Transcript 6 September 2012 Community

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08:30:34 pm lrnchat: Hello everyone and welcome to #lrnchat. How have you been?
08:31:14 pm lrnchat: Please introduce yourself. Name, specialties, interests, etc.? #lrnchat
08:32:01 pm Quinnovator: it’s time again for the 90 min memestream extravaganza that is #lrnchat, duck (filter the hashtag) or join in!
08:32:17 pm JD_Dillon: JD from Orlando, joining this evening with my pile of ASTD Learning System books at my side (CPLP study time) #lrnchat
08:32:59 pm shannypez: Gaaaaa keep forgetting the hashtag. Shannon Rankin Freeeeeee lance instructional designer. I gotta keep learning #lrnchat
08:33:11 pm Quinnovator: @shannypez doh, me too! #lrnchat
08:33:14 pm heikan2003: Instructional designer and supervisor for emp. dev. #lrnchat
08:33:19 pm cdna_OrgDev: Hi everyone. Ashley- #SM Marketer for #cdna : http://t.co/7iUHFuNG Love #orgdev #hr and company #culture #lrnchat
08:33:24 pm lrnchat: Q0. We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:33:29 pm jkunrein: @dvdlindenberg @briandusablon Helloooooooooo #thetoolbar people! #lrnchat
08:33:30 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, learning experience strategist, consultant/author/speaker, genial malcontent, Walnut Creek CA #lrnchat
08:33:33 pm cdna_OrgDev: RT @shannypez: Gaaaaa keep forgetting the hashtag. Shannon Rankin Freeeeeee lance instructional designer. I gotta keep learning #lrnchat
08:33:34 pm dvdlindenberg: Hi All! David Lindenberg, ID, Rocky Mount, NC #lrnchat
08:33:41 pm criticallearner: Hey #lrnchat tweeps. David Glow, Tampa FL finally back in the chat.
08:33:43 pm briandusablon: @dvdlindenberg ha. first time in forever we’ve both been in here, I believe. Howdy y’all! #lrnchat
08:33:48 pm eLearninCyclops: Jeff Goldman – eLearning Designer (occasional traditional classroom trainer 2) in Baltimore, MD. #lrnchat
08:33:51 pm weisblatt: Q-intro: Adam Weisblatt Learning Tech Strategist & eLearning developer, Fairfield, CT #lrnchat
08:33:51 pm JD_Dillon: @shannypez i use TweetChat, never have to think about the hashtag #lrnchat
08:34:02 pm tomspiglanin: Tom Spiglanin from Los Angeles, made it home in time for the chat. Specialty? Failing to finish a post for weeks. #lrnchat
08:34:32 pm cdna_OrgDev: Q0. I learned that even though you feel like you can’t fit anymore info/knowledge in your brain, you really can :) #lrnchat
08:34:35 pm Quinnovator: q0) that some <expletive deleted>s will steal your ideas without apparent qualms #lrnchat
08:34:44 pm jkunrein: Judy Unrein, instructional designer for Nike, blogger, podcaster, learning geek. #lrnchat
08:34:53 pm nausben: RT @lrnchat: Please introduce yourself. Name, specialties, interests, etc.? #lrnchat
08:34:53 pm tomspiglanin: Q0) Today I re-learned sometimes it’s important to wait before acting. Requirements change, the brief delay allows them to resolve. #lrnchat
08:35:00 pm weisblatt: RT @shannypez: Gaaaaa keep forgetting the hashtag.> If it weren’t for Tweetchat I don’t think I could function. #lrnchat
08:35:16 pm briandusablon: Q0) Brian Dusablon (Texan). Entrepreneur. Learning Ninja. Podcaster. Geek. I quit my day job today to pursue my passion. w00t! #lrnchat
08:35:24 pm tomspiglanin: I learned that 2nd hand. >> RT @Quinnovator: q0) that some <expletive deleted>s will steal your ideas without apparent qualms #lrnchat
08:35:28 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q0. We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:35:30 pm JD_Dillon: @Quinnovator stop holding back and tell us how you really feel! :-) read your post, agreed #lrnchat
08:35:50 pm eLearninCyclops: Q0) Learned 2day (again) – It is gr8 to teach, but even better when the learners teach u something 2 #lrnchat
08:36:16 pm culture_jammer: Hi everyone. Ashley- #SM Marketer for #cdna : http://t.co/4EuCStpu Love #orgdev #hr and company #culture #lrnchat
08:36:16 pm urbie: #lrnchat urbie delgado, instructional designer, story + elearning..
08:36:25 pm briandusablon: Q0) I learned how to add a new show to @emergentradio: Designing Opinion http://t.co/bRiNwPf0 #lrnchat
08:36:37 pm TheAirton: Airton, from the O, Finally back on #Lrnchat
08:36:38 pm nancyrubin: Nancy Rubin, Dean of Online Learning, chatty Nancy, sharer extraordinaire #lrnchat
08:36:48 pm Keener1111: Q0) Christine from the GTA – Q0) Learning to be a “Formal Learner” again…never thought I’d see the day #lrnchat
08:36:57 pm elearningjoe: Damn, five minutes late, Joe Ganci, eLearning tools guy, outside Washington D.C. in a secret bunker. #lrnchat
08:37:00 pm Quinnovator: for those who are curious, this post tells the tale: http://t.co/gWixylnM and @cogdog similarly: http://t.co/LECmobfh #lrnchat
08:37:02 pm tomspiglanin: Q0) I also re-learned it’s important to be understanding when missing body language and tone of voice, it’s easy to misunderstand. #lrnchat
08:37:02 pm weisblatt: Q0: I learned to be patient with not learning fast enough #lrnchat
08:37:22 pm dvdlindenberg: Q0) I (re)learned that I really love constructing stories. #lrnchat
08:37:30 pm Quinnovator: welcome to new and returning #lrnchat participants, always a pleasure
08:37:46 pm TheAirton: Q0) I learned no matter how well instruction is designed or built, some users want spoon feeding. #lrnchat
08:37:59 pm Quinnovator: RT @weisblatt: Q0: I learned to be patient with not learning fast enough #lrnchat < I’d be happy just to learn to be patient!
08:38:14 pm weisblatt: RT @dvdlindenberg: Q0) I (re)learned that I really love constructing stories. #lrnchat
08:38:16 pm briandusablon: Q0) I learned that I have an unbelievable network of friends and family that support me and believe in me. I’m thrilled! #lrnchat
08:38:25 pm elearningjoe: @Quinnovator man, that stinks. Does it help to know you’re not alone? I’ve seen my stuff reused without perimission quite a bit. #lrnchat
08:38:33 pm weisblatt: @Quinnovator Glad to be back. #lrnchat
08:38:42 pm TheAirton: I learned buying a german car no matter how cheap may not be a good decision #lrnchat
08:38:50 pm jkunrein: Q0) I learned that I’m good enough and smart enough. Sometimes it’s a hard lesson to relearn. #lrnchat
08:38:58 pm odguru: Christy Pettit, OD practice leader in Guelph Canada Q0) experience IS the best teacher… but sometimes the lessons can be hard. #lrnchat
08:39:16 pm Quinnovator: RT @TheAirton: Q0) no matter how well instruction designed/built, some users want spoon feeding #lrnchat < they need to responsibility!
08:39:23 pm nancyrubin: RT @jkunrein: Q0) I learned that Im good enough and smart enough. Sometimes its a hard lesson to relearn. #lrnchat
08:39:24 pm lrnchat: Q1) What are some differences between clubs, communities and collectives? #lrnchat
08:39:24 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @TheAirton: learned no matter how well instruction designed or built, some users want spoon feeding | Some of em work at my org #lrnchat
08:39:24 pm elearningjoe: I learned that I’m pretty good at giving webinars and I shouldn’t so nervous about doing them. #lrnchat
08:39:33 pm criticallearner: RT @quinnovator: q0) that some <expletive deleted>s will steal your ideas without apparent qualms #lrnchat – Help out these clowns
08:39:42 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some differences between clubs, communities and collectives? #lrnchat
08:39:46 pm JD_Dillon: A0) Reminded that no amount of effort, instruction, or effective use of technology can make up for lack of cultural curiosity #lrnchat
08:39:49 pm criticallearner: RT @weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q0. We always begin with this: What did you learn today? If not today, then this week? #lrnchat
08:39:51 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some differences between clubs, communities and collectives? #lrnchat
08:39:54 pm jkunrein: @TheAirton That sounds like a painful lesson. :( #lrnchat
08:40:01 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some differences between clubs, communities and collectives? #lrnchat
08:40:04 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some differences between clubs, communities and collectives? #lrnchat
08:40:05 pm TheAirton: I learned no one, I mean no one takes from The @Quinnovator and lives. You did good #lrnchat
08:40:11 pm elearningjoe: @jkunrein and people really like you! #lrnchat
08:40:19 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q0 learned that #learningstyles don’t really exist and they posilootlee don’t exist in distance ed..
08:40:22 pm MMTingley: Q0) This week I learned about using Moodle, a new platform for me. #lrnchat
08:40:28 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some differences between clubs, communities and collectives? #lrnchat
08:40:33 pm urbie: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some differences between clubs, communities and collectives? #lrnchat
08:40:47 pm TheAirton: .@elearnincyclops I know I would have seen a one-eyed employee in the halls. Oh wait there’s more on the outside? #lrnchat
08:40:52 pm theASIDEblog: We learned that the best laid plans often go astray. #lrnchat
08:40:56 pm criticallearner: Q0) This wk, I learned I won’t make it to #DevLearn b/c of visiting relatives (but I am growing the beard as a sign of solidarity) #lrnchat
08:41:05 pm elearningjoe: Why this question? I don’t understand its importance. #lrnchat
08:41:08 pm JD_Dillon: A1) All are groups of people linked by common attributes, some are voluntary while others are based on social norms #lrnchat
08:41:26 pm criticallearner: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some differences between clubs, communities and collectives? #lrnchat
08:41:31 pm theASIDEblog: We learned we can’t worry about things our of our control. #lrnchat
08:41:34 pm eLearninCyclops: Q1) When I think of club – u choose 2 join, communities not always a choice 2 b part of #lrnchat
08:41:36 pm weisblatt: Q1) Once again we need to get out the L&D Dictionary/Thesaurus/Rosetta Stone #lrnchat
08:41:47 pm criticallearner: RT @TheAirton: learned no matter how well instruction designed or built, some users want spoon feeding | Some of em work at my org #lrnchat
08:41:57 pm agilistine: Drew, Multimedia, Eastern WV Q0) I learned that hard work and persistence eventually pays off #lrnchat
08:42:07 pm TheAirton: @jkunrein I call it Busted Knuckles and Beer weekends #lrnchat
08:42:30 pm tomspiglanin: I’m waiting to hear… RT @hwtwork: RT @lrnchat: Q1) What are some differences between clubs, communities and collectives? #lrnchat
08:42:33 pm weisblatt: Q1) Clubs exclude, Communities expand and Collectives pull together. #lrnchat
08:42:42 pm Quinnovator: @TheAirton thanks! But it was very much the community! See http://t.co/Ocuvahhp #lrnchat
08:42:43 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q1 clubs: clumps of people that might include Woody Allen, communities: people of like-minds, collectives are futile to resist..
08:42:44 pm nancyrubin: I love this video – Jono Bacon: Engines of Community – http://t.co/pmbjXlpQ #lrnchat
08:42:54 pm shannypez: I was reminded that the real business world doesn’t care much for the process of ID #lrnchat
08:43:01 pm elearningjoe: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Clubs exclude, Communities expand and Collectives pull together. #lrnchat I like that!
08:43:14 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Clubs exclude, Communities expand and Collectives pull together. #lrnchat
08:43:15 pm cdna_OrgDev: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Clubs exclude, Communities expand and Collectives pull together. #lrnchat
08:43:21 pm TheAirton: A1) Clubs are sought out, Communities are brought in, and Collectives are just links #lrnchat
08:43:27 pm odguru: RT @nancyrubin: I love this video – Jono Bacon: Engines of Community – http://t.co/EbgQFWaX Yes! Jono. #lrnchat
08:43:28 pm Dave_Ferguson: I see “club” as specific in context: you have to justify including what’s not self-evidently in (talking cars in a train club). #lrnchat
08:43:34 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @TheAirton: I know I would have seen a one-eyed employee in the halls. Oh wait there’s more on the outside? #lrnchat / we’re everywhere
08:43:44 pm Quinnovator: q1) speaking of which: club and collective have goals, but may not have as strong interpersonal ties? #lrnchat
08:43:44 pm tomspiglanin: Me too RT @elearningjoe: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Clubs exclude, Communities expand and Collectives pull together. #lrnchat I like that! #lrnchat
08:43:50 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @elearningjoe: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Clubs exclude, Communities expand and Collectives pull together. I like that! #lrnchat
08:43:50 pm odguru: RT @cdna_OrgDev: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Clubs exclude, Communities expand and Collectives pull together. #lrnchat
08:44:27 pm Dave_Ferguson: You might say club has a built-in “associative filter.” This is what we do, this is why we’re here. (rather than ‘exclude’) #lrnchat
08:44:27 pm cdna_OrgDev: Q1. some require more effort/contribution and some are just natural. #lrnchat
08:44:39 pm Quinnovator: q1) always reminded of Groucho: “I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member” #lrnchat
08:44:54 pm jkunrein: Q1) Collectives are more focused on a purpose than a community, in my view. Clubs’ purposes tend to be social. #lrnchat
08:45:05 pm Quinnovator: RT @weisblatt: Q1) Clubs exclude, Communities expand and Collectives pull together. #lrnchat < good one!
08:45:11 pm eLearninCyclops: Q1) Clubs get cool jackets #lrnchat
08:45:41 pm elearningjoe: RT @eLearninCyclops: Q1) Clubs get cool jackets #lrnchat Yeah!
08:45:42 pm weisblatt: RT @eLearninCyclops: Q1) Clubs get cool jackets #lrnchat
08:45:56 pm JD_Dillon: A1) You may wear a symbol to signal club membership. Your community membership is represented by natural attributes. #lrnchat
08:46:02 pm Dave_Ferguson: Problem w/ terms is that some clubs are communities: Homebrew Computer Club (S Jobs). #lrnchat
08:46:20 pm tomspiglanin: Q1) Speaking of clubs and exclusions… Augusta National Golf Club, home of the Masters, finally added female members. #lrnchat
08:46:26 pm weisblatt: Q1) Clubs are contain, structured, controlled #lrnchat
08:46:33 pm criticallearner: Q1) #lrnchat Clubs to me always seem about manufactured memberships, relationships and rules (but a community can exist in a club)
08:46:51 pm weisblatt: Communities grow, are nurtured, change #lrnchat
08:47:22 pm dvdlindenberg: Q1) Communities are more like family…they listen to your concerns, but also expect reciprocity. #lrnchat
08:47:40 pm MMTingley: Q1) Must be something in my upbringing but I think of clubs as exclusionary. #lrnchat
08:47:55 pm Quinnovator: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Problem w/ terms is that some clubs are communities: Homebrew Computer Club (S Jobs). #lrnchat
08:47:58 pm nancyrubin: Q1) Forget about the cool jackets – what about digital badges. How do you think badges will fit in to all this? #lrnchat
08:48:02 pm weisblatt: Q1) Collectives are agreed on, contingent on the members need of it #lrnchat
08:48:04 pm criticallearner: Q1) #lrnchat I see communities as naturally evolving relationships embracing uniqueness of each member
08:48:23 pm MMTingley: Q2) Communities are organic #lrnchat
08:48:24 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @weisblatt: Communities grow, are nurtured, change | Yes, & usually grow organically #lrnchat
08:48:38 pm Quinnovator: channeling @JD_Dillon: community membership defined by connections, clubs by badges #lrnchat
08:48:39 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @criticallearner: Q1) #lrnchat I see communities as naturally evolving relationships embracing uniqueness of each member #lrnchat
08:48:48 pm cdna_OrgDev: Although sometimes exclusivity is needed, it concerns me that it could exclude fresh perspectives, innovation, and new ideas. #lrnchat
08:48:59 pm weisblatt: @nancyrubin Badges make people think they are in clubs. I guess that’s why they never interest me. #lrnchat
08:49:09 pm JD_Dillon: A1) You can quit a club. Some communities cannot be left behind. #lrnchat
08:49:17 pm Quinnovator: RT @ryantracey: Q1) Clubs have an explicit identity, communities and collectives implicit. #lrnchat < I think of collectives as explicit?
08:49:23 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @MMTingley: Q2) Communities are organic | U beat me 2 it :) #lrnchat
08:49:30 pm criticallearner: RT @Dave_Ferguson: Problem w/ terms is that some clubs are communities: Homebrew Computer Club (S Jobs). #lrnchat -agree
08:49:37 pm nancyrubin: Aren’t The Borg a collective #justsayin #lrnchat
08:49:42 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @JD_Dillon: A1) You can quit a club. Some communities cannot be left behind. #lrnchat
08:49:43 pm Quinnovator: RT @MMTingley: Q2) Communities are organic #lrnchat
08:49:47 pm heikan2003: @jkunrein and helpful to others #lrnchat
08:49:50 pm briandusablon: Q1) Which ones has the most issues with politics, drama, etc.? Clubs, communities or collectives? #lrnchat
08:50:14 pm weisblatt: Q1) You start a club. You can’t really create a community. Collectives are a hybrid that can be arranged but still organic #lrnchat
08:50:15 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q1 clubs cost $$$; communities you can come and go or just sit; collectives are (child of the 50s) vanilla, one-size is all..
08:50:17 pm globalacademy: RT @nancyrubin: Aren’t The Borg a collective #justsayin #lrnchat
08:50:20 pm lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:50:26 pm nancyrubin: @weisblatt: I am interested in how badges can be used as a motivational tool or as a form of feedback in educational settings #lrnchat
08:50:30 pm Quinnovator: clubs and collectives can be communities, but not so much vice-versa #lrnchat
08:50:34 pm sparkandco: Did anyone say clubs tend to be exclusive, communities more collection of sub-cultures #lrnchat
08:50:45 pm Dave_Ferguson: @briandusablon Oh, drama is like the Hubble Constant. You ain’t gonna evade it by hiding in a community. #lrnchat
08:50:50 pm tomspiglanin: Q1) Communities should reflect a good measure of diversity to thrive. Not always true for clubs or collectives. #lrnchat
08:50:58 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:50:59 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:51:03 pm agilistine: Q1) switching the word order is interesting. the collective forms a community and clubs spring up from mutual interests #lrnchat
08:51:05 pm criticallearner: Q1 #lrnchat> Is it me, or is the language of “belonging to a club” have a very different context than “being part of a community”?
08:51:11 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:51:17 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:51:18 pm jkunrein: RT @Quinnovator: clubs and collectives can be communities, but not so much vice-versa #lrnchat
08:51:18 pm Quinnovator: q2) communities form from shared interests/values #lrnchat
08:51:19 pm cdna_OrgDev: @nancyrubin Gamification is a good thing to look into. They use badges as a recognition and rewards tool #lrnchat
08:51:28 pm criticallearner: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:51:29 pm briandusablon: Q2) They can start from an idea, with an organizer. They can also start organically with like-minded folks. #lrnchat
08:51:32 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:51:35 pm tomspiglanin: Sometimes they just happen…cooperative meeting of needs. RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:51:36 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator I dunno; some communities get very clubby, esp w/o much turnover or a certain min % of new blood. #lrnchat
08:51:37 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:51:48 pm JD_Dillon: A2) Genetics, locations, beliefs, interests, tragedies, etc … #lrnchat
08:51:50 pm heikan2003: RT @elearningjoe: RT @eLearninCyclops: Q1) Clubs get cool jackets #lrnchat Yeah!
08:51:55 pm criticallearner: RT @briandusablon: Q2) They can start from an idea, with an organizer. They can also start organically with like-minded folks. #lrnchat
08:52:06 pm jkunrein: @criticallearner Hmm. That helps make the point of clubs being exclusionary. #lrnchat
08:52:11 pm dvdlindenberg: Q2) Some communities form around a particular need. #lrnchat
08:52:12 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson then to that extent, are they calcifying and losing their ‘communityness’? #lrnchat
08:52:13 pm weisblatt: Q2) Communities form around values (not in the political/moral sense but literally what people find to be valuable). #lrnchat
08:52:20 pm cdna_OrgDev: Q2. Networking! Just talking to someone can really help build an idea and turn it into a “thing” #lrnchat
08:52:25 pm urbie: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:52:31 pm weisblatt: Q2) Communities form around the value of ideas. #lrnchat
08:53:00 pm eLearninCyclops: Q2) Sometimes form to solve a common problem, celebrate a success,.. #lrnchat
08:53:01 pm criticallearner: #lrnchat Q2) Communities usually evolve from a common interest whether it be school, neighborhood, profession…
08:53:03 pm Quinnovator: q2) communities emerge when people care and share #lrnchat
08:53:15 pm nancyrubin: Social Networks for Communities of Practice http://t.co/H0HgbpAZ #lrnchat
08:53:25 pm TheAirton: A2) Communities form from like minded individuals on more personal ideals #lrnchat
08:53:29 pm elearningjoe: Communities are based on common interests. I belong to several communities. They can form ad hoc or be planned . #lrnchat
08:53:30 pm Dave_Ferguson: “Planned community” — a paradox? An oxymoron? Or just the incubator for reams of standards?
#lrnchat
08:53:33 pm cdna_OrgDev: You’d be surprised about how many “communities” I discovered by networking on Linkedin and Twitter… then I spread the word #lrnchat
08:53:34 pm briandusablon: RT @Quinnovator: q2) communities emerge when people care and share #lrnchat
08:53:50 pm weisblatt: Q2) More than one person values the idea of putting ice cream on pizza and Voila, you have an ice-cream/pizza community #lrnchat
08:53:50 pm odguru: “@nancyrubin: Aren’t The Borg a collective #justsayin #lrnchat” yesd!!
08:54:19 pm elearningjoe: A community can be planned, especially an online one. Lots of them start on social network sites. I’ve made great riends that way. #lrnchat
08:54:36 pm JD_Dillon: A2) Some communities are based on shared ideas and values. Others are based on shared human conditions. #lrnchat
08:54:37 pm tomspiglanin: @hwtwork that would be terrific! #LrnChat
08:54:48 pm Quinnovator: collectives and clubs tend to have administration, communities have mentors #lrnchat
08:54:50 pm criticallearner: Q2 #lrnchat> How did this community start? Grow? It tells the story.
08:54:50 pm cdna_OrgDev: RT @weisblatt: Q2)More than one person values the idea of putting ice cream on pizza and Voila,you have an icecream/pizza community #lrnchat
08:55:08 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q2 communities aggregate to stave off threats: strength in numbers; they nurture growth: personal learning networks #pln
08:55:20 pm shannypez: Hey… this is a community right? :) #lrnchat
08:55:27 pm cdna_OrgDev: @elearningjoe Ditto! I actually know people who have gotten a job via twitter chats. #lrnchat
08:55:39 pm cdna_OrgDev: RT @JD_Dillon: A2) Some communities are based on shared ideas and values. Others are based on shared human conditions. #lrnchat
08:55:47 pm criticallearner: “@nancyrubin: Aren’t The Borg a collective #justsayin #lrnchat” >I’d disagree, but resistance is futile.
08:55:48 pm weisblatt: RT @criticallearner: Q2 How did this community start? Grow? It tells the story.> YES People value the story of the community #lrnchat
08:55:56 pm Quinnovator: @Dave_Ferguson “planned community” is marketing hype or social engineering #lrnchat
08:56:01 pm cdna_OrgDev: @JD_Dillon Just an FYI- I’m always impressed by things you say in here :) #lrnchat
08:56:09 pm heikan2003: RT @lrnchat: Q2) What are some ways communities form? #lrnchat
08:56:10 pm Quinnovator: RT @criticallearner: “@nancyrubin: Aren’t The Borg a collective #justsayin #lrnchat” >I’d disagree, but resistance is futile. < :D
08:56:15 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @shannypez: Hey… this is a community right? :) | Certainly is :) #lrnchat
08:56:19 pm SeanPutman1: Hey all, Sean from Detroit joining a bit late tonight #lrnchat
08:56:29 pm elearningjoe: RT @Quinnovator: RT @criticallearner: “@nancyrubin: Aren’t The Borg a collective #justsayin #lrnchat” >I’d disagree, but resistance i …
08:56:29 pm Dave_Ferguson: Club vs collective vs community: so, how do you pay your dues? #lrnchat
08:56:32 pm criticallearner: RT @JD_Dillon: A2) Some communities are based on shared ideas and values. Others are based on shared human conditions. #lrnchat
08:56:49 pm Quinnovator: RT @shannypez: Hey… this is a community right? :) #lrnchat < nah, we’re a club with no standards ;)
08:56:53 pm MMTingley: RT criticallearner “@nancyrubin: Aren’t The Borg a collective #justsayin #lrnchat” >I’d disagree, but resistance is futile #lrnchat
08:57:01 pm weisblatt: Q@) Communities form like crystals. They need a solution, some medium to connect their values. #lrnchat
08:57:22 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q2 ties that bind: clubs, jackets and secret handshakes; communities: interests; collectives: single purpose..
08:57:29 pm shannypez: @eLearninCyclops I was asking myself what this had to do with learning and then …duh! #lrnchat
08:57:30 pm elearningjoe: RT @weisblatt: Q@) Communities form like crystals. They need a solution, some medium to connect their values. #lrnchat
08:57:31 pm TheAirton: This is like Fight Club so SHHHH. 1st rule there is no… RT @shannypez: Hey… this is a community right? :) #lrnchat
08:57:36 pm agilistine: Q2) Communities form with active participation. We could design the best social network ever, but it would fail if no one came #lrnchat
08:58:08 pm tomspiglanin: LMAO RT @Quinnovator: RT @shannypez: Hey… this is a community right? :) #lrnchat < nah, we’re a club with no standards ;)
08:58:19 pm dvdlindenberg: Q2) Communities form when people stop lurking (thinkin’ myself here) and participate with one another. #lrnchat
08:58:20 pm eLearninCyclops: Q2) Some online communities form when there is a lack of “community” in real world (e.g., you r only elearning guy at work) #lrnchat
08:58:35 pm Quinnovator: RT @dvdlindenberg: Q2) Communities form when people stop lurking (thinkin’ myself here) and participate with one another. #lrnchat
08:58:38 pm weisblatt: Q2) Community is a verb #lrnchat
08:58:57 pm Masson23: @lrnchat out of necessity, to complete a common goal, to share a collective knowledge, to leverage resources #lrnchat
08:58:58 pm dvdlindenberg: Q2) communication, participation, sharing – all community forming #lrnchat
08:59:28 pm nancyrubin: RT @weisblatt: Q2) Community is a verb #lrnchat
08:59:30 pm elearningjoe: Jeff, true, another example is people who have a rare disease, finding others around the world. @eLearningCyclops #lrnchat
08:59:36 pm cdna_OrgDev: @eLearninCyclops Yes! Sometimes, the people you need/want to talk to aren’t in your immediate area. Tech helps connection #lrnchat
08:59:37 pm criticallearner: RT @elearnincyclops: Q2) Some online communities form when there is a lack of “community” in real world #lrnchat | AMEN 2 dat.
08:59:48 pm jkunrein: MT @agilistine: Q2) Communities form w/ active participation. Could design the best social network, but it would fail if no 1 came #lrnchat
08:59:53 pm tomspiglanin: It is? To commune is, but community? RT @weisblatt: Q2) Community is a verb #lrnchat
08:59:55 pm BestVacaRentals: #bones #dwts #glee #gossipgirl #graysanatomy #idol #lrnchat #mlearning @Mayerjs #sharktank #survivor #teachers #theoffice #thevoice #xfactor
08:59:59 pm Quinnovator: @criticallearner but increasingly, the rules are self enforced #lrnchat
09:00:02 pm espencedalton: “@urbie: #lrnchat Q2 ties that bind: clubs, jackets and secret handshakes; communities: interests; collectives: single purpose..” like this
09:00:19 pm Dave_Ferguson: @ryantracey “Could” is not “will,” though. Enterprise-wide = really broad focus = potentially low WIIFM. #lrnchat
09:00:24 pm TheAirton: A2) World of Warcraft started as club, entry fee, then created communities #lrnchat Watch the web series The Guild
09:00:30 pm shannypez: Lurking is comfy! RT @Quinnovator: RT @dvdlindenberg: Q2) Communities form when people stop lurking and participate #lrnchat
09:00:34 pm weisblatt: Q2) You can create the containers: clubs/social networks/event calendars but if there is no shared value there is no community #lrnchat
09:00:39 pm elearningjoe: We love to turn nouns into verbs in English, unlike most every other langauge. #lrnchat
09:01:04 pm Quinnovator: @TheAirton saw a bit of that; a hoot! #lrnchat
09:01:08 pm criticallearner: Q2 > I treasure the #lrnchat community, because you enrich me in ways my work “club” cannot (actually, I want to club myself at work, often)
09:01:14 pm briandusablon: RT @TheAirton: A2) World of Warcraft started as club, entry fee, then created communities #lrnchat Watch the web series The Guild #lrnchat
09:01:24 pm Quinnovator: @TheAirton what’s the difference between a club, community, collective, and *cult*! #lrnchat
09:01:54 pm Dave_Ferguson: @elearningjoe That’s been a community characteristic of English since 820 AD or thereabouts. #lrnchat
09:01:55 pm lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:02:07 pm agilistine: @TheAirton I’ll check that out, thanks! #lrnchat
09:02:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:02:14 pm jkunrein: @TheAirton A WoW guild is much more a collective than a community. HA good call @quinnovator… cults they can be. #lrnchat
09:02:22 pm weisblatt: RT @shannypez: Lurking is comfy! RT Communities form when people stop lurking and participate>Lurkers are community members. #lrnchat
09:02:23 pm dvdlindenberg: @shannypez @quinnovator exactly (speaking from experience), but being part of community isn’t always comfy. :) #lrnchat
09:02:25 pm npmaven: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:02:31 pm elearningjoe: @Quinnovator you could easily start a cult, Clark, and then take revenge on those plagiarists! #lrnchat
09:02:31 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:02:37 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:02:39 pm Dave_Ferguson: @Quinnovator Diff between club and cult? Latter MUCH more fiercely orthodox. #lrnchat
09:02:44 pm TheAirton: The cost of kool-aid RT @quinnovator: @TheAirton what’s the difference between a club, community, collective, and *cult*! #lrnchat
09:02:46 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:02:46 pm shannypez: @TheAirton Oh yes..WoW is a community but still possible to lurk. :) Love The Guild #lrnchat
09:02:50 pm criticallearner: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:02:52 pm elearningjoe: Someone told me once that they follow the CASE Method: Copy and Steal Everything. Sigh. #lrnchat
09:02:58 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:03:06 pm chet_stevenson: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:03:06 pm cdna_OrgDev: Clubs can sometimes feel like an obligation… communities make it fun/interesting to be a part of #lrnchat
09:03:07 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:03:08 pm JD_Dillon: A3) ‘Mean Girls’ should be required viewing in all community settings! :-) #lrnchat
09:03:15 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q2 about lurkers: clubs don’t tolerate lurkers; communities are rife with lurkers; collectives: no such animal
09:03:15 pm gminks: Grrrr wanted to do #lrnchat tonite :(
09:03:16 pm agilistine: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:03:25 pm elearningjoe: Q3) Don’t know if it’s possible. It happens in real life too. Remember high school? #lrnchat
09:03:37 pm urbie: RT @lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat
09:03:47 pm Quinnovator: a3) communities become self-policing if they’re healthy #lrnchat
09:03:54 pm cdna_OrgDev: Q3. Diversity. Make a conscious effort to seek diversity to ensure that there will always be a “devil’s advocate”/challenge #lrnchat
09:03:59 pm weisblatt: RT @Quinnovator: @TheAirton whats the difference … A cult is a club taken to the extreme. #lrnchat
09:04:02 pm chet_stevenson: Hello lrnchat, coming in late. Chester Stevenson, Instructional Designer – Lockheed Martin, North Carolina. #lrnchat
09:04:02 pm jkunrein: @chet_stevenson HI CHET! /waving #lrnchat
09:04:06 pm eLearninCyclops: Q3) Don’t b afraid to point it out – create discourse on the issue of it #lrnchat
09:04:08 pm Quinnovator: RT @urbie: #lrnchat Q2 about lurkers: clubs don’t tolerate lurkers; communities are rife with lurkers; collectives: no such animal
09:04:10 pm dawnjmahoney: RT @JD_Dillon: A3) Mean Girls should be required viewing in all community settings! :-) #Lrnchat
09:04:17 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @Quinnovator: a3) communities become self-policing if theyre healthy YES! #lrnchat
09:04:31 pm criticallearner: RT @quinnovator: a3) communities become self-policing if they’re healthy #lrnchat – yes
09:04:44 pm JD_Dillon: A3) Communities need integrated systems of checks and balances, not policing and authority. #lrnchat
09:04:46 pm elearningjoe: Cults form around one person usually, someone very charismatic. Communities need not have a leader. #lrnchat
09:04:46 pm weisblatt: Q3) Going back tot he organic model: Feed the healthy parts and starve the diseased parts. #lrnchat
09:04:48 pm SeanPutman1: Q3) For group think bring in an outsider to challenge the community #lrnchat
09:05:10 pm MMTingley: Q3) Culture building, TOS, active community managers #lrnchat
09:05:16 pm cdna_OrgDev: Q3. Make sure there is at least one person who will “debate” so it can stir up some new perspectives. #lrnchat
09:05:17 pm chet_stevenson: @jkunrein Hey there, long time no see! #lrnchat
09:05:22 pm Quinnovator: @KathyKitch lurking is ‘legitimate peripheral participation’! Part of the process #lrnchat
09:05:23 pm heikan2003: #lrnchat just watched video on our veterans, what a community; group think part of everyday life foe them?
09:05:26 pm TheAirton: Second Life and Sims have they’re elements RT @quinnovator: a3) communities become self-policing if they’re healthy #lrnchat
09:05:27 pm criticallearner: Q3 #lrnchat> new members help diversify thinking, good communities encourage productive dissent
09:05:27 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q3 #cliques: push buttons til i get a happy face; #groupthink isn’t such a bad thing as long as it breeds action.. add feedback..
09:05:43 pm criticallearner: RT @weisblatt: Q3) Going back tot he organic model: Feed the healthy parts and starve the diseased parts. #lrnchat
09:05:51 pm odguru: RT @JD_Dillon: A3) ‘Mean Girls’ should be required viewing in all community settings! :-) #lrnchat
09:05:55 pm criticallearner: RT @elearningjoe: Cults form around one person usually, someone very charismatic. Communities need not have a leader. #lrnchat – PERFECT
09:06:09 pm nancyrubin: RT @criticallearner: Q3 #lrnchat> new members help diversify thinking, good communities encourage productive dissent #lrnchat
09:06:11 pm jkunrein: RT @eLearninCyclops: Q3) Dont b afraid to point it out – create discourse on the issue of it #lrnchat
09:06:22 pm dvdlindenberg: Q3) Strong communities aren’t afraid to invite new, different voices into the group. #lrnchat
09:06:26 pm Quinnovator: RT @ryantracey: @Quinnovator You are not allowed to leave a cult. #lrnchat < exactly, and you don’t *want* to leave a real community
09:06:28 pm eLearninCyclops: Q3) Spend tons of $ on an off-site team building event ;) #lrnchat
09:06:44 pm chet_stevenson: Q3) Leaders should think of ways to challenge team members – to think outside the box and consider other possibilties. #lrnchat
09:06:55 pm Masson23: @lrnchat my name is Justin Masson, I’m a L&D consultant, I look for opportunities to use emerging tech & SoMe in the classroom 1st #lrnchat
09:06:56 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @nancyrubin: RT@criticallearner:Q3 #lrnchat> new members help diversify thinking, good communities encourage productive dissent #lrnchat
09:06:58 pm weisblatt: Q3) cliques: create more circles of interest around them and make them irrelevant. #lrnchat
09:07:01 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @dvdlindenberg: Q3) Strong communities arent afraid to invite new, different voices into the group. #lrnchat
09:07:10 pm elearningjoe: Cults require you sacrifice a lot and you get back little. Communities are much more egalitarian. #lrnchat
09:07:15 pm SeanPutman1: RT @dvdlindenberg: Q3) Strong communities arent afraid to invite new, different voices into the group. #lrnchat
09:07:21 pm TheAirton: A3) #cliques & #groupthink are just smaller sub-communities. Is that bad? #lrnchat
09:07:39 pm weisblatt: Q3) Groupthink: give voice to the dissenters. Put some pain in the system. Push against the definitions of the values. #lrnchat
09:07:41 pm Quinnovator: a3) supplement shared values with good citizenship; don’t assume good behavior, cultivate #lrnchat
09:07:50 pm KathyKitch: Thank goodness communities are tolerant of late arrivals; happy to finally be present. I am encouraged & a reforming lurker. #lrnchat
09:07:52 pm sparkandco: RT@lrnchat: Q3) How do you deal with side-effects of community-building, like #cliques & #groupthink? #lrnchat <GREAT question
09:07:55 pm jkunrein: Q3) Read #Mutlipliers recently and loved the idea of the Debate Maker. A good trait for a community gardener too. #lrnchat
09:08:01 pm agilistine: Q3) Quote this at a mtg. Makes #groupthinkers squirm: “If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.” – Patton #lrnchat
09:08:06 pm Quinnovator: RT @ryantracey: Q3) Avoiding groupthink dependent on an open culture, where contrarian opinions considered rather than suppressed. #lrnchat
09:08:16 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator @KathyKitch lurking is not necessarily ‘legitimate’ if no intention to ever join/contribute #lrnchat
09:08:28 pm DStev: RT @Spongelab: Good lecture from 2009: No Grades Plus No Homework Equals Better Learning http://t.co/uzAnWVFe #edchat #lrnchat
09:08:50 pm criticallearner: Q2 #lrnchat> Iron fist in a velvet glove works nicely. ;)
09:09:05 pm briandusablon: RT @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator @KathyKitch lurking is not necessarily legitimate if no intention to ever join/contribute #lrnchat
09:09:14 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth fair enough; but what would keep a person lurking if not getting value, which leads to join/contribute? #lrnchat
09:09:17 pm criticallearner: RT @ryantracey: Q3) Avoiding groupthink dependent on an open culture, where contrarian opinions considered rather than suppressed. #lrnchat
09:09:17 pm JD_Dillon: RT @agilistine Q3) Makes #groupthinkers squirm: “If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking.” – Patton #lrnchat
09:09:56 pm elearningjoe: A tenet of a cult: When our leader has spoken, the thinking has been done. #lrnchat
09:10:01 pm espencedalton: Lurking can be a learning tool in observing culture and communication #lrnchat
09:10:14 pm Quinnovator: RT @elearningjoe: A tenet of a cult: When our leader has spoken, the thinking has been done. #lrnchat
09:10:55 pm urbie: @Quinnovator @janebozarth maybe the lurker is a conduit to another community? #lrnchat
09:11:07 pm Quinnovator: RT @agilistine: Q3) Quote this, makes #groupthinkers squirm: “If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn’t thinking” – Patton #lrnchat
09:11:31 pm lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:11:35 pm agilistine: Scary thought… RT @elearningjoe: A tenet of a cult: When our leader has spoken, the thinking has been done. #lrnchat
09:11:38 pm weisblatt: Lurkers are potential future participators. Without them, the community would eventually shrivel up. #lrnchat
09:11:39 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:11:39 pm criticallearner: RT @quinnovator: RT @elearningjoe: A tenet of a cult: When our leader has spoken, the thinking has been done. #lrnchat
09:11:41 pm MMTingley: RT @jkunrein: Q3) Read #Mutlipliers recently and loved the idea of the Debate Maker. A good trait for a community gardener too. #lrnchat
09:11:58 pm chet_stevenson: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:12:02 pm TheAirton: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:12:04 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:12:10 pm shannypez: Or new and shy RT @urbie: @Quinnovator @janebozarth maybe the lurker is a conduit to another community? #lrnchat
09:12:14 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:12:14 pm criticallearner: RT @espencedalton: Lurking can be a learning tool in observing culture and communication #lrnchat – for a time, yes, but there are limits.
09:12:18 pm JaneBozarth: Some people never intend to, Clark. They just want to take. And maybe steal your stuff for their blog, eh? #lrnchat
09:12:21 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:12:30 pm criticallearner: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:12:31 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @espencedalton: Lurking can be a learning tool in observing culture and communication>yes, but commun. requires particip. no? #lrnchat
09:12:46 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:12:48 pm cdna_OrgDev: A4. It can be better because everyone’s there because they value the same thing and are passionate about it. #engagement #lrnchat
09:12:55 pm chet_stevenson: Q4) To start, a community is better at learning when all ideas are considered and encouraged. #lrnchat
09:12:58 pm JD_Dillon: A4) Community attitudes towards the new and unfamiliar could facilitate or eliminate learning opportunities. #lrnchat
09:13:09 pm weisblatt: Q4) Same as an individual. If the culture of a community says there is nothing to learn, nothing will be learned #lrnchat
09:13:10 pm elearningjoe: Q4) Great question. People in communities can build on each other’s ideas, for better or for worse. #lrnchat
09:13:14 pm heikan2003: #lrnchat communities better due to sharing; bad when blindly folllowing
09:13:17 pm Quinnovator: a4) the culture: is it tolerant of diversity, open to new ideas, supportive of mistakes… #lrnchat
09:13:18 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @hwtwork: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:13:29 pm urbie: RT @lrnchat: Q4) What makes a community better or worse at learning? #lrnchat
09:13:42 pm espencedalton: RT @elearningjoe: A tenet of a cult: When our leader has spoken, the thinking has been done. #lrnchat
09:13:43 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q4 it depends..
09:13:53 pm jkunrein: RT @chet_stevenson: Q4) To start, a community is better at learning when all ideas are considered and encouraged. #lrnchat
09:14:06 pm jkunrein: RT @Quinnovator: a4) the culture: is it tolerant of diversity, open to new ideas, supportive of mistakes… #lrnchat
09:14:12 pm dvdlindenberg: Q4) listening or lack thereof #lrnchat
09:14:17 pm KathyKitch: @cdna_OrgDev Ah yes, the passion! #lrnchat
09:14:17 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q4 like that guy and his forming, storming, norming, etc.. depends where on the timeline they are..
09:14:19 pm eLearninCyclops: Q4) Better with lots of diversity, opinionated and outspoken peeps #lrnchat
09:14:19 pm elearningjoe: Q4) Some communities are necessary to advance a new initiative. Not everything can be done by one person or small group. #lrnchat
09:14:19 pm shannypez: Q4 learning is better when community members are welcoming and willing to take time to share experience and knowledge #lrnchat
09:14:25 pm weisblatt: Q4) If the community is about growth and helping others and being open, then learning will be natural and they will thrive #lrnchat
09:14:33 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth yeah, I have a hard time understanding that, but you’re right it exists. Sigh. #lrnchat
09:14:42 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @jkunrein: RT @Quinnovator: a4) the culture: is it tolerant of diversity, open to new ideas, supportive of mistakes… #lrnchat
09:14:45 pm SeanPutman1: Q4)It has to be open 2 new ideas, can benefit from someone that pushes the boundaries #lrnchat
09:14:56 pm agilistine: RT @Quinnovator: a4) the culture: is it tolerant of diversity, open to new ideas, supportive of mistakes… #lrnchat
09:14:58 pm TheAirton: A4) Every community has an agreed culture/direction they are built on. Either that culture likes building or not #lrnchat
09:15:07 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q4 i’d think that over a period of time (lurker population = 0) they’d become a collective because of inertia..
09:15:18 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @shannypez: Learning is better when community members r welcoming and willing to take time to share experience and knowledge #lrnchat
09:15:29 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @SeanPutman1: Q4)It has to be open 2 new ideas, can benefit from someone that pushes the boundaries #lrnchat
09:15:31 pm heikan2003: @jkunrein #lrnchat amen! Encouraging ideas is key to innovative communities
09:15:38 pm KathyKitch: RT @shannypez: Q4 learning is better when comm.members are welcoming and willing to take time to share experience and knowledge #lrnchat
09:15:39 pm edCetraT: hello all.. nancy from T.O. joining in very late. sorry about that. will be lurking tonight #lrnchat
09:15:39 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @SeanPutman1: Q4)It has to be open 2 new ideas, can benefit from someone that pushes the boundaries #lrnchat
09:15:50 pm Quinnovator: a4) many years ago, read an article calling for a corporate jester, there to deliberately poke fun, stir the pot, etc. #lrnchat
09:15:52 pm criticallearner: #lrnchat Q4> Motivation to learn and share > continually reinforcing/protecting same ideas blindly.
09:15:58 pm cdna_OrgDev: RT @agilistine: RT @Quinnovator: a4) the culture: is it tolerant of diversity, open to new ideas, supportive of mistakes… #lrnchat
09:16:02 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q4 i think it’s the emergent lurker(s) that drive discord (a good thing actually) by asking “dumb” questions that get things moving
09:16:07 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator Shiue, Chiu, and Chang (2010) found that a large number of lurkers contribute to lower usage. #lrnchat
09:16:07 pm criticallearner: RT @quinnovator: a4) the culture: is it tolerant of diversity, open to new ideas, supportive of mistakes… #lrnchat
09:16:11 pm weisblatt: Q4) Back to what they value. If they value the growth and well-being of their members, then they must value learning. #lrnchat
09:16:20 pm shannypez: RT @weisblatt: Q4) If community is about growth and helping others and being open, then learning will be natural and will thrive #lrnchat
09:16:21 pm cdna_OrgDev: @agilistine I love #culture … it can really make a HUGE difference #lrnchat
09:16:26 pm JD_Dillon: A4) How open is the community to outside influences? New members can bring learning opportunities into the group. #lrnchat
09:16:29 pm chet_stevenson: Q4) A community is better at learning when info is properly cataloged and easily accessible so that wheels are not reinvented. #lrnchat
09:16:31 pm heikan2003: @eLearninCyclops #lrnchat Agreed. Must encourage all to participate even when you do not agree.
09:16:49 pm cdna_OrgDev: @Quinnovator haha I think I remember hearing about that. Sounds pretty amazing :) #lrnchat
09:17:02 pm espencedalton: @dvdlindenberg agree community requires some level of engagement, lurking can lead finding opens to engage & contribute new ideas #lrnchat
09:17:09 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @heikan2003: @eLearninCyclops #lrnchat Agreed. Must encourage all to participate even when you do not agree. #lrnchat
09:17:26 pm elearningjoe: Some people are skittish, thinking they have nothing to contribute. We have to encourage them. Often a newbie has the best ideas. #lrnchat
09:17:30 pm criticallearner: Q4 #lrnchat> members not afraid to be real and have the real discussions
09:17:51 pm agilistine: Q4) I think safety is key. Do participants feel free to offer their ideas without fear of ridicule or reprisal? #lrnchat
09:17:52 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator Shiue, Chiu, and Chang (2010) found that a large number of lurkers contribute to lower usage. #lrnchat
09:18:00 pm heikan2003: #lrnchat lurkers may not have self confidence to share in a community
09:18:01 pm eLearninCyclops: Got 2 run, hope to be back for last ?. If not, thx for g8 #lrnchat
09:18:15 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth would that be a community not sufficiently of interest? How avoid? #lrnchat
09:18:17 pm cdna_OrgDev: @espencedalton it really is all about the #engagement, isn’t it ;) #lrnchat
09:18:25 pm weisblatt: RT @agilistine: Q4) I think safety is key. Do participants feel free to offer their ideas without fear of ridicule or reprisal? #lrnchat
09:18:36 pm urbie: @weisblatt #lrnchat do communities have members? clubs have members.. communities have.. what? adepts i think..
09:18:40 pm Quinnovator: RT @agilistine: Q4) I think safety is key. Do participants feel free to offer their ideas without fear of ridicule or reprisal? #lrnchat
09:18:42 pm dawnjmahoney: RT @agilistine: Q4) I think safety is key. Do participants feel free to offer their ideas without fear of ridicule or reprisal? #Lrnchat
09:18:48 pm cdna_OrgDev: A4. Most people CHOOSE communities which means their heart and passion is in it. That can increase #learning and #engagement #lrnchat
09:19:08 pm injenuity: #lrnchat makes me want my own cult.
09:19:44 pm weisblatt: Q4) If the community is tilted towards lurking, they will only half learn. They’ll miss the advantage of connections. #lrnchat
09:19:58 pm Quinnovator: a4) leaders who learn out loud #lrnchat
09:20:04 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @heikan2003: #lrnchat lurkers may not have self confidence to share in a community >true. community needs to b open & welcoming #lrnchat
09:20:14 pm Mayerjs: #edapp #edtech #education @Mayerjs #elearning #lrnchat #mlearning #teachers
09:20:17 pm Quinnovator: a4) as @hjarche would say, ‘narrate your work’ #lrnchat
09:20:27 pm SeanPutman1: RT @agilistine:Q4) I think safety is key. Do participants feel free to offer their ideas without fear of ridicule or reprisal? #lrnchat
09:20:29 pm weisblatt: RT @Quinnovator: a4) leaders who learn out loud> I like that! #lrnchat
09:20:30 pm shannypez: The ” internet” can be brutal RT @agilistine: Q4) safety is key. Do ppl feel free to offer ideas w/o fear of ridicule, reprisal? #lrnchat
09:20:36 pm urbie: @dawnjmahoney @agilistine #lrnchat i spend some time in academic communities.. they “argue” a lot.. how do you reconcile that?
09:20:57 pm jkunrein: Q4) Having trust in your connections. Sounds basic, but also true for individuals. To learn you have to be safe in not knowing. #lrnchat
09:21:04 pm Quinnovator: @urbie argument is healthy, if conducted fairly, no? #lrnchat
09:21:20 pm lrnchat: Q5) What is a role of a community manager? #lrnchat
09:21:25 pm heikan2003: @Quinnovator #lrnchat I am not convinced that all participants feel they would be not be criticized.
09:21:26 pm agilistine: RT @weisblatt Q4) If the community is tilted towards lurking, they will only half learn. They’ll miss the advantage of connections. #lrnchat
09:21:27 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What is a role of a community manager? #lrnchat
09:21:40 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What is a role of a community manager? #lrnchat
09:21:46 pm jjjohnson01: You already have one, don’t cha? RT: @injenuity: #lrnchat makes me want my own cult.
09:21:47 pm Quinnovator: @heikan2003 then it’s not safe, a big factor #lrnchat
09:21:47 pm weisblatt: Q4) If our members know everything and if questioning is being a bad member, then learning is dead #lrnchat
09:21:49 pm tomspiglanin: Hi, Nancy. You engaged, that’s not lurking. MT @edCetraT: hello all.. nancy from T.O. joining in very late. will be lurking tonight #lrnchat
09:21:52 pm chet_stevenson: RT @Quinnovator: @urbie argument is healthy, if conducted fairly, no? > Agreed. #lrnchat
09:21:52 pm elearningjoe: A community manager must encourage others and not see herself as the center of attention. #lrnchat
09:22:00 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What is a role of a community manager? #lrnchat
09:22:00 pm criticallearner: RT @injenuity: #lrnchat makes me want my own cult. >> #lnrchat is kindof a cult of awesomeness I can’t quit.
09:22:02 pm tomspiglanin: +100 RT @Quinnovator: a4) as @hjarche would say, narrate your work #lrnchat
09:22:03 pm SeanPutman1: Q4)People comfortable with not knowing, goes back to safety and trust as other have said #lrnchat
09:22:08 pm chet_stevenson: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What is a role of a community manager? #lrnchat
09:22:10 pm jkunrein: @Quinnovator @urbie Just bc they’re academic doesn’t mean they’re learning, right? #lrnchat
09:22:12 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What is a role of a community manager? #lrnchat
09:22:19 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What is a role of a community manager? #lrnchat
09:22:26 pm RoyKenagy: RT @Dave_Ferguson: “Planned community” — a paradox? An oxymoron? Or just the incubator for reams of standards?
#lrnchat
09:22:28 pm criticallearner: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What is a role of a community manager? #lrnchat
09:22:30 pm JD_Dillon: A5) To listen to community members, take action to balance priorities and support shared goals/values. #lrnchat
09:22:31 pm urbie: @Quinnovator sure. #lrnchat is fair safe? i think the community building process is pretty dynamic; there’s participants, lurkers.. and..
09:23:14 pm chet_stevenson: Q5) One role is to make sure the subject stays in scope. (No sales pitches for example) #lrnchat
09:23:26 pm SeanPutman1: Q5)Community manager must be an integral part of the community, leading without others feeling like they are taking over #lrnchat
09:23:38 pm edCetraT: @tomspiglanin more like multi-tasking ;) house work, #lrnchat, still trying to put one of my kids to sleep!
09:23:40 pm agilistine: @urbie argument can be healthy for learning, being ostracized or punished for an opinion, not so much :) #lrnchat
09:23:49 pm weisblatt: Q5) A community manager is like a beekeeper. She can’t own/control the bees but she can give them a reason to make honey #lrnchat
09:23:53 pm Quinnovator: a5) 1. keep conversations open & fair; facilitate continual growth/development #lrnchat
09:23:58 pm StephenCHudson: Q5 – A community manager is responsible for connecting and empowering members of the community, not acting as the group MVP #lrnchat
09:24:05 pm Quinnovator: a5) 2. bring in outside thoughts; encourage participation #lrnchat
09:24:12 pm heikan2003: #lrnchat the community mngr must make lurkers and all participants feel included and push ideas
09:24:14 pm JD_Dillon: A5) I wish my community manager would fix the darn front gate!!! Sorry, tangent … :-) #lrnchat
09:24:18 pm dvdlindenberg: Q5) Community manager – encourage, listen, support, help keep community true to its original aims #lrnchat
09:24:50 pm Quinnovator: RT @jkunrein: @Quinnovator @urbie Just bc they’re academic doesn’t mean they’re learning, right? #lrnchat < yes, they’ve *learned*. (sigh)
09:24:51 pm JD_Dillon: A5) Facilitation of community growth requires less management and more leadership. #lrnchat
09:24:56 pm criticallearner: #lrnchat Q5> Help shape/steer discussions (even disagreements) constructively toward the larger goal. Encourage. Role model
09:25:01 pm txtnlrn: @JD_Dillon A5 is a community manager a moderator #lrnchat hello frm @txtnlrn
09:25:04 pm tomspiglanin: @edCetraT :-) I’m about to give Arianna a bath and then wife home. This may be my last post tonight (okay, that’s not me) #lrnchat
09:25:09 pm tomspiglanin: RT @dvdlindenberg: Q5) Community manager – encourage, listen, support, help keep community true to its original aims #lrnchat
09:25:09 pm Quinnovator: @jkunrein seriously, depends on the academic ;) #lrnchat
09:25:11 pm weisblatt: Q5) Articulate the shared values and provide opportunities for the community to act on them. #lrnchat
09:25:14 pm tomspiglanin: RT @JD_Dillon: A5) Facilitation of community growth requires less management and more leadership. #lrnchat
09:25:27 pm jkunrein: Q5) I think I just added Debate Maker to the list. #lrnchat
09:25:37 pm dvdlindenberg: Q5) encouraging the development of new members #lrnchat
09:25:40 pm heikan2003: #lrnchat the community leader needs to be the cheerleader and celebrate the community
09:25:56 pm Quinnovator: @TheAirton right, but have agreement: hear both sides, one wins, everyone accepts #lrnchat
09:26:05 pm culture_jammer: @agilistine I love #culture … it can really make a HUGE difference #lrnchat
09:26:07 pm Quinnovator: RT @dvdlindenberg: Q5) encouraging the development of new members #lrnchat
09:26:10 pm KathyKitch: @heikan2003 Thank You! some of us are slow-lurkers & need to time to absorb; SoMe rarely accomodates that at first. #lrnchat
09:26:11 pm tomspiglanin: Q5) Comm Mgr should encourage lurkers to engage. It improves the experience for them. @heikan2003 #lrnchat
09:26:15 pm espencedalton: A5) role of community manager = community moves toward goals, fosters engagement, connects to new ideas #lrnchat
09:26:26 pm Quinnovator: RT @hwtwork: #lrnchat A5) Facilitate, moderate, regulate… just like a high school teacher minus the teaching. < a *good* teacher ;)
09:26:38 pm criticallearner: @jkunrein @Quinnovator @urbie Just bc they’re academic doesn’t mean they’re learning, right? #lrnchat < many are schooled (not even learned)
09:26:53 pm elearningjoe: I can’t keep my eyes open tonight. Nite, all! Thanks! #lrnchat
09:26:57 pm Quinnovator: RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat Q5> Help shape/steer discussions constructively toward the larger goal. Encourage. Role model < that latter!
09:27:06 pm dvdlindenberg: Q5) being able to step aside at the right time and let others have a chance at leading #lrnchat
09:27:08 pm cdna_OrgDev: Gotta head out, everyone. Great chat! Feel free to connect #cdna have a great night! #lrnchat
09:27:09 pm SeanPutman1: Q5) Mentor new members into becoming active in the community if necessary #lrnchat
09:27:13 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator it’s a community in which the people who give get tired of those who only take #lrnchat
09:27:16 pm weisblatt: Q5) CommMgr feels the energy flow in the community and directs it towards what is needed. #lrnchat
09:27:30 pm edCetraT: Q5) Network. Open to introducing new theories, new technologies and getting feedback from the community #lrnchat
09:27:40 pm espencedalton: RT @JD_Dillon: A5) To listen to community members, take action to balance priorities and support shared goals/values. #lrnchat
09:28:04 pm urbie: @agilistine #lrnchat but communities sometimes have participants that move on right? you just don’t get pulled in by gravity and get trapped
09:28:14 pm AriAvivi: #lrnchat sorry im late. ari avivi director l&d sask Indian gaming auth. saskatoon sk
09:28:31 pm MMTingley: RT @edCetraT: Q5) Network. Open to introducing new theories, new technologies and getting feedback from the community #lrnchat
09:28:32 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth how do they even know? I don’t know who only lurks in #lrnchat but if those who give also get value, it’s rainbows, no?
09:28:40 pm dvdlindenberg: Q5) Community manager -someone who pushes the envelope of what the community stands for #lrnchat
09:28:41 pm agilistine: Q5) A CommMgr would keep the group running effectively. A Community Leader would focus on vision. One in the same? #lrnchat
09:28:43 pm jonpratt: @lrnchat Knowing the goal. Trust in collaborators to do their part(s). Accepting mistakes as part of the process. Persistence. #lrnchat
09:28:47 pm urbie: RT @lrnchat: Q5) What is a role of a community manager? #lrnchat
09:28:59 pm JD_Dillon: A5) Community leaders must assist new members and provide growth opportunities until they are settled. #lrnchat
09:29:14 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q5 is the community manager like that person that’s the mayor of some place in that social media thing?
09:29:15 pm tomspiglanin: re: lurking, I’ve heard some refer to situational lurking; but purpose is listening now to engage later. #lrnchat
09:29:21 pm Quinnovator: RT @mojotillett: Why Hiring People Who Annoy You Helps You Innovate http://t.co/4vAhKECI #lrnchat < added this in; seems relevant :)
09:29:28 pm JaneBozarth: BTW: my first #lrnchat mentor ever was @quinnovator, who kept reminding me to remember the hashtag ;-)
09:29:39 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q5 i like community facilitator better; manager and community sound yuck
09:30:09 pm dawnjmahoney: @urbie People who argue get something out that exp too/may be uncomfortable for some/but is their way, right? #Lrnchat
09:30:16 pm jkunrein: RT @edCetraT: Q5) Network. Open to introducing new theories, new technologies and getting feedback from the community #lrnchat
09:30:28 pm heikan2003: @JaneBozarth #lrnchat is it part of leadership?
09:30:30 pm dvdlindenberg: @agilistine can be #lrnchat
09:30:42 pm MMTingley: Can be RT @agilistine: Q5) CommMgr keeps the group running effectively. A Community Leader focuses on vision…the same? #lrnchat
09:31:01 pm briandusablon: RT @Quinnovator: RT @mojotillett: Why Hiring People Who Annoy You Helps You Innovate http://t.co/ek9hOr18 #lrnchat
09:31:02 pm jkunrein: I like community “gardener”, but can’t remember who I heard that from. @janebozarth, maybe? #lrnchat
09:31:05 pm weisblatt: Q5) “When the master’s work is done the people say, “Amazing! We did it ourselves”” -Tao the Ching #lrnchat
09:31:26 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @jkunrein: RT @edCetraT: Q5) Network.Open to introducing new theories, new technologies and getting feedback from the community #lrnchat
09:31:34 pm AriAvivi: #lrnchat q5 i think that the terms dont matter as much as the actions. labels are for those who have them not for those who follow them
09:31:37 pm weisblatt: RT @urbie: #lrnchat Q5 i like community facilitator better; manager and community sound yuck> Agree #lrnchat
09:31:47 pm JaneBozarth: be careful of overmanaging: too much oversight may give you a group, but not a community #lrnchat
09:31:48 pm edCetraT: Q5) community manager is not afraid of being thought provocative and pushing the community to think outside the box. #lrnchat
09:31:52 pm jkunrein: RT @briandusablon: RT @Quinnovator: RT @mojotillett: Why Hiring People Who Annoy You Helps You Innovate http://t.co/0A8eRhzm #lrnchat
09:31:54 pm Quinnovator: @jkunrein seed, feed, weed, and breed (latter courtesy of @Dave_Ferguson) http://t.co/EAGxIu8y #lrnchat
09:32:09 pm JaneBozarth: RT @urbie: #lrnchat Q5 i like community facilitator better; manager and community sound yuck
09:32:12 pm dvdlindenberg: @weisblatt awesome! bringing the Tao into lrnchat. :) #lrnchat
09:32:15 pm lrnchat: Q6) How do communities sustain or break down bad practices or beliefs? #lrnchat
09:32:18 pm briandusablon: Q5) Spread the word, show the value. Be an advocate. Recruit others to help grow the community. #lrnchat
09:32:19 pm Quinnovator: @JaneBozarth so glad you persisted! #lrnchat
09:32:24 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q6) How do communities sustain or break down bad practices or beliefs? #lrnchat
09:32:29 pm weisblatt: RT @AriAvivi: #lrnchat q5 labels are for those who have them not for those who follow them.> I like that! #lrnchat
09:32:33 pm AriAvivi: #lrnchat argument is healthy when it is argument about fact not about personality
09:32:35 pm joegerstandt: RT @briandusablon: RT @Quinnovator: RT @mojotillett: Why Hiring People Who Annoy You Helps You Innovate http://t.co/ek9hOr18 #lrnchat
09:32:49 pm Quinnovator: a6) with caring & persistence #lrnchat
09:32:50 pm criticallearner: RT @lrnchat: Q6) How do communities sustain or break down bad practices or beliefs? #lrnchat
09:32:53 pm criticallearner: RT @briandusablon: Q5) Spread the word, show the value. Be an advocate. Recruit others to help grow the community. #lrnchat
09:32:55 pm dawnjmahoney: RT @JaneBozarth: be careful of overmanaging: too much oversight may give you a group, but not a community #Lrnchat
09:32:55 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: Q6) How do communities sustain or break down bad practices or beliefs? #lrnchat
09:33:01 pm jkunrein: @AriAvivi Yes, but that’s not to say the terms don’t matter at all. #lrnchat
09:33:01 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q6) How do communities sustain or break down bad practices or beliefs? #lrnchat
09:33:07 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q6) How do communities sustain or break down bad practices or beliefs? #lrnchat
09:33:08 pm JaneBozarth: @jkunrein maybe but I wasn’t first. I like gardening metaphor (seeding, weeding, feeding) better than the ‘manager’ talk #lrnchat
09:33:13 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @briandusablon: Q5) Spread the word, show the value. Be an advocate. Recruit others to help grow the community. >Advocate -word #lrnchat
09:33:17 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q6) How do communities sustain or break down bad practices or beliefs? #lrnchat
09:33:35 pm Quinnovator: RT @AriAvivi: #lrnchat argument is healthy when it is argument about fact not about personality < focus on behavior/content, not person
09:33:48 pm jkunrein: @Quinnovator Thanks! (and thanks to @Dave_Ferguson! http://t.co/UHqWUxsA) #lrnchat
09:33:56 pm Quinnovator: a6) with love. Seriously. #lrnchat
09:34:01 pm heikan2003: RT @JaneBozarth: be careful of overmanaging: too much oversight may give you a group, but not a community #lrnchat
09:34:01 pm weisblatt: Q6) Communities are invested in their continued existence. If a bad idea is part of their identity…it stays. #lrnchat
09:34:05 pm JaneBozarth: @Quinnovator I think after that you told me about Tweetchat lol #ChangeTheEnvironmentNotThePerformer #lrnchat
09:34:12 pm JD_Dillon: A6) Communities that engage in continued learning/sharing can naturally deflect negative influences w/o direct intervention. #lrnchat
09:34:26 pm RoasterBoy: RT @weisblatt: Q5) “When the master’s work is done the people say, “Amazing! We did it ourselves”” -Tao the Ching #lrnchat
09:34:28 pm AriAvivi: #lrnchat q6 communities break down when ownership isn’t available to all not everyone has to own, but they have to believe they can
09:34:40 pm dawnjmahoney: A6) Do they have to? If so, why? #Lrnchat
09:34:45 pm jkunrein: RT @Quinnovator: a6) with love. Seriously. #lrnchat
09:34:55 pm edCetraT: RT @dvdlindenberg: RT @briandusablon: Q5)Spread the word, show the value. Be an advocate. Recruit others to help grow the community #lrnchat
09:35:00 pm urbie: RT @lrnchat: Q6) How do communities sustain or break down bad practices or beliefs? #lrnchat
09:35:16 pm Quinnovator: RT @JD_Dillon: A6) Communities that engage in continued learning/sharing naturally deflect negative influences #lrnchat
09:35:25 pm dvdlindenberg: Q6)sustain bad practices – box themselves into ‘we are only this, not that’ #lrnchat
09:35:33 pm SeanPutman1: RT @briandusablon: Q5) Spread the word, show the value. Be an advocate. Recruit others to help grow the community. #lrnchat
09:35:46 pm agilistine: RT @JaneBozarth: be careful of overmanaging: too much oversight may give you a group, but not a community #lrnchat
09:35:48 pm dawnjmahoney: A6) my point why have a community where everyone agrees? Where’s the interesting in that? #Lrnchat
09:35:49 pm KathyKitch: @Quinnovator a6) with love. Seriously. That has become obvious. #lrnchat
09:35:49 pm weisblatt: Q6) Need to offer an alternative that preserves the community without needing to hold on to myths #lrnchat
09:35:51 pm jkunrein: Q6) Same ways they sustain or break down good practices. It’s in what is rewarded by community members. #lrnchat
09:35:54 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q6 if communities are gatherings of people that can come and go whose development and contributions are voluntary can there be bad?
09:36:07 pm heikan2003: @KathyKitch #lrnchat slow lurk away and take time to reflect it is important
09:36:10 pm weisblatt: RT @jkunrein: RT @Quinnovator: a6) with love. Seriously. #lrnchat
09:36:25 pm edCetraT: Q6)community will break down if it’s selfish, closed. #lrnchat
09:36:32 pm JD_Dillon: A6) Communities that build silos are bound to sustain damaging assumptions due to lack of sharing. #lrnchat
09:36:38 pm Quinnovator: @jkunrein not claiming to be original, sure I heard it elsewhere first, just one touchpoint #lrnchat
09:37:02 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @edCetraT: Q6)community will break down if its selfish, closed. #lrnchat
09:37:35 pm jkunrein: @Quinnovator I just like that you said it. :) #lrnchat
09:37:43 pm weisblatt: Q6) Bad ideas like the dark. Cast some light on what is really going on and they shrivel up. #lrnchat
09:37:43 pm dawnjmahoney: MT@urbie Q6 if communities r gatherings of people that can come & go whose development/contributions r voluntary can there be bad? #Lrnchat
09:37:45 pm SeanPutman1: RT @edCetraT: Q6)community will break down if its selfish, closed. #lrnchat
09:38:12 pm AriAvivi: @dawnjmahoney #lrnchat what you describe is a cult of personality not a community. the conflict of divergent opinions brings innovation
09:38:57 pm urbie: @jkunrein #lrnchat does a community participant hang around for extrinsic rewards by gang or is there something intrinsic about belonging?
09:39:11 pm urbie: RT @AriAvivi: @dawnjmahoney #lrnchat what you describe is a cult of personality not a community. the conflict of divergent opinions bri …
09:39:20 pm KathyKitch: @weisblatt “Bad ideas like the dark.” Excellent comparison. #lrnchat
09:39:40 pm dawnjmahoney: Agree!RT @AriAviviwhat you describe is a cult of personality not a community. the conflict of divergent opinions brings innovation #Lrnchat
09:39:51 pm edCetraT: Q6) success is measured by the company you keep. open your network. share the knowledge #lrnchat
09:39:54 pm Quinnovator: RT @weisblatt: Q6) Bad ideas like the dark. Cast some light on what is really going on and they shrivel up. #lrnchat
09:39:55 pm weisblatt: Q6) Removing an existential problem is a delicate operation. #lrnchat
09:40:05 pm Quinnovator: RT @edCetraT: Q6) success is measured by the company you keep. open your network. share the knowledge #lrnchat
09:40:07 pm jkunrein: @urbie “by gang”? #lrnchat
09:40:32 pm Quinnovator: @weisblatt you’re on a roll tonite! #lrnchat
09:40:39 pm odguru: @culture_jammer – going to culture con next week? http://t.co/UVoT4c2b #lrnchat
09:40:51 pm SeanPutman1: RT @weisblatt: Q6) Bad ideas like the dark. Cast some light on what is really going on and they shrivel up. #lrnchat
09:40:54 pm weisblatt: RT @urbie: @jkunrein #lrnchat is there something intrinsic about belonging?> We are pack animals. #lrnchat
09:40:56 pm urbie: #lrnchat gang: other community participants. i’m trying to stay away from “member” as it means club (mallet?) to me..
09:41:10 pm weisblatt: RT @Quinnovator: RT @edCetraT: Q6) success is measured by the company you keep. open your network. share the knowledge #lrnchat
09:41:40 pm espencedalton: RT @JaneBozarth: be careful of overmanaging: too much oversight may give you a group, but not a community #lrnchat
09:41:59 pm weisblatt: @Quinnovator I had all this pent up lrnchatiness in me I guess. #lrnchat
09:42:15 pm heikan2003: RT @Quinnovator: RT @edCetraT: Q6) success is measured by the company you keep. open your network. share the knowledge #lrnchat
09:42:40 pm AriAvivi: #lrnchat off topic, but i see people retweeting me, but i don’t see my own posts, odd
09:42:50 pm Quinnovator: a6) it’s about values; if the community cares about what they’re doing, they’ll find a way #lrnchat
09:43:03 pm KathyKitch: @urbie gang: “other community participants” Yes, implies acceptance and open environment #lrnchat
09:43:08 pm criticallearner: Q6 #lrnchat> Success isn’t measured by what you take from the community, but what you leave for the community (inspired by @edCetraT)
09:43:09 pm meganbowe: RT @edCetraT: Q6)community will break down if it’s selfish, closed. #lrnchat
09:43:17 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @weisblatt: @Quinnovator I had all this pent up lrnchatiness in me I guess.> word of the week: lrnchatiness :) #lrnchat
09:43:17 pm lrnchat: Q7) Is all community interaction positive? Does community have a dark side? #lrnchat
09:43:17 pm dawnjmahoney: @weisblatt LOL! #Lrnchat
09:43:30 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: Q7) Is all community interaction positive? Does community have a dark side? #lrnchat
09:43:40 pm weisblatt: RT @Quinnovator: a6) its about values; if the community cares about what theyre doing, theyll find a way> That is the bottom line. #lrnchat
09:43:42 pm jkunrein: @urbie I think it’s usually both, to varying degrees depending on the situation. #lrnchat
09:43:45 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @lrnchat: Q7) Is all community interaction positive? Does community have a dark side? #lrnchat
09:43:48 pm criticallearner: RT @weisblatt: @Quinnovator I had all this pent up lrnchatiness in me I guess. #lrnchat – keep it up, gr8 stuff (I am sputtering)
09:43:53 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: Q7) Is all community interaction positive? Does community have a dark side? #lrnchat
09:44:01 pm agilistine: @weisblatt …or throw some water on the bad ideas #immelting #lrnchat
09:44:02 pm jkunrein: RT @lrnchat: Q7) Is all community interaction positive? Does community have a dark side? #lrnchat
09:44:04 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: Q7) Is all community interaction positive? Does community have a dark side? #lrnchat
09:44:05 pm KathyKitch: @AriAvivi Are you using Tweetchat? I learned here that’s the way to participate easier. #lrnchat
09:44:08 pm criticallearner: RT @lrnchat: Q7) Is all community interaction positive? Does community have a dark side? #lrnchat
09:44:08 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: Q7) Is all community interaction positive? Does community have a dark side? #lrnchat
09:44:24 pm urbie: RT @lrnchat: Q7) Is all community interaction positive? Does community have a dark side? #lrnchat
09:44:32 pm jkunrein: RT @meganbowe: RT @edCetraT: Q6)community will break down if its selfish, closed. #lrnchat
09:44:44 pm JD_Dillon: A7) Coming straight back to ‘Mean Girls,” all communities have their good and bad attributes. #lrnchat
09:44:45 pm Quinnovator: a7) communities could be formed around goals others might not like; could become cults #lrnchat
09:44:45 pm weisblatt: Q7) Community is just a state. Culture can have a dark side. Community just reinforces. #lrnchat
09:44:58 pm dvdlindenberg: Q7) Community interaction always has a dark side. We’re human. #lrnchat
09:45:08 pm JD_Dillon: A7) The hope is that the community continues to learn and evolve from both good and bad interaction. #lrnchat
09:45:09 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q7 it’s bad when community participants participate in the shadows. bring it out in the ambient light of day..
09:45:17 pm Quinnovator: RT @dvdlindenberg: Q7) Community interaction always has a dark side. We’re human. #lrnchat < I resemble that remark
09:45:25 pm criticallearner: #lrnchat Q7> Not all community interaction is positive. #FakeDevLearn wasn’t positive, or productive, but it was mucho fun.
09:45:46 pm SeanPutman1: Q7) If it is not positive why are you there? There are bad communities, but it seems to me they would fail rapidly #lrnchat
09:45:47 pm briandusablon: Q7) Everything has a dark side. #lrnchat
09:45:59 pm Quinnovator: RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat Q7> Not all community interaction is positive. #FakeDevLearn wasn’t positive or productive, but was mucho fun
09:46:07 pm edCetraT: Q7) when there’s a dark side…another community is born #lrnchat
09:46:15 pm heikan2003: RT @JD_Dillon: A7) Coming straight back to ‘Mean Girls,” all communities have their good and bad attributes. #lrnchat
09:46:21 pm dvdlindenberg: @Quinnovator well, you are a what is it? genial malcontent. :) #lrnchat
09:46:23 pm weisblatt: Q7) It is possible to manipulate the understanding of the community’s values and so create a toxic culture. #lrnchat
09:46:32 pm AriAvivi: #lrnchat interactions are just interactions. positive and negative are value judgements put on by others based on their value sets
09:46:39 pm jkunrein: Q7) Everything has a dark side. #lrnchat
09:46:53 pm JD_Dillon: A7) It just got very Star Wars up in the #lrnchat
09:46:55 pm jkunrein: @briandusablon GET OUT OF MY HEAD. #lrnchat
09:47:01 pm weisblatt: RT @Quinnovator: RT @criticallearner: I love #FakeDevLearn #lrnchat
09:47:05 pm criticallearner: Q7 #lrnchat> Community dark side doesn’t serve a purpose- sorta like duct tape.
09:47:09 pm espencedalton: Q7) dark side of community = clique and/or “this is the way we’ve always done it, so we’re gonna keep on” #lrnchat
09:47:09 pm JaneBozarth: Q7 Community groupthink can have a dark side, promote/support/perpetuate bad practice. #learningstyles #lrnchat
09:47:26 pm briandusablon: RT @JD_Dillon: A7) It just got very Star Wars up in the #lrnchat
09:47:30 pm dvdlindenberg: RT @JD_Dillon: A7) It just got very Star Wars up in the >Indeed #lrnchat
09:47:31 pm AriAvivi: #lrnchat anyone know why I cant see my own posts?
09:47:34 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q7 it’s like that other guy said, you gotta wanna belong to the community. communities commune. they argue, a good thing..
09:47:48 pm criticallearner: RT @edcetrat: Q7) when there’s a dark side…another community is born #lrnchat – that may be the benefit of it, gr8 insight!
09:47:49 pm briandusablon: @jkunrein jinx, you owe me a Dublin Dr. Pepper. #lrnchat
09:48:03 pm JaneBozarth: Q7 One thing to be supportive, another to fail to ever call out bad thinking/behavior #lrnchat
09:48:04 pm Quinnovator: @briandusablon “the Force is like duct tape, it has a dark side, a light side, and binds the universe together” #lrnchat #StarWarsReference
09:48:11 pm jkunrein: RT @JaneBozarth: Q7 Community groupthink can have a dark side, promote/support/perpetuate bad practice. #learningstyles #lrnchat
09:48:40 pm Quinnovator: RT @jkunrein: RT @JaneBozarth: Q7 Community groupthink can have dark side: promote/support/perpetuate bad practice #learningstyles #lrnchat
09:48:57 pm criticallearner: RT @janebozarth: Q7 One thing to be supportive, another to fail to ever call out bad thinking/behavior #lrnchat – just like bad parenting.
09:48:59 pm dvdlindenberg: Q7) So, is that where the community manager steps in and tries to encourage positivity or redirection or new growth? #lrnchat
09:48:59 pm theASIDEblog: Push students to be inventive in learning new things, playing w/ ideas, & creating ways make things. #lrnchat #design http://t.co/J74d0r1Y
09:49:03 pm AriAvivi: #lrnchat im always amazed at how todays ‘best practices’ become tomorrows worst methodology.
09:49:13 pm agilistine: Q7) Ask the expert: http://t.co/b2PrSmCz #lrnchat
09:49:15 pm SeanPutman1: RT @JaneBozarth: Q7 One thing to be supportive, another to fail to ever call out bad thinking/behavior #lrnchat
09:49:18 pm jkunrein: @briandusablon /drool Too bad you can get one easier than I can. #devlearn #justsayin #lrnchat
09:49:38 pm MMTingley: Q7) Community has a dark side when disagreement get personal. #lrnchat
09:49:42 pm weisblatt: Great article about the life cycle of institutions: http://t.co/sWbJEkVJ #lrnchat
09:49:54 pm weisblatt: RT @AriAvivi: #lrnchat im always amazed at how todays best practices become tomorrows worst methodology. #lrnchat
09:50:09 pm theASIDEblog: Sometimes a small change can make a huge difference, be creative. #lrnchat
09:51:04 pm agilistine: +1 RT @MMTingley Q7) Community has a dark side when disagreement get personal. #lrnchat
09:51:28 pm espencedalton: Q7) if you’re not with us you’re against it mentality #lrnchat
09:51:31 pm Quinnovator: @AriAvivi why I advocate for ‘best principles’ not best practice (http://t.co/l4tjXe7G) #lrnchat
09:51:57 pm dawnjmahoney: Hilarious! RT @JD_Dillon: A7) It just got very Star Wars up in the #Lrnchat
09:52:10 pm Quinnovator: RT @espencedalton: Q7) if you’re not with us you’re against it mentality #lrnchat < be careful talking like that! :)
09:52:21 pm weisblatt: RT @espencedalton: Q7) if youre not with us youre against it mentality> Yes, ideas like that kill all growth. #lrnchat
09:52:46 pm AriAvivi: @Quinnovator #lrnchat isn’t that just semantics?
09:52:55 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: Q7 One thing to be supportive, another to fail to ever call out bad thinking/behavior #lrnchat < so true
09:53:49 pm jkunrein: I think this is the first lrnchat I’ve done since my kids were born. Imma go hang w/ them now. Good to chat with you guys again! #lrnchat
09:53:53 pm Quinnovator: RT @AriAvivi: @Quinnovator #lrnchat isn’t that just semantics? < not in my mind: http://t.co/5vEAus5M
09:53:59 pm KathyKitch: @theASIDEblog “Sometimes a small change can make a huge difference, be creative.” It will change point of view just enough. #lrnchat
09:54:00 pm weisblatt: Q7) When the culture fears conflict, psychopaths take over. #lrnchat
09:54:19 pm lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:54:22 pm Quinnovator: RT @weisblatt: Q7) When the culture fears conflict, psychopaths take over. #lrnchat < sounds like business!
09:54:28 pm Quinnovator: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat < already?
09:54:33 pm briandusablon: Spot on > RT @JaneBozarth: Q7 One thing to be supportive, another to fail to ever call out bad thinking/behavior #lrnchat #lrnchat
09:54:39 pm jkunrein: Qwrap) Hey look, Episode 19 of #TheToolBar, w/ @elearningcoach: Design Outing. http://t.co/5pNl4pdv #lrnchat
09:54:40 pm AriAvivi: #lrnchat im gone catch up some other night
09:54:45 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @weisblatt: Q7) When the culture fears conflict, psychopaths take over. #lrnchat
09:54:46 pm urbie: #lrnchat Q7 bad behavior in another is so subjective; what to do?
09:54:54 pm weisblatt: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) Its that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:54:56 pm Quinnovator: thanks to new and returning #lrnchat participants for another great session!
09:54:59 pm ScienceEvolved: #edapp #edtech #education @Mayerjs #elearning #lrnchat #mlearning #teachers
09:55:05 pm criticallearner: @weisblatt Or it just doesn’t ignite the passion needed to move it forward #lrnchat
09:55:11 pm SeanPutman1: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) Its that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:55:19 pm criticallearner: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:55:24 pm JD_Dillon: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) Its that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:55:36 pm odguru: RT @Quinnovator: RT @weisblatt: Q7) When the culture fears conflict, psychopaths take over. #lrnchat < sounds like business!
09:55:46 pm urbie: RT @lrnchat: QWrap) It’s that time again. Please re-introduce yourself. (Shameless plugs welcome.) #lrnchat
09:55:53 pm criticallearner: RT @jkunrein: Qwrap) Hey look, Episode 19 of #TheToolBar, w/ @elearningcoach: Design Outing. http://t.co/WTFtG8oW #lrnchat
09:55:58 pm MountTantiss: #edapp #edtech #education @Mayerjs #elearning #lrnchat #mlearning #teachers
09:56:02 pm briandusablon: QWrap) Good stuff everyone. Thanks. Brian Dusablon, Learning Ninja, Co-Host of #TheToolBar. Love learning, teaching, playing. #lrnchat
09:56:15 pm urbie: #lrnchat qwrap urbie delgado, instructional designer, http://t.co/kUCfzXxB
09:56:18 pm eLearninCyclops: Jeff Goldman – eLearning Designer in Baltimore – in & out 2nite, but enjoyed #lrnchat
09:56:22 pm SeanPutman1: Thanks for a great chat, learned a lot! Sean from outside Detroit. Hope to see you all @ #devlearn #lrnchat
09:56:25 pm weisblatt: Gr8 chat everyone. It’s good to be back. Adam Weisblatt Learning Tech Strategist and eLearning specialist #lrnchat
09:56:31 pm dvdlindenberg: QWrap)David Lindenberg, Instructional Designer, Walkin’ the ID Path at http://t.co/96OCoFuZ >g’night all! #lrnchat
09:56:34 pm Quinnovator: Clark Quinn, community miscreant, speaking at PSS12, MobiLearnAsia, and DevLearn; hope to see you at one of them! #lrnchat
09:56:49 pm eLearninCyclops: RT @jkunrein: Qwrap) Hey look, Episode 19 of #TheToolBar, w/ @elearningcoach: Design Outing. http://t.co/x6rEqRpa #lrnchat
09:56:57 pm edCetraT: qwrap)g’night all. it was short but it was a good chat. sorry i missed the first part. Nancy Safar signing out. #lrnchat
09:57:06 pm Quinnovator: RT @jkunrein: Qwrap) Hey look, Episode 19 of #TheToolBar, w/ @elearningcoach: Design Outing. http://t.co/DfUBYFx4 #lrnchat
09:57:08 pm JD_Dillon: QWrap) JD from Orlando, hosting a webinar with @intrepidls ‘Commitment to Organizational Creativity’ http://t.co/pgBPgWiY #lrnchat
09:57:15 pm joegerstandt: RT @weisblatt: Q7) When the culture fears conflict, psychopaths take over. #lrnchat
09:57:20 pm espencedalton: QWrap) Elizabeth Dalton, Digital Curriculum Manager, thanks for inspiring ideas tonight #lrnchat
09:57:32 pm bookhling: RT @weisblatt: Q7) When the culture fears conflict, psychopaths take over. #lrnchat
09:57:54 pm dawnjmahoney: Qwrap) Dawn Mahoney tonight’s featured lurker. Also L&D Mgr who will always refuse to grow up. #Lrnchat
09:57:58 pm briandusablon: QWrap) Check out @emergentradio, @teamduce, @learningninjas. Life’s pretty damn good. It’s also short, make sure you enjoy it. #lrnchat
09:57:59 pm JD_Dillon: Thanks everyone, and may the force be with you! #lrnchat
09:58:04 pm dvdlindenberg: @Quinnovator Would love to meet you at DevLearn – gonna be my first time! :) #lrnchat
09:58:10 pm joegerstandt: RT @weisblatt: Great article about the life cycle of institutions: http://t.co/sWbJEkVJ #lrnchat
09:58:40 pm JaneBozarth: QWrap dissertation on understanding communities of practice by, oh look, me http://t.co/JYx0M1P7 #lrnchat
09:59:10 pm criticallearner: #lrnchat wrap> David Glow, Tampa. Be well. Join the #DevLearn Beardfest.
09:59:10 pm xpconcept: RT @jkunrein: Qwrap) Hey look, Episode 19 of #TheToolBar, w/ @elearningcoach: Design Outing. http://t.co/5pNl4pdv #lrnchat
09:59:19 pm Quinnovator: @dvdlindenberg introduce yourself, always happy to meet new friends (I’ll be relatively easy to find, if past history is any guide) #lrnchat
09:59:23 pm briandusablon: Fun show. RT @jkunrein: Qwrap) Hey look, Episode 19 of #TheToolBar, w/ @elearningcoach: Design Outing. http://t.co/FuNKO0Z2 #lrnchat
09:59:41 pm briandusablon: RT @JaneBozarth: QWrap dissertation on understanding communities of practice by, oh look, me http://t.co/YJvYD1Cu #lrnchat
09:59:49 pm KathyKitch: @dawnjmahoney tonight’s featured lurker. Also L&D Mgr who will always refuse to grow up.–My hero! Best Wishes All. #lrnchat
09:59:59 pm Quinnovator: RT @JaneBozarth: QWrap dissertation on understanding communities of practice by, oh look, me http://t.co/DuesPPNH #lrnchat
10:00:24 pm JaneBozarth: Next up #learninglive London next week, then ASTD Syracuse, #Learning3Point0 Chicago, #DevLearn Vegas, #WCET San Antonio #lrnchat
10:00:26 pm ngaio420: RT @weisblatt: Q7) When the culture fears conflict, psychopaths take over. #lrnchat
10:00:28 pm Quinnovator: RT @criticallearner: #lrnchat wrap> David Glow, Tampa. Be well. Join the #DevLearn Beardfest < oh, stop that! :)
10:00:38 pm agilistine: QWrap) Great chatting with you all! Drew in WV, Multimedia Director, may the force be with you #lrnchat
10:00:39 pm MMTingley: Qwrap) Melissa Tingley, Instructional Designer & shameless political junkie. Boston. @Quinnovator – you’ll be here soon or virtual? #lrnchat
10:01:19 pm lrnchat: Goodnight everyone. See you next week, August 30th, 8:30pm EST / 5:30pm PST, exploring the topic of “Experience Design” #lrnchat
10:01:27 pm Quinnovator: @MMTingley will be there live, that’s right ISPI talk next week as well as PSS12 #lrnchat
10:02:12 pm briandusablon: Qwrap) I’ll be at the USCGHPT workshop next week, and #DevLearn in November. Find me. Love to meet #Lrnchatters. #lrnchat
10:02:35 pm MMTingley: @Quinnovator Going to try to make it … #lrnchat
10:02:46 pm odguru: QWrap – alas, had unexpected events – looking forward to next one. #lrnchat
10:03:11 pm briandusablon: @JaneBozarth So, basically, you’re not busy. #lrnchat

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