.co/1D5GpDzC
09:35:06 pm stevier: @ActivateLearn But how is class time used? If it’s still lecture, it’s not “flipped.” #lrnchat
09:35:17 pm gminks: RT @LnDDave: RT @briandusablon: @gdochuk Less structure is a good thing, esp in the corp world. #lrnchat < BLASPHEMY!!!! (and true) #Lrnchat
09:35:18 pm AlisonSeaman: @ActivateLearn That is so amazing. Sorry, had to say that again. #lrnchat
09:36:10 pm LnDDave: A5) Workplace learning should care about academia because academia has a lot to do with what’s wrong with workplace learning. #lrnchat
09:36:13 pm melsgilbert: RT @stevier: @ActivateLearn But how is class time used? If it’s still lecture, it’s not “flipped.” #lrnchat
09:36:31 pm DavidnProgress: A5) Flipped could be an issue with non-exempt (hourly) employees as this still needs to happen within confines #lrnchat
09:36:43 pm LnDDave: RT @DavidnProgress: Here is a nice resource about flipped learning #lrnchat http://t.co/1D5GpDzC
09:37:03 pm Dave_Ferguson: How I (tried) to let people learn by learning: http://t.co/6TvX7snF
#lrnchat
09:37:39 pm ActivateLearn: @lodtrain See? I got a couple of phone calls from other parts of business who heard what we were doing and wanted in on it too! #lrnchat
09:37:40 pm JaneBozarth: @LnDDave I care about it in sense that I want to move workplace training as far away from academia as possible. Does that count? #lrnchat
09:37:53 pm AlisonSeaman: @ActivateLearn Cool. Lots of sharing resulted? #lrnchat
09:38:25 pm lrnchat: Q6) What other changes in the world of education do you feel may impact workplace learning? #lrnchat
09:38:27 pm ActivateLearn: @Dave_Ferguson True! But it was FUN work. Much rather do a podcast than write a Facilitator Guide for yet another classroom. Yawn,. #lrnchat
09:38:44 pm LnDDave: RT @JaneBozarth: … I want to move workplace training as far away from academia as possible. Does that count? #lrnchat <Hell’s yeah it does
09:39:05 pm briandusablon: @JaneBozarth that most definitely counts. #lrnchat
09:39:13 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth @LnDDave would like workplace ‘training’ to add concept (‘good stuff’ from academia, and academia to add more context #lrnchat
09:39:14 pm Dave_Ferguson: @ActivateLearn You are demoing what Bear Bryant said re “motivation & shit” — WINNING (= OTJ success) motivates my boys. #lrnchat
09:39:27 pm ActivateLearn: @AlisonSeaman Huge.Now rolling it across business. I had a meeting today with another part of business who want to do same #lrnchat
09:39:30 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q6) What other changes in the world of education do you feel may impact workplace learning? #lrnchat
09:39:43 pm kelly_smith01: RT @LnDDave: RT @JaneBozarth: … I want to move workplace training as far away from academia as possible. Does that count? #lrnchat <Yeusss
09:39:58 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: Q6) What other changes in the world of education do you feel may impact workplace learning? #lrnchat
09:40:04 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat Other forms of accreditation: Badges based on skills being one that comes to mind. #lrnchat
09:40:06 pm JaneBozarth: Problem with flipped as most define it is that it still includes ‘lecture’ in some form #lrnchat
09:40:19 pm lewismal: Q6 Mobile devices and social media web20 tools, faster pace of change and need to keep innovation rate high. #lrnchat
09:40:29 pm ActivateLearn: @AlisonSeaman The other thing is that it allows people to be creative. They take charge,they brainstorm,they create.Vibe is superb #lrnchat
09:40:30 pm Quinnovator: a6) move to activity-based, problem-based #lrnchat
09:40:41 pm lodtrain: Q6) #lrnchat More informal learning. Informal with videos (flip), social learning (backchannel)
09:40:53 pm Quinnovator: a6) social playing a bigger role #lrnchat
09:41:11 pm AlisonSeaman: @ActivateLearn Fantastic. #lrnchat
09:41:20 pm Dave_Ferguson: Is persistence of lecture belief (by lecturer & higher-ups) that otherwise no sane person would ever listen to this? #lrnchat
09:41:38 pm ActivateLearn: @Dave_Ferguson Yes! And not a classroom in sight! #lrnchat
09:41:42 pm LnDDave: A6) I see questions being asked about assumptions we make about the effectiveness of college education. We should be listening. #lrnchat
09:41:52 pm kelly_smith01: The life span of any “lesson” will demand more innovation and abandonment of classrooms and other norms. #lrnchat
09:41:53 pm AlisonSeaman: Oh, yes + social. I saw your post yesterday & Jay’s today. Great stuff! RT @Quinnovator: a6) move to activity-based, problem-based #lrnchat
09:41:55 pm melsgilbert: A6) We are going to be getting a whole new load of “learners” in the workplace that are used to IEPs and hand-holding #lrnchat
09:42:02 pm LnDDave: RT @JaneBozarth: Problem with flipped as most define it is that it still includes ‘lecture’ in some form #lrnchat
09:42:10 pm LnDDave: RT @Quinnovator: a6) move to activity-based, problem-based #lrnchat
09:42:31 pm briandusablon: RT @LnDDave: A6) questions being asked about assumptions about the effectiveness of college education. We should be listening. #lrnchat
09:42:49 pm okcscouter: Q6) Education needs to change. Too much re-training required.Lack critical thinking/writing skills/team skills #lrnchat
09:42:57 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Quinnovator: a6) move to activity-based, problem-based #lrnchat
09:43:01 pm AlisonSeaman: Wondered abt that RT @LnDDave: RT @JaneBozarth: Problem w flipped as most define it is that it still includes lecture in some form #lrnchat
09:43:08 pm ryantracey: I agree with mobile and social, though I’d challenge whether either stem from “the world of education”. #lrnchat
09:43:14 pm Quinnovator: a6) focus on 21st century/meta-learning skills #lrnchat
09:43:23 pm melsgilbert: A6) We will also see a new group of folks that are as fed up with “training” as we are – that want to learn on their own. #lrnchat
09:43:32 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat RT @okcscouter: Q6) Ed needs to change. Too much re-training required.Lack critical thinking/writing skills/team skills #lrnchat
09:43:41 pm LnDDave: A6) The fact that most people can not afford the education that is required to get the job in the first place? #lrnchat
09:43:44 pm briandusablon: Q6) The reason I want my kids to go to college is more about the experience than the learning. How can we make work the same? #lrnchat
09:43:47 pm AlisonSeaman: :D RT @Quinnovator: a6) focus on 21st century/meta-learning skills #lrnchat
09:43:59 pm AnnieMOnline: RT @JaneBozarth: @tracy_parish did nice article on MOOCs from learner perspective http://t.co/wRGZ7O7w #lrnchat
09:44:01 pm Quinnovator: @ryantracey might argue that social comes from world of education: Dewey, Vygotsky, Bandura, … #lrnchat
09:44:10 pm AlisonSeaman: I can’t remember if I warned my PLN abt being on this chat. Sorry! #lrnchat
09:44:16 pm LnDDave: @briandusablon Keg Parties in the conference room? #lrnchat
09:44:26 pm ActivateLearn: @AlisonSeaman @LnDDave @JaneBozarth I’m afraid that we don’t go down track of relying it only – again it’s one medium. #lrnchat
09:44:41 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator What? You left out Dick & Carey?
#lrnchat
09:45:00 pm briandusablon: @gdochuk why does social take so much work? Doesn’t have to. cc @JaneBozarth #lrnchat
09:45:09 pm AlisonSeaman: @Quinnovator @ryantracey Yes. Connectivism, constructivism, heutagogy and all that noise. #lrnchat
09:45:11 pm ryantracey: @Quinnovator In that sense, yes #lrnchat
09:45:19 pm gminks: In my field things change as fast as we make them. How to keep up…. #Lrnchat
09:45:33 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson and Merrill, and Gagne, and… #lrnchat
09:45:42 pm DavidnProgress: Q6) Education needs to change. Too much re-training required.Lack critical thinking/writing skills/team skills #lrnchat
09:45:43 pm AlisonSeaman: RT @LnDDave: A6) The fact that most people can not afford the education that is required to get the job in the first place? #lrnchat
09:46:10 pm Quinnovator: @AlisonSeaman @ryantracey gesundheit #lrnchat
09:46:35 pm kelly_smith01: RT @Quinnovator: a6) focus on 21st century/meta-learning skills #lrnchat
09:47:13 pm Dave_Ferguson: U.S. student loan debt approaching $1 trillion, so maybe college-as-experience model is getting… problematic. #lrnchat
09:47:36 pm melsgilbert: #lrnchat I’m out – Sarah Gilbert meLearning Solutions http://t.co/6mdAhhtg yay MOOC!?
09:47:37 pm JaneBozarth: @briandusablon @gdochuk why is that taking so much work?
#lrnchat
09:48:03 pm ryantracey: @AlisonSeaman @Quinnovator Indeed, I think the workplace took very little notice of all that until Facebook & co appeared. #lrnchat
09:48:12 pm kelly_smith01: RT @gminks: In my field things change as fast as we make them. How to keep up…. #Lrnchat —> Future arrived yesterday
09:48:37 pm lodtrain: @Dave_Ferguson #lrnchat more internship program schools i.e. Northeastern U
09:48:58 pm DavidnProgress: Now your talking RT @LnDDave: @briandusablon Keg Parties in the conference room? #lrnchat
09:49:59 pm AlisonSeaman: This. RT @lodtrain: @Dave_Ferguson #lrnchat more internship program schools i.e. Northeastern U #lrnchat
09:50:08 pm lrnchat: Q-BONUS) We’d like your feedback about #lrnchat. Please take a minute and complete our short survey: http://t.co/rQOqyRIf
09:50:14 pm Quinnovator: @briandusablon some of the things I learned via college ‘experience’ I’m not sure my parents would’ve been happy about! #lrnchat
09:50:34 pm andrearist: RT @Quinnovator: a6) focus on 21st century/meta-learning skills #lrnchat
09:50:43 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q-BONUS) We’d like your feedback about #lrnchat. Please take a minute and complete our short survey: http://t.co/rQOqyRIf
09:51:08 pm briandusablon: @Quinnovator Ahh, but they were probably some of the most important things you learned/experienced, either way. #lrnchat
09:51:47 pm stevier: @Quinnovator @briandusablon I try not to delve too closely into @shadeassault’s activities for that very reason… #lrnchat
09:52:23 pm DavidnProgress: Here in Oklahoma…Providing more specialized education. HighSchool pre-med and pre-engineering schools. Teach very differently #lrnchat
09:52:24 pm ryantracey: @Quinnovator Have you blogged about that? ;0) #lrnchat
09:52:59 pm Quinnovator: @ryantracey um, that would be no (my Mom’s still around :) #lrnchat
09:53:53 pm Dave_Ferguson: @DavidnProgress I think of son’s experience w/ high-quality magnet school & wonder: couldnt more if not most do better that way? #lrnchat
09:54:28 pm lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:54:52 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson nothing wrong with our current education system except the curriculum and the pedagogy #lrnchat
09:55:14 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat < already?
09:55:27 pm ryantracey: Qplug) If you’re looking for a Christmas/Kris Kringle gift: http://t.co/PI1AsLyd & for the kids: http://t.co/v364dO3Z #lrnchat
09:55:34 pm Dave_Ferguson: Dave Ferguson, Wash DC, job-aid-centric for a while, w/ show & tell at http://t.co/7IO8Bq3L #lrnchat
09:55:36 pm Quinnovator: thanks to new and returning #lrnchat participants for another rewarding session
09:55:49 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator …and the funding and the oversight. #lrnchat
09:55:55 pm LnDDave: RT @Quinnovator: thanks to new and returning #lrnchat participants for another rewarding session
09:56:00 pm AlisonSeaman: @stevier #eci831 structure (tweaked since). Suggest heutagogy in lieu andragogy http://t.co/brP23MCx #lrnchat
09:56:03 pm LnDDave: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:56:15 pm briandusablon: QWrap) Brian Dusablon, Learning Ninja. Web/Tech geek. Care about accessibility/usability. Love to learn. Need a motorcycle. Peace! #lrnchat
09:56:23 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learn tech strategist, consultant/author/speaker, genial malcontent #lrnchat
09:56:43 pm ryantracey: Thanks all, ’til next time… #lrnchat
09:57:00 pm AlisonSeaman: @lrnchat Alison Seaman, (almost!) MHRD, work in learning, lifelong learner. Super nerd. #lrnchat
09:57:02 pm kelly_smith01: Kelly Smith – Texas a non-succeeding one #lrnchat Great chat tonight.
09:57:03 pm stevier: QWrap) Stevie Rocco, Asst Dir for Learning Design, College of EMS, Penn State #lrnchat
09:58:10 pm LnDDave: QWrap) David Kelly, Hater of all things #Sandy, Learning Director, from NY #lrnchat
09:58:23 pm lewismal: I’m Malcolm Lewis & my new job involves apply connectivism ideas to professional learning in early education teachers/staff #lrnchat
09:58:30 pm briandusablon: QWrap) You can find me and @jkunrein on #TheToolBar (@emergentradio). Writing for ASTD Tech Blog this month. http://t.co/UXhnLfmS #lrnchat
09:58:50 pm AlisonSeaman: @LnDDave Glad your basement is less like a swimming pool this time. #lrnchat
09:59:05 pm DavidnProgress: Q) Wrap Howdy! Call center training manager for @sprint. Multiple centers. http://t.co/MCYoJRpf #lrnchat AKA @davidtcopeland
09:59:59 pm briandusablon: @lnddave glad you’ve got power and are on the way back to normal, however long that may take. #progress #lrnchat
10:00:08 pm AlisonSeaman: @lewismal Oh wow. That sounds like an amazing gig—congrats! #lrnchat
10:00:18 pm LnDDave: @AlisonSeaman My basement pool was AWESOME. It had a full boiler for heated water, and the added bonus of possible electrocution. #lrnchat
10:00:59 pm LnDDave: @briandusablon “Normal” is a relative term. I hadn’t set that bar too high BEFORE the flood. #lrnchat
10:01:01 pm kelly_smith01: Qwrap) Good night to all and all ships at sea. #lrnchat
10:01:13 pm lrnchat: Goodnight everyone, and thanks for another great #lrnchat. See you next Thursday, and have a wonderful week!
10:01:24 pm briandusablon: RT @JaneBozarth: New @ASTD Social Media for Learning Cert program coming to Chicago December 2&3. Join me! #lrnchat
10:01:42 pm JaneBozarth: New @ASTD Social Media for Learning Cert program coming to Chicago December 3&4. Join me! #lrnchat
10:01:46 pm AlisonSeaman: @LnDDave Dear me… #lrnchat
10:02:02 pm AlisonSeaman: Night all! Love this topic. #lrnchat
10:02:42 pm daniellynds: #lrnchat always love the lrnchat crew and all you talk about. im daniel and i work in canada at upei helping with elearn thingy-ma-bobs.

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